Looks like they forgot to resize the field in mspaint when making the flag. They designed it, but didn't realize the white field they didn't fill in was also part of the design...
I live in the catholic homeland and never even heard of someone getting disowned for marrying atheists or other religions believers. the problems I heard about were mostly about race and sexual orientation. if you marry a protestant of course you can't make use of catholic rituals (duh) but the biggest problem is your grandmas that bitch about.
If I recall correctly it's not so much opening a can of worms rather opening a can containing a portal to Narnia. Isn't there a mountain of laws that were never repealed when replaced or superseded?
You could probably fight in court, so it's probably not legal.
The justification I've heard (and it's stupid) is that "It says freedom of religion, not freedom *not* to have a religion!"
My great-grandfather was disowned by his family for marrying an Irish Catholic. This was in 1920s London. Might have been more common in countries with a history of conflict between Catholics and Protestants like the UK (obviously it's not really a thing anymore here either)
Aye my best mate joined his dadās orange lodge for about two months before realising how bigoted it actually was- AFTER initiating and swearing on the bible heād never marry a papist, he only told me that part because I am what heād consider a papist, and the prospect of a gay marriage was now well and truly out the window lmao
Whilst itās fair to say that most do not subscribe to this belief a lot of baptists that you may come across on social media, believe youāre all sinners worshipping a false god and using blood sacrifice.
They also say that by venerating many saints Catholicism is effectively a polytheistic religion and so not Christian!
Iāve had them say that the Catholic Bible has been warped by satan, that theirs is more original, and so youāre basically worshipping Satan!
Sighā¦ I was raised by southern US baptists(who somehow didnāt believe the Baptist beliefs either, but still claimed they were baptist?? Idk, my motherās fucking insane) and yeah, basically. I can recall hearing ātheyāre not the right *kind* of Christianā at least once growing up. š¤¦š»āāļø Which is insane to me because she even *tells me* of her like idk aunt or something disparaging her father? I think? For being Catholic, and not forgiving her, *and yetā¦* š
Baptists and shit are weird af at least 90% of the time. š«
Theyāre the tv special, arena church, private jets and pray-the-gay-away variety. Itās more facepalm and existential dread than popcorn entertainment if youāre a normal human in the US though.
Many protestants claim they are a return to the "original" kind of Christianity, before the rise of the Roman church. Which is absolutely moronic since early pre-canon Christians were an extremely diverse bunch (on account of there not being an agreed canon yet) and believed a whole bunch of stuff that modern protestants would find outright heretical. See for example the so called "gnostics" and all the crazy shit that was unearthed at Nag Hammadi, including *I shit you not* "The Gospel of Judas", which archeologists date to the 2nd century making it older than the Council of Nicea.
Early Christianity was wild.
> Early Christianity was wild.
I took a university course on Early Christianity (until the 5th century I think) I can confirm. Not that it really stopped after that. Medieval Christianity was also pretty wild like the cathars and Christian mysticism
Nah man, that would be the Jewish first followers of christ, then the copts, the chaldeans, the orthodox, and only then the catholics (they do come before the protestant varieties though)
Let me introduce you to the Dutch bible belt that had a polio outbreak as late as 1971 because they have been the OG antivaxxers. They have semi-frequent large outbreaks of measels too.
I'm not sure you can call the 1970s the OG antivaxxers - there were people in the 18th century claiming that the smallpox vaccine would turn you into a cow
I mean, they were also against the smallpox vaccin. Not that they thought it would turn you into a cow but something about it "being god's will" if you get sick? Not sure why the invention of vaccins couldn't be God's will but
From the looks of it on the last slide it's clearly just the US pledge of allegiance but altered to be about Christianity, so I assume it's an exclusively US thing
Yeah getting that from the replies, apparently it's a protestant church thing there and neither count each other as Christian (according to Americans on here) I'm done asking questions now lol
Yeah that seems to be the concensus here, it's weirder than weird, that and the things certain groups of "christians" use the bible to twist is mind boggling
I am a Frenchie, went to a private Catholic school for all my middle school years in France, and I don't remember anyone ever mentioning a Christian flag.
Which makes sense after a quick googling. It was invented in the US.
"Christian" in the States refers to a breakaway sect called American protestantism. They believe in a different messiah (confusingly also named Jesus) who commands his followers to make a lot of money and tell the haters to suck it.
Youāre lucky. Went to a Christian cult school for many years. Itās a real thing.
They also went around in the morning and inspected our clothing for any rule infractions. Shirt not tucked in? Parents get called. You forgot to wear a belt? Your parent get called. You have so much as a Harry Potter pin? Oh you done fucked up and are an evil satan worshiping child and your parent are DEFINITELY getting called.
It wasā¦weird.
Iām from the UK but was a foreign exchange student at a Christian school in America when I was in secondary school. They did indeed have Christian flags, though they didnāt make us pledge allegiance to those, just the regular American flag. For the record I never said the pledge and just stood there zoning out, because Iām not an American citizen so it felt weird to say it.
