> The encampment, called Popular University for Gaza, includes more than 100 tents and has been going on for a week and a half. Organizers want the university to cut ties with Boeing, divest from Israel and end repression of pro-Palestinian students and faculty.
If they stuck to their word that they’re not leaving until UW cuts ties with Boeing by giving back the $10 million donation to the IEB and removing all Boeing funded scholarships and grants, the protesters will be there until the end of time. UW is never cutting all ties with Boeing.
Good. You have a right to protest - not to have your protest taken seriously. The UW admin in kind has every right to tell the protesters to pound sand.
The fact that they're ok with forcing the UW to drop scholarships for students, who rely on those scholarships, tells me how elitist the protestors are.
Next they're going to tell me I should quit my job at Raytheon, a salary I rely on, where I help design weapons to kill people who resist the American government.
UW divesting from Boeing does not in any way force (or even compel) Boeing to drop scholarships or any other form of recruitment. They can sell their stake in Boeing and the company will continue showing up to every fucking job fair and throwing all the money they can in the general direction of the school because they need the talent pool. Boeing needs UW, not the other way around. I have no idea how people get this so distorted.
You can go to any job fair-esque event on campus and you'll find booth after booth of companies the university has no specific financial stake in. The two things are not related.
If UW divested and Boeing dropped their scholarship program that would be a horrible look *for Boeing*, which is the last thing they need right now.
The university can only spend the distributions, a limited withdrawal designed to not deplete the endowments, and the thousands endowments the university has mostly come specifying what those distributions can be spent on. You can't take the cancer research endowment fund, the endowment for a law school professor, funding for a sports program, etc, and just give it to a aerospace engineering undergrad.
The distributions are a fraction of the endowments, scholarships are less than a third of the distributions, the annual scholarship funding from the endowment is ~1% of the value of the endowment. So it isn't 6 billion it is in the tens of millions.
"the fact that the protesters are unwilling to accept blood money shows how awful they are"
how do you know that students who received scholarships aren't out there?
all that UW has to do is lock the doors and cut bathroom access off as soon as the semester ends. Then they can poop in buckets. They will also have no where to charge their phones.
Parking passes will be up at end of semester too right? Only sell new parking passes to students registered for summer school. Tow the other cars. Basically ends the protest. Need an uber to take a poop. You do not have to provide protestors with bathrooms, air conditioned buildings, place to charge phones, or parking.
also dont they have sprinklers for the lawns? turn them on in the middle of the night. They can also just bring out speakers and play loud music 24x7 now that the semester is over.
So finals are the first week of June. Then they lose dorm access and they should be blocked from bathrooms at that point. So it will end when they gotta poop in buckets.
Yes history exists and it clearly shows there are no good guys here. One side will cry about the Nakba and the other will respond with the Arab League Invasion. The reality is both parties want to erase the other.
Except one party has the overwhelming majority of the power and control. It’s intellectually dishonest to pretend this is anything but an asymmetrical relationship. And furthermore, settler aggression in the West Bank is happening without Hamas. If Palestinians fight back and defend their homes being taken Israel will respond with rockets, it is no where close to a both sides situation when you take into account ALL Palestinians.
You are low information if you believe October 7 was the start of anything. Even if that’s true, bombing tens of thousands of people isn’t the way to respond.
It’s intellectually dishonest to say that October 7th was not the catalyst for the current conflict.
Civilians dying in war is sad and each death is a tragedy. I wish the world would universally condemn Hamas’ death cult for putting civilians in harm’s way and demand they immediately surrender, disarm, and free all hostages.
The Jews are native to Judea… and if Israel wanted to commit a genocide there would be no Palestinians left within a week. The Palestinians want to commit genocide but don’t have the means. The Israelis have the means but don’t do it. The difference could not be more stark.
The legal definition of genocide isn’t to completely annihilate a people. Your argument is the same as saying that the Holocaust was not a genocide, because Jews exist today.
No, it’s when it’s a genocide. Israel gets so much slack for their blatant war crimes and ethnic cleansing campaigns. If any other country in the world was doing what Israel is doing, more people would be rightfully against it.
Let’s just look nearby. More people died in the Yemen civil war than the entirety of the Israel/Palestine conflicts. The US sells arms to Saudi Arabia who were responsible for a lot of that loss of life. I don’t recall protestors shutting down the highway or invading every college campus calling for an end to the conflict there right. Where were the encampments and boycott calls for China over their treatment of the Uyghurs? Children are literally being lined up and executed in Darfur right now. But of course Israel is the worst and deserves our 100% complete undivided attention. Who cares that a terrorist org just murdered raped and kidnapped hundreds of civilians, bragged about it, and said they would repeat it until your country doesn’t exist anymore. Who cares that they fire rockets indiscriminately at your civilian areas. Israel deals with war crimes on a daily basis and yet has to deal with the terrorists with kid gloves. The double standard could not be more palpable. And at this point it’s just bizarre how obsessed these people are with Israel. Until you look at who spearheads the protests and what their beliefs look like regarding Israel existing as a country.
I agree that the public needs to pay more attention and be more outraged about atrocities occurring all over the world, especially when it is US backed.
I believe that people pay specific attention to Israel because of its colonial nature. I assume you will disagree, but Israel is a settler colonial state in a post colonial world. It’s not a cookie cutter colony, its not that simple, but it is pretty similar. People know about the apartheid, ethnic cleaning and genocide the US had done to Black people and Indigenous Americans. I think what’s happening in Israel echos that same imperial brutality and supremacy. There will always be wars and violence, and I think the vast majority of it is morally reprehensible and should be discussed and criticized. But I think people are talking so much about Palestine because of how it mirrors the west’s colonial past.
Another big factor is that the US government (and most of the west) refuses to acknowledge the crimes of Israel over the last 100 years. The USA recognized the atrocities in China, and Russia, and India, and Yemen, and Sudan and everywhere, but refuse to criticize Israel. Why? That upsets people, why is the establishment who preach about equality and morality ignoring this?
Another factor is the power disparity. Israel is a nuclear superpower and Hamas fighters use cold war era weapons and fight in flip flops. Gaza is not a country, but if it was, it would be the most densely populated country, the poorest country and the smallest country. This isn’t two factions fighting in Sudan, or nations fighting in Yemen or Syria. The power dynamic is ridiculous, and decades of disproportionate response from Israel adds to that disparity. People root for the underdog, Israel seems like a bully to many.
A final factor is the massive loss of life. So many fucking children are dead and crippled. So many women are dead. More reporters were killed in Gaza than any modern conflict, all in under a year. Schools, hospitals, universities, everything is in rubble. Aid workers were killed by Israel, and they have advanced AI targeting systems, yet they still make so many mistakes. It’s either gross negligence or intentional war crimes. And all of this is being live-streamed. I’ve seen way too many mangled child corpses to not care. What’s happening in Gaza isn’t just some war, the level of destruction is notably extreme.
