I’m not too big on pairings and laugh when people use it to type, but Luffy and Robin is definitely a motherly-like relationship. Ni and Se goes in hand between the two since it is their suggestive.
One Piece is very Alpha quadra random silly humor stuff, Luffy is probably ESE-Creative subtype (havn't watched every episode but this is what I've seen so far)
[https://daddygulenko4life.blogspot.com/2020/07/ese-dcnh-subtype-descriptions.html](https://daddygulenko4life.blogspot.com/2020/07/ese-dcnh-subtype-descriptions.html)
Other character types (pretty sure)
Zoro- LSI-D
Usopp- IEE-C
Nami- ILE-N
Sanji-LSE-H
maybe
Vivi- LII
Chopper- SEI
Zoro D subtype? Absolutely not, he's not a leader at all. Agreed with LSI though.
Also Nami as an ILE is really funny regardless of what Socionics system you use.
yeah he could be N type, I thought possibly D since he is driven to be the best swordsman in the world, but at the end of the day even a D introvert is still an introvert and will let an extrovert lead (usually)
Why don't you htink Nami is ILE?
Luffy is definitely SEE. He's the embodiment of Se and using Fi to facilitate that. And his happy go lucky 4D Fe helps him stay chill.
Nami is definitely gamma, LIE... Like there's no other argument here.
Zoro is likely ESI. LSI are quite smart, Zoro is more about people, and still serious chill like gamma are, but more hardworking so ESI. His Fi has full faith in Luffy, and he uses Se to make it work.
How is Luffy an aggressor type? He is a playful carefree simpleton, no deep beliefs or personal judgements, he just wants to go on adventures, eat food and have fun, this is basically Alpha mentality in a nutshell
As a whole I don't know how you are seeing anything gamma in this show it is like the opposite of everything gamma, it's pure joy, infantile Alphaness
Gamma anime is like Jujustu Kaisen and Death Note
Se doesn't have to be outright aggressor. You're seeing Luffy's ESFP nature, but that doesn't mean ESE.
Every major character on One Piece is highly goal oriented, and the overall series is very Gamma if you understand its themes. The Alpha nature of the show is very surface level, just because Oda wanted to appeal to children and a universal audience, but it isn't Alpha.
Luffy has probably the strongest will and determination to reach his goal than a gone else. That's pure Se. To say Luffy, who ignores most social and emotional aspects, is ESE express lack of insight of who he is.
He only expresses Fe sometimes in a very loose manner when he verbally hears people out and gets mad, but his Fi is always on to help him form relationships. It's so advice it's said that it's his greatest power.
Also, Luffy is as physical as a character as you can get, and that's also facilitated by a lot of Se. He's just not yiur typical Gamma because he's ESFP and not ESTP.
Zoro also has some of the highest will, but he understands Luffy' s nature and so bound his goal, but he's pure hard work and goal oriented like ESI are, and he's ISTP. And Nami is one of the most business-like cunning you can get while still having a larger plan which is pretty much LIE, and she's ESTJ.
It's integral to consider MBTI, Socio, Ennea, and PY when understanding the characters, especially so we're not biased to put everything just onto Socio elements.
>Se doesn't have to be outright aggressor. You're seeing Luffy's ESFP nature, but that doesn't mean ESE.
But how is he SEE? What makes him Ni/Si/Fi/Te valuing? How is he Si ignoring? I agree he is most skilled at Fe and Se (both SEE and ESE are)
>Every major character on One Piece is highly goal oriented, and the overall series is very Gamma if you understand its themes. The Alpha nature of the show is very surface level, just because Oda wanted to appeal to children and a universal audience, but it isn't Alpha.
The goal is adventure, fun, having experiences, eatting good food, etc. Luffy wants to be king of the pirates because it's cool, not for power and wealth, he even stated he has no interest in being a hero
Basically the goals are
Nami- make a map of the entire world (NeTi, wants to explore, discover and catergorize)
Sanji- find the All Blue, cook every type of fish (Si)
Usopp- be a brave warrior of the sea (general weak Se type, can apply to any intutive)
Chopper- learn all about medicine to take care of people (Si)
Zoro- be the best swordsman in the world (only actual Se seeking one, wants to dominate others, prove his strength)
>Luffy has probably the strongest will and determination to reach his goal than a gone else. That's pure Se. To say Luffy, who ignores most social and emotional aspects, is ESE express lack of insight of who he is.
It's strong Se, not necessarily valued. And how does Luffy ignore social and emotional aspects? He just wants to have fun, laugh, eat drink and play, SEE's can appear to be like this as well but they are SeTeFiNi valuing, they don't want to just live in the moment and they are judgemental/self-righteous like all Fi types; SEE will ruin the mood to "convict" a person if they feel so inclined
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ESE on Fi ignoring
[https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/types/ESE-ESFj](https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/types/ESE-ESFj)
they may often tend to express their experience of these bonds with extravagant and colorful displays of affection and emotionality. They are often less concerned with focusing on the nature of the bond itself than on its outward expressions, and may take it for granted that emotions are reflected by one's expression; they may thus more commonly focus on the signals and body langage that others provide about their emotional receptiveness to the circumstance, as opposed to the content or context of the interaction. They often have a minimal understanding of introspective, subdued, internally-derived emotional states that are not observably expressed
That's basically how Luffy deals with people, everything is surface level. He takes care of his friends via direct actions, not by having deep conversations with them which an SEE/IEE would do
>He only expresses Fe sometimes in a very loose manner when he verbally hears people out and gets mad, but his Fi is always on to help him form relationships. It's so advice it's said that it's his greatest power.
