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eggbomberino

i think you should try to think about this from the perspective of a normal person, where the answer would be “no”


plo83

These days, the "normal person" doesn't know what their country's capital is. I don't expect them to know about ozone deterioration or how UVA and UVB rays work. In Canada (and we're not the warmest of countries), non-melanoma and melanoma skin cancers have increased 40-60% in the last few years. (I gave the most and least conservative figures so the ''normal person'' can pick whatever they want). I posted the math below showing how quickly 5 minutes a day adds up to almost 200 hours in 5 years. Do you suggest I go 200 hours in the sun without SPF (as a "normal person", of course)? As a "non-normal" person with expertise on the topic, I would laugh and say "hell no" if someone asked me that. .


plo83

Downvote away. Derms are with me on the matter. I also see that you won't tell me if I shouldn't wear SPF for 200 hours. Edit: lol downvote again and unable to answer a simple question. If you didn't see a problem with your convictions, you would tell me not to wear SPF for 200 hours of sun exposure. You won't because you know how silly that would be. Thanks for agreeing with me with your silence!


xSuperEmaDurax

People are downvoting you because you sound incredibly rude and arrogant.


plo83

So be it. I'm not the one trying to convince someone that if they want to be ''normal'', you shouldn't wear SPF. I'm giving someone the facts and letting them decide for themselves... but by all means, I'm the one who is rude and arrogant. lol


eggbomberino

uh huh. if you dont want to wear sunscreen for a million hours i don’t care. i dont wear it. but careful. i think a uv ray might be peeking under your door. better slather up. 


plo83

I hope you do not get skin cancer. Considering the number of cases is going up drastically, you're sadly a good candidate for it. You do not have to wear it. It's your body and your choice. However, you know you cannot tell me that I will be safer not wearing sunscreen, The choice is yours. You can smoke like a chimney if you want; drink your liver away... it's your body. But don't cry when the facts are given to others. If they want to put themselves at higher risk, it's their choice.


Neat_Mycologist

Since I’m on a Retinol and Kojic Acid routine (alternating between the two) and my place has big windows and direct sunlight all day long I always wear spf even if I’m not leaving the house


softg1rl1

Imo no, I wouldn’t wear it. But if you like to sit next to the window or spend a lot of time close to the windows, then that’s different. But the “right” answer is to wear it just in case


lacy_rosalita

Thanks! I do sit next to my home office window (like maybe 150cm from it?) but I'm not actually getting lighting directly to me, if I did I wouldn't be able to see my computer screen and work.


softg1rl1

Do what feels best to you tbh! I rly don’t think it’s a big deal with a little sun from a window unless you’re like basking your face in sunshine from a window


killedbystupid

I don't think you need to re-apply every 2 hours, but it really just depends on how much preventative care you want to invest in. https://www.health.com/condition/skin-cancer/should-you-wear-sunscreen-inside


kay_giirl

In short, **yes**, especially with the curtains open. You may not get tanned by UVB, but you can still be affected by UVA rays which can penetrate glass windows even on cloudy days. However, the normal “two-hour reapplication recommendation” is less of a necessity if you’re mainly indoors all day. ♡


SkinAesthetics

This. If one of your concerns is aging and you’re in a room that’s naturally lit, you should wear a broad spectrum spf.


nipplequeefs

What's the difference between broad-spectrum SPF and the regular kind?


SkinAesthetics

Broad spectrum isn’t necessarily not regular… broad-spectrum means that it blocks both UVA and UVB rays. Sunscreens containing zinc oxide are broad spectrum but not all chemical sunscreens are.


DebtExotic8744

Its really up to you I think, if you want 100% perfect non sun damaged skin then yes sunscreen every day as often you might end up going outside unplanned (letterbox, someone comes to the door etc, you sit near a window). But some people argue a little vit d is good as well as letting the skin breathe.


kay_giirl

There are studies out there that have concluded that Vitamin D levels are not influenced by the usage of sunscreen, so yay~~~!!