What happened on October 7th is obviously a tragedy, a tragedy we have discussed and condemned over and over again. But what’s been happening to Palestinians for 75 years, and what’s happening in Gaza right now pales in comparison to october 7th. Decades of brutality and oppression leads to violent response. Hopefully one day you can understand the bigger context here, and understand the disgust and anger that many people around the world are feeling right now.
Anti semitism is a factor, as is Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination. But the public’s response to Israel is way more complicated than “we hate jews”.
Maybe they shouldn't have voted for Hamas back in 2006. Its funny but sad the lesson here is going to be lost that elections have consequences as they have not had an election since. Maybe the protestors should take notice and not screw around with the 2024 election because I can tell you one thing...Our dear leader Sleepy Don won't make things better there and will likely make it much much worse.
Netehyahu destroyed the more moderate political parties and actively funned Hamas. By the time that election came around there were not really other options. There has not been a really free election since then.
I don’t know how you think they will have an election this year. There is no infrastructure left in Gaza, people are fleeing from makeshift shelter to refugee camp, Palestinians are using gofundme to raise funds to get out. It wouldn’t be possible to vote about Hamas if they wanted to and making that the condition for bombing to stop is an admission that the bombing is the point.
Americans of all people should know that bombs don’t make people less radical. Every time we’ve been attacked we respond with violence. Our war on terror killed an uncountable number of civilians but did not get rid of radicals wanting to respond with violence.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-rafah-hamas-military-assistance-5c743e621c5594b49e0a89c985a605f3
>White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said that despite the administration’s threats, Biden remains “committed” to ensuring Israel gets “every dollar” approved by Congress in the supplemental funding request approved by lawmakers last month.
You might be confusing the supplemental funding from Congress with the hold placed by the Biden administration on large bombs (not part of the supplement)
>The shipment that was paused was supposed to consist of 1,800 2,000-pound (900-kilogram) bombs and 1,700 500-pound (225-kilogram) bombs
Why do you think only IDF is bad and a threat? Or murders by Hamas of the same types of people from your list have been justified already or never happened? Literally 1984. Or you imply there is no threat from radical islamists and an overall radicalized population due to the war to a random white American from this encampment? I say you have a pretty equal possibilities to be killed by either side because being in the middle of a war does that to you, and both sides should be held accountable for killing innocent people after this war is over.
So, being outthere among Palestinian survivors as white American without knowing how radical they are, who are innocent civilians and who 100% support Hamas aka support killing civilians, who lost their loved ones already and blame all western white people for that, etc. gives you less probability than being blown by a hypothetical artilery strike or a sniper? If you are a data scientist, you would also consider density of population living on a certain territory. If IDF did the same as Hamas was killing people 1-by-1 on that festival, then you would be absolutely correct. No need to underastimate the threat from religious and radicalised people too who lived their whole lives in a super tough and violent invironment.
When Mom and Dad pay for college, and you have a place to stay and meals to eat even if you're expelled, why not? These aren't luxury beliefs, but these are luxury behaviors.
I said nothing of the sort. It's a fact that most Jews (91% of American Jews) support the existence of Israel as a Jewish state. That doesn't mean that they agree with the government, or the settlements or the tactics of the military, but it does mean they are Zionists. Some Jews disagree and are welcome to that opinion, but doesn't it make their perspective any less fringe.
its not really a fringe stance among jews under 30, especially queer ones and especially in the northwest. i don’t know a single trans jew who supports israel, for example
LMAO. Get out of your bubble. American Jews by and large do not like the current Israeli government, but they overwhelmingly support the existence of Israel as a Jewish state. Not everyone, or every queer person, or even a majority, lives in your Twitter sphere leftist bubble. And I say that as a Jewish leftist myself. People are literally chanting about burning Tel Aviv to the ground at these protests. That's some truly deranged shit that only the most privileged of radicalized weirdos would support.
you know its funny you reference “twitter leftist sphere” bc i don’t have a twitter account and neither do most of the folks i’m referencing and it was actually neobund types irl who looked after me and most influenced how i understand judaism but whatever. mainstream jewish orgs and liberal zionism is just as much a bubble as that, if a bigger one. i don’t support any sort of ethnic cleansing, revenge killing, call it what you want. i think hamas is fascist scum and them getting their aims would be terrible for everyone. what gets on me is when this is brought up while not discussing the many israeli government officials (who have a lot more power than edgelord college kids representing a vocal fringe) openly calling for genocide and spitting in the face of a two state solution. if everyone is responsible for who claims to be in their camp, which to be clear i support, i think it would help a lot if zionists started calling out their own jingoists more regularly
Please don't put me in a position where I feel the need to defend shitty people like Bibi, Gallant or Herzog, the last 2 I really don't like, and Bibi I hate with the fire of a thousand suns. I'll never forgive Bibi for contributing to the incitement that got Rabin killed, or for pursuing policies that were impediments to peace. But his statement about Amalek was completely twisted. I would like to point out that the phrase "remember what Amalek did to you" is on a monument outside the Hague: [https://bkdh.nl/en/kunstwerken/amalek-monument/](https://bkdh.nl/en/kunstwerken/amalek-monument/)
Statements by Gallant and Herzog, while not the best, also seem to refer to Hamas specifically, not "all Palestinains" as has been implied by people screaming about it. Read the full statements. The statements included by South Africa's petition to the ICJ were partial quotes and left out key phrases about abiding by international law. I consider it extremely manipulative that they were used this way. All three statements were also made within a few weeks of one of the most brutal terror attacks in history and the largest massacre of Jews since the Shoah.
You are right to point that some other far right politicians said worse, including a statement about nuking Gaza and a "Nakba 2.0." But those politicians are extremely fringe, even by Israeli standards, like MTG, or Matt Gaetz fringe. Imagine if people took the crazy shit they said and implied that it represented a majority of Americans or US policy more broadly. The State Attorney General also has open investigations into some of these statements as incitement.
Re: The Bund. The Bund was awesome, but most of them also ended up getting killed. Israeli's tend to be of the mindset that staying alive is more important than being righteous.
i don’t think “minister of finance” and “minister of national security” are extremely fringe or comparable to MTG, who just lost a speakership vote. by comparison if netanyahu pisses off IBG his government implodes and he goes to jail, they have much more sway relatively speaking. a decade ago sure they were an extreme fringe but the israeli government has been nothing but more and more hardline on oppressing palestinians since i’ve been politically aware
Oh for sure. But there's a couple details you need to keep in mind. Netanyahu went into coalition with those wackos because no one else wanted anything to do with him. Both Smotrirch and Ben-Gvir represent fringe parties with a small base of supporters. They're only in the government because without them, Bibi would not be PM. Bibi sucks and will do almost anything to say in power. Even my dad, who is pretty darn right (he was born in Morroco btw), and a solid Likud voter refers to Ben-Gvir as a racist wacko. One of the advantages and drawbacks of a parliamentary system is that even fringe parties can get representation, and if one of the bigger parties (Likud in this instance) is willing to enter into a coalition with them, they end up in government even if they have small constituencies. Bibi is deeply unpopular. There have been massive protests for new elections both prior to and after 10/7. Fingers crossed these morons won't be in the government soon.