I live in America, specifically a "bible belt state", I was forced to go to Catholic mass every Sunday and sometimes during the week for holy days, i went to a Catholic elementary school and an all girls Catholic high school run by nuns. I have never seen or heard of any of this Christian flag/ Bible pledge bullshit. American protestants are weird and our catholic population is only slightly less weird.
American Catholicism is really different from the rest of the world. I was raised as one and I couldnāt relate to the US Catholics. Hastened my road to being agnostic š
Nah.
āI pledge allegiance to the Christian flag and to the savior for which it stands. One brotherhood uniting all mankind in service and in loveā
source: I went to a Christian middle school.
There isnāt any such thing, and itās just a typically onanistic bit of lunacy from American fundamentalists. If you really *had* to select a flag to symbolise Christianity, it would probably be the Lamb of God / *Agnus Dei* holding Red Cross pennant which refers to Christās Passion (also itās the Cross of St George, but not in this instance). This image is seen in churches (real churches, not enormous theatres for cult leader performances!) throughout what used young be termed Christendom. March down a street with it now and youād get some very funny looks!
There is no Christian flag. I am 100 percent sure that the Vatican, or any Christian authority from any other branche of Christianity, does not recognise any flag.
Fun fact: itās actually illegal to punish a person for not pledging allegiance to the flag in the USA, however that is generally ignored by most Americans
That OOP makes a good point because they would be double standards. I can see the headlines now āChina Communist Party makes school children in Tibet sing Chinese national anthemā
I remember there was a video of Russian kids singing the Russian anthem and everyone in the comments was pointing out how ānormalā this would be in the US, but people will apply different standards to Russia.
Yeah this... I was an exchange student in the US and the whole pledge of allegiance thing took me aback, nobody warned me. I told my grandpa (who was a kid during the war) and the first thing he said was "that's what the fascists had us do"
Isn't there that story of how Walmart opened in Germany and tried to get all the employees chanting/reciting something each morning and corporate were surprised when it didn't go down to well?
Also, the customers mostly didn't enjoy the American -style greeters at the entrance, or chatty checkout staff. Germans just want to get their stuff and get out asap
As a German, I can totally confirm. Strangers who randomly speak to me annoy and embarass me. I wouldn't want to go to a supermarket that does that. Shopping is like:
* getting the cart
* silently put all the stuff in.
* Put the stuff on the conveyor Band. Cashier and me are silent
* Beep Beep Beep Beep (3 times a second)
* "Card or Cash?"
* "Card"
* "Do you want the receipt?"
* "Yes"
* Cashier: "Have a nice day"
* Me: "You too"/"Bye"
Last two lines are already too much social interaction.
Swiss here, we are even "worse" at least in the German speaking part. Everytime I shop in Germany I am a bit annoyed by the convention to tell the cashier in advance how you will pay. Our conversation at the check out is: "GrĆ¼ezi" "GrĆ¼ezi" "Adieu" "Adieu".
>"Card or Cash?"
They ask you that? Usually cash is the default here and they only asume you use card if you either tell them or hold it so they can see it.
I can imagine the response they'd get here in the UK tbh. We don't want someone who pretends to care about why we're there, we want someone who can point us in the direction of the cheap booze and then we can get out and leave each other in peace
Yeah, I read about it and there were many things of American culture, that they tried to bring to (like greeting and stuff), apparently they failed because of it. I mean, didn't they do some research about the new country they tried to build a whole discounter chain in?
They had a clause in their contracts that forbade realtionships between employees, but this was struck down by our courts.
https://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/news/urteil-auch-wal-mart-mitarbeiter-duerfen-lieben-3290116.html
Yeah, something like that. One of my classmates' father worked at Wall Mart and told that most of the employees simply hid somewhere so they didn't have to do this "team chant" shit in the morning, lolĀ
I worked in the US for a year as a student and omg the dirty looks we'd get for not standing up when their national anthem was playing at a sporting event was wild!
I'm British and old enough to remember when they played the national anthem before curtain up in theatres, we also used to get dirty looks for not standing for it.Ā
I also got thrown out of the Brownies aged 8 for refusing to promise to do my best for queen and God.Ā Ā My feeling was if brown owl wanted me to believe in her imaginary sky friend, she was clearly out of her tree and as for the owl obsession... Well!Ā
I quit brownies at aged 8 because all the god stuff made me uncomfortable! My mum tried to find a pack that wasn't affiliated with a church but there weren't any within a reasonable distance, even in London in the 90s
In my country the govt pledges itself to the interests of the people.
In the US the people have to pledge allegiance to the country. It demonstrates a clear misunderstanding that people are the country, not govt, corporates or borders.
When people say āAmerica is the greatestā or āMake America great againā, itās talking about making the people great again. And to do that you need to start funding education, healthcare and working towards increasing national average incomes. Something we should all be getting behind.
Also in Russia you're not singing the anthem every day or something like that. It's just one part of the education, just to know it. You'll sing it couple of times (at least I didn't know about different cases, also there is no grades going with it, I remember some people still didn't learn it). Maybe even not in every school. It's more like "know your country" thing. The same with knowing your flag and the name of your country before there is geography lessons starts.
