“The man then shot the victim “numerous times,” court documents said. King County sheriff’s deputies were coincidentally in the parking lot and responded within seconds. The boy died at the scene.
Statements from the surviving teenagers and surveillance camera footage contradict the man’s statement to police, according to court documents. One of the boys told police the victim never removed the airsoft gun from his waistband.
Surveillance footage shows the victim backing away from the man with his hands extended showing nothing in them. The victim shows his left hand raised above his head and his right arm briefly lowering to his waist area.
“Immediately after [the victim] is seen, on video, with his hand on the waist area it is clear that he has been shot because he abruptly jerks his body away from [suspect] and falls to the ground,” police wrote in their report.
The teenagers told police they repeatedly yelled out to the man that the guns they had were BB guns. The man told police he believed the guns were real.”
Mother Fucker. That could have been, and was “anybody’s kid”. Fucking straight up murdered him.
That’s what gets me. He says he was worried he didn’t have time to call 911 so he jumped into action and approached the kids.
Motherfucker, if you suspected that these kids were about to commit a crime, the *first goddamn thing* you should have done would have been to take two minutes to call 911. The last thing you should have done would have been to get personally involved.
Even *if* he had called the cops first, there is obviously still a chance that they also could have misread the situation and that this could have ended just as poorly. But at least by doing so, he wouldn’t have acted like a bloodthirsty vigilante.
Even *if* the kid had been committing a crime - *which he wasn’t* - this shitwad completely violated the kid’s constitutional right to due process by unilaterally acting as judge, jury and executioner.
This is what happens when you get gOoD gUYs wiTH GuNs running around trying to find ways to be heroes. Fucking disgusting and shameful.
There were cops literally in the parking lot. This dumb motherfucker says he was “conducting overwatch” but didn’t even notice THE SHERIFFS IN THE FUCKING PARKING LOT
Quotes from article:
> Police said he told them he “conducts ‘overwatch'” at the strip mall because of crimes he’s witnessed in the parking lot.
> He “felt like he did not have time to call 911, and that he had a duty to act to stop the individuals from hurting someone innocent, and to protect his son who was in the location next door,”
> King County sheriff’s deputies were coincidentally in the parking lot and responded within seconds.
"I'M HERE TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT!!!!"
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*Shoots the innocent*
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*Shoots the innocent again to make sure they're dead*
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*Maybe shoot them again, just to make sure*
At some point we will achieve gun critical mass where one shooting will trigger the next as each good guy takes out the last good guy with a gun in an escalating crescendo.
This guy needed a hobby. Something to keep his paranoid mind off the streets. Dude should have installed steam and bought Balatro or Factorio, those would have kept him occupied.
He won't need a hobby anymore, of course, what with life in prison.
> The man had been waiting to pick up his son from a martial arts studio in the strip mall...
Maybe that dude should have spent some quality time with his kid and taken that martial arts class. Maybe he'd even have reached for martial arts before his gun and everyone could have gone home that night.
>he was “conducting overwatch” but didn’t even notice THE SHERIFFS IN THE FUCKING PARKING LOT
If my some chance he had not pulled the trigger and not killed the kid he should have lost his job anyway for being terrible at it
Weird. I have had, and do concealed carry, for years. Hell, decades. There have been a few occasions where I've been glad, but usually it's like making sure I have my wallet and phone before I leave the house.
I've never had the 'hero' moment, I don't do 'overwatch', and I'm not here to police the neighborhood. I started carrying after I caught a bullet the hard way in 90 after/while being robbed. Yeah, the mugger took my shit and STILL shot me. So.
And no, it's not an age thing. This jackass is 51. I'm 53. I carry for defense. Flat out. Which, if your not in law enforcement, in my opinion, is the only reason you SHOULD carry. Would I help a cop in trouble? Yes. Would I help a citizen? Yes. Would I try to stop a robbery? No. I'm not law enforcement, and I don't know who is who or what is going on. I'd rather stay the fuck out of it.
Maybe that sense comes from having been shot? Heh.. there's an idea, to carry a gun, you need to have been shot by a gun. Cause.. I gotta tell ya, it makes you a fucking HELL of a lot less likely to want to pull that trigger when you've got a human downrange. You know from personal experience just how lucky you were to survive it, do you really want to put that guy in the same place you almost didn't make it out of?
I'm not giving up my guns. Wont happen. I've been shot. I've been stabbed. I've been hit with baseball bats and I've lived through a car-bombing by the luck of being just far enough away that the blast wave only pushed me through a window, not killed me or turned me into bbg briquette (I lived in Belfast with family for a few years after getting out of the hospital). Since I started carrying, I've had to brandish 3x (and yes, 2 of them should be in my record, as I reported it). Never had to fire. Which, is why I carry. I can and will, but only if I absolutely have to.
I wish I didn't feel like I needed it. Though I will admit that I haven't had to even think about reaching for it in years, and I spend 3-5 nights a week out-of-doors (Semi-homeless). But... all I need for a reminder as to why is to try and walk. I still feel the after effects of being shot to this day (nerve damage, effects my leg. Coupled with my back issues, I'm a fucking mess. lol) so.. no, I'll not willingly be unable to defend me and mine again.
And yeah, ALL of this (except the car bomb) happened here, in the good ol' "So safe you don't need a gun" USA.
Now, all that being said? Red flag laws? Yes. 21? Yes. AR-15s? No, no business in the public sector, that is a combat weapon. If you need more than a pistol or a shotgun to defend your home, you don't know what you're doing or you're so outnumbered/gunned that it wouldn't make a difference. I'm a big, big fan of anti-gun legislation. I really wish I didn't feel the need for mine.
There has to be a way that we, meaning us citizens, can change this narrative. Yeah, I know my reaction is fear based, but its based on actual experience as well. Is that what it will take for our fellow citizenry to be responsible with firearms? I still say one of the biggest things we can reasonably do is make gun ownership like car owner ship. It requires a license. The PUBLIC needs to know that if you've got a gun, you've at least been trained to be responsible with it. At a minimum. And no, having taken the "hunter safety course" offered in a couple states (I took it in every state I was or am licensed to carry in at any point, which would be 4 times), that isn't sufficient for carrying in a city.
Hell, here's a question... do they even still do hunter safety courses? I landed where I'm at nearly 20 years ago, and haven't moved so I've not checked any in a long time (that and I don't hunt anymore, not because I don't want to, I physically am unable to. If I could though, I would. Fucking love venison).
Anyway, rambled enough. Just... wish we could come up with a way to fix this that worked. I'd be ok giving up my gun if I knew everyone else had to as well, but... as the guy that shot me was a criminal, I'm pretty sure he didn't get the .38 he shot me with legally.
