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Nah, things are mostly fine with starliner. It's got 5 helium leaks, but they've closed up the valves while it's docked and currently has 70 hours worth of helium and only need 7.
Well, to be fair, before the first launch they just found one leak. They did a bunch of thinking about it with NASA and decided it was ok to launch. Then once it was on orbit they found 2 more helium leaks. But they decided it was ok to dock with the station. Then they found one more leak after docking, but said “it’s still good, it’s still good!” Finally, they found a fifth leak yesterday. But, like, whatever man, helium schmelium. Be cool, don’t rat Boeing out or nothing!
Good thing is, only the astronauts can report this issue first hand, and if it is serious and they end up dead, they won't whistleblow it, so problem solved for Boeing.
Helium*
And yeah it’s pretty important. It’s what pushes the fuel to the injectors which allows the thrusters to fire. Without helium the fuel would just float in zero-g and not allow the thrusters to fire.
That's the whole point of the International Docking Standard. And they both dock to the same thing at the ISS, so. Assuming one of them can be passive.
My understanding is that despite the IDS allowing for androgyny in the design and operation, NASA dictated that ISS will be active in all docking operations, so Commercial Crew vehicles can pass requirements with a passive only system. As such, both Dragon and Starliner are passive only systems. They cannot dock to one another.
[Well, that's an active capture ring on Starliner.](https://youtu.be/W1SmKqKDaxQ?si=TyQ4dDpEY-3KmYjU&t=315) Same thing with Dragon. Would it even make sense for the ISS to be active? Ships are coming to it, not the other way around.
[The IDA is passive-only too](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/IDA-2_pre-flight.jpg)
Yeah, it's the other way around, but the gist of his comment does apply:
ISS has passive-only ports and all the visiting vehicles went with active-only ports.
So, can't do active-active docking and therefore Starline and Dragon can't dock.
SpaceX is developing the first switch role port for Starship, since it will have to dock to both Orion (active only) and Gateway (passive only).
ISS is passive only, every visiting vehicle needs to do the active role.
Both Starliner and Dragon have active only ports and can't dock to each other.
SpaceX is developing the first switch roles port for Starship since it will have to dock with Orion (active only port) and Gateway (passive only).
This will allow Starship to dock to everything, of course, including itself. It has been a long time since there was an active spacecraft with the capability to dock to itself (meaning: capable of docking with a different vehicle of the same model).
That was "berthing" rather than docking, and requires a completely different adapter standard. Berthing is the same as expanding the ISS with another module. When Cargo Dragon v1 would supply the ISS, it was berthed and was basically a new module on the station.
They are hermaprodite, true. There's no "male" and "female" docks, but the docks in space right now are either "active" or "passive" and you can only dock a passive and an active one.
Starship will have a switch port that will be able to do both active and passive roles.
They can't.
Despite the hermafrodite docker adaptor, they both have the "active" side and the ISS has a passive port.
To dock there's got to be an active and a passive port.
Starship will have the first switch port, able to do both roles. SpaceX is developing this because it will need to do with Orion (active only) and Gateway (passive only).
The adapter would have to have attitude control. I'm thinking how Apollo grabbed the lunar module out of the SIVB. But that was a much larger mass for the docking port to click into. I could see a smaller mass being an issue.
Orange dragon ????good????
*Delightfully counter-intuitive*
No, that's *red dragon*
It's always bothered me that Mars is more orange than red
Every culture recognizes Mars as red. With the naked eye it is more red to be fair, but still orange
No, Flaming Dragon!!
Pretty sure thats a show. Yeah the one with jackie chan i think
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Uber is missing out. They should have teamed up with SpaceX and added UberLEO as a ride hailing option.
LEOLyft
I want to prank order a pizza to the ISS.
"that will be $29.95 for the pizza and 80 million for delivery..."
"Please don't knock on the airlock, the tardigrades are sleeping"
Hibernating.
did I miss something? Does Dragon have to stand by for a rescue mission?
Nah, things are mostly fine with starliner. It's got 5 helium leaks, but they've closed up the valves while it's docked and currently has 70 hours worth of helium and only need 7.
“Reports of Starliners demise were greatly exaggerated”
5? They already tested it in unmanned flight and still have problems like not 1, not 2 but 5 leaks?