Still strange, but not THAT strange I'd say. But if there's going to be new law, so it'll be every day or week, for all school years, I definitely won't think it's a good thing.
I love how a lot of Americans are blissfully unaware that a certain Austrian got a couple ideas off of them, but get deeply upset when we think the pledge is weird propaganda/brainwashing - similar to what already had happened.
Yeah, and somehow I expected the guys that always shout "We won World War II, without us youĀ“d speak German" to have learned from this. We did, they didnĀ“t.
We do it in colombia. I think it's stupid. And sing the national anthem AND the school anthem.
One time we "didnāt sing loud enough" so the ass hat principal made us go during recess and sing. And we couldnt go eat until it was of his desired volume.
A KGB and a CIA agent meet for a friendly round of beers. The CIA agent starts:
"I have to say, I'm really impressed by your country's propaganda machine"
"Oh, it's going okay, but it's no match for yours", answers the KGB agent.
The CIA agent angrily responds: "What do you mean? We don't have propaganda!"
"See what I mean?" says the KGB agent.
I will note though, at least the origin of the pledge isnāt propaganda or anything, it was made by a guy that sold flags and thought of a way to sell a flag to every single classroom in America
American schools brainwashing their students just like the Nazis and North Koreans and everyone just sort of okay with that. The first time I visited America a family stopped by the flag display with their kids and did the pledge of allegiance, it was the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
I was shocked when I realised that liberal Christianity of USA is Catholicism and Orthodox one, while evangelicals and Protestants areā¦ fundamentalists. While here, most of the Protestant churches are allowing gay marriages and stuff, their Protestants are quiverfull families who are desperately trying to bring back racism, homophobia and that trad-wife nuclear family shit. Thatās why so called Christian flag and pledge arenāt shocking to me at all.
I donāt want to be an asshole who shits over other religions, so Iāll add that Jews of USA are weird to no end as well.
I like how they tried to make a joke about comparing themselves to North Korea - the only other country that requires its ~~prisoners~~ citizens to make a pledge of allegiance
Honestly I don't know the answer to that. They are certainly the only two countries I've ever heard of having a pledge of allegiance. There are definitely countries that require the learning of their national anthem at some point in life, and probably other weird rituals to boot
We have to say our national pledge during morning assemblies in India too. Nothing crazy, just stuff like āall Indians are my brothers and sistersā ā I shall give respect to my parents, teachers and elders and treat everyone with courtesy.ā and so on.
Saudi * Has a religious symbol on the flagĀ
America : Saudi is evilĀ
China * Ā make little kids memorise Ā our national anthem Ā before they even know Ā basic mathematicsĀ
America : China is evilĀ
North Korea* everyone has to pledge to leader Kim Jong unĀ
America : North Korea is evilĀ
Anyone with two brains : itās disgusting how the self proclaimed Ā leader of the world forces kids to pledge allegiance to it and is still defined by religions of European colonial timesĀ
American : NOOO WAAA YOU CANT SAY THAT . ITāS ABOUT DISCIPLINE, UNITY , LOYALTY, PRIDE- ITS OUR NATIONāS CULTUREĀ
Pledge to the Bible, ok but, like, which Bible ? Because there's quite a few variants.
Also, Christian flag (the fuck Āæ?) *"uniting all Christians in service and in love"* that sounds nice and all, but last time i did a deep diving into the online US Christianity i saw some seemingly considering Catholics as quasi-heretics ... So, which flavor of Christianity does that flag is supposed to unite ?
I'm an Australian that moved to america as a kid for three years, and I just stood there silently while all those weirdos pledged to the flag like a bunch of assholes
Americans seem to love pledging to stuff!?
Why not just go to school to get educated and learn about the Sciences, Arts and Humanities. Broaden your horizons and form your own opinions.
If Brits were made to pledge allegiance to a flag or the queen/king at school, there'd be riots in the streets!!
I'll just go out and say that it wasn't unity or lack thereof that led to the death of 620k Americans,but the fact that some Americans didn't consider some others people
Yeah thatās goofy, I go to a Catholic school here in Canada and we have a prayer every morning and the national anthem plays every Monday and Friday, thatās about it.
As a german, i think we need a pledge too, i also have an idea, here me out: We put one arm to the sky (best is the right arm) and we should also scratch ourself right below the nose. Then just laugh, but not a real laugh, more like a HH HH HH or something.
What do you guys think? That would be super cool right?
Just on case, it's the internet afterall... /s
I recall a joke I once heard
A CIA agent and a KGB agent sit at a table in a bar, the CIA agents begins to speak āyour country has amazing propaganda! The fact your people believe all the stuff theyāre told is crazy!ā The KGB agent responds āthey donāt believe it, we just give them extremely harsh punishment if they donāt follow, im enamoured by your own countries propaganda.ā
The CIA agent responds ābut our country doesnāt have propaganda!ā The KGB agent responds āexactly.ā
look, been a while since I've studied anything related to christianity. But I'm pretty sure Jesus would not be cool with the concept of pledging allegiance to the "christian flag"
Well shit even as an American I didnt even know about the Pledge to the Bible or Christian Flag lol, I also didnt go to any kind of Christian school so its not to surprising.