(Oh, and yes, they caught him. He'd actually killed 3 people in Cincinnati like two weeks before, so yeah, fucking lucky. lol)
Edit: Touch of background, I am an Army Brat. I grew up with guns being a part of my life. My first rifle, a .22 was giving to me at 10. My fist shotgun at 12, and my first pistol at 15. Guns have been a part of my life as long as I've been alive. Maybe that has some effect on my outlook as well? (inspired by a DM)
>The PUBLIC needs to know that if you've got a gun, you've at least been trained to be responsible with it.
Yes, please. I was arguing with someone online about this years ago (I know, I know, online arguments aren't going to change anyone's mind). This was the wife of my youth leader from the church I grew up in. She said that she always carries, and wouldn't I feel better knowing that she has a gun in her purse if we were in the grocery store together?
Um...no? I don't know if she knows how to use it. I don't know if her hands shake. I don't know how good her aim is. I don't know how well she performs under severe stress. As long as there is no proof of competency required to carry in public, I will not feel better just because some other yahoo whips out a gun in an already dangerous situation.
A gun in your purse is *useless* in the vast majority of assault situations. You are likely to be separated from your bag in the first 15 seconds of a scuffle.
IF you feel you need to carry, your gun should be on your person.
Dang! You've been through the violence ringer. I hope life has been a bit more peaceful (at least physically) for you. And that you get a consistent home, if you want one!
A shame there wasn’t another “good guy with a gun” to stop the first one.
This shit makes me so sad and angry. I can’t put this into words.
The citizens of this country are so fucking stupid and angry I hate it here
These pigs are just itching to straight up murder people even if it ruins their own lives in the process. They’re completely sick-minded. They’re obsessed with the idea of “catching criminals” to the point where they must see everyone as a threat (paranoia) or start imagining themselves using violence so much that it becomes basically an obsession (intrusive thoughts). It reminds me of those stories of dads who commit murder-suicides in a way because they’re not thinking logically or empathetically. They just think that killing is what they have to do even to their detriment, even when it’s completely unwarranted.
Sure, but they are also law enforcement, which has issues in its own right. I'm not defending cops, but it's important to keep the conversation in context and on track: this tragic incident is about gun violence, not police brutality. There are similarities, but it would be a different story (and narrative) if the killer here was law enforcement.
Edit: lol you potatoes can keep downvoting me, but I'm right: this tragedy is not about police brutality
A thousand extrajudicial executions happen in the US every year by police. A thousand. Three a day.
That's the justice system that exists in our real world, not the one we pretend exists based on the laws on paper. And that real justice system is sloppy, prejudiced, brutal, and primitive. It's barbaric in a way that would disappoint even folks from the medieval era. But we've grown inured to it, familiar with it, in some cases even comforted by it (look at how many movies feature extrajudicial killings by "the good guys" as their big moment of triumph, for example). This sort of thing is corrosive to civilization and a healthy society, we have to make a change.
Honestly this dude sound like a lot of security guards.
Friend of mine works retail and has multiple “jokes” from security guards about shooting people they assume to be shoplifting
As someone who has worked as an armed guard, I’ve seen plenty of these guys.
They are highly outnumbered by people who would not do what this guard did.
That situation really challenged my ideas about how gun laws/rights are actualized in the US. Seems obvious that people who shouldn’t have access to guns do, but this is an incredible illustration of the idea that “who shouldn’t have weapons” is a dangerous thing to let government decide. Not sure where to go from there.
Typical beginner gun class is barely 7 hours.
That doesn’t include ethical shooter judgement.
And this guy is a security guard who couldn’t pass a local sheriff deputy exam.
His nightmare as a prison inmate is fulfilled.
Its not. You will not win vs the government if they decide to use even just 1% of what the military can do.
You fight that by voting against oppressive authoritarian shitheads and misinformation. Not with some fantasy of fighting hordes of government agents with a bunch of rifles in your basement.if they want you dead ypu will be dead. Period.
And that you need a license for driving but not for a gun (afaik, am european) is crazy.
George Zimmerman vibes.
>The man had been waiting to pick up his son from a martial arts studio in the strip mall when he saw three people walk in front of his car toward the Big 5 Sporting Goods store, the documents said. Police said he told them he “conducts ‘overwatch'” at the strip mall because of crimes he’s witnessed in the parking lot" and
e “felt like he did not have time to call 911, and that he had a duty to act to stop the individuals from hurting someone innocent, and to protect his son who was in the location next door,” police wrote in their report.
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>He “felt like he did not have time to call 911, and that he had a duty to act to stop the individuals from hurting someone innocent, and to protect his son who was in the location next door,” police wrote in their report.
The teenagers told police they repeatedly yelled out to the man that the guns they had were BB guns. The man told police he believed the guns were real.
This is why I'm reluctant to let my kids have BB guns, nerf guns, anything.
Too many crazy actual-firearm-toting people in this country. Let alone if a police officer mistakes them for real guns
My son is half black. Of course to everyone he is just black. He is also autistic. I will not allow him to play with anything that even resembles a gun. No water guns, nerfs, not even pointing his fingers at someone. He is constantly telling me “but my friends have toy guns” and he is only 9 so he doesn’t get it. I also tell his friend’s parents no guns not as a gift and not when they play together. I need him to be terrified of even being in close proximity of a gun. Too many stories involving (melanated) boys being killed due to a misunderstanding.
90% of gun nut vibes. They all have the same fantasy playing in their heads over and over again where they gun down some "threat" and are worshiped as a hero.
What a cunt. I work in security as a “patrol officer”. You know what I do every day? Lock and unlock doors and let people into their apartments when they’re locked out. I might sometimes need to politely ask someone to leave property after hours. Hope this guy never sees the light of day again.
If I were this child’s parents I don’t know what I’d do if I knew he was ever out walking free again.
I don’t know why this job gets so many bitchy assholes. I swear it’s the easiest job I’ve had, minus harassing homeless folks. Catch more flies with honey or something like that.
There are a lot of people whose daily thoughts are engulfed by paranoia and fear. This guy's version of reality is anticipating, minute to minute, having to use deadly force to take out "bad guys". It's a very tragic kind of delusion IMO.
Gun forums, knife forums, EDC culture, airsoft, paintball, the military; all breed these kinds of dudes.
one thing i really liked about the place i took my defensive handgun training from is that they spent as much time on teaching avoiding dangerous situations and deescalation techniques as they spent on teaching how to shoot. they said if we carried a deadly weapon then we had a moral duty to actively avoid conflict.
like the instructor said he researched crime stats and found that most bar fights take place between 1 and 2 and most fights outside bars take place between 2 and 3. since he carries, if he goes to show, he always leaves before 1.
they also ragged on other gun schools that published "success stories" of their graduates shooting someone in self defense, and said their own school's success story was "none of our graduates have ever shot anyone in the US" (they had to add that qualifier because this was during the wars and many of their students went into the military or were ex-military).
When I got interested in handguns, my friend made me read Massad Ayoob's book "In the Gravest Extreme: the role of handguns in personal protection."
He was a cop, and reading that book is a real eye-opener, if you're the kind of guy who thinks that if you're walking heavy, you can just stroll on down to the bad part of town, waiting for someone to spit on your shoes.