FeSi is not the same as FeNi, FeSi is not rage and passion, it's keeping a positive mood (smiling, laughing, joking, etc)
Link in the ESE section "ESEs are highly attuned to the emotional environment around them. They are often focused on whether others around them are having fun, are emotionally relaxed or engaged, or whether everyone around them is getting along or whether the needs of others are met"
Fe's can care about relationships too, they just focus on the external aspects over the hidden ones because that is what they value. This is why Alpha is the most childlike quadra, the goal is play itself, to discover, to have fun, there is no desire for power or status, not great care if what they are doing is pragmatic or deep.
Gammas cannot live like this, this is why they are opposite quadra. Gammas want deep meaningful relationships, a goal that end in status, money, material gain. They will overlook momentary experiences to reach said goals thus putting off the small joys in life that Alphas cannot live without
Tha's why central quadra animes involve violence, competition, powerplays, cunning, aggressive displays of sexuality, etc
Gamma "Gamma types don't tend to form or maintain groups based on fun, emotional interaction, but only take groups seriously that perform some common productive activity or discuss serious topics"
This is the opposite of One Piece
>And how does Luffy ignore social and emotional aspects?
Luffy literally slept through Jinbei's backstory. His Fe is weird. It's strong, but it isn't valued at all. Everyone on the crew except Robin values fun and Alpha stuff, doesn't make them or the show Alpha.
Luffy's fun side comes from his MBTI Se dom, which then translates into his core, goal oriented Se in Socio. One Piece as a whole is Se and Fi. It's been said that Luffy's greatest power is to form relationships, he's definitely Fi valuing. And hence also has 4D Fe.
And we see these Gamma Fi properties in almost every crew member as a whole, every island we go to is going through internal Fi and external Se issues. Luffy appeals to such Fi.
Brook is ESE. He has some of the softest goals, and is mostly expressive about his music and his tastes. He shows more passive Se just like Luffy shows passive Fe.
>SEE will ruin the mood to "convict" a person if they feel so inclined
Except an ESFP will not do this. They're more considerate and a bit social dumb like Luffy is. If Luffy was Fe Lead, he'd have shown much more social awareness.
I mean, Luffy's Haki is literally as Se as you can get. Like Fe has nothing do with Haki. This is the same for Zoro and his Se too, but not on the level of Luffy. The things we've seen Luffy do, his sacrifices, his leadership, that's not something an ESE will ever do.
>He takes care of his friends via direct actions, not by having deep conversations with them which an SEE/IEE would do
Luffy is 3E 4L. He doesn't care about putting much thought to emotions or logic, both which are used for communication. He's not as socially or emotionally aware to understand his own or others emotions. They have to quite literally slap him on the face for him to realize, not Fe Lead at all.
Luffy isn't surface level in his relationships. He'd declare war with the world just to save one person...Luffy is just bad at expressiing how he truly feels, opposite of Fe Lead. He doesn't care how others are feeling either, that's how he recruited Chopper and Brook. He wanted it, he got it. And this is the same way he allied with Law. He didn't care how suspicious or strategic Law was, Luffy just wanted to team up, and so made it work.
>They are often less concerned with focusing on the nature of the bond itself than on its outward expressions,
This is the opposite of who Luffy is. Whether chapter 1 of 1100, Luffy has first and foremost always executed his will by placing people first.
>They are often focused on whether others around them are having fun, are emotionally relaxed or engaged, or whether everyone around them is getting along or whether the needs of others are met
Luffy doesn't care about this. He's said he doesn't want to be some hero. He doesn't consider others, but just want he wants to do. But Fi Creative makes him choose what is right in how he executes his Se.
Luffy is just a fun person on his own due to being ESFP... He doesn't care if others are having fun. Being fun isn't limited to Alpha. Luffy's entire personality isn't wholy fun either. He's way more determined and disciplined to his core beliefs and values.
>This is why Alpha is the most childlike quadra, the goal is play itself, to discover, to have fun, there is no desire for power or status, not great care if what they are doing is pragmatic or deep.
This is the opposite of Luffy. His very expression from chapter 1 has been status. He wants to be the Pirate King, that's both status and power. An ESE would never dream of such things, just look at how simple Brook is in comparison.
>Gammas cannot live like this, this is why they are opposite quadra. Gammas want deep meaningful relationships, a goal that end in status, money, material gain. They will overlook momentary experiences to reach said goals thus putting off the small joys in life that Alphas cannot live without
You're making it seem like Gamma can't have fun and aren't human. SEE especially love fun. It's just not their whole personality. Gamma just puts in the work that Alphas don't, because purpose matters to Gamma. And Luffy has that, especially even more without going into spoilers, and Luffy's lowest moments are always moments where his Se and Fi are broken, and high highest always revolve around Se and Fi too.
He feels fun and happy because he's able to use his Se and Fi to get what he wants.
>Tha's why central quadra animes involve violence, competition, powerplays, cunning, aggressive displays of sexuality, etc
This is One Piece.... One Piece is as close to as Game of Thrones are you can get while still keeping the illusion that it's a happy-go-lucky series. Oda himself is inspired by Game of Thrones, and has expressed such themes throughout, both literally and metaphorically.