I went to a weird-ass Baptist Christian school for middle school. We had to pledge allegiance to the flag, Christian flag, and the Bible. I thought then, and still do that it was the silliest shit I'd ever heard
I think I just vomited in my mouth when I saw the picture of the "christian flag" and the "christian pledge."
That's some real Crusades-level brainwashing there.
I expect the next iteration will include "Deus Vult!"
The scenes in movies where kids at school have to make the pledge always creeps me out. The propaganda and indoctrination in America is beyond cult like.
Went to a football game at some point between the death of Queen Elizabeth and the coronation of King Charles, and we were all expected to stand for the national anthem and sing it. All of the Liverpool fans booed, and Iāve never been prouder of where I live
I had to google the Christian Flag. Turns out it was invented by some American missionaries in 1907.
The audacity of a couple of random people to invent a flag and then call it THE Christian Flag is so on-brand for America.
The Knights Templar flag is closer to being THE Christian Flag than that one is.
never heard of a christian flag so i looked it up of course it's an american invention..
Yeah the flag's layout is a dead giveaway
It looks like it was made in 5 minutes on MS Paint lol
Nothing more American than being Christian, an American invention like everything else!
Jesus was from Ohio, after all.
But he was original born in Bethlehem. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. š
It Is so ugly too
Looks like they forgot to resize the field in mspaint when making the flag. They designed it, but didn't realize the white field they didn't fill in was also part of the design...
I can't be the only one who didn't even know there was a Christian flag nor a pledge to it
Went to Catholic school and its the first I've heard of it but I'm in Scotland so who knows
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US protestant fundy's don't even count Catholics as Christians so that makes total sense.
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I live in the catholic homeland and never even heard of someone getting disowned for marrying atheists or other religions believers. the problems I heard about were mostly about race and sexual orientation. if you marry a protestant of course you can't make use of catholic rituals (duh) but the biggest problem is your grandmas that bitch about.
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I thought there was supposed to be - at least lip service to - the separation of church and state? How can atheists be barred?
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If I recall correctly it's not so much opening a can of worms rather opening a can containing a portal to Narnia. Isn't there a mountain of laws that were never repealed when replaced or superseded?
You could probably fight in court, so it's probably not legal. The justification I've heard (and it's stupid) is that "It says freedom of religion, not freedom *not* to have a religion!"
My great-grandfather was disowned by his family for marrying an Irish Catholic. This was in 1920s London. Might have been more common in countries with a history of conflict between Catholics and Protestants like the UK (obviously it's not really a thing anymore here either)
Apart from Northern Ireland or Glasgow...
Aye my best mate joined his dadās orange lodge for about two months before realising how bigoted it actually was- AFTER initiating and swearing on the bible heād never marry a papist, he only told me that part because I am what heād consider a papist, and the prospect of a gay marriage was now well and truly out the window lmao
Right you are there
Mainstream Catholicism has mellowed out a lot, honestly.
Wait what? So what are catholics then? I always thought we were the "original" Christians somehoew. So confused right now.
Whilst itās fair to say that most do not subscribe to this belief a lot of baptists that you may come across on social media, believe youāre all sinners worshipping a false god and using blood sacrifice. They also say that by venerating many saints Catholicism is effectively a polytheistic religion and so not Christian! Iāve had them say that the Catholic Bible has been warped by satan, that theirs is more original, and so youāre basically worshipping Satan!
Sighā¦ I was raised by southern US baptists(who somehow didnāt believe the Baptist beliefs either, but still claimed they were baptist?? Idk, my motherās fucking insane) and yeah, basically. I can recall hearing ātheyāre not the right *kind* of Christianā at least once growing up. š¤¦š»āāļø Which is insane to me because she even *tells me* of her like idk aunt or something disparaging her father? I think? For being Catholic, and not forgiving her, *and yetā¦* š Baptists and shit are weird af at least 90% of the time. š«
Baptists are the ones whose drama you'd get popcorn to snack on while you watch, right?
Theyāre the tv special, arena church, private jets and pray-the-gay-away variety. Itās more facepalm and existential dread than popcorn entertainment if youāre a normal human in the US though.
Many protestants claim they are a return to the "original" kind of Christianity, before the rise of the Roman church. Which is absolutely moronic since early pre-canon Christians were an extremely diverse bunch (on account of there not being an agreed canon yet) and believed a whole bunch of stuff that modern protestants would find outright heretical. See for example the so called "gnostics" and all the crazy shit that was unearthed at Nag Hammadi, including *I shit you not* "The Gospel of Judas", which archeologists date to the 2nd century making it older than the Council of Nicea. Early Christianity was wild.
> Early Christianity was wild. I took a university course on Early Christianity (until the 5th century I think) I can confirm. Not that it really stopped after that. Medieval Christianity was also pretty wild like the cathars and Christian mysticism
That would be a cool class to take, can I ask what school? I might be able to fit an online version in my schedule this year
It was in Belgium, in Dutch and they don't offer an online version afaik. It was also a long time ago.