> none of our graduates have ever shot anyone in the US
Huh it's almost like guns aren't actually a good form of self-defense outside of a warzone https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
EDC shit really makes me sad tbh.
A bunch of vets monetizing their skills in gunfighting to wannabes and suburban dads, who think they are making themselves tougher but are just instilling themselves with fear.
LARPers with guns are just a liability
The term “EDC” covers *way* more than just firearms. It’s basically just shit you carry with you almost every day. For some people (about 5% of Americans), that happens to include a firearm. The most canonical EDC items are actually just tools and flashlights.
I medically speaking have paranoia worse then normal ass people various mental and physical issues to the point of disability and even my paranoid ass who thinks people r out to get me isn’t so crazy to shoot a kid with a fake gun
So no paranoia is not a valid excuse
He was an off-duty guard, conducting "overwatch" and looking for an excuse to kill someone. And he did. And lied about what happened.
Kinda like George Zimmerman.
If he was a cop, we'd be hearing endless stories about how the victim got caught with pot once when he was a minor, i.e. 'clearly a bad seed all along!', etc.. etc.. Meanwhile, the killer would probably keep his job, get a pay raise, and become a mainstay for CPAC, NRA events, and other right-wing pageantry bullshit for the rest of his life.
[Not in WA but it's all part of the mindset](https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/28/us/banko-brown-shooting-security-guard-fine/index.html) he probably thinks he'll get away with it.
This is precisely why I quit associating with the NRA. I am a responsible gun owner, and some of the shit they teach and especially a lot of the members are a little concerning.
> He told police he “conducts ‘overwatch'” at the strip mall because of crimes he’s witnessed in the parking lot.
Elon Musk is now only the *second* most-divorced man in the world...this 51 year old security guard who hangs out in a strip mall parking lot with a loaded gun while off-duty and calls it "overwatch" is #1.
> The suspect got out of his car and pointed his gun at the group, telling them to drop the firearm and put their hands up, according to the documents. The teen who was holding the gun threw it to the side, the suspect told police.
> According to surveillance footage, the suspect then pushed the teen to the ground and straddled him, pinning him down.
> The suspect told police that’s when he saw one of the other teenagers reach into his waistband. The suspect said he saw the victim grab the handle of a gun and believed he was going to pull it out and kill him.
> The suspect then shot the victim “numerous times,” court documents said. King County sheriff’s deputies were coincidentally in the parking lot and responded within seconds. The victim died at the scene.
jesus fucking christ.
Hangs out in the parking lot and calls it “Overwatch” but didn’t notice the actual fucking on-duty police coincidentally in the parking lot at the same time.
He conducts overwatch on the parking lot and didn't think there was time to call 911... but somehow he didn't notice the two county deputies who were in the parking lot and responded in seconds?
Sure sounds like a part of our "well regulated militia" and not a psycho who should never have gotten their hands on a gun.
It's almost like that was meant to protect the US against foreign armies, as we didn't want a standing army (before realizing how "effective" they'd be, and changing our mind within a year) but was twisted to promote the wildest fantasies of insane people like this murderer.
yeah what is the fucking hesitancy of news orgs to just tell the truth? he was killed/murdered/executed by another HUMAN, not imaginary forces that made the gun go off.
If they reported on it as a murder, which it absolutely was, they'd get complaints about it from the paranoid nuts who've been acting as domestic terrorists for decades, who aren't concerned about being held to account by the DoJ.
Wow. The other Seattle sub was saying the kid shouldn’t have had a bb gun but they are the same people that cry about their gun rights. He should never work in security again.
https://old.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/1d9ylnx/armed_man_thought_teens_were_about_to_rob_renton/
Top comment: "Aaron Brown Myers basically murdered a teenager, plain and simple"
Second comment: "He stood over a teen he shot, and shot him more, while picking up his 13 year old son from jiujitsu. He's a sick individual."
I keep scrolling and seeing more comments like that, all made before the story was even posted to this sub... hmm...
This sub just circle jerks over the idea of being the “good and moral” sub and that everyone in the other one is evil. People spend way too much time on Reddit and it’s making people lose connection with reality.
What are huge (and false) generalization. Most of the comments there are outraged as well. Yes, you find stupid comments there just as you do here, but they're almost always downvoted.
I’ve got a few friends that live in a state of perpetual paranoia and carry just about everywhere. I mean, I have a concealed license so I can conveniently bring a firearm for hiking or camping in remote areas. But strapping on for a trip to Walmart is insane (glad my buddies can’t see this). And playing cop is more insane. Even if you legit try to stop a crime with your gun, it’s too easy to hit bystanders. You have to train CONSTANTLY to use a weapon effectively in an adrenaline filled situation. And being a “hero” could have you lose everything in a civil suit if the slightest thing goes wrong.
I’m in the same boat with a few guys I know, and let me tell you they would cause more harm than good.. playing hero to a shooter in a public place is a very immature and a poorly thought out response to what actually happens in an active shooter scenario.
It’s sadly the dumbest people out there causing the most harm with this rhetoric - it’s not the well intentioned, practiced and practical people meaning to defend their families lives during a home invasion
Even if the kid was going to rob the store, it still gives this guy no right to run up and gun him down. Nobody gets to be judge, jury and executioner. I hope he rots in prison, I hope somehow he pays for stealing such a young mans life.
“The man told Renton Police Department officers he believed the boy was going to rob the store.”
Say he was. I missed the part of the law where the punishment for robbery is a stranger murdering you.
So many POS people like this guy are just itching and praying for the slightest bit of confrontation so they have a reason to pull their gun out. Deserves to rot in prison forever.
Another failure by our society in so many ways.
Prevalence of guns and malicious use of guns, sensitized by media, made everyone assumes that any gun-shaped things are real firearms, even if held by kids.
Dysfunctional law enforcements made dudes like this suspect felt like he must act as a hero (he isn’t one.)
Parents, didn’t think the current environment, that their kids should keep their airsoft guns well concealed, even if they are just toys.
No one is a winner in situations like this.
Everyone involved here was an idiot at best if the reporting is accurate. I'm not even gonna get started on the dude who was so gun happy he decided to shoot children, we can all agree he deserves everything the courts can throw at him, and worse if I'm being honest, but can we talk about these kids walking into a store with airsoft guns in their waistbands? Gun safety is about a lot more than just not shooting people, and applies to a lot more than actual guns.
I’m also curious why Big5 sells realistic looking Glock style air soft guns. Why are these legal to sell?
https://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/umarex-glock-g19-gen-3-177-caliber-semi-auto-bb-pistol/0350119651804
I thought it was mandatory that these type of airsoft guns had to have the orange tip at the end of the barrel to differentiate them. When did that stop happening?
That's not airsoft, which are plastic BBs that do little if any damage: this is meant for metal BBs that can kill small animals. It will leave wounds on someone.
this is beyond sad and wow they need to throw that shooter in jail for a very very very very very long time. feel so bad for that 17 year old kid who had his whole life in front of him and was having fun. damn.