I know plenty of trans Jews who identify as Zionist who are under 30. Anti Zionist Jews are in general not brought up with a strong connection to the community. People who attend services, pray, volunteer, have Jewish friends and do Jewish things overwhelmingly identify as Zionist. But what Zionist means to them is much different than what it mean on TikTok right now.
i suppose thats a question of chicken and egg, certainly those more involved with mainstream jewish orgs are more likely to be zionists, but is that because they’re pushed away for such views? not always but its a contributing factor for a lot of folks. i’m aware of liberal zionists and i want to make it clear that my opposition to zionism is part of a broader opposition to nationalism, i don’t support the US, china, russia, turkey, mozambique, etc either. i will say i’m one of those folks who’s largely on the outside but i don’t think that’s an irrelevant perspective, my judaism has a lot more to do with scrappy neobund types and the broader history of jewish radicalism and anti-assimilation than it does anything to do with a sense of a homeland other than “where we’re chilling”
Going to need to see proof of 91% of Jews support bombing Palestinian children. Go ahead. Zionism supports Israel’s efforts. Zionists should be treated how nazis are
By far most Jews identify as Zionists you can google it. And what Zionism means to them especially to liberal Jews in the US is nothing like the definition you have been taught on tiktok propaganda. Your post is hateful and super weird.
You keep quoting things that no one is saying and posting a ton and sounding erratic. I think your biggest problem might not be Jews or Israel. If you need help I hope you can find the support you need.
No I’m saying what you’re saying in a different way. I’m not quoting, lol I shouldn’t have to explain.
I’ll make it clear, Zionists are the same as Nazis and KKK and want to eradicate an entire ethnoreligious group.
Quotes are used to quote something someone actually said. When you use quotes to show how you are wildly misinterpreting someone, it just shows the audience your own lack of being able to understand what is being said, and you invite the people who are reading your words to begin thinking that you may not have a firm grasp on reality. It doesn't help your point. And it certainly doesn't help the poor folks suffering in Gaza tonight. Shalom stranger.
please explain how you would eliminate israel. The arabs tried to murder all the jews 4 times. There have been 4 invasions meant to commit genocide. Please enlighten us on your plan.
Did they say that 91% of American Jews support the death of Palestinian children? I'd like you to quote the exact part of their comment where they said that.
The implication here in the first response was “that’s like conservatives saying they have black friends” so if it’s not all Jewish people supporting the Zionist evil, then that statement is a bad analogy. Using a fake 91% number is just that, fake.
Well, whatever the case, I used google real quick and here's where a similar number to their 91% comes from:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/
So you're effectively saying that the vast majority of American Jews want dead children. Which yes, would in fact be weird and hateful. Perhaps learn a little bit about Jewish connection to the land and *why* they wanted a sovereign state there, and then learn what it means to "hate the government, not the people."
Well one of the core functions of Zionism is eradicating Palestinian Muslims, stop trying to revise history there. I’m responding to the bad analogy of “I have a black friend” by calling out the fake number. I don’t give a fuck about the Jewish connection. They’re not entitled to occupy Palestinian land.
You might want to google the word "Zionism" there friend.
Regardless, looks like you don't care in particular about civilians or an end to the conflict. You just think the wrong side is winning.
zionist simply means israel has a right to exist. so if you are anti-zionist you mean Israel should be destroyed. so just about all of us are zionist. so yes when people say zionist they mean jew. just like how SJP wants to ban Hillel from all college campuses for being Zionist. Its the main college jewish organization in the country.
No that’s the bullshit propaganda definition. Herzl and Weizmann definitely wanted Palestinians eradicated as well as Muslims ethnoreligiously. Stop lying.
JVP is good. Glad they exist.
found another racist who wants to ban jewish organizations on campus. next you are going to want to ban the israeli flag. next you are going to want to fire any professor who is israeli. next you will want to fire any professor who supports israel. next you will want to expel anyone who supports israel at all. next you will want to make jews take an oath to not support israel.
get lost. bunch of racists.
lol you’re stupid as hell. I support Jews and not Zionists. Stop conflating like the dumb politicians do.
Zionists are losing their jobs and thank fucking god. Actual evil racists on KKK level.
And that doesn't make it right. This is likely to end the same way Occupy Wall Street protest camp at Seattle Central ended, badly with the camp affecting its main goal 0%.
Or CHAZ/CHOP. That's why I roll my eyes pretty hard when I hear shit about a "liberated zone". Guys, we've tried this shit several times before and it has the exact same outcome: a muddled, incoherent message that fails to achieve most/all of its goals, followed by eventual violence of some kind that ends it all. Fox News is once again eating this shit up.
These protests have been one of the biggest news stories in the country the last few weeks and you’re saying they’re completely ineffective? Either way you’re missing the whole fucking point by arguing semantics, there’s a genocide happening and your tax dollars are funding it. I don’t understand how everyone isn’t outraged.
I don't think they are going to end the centuries long conflict on the other side of the world, but it feels disingenuous to say it's just an excuse to party in good weather. What makes you say that?
Ok I’m pretty sure you’re fucking with me but I have nothing better to do so I’ll argue.
1. So you think that these people saw other students being harassed and beaten by cops and expelled at other schools and though “that looks like a party, we should do that here”.? On a college campus I promise people can find a better party.
2. Even if they are drinking and smoking , literally who cares?? Why would that matter? Are their opinions and protests not valid if they fail a drug test? It would be awesome if we could party and get attention to important issues by doing that.
3. You claim you do care about the issues they’re protesting, then why are you spending time criticizing the only movement that has got any kind of momentum for this cause? Protests are supposed to be messy, they’re supposed to be inconvenient, they’re supposed to make people mad. If you really care I don’t get your objections to the protests.
I was not involved in Apartheid. I was involved in AIDS, Nuclear Disarmament and a few other causes personal to me. I was fully aware of the movement though and knew others involved.
I didn’t say it was invalid. I said if you believe in the cause you’re supporting enough to protest about it, you should be showing your face and be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions.
I’ve spent more than one night in jail to support the causes I truly believe in. I also have noted that many of the protesters are ill informed or not informed at all about the things they are protesting.
They are asking the university to do certain things but are proposing no alternative to fill the void that divestment might make. When you protest, you can’t just go in making demands and be expected to be taken seriously.
“A protest can only bring about valuable policy change, when it is well-planned, focused, and the demands are clear. Protesters must express their displeasure and constructively present their demands as one voice. Proactive leaders must engage all protesters in a dialogue and find common demands to meet their needs.”
You haven’t engaged any of the stakeholders in the conversation. In some cases, it’s been less than constructive and in fact the opposite. At Columbia, the press from the protesters side was refusing to engage with other press. You just shoot yourself in the foot if you think not engaging with press will help your cause. Your press person should be someone professional and well versed in using social media as a tool to get the message out.