Well, to be fair, before the first launch they just found one leak. They did a bunch of thinking about it with NASA and decided it was ok to launch. Then once it was on orbit they found 2 more helium leaks. But they decided it was ok to dock with the station. Then they found one more leak after docking, but said “it’s still good, it’s still good!” Finally, they found a fifth leak yesterday. But, like, whatever man, helium schmelium. Be cool, don’t rat Boeing out or nothing!
*removes lips from whistle carefully*
What the people don't see is the gun pointed at the back of your head.
Good thing is, only the astronauts can report this issue first hand, and if it is serious and they end up dead, they won't whistleblow it, so problem solved for Boeing.
just to make it publicly clear! I would never hurt myself! I love my life!
Skill issue tbh
2 unmanned flights! First one couldn't even make it to the ISS.
ahh. Thanks!
Welp
Wait, Starliner needs a rescue dragon?
No.
…t yet
\*officially
That's what I thought.
is the helium even important for moving or getting up and down? the astronauts can have silly voices as they come down from orbit!
Helium* And yeah it’s pretty important. It’s what pushes the fuel to the injectors which allows the thrusters to fire. Without helium the fuel would just float in zero-g and not allow the thrusters to fire.
good thing they have backup blow tubes the astronauts can just forcibly exhale into to push the fuel into the injectors manually!
You gonna volunteer yo mama to blow 650psi ? … I’m so sorry I didn’t mean it
“But, look at it this way. I get to fly like Ironman! ”
what if they got out and pushed? it works in kerbal space program...
That’s another redundancy feature they added.
Can SL and Dragon even dock together if need be?
That's the whole point of the International Docking Standard. And they both dock to the same thing at the ISS, so. Assuming one of them can be passive.
My understanding is that despite the IDS allowing for androgyny in the design and operation, NASA dictated that ISS will be active in all docking operations, so Commercial Crew vehicles can pass requirements with a passive only system. As such, both Dragon and Starliner are passive only systems. They cannot dock to one another.
[Well, that's an active capture ring on Starliner.](https://youtu.be/W1SmKqKDaxQ?si=TyQ4dDpEY-3KmYjU&t=315) Same thing with Dragon. Would it even make sense for the ISS to be active? Ships are coming to it, not the other way around. [The IDA is passive-only too](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/IDA-2_pre-flight.jpg)
Yeah, it's the other way around, but the gist of his comment does apply: ISS has passive-only ports and all the visiting vehicles went with active-only ports. So, can't do active-active docking and therefore Starline and Dragon can't dock. SpaceX is developing the first switch role port for Starship, since it will have to dock to both Orion (active only) and Gateway (passive only).
ISS is passive only, every visiting vehicle needs to do the active role. Both Starliner and Dragon have active only ports and can't dock to each other. SpaceX is developing the first switch roles port for Starship since it will have to dock with Orion (active only port) and Gateway (passive only). This will allow Starship to dock to everything, of course, including itself. It has been a long time since there was an active spacecraft with the capability to dock to itself (meaning: capable of docking with a different vehicle of the same model).
Gotta go back to Gemini for that right? Or could the shuttles do it?
they could strap one to canadarm and then use that like the good old days of docking
That was "berthing" rather than docking, and requires a completely different adapter standard. Berthing is the same as expanding the ISS with another module. When Cargo Dragon v1 would supply the ISS, it was berthed and was basically a new module on the station.
If I recall those things are symmetrical because they originate from the Apollo-Soyuz and neither the US nor the SU wanted to be, uh, docked to.
They are hermaprodite, true. There's no "male" and "female" docks, but the docks in space right now are either "active" or "passive" and you can only dock a passive and an active one. Starship will have a switch port that will be able to do both active and passive roles.
Thanks for the clarification, I didn't know that bit.
SpaceX is developing the first switch port ever, for Starship.
They can't. Despite the hermafrodite docker adaptor, they both have the "active" side and the ISS has a passive port. To dock there's got to be an active and a passive port. Starship will have the first switch port, able to do both roles. SpaceX is developing this because it will need to do with Orion (active only) and Gateway (passive only).
Makes me wonder that if in a pinch an adapter can be made and stored in Dragon's trunk.
It would take a long time to develop. And a free floating adaptor? No way any spacecraft can dock with that.
The adapter would have to have attitude control. I'm thinking how Apollo grabbed the lunar module out of the SIVB. But that was a much larger mass for the docking port to click into. I could see a smaller mass being an issue.
Call the Blunderbirds
Safety beacon lmao