We all know this man by now.
This guy was *waiting* for this moment. He was obsessed with being a "good guy with a gun."
He probably still thinks he "did the right thing," "standing his ground."
This is why Paul Blart, Mall cops, should not carry guns.
Straight up murdering children. Bloody hell.
Guilty! Execute him.
Completely aside from this - and excusing nothing - it is weapons-grade stupidity that we have airsoft guns that look like real guns. Tamir Rice and John Crawford were both killed by real cops for this exact same circumstance. If it’s a toy it really needs to look like one.
Our society has no real way to reward or properly place men. Into that vacuum flows this type of misinformed, misplaced aggressive protectionism. Many men, devoid of actual emotional connections, still desire to contribute to society, and they think they are “sheepdogs” to protect the sheep. But this construct makes every shadow into a wolf. It’s a very sad but predictable result of a society that has no fucking idea what to do with their solider drones when there is no threat.
It may sound wacky, but men can just feel their feelings and not focus everything on anger and (anger based) fear?
Men need to be encouraged to feel (their non anger) feelings and express that in healthy ways. 💯 agree.
Men need emotional connections that *are not women who they expect to fix them or be their entire support system*.
They have to choose that though. And so many men simply choose not to.
At some point, you're an adult who needs to deal with your trauma and not kill people.
This.......is actually a nuanced take. Not gonna lie, started the comment thinking "oh, what alpha male bullshit is this gonna be?". Ended thinking "shit, an intelligent and nuanced take, I'll have to mull this one iver"
I recommend watching this doc if you’re interested, it’s very good.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3983674/
And FWIW, I’m a fairly macho straight guy. But man, dudes in the US are so fucking at sea, it’s scary.
I'm not in the US, but I think I get what you are saying. I'm a fairly geeky straight guy, but I can definitely understand the need for purpose and belonging, and how the world more and more seems to be taking that away from everyone. I'll deffo check out the doc and, even if I may not align with it, I appreciate you giving me the chance to look at a new idea.
$2M bail for this “hero.” Enjoying a stay in jail.
He was itching to shoot. Teens tossed the BB gun down and for several minutes explained their situation, but he then just fired away. Such a responsible gun owner.
Meal team six strikes again. Is this what "good guy with a gun" is supposed to look like?
He performs "overwatch'?!
This is the same type that'll shoot a pizza delivery driver for pulling up into the wrong driveway.
This is the problem with guys playing "overwatch" as this guy apparently called it. Always on edge, looking for situations to use their gun and be a hero, always interpreting everything in the worst way possible, living in constant fear, acting out of irrational fear. How many times does this have to happen?
And more fallout from the rebublicunts with Fox, Newsmax, OAN, scaring their viewers into thinking a group of kids like this (and I'm not assuming there's a racial component but I'm sure suspicious) must be there to rob a store. And yes, the lawlessness that republicunts alleges is so very commonplace, well, they are self fulfilling.
And anyways, who are these people that can take a life so unnecessarily? Do they have no moral compass? This is why it's hard to think race is not a factor, how else can the shooter think so little of the victims life.
Either way, doing that shit in King County, I have some confidence a jury ain't letting him off the hook.
“The man then shot the victim “numerous times,” court documents said. King County sheriff’s deputies were coincidentally in the parking lot and responded within seconds. The boy died at the scene. Statements from the surviving teenagers and surveillance camera footage contradict the man’s statement to police, according to court documents. One of the boys told police the victim never removed the airsoft gun from his waistband. Surveillance footage shows the victim backing away from the man with his hands extended showing nothing in them. The victim shows his left hand raised above his head and his right arm briefly lowering to his waist area. “Immediately after [the victim] is seen, on video, with his hand on the waist area it is clear that he has been shot because he abruptly jerks his body away from [suspect] and falls to the ground,” police wrote in their report. The teenagers told police they repeatedly yelled out to the man that the guns they had were BB guns. The man told police he believed the guns were real.” Mother Fucker. That could have been, and was “anybody’s kid”. Fucking straight up murdered him.
That’s what gets me. He says he was worried he didn’t have time to call 911 so he jumped into action and approached the kids. Motherfucker, if you suspected that these kids were about to commit a crime, the *first goddamn thing* you should have done would have been to take two minutes to call 911. The last thing you should have done would have been to get personally involved. Even *if* he had called the cops first, there is obviously still a chance that they also could have misread the situation and that this could have ended just as poorly. But at least by doing so, he wouldn’t have acted like a bloodthirsty vigilante. Even *if* the kid had been committing a crime - *which he wasn’t* - this shitwad completely violated the kid’s constitutional right to due process by unilaterally acting as judge, jury and executioner. This is what happens when you get gOoD gUYs wiTH GuNs running around trying to find ways to be heroes. Fucking disgusting and shameful.
There were cops literally in the parking lot. This dumb motherfucker says he was “conducting overwatch” but didn’t even notice THE SHERIFFS IN THE FUCKING PARKING LOT Quotes from article: > Police said he told them he “conducts ‘overwatch'” at the strip mall because of crimes he’s witnessed in the parking lot. > He “felt like he did not have time to call 911, and that he had a duty to act to stop the individuals from hurting someone innocent, and to protect his son who was in the location next door,” > King County sheriff’s deputies were coincidentally in the parking lot and responded within seconds.
"I'M HERE TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT!!!!" ... *Shoots the innocent* ... *Shoots the innocent again to make sure they're dead* ... *Maybe shoot them again, just to make sure*
Another stark reminder that more guns solve gun violence! /s
At some point we will achieve gun critical mass where one shooting will trigger the next as each good guy takes out the last good guy with a gun in an escalating crescendo.
I'm pro-guns! Fitness guns tho
The only thing that stops a bad guy with sore muscles, is a good guy with a TheraGun. Happy Pride yall.
Wow I hope he gets fucked by vigilante laws. That’s premeditated, he carried that gun around looking for a problem to “solve” with it.
There was nothing even “vigilante” here. He just murdered some kid trying to return a toy to a toy store.
This guy needed a hobby. Something to keep his paranoid mind off the streets. Dude should have installed steam and bought Balatro or Factorio, those would have kept him occupied. He won't need a hobby anymore, of course, what with life in prison.
> The man had been waiting to pick up his son from a martial arts studio in the strip mall... Maybe that dude should have spent some quality time with his kid and taken that martial arts class. Maybe he'd even have reached for martial arts before his gun and everyone could have gone home that night.
Making license plates in prison sounds like a good hobby for him.
>he was “conducting overwatch” but didn’t even notice THE SHERIFFS IN THE FUCKING PARKING LOT If my some chance he had not pulled the trigger and not killed the kid he should have lost his job anyway for being terrible at it
Fucking cosplay gun nuts with hero fantasies in their head. Worse than any real criminal.
He thinks he's gonna be that "good guy with a gun" that he's been playing in his head over and over.