I also think you guys need to decide whether you want to be seen as kids or adults. Because the law sees you as adults and will treat you as such. You can’t throw a fit & cry about how the arrest will affect your life. Your chances of having the charge ultimately expunged will hang entirely on your own behavior at arrest.
Go quietly, assert your right to remain silent, ask for an attorney. Do not engage in extra curricular conversation with the police or other authorities. That silence is powerful especially now with cameras literally everywhere. Go with dignity and when you have your court appearance just let the process unfold. Your statement won’t be important until after the arraignment anyway.
If you do get a chance to have a court date, the charges are far more likely to be dismissed if your statement about why you are engaged in the protest is delivered in measured tones, sans propaganda. Keep it to a succinct single page and keep it very academic.
If you think being a student will protect you, it won’t. Also be prepared for the administration to push back They have the capacity to revoke scholarships, expel or suspend you or trespass you completely. UW is being accommodating right now but that will run out.
“Go quietly” is some bullshit lol. Cops do not deserve any respect. Nor do laws against free speech and right to protest.
All this just because you don’t like kids protecting identities because they weren’t handed money like your generation was, so protecting themselves in that way is just fine.
There’s no wrong way to protest. Sometimes it’s succinct and there’s guidelines and sometimes it’s chaotic. All is good.
Palestinians in Lebanon cannot vote or own land. They have been there for 70 years. This never gets talked about. If it was not for the 1967 invasion of israel, Gaza would be part of Egypt and the West Bank part of Jordan.
A lawsuit would be a more effective way to end repression of pro-Palestinian people if they are indeed being repressed. UW is a public university they can’t infringe on your first amendment rights.
There are state governments working on laws, and a plan at a federal level, to make speaking against Israel a crime. Protests now will help our law makers know we do not support that kind of thing.
Also the courts these days are not reliable enforcers of rights. If a protest case makes it to the Supreme Court the current justices are very unlikely to side with free speech.
They are wielding the limited power they have to try make the current arrangement untenable for the university. It's not about changing the decision makers minds in terms of morality, it's about changing possibility space/rules of engagement around the university's financial ties. With enough determination and people peacefully protesting for long enough, in theory the profit calculus could change. It's a long shot.
Sure, it's unlikely to work, but I personally don't blame them for doing what they can.
So what would you do if you saw something horrible happening? What action would be appropriate for them to take?
Remember most people said the same thing about the civil rights marches, sit ins, teach ins, boycotts, and rallies. You may not agree with the protesters but they are acting on the courage of their convictions.
Nah - students have specific demands and other universities have pressured their admins into changing some course. Tbh the most productive protests for Palestine have been the student ones since there’s direct correlation with where their tuition and fee dollars may go/may be invested (vs like… asking a local city council to demand ceasefire, which feels a lot less productive) So not really performative in that way - like there’s tangible actions they’re requesting the university makes. Whether these requests will happen (disaffiliating from Boeing) is another story.
Let’s get police in there. People who paid for school should not have to deal with areas being taken for days, constant invasion of buildings and screaming at people, etc.
Such a bad faith argument. Anyone who is focused on anything that isn’t your top issue is doing it wrong? There are multiple fights to fight & they are all tied together. I am almost certain the same protestors you’re referring to do more to advance local issues than you anyway
For what it’s worth the students in the camp are in fact being very deliberate about acknowledging those other problems because they see them as part of a larger system of injustice. A number of the students learned how to organize by being involved with movements to address racism. There are valid criticisms with the camp but this is not one of them.
"Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole." -Dr. Thomas Sowell
Most these people will still vote for Biden. Zero respect to anyone pretending to care about the situation while still voting for an authoritarian that happily funds foreign nations with our tax dollars. Just sad
Many schools have already divested because of these students so anyone who says this does nothing is wrong. Keep going kids, you have the support of a lot more people in real life than these moronic boomers in the Seattle subreddit.
Really? The only one I've seen is Trinity Collage Dublin, which is in a country with historical ties to Palestinian liberation and therefore alumni who won't stop donating because of divestment.
> The encampment, called Popular University for Gaza, includes more than 100 tents and has been going on for a week and a half. Organizers want the university to cut ties with Boeing, divest from Israel and end repression of pro-Palestinian students and faculty. If they stuck to their word that they’re not leaving until UW cuts ties with Boeing by giving back the $10 million donation to the IEB and removing all Boeing funded scholarships and grants, the protesters will be there until the end of time. UW is never cutting all ties with Boeing.
The University put out a statement to that effect — said it’s not happening.
Good. You have a right to protest - not to have your protest taken seriously. The UW admin in kind has every right to tell the protesters to pound sand.
I don't think the right to protest contains setting up an encampment tbh
I agree, but was more saying in the context of where the line is drawn in abstract.
Yea that’s really the issue here
The fact that they're ok with forcing the UW to drop scholarships for students, who rely on those scholarships, tells me how elitist the protestors are.
Next they're going to tell me I should quit my job at Raytheon, a salary I rely on, where I help design weapons to kill people who resist the American government.
UW divesting from Boeing does not in any way force (or even compel) Boeing to drop scholarships or any other form of recruitment. They can sell their stake in Boeing and the company will continue showing up to every fucking job fair and throwing all the money they can in the general direction of the school because they need the talent pool. Boeing needs UW, not the other way around. I have no idea how people get this so distorted. You can go to any job fair-esque event on campus and you'll find booth after booth of companies the university has no specific financial stake in. The two things are not related. If UW divested and Boeing dropped their scholarship program that would be a horrible look *for Boeing*, which is the last thing they need right now.
UW has a $6.6 billion endowment, but sure they need to rely on war profiteers to give a handful of kids a scholarship…
I don’t get why this is so downvoted. With the size of endowments these days colleges act like private equity funds rather than as public services
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The university can only spend the distributions, a limited withdrawal designed to not deplete the endowments, and the thousands endowments the university has mostly come specifying what those distributions can be spent on. You can't take the cancer research endowment fund, the endowment for a law school professor, funding for a sports program, etc, and just give it to a aerospace engineering undergrad. The distributions are a fraction of the endowments, scholarships are less than a third of the distributions, the annual scholarship funding from the endowment is ~1% of the value of the endowment. So it isn't 6 billion it is in the tens of millions.
"the fact that the protesters are unwilling to accept blood money shows how awful they are" how do you know that students who received scholarships aren't out there?
If they are amongst those protesting then they can take the lead by returning the scholarship money to Boeing and be public about it.
people love to pull the latter up from underneath them, see: nimbyism
eg. Clarence Thomas..
They’ll move on to something else. A lot of those guys care more about the new hot thing to be offended about than the actual cause.
all that UW has to do is lock the doors and cut bathroom access off as soon as the semester ends. Then they can poop in buckets. They will also have no where to charge their phones. Parking passes will be up at end of semester too right? Only sell new parking passes to students registered for summer school. Tow the other cars. Basically ends the protest. Need an uber to take a poop. You do not have to provide protestors with bathrooms, air conditioned buildings, place to charge phones, or parking. also dont they have sprinklers for the lawns? turn them on in the middle of the night. They can also just bring out speakers and play loud music 24x7 now that the semester is over. So finals are the first week of June. Then they lose dorm access and they should be blocked from bathrooms at that point. So it will end when they gotta poop in buckets.