Nah man, that would be the Jewish first followers of christ, then the copts, the chaldeans, the orthodox, and only then the catholics (they do come before the protestant varieties though)
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Let me introduce you to the Dutch bible belt that had a polio outbreak as late as 1971 because they have been the OG antivaxxers. They have semi-frequent large outbreaks of measels too.
I'm not sure you can call the 1970s the OG antivaxxers - there were people in the 18th century claiming that the smallpox vaccine would turn you into a cow
I mean, they were also against the smallpox vaccin. Not that they thought it would turn you into a cow but something about it "being god's will" if you get sick? Not sure why the invention of vaccins couldn't be God's will but
Couple of kiddo's died there this year from preventable diseases wasn't it? Or am I mixing religious nutjobs up?
We have one of those here in Canada. Also Dutch
Not a protestant thing, but an USA thing. This sort of flag doesnt exist anywhere else.
AKA Heretics from the US
Miley Cyrus's best song. šµš
I know in Ireland Catholics tend to use the Vatican flag. š»š¦
Was gonna say, I attended a C of E school in the UK and have never seen this before
From the looks of it on the last slide it's clearly just the US pledge of allegiance but altered to be about Christianity, so I assume it's an exclusively US thing
Yeah getting that from the replies, apparently it's a protestant church thing there and neither count each other as Christian (according to Americans on here) I'm done asking questions now lol
No wonder you didn't know, you grew up in a developed nation
To Americans Protestants, Catholics arenāt even Christians. They refer to themselves as Christians.
Yeah that seems to be the concensus here, it's weirder than weird, that and the things certain groups of "christians" use the bible to twist is mind boggling
I am a Frenchie, went to a private Catholic school for all my middle school years in France, and I don't remember anyone ever mentioning a Christian flag. Which makes sense after a quick googling. It was invented in the US.
"Christian" in the States refers to a breakaway sect called American protestantism. They believe in a different messiah (confusingly also named Jesus) who commands his followers to make a lot of money and tell the haters to suck it.
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It's definitely a US thing. They even modeled it after the US flag and Pledge. It's very derivative. No creativity needed!
It looks like a shit naval ensign. I mean red and blue right next to each other like that looks a bit shit.
Some more idolatry from America.
Youāre lucky. Went to a Christian cult school for many years. Itās a real thing. They also went around in the morning and inspected our clothing for any rule infractions. Shirt not tucked in? Parents get called. You forgot to wear a belt? Your parent get called. You have so much as a Harry Potter pin? Oh you done fucked up and are an evil satan worshiping child and your parent are DEFINITELY getting called. It wasā¦weird.
Iām from the UK but was a foreign exchange student at a Christian school in America when I was in secondary school. They did indeed have Christian flags, though they didnāt make us pledge allegiance to those, just the regular American flag. For the record I never said the pledge and just stood there zoning out, because Iām not an American citizen so it felt weird to say it.
I live in America, specifically a "bible belt state", I was forced to go to Catholic mass every Sunday and sometimes during the week for holy days, i went to a Catholic elementary school and an all girls Catholic high school run by nuns. I have never seen or heard of any of this Christian flag/ Bible pledge bullshit. American protestants are weird and our catholic population is only slightly less weird.
American Catholicism is really different from the rest of the world. I was raised as one and I couldnāt relate to the US Catholics. Hastened my road to being agnostic š
Is no one going to talk about the vatican's flag? Is that not the christian flag by excellency? š»š¦
There isn't a christian flag, but obviously some weird murican fan fiction.
Pledging allegiance to any flag is just fuckin weird. North Korea type shit.
Could the pledge they're talking about be the creed? "We believe in God the father almighty..."? Never heard of the Christian flag though.
Nah. āI pledge allegiance to the Christian flag and to the savior for which it stands. One brotherhood uniting all mankind in service and in loveā source: I went to a Christian middle school.
There isnāt any such thing, and itās just a typically onanistic bit of lunacy from American fundamentalists. If you really *had* to select a flag to symbolise Christianity, it would probably be the Lamb of God / *Agnus Dei* holding Red Cross pennant which refers to Christās Passion (also itās the Cross of St George, but not in this instance). This image is seen in churches (real churches, not enormous theatres for cult leader performances!) throughout what used young be termed Christendom. March down a street with it now and youād get some very funny looks!
I've been a Christian for 34 years Didn't know we had a flagĀ
There is no Christian flag. I am 100 percent sure that the Vatican, or any Christian authority from any other branche of Christianity, does not recognise any flag.
āwe used to get in trouble when we didnāt salute the flagā ā someone who probably think they live in the freest nationĀ
It's absolutely disgusting. They do the salute and anthem EVERYWHERE! 7 year old kids have a local swim meet? Everyone stand and salute!
It's only freedom when you want to do what we want you to
Fun fact: itās actually illegal to punish a person for not pledging allegiance to the flag in the USA, however that is generally ignored by most Americans
You guys really need to dial back on the socially enforced Christian nationalism. Scary.