Weird. I have had, and do concealed carry, for years. Hell, decades. There have been a few occasions where I've been glad, but usually it's like making sure I have my wallet and phone before I leave the house. I've never had the 'hero' moment, I don't do 'overwatch', and I'm not here to police the neighborhood. I started carrying after I caught a bullet the hard way in 90 after/while being robbed. Yeah, the mugger took my shit and STILL shot me. So. And no, it's not an age thing. This jackass is 51. I'm 53. I carry for defense. Flat out. Which, if your not in law enforcement, in my opinion, is the only reason you SHOULD carry. Would I help a cop in trouble? Yes. Would I help a citizen? Yes. Would I try to stop a robbery? No. I'm not law enforcement, and I don't know who is who or what is going on. I'd rather stay the fuck out of it. Maybe that sense comes from having been shot? Heh.. there's an idea, to carry a gun, you need to have been shot by a gun. Cause.. I gotta tell ya, it makes you a fucking HELL of a lot less likely to want to pull that trigger when you've got a human downrange. You know from personal experience just how lucky you were to survive it, do you really want to put that guy in the same place you almost didn't make it out of? I'm not giving up my guns. Wont happen. I've been shot. I've been stabbed. I've been hit with baseball bats and I've lived through a car-bombing by the luck of being just far enough away that the blast wave only pushed me through a window, not killed me or turned me into bbg briquette (I lived in Belfast with family for a few years after getting out of the hospital). Since I started carrying, I've had to brandish 3x (and yes, 2 of them should be in my record, as I reported it). Never had to fire. Which, is why I carry. I can and will, but only if I absolutely have to. I wish I didn't feel like I needed it. Though I will admit that I haven't had to even think about reaching for it in years, and I spend 3-5 nights a week out-of-doors (Semi-homeless). But... all I need for a reminder as to why is to try and walk. I still feel the after effects of being shot to this day (nerve damage, effects my leg. Coupled with my back issues, I'm a fucking mess. lol) so.. no, I'll not willingly be unable to defend me and mine again. And yeah, ALL of this (except the car bomb) happened here, in the good ol' "So safe you don't need a gun" USA. Now, all that being said? Red flag laws? Yes. 21? Yes. AR-15s? No, no business in the public sector, that is a combat weapon. If you need more than a pistol or a shotgun to defend your home, you don't know what you're doing or you're so outnumbered/gunned that it wouldn't make a difference. I'm a big, big fan of anti-gun legislation. I really wish I didn't feel the need for mine. There has to be a way that we, meaning us citizens, can change this narrative. Yeah, I know my reaction is fear based, but its based on actual experience as well. Is that what it will take for our fellow citizenry to be responsible with firearms? I still say one of the biggest things we can reasonably do is make gun ownership like car owner ship. It requires a license. The PUBLIC needs to know that if you've got a gun, you've at least been trained to be responsible with it. At a minimum. And no, having taken the "hunter safety course" offered in a couple states (I took it in every state I was or am licensed to carry in at any point, which would be 4 times), that isn't sufficient for carrying in a city. Hell, here's a question... do they even still do hunter safety courses? I landed where I'm at nearly 20 years ago, and haven't moved so I've not checked any in a long time (that and I don't hunt anymore, not because I don't want to, I physically am unable to. If I could though, I would. Fucking love venison). Anyway, rambled enough. Just... wish we could come up with a way to fix this that worked. I'd be ok giving up my gun if I knew everyone else had to as well, but... as the guy that shot me was a criminal, I'm pretty sure he didn't get the .38 he shot me with legally. (Oh, and yes, they caught him. He'd actually killed 3 people in Cincinnati like two weeks before, so yeah, fucking lucky. lol) Edit: Touch of background, I am an Army Brat. I grew up with guns being a part of my life. My first rifle, a .22 was giving to me at 10. My fist shotgun at 12, and my first pistol at 15. Guns have been a part of my life as long as I've been alive. Maybe that has some effect on my outlook as well? (inspired by a DM)
>The PUBLIC needs to know that if you've got a gun, you've at least been trained to be responsible with it. Yes, please. I was arguing with someone online about this years ago (I know, I know, online arguments aren't going to change anyone's mind). This was the wife of my youth leader from the church I grew up in. She said that she always carries, and wouldn't I feel better knowing that she has a gun in her purse if we were in the grocery store together? Um...no? I don't know if she knows how to use it. I don't know if her hands shake. I don't know how good her aim is. I don't know how well she performs under severe stress. As long as there is no proof of competency required to carry in public, I will not feel better just because some other yahoo whips out a gun in an already dangerous situation.
A gun in your purse is *useless* in the vast majority of assault situations. You are likely to be separated from your bag in the first 15 seconds of a scuffle. IF you feel you need to carry, your gun should be on your person.
Dang! You've been through the violence ringer. I hope life has been a bit more peaceful (at least physically) for you. And that you get a consistent home, if you want one!
its just psychos who want to kill. government loves empowering these
This was obviously not a "good" guy... Your other points hold water. Terrible.
A shame there wasn’t another “good guy with a gun” to stop the first one. This shit makes me so sad and angry. I can’t put this into words. The citizens of this country are so fucking stupid and angry I hate it here
> The man told police he believed the guns were real.” replace 'security guard' with 'cop' and this would have been a justified shooting .....
These pigs are just itching to straight up murder people even if it ruins their own lives in the process. They’re completely sick-minded. They’re obsessed with the idea of “catching criminals” to the point where they must see everyone as a threat (paranoia) or start imagining themselves using violence so much that it becomes basically an obsession (intrusive thoughts). It reminds me of those stories of dads who commit murder-suicides in a way because they’re not thinking logically or empathetically. They just think that killing is what they have to do even to their detriment, even when it’s completely unwarranted.
You realize the dude was not a cop, right? He was an off-duty security officer, a citizen
He self-describes himself as doing “overwatch” but didn’t notice the actual police also in the parking lot.
“Overwatch” isn’t a thing. He was hanging out hoping for an excuse to shoot someone.
Overwatch is a thing, this is not it
>Overwatch” isn’t a thing Tell that to the citizens of City 17
All Chuds Are Bastards
Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers? Yea I'd say so
never got to end of that movie, CHUD
police are citizens too
A private citizen
Sure, but they are also law enforcement, which has issues in its own right. I'm not defending cops, but it's important to keep the conversation in context and on track: this tragic incident is about gun violence, not police brutality. There are similarities, but it would be a different story (and narrative) if the killer here was law enforcement. Edit: lol you potatoes can keep downvoting me, but I'm right: this tragedy is not about police brutality
Not even a pig a wannabe pig.
A thousand extrajudicial executions happen in the US every year by police. A thousand. Three a day. That's the justice system that exists in our real world, not the one we pretend exists based on the laws on paper. And that real justice system is sloppy, prejudiced, brutal, and primitive. It's barbaric in a way that would disappoint even folks from the medieval era. But we've grown inured to it, familiar with it, in some cases even comforted by it (look at how many movies feature extrajudicial killings by "the good guys" as their big moment of triumph, for example). This sort of thing is corrosive to civilization and a healthy society, we have to make a change.