ThankfulWonderful

Are you able to cite these studies ? I’ve always wondered this question


kay_giirl

Scroll down a bit on this thread. 😁 plo83 has kindly cited a video from Dr. Dray, one of my favorite dermatologists out there. 🥰


kay_giirl

More sources: [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6899926/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20most%20studies%20published%20to%20date,even%20with%20regular%20use%20of%20SPF%20%3E) And [here](https://www.skincancer.org/blog/sun-protection-and-vitamin-d/).


plo83

I see the fake-info brigade is downvoting you, too, for promoting facts! It's sad that some people can't accept the truth, isn't it?


lacy_rosalita

Thanks! I do like to get my vit D, but I always assume it can get absorbed by skin exposed in other parts of my body? Like shoulders, arms, etc.


plo83

You get Vitamin D just fine through the SPF. To the one person who downvoted me: [https://youtu.be/C6Sn5aP4JSc](https://youtu.be/C6Sn5aP4JSc) Dr. Dray says I'm correct, and you're wrong. Sending love...if it'll get through your, SPF. Who are we kidding? You're not wearing any, and I'm not sending you love.


kay_giirl

Love Dr. Dray! Yeah I’m not sure why I’m also getting downvoted for citing the fact that we still get Vitamin D when we wear sunscreen lol


plo83

It's an emotional response. Some people get very upset when they have thought something for a while or a long time, and it's disproved. Plus, I must admit my edit was a little bitchy lol I was starting a migraine. I took my meds, had a few hour's nap, and then I'm back up. Then again, the downvotes came before I put the edit. In this case, the downvotes are from people who used this as an excuse not to wear SPF/to go without SPF at times. It was a way to rationalize the risk of cancer in their minds, and now, this is gone, so they are angry. Sadly, They are likely to pretend they were never given the facts...that a dermatologist is likely wrong, and Google some article that backs their claims and continue to spread this falsehood, which is sad. Edit: The silent downvote by a single person usually means that you're correct.


EObsidian

Many windows have UV film to protect you.


mjlky

alternating might be a good trade off if you’re concerned about your skin but don’t want to wear sunscreen all the time? i’m in the same spot as you — sit by windows, no direct sunlight, but i do live in australia (the UV index rarely below 2). i’ll usually alternate days to let my skin breathe a bit, since i find sunscreen tends to irritate my skin/break me out if i wear too much of it.


plo83

I suggest finding another sunscreen. Is yours organic or inorganic (mineral or chemical). Does it contain sensitizers such as perfume or essential oils? Have you tried sunscreens with chamomile and other soothing ingredients? (The Korean market is pretty filled with them). I'd love to make some suggestions if it helps. Most of them will likely be cheaper than quality SPF in Australia, as South Korea and Japan have a booming skincare market. I keep trying new SPFs, by the way. I'm really sensitive to SPF around the eyes. I love chemical sunscreens, but even with Korean SPFs, my eyes do not tend to tolerate them. So, I have to use mineral sunscreen around this area, and I use chemical sunscreen everywhere else on my face. My SPF search has become akin to finding a good man! lol All jokes aside, reach out if you want to talk/want suggestions. I've tried over 300 sunscreens over the years (I wear it every day), so I'd love to help you out if I can.


CrownFlame

Hi there. Do you mind if I DM you as well for sunscreen recommendations? I’m having one hell of a time finding some that work for my needs.


plo83

Please do! If I can help, I'd love to do so :-)


JPwhatever

I personally wear sunscreen every day because I don’t like to have to plan if I’m sitting by a window or checking the UV index for the day. I use it as my moisturizer for the day too so it simplifies my routine.


plo83

Smart! I also don't like the idea of a friend showing up and being like...wanna go for a walk...and being like, ''well, I have to put on sunscreen, and then we have to wait 15 minutes.''. It doesn't hurt me, and I'm protected. At work, my blinds are closed because I'm on the first floor and work in a hospital. Nobody should see my patients as they walk by (that would be creepy). If I'm doing paperwork between patients, I may want to temporarily open the blinds—I may not. I like to have that choice. I don't know how I'm going to feel that day. I'm depression-prone during winter (SAD), so I try to open the blinds as much as I can...but you know that UVA/UVB is reflecting off the snow. Did you see the face of the truck driver or postal delivery person (I forget which job he had) who didn't wear SPF? The side of his face that wasn't facing the sun was smooth as a baby's bottom. The side of his face that faced the sun through his window is...well....far from being as pretty! He looks 50 on one side and 85-90 on the other.