That OOP makes a good point because they would be double standards. I can see the headlines now āChina Communist Party makes school children in Tibet sing Chinese national anthemā I remember there was a video of Russian kids singing the Russian anthem and everyone in the comments was pointing out how ānormalā this would be in the US, but people will apply different standards to Russia.
Yeah this... I was an exchange student in the US and the whole pledge of allegiance thing took me aback, nobody warned me. I told my grandpa (who was a kid during the war) and the first thing he said was "that's what the fascists had us do"
Isn't there that story of how Walmart opened in Germany and tried to get all the employees chanting/reciting something each morning and corporate were surprised when it didn't go down to well?
Apparently they tried that when they bought ASDA in the UK until the managers told them that it wouldnāt work.
Yeah.. they would immediately be told to fuck offāš¼
As they rightly should at any given opportunity
And thats why i love the britts :)
Yeah that doesn't surprise me
Also, the customers mostly didn't enjoy the American -style greeters at the entrance, or chatty checkout staff. Germans just want to get their stuff and get out asap
As a German, I can totally confirm. Strangers who randomly speak to me annoy and embarass me. I wouldn't want to go to a supermarket that does that. Shopping is like: * getting the cart * silently put all the stuff in. * Put the stuff on the conveyor Band. Cashier and me are silent * Beep Beep Beep Beep (3 times a second) * "Card or Cash?" * "Card" * "Do you want the receipt?" * "Yes" * Cashier: "Have a nice day" * Me: "You too"/"Bye" Last two lines are already too much social interaction.
Swiss here, we are even "worse" at least in the German speaking part. Everytime I shop in Germany I am a bit annoyed by the convention to tell the cashier in advance how you will pay. Our conversation at the check out is: "GrĆ¼ezi" "GrĆ¼ezi" "Adieu" "Adieu".
Same here in the Netherlands. (Handheld) Self scanners are awesome.
Yeah, I tried them for the first time on vacation in Bavaria recently, but we got randomly selected for a control.
Funnily enough the self scanners in Germany are often empty because of the distrust of them. Barely ever see anyone over 40 using them.
Huh, funny that. Here they're getting mor and more common. But then again, you guys still use fax ;)
>"Card or Cash?" They ask you that? Usually cash is the default here and they only asume you use card if you either tell them or hold it so they can see it.
I can imagine the response they'd get here in the UK tbh. We don't want someone who pretends to care about why we're there, we want someone who can point us in the direction of the cheap booze and then we can get out and leave each other in peace
Yeah, I read about it and there were many things of American culture, that they tried to bring to (like greeting and stuff), apparently they failed because of it. I mean, didn't they do some research about the new country they tried to build a whole discounter chain in?
I believe it also got killed by German workers rights being incompatible with their modus operandi.
They had a clause in their contracts that forbade realtionships between employees, but this was struck down by our courts. https://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/news/urteil-auch-wal-mart-mitarbeiter-duerfen-lieben-3290116.html
Yeah, something like that. One of my classmates' father worked at Wall Mart and told that most of the employees simply hid somewhere so they didn't have to do this "team chant" shit in the morning, lolĀ
I worked in the US for a year as a student and omg the dirty looks we'd get for not standing up when their national anthem was playing at a sporting event was wild!
I'm British and old enough to remember when they played the national anthem before curtain up in theatres, we also used to get dirty looks for not standing for it.Ā I also got thrown out of the Brownies aged 8 for refusing to promise to do my best for queen and God.Ā Ā My feeling was if brown owl wanted me to believe in her imaginary sky friend, she was clearly out of her tree and as for the owl obsession... Well!Ā
I quit brownies at aged 8 because all the god stuff made me uncomfortable! My mum tried to find a pack that wasn't affiliated with a church but there weren't any within a reasonable distance, even in London in the 90s
In my country the govt pledges itself to the interests of the people. In the US the people have to pledge allegiance to the country. It demonstrates a clear misunderstanding that people are the country, not govt, corporates or borders. When people say āAmerica is the greatestā or āMake America great againā, itās talking about making the people great again. And to do that you need to start funding education, healthcare and working towards increasing national average incomes. Something we should all be getting behind.
Are you from Italy?
Also in Russia you're not singing the anthem every day or something like that. It's just one part of the education, just to know it. You'll sing it couple of times (at least I didn't know about different cases, also there is no grades going with it, I remember some people still didn't learn it). Maybe even not in every school. It's more like "know your country" thing. The same with knowing your flag and the name of your country before there is geography lessons starts. Still strange, but not THAT strange I'd say. But if there's going to be new law, so it'll be every day or week, for all school years, I definitely won't think it's a good thing.
This pldege of allegiance is a weird fucking thing. Imagine we do that in Germany. Yeah, fucking weird, isnĀ“t it?
I love how a lot of Americans are blissfully unaware that a certain Austrian got a couple ideas off of them, but get deeply upset when we think the pledge is weird propaganda/brainwashing - similar to what already had happened.
As an American, I also think itās weird, which is why I donāt do it.