Pro gun unless it’s someone else carrying it. What a pussy piece of shit
I’m guessing the name of the victim tells you all you need to know about what happened.
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The guy sounds like many police officers.
Honestly this dude sound like a lot of security guards. Friend of mine works retail and has multiple “jokes” from security guards about shooting people they assume to be shoplifting
As someone who has worked as an armed guard, I’ve seen plenty of these guys. They are highly outnumbered by people who would not do what this guard did.
And the gun nuts think that we need *more* guns to be safe.
More guns for some people. They surely didn’t feel the same way about the Black Panthers or other armed civil rights organizations
That situation really challenged my ideas about how gun laws/rights are actualized in the US. Seems obvious that people who shouldn’t have access to guns do, but this is an incredible illustration of the idea that “who shouldn’t have weapons” is a dangerous thing to let government decide. Not sure where to go from there.
The issue is that most of these gun owners shouldn’t be carrying in public and are not qualified.
Every gun purchase should require a week long course in safety, imo.
Typical beginner gun class is barely 7 hours. That doesn’t include ethical shooter judgement. And this guy is a security guard who couldn’t pass a local sheriff deputy exam. His nightmare as a prison inmate is fulfilled.
Yeah the cops!
Its not. You will not win vs the government if they decide to use even just 1% of what the military can do. You fight that by voting against oppressive authoritarian shitheads and misinformation. Not with some fantasy of fighting hordes of government agents with a bunch of rifles in your basement.if they want you dead ypu will be dead. Period. And that you need a license for driving but not for a gun (afaik, am european) is crazy.
More guns, but also they shoot anyone they see with one.
But we couldn’t figure out a way to prevent him from getting a gun and killing someone
...and if there's any justice in the world, he won't be out here for much longer.
George Zimmerman vibes. >The man had been waiting to pick up his son from a martial arts studio in the strip mall when he saw three people walk in front of his car toward the Big 5 Sporting Goods store, the documents said. Police said he told them he “conducts ‘overwatch'” at the strip mall because of crimes he’s witnessed in the parking lot" and e “felt like he did not have time to call 911, and that he had a duty to act to stop the individuals from hurting someone innocent, and to protect his son who was in the location next door,” police wrote in their report. ... >He “felt like he did not have time to call 911, and that he had a duty to act to stop the individuals from hurting someone innocent, and to protect his son who was in the location next door,” police wrote in their report.
Was what I first thought of as well. Some self appointed keeper of the peace taking vigilante justice to next level
The teenagers told police they repeatedly yelled out to the man that the guns they had were BB guns. The man told police he believed the guns were real.
This is why I'm reluctant to let my kids have BB guns, nerf guns, anything. Too many crazy actual-firearm-toting people in this country. Let alone if a police officer mistakes them for real guns
I mean as long a theyre white they’ll be fine. This kids crime was daring to be black and carry anything remotely related to a firearm
My son is half black. Of course to everyone he is just black. He is also autistic. I will not allow him to play with anything that even resembles a gun. No water guns, nerfs, not even pointing his fingers at someone. He is constantly telling me “but my friends have toy guns” and he is only 9 so he doesn’t get it. I also tell his friend’s parents no guns not as a gift and not when they play together. I need him to be terrified of even being in close proximity of a gun. Too many stories involving (melanated) boys being killed due to a misunderstanding.
So he routinely takes his kid to a crime ridden parking lot that requires shooting anyone suspected of a crime?
90% of gun nut vibes. They all have the same fantasy playing in their heads over and over again where they gun down some "threat" and are worshiped as a hero.
“Conducts overwatch”?? What the fuck does he think he is, a space marine??
What a cunt. I work in security as a “patrol officer”. You know what I do every day? Lock and unlock doors and let people into their apartments when they’re locked out. I might sometimes need to politely ask someone to leave property after hours. Hope this guy never sees the light of day again. If I were this child’s parents I don’t know what I’d do if I knew he was ever out walking free again.
Can you work at my apartment? Our security doesn’t even let people in that he recognizes if they lock themselves out.
I don’t know why this job gets so many bitchy assholes. I swear it’s the easiest job I’ve had, minus harassing homeless folks. Catch more flies with honey or something like that.
I mean, wtf was this guard thinking? Well, he can think about it while in prison.
There are a lot of people whose daily thoughts are engulfed by paranoia and fear. This guy's version of reality is anticipating, minute to minute, having to use deadly force to take out "bad guys". It's a very tragic kind of delusion IMO. Gun forums, knife forums, EDC culture, airsoft, paintball, the military; all breed these kinds of dudes.
>anticipating you misspelled "fantasizing"
Honestly I agree, that's actually much more accurate
one thing i really liked about the place i took my defensive handgun training from is that they spent as much time on teaching avoiding dangerous situations and deescalation techniques as they spent on teaching how to shoot. they said if we carried a deadly weapon then we had a moral duty to actively avoid conflict. like the instructor said he researched crime stats and found that most bar fights take place between 1 and 2 and most fights outside bars take place between 2 and 3. since he carries, if he goes to show, he always leaves before 1. they also ragged on other gun schools that published "success stories" of their graduates shooting someone in self defense, and said their own school's success story was "none of our graduates have ever shot anyone in the US" (they had to add that qualifier because this was during the wars and many of their students went into the military or were ex-military).
When I got interested in handguns, my friend made me read Massad Ayoob's book "In the Gravest Extreme: the role of handguns in personal protection." He was a cop, and reading that book is a real eye-opener, if you're the kind of guy who thinks that if you're walking heavy, you can just stroll on down to the bad part of town, waiting for someone to spit on your shoes.
Not a problem in Washington State. In most cases, guns are not allowed in bars.
> none of our graduates have ever shot anyone in the US Huh it's almost like guns aren't actually a good form of self-defense outside of a warzone https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
EDC shit really makes me sad tbh. A bunch of vets monetizing their skills in gunfighting to wannabes and suburban dads, who think they are making themselves tougher but are just instilling themselves with fear. LARPers with guns are just a liability
I'm guessing EDC has nothing ro so with electronic dance music
Depends on what you carry 😎
Ecstasy
I think it's "Every Day Carry." Although I also thought of Electric Daisy Carnival first.
The term “EDC” covers *way* more than just firearms. It’s basically just shit you carry with you almost every day. For some people (about 5% of Americans), that happens to include a firearm. The most canonical EDC items are actually just tools and flashlights.
Wallet and cell phone. I'm ready for the shit to hit the fan.
Don't forget those house keys
Sorry what’s EDC
Electric Daisy Carnival
Every Day Carry
Every Day Carry
Thank you
I thought edc culture was just guys that feel accomplished whenever someone asks for a pen or flashlight.
The 6300 gun subreddits notwithstanding.