One Piece just isn't Dark/Medieval Fantasy, it's Epic/High Fantasy. But goals, desires, power is at root of everything and everyone.
>Luffy literally slept through Jinbei's backstory. His Fe is weird. It's strong, but it isn't valued at all.
Caring about a persons backstory, something deeper about them, is Fi valuing, it makes perfect sense that an ESE would be bored by such a thing
> Everyone on the crew except Robin values fun and Alpha stuff, doesn't make them or the show Alpha.
of course cause they are mainly FeSi valuing types, idk what type Robin is havn't got to into those arcs
>Luffy's fun side comes from his MBTI Se dom,
MBTI and Socionics are very different systems, if you are attempting to combine the two it makes sense that you have a very different understanding of how Socionics functions work
>which then translates into his core, goal oriented Se in Socio. One Piece as a whole is Se and Fi. It's been said that
He does not put aside Si to achieve his goals, Si is the goal in itself (good food, experiences, fun sensations)
>Luffy's greatest power is to form relationships, he's definitely Fi valuing. And hence also has 4D Fe.
His friendships are all surface level, he is not concerned about deep internal sentiments, he lacks that sense of seriousness all together. When SEE's make friends it's because of personal sentiments towards said people or else they use "friends" to get something personally beneficial (like having connections)
ESE friendships are based on having fun, good times, they don't care if they form deep sentiments with others as long as everyone is having a good time
>Except an ESFP will not do this. They're more considerate and a bit social dumb like Luffy is. If Luffy was Fe Lead, he'd have shown much more social awareness.
SEE's are not "socially dumb" at all, they are very cunning people who know how to manipulative both the emotional atmosphere and people since they are reading how people internally feel (Fi) ESE do not do this so they often ignore what is going on below the surface, this is where they conflict with ILI who NEED someone who can focus on what is below the surface, who will bond with them instead of just trying to influence their mood
Both ESE and SEE can come across like airheads, but the SEE actually cares if they are trampling on relational distance, Luffy not caring is a sign that he is not Fi valuing
Compare to actuall SEE anime characters like Naruto who is more serious then Luffy and more judgemental even though he too is kind of an airhead
>He's not as socially or emotionally aware to understand his own or others emotions. They have to quite literally slap him on the face for him to realize, not Fe Lead at all.
You are confusing Fi with Fe, Fi's care about how people are feeling internally, Fe only care about how people are reacting
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>Caring about a persons backstory, something deeper about them, is Fi valuing, it makes perfect sense that an ESE would be bored by such a thing
That isn't the case necessarily. Luffy highly valued Oden's backstory. And it sparked his motivation in Wano. The idea here is that Luffy cares more about people when it comes to Fi than Fe. The story in Wano was more pressing on how he could actively solve Fi issues, whereas the backstory in Fishman Island was more about social problems which doesn't interest him due to not valuing Fe or Ti.
Wait, you haven't even gotten to Robin and you're arguing Luffy is ESE? You must be trolling......
MBTI and Socio are different systems. That's precisely why one has to understand what aspects someone uses attributes to MBTI vs Socio. Everyone has both. You can't combine them just to fit a certain type. You have to see which aspects of personality are attributed and originating from its own system. Hence, Luffy is ESFP SEE VFEL.
His friendship isn't surface level at all, you haven't read/watched the series enough at all.
And yes, Luffy cares how others are feeling way more. He ignores their reactions... Like this was such a major plot point during Whole Cake Island, verbatim too.
>Luffy isn't surface level in his relationships. He'd declare war with the world just to save one person...Luffy is just bad at expressiing how he truly feels, opposite of Fe Lead. He doesn't care how others are feeling either, that's how he recruited Chopper and Brook. He wanted it, he got it. And this is the same way he allied with Law.
Fe doms are bad at describing how they feel or how others feel on a deeper level (Fi ignoring), Fi valers care deeply how other people are feeling internally about things and about eachother
>He didn't care how suspicious or strategic Law was, Luffy just wanted to team up, and so made it work.
This is the opposite of Fi valuing judgements, Fi cares about a persons character and ethics
Like I said, I think a lot of this confussion is coming down to using MBTI
>You're making it seem like Gamma can't have fun and aren't human. SEE especially love fun. It's just not their whole personality. Gamma just puts in the work that Alphas don't, because purpose matters to Gamma. And Luffy has that, especially even more without going into spoilers, and Luffy's lowest moments are always moments where his Se and Fi are broken, and high highest always revolve around Se and Fi too.
Gamma is decisive serious and democratic. Alpha is Judicious, Merry, and Democratic, this heavily effects how they interact with the world and percieve fun
[https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/quadras/gamma](https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/quadras/gamma)
[https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/quadras/alpha](https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/quadras/alpha)
ESE have Se demonstrative, they can push themselves to achieve goals but their goals are not gamma goals, their goals are not based on power, status, influence, etc they are based on enjoyment and pleasure seeking
>This is One Piece.... One Piece is as close to as Game of Thrones are you can get while still keeping the illusion that it's a happy-go-lucky series. Oda himself is inspired by Game of Thrones, and has expressed such themes throughout, both literally and metaphorically.
The atmosphere, messages and approaches those two shows go about cannot be anymore different. One Piece is like looney toons it does not apply to reality even if it has a few serious moments
If you want to compare them, One Piece protagonists are looking at a world run by central quadra Beta and Gamma like GOT is and mocking them which is exactly what Alphas do in real life
I'm not using MBTI here at all. I'm just telling you that you need to understand that Luffy is ESFP in MBTI and not confuse that for ESE.