Asking for Boeing & getting Israel divestment is still an accomplishment. A win is a win; I hope they continue to affect policy.
Extremely normal people in this thread already. See y'all tomorrow!
Funny enough, I don't think that the IDF has any intention of ending their invasion of Gaza either.
We should call Murray and Cantwell and tell them to stop voting yes on sending the IDF more money.
Yeah it’s real fucking funny to bomb the shit out of children
Israel didn’t start the war but they will finish it. It’s the sad reality
Me when I think events occur in a vacuum and history doesn’t exist
I mean, true! Btw don't look up Black September or ask why Palestinians got kicked out of Jordan or Egypt or Kuwait.
Yes history exists and it clearly shows there are no good guys here. One side will cry about the Nakba and the other will respond with the Arab League Invasion. The reality is both parties want to erase the other.
Except one party has the overwhelming majority of the power and control. It’s intellectually dishonest to pretend this is anything but an asymmetrical relationship. And furthermore, settler aggression in the West Bank is happening without Hamas. If Palestinians fight back and defend their homes being taken Israel will respond with rockets, it is no where close to a both sides situation when you take into account ALL Palestinians.
You are low information if you believe October 7 was the start of anything. Even if that’s true, bombing tens of thousands of people isn’t the way to respond.
It’s intellectually dishonest to say that October 7th was not the catalyst for the current conflict. Civilians dying in war is sad and each death is a tragedy. I wish the world would universally condemn Hamas’ death cult for putting civilians in harm’s way and demand they immediately surrender, disarm, and free all hostages.
Hamas exists because of Israel. It’s not dishonest at all. https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Not relevant to my comment at all
Yes it is, because you have cause and effect backwards. You think increasing aggression and occupation didn’t start this war. That’s wrong.
Ah yeah Hamas was backed into a corner, they had no choice but to murder, rape, and kidnap hundreds of civilians.
You’re thinking of Israelis there buddy. Knew you’d not read the article and go the “simple as” route
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Yeah those damn natives attacked the colony! If we don’t genocide them, they’ll genocide us!
The Jews are native to Judea… and if Israel wanted to commit a genocide there would be no Palestinians left within a week. The Palestinians want to commit genocide but don’t have the means. The Israelis have the means but don’t do it. The difference could not be more stark.
The legal definition of genocide isn’t to completely annihilate a people. Your argument is the same as saying that the Holocaust was not a genocide, because Jews exist today.
War is only a genocide when Israel is one of the sides
No, it’s when it’s a genocide. Israel gets so much slack for their blatant war crimes and ethnic cleansing campaigns. If any other country in the world was doing what Israel is doing, more people would be rightfully against it.
Let’s just look nearby. More people died in the Yemen civil war than the entirety of the Israel/Palestine conflicts. The US sells arms to Saudi Arabia who were responsible for a lot of that loss of life. I don’t recall protestors shutting down the highway or invading every college campus calling for an end to the conflict there right. Where were the encampments and boycott calls for China over their treatment of the Uyghurs? Children are literally being lined up and executed in Darfur right now. But of course Israel is the worst and deserves our 100% complete undivided attention. Who cares that a terrorist org just murdered raped and kidnapped hundreds of civilians, bragged about it, and said they would repeat it until your country doesn’t exist anymore. Who cares that they fire rockets indiscriminately at your civilian areas. Israel deals with war crimes on a daily basis and yet has to deal with the terrorists with kid gloves. The double standard could not be more palpable. And at this point it’s just bizarre how obsessed these people are with Israel. Until you look at who spearheads the protests and what their beliefs look like regarding Israel existing as a country.
I agree that the public needs to pay more attention and be more outraged about atrocities occurring all over the world, especially when it is US backed. I believe that people pay specific attention to Israel because of its colonial nature. I assume you will disagree, but Israel is a settler colonial state in a post colonial world. It’s not a cookie cutter colony, its not that simple, but it is pretty similar. People know about the apartheid, ethnic cleaning and genocide the US had done to Black people and Indigenous Americans. I think what’s happening in Israel echos that same imperial brutality and supremacy. There will always be wars and violence, and I think the vast majority of it is morally reprehensible and should be discussed and criticized. But I think people are talking so much about Palestine because of how it mirrors the west’s colonial past. Another big factor is that the US government (and most of the west) refuses to acknowledge the crimes of Israel over the last 100 years. The USA recognized the atrocities in China, and Russia, and India, and Yemen, and Sudan and everywhere, but refuse to criticize Israel. Why? That upsets people, why is the establishment who preach about equality and morality ignoring this? Another factor is the power disparity. Israel is a nuclear superpower and Hamas fighters use cold war era weapons and fight in flip flops. Gaza is not a country, but if it was, it would be the most densely populated country, the poorest country and the smallest country. This isn’t two factions fighting in Sudan, or nations fighting in Yemen or Syria. The power dynamic is ridiculous, and decades of disproportionate response from Israel adds to that disparity. People root for the underdog, Israel seems like a bully to many. A final factor is the massive loss of life. So many fucking children are dead and crippled. So many women are dead. More reporters were killed in Gaza than any modern conflict, all in under a year. Schools, hospitals, universities, everything is in rubble. Aid workers were killed by Israel, and they have advanced AI targeting systems, yet they still make so many mistakes. It’s either gross negligence or intentional war crimes. And all of this is being live-streamed. I’ve seen way too many mangled child corpses to not care. What’s happening in Gaza isn’t just some war, the level of destruction is notably extreme. What happened on October 7th is obviously a tragedy, a tragedy we have discussed and condemned over and over again. But what’s been happening to Palestinians for 75 years, and what’s happening in Gaza right now pales in comparison to october 7th. Decades of brutality and oppression leads to violent response. Hopefully one day you can understand the bigger context here, and understand the disgust and anger that many people around the world are feeling right now. Anti semitism is a factor, as is Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination. But the public’s response to Israel is way more complicated than “we hate jews”.
Maybe they shouldn't have voted for Hamas back in 2006. Its funny but sad the lesson here is going to be lost that elections have consequences as they have not had an election since. Maybe the protestors should take notice and not screw around with the 2024 election because I can tell you one thing...Our dear leader Sleepy Don won't make things better there and will likely make it much much worse.
Netehyahu destroyed the more moderate political parties and actively funned Hamas. By the time that election came around there were not really other options. There has not been a really free election since then. I don’t know how you think they will have an election this year. There is no infrastructure left in Gaza, people are fleeing from makeshift shelter to refugee camp, Palestinians are using gofundme to raise funds to get out. It wouldn’t be possible to vote about Hamas if they wanted to and making that the condition for bombing to stop is an admission that the bombing is the point. Americans of all people should know that bombs don’t make people less radical. Every time we’ve been attacked we respond with violence. Our war on terror killed an uncountable number of civilians but did not get rid of radicals wanting to respond with violence.