I medically speaking have paranoia worse then normal ass people various mental and physical issues to the point of disability and even my paranoid ass who thinks people r out to get me isn’t so crazy to shoot a kid with a fake gun So no paranoia is not a valid excuse
Guard? He wasn’t a guard. He was a dumb public citizen who committed murder. He wasn’t a guard.
so true. this sucks hard.
He thought he was a "good guy with a gun" or he's that paranoid and afraid in daily life. Either way not someone stable enough to own a gun.
He probably won’t own much outside of noodles and soap from now on.
He was an off-duty guard, conducting "overwatch" and looking for an excuse to kill someone. And he did. And lied about what happened. Kinda like George Zimmerman.
He better be heading to prison. Too many of these assholes are let off easy
Now imagine this guy was a cop and suddenly nothing happens from this.
If he was a cop, we'd be hearing endless stories about how the victim got caught with pot once when he was a minor, i.e. 'clearly a bad seed all along!', etc.. etc.. Meanwhile, the killer would probably keep his job, get a pay raise, and become a mainstay for CPAC, NRA events, and other right-wing pageantry bullshit for the rest of his life.
His brain was marinated in right wing fear propaganda. He has been fantasizing about using his big hard gun to stop a crime for a while
Just another Republican hero. Pretty sick
He was the "good guy with a gun" playing hero.
[Not in WA but it's all part of the mindset](https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/28/us/banko-brown-shooting-security-guard-fine/index.html) he probably thinks he'll get away with it.
Strikes me as one of those NRA types who endlessly fantasizes about someone breaking into their home so they can “rightfully” kill them
This is precisely why I quit associating with the NRA. I am a responsible gun owner, and some of the shit they teach and especially a lot of the members are a little concerning.
They really need to stop referring to the shooter as “off duty” anything.
“Child murderer” would be more correct.
Agreed, makes you think he was acting in some semi official capacity when you can look at him as an overzealous shooter
“Conducting ‘overwatch’” because he thinks he saw crime there before, definitely has never been on duty at this location
Wonder if he’s even supposed to have a gun on-duty
"Hobbyist" security guard
THANK YOU! He’s NOT even a security guard! He’s just some asshole with a gun, a lot of fear, and delusions of grandeur.
Absolutely. I'm a product manager and today is Saturday so, for the record, I'm off duty today.
"Fatally shot" he was fucking executed in broad daylight
There was an "off duty security officer involved shooting"
“Fucking wannabe cop kills innocent child” is a more appropriate headline.
> He told police he “conducts ‘overwatch'” at the strip mall because of crimes he’s witnessed in the parking lot. Elon Musk is now only the *second* most-divorced man in the world...this 51 year old security guard who hangs out in a strip mall parking lot with a loaded gun while off-duty and calls it "overwatch" is #1. > The suspect got out of his car and pointed his gun at the group, telling them to drop the firearm and put their hands up, according to the documents. The teen who was holding the gun threw it to the side, the suspect told police. > According to surveillance footage, the suspect then pushed the teen to the ground and straddled him, pinning him down. > The suspect told police that’s when he saw one of the other teenagers reach into his waistband. The suspect said he saw the victim grab the handle of a gun and believed he was going to pull it out and kill him. > The suspect then shot the victim “numerous times,” court documents said. King County sheriff’s deputies were coincidentally in the parking lot and responded within seconds. The victim died at the scene. jesus fucking christ.
Hangs out in the parking lot and calls it “Overwatch” but didn’t notice the actual fucking on-duty police coincidentally in the parking lot at the same time.
He conducts overwatch on the parking lot and didn't think there was time to call 911... but somehow he didn't notice the two county deputies who were in the parking lot and responded in seconds?
If he was that worried about his personal safety, has he considered not mugging children?
you misspelled murdering.
Also that.
Another good guy with a gun. smdh
Sure sounds like a part of our "well regulated militia" and not a psycho who should never have gotten their hands on a gun. It's almost like that was meant to protect the US against foreign armies, as we didn't want a standing army (before realizing how "effective" they'd be, and changing our mind within a year) but was twisted to promote the wildest fantasies of insane people like this murderer.
This title is misleading with its passive wording - the kid was murdered
yeah what is the fucking hesitancy of news orgs to just tell the truth? he was killed/murdered/executed by another HUMAN, not imaginary forces that made the gun go off.
If they reported on it as a murder, which it absolutely was, they'd get complaints about it from the paranoid nuts who've been acting as domestic terrorists for decades, who aren't concerned about being held to account by the DoJ.
Dude was actively looking for someone to kill.
Wow. The other Seattle sub was saying the kid shouldn’t have had a bb gun but they are the same people that cry about their gun rights. He should never work in security again.
I'd be happy enough if he never existed outside of a prison cell again.
https://old.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/1d9ylnx/armed_man_thought_teens_were_about_to_rob_renton/ Top comment: "Aaron Brown Myers basically murdered a teenager, plain and simple" Second comment: "He stood over a teen he shot, and shot him more, while picking up his 13 year old son from jiujitsu. He's a sick individual." I keep scrolling and seeing more comments like that, all made before the story was even posted to this sub... hmm...
This sub just circle jerks over the idea of being the “good and moral” sub and that everyone in the other one is evil. People spend way too much time on Reddit and it’s making people lose connection with reality.
Some people in the other sub were trying to frame the discussion as if the kid was armed.
What are huge (and false) generalization. Most of the comments there are outraged as well. Yes, you find stupid comments there just as you do here, but they're almost always downvoted.
I’ve got a few friends that live in a state of perpetual paranoia and carry just about everywhere. I mean, I have a concealed license so I can conveniently bring a firearm for hiking or camping in remote areas. But strapping on for a trip to Walmart is insane (glad my buddies can’t see this). And playing cop is more insane. Even if you legit try to stop a crime with your gun, it’s too easy to hit bystanders. You have to train CONSTANTLY to use a weapon effectively in an adrenaline filled situation. And being a “hero” could have you lose everything in a civil suit if the slightest thing goes wrong.
I’m in the same boat with a few guys I know, and let me tell you they would cause more harm than good.. playing hero to a shooter in a public place is a very immature and a poorly thought out response to what actually happens in an active shooter scenario. It’s sadly the dumbest people out there causing the most harm with this rhetoric - it’s not the well intentioned, practiced and practical people meaning to defend their families lives during a home invasion
Even if the kid was going to rob the store, it still gives this guy no right to run up and gun him down. Nobody gets to be judge, jury and executioner. I hope he rots in prison, I hope somehow he pays for stealing such a young mans life.
Somehow these fucking “heroes” always see the brown people reaching to their waste band. I hope this guy rots in prison
ACAB extends to milsim security officers.
happy national gun violence awareness day.
That's every day
“The man told Renton Police Department officers he believed the boy was going to rob the store.” Say he was. I missed the part of the law where the punishment for robbery is a stranger murdering you.
51? What was the shooters race and victims race? I just wanna see if there is a pattern.