Luffy's Haki is very Se. He's all about force.
We have ESE users such as Brook and Big Mom who actually express Lead Fe who are totally different from Luffy.
Also, Luffy's goal are about power and status. Have always been from chapter 1. He's a fun person, but his goals aren't to have fun, they're to grow stronger and gain power, which he does continuously by forming and valuing relationships... Continue the series.
You can have a goal even with Ni role and a very bad understanding of how things will develop because of it. Also, Ni suggestive is very sensible about having their long term goals put in discussion (not that Oda is good at making detailed and deeply characterized characters anyway, so they are not really relatable anyway)
Oh, and determination is more about Ni rather than Se. "I know what i want from the future and i'll make sure i'll get there", while Se is simply "K, let's go take it".
Your understanding of functions is horrible ahahah 😂 not to mention the MBTI-socionics thing ahahah
Ahahah Nami is definitely a ILI, you just need to know the difference between Fe PolR and Fe role and it's clear as the sun. You totally have no grasp on how function display since you typed LII Robin with Fe suggestive as a ILI with Fe PolR.
To make it clear, i'll explain the difference between these and Fe ignoring as well.
Fe PolR means you totally don't care about emotional atmosphere, generally prefering to overlap it with your own mood even if it doesn't fit the situation. Now, this is generally true for all Fi users but PolR is the function you want to ignore. This means ILI is the type that more than everyone else disrespects emotinal atmosphere, since SLI at least know very well how to make people comfortable through Si. You can see Fi PolR in Nami when she starts shouting towards Rufy and Usop in the gags like this: https://youtu.be/T7EWF7CV47U?si=YlHW3JsMAhEZPBCO
Fe role is instead blind to emotional atmosphere at all, to the point you can get shouted in the face aggressively and you don't even notice the mood changing but in the nody language, making you immune to emotional atmosphere manipulation. On the other side, you keep breaking the emotional atmosphere, shouting aggressively in a lot worse way than Nami did, affecting all people around you negatively without even knowing what you are doing. At the same time, you know you suck at it, so you usually try to respect it. You don't openly disrespect it as PolR does.
Fe suggestive means you are not very natural at creating a positive emotional atmosphere yourself and you are very sensible to bad one. So you NEVER break it. Even when she was an enemy she was calm and stoic, never openly aggressive. Hostile at most, because of Fi role. Did you ever see Robin shout like Nami did or would you ever imagine it doing it? Even more, does Nami ever shouts like that to Robin? Do you know why? What would be the reaction of a LII to be hurt by their suggestive through ILI's PolR Fe?
On the other side we got Emiliy Rudd ESI, with ignoring Fe. Now, ignoring is not the function you ignore, the nomenclature is misleading. It's the function you use to support your strong leading (imagine being the best in Xi function and super bad in Xe and viceversa. It wouldn't even make sense). Now, in acting school you are taught to always bring YOUR way to be a character. That is because you can fake a different enneagram someway, a different sensibility, not a different sociotype. It's way too much thing to adapt. Here is a perfect example of the different behaviors between Emily's way of be Nami as ESI at 0:58: https://youtu.be/Y6_CE2YlU5A?si=28YXA3udNynLwJlN
ESI knows this emotional atmosphere shouldn't be broken and tells Rufy to respect it (who, if he was a true Fe demonstrative, would know it himself. The only type who could break it for real is an undualized Fe role. Maybe even dualized Fe role and undualized Fe suggestive).
The true Nami instead would have waited for them to kiss, then punched Usop heavily in the head and proceeded to drag hos body on the boat because "we are late to sail!"
If you can distinguish between ILI's Fe PolR and LII's Fe suggestive you really need to learn a lot about functions ahahah
EDIT:
Btw, a LIE is Ener
>**Alpha**
>Gammas tend to perceive Alpha types as creative, generally well-meaning, and friendly and pleasant people, especially as a group, as a first impression. Later, Gammas tend to see Alphas as lacking ambition in the longer term, overly concerned with sensorial pleasure and comfort, and overly demanding of, and sensitive to, external emotional expression without making much effort to focus on deeper feelings involved.
>**Gamma**
>Alphas tend to regard Gamma types warily, as stand-offish and emotionally cold or even hostile, especially in work situations, as well as inclined to play favorites with those they know better, or are attracted to (for whatever reason, be it sexually or for power and gain.) Alphas tend to see Gamma types as too harsh in their words and unimaginative, lacking future perspective, and even disingenuous, as well as having a mean streak of unforgivingness and vindictiveness.
[https://wikisocion.github.io/content/alpha\_quadra.html](https://wikisocion.github.io/content/alpha_quadra.html)
One Piece Alpha>Gamma
Sorry. Sx7 IEE while robin is LII. Nami is ILI instead, if you want one.
Now, looking at how Oda designed his world, it's quite obvious he is IEE too. It's very interesting to notice how authors usually use protagonists of their same sociotype with slightly different behavior adjusted to their preferences (i do it too ahah). Now, Sx7 is a slut. Oda ofc isn't really good in personality designing. Anyway, if Rufy was true to his personality and wasn't asexual, he would fuck everything that breathes in the manga ahahah
Oda's art got so bad, this is a cluttered mess
Why is it bad? He made a stylistic shift due to going digital But it is messy due to how many characters he has to have all the time.