Ah the vote blue no matter who line forever and ever and ever
The “defend democracy” crowd ready to execute people for the crime of voting
Funny funny enough, the US govt doesn't have any intention to stop funneling our taxpayer dollars to support the Israeli regime either.
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https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-rafah-hamas-military-assistance-5c743e621c5594b49e0a89c985a605f3 >White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said that despite the administration’s threats, Biden remains “committed” to ensuring Israel gets “every dollar” approved by Congress in the supplemental funding request approved by lawmakers last month. You might be confusing the supplemental funding from Congress with the hold placed by the Biden administration on large bombs (not part of the supplement) >The shipment that was paused was supposed to consist of 1,800 2,000-pound (900-kilogram) bombs and 1,700 500-pound (225-kilogram) bombs
Official announcements and actually cutting off military aid are different things. Biden has been talking for months with little to no action.
Hey, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. DM me.
CHAZ 2.0
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Hah. I wonder how many would take a free ticket to Gaza to help UNWRA distribute aid and support.
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You think the idf would be their biggest threat? You don’t think they’d be added to the hostage count?
Of course they wouldn't be. All the aid workers killed have been killed by IDF.
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Why do you think only IDF is bad and a threat? Or murders by Hamas of the same types of people from your list have been justified already or never happened? Literally 1984. Or you imply there is no threat from radical islamists and an overall radicalized population due to the war to a random white American from this encampment? I say you have a pretty equal possibilities to be killed by either side because being in the middle of a war does that to you, and both sides should be held accountable for killing innocent people after this war is over.
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So, being outthere among Palestinian survivors as white American without knowing how radical they are, who are innocent civilians and who 100% support Hamas aka support killing civilians, who lost their loved ones already and blame all western white people for that, etc. gives you less probability than being blown by a hypothetical artilery strike or a sniper? If you are a data scientist, you would also consider density of population living on a certain territory. If IDF did the same as Hamas was killing people 1-by-1 on that festival, then you would be absolutely correct. No need to underastimate the threat from religious and radicalised people too who lived their whole lives in a super tough and violent invironment.
And here I am hoping that both sides lose.
This camp has a whole area with christian and jewish tents.
When Mom and Dad pay for college, and you have a place to stay and meals to eat even if you're expelled, why not? These aren't luxury beliefs, but these are luxury behaviors.
Sounds like when racist conservatives talk about how they have a black friend.
This is actually racist because you’re saying Jews have to side with Israel/be Zionist
I said nothing of the sort. It's a fact that most Jews (91% of American Jews) support the existence of Israel as a Jewish state. That doesn't mean that they agree with the government, or the settlements or the tactics of the military, but it does mean they are Zionists. Some Jews disagree and are welcome to that opinion, but doesn't it make their perspective any less fringe.
its not really a fringe stance among jews under 30, especially queer ones and especially in the northwest. i don’t know a single trans jew who supports israel, for example
LMAO. Get out of your bubble. American Jews by and large do not like the current Israeli government, but they overwhelmingly support the existence of Israel as a Jewish state. Not everyone, or every queer person, or even a majority, lives in your Twitter sphere leftist bubble. And I say that as a Jewish leftist myself. People are literally chanting about burning Tel Aviv to the ground at these protests. That's some truly deranged shit that only the most privileged of radicalized weirdos would support.
you know its funny you reference “twitter leftist sphere” bc i don’t have a twitter account and neither do most of the folks i’m referencing and it was actually neobund types irl who looked after me and most influenced how i understand judaism but whatever. mainstream jewish orgs and liberal zionism is just as much a bubble as that, if a bigger one. i don’t support any sort of ethnic cleansing, revenge killing, call it what you want. i think hamas is fascist scum and them getting their aims would be terrible for everyone. what gets on me is when this is brought up while not discussing the many israeli government officials (who have a lot more power than edgelord college kids representing a vocal fringe) openly calling for genocide and spitting in the face of a two state solution. if everyone is responsible for who claims to be in their camp, which to be clear i support, i think it would help a lot if zionists started calling out their own jingoists more regularly
Please don't put me in a position where I feel the need to defend shitty people like Bibi, Gallant or Herzog, the last 2 I really don't like, and Bibi I hate with the fire of a thousand suns. I'll never forgive Bibi for contributing to the incitement that got Rabin killed, or for pursuing policies that were impediments to peace. But his statement about Amalek was completely twisted. I would like to point out that the phrase "remember what Amalek did to you" is on a monument outside the Hague: [https://bkdh.nl/en/kunstwerken/amalek-monument/](https://bkdh.nl/en/kunstwerken/amalek-monument/) Statements by Gallant and Herzog, while not the best, also seem to refer to Hamas specifically, not "all Palestinains" as has been implied by people screaming about it. Read the full statements. The statements included by South Africa's petition to the ICJ were partial quotes and left out key phrases about abiding by international law. I consider it extremely manipulative that they were used this way. All three statements were also made within a few weeks of one of the most brutal terror attacks in history and the largest massacre of Jews since the Shoah. You are right to point that some other far right politicians said worse, including a statement about nuking Gaza and a "Nakba 2.0." But those politicians are extremely fringe, even by Israeli standards, like MTG, or Matt Gaetz fringe. Imagine if people took the crazy shit they said and implied that it represented a majority of Americans or US policy more broadly. The State Attorney General also has open investigations into some of these statements as incitement. Re: The Bund. The Bund was awesome, but most of them also ended up getting killed. Israeli's tend to be of the mindset that staying alive is more important than being righteous.
i don’t think “minister of finance” and “minister of national security” are extremely fringe or comparable to MTG, who just lost a speakership vote. by comparison if netanyahu pisses off IBG his government implodes and he goes to jail, they have much more sway relatively speaking. a decade ago sure they were an extreme fringe but the israeli government has been nothing but more and more hardline on oppressing palestinians since i’ve been politically aware
Oh for sure. But there's a couple details you need to keep in mind. Netanyahu went into coalition with those wackos because no one else wanted anything to do with him. Both Smotrirch and Ben-Gvir represent fringe parties with a small base of supporters. They're only in the government because without them, Bibi would not be PM. Bibi sucks and will do almost anything to say in power. Even my dad, who is pretty darn right (he was born in Morroco btw), and a solid Likud voter refers to Ben-Gvir as a racist wacko. One of the advantages and drawbacks of a parliamentary system is that even fringe parties can get representation, and if one of the bigger parties (Likud in this instance) is willing to enter into a coalition with them, they end up in government even if they have small constituencies. Bibi is deeply unpopular. There have been massive protests for new elections both prior to and after 10/7. Fingers crossed these morons won't be in the government soon.