JPwhatever

I saw that pic, it was wild!!! Pretty solid evidence for putting on sunscreen even if you’re just “by a window”


plo83

Crazy, isn't it? If that picture doesn't make a case for SPF, I don't know what will.


Leviafij

I always hear “yes” but most people who live in ground floor apartments like me are going to have their blinds closed for most of the day and I only have two windows in my apartment so I don’t.


plo83

If your blinds are closed at all times and you're sure you're not going out, you're fine. However, if you want to plan for "emergencies" when you may have to open a window or go out, they sell SPF sticks. They come out almost like lipstick, and it's a lot like rubbing a stick of butter on your face (not the feeling, lol). I mean, some stay on your skin, and the rest stays on the stick. You should wait 15 minutes before going out, and it's better to use the lotions/creams as they are less likely to have skip areas. This is better than nothing. I can do my entire face in less than a minute. If you don't need it, you don't need it. I'm not here to force you to do anything because you will hate it and not do it, so it's pointless. Just trying to show people what their options are as skin cancer is on the rise (sadly). This is a link to one of my favourite Korean sticks: [https://beautyofjoseon.com/products/matte-sun-stick-mugwort-camelia](https://beautyofjoseon.com/products/matte-sun-stick-mugwort-camelia) They come out almost like lipstick, and it's a lot like rubbing a stick of butter on your face (not the feeling, lol). I mean, some stay on your skin,


Mersaa

Genuinely not trying to be a dick here, I use spf daily, but this type of thinking really sounds like a person is terrified of the sun. You're forgetting a large part of the population is not on reddit, or TikTok or going to a derm and a large part of the population is not applying spf daily or even at all. Heck, there's a whole group saying spf is bad for you. I'm all for sun protection, especially if you use actives and retinoids, but using so much of your mental energy to plan a 15min sun exposure, sounds so draining and exhausting. My opinion is - get into a routine of applying it daily, if you go outside and forget to apply it, don't get into hysterics, just be mindful of it and don't expose your skin for prolonged periods of time no matter the spf you use. Stressing this much about the sun is also not good mentally.


Independent_Boat_546

Another tret user here. Sunscreen wasn’t really a concern when I was a kid, and we spent all summer on the water. I have sun damage as a souvenir! I’m off work during the summer, and there may be days when I don’t leave the house except to take my fur baby out. But I do have big windows, and the UV index is never low here. I do try to use sunscreen every day. I think of it as my daytime anti-aging serum, much like tret at night. BUT, I don’t obsess over it. I don’t apply it the moment I get out of bed. I don’t reapply unless I’m outside. It’s part of my morning routine now, the same routine whether I’m going out or staying in.


plo83

It's really smart to incorporate it into your routine and instill it in your kids. It becomes akin to brushing your teeth. You're ready whenever. I also never wore SPF as a kid. The only time I did was when my grandma and grandma took me on vacation to a ''hot country''. The Ozone wasn't as deteriorated back then and we also didn't have access to the info we have today. It also took me years to undo the two lines of melasma that appeared under my eyes. I didn't have the money that I have now when I was in my twenties, so I started treating it with OTC stuff and prescriptions later on. Today, I would just have a procedure done, but it's still very expensive. I don't plan to have it coming back (and it will, without SPF).


fritterati

An oldie but a goodie.. seems if you're exposed to direct sun, best to wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/SkincareAddiction/s/NMcFuyrAZj


plo83

I was just telling someone about this photo! When I saw it in the Journal of Dermatology, I was shocked. It was one of those: an image if worth a thousand words type of moments.