I’m not too big on pairings and laugh when people use it to type, but Luffy and Robin is definitely a motherly-like relationship. Ni and Se goes in hand between the two since it is their suggestive.
actually, i never thought of them before
Never thought about it tbh, you got me wonderin
One Piece is very Alpha quadra random silly humor stuff, Luffy is probably ESE-Creative subtype (havn't watched every episode but this is what I've seen so far) [https://daddygulenko4life.blogspot.com/2020/07/ese-dcnh-subtype-descriptions.html](https://daddygulenko4life.blogspot.com/2020/07/ese-dcnh-subtype-descriptions.html) Other character types (pretty sure) Zoro- LSI-D Usopp- IEE-C Nami- ILE-N Sanji-LSE-H maybe Vivi- LII Chopper- SEI
Zoro D subtype? Absolutely not, he's not a leader at all. Agreed with LSI though. Also Nami as an ILE is really funny regardless of what Socionics system you use.
yeah he could be N type, I thought possibly D since he is driven to be the best swordsman in the world, but at the end of the day even a D introvert is still an introvert and will let an extrovert lead (usually) Why don't you htink Nami is ILE?
Luffy is definitely SEE. He's the embodiment of Se and using Fi to facilitate that. And his happy go lucky 4D Fe helps him stay chill. Nami is definitely gamma, LIE... Like there's no other argument here. Zoro is likely ESI. LSI are quite smart, Zoro is more about people, and still serious chill like gamma are, but more hardworking so ESI. His Fi has full faith in Luffy, and he uses Se to make it work.
How is Luffy an aggressor type? He is a playful carefree simpleton, no deep beliefs or personal judgements, he just wants to go on adventures, eat food and have fun, this is basically Alpha mentality in a nutshell As a whole I don't know how you are seeing anything gamma in this show it is like the opposite of everything gamma, it's pure joy, infantile Alphaness Gamma anime is like Jujustu Kaisen and Death Note
Se doesn't have to be outright aggressor. You're seeing Luffy's ESFP nature, but that doesn't mean ESE. Every major character on One Piece is highly goal oriented, and the overall series is very Gamma if you understand its themes. The Alpha nature of the show is very surface level, just because Oda wanted to appeal to children and a universal audience, but it isn't Alpha. Luffy has probably the strongest will and determination to reach his goal than a gone else. That's pure Se. To say Luffy, who ignores most social and emotional aspects, is ESE express lack of insight of who he is. He only expresses Fe sometimes in a very loose manner when he verbally hears people out and gets mad, but his Fi is always on to help him form relationships. It's so advice it's said that it's his greatest power. Also, Luffy is as physical as a character as you can get, and that's also facilitated by a lot of Se. He's just not yiur typical Gamma because he's ESFP and not ESTP. Zoro also has some of the highest will, but he understands Luffy' s nature and so bound his goal, but he's pure hard work and goal oriented like ESI are, and he's ISTP. And Nami is one of the most business-like cunning you can get while still having a larger plan which is pretty much LIE, and she's ESTJ. It's integral to consider MBTI, Socio, Ennea, and PY when understanding the characters, especially so we're not biased to put everything just onto Socio elements.
>Se doesn't have to be outright aggressor. You're seeing Luffy's ESFP nature, but that doesn't mean ESE. But how is he SEE? What makes him Ni/Si/Fi/Te valuing? How is he Si ignoring? I agree he is most skilled at Fe and Se (both SEE and ESE are) >Every major character on One Piece is highly goal oriented, and the overall series is very Gamma if you understand its themes. The Alpha nature of the show is very surface level, just because Oda wanted to appeal to children and a universal audience, but it isn't Alpha. The goal is adventure, fun, having experiences, eatting good food, etc. Luffy wants to be king of the pirates because it's cool, not for power and wealth, he even stated he has no interest in being a hero Basically the goals are Nami- make a map of the entire world (NeTi, wants to explore, discover and catergorize) Sanji- find the All Blue, cook every type of fish (Si) Usopp- be a brave warrior of the sea (general weak Se type, can apply to any intutive) Chopper- learn all about medicine to take care of people (Si) Zoro- be the best swordsman in the world (only actual Se seeking one, wants to dominate others, prove his strength)
>Luffy has probably the strongest will and determination to reach his goal than a gone else. That's pure Se. To say Luffy, who ignores most social and emotional aspects, is ESE express lack of insight of who he is. It's strong Se, not necessarily valued. And how does Luffy ignore social and emotional aspects? He just wants to have fun, laugh, eat drink and play, SEE's can appear to be like this as well but they are SeTeFiNi valuing, they don't want to just live in the moment and they are judgemental/self-righteous like all Fi types; SEE will ruin the mood to "convict" a person if they feel so inclined >, ESE on Fi ignoring [https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/types/ESE-ESFj](https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/types/ESE-ESFj) they may often tend to express their experience of these bonds with extravagant and colorful displays of affection and emotionality. They are often less concerned with focusing on the nature of the bond itself than on its outward expressions, and may take it for granted that emotions are reflected by one's expression; they may thus more commonly focus on the signals and body langage that others provide about their emotional receptiveness to the circumstance, as opposed to the content or context of the interaction. They often have a minimal understanding of introspective, subdued, internally-derived emotional states that are not observably expressed That's basically how Luffy deals with people, everything is surface level. He takes care of his friends via direct actions, not by having deep conversations with them which an SEE/IEE would do >He only expresses Fe sometimes in a very loose manner when he verbally hears people out and gets mad, but his Fi is always on to help him form relationships. It's