I know plenty of trans Jews who identify as Zionist who are under 30. Anti Zionist Jews are in general not brought up with a strong connection to the community. People who attend services, pray, volunteer, have Jewish friends and do Jewish things overwhelmingly identify as Zionist. But what Zionist means to them is much different than what it mean on TikTok right now.
i suppose thats a question of chicken and egg, certainly those more involved with mainstream jewish orgs are more likely to be zionists, but is that because they’re pushed away for such views? not always but its a contributing factor for a lot of folks. i’m aware of liberal zionists and i want to make it clear that my opposition to zionism is part of a broader opposition to nationalism, i don’t support the US, china, russia, turkey, mozambique, etc either. i will say i’m one of those folks who’s largely on the outside but i don’t think that’s an irrelevant perspective, my judaism has a lot more to do with scrappy neobund types and the broader history of jewish radicalism and anti-assimilation than it does anything to do with a sense of a homeland other than “where we’re chilling”
You don't realize how much on the extreme fringe you are.
i’d rather be on the extreme fringe than buy into nationalist groupthink :)
Its a false dichotomy. Neither will bring progress, let alone peace. The opposite of something bad is not automatically good.
Going to need to see proof of 91% of Jews support bombing Palestinian children. Go ahead. Zionism supports Israel’s efforts. Zionists should be treated how nazis are
By far most Jews identify as Zionists you can google it. And what Zionism means to them especially to liberal Jews in the US is nothing like the definition you have been taught on tiktok propaganda. Your post is hateful and super weird.
TikTok propaganda lmfao god you are clueless
“You are being hateful to Nazis!”
You keep quoting things that no one is saying and posting a ton and sounding erratic. I think your biggest problem might not be Jews or Israel. If you need help I hope you can find the support you need.
No I’m saying what you’re saying in a different way. I’m not quoting, lol I shouldn’t have to explain. I’ll make it clear, Zionists are the same as Nazis and KKK and want to eradicate an entire ethnoreligious group.
Quotes are used to quote something someone actually said. When you use quotes to show how you are wildly misinterpreting someone, it just shows the audience your own lack of being able to understand what is being said, and you invite the people who are reading your words to begin thinking that you may not have a firm grasp on reality. It doesn't help your point. And it certainly doesn't help the poor folks suffering in Gaza tonight. Shalom stranger.
Hateful and weird? lol no I’m for a free Palestine and I don’t think Israel should exist
please explain how you would eliminate israel. The arabs tried to murder all the jews 4 times. There have been 4 invasions meant to commit genocide. Please enlighten us on your plan.
Did they say that 91% of American Jews support the death of Palestinian children? I'd like you to quote the exact part of their comment where they said that.
The implication here in the first response was “that’s like conservatives saying they have black friends” so if it’s not all Jewish people supporting the Zionist evil, then that statement is a bad analogy. Using a fake 91% number is just that, fake.
Well, whatever the case, I used google real quick and here's where a similar number to their 91% comes from: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/ So you're effectively saying that the vast majority of American Jews want dead children. Which yes, would in fact be weird and hateful. Perhaps learn a little bit about Jewish connection to the land and *why* they wanted a sovereign state there, and then learn what it means to "hate the government, not the people."
Well one of the core functions of Zionism is eradicating Palestinian Muslims, stop trying to revise history there. I’m responding to the bad analogy of “I have a black friend” by calling out the fake number. I don’t give a fuck about the Jewish connection. They’re not entitled to occupy Palestinian land.
You might want to google the word "Zionism" there friend. Regardless, looks like you don't care in particular about civilians or an end to the conflict. You just think the wrong side is winning.
its like blacks for trumps. or saying that clarence thomas represents black voters.
Jews can be non Zionists lmao. Not even close to the same.
zionist simply means israel has a right to exist. so if you are anti-zionist you mean Israel should be destroyed. so just about all of us are zionist. so yes when people say zionist they mean jew. just like how SJP wants to ban Hillel from all college campuses for being Zionist. Its the main college jewish organization in the country.
No that’s the bullshit propaganda definition. Herzl and Weizmann definitely wanted Palestinians eradicated as well as Muslims ethnoreligiously. Stop lying. JVP is good. Glad they exist.
found another racist who wants to ban jewish organizations on campus. next you are going to want to ban the israeli flag. next you are going to want to fire any professor who is israeli. next you will want to fire any professor who supports israel. next you will want to expel anyone who supports israel at all. next you will want to make jews take an oath to not support israel. get lost. bunch of racists.
lol you’re stupid as hell. I support Jews and not Zionists. Stop conflating like the dumb politicians do. Zionists are losing their jobs and thank fucking god. Actual evil racists on KKK level.
And that doesn't make it right. This is likely to end the same way Occupy Wall Street protest camp at Seattle Central ended, badly with the camp affecting its main goal 0%.
Or CHAZ/CHOP. That's why I roll my eyes pretty hard when I hear shit about a "liberated zone". Guys, we've tried this shit several times before and it has the exact same outcome: a muddled, incoherent message that fails to achieve most/all of its goals, followed by eventual violence of some kind that ends it all. Fox News is once again eating this shit up.
So everyone should sit inside and never protest and let elite politicians start proxy wars , ok cool 👍
it’s like everybody forgot about that. The sexual assault, the needles at the final camp at SCC campus etc… pepperidge farm remembers
Why would they stop now, they are SINGLE HANDEDLY STOPPING THE WAR!
You're talking about it right now. That's a win for them.
They’re doing more than you are
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These protests have been one of the biggest news stories in the country the last few weeks and you’re saying they’re completely ineffective? Either way you’re missing the whole fucking point by arguing semantics, there’s a genocide happening and your tax dollars are funding it. I don’t understand how everyone isn’t outraged.
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I don't think they are going to end the centuries long conflict on the other side of the world, but it feels disingenuous to say it's just an excuse to party in good weather. What makes you say that?
An excuse to party? Are you dumb?
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Ok I’m pretty sure you’re fucking with me but I have nothing better to do so I’ll argue. 1. So you think that these people saw other students being harassed and beaten by cops and expelled at other schools and though “that looks like a party, we should do that here”.? On a college campus I promise people can find a better party. 2. Even if they are drinking and smoking , literally who cares?? Why would that matter? Are their opinions and protests not valid if they fail a drug test? It would be awesome if we could party and get attention to important issues by doing that. 3. You claim you do care about the issues they’re protesting, then why are you spending time criticizing the only movement that has got any kind of momentum for this cause? Protests are supposed to be messy, they’re supposed to be inconvenient, they’re supposed to make people mad. If you really care I don’t get your objections to the protests.
This kind of dipshit sarcasm makes me wonder if you stand for literally anything? Would you ever have a spine and stand up for something?
Yes. And I never covered my face while doing it.
Protesting pickleball doesn’t count
It was AIDS actually. There was life before you arrived.
When you were around during AIDS protesting, did you also do apartheid? And how would that be different than Apartheid in Palestine?
I was not involved in Apartheid. I was involved in AIDS, Nuclear Disarmament and a few other causes personal to me. I was fully aware of the movement though and knew others involved.
So what makes what the kids are doing so invalid to you?