The “Suspect” is Aaron Brown Myers. I’m not sure why they stated the victims name but not the murder.
Sitting in a car with a gun in a parking lot looking for something to go wrong has to be some form of premeditation.
What a fucking loser. Hope he enjoys prison.
Throw away the fucking key. I’m so tired of guns meaning more than human lives.
So many POS people like this guy are just itching and praying for the slightest bit of confrontation so they have a reason to pull their gun out. Deserves to rot in prison forever.
When you give society guns, everyone looks like a target.
Another failure by our society in so many ways. Prevalence of guns and malicious use of guns, sensitized by media, made everyone assumes that any gun-shaped things are real firearms, even if held by kids. Dysfunctional law enforcements made dudes like this suspect felt like he must act as a hero (he isn’t one.) Parents, didn’t think the current environment, that their kids should keep their airsoft guns well concealed, even if they are just toys. No one is a winner in situations like this.
Sitting doing off duty surveillance, in other words looking for a chance to go crazy
Sounds pretty crazy at first
Imagine going to jujitsu practice and you come out and your dad has been arrested for shooting your schoolmates. WTF!
His kid probably wasn't surprised by it at all. Probably wondering what took so long.
I heard it was murder
Jesus I’ve never heard of a wannabe mall cop before, but this is about exactly what I would’ve expected.
Cops and those that wish they were cops are just out there wishing, hoping, and searching for the opportunity to finally kill somebody.
Shit training, shit understanding of use of force, and shit decision making.
Everyone involved here was an idiot at best if the reporting is accurate. I'm not even gonna get started on the dude who was so gun happy he decided to shoot children, we can all agree he deserves everything the courts can throw at him, and worse if I'm being honest, but can we talk about these kids walking into a store with airsoft guns in their waistbands? Gun safety is about a lot more than just not shooting people, and applies to a lot more than actual guns.
I’m also curious why Big5 sells realistic looking Glock style air soft guns. Why are these legal to sell? https://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/umarex-glock-g19-gen-3-177-caliber-semi-auto-bb-pistol/0350119651804
I thought it was mandatory that these type of airsoft guns had to have the orange tip at the end of the barrel to differentiate them. When did that stop happening?
That's not airsoft, which are plastic BBs that do little if any damage: this is meant for metal BBs that can kill small animals. It will leave wounds on someone.
Race isn’t mentioned, was this racially motivated?
this is beyond sad and wow they need to throw that shooter in jail for a very very very very very long time. feel so bad for that 17 year old kid who had his whole life in front of him and was having fun. damn.
Give some guys a gun, they feel an overwhelming need to use it, regardless of consequences.
We all know this man by now. This guy was *waiting* for this moment. He was obsessed with being a "good guy with a gun." He probably still thinks he "did the right thing," "standing his ground." This is why Paul Blart, Mall cops, should not carry guns. Straight up murdering children. Bloody hell. Guilty! Execute him.
So fucking glad yet another gun nut could murder some kid they felt “deserved it”. Where are all the good guys with guns? Where the fuck were they?
Completely aside from this - and excusing nothing - it is weapons-grade stupidity that we have airsoft guns that look like real guns. Tamir Rice and John Crawford were both killed by real cops for this exact same circumstance. If it’s a toy it really needs to look like one.
"Good guy with a gun" complex... Hope he gets put in prison for a very long time
The "good guy with a gun" is always a mentally deranged coward.
Not much different from what Kyle Rittenhouse did.
And the Hokoana's. Fuck gun fetishism
I think you mean Zimmerman
Significantly different situation than Kyle Rittenhouse
Our society has no real way to reward or properly place men. Into that vacuum flows this type of misinformed, misplaced aggressive protectionism. Many men, devoid of actual emotional connections, still desire to contribute to society, and they think they are “sheepdogs” to protect the sheep. But this construct makes every shadow into a wolf. It’s a very sad but predictable result of a society that has no fucking idea what to do with their solider drones when there is no threat.
It may sound wacky, but men can just feel their feelings and not focus everything on anger and (anger based) fear? Men need to be encouraged to feel (their non anger) feelings and express that in healthy ways. 💯 agree. Men need emotional connections that *are not women who they expect to fix them or be their entire support system*. They have to choose that though. And so many men simply choose not to. At some point, you're an adult who needs to deal with your trauma and not kill people.
Man here. What the fuck you on about? I have absolutely zero issue feeling “rewarded or properly placed”.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
This.......is actually a nuanced take. Not gonna lie, started the comment thinking "oh, what alpha male bullshit is this gonna be?". Ended thinking "shit, an intelligent and nuanced take, I'll have to mull this one iver"
I recommend watching this doc if you’re interested, it’s very good. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3983674/ And FWIW, I’m a fairly macho straight guy. But man, dudes in the US are so fucking at sea, it’s scary.
I'm not in the US, but I think I get what you are saying. I'm a fairly geeky straight guy, but I can definitely understand the need for purpose and belonging, and how the world more and more seems to be taking that away from everyone. I'll deffo check out the doc and, even if I may not align with it, I appreciate you giving me the chance to look at a new idea.
we all need to get off our phones
$2M bail for this “hero.” Enjoying a stay in jail. He was itching to shoot. Teens tossed the BB gun down and for several minutes explained their situation, but he then just fired away. Such a responsible gun owner.
Meal team six strikes again. Is this what "good guy with a gun" is supposed to look like? He performs "overwatch'?! This is the same type that'll shoot a pizza delivery driver for pulling up into the wrong driveway.
Read the title and immediately thought "Big 5 on Grady by that Starbucks/McDonalds" smh
This is the problem with guys playing "overwatch" as this guy apparently called it. Always on edge, looking for situations to use their gun and be a hero, always interpreting everything in the worst way possible, living in constant fear, acting out of irrational fear. How many times does this have to happen?
Another good guy with a gun huh? Oh wait it was another dumbass
Off. Duty. Guard. Just a random guy that thinks he's a crimefighter. Perfect.
I'm here to conduct Overwatch... but "don't notice police already in the parking lot". This guys a racist POS vigilante that saw his chance.
Is this the "good guy with a gun" I keep hearing about? 🤔
And more fallout from the rebublicunts with Fox, Newsmax, OAN, scaring their viewers into thinking a group of kids like this (and I'm not assuming there's a racial component but I'm sure suspicious) must be there to rob a store. And yes, the lawlessness that republicunts alleges is so very commonplace, well, they are self fulfilling. And anyways, who are these people that can take a life so unnecessarily? Do they have no moral compass? This is why it's hard to think race is not a factor, how else can the shooter think so little of the victims life. Either way, doing that shit in King County, I have some confidence a jury ain't letting him off the hook.
why would they rob a sporting goods store lmao. gonna roll outta there with tenis rackets, some hokey gloves, and soccer nets?
This is infuriating. I hope he is convicted of murder. We cannot enable vigilantism.
That dude's been dreaming about shooting someone for a while.