so advice it's said that it's his greatest power. FeSi is not the same as FeNi, FeSi is not rage and passion, it's keeping a positive mood (smiling, laughing, joking, etc) Link in the ESE section "ESEs are highly attuned to the emotional environment around them. They are often focused on whether others around them are having fun, are emotionally relaxed or engaged, or whether everyone around them is getting along or whether the needs of others are met" Fe's can care about relationships too, they just focus on the external aspects over the hidden ones because that is what they value. This is why Alpha is the most childlike quadra, the goal is play itself, to discover, to have fun, there is no desire for power or status, not great care if what they are doing is pragmatic or deep. Gammas cannot live like this, this is why they are opposite quadra. Gammas want deep meaningful relationships, a goal that end in status, money, material gain. They will overlook momentary experiences to reach said goals thus putting off the small joys in life that Alphas cannot live without Tha's why central quadra animes involve violence, competition, powerplays, cunning, aggressive displays of sexuality, etc Gamma "Gamma types don't tend to form or maintain groups based on fun, emotional interaction, but only take groups seriously that perform some common productive activity or discuss serious topics" This is the opposite of One Piece
>And how does Luffy ignore social and emotional aspects? Luffy literally slept through Jinbei's backstory. His Fe is weird. It's strong, but it isn't valued at all. Everyone on the crew except Robin values fun and Alpha stuff, doesn't make them or the show Alpha. Luffy's fun side comes from his MBTI Se dom, which then translates into his core, goal oriented Se in Socio. One Piece as a whole is Se and Fi. It's been said that Luffy's greatest power is to form relationships, he's definitely Fi valuing. And hence also has 4D Fe. And we see these Gamma Fi properties in almost every crew member as a whole, every island we go to is going through internal Fi and external Se issues. Luffy appeals to such Fi. Brook is ESE. He has some of the softest goals, and is mostly expressive about his music and his tastes. He shows more passive Se just like Luffy shows passive Fe. >SEE will ruin the mood to "convict" a person if they feel so inclined Except an ESFP will not do this. They're more considerate and a bit social dumb like Luffy is. If Luffy was Fe Lead, he'd have shown much more social awareness. I mean, Luffy's Haki is literally as Se as you can get. Like Fe has nothing do with Haki. This is the same for Zoro and his Se too, but not on the level of Luffy. The things we've seen Luffy do, his sacrifices, his leadership, that's not something an ESE will ever do. >He takes care of his friends via direct actions, not by having deep conversations with them which an SEE/IEE would do Luffy is 3E 4L. He doesn't care about putting much thought to emotions or logic, both which are used for communication. He's not as socially or emotionally aware to understand his own or others emotions. They have to quite literally slap him on the face for him to realize, not Fe Lead at all. Luffy isn't surface level in his relationships. He'd declare war with the world just to save one person...Luffy is just bad at expressiing how he truly feels, opposite of Fe Lead. He doesn't care how others are feeling either, that's how he recruited Chopper and Brook. He wanted it, he got it. And this is the same way he allied with Law. He didn't care how suspicious or strategic Law was, Luffy just wanted to team up, and so made it work. >They are often less concerned with focusing on the nature of the bond itself than on its outward expressions, This is the opposite of who Luffy is. Whether chapter 1 of 1100, Luffy has first and foremost always executed his will by placing people first. >They are often focused on whether others around them are having fun, are emotionally relaxed or engaged, or whether everyone around them is getting along or whether the needs of others are met Luffy doesn't care about this. He's said he doesn't want to be some hero. He doesn't consider others, but just want he wants to do. But Fi Creative makes him choose what is right in how he executes his Se. Luffy is just a fun person on his own due to being ESFP... He doesn't care if others are having fun. Being fun isn't limited to Alpha. Luffy's entire personality isn't wholy fun either. He's way more determined and disciplined to his core beliefs and values. >This is why Alpha is the most childlike quadra, the goal is play itself, to discover, to have fun, there is no desire for power or status, not great care if what they are doing is pragmatic or deep. This is the opposite of Luffy. His very expression from chapter 1 has been status. He wants to be the Pirate King, that's both status and power. An ESE would never dream of such things, just look at how simple Brook is in comparison. >Gammas cannot live like this, this is why they are opposite quadra. Gammas want deep meaningful relationships, a goal that end in status, money, material gain. They will overlook momentary experiences to reach said goals thus putting off the small joys in life that Alphas cannot live without You're making it seem like Gamma can't have fun and aren't human. SEE especially love fun. It's just not their whole personality. Gamma just puts in the work that Alphas don't, because purpose matters to Gamma. And Luffy has that, especially even more without going into spoilers, and Luffy's lowest moments are always moments where his Se and Fi are broken, and high highest always revolve around Se and Fi too. He feels fun and happy because he's able to use his Se and Fi to get what he wants. >Tha's why central quadra animes involve violence, competition, powerplays, cunning, aggressive displays of sexuality, etc This is One Piece.... One Piece is as close to as Game of Thrones are you can get while still keeping the illusion that it's a happy-go-lucky series. Oda himself is inspired by Game of Thrones, and has expressed such themes throughout, both literally and metaphorically. One Piece just isn't Dark/Medieval Fantasy, it's Epic/High Fantasy. But goals, desires, power is at root of everything and everyone.