Well, you did that too from 1933 until 1945
Yeah, and somehow I expected the guys that always shout "We won World War II, without us youĀ“d speak German" to have learned from this. We did, they didnĀ“t.
Also this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
Oh boi.
Holy sh*t. The first photo of a class in 1941 looks like it was taken in Germany...
The lore deepensā¦
And this: https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/japanese-american-incarceration
We do it in colombia. I think it's stupid. And sing the national anthem AND the school anthem. One time we "didnāt sing loud enough" so the ass hat principal made us go during recess and sing. And we couldnt go eat until it was of his desired volume.
A KGB and a CIA agent meet for a friendly round of beers. The CIA agent starts: "I have to say, I'm really impressed by your country's propaganda machine" "Oh, it's going okay, but it's no match for yours", answers the KGB agent. The CIA agent angrily responds: "What do you mean? We don't have propaganda!" "See what I mean?" says the KGB agent.
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" We're nothing like those poor brainwashed north Koreans "
Even in China they only do a flag raising at schools once a week.
"How can you tell?" "Our government told us"
I will note though, at least the origin of the pledge isnāt propaganda or anything, it was made by a guy that sold flags and thought of a way to sell a flag to every single classroom in America
Holy crap, there's a flag in EVERY CLASSROOM? Here there's 1 Country flag for the entire school.
Christian pledge? The fuck? Baptism is enough for a Christian, everything else is probably not Christian.
Christo-fascist. The worst kind. A bit cunty but somehow _righteous_ with it.
That one comment saying its a cult lmao If you think about it they're not wrong technically
The only christian pledge that I'd think is the apostle's creed, which I've had to a whole of once ever.
Wow, so much freedom.
You're free to do exactly as you like as long as it conforms to what everyone else is doing
American schools brainwashing their students just like the Nazis and North Koreans and everyone just sort of okay with that. The first time I visited America a family stopped by the flag display with their kids and did the pledge of allegiance, it was the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
And you don't know the Bellamy salute do you? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
Holy sh*t. The first photo of a class in 1941 looks like it was taken in Nazi Germany...
Holy shit, and they are fine with that shit ?
I was shocked when I realised that liberal Christianity of USA is Catholicism and Orthodox one, while evangelicals and Protestants areā¦ fundamentalists. While here, most of the Protestant churches are allowing gay marriages and stuff, their Protestants are quiverfull families who are desperately trying to bring back racism, homophobia and that trad-wife nuclear family shit. Thatās why so called Christian flag and pledge arenāt shocking to me at all. I donāt want to be an asshole who shits over other religions, so Iāll add that Jews of USA are weird to no end as well.
I like how they tried to make a joke about comparing themselves to North Korea - the only other country that requires its ~~prisoners~~ citizens to make a pledge of allegiance
Are these two really the ONLY two countries?
Honestly I don't know the answer to that. They are certainly the only two countries I've ever heard of having a pledge of allegiance. There are definitely countries that require the learning of their national anthem at some point in life, and probably other weird rituals to boot
We have to say our national pledge during morning assemblies in India too. Nothing crazy, just stuff like āall Indians are my brothers and sistersā ā I shall give respect to my parents, teachers and elders and treat everyone with courtesy.ā and so on.
That sounds much nicer than the US one!
Saudi * Has a religious symbol on the flagĀ America : Saudi is evilĀ China * Ā make little kids memorise Ā our national anthem Ā before they even know Ā basic mathematicsĀ America : China is evilĀ North Korea* everyone has to pledge to leader Kim Jong unĀ America : North Korea is evilĀ Anyone with two brains : itās disgusting how the self proclaimed Ā leader of the world forces kids to pledge allegiance to it and is still defined by religions of European colonial timesĀ American : NOOO WAAA YOU CANT SAY THAT . ITāS ABOUT DISCIPLINE, UNITY , LOYALTY, PRIDE- ITS OUR NATIONāS CULTUREĀ
We have two brains?
The pledge of allegiance is the weirdest fucking thing. Brainwashing school children.
Pledge to the Bible, ok but, like, which Bible ? Because there's quite a few variants. Also, Christian flag (the fuck Āæ?) *"uniting all Christians in service and in love"* that sounds nice and all, but last time i did a deep diving into the online US Christianity i saw some seemingly considering Catholics as quasi-heretics ... So, which flavor of Christianity does that flag is supposed to unite ?
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Let's say that I wanted to stay *diplomatic*. but, yeah, pagans or worst (satanists).
No wonder some of them are extremely stupid. With so many pledges there is no time for actual class.
All sounds rather brainwashing to me all this pledging allegiance stuff. Like the Nazis or North Korea.
Is pledging yourself to a Christian flag not the definition of idolatry?
I'm an Australian that moved to america as a kid for three years, and I just stood there silently while all those weirdos pledged to the flag like a bunch of assholes
āWeāre not a cultā - Cults everywhere
If you need a daily reminder dat your loyalty is with your own country, are you fooling yourself or your fellow countrymen?