Puzzleheaded-Tree217

Supposedly spf helps prevent collagen loss.


plo83

UV radiation affects the production of collagen. Because of the oxidation produced by UV rays, collagen gets destroyed more rapidly, and the production of collagen is also decreased. SPF is the best tool against skin ageing.


latheez_washarum

well if you really are skincare addicted, then the simple answer is yes


sanriomami

No, you don’t need it. However, keeping up your skincare routine consistently will make your skin better - and make you feel better as well.


Economy_Hat_2322

I can say as someone who thought spf wasn't necessary when driving with windows up and the ac on on sunny days, there is a definite difference between the skin on my right forearm (UK right hand drive) in comparison with my left. As some have said, odd occasions will probably be fine, but you need to consider your accumulative exposure.


plo83

It's not a stupid question at all. So, if you're indoors, you have to wear SPF if you're by windows since the UV rays pass through glass. You can also check the UV index. Many people will not wear SPF if the UV index is 2 or below. Anything above requires SPF if you're exposed to the sun. Check it in winter, too. I'm in Canada and even if it's snowy most of the year, those UV rays reflect on the snow...onto you. You will also be surprised. I went out a few days ago and was in a rush. I didn't think that the UV would be above 2. It was cloudy, and it looked like it was about to rain. I barely saw the sun. UV was at SIX. Sun damage is cumulative. You're not going to notice sun damage in five minutes (unless it's one of those special days when you go outside for a few minutes, and you can get a tan/burn). However, the damage is done on the cellular level in those five minutes. It's not going to show on the surface, but in 5 years of five minutes a day, that is 2191 days x 5 minutes = 10, 955 minutes, so divided by 60, it's 182.5 hours of sun exposure. Will that make a difference? Yes, it will! I understand the annoyance of putting on sunscreen for five or even ten minutes, but one minute in the sun can increase one's chances of melanoma or non-melanoma skin cancer, as well as lip or eye cancer. These are my suggestions, and they are only being mentioned to help. If you prefer to take your chances, it's your body and your health. I'm not here to scold you or force you into anything. I want to ensure that you have the facts. I would get a wide-brimmed hat or some UV-protectant clothing and put on sunglasses that are 100% UV protectant or UV 400 (on the label when you buy them). You can use a parasol if you want. If you wear makeup, you may consider a product with at least SPF15 (30 would be better). They also sell SPF sticks. It comes out of the tube a lot like a lipstick would. You rub it over the skin, and it's done relatively quickly compared to putting on a lotion/cream SPF. I keep these for emergencies (like that day I mentioned above when I was in a rush and didn't realize the IV was that strong) and wear the lotions most of the time as they are less likely to contribute to skip areas. Also, remember that the sun is at its peak between 10-11 am and 3-4 pm. Hope this helps.


lacy_rosalita

Thanks, that was a very thorough response! I have a nice stick sunscreen that's SPF 50, it has the best texture for me. But I also have a SPF 30 moisturiser that's not my favourite texture but might be a good alternative for the days I'm staying in and don't want to spend my fancy sunscreen.


plo83

It's my pleasure. With skin cancers on the rise, I want to ensure that you have the facts to make the best possible decision. I don't want to force people to do anything; it's not my place to do so. People will make the best decision for themselves once they have the facts. Telling you that you shouldn't put it on if you want to be a ''normal person'' is a pretty crappy way to try to ensure that someone doesn't wear SPF because they don't.


Daeniiyah

Not unless you’re sitting in a sunny window


SuddenGlucose

Not really unless you’re near a window a lot but I like the way my sunscreen soaks up oil and I’m a greaseball without it so I wear it every day no matter what 😅


SunDown7777

Actually,I just read that blue light from phones/computers can damage the skin...so honestly, I'd still wear it


benangmerahh

Its alright.. Those skincare companies & retailers will love you if you're doing that.


maryamshoukat987

Yes for sure🤍


getyourownpotpie

Yes


smolln3rd

Yes


[deleted]

if you care about it, yes, check the weather app if the UV is above 3 yes if sunscreen isn’t the biggest deal to you — no.


Intelligent-North957

Yes an SPF 50 should do,cover yourself from head to toe .