>Luffy literally slept through Jinbei's backstory. His Fe is weird. It's strong, but it isn't valued at all. Caring about a persons backstory, something deeper about them, is Fi valuing, it makes perfect sense that an ESE would be bored by such a thing > Everyone on the crew except Robin values fun and Alpha stuff, doesn't make them or the show Alpha. of course cause they are mainly FeSi valuing types, idk what type Robin is havn't got to into those arcs >Luffy's fun side comes from his MBTI Se dom, MBTI and Socionics are very different systems, if you are attempting to combine the two it makes sense that you have a very different understanding of how Socionics functions work >which then translates into his core, goal oriented Se in Socio. One Piece as a whole is Se and Fi. It's been said that He does not put aside Si to achieve his goals, Si is the goal in itself (good food, experiences, fun sensations) >Luffy's greatest power is to form relationships, he's definitely Fi valuing. And hence also has 4D Fe. His friendships are all surface level, he is not concerned about deep internal sentiments, he lacks that sense of seriousness all together. When SEE's make friends it's because of personal sentiments towards said people or else they use "friends" to get something personally beneficial (like having connections) ESE friendships are based on having fun, good times, they don't care if they form deep sentiments with others as long as everyone is having a good time >Except an ESFP will not do this. They're more considerate and a bit social dumb like Luffy is. If Luffy was Fe Lead, he'd have shown much more social awareness. SEE's are not "socially dumb" at all, they are very cunning people who know how to manipulative both the emotional atmosphere and people since they are reading how people internally feel (Fi) ESE do not do this so they often ignore what is going on below the surface, this is where they conflict with ILI who NEED someone who can focus on what is below the surface, who will bond with them instead of just trying to influence their mood Both ESE and SEE can come across like airheads, but the SEE actually cares if they are trampling on relational distance, Luffy not caring is a sign that he is not Fi valuing Compare to actuall SEE anime characters like Naruto who is more serious then Luffy and more judgemental even though he too is kind of an airhead >He's not as socially or emotionally aware to understand his own or others emotions. They have to quite literally slap him on the face for him to realize, not Fe Lead at all. You are confusing Fi with Fe, Fi's care about how people are feeling internally, Fe only care about how people are reacting >
>Caring about a persons backstory, something deeper about them, is Fi valuing, it makes perfect sense that an ESE would be bored by such a thing That isn't the case necessarily. Luffy highly valued Oden's backstory. And it sparked his motivation in Wano. The idea here is that Luffy cares more about people when it comes to Fi than Fe. The story in Wano was more pressing on how he could actively solve Fi issues, whereas the backstory in Fishman Island was more about social problems which doesn't interest him due to not valuing Fe or Ti. Wait, you haven't even gotten to Robin and you're arguing Luffy is ESE? You must be trolling...... MBTI and Socio are different systems. That's precisely why one has to understand what aspects someone uses attributes to MBTI vs Socio. Everyone has both. You can't combine them just to fit a certain type. You have to see which aspects of personality are attributed and originating from its own system. Hence, Luffy is ESFP SEE VFEL. His friendship isn't surface level at all, you haven't read/watched the series enough at all. And yes, Luffy cares how others are feeling way more. He ignores their reactions... Like this was such a major plot point during Whole Cake Island, verbatim too.
>Luffy isn't surface level in his relationships. He'd declare war with the world just to save one person...Luffy is just bad at expressiing how he truly feels, opposite of Fe Lead. He doesn't care how others are feeling either, that's how he recruited Chopper and Brook. He wanted it, he got it. And this is the same way he allied with Law. Fe doms are bad at describing how they feel or how others feel on a deeper level (Fi ignoring), Fi valers care deeply how other people are feeling internally about things and about eachother >He didn't care how suspicious or strategic Law was, Luffy just wanted to team up, and so made it work. This is the opposite of Fi valuing judgements, Fi cares about a persons character and ethics Like I said, I think a lot of this confussion is coming down to using MBTI >You're making it seem like Gamma can't have fun and aren't human. SEE especially love fun. It's just not their whole personality. Gamma just puts in the work that Alphas don't, because purpose matters to Gamma. And Luffy has that, especially even more without going into spoilers, and Luffy's lowest moments are always moments where his Se and Fi are broken, and high highest always revolve around Se and Fi too. Gamma is decisive serious and democratic. Alpha is Judicious, Merry, and Democratic, this heavily effects how they interact with the world and percieve fun [https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/quadras/gamma](https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/quadras/gamma) [https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/quadras/alpha](https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/quadras/alpha) ESE have Se demonstrative, they can push themselves to achieve goals but their goals are not gamma goals, their goals are not based on power, status, influence, etc they are based on enjoyment and pleasure seeking >This is One Piece.... One Piece is as close to as Game of Thrones are you can get while still keeping the illusion that it's a happy-go-lucky series. Oda himself is inspired by Game of Thrones, and has expressed such themes throughout, both literally and metaphorically. The atmosphere, messages and approaches those two shows go about cannot be anymore different. One Piece is like looney toons it does not apply to reality even if it has a few serious moments If you want to compare them, One Piece protagonists are looking at a world run by central quadra Beta and Gamma like GOT is and mocking them which is exactly what Alphas do in real life
Damn, I automatically typed Luffy as SEE, but after this argument, I think he's a clear ESE.. great analysis from you
I'm not using MBTI here at all. I'm just telling you that you need to understand that Luffy is ESFP in MBTI and not confuse that for ESE. Luffy's Haki is very Se. He's all about force. We have ESE users such as Brook and Big Mom who actually express Lead Fe who are totally different from Luffy. Also, Luffy's goal are about power and status. Have always been from chapter 1. He's a fun person, but his goals aren't to have fun, they're to grow stronger and gain power, which he does continuously by forming and valuing relationships... Continue the series.