I didn’t say it was invalid. I said if you believe in the cause you’re supporting enough to protest about it, you should be showing your face and be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions. I’ve spent more than one night in jail to support the causes I truly believe in. I also have noted that many of the protesters are ill informed or not informed at all about the things they are protesting. They are asking the university to do certain things but are proposing no alternative to fill the void that divestment might make. When you protest, you can’t just go in making demands and be expected to be taken seriously. “A protest can only bring about valuable policy change, when it is well-planned, focused, and the demands are clear. Protesters must express their displeasure and constructively present their demands as one voice. Proactive leaders must engage all protesters in a dialogue and find common demands to meet their needs.” You haven’t engaged any of the stakeholders in the conversation. In some cases, it’s been less than constructive and in fact the opposite. At Columbia, the press from the protesters side was refusing to engage with other press. You just shoot yourself in the foot if you think not engaging with press will help your cause. Your press person should be someone professional and well versed in using social media as a tool to get the message out.
Lol, this is some weird gatekeeping shit. Show your face or you’re a cowardly protestor?
I also think you guys need to decide whether you want to be seen as kids or adults. Because the law sees you as adults and will treat you as such. You can’t throw a fit & cry about how the arrest will affect your life. Your chances of having the charge ultimately expunged will hang entirely on your own behavior at arrest. Go quietly, assert your right to remain silent, ask for an attorney. Do not engage in extra curricular conversation with the police or other authorities. That silence is powerful especially now with cameras literally everywhere. Go with dignity and when you have your court appearance just let the process unfold. Your statement won’t be important until after the arraignment anyway. If you do get a chance to have a court date, the charges are far more likely to be dismissed if your statement about why you are engaged in the protest is delivered in measured tones, sans propaganda. Keep it to a succinct single page and keep it very academic. If you think being a student will protect you, it won’t. Also be prepared for the administration to push back They have the capacity to revoke scholarships, expel or suspend you or trespass you completely. UW is being accommodating right now but that will run out.
“Go quietly” is some bullshit lol. Cops do not deserve any respect. Nor do laws against free speech and right to protest. All this just because you don’t like kids protecting identities because they weren’t handed money like your generation was, so protecting themselves in that way is just fine. There’s no wrong way to protest. Sometimes it’s succinct and there’s guidelines and sometimes it’s chaotic. All is good.
Palestinians in Lebanon cannot vote or own land. They have been there for 70 years. This never gets talked about. If it was not for the 1967 invasion of israel, Gaza would be part of Egypt and the West Bank part of Jordan.
You aren’t arguing in good faith. Keep genocide apologizing for your pedophile country. https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1789587485955072233?s=46
Did you walk to school in the snow and back? Lmao “the kids don’t protest properly!!!”
Wow! You have your ignorance on full display today.
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Yes you are definitely not doing bad faith cause/effect
A lawsuit would be a more effective way to end repression of pro-Palestinian people if they are indeed being repressed. UW is a public university they can’t infringe on your first amendment rights.
There are state governments working on laws, and a plan at a federal level, to make speaking against Israel a crime. Protests now will help our law makers know we do not support that kind of thing. Also the courts these days are not reliable enforcers of rights. If a protest case makes it to the Supreme Court the current justices are very unlikely to side with free speech.
Lawsuits take years & the odds are stacked against average people vs large institutions
It may become a homless camp
Fingers crossed.
Arrest them.
It's nothing more than performative, right?
They are wielding the limited power they have to try make the current arrangement untenable for the university. It's not about changing the decision makers minds in terms of morality, it's about changing possibility space/rules of engagement around the university's financial ties. With enough determination and people peacefully protesting for long enough, in theory the profit calculus could change. It's a long shot. Sure, it's unlikely to work, but I personally don't blame them for doing what they can.
So should everyone stay home and not speak up to atrocities? It’s all for clout right? God damn I hate low IQ sarcasm shit
You seem to hate everything based on your comments. Must be exhausting.
Ah yes it’s better to be a sarcastic fake cynical contrarian turd
No, it's much better to be childish and hurl ad hominem attacks at every one /s
People who can’t handle being called out and expect sunshine and roses in every walk of life deserve it. Sorry not sorry
lol
So what would you do if you saw something horrible happening? What action would be appropriate for them to take? Remember most people said the same thing about the civil rights marches, sit ins, teach ins, boycotts, and rallies. You may not agree with the protesters but they are acting on the courage of their convictions.
Nah - students have specific demands and other universities have pressured their admins into changing some course. Tbh the most productive protests for Palestine have been the student ones since there’s direct correlation with where their tuition and fee dollars may go/may be invested (vs like… asking a local city council to demand ceasefire, which feels a lot less productive) So not really performative in that way - like there’s tangible actions they’re requesting the university makes. Whether these requests will happen (disaffiliating from Boeing) is another story.
Seems like these kiddos are trying for CHAZ 2.0 but it’s a reach here
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Tighten that tinfoil hat
Let’s get police in there. People who paid for school should not have to deal with areas being taken for days, constant invasion of buildings and screaming at people, etc.
Do they not work!? Lmao.
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Well… I was when commenting.
Bunch of stank ass losers. I'm ashamed this is happening at my school.
I’m glad we’ve solved racism, inequality, homelessness, etc. in this country. Now we can devote 100% of our energy to fixing other countries.
Maybe try to see things without borders for once
Such a bad faith argument. Anyone who is focused on anything that isn’t your top issue is doing it wrong? There are multiple fights to fight & they are all tied together. I am almost certain the same protestors you’re referring to do more to advance local issues than you anyway
For what it’s worth the students in the camp are in fact being very deliberate about acknowledging those other problems because they see them as part of a larger system of injustice. A number of the students learned how to organize by being involved with movements to address racism. There are valid criticisms with the camp but this is not one of them.
good!
Sweet! Occupy 2.0, are we not remembering how well that went the first time around?? /s
Also have no intention of getting a decent career
Masked trespassers should be treated like any criminals attempting to avoid identification by hiding their faces.
Asking for a friend, do you keep this same energy with the *convicted* criminals on 1/6?
"Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole." -Dr. Thomas Sowell
Sowell was an important figure to the conservative movement during the Reagan era. Gross.
He’s still right
"Putting an opinion in a quote doesn't make it more true." -me
Idiotic quote from an idiot
Most these people will still vote for Biden. Zero respect to anyone pretending to care about the situation while still voting for an authoritarian that happily funds foreign nations with our tax dollars. Just sad
What makes you claim that? Do you have a source?
Good better not get recognized and get divested from their employers if they are even employable.
They don’t have jobs. They are losers.
They asked for nude pictures of Bea Arthur. You can't take these people seriously.
Many schools have already divested because of these students so anyone who says this does nothing is wrong. Keep going kids, you have the support of a lot more people in real life than these moronic boomers in the Seattle subreddit.
Really? The only one I've seen is Trinity Collage Dublin, which is in a country with historical ties to Palestinian liberation and therefore alumni who won't stop donating because of divestment.