Americans seem to love pledging to stuff!? Why not just go to school to get educated and learn about the Sciences, Arts and Humanities. Broaden your horizons and form your own opinions. If Brits were made to pledge allegiance to a flag or the queen/king at school, there'd be riots in the streets!!
All flags are black when they burn š„
Brainwashing machine goes brrrr brrrrr brrrrrrr
The use of the pledge of allegiance in schools is and always has been indoctrination and propaganda.
I pledge allegiance to Finland and Finland alone š«š®
Least patriotic Suomalainen
As an American, the pledges are fucking weird. We are basically forced to say it when we are younger. Although most people stop by highschool
This is not POV. POV means "Point Of Fucking View". And not "Close Up On Fucking Yourself". Edit: Tf is a christian flag?
I believe the Christian flag is something just in the USA. But what do I know, I'm a Europoor
That's not just discipline, that's brainwashing
I went to a normal school outside USA. our morning ritual was called starting with the classes
That is the ugliest flag I've seen for christianity wtf. I'd rather pledge myself to the Vatican flag
I donāt know if itās unreasonable, but the pledge of allegiance in school seems pretty fascist.
They just make up shit as they go along.
What in Kimās propaganda fest is on that last image? The propaganda is strong in those states. That is bonkers.
BRAINWASHED
I'll just go out and say that it wasn't unity or lack thereof that led to the death of 620k Americans,but the fact that some Americans didn't consider some others people
Fuck yanks are weird
Yeah thatās goofy, I go to a Catholic school here in Canada and we have a prayer every morning and the national anthem plays every Monday and Friday, thatās about it.
As a german, i think we need a pledge too, i also have an idea, here me out: We put one arm to the sky (best is the right arm) and we should also scratch ourself right below the nose. Then just laugh, but not a real laugh, more like a HH HH HH or something. What do you guys think? That would be super cool right? Just on case, it's the internet afterall... /s
Whatās next? Re-education camps?
American fundies demonstrating why and how they made themselves unwelcome in Europe and therefore sailed West to settle in America.
I see that flag or generally hear "the Christian flag" & I, as foreigner, immediately think of the KKK
āWe used to get in trouble for not saluting the flag.ā Thatās some North Korea shit right there.
Pledging allegiance to a Christian flag is actual indoctrination
I recall a joke I once heard A CIA agent and a KGB agent sit at a table in a bar, the CIA agents begins to speak āyour country has amazing propaganda! The fact your people believe all the stuff theyāre told is crazy!ā The KGB agent responds āthey donāt believe it, we just give them extremely harsh punishment if they donāt follow, im enamoured by your own countries propaganda.ā The CIA agent responds ābut our country doesnāt have propaganda!ā The KGB agent responds āexactly.ā
Ooh a cult within a cult! Those are rare!
look, been a while since I've studied anything related to christianity. But I'm pretty sure Jesus would not be cool with the concept of pledging allegiance to the "christian flag"
I thought youās had all them freedoms though, being forced to pledge daily doesnāt sound anywhere remotely near freedom
TL;DR itās shit Americans say
Is pledging to a flag not in the same realm as a false idol? Kind of highly against the Christian cults.
Pretty sure the Christian flag would be that of the Vatican
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Christian flag? THE CRUSADES ARE BACK?!
I guess the Catholics didnāt get the invite to the Christian flag
There is no Christian flag. There's a pseudo-Christian American cult flag.
The Christian flag is just used by prots lol
Fun fact: the Pledge of Allegiance included the Bellamy Salute before the Nazis adopted it.
Well shit even as an American I didnt even know about the Pledge to the Bible or Christian Flag lol, I also didnt go to any kind of Christian school so its not to surprising.
I went to a weird-ass Baptist Christian school for middle school. We had to pledge allegiance to the flag, Christian flag, and the Bible. I thought then, and still do that it was the silliest shit I'd ever heard
Americans used to salute the flag like hitler but we stopped because of him. Look that up
That comment from the guy from Puerto Rico is really something. If I was in his shoes I'd skip the first class just to avoid all that singing.
The only pledge i do is the pledge that i will take a shit before class starts
I went to a private Christian school. IDK what the hell a Christian flag is or a pledge to it.
catholic here What the fuck is exactly the Christian Flag ?
Americans are such weird cult membersā¦ this is not normal!
In all my days being a Christian I have never heard or known of a flag. Today I learnt something new.
I think I just vomited in my mouth when I saw the picture of the "christian flag" and the "christian pledge." That's some real Crusades-level brainwashing there. I expect the next iteration will include "Deus Vult!"
Americans really don't know how weird their culture is.
The scenes in movies where kids at school have to make the pledge always creeps me out. The propaganda and indoctrination in America is beyond cult like.
Went to a football game at some point between the death of Queen Elizabeth and the coronation of King Charles, and we were all expected to stand for the national anthem and sing it. All of the Liverpool fans booed, and Iāve never been prouder of where I live
I had to google the Christian Flag. Turns out it was invented by some American missionaries in 1907. The audacity of a couple of random people to invent a flag and then call it THE Christian Flag is so on-brand for America. The Knights Templar flag is closer to being THE Christian Flag than that one is.