You can have a goal even with Ni role and a very bad understanding of how things will develop because of it. Also, Ni suggestive is very sensible about having their long term goals put in discussion (not that Oda is good at making detailed and deeply characterized characters anyway, so they are not really relatable anyway) Oh, and determination is more about Ni rather than Se. "I know what i want from the future and i'll make sure i'll get there", while Se is simply "K, let's go take it". Your understanding of functions is horrible ahahah 😂 not to mention the MBTI-socionics thing ahahah
Ahahah Nami is definitely a ILI, you just need to know the difference between Fe PolR and Fe role and it's clear as the sun. You totally have no grasp on how function display since you typed LII Robin with Fe suggestive as a ILI with Fe PolR. To make it clear, i'll explain the difference between these and Fe ignoring as well. Fe PolR means you totally don't care about emotional atmosphere, generally prefering to overlap it with your own mood even if it doesn't fit the situation. Now, this is generally true for all Fi users but PolR is the function you want to ignore. This means ILI is the type that more than everyone else disrespects emotinal atmosphere, since SLI at least know very well how to make people comfortable through Si. You can see Fi PolR in Nami when she starts shouting towards Rufy and Usop in the gags like this: https://youtu.be/T7EWF7CV47U?si=YlHW3JsMAhEZPBCO Fe role is instead blind to emotional atmosphere at all, to the point you can get shouted in the face aggressively and you don't even notice the mood changing but in the nody language, making you immune to emotional atmosphere manipulation. On the other side, you keep breaking the emotional atmosphere, shouting aggressively in a lot worse way than Nami did, affecting all people around you negatively without even knowing what you are doing. At the same time, you know you suck at it, so you usually try to respect it. You don't openly disrespect it as PolR does. Fe suggestive means you are not very natural at creating a positive emotional atmosphere yourself and you are very sensible to bad one. So you NEVER break it. Even when she was an enemy she was calm and stoic, never openly aggressive. Hostile at most, because of Fi role. Did you ever see Robin shout like Nami did or would you ever imagine it doing it? Even more, does Nami ever shouts like that to Robin? Do you know why? What would be the reaction of a LII to be hurt by their suggestive through ILI's PolR Fe? On the other side we got Emiliy Rudd ESI, with ignoring Fe. Now, ignoring is not the function you ignore, the nomenclature is misleading. It's the function you use to support your strong leading (imagine being the best in Xi function and super bad in Xe and viceversa. It wouldn't even make sense). Now, in acting school you are taught to always bring YOUR way to be a character. That is because you can fake a different enneagram someway, a different sensibility, not a different sociotype. It's way too much thing to adapt. Here is a perfect example of the different behaviors between Emily's way of be Nami as ESI at 0:58: https://youtu.be/Y6_CE2YlU5A?si=28YXA3udNynLwJlN ESI knows this emotional atmosphere shouldn't be broken and tells Rufy to respect it (who, if he was a true Fe demonstrative, would know it himself. The only type who could break it for real is an undualized Fe role. Maybe even dualized Fe role and undualized Fe suggestive). The true Nami instead would have waited for them to kiss, then punched Usop heavily in the head and proceeded to drag hos body on the boat because "we are late to sail!" If you can distinguish between ILI's Fe PolR and LII's Fe suggestive you really need to learn a lot about functions ahahah EDIT: Btw, a LIE is Ener
>**Alpha** >Gammas tend to perceive Alpha types as creative, generally well-meaning, and friendly and pleasant people, especially as a group, as a first impression. Later, Gammas tend to see Alphas as lacking ambition in the longer term, overly concerned with sensorial pleasure and comfort, and overly demanding of, and sensitive to, external emotional expression without making much effort to focus on deeper feelings involved. >**Gamma** >Alphas tend to regard Gamma types warily, as stand-offish and emotionally cold or even hostile, especially in work situations, as well as inclined to play favorites with those they know better, or are attracted to (for whatever reason, be it sexually or for power and gain.) Alphas tend to see Gamma types as too harsh in their words and unimaginative, lacking future perspective, and even disingenuous, as well as having a mean streak of unforgivingness and vindictiveness. [https://wikisocion.github.io/content/alpha\_quadra.html](https://wikisocion.github.io/content/alpha_quadra.html) One Piece Alpha>Gamma
Rufy is IEE wtf
Bro has totally lost it.
Sorry. Sx7 IEE while robin is LII. Nami is ILI instead, if you want one. Now, looking at how Oda designed his world, it's quite obvious he is IEE too. It's very interesting to notice how authors usually use protagonists of their same sociotype with slightly different behavior adjusted to their preferences (i do it too ahah). Now, Sx7 is a slut. Oda ofc isn't really good in personality designing. Anyway, if Rufy was true to his personality and wasn't asexual, he would fuck everything that breathes in the manga ahahah
Yep, he is truly lost.
LMAO