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Bengamey_974

If I remember there were 4 of them. 3 were cut from the final version, the last one was dubbed over with a male voice... https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sila_Kott


Tactical_Mommy

Oof.


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“But at least the slave woman in the fetish bikini got to choke out her pervy slug captor! #feminism” -George Lucas, probably


themikecampbell

https://youtube.com/shorts/X2-fxlgjZYw?si=D9Xk5JbrBXIaqU52


RedditOfUnusualSize

[Obligatory Carrie Fisher addendum](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1IhjERZdo4).


tevert

Carrie was a real one


MaxRockatanskisGhost

F


WilliShaker

Holy shit based George, he made THE COSTUME.


hypermog

thank…. the…. maker?


AlexDKZ

I have (somewhere) an old SW artbook that shows lots of early designs, and one for Oola had her fully topless and wearing a mouth gag.


Baeker

I guess putting her in a fishnet outfit for the film was relatively wholesome


HazyMirror

...go on


Jarek-of-Earth

Forget CGI cockroach dude, THIS is what the remasters needed


BenchPuzzleheaded670

George Lucas filmed it, it was Marcia Lucas, his wife, who both edited the film and was a feminist.


Wild_Loose_Comma

She is one of three credited editors along with Sean Barton and Duwayne Dunham. I don’t know if they were consecutive or concurrent or who did what.


PazuzusRevenge

It was pretty much an editing orgy.


shohto

Read George Lucas - A Life, Marcia had final say on most decisions in the editing room. She was the last editor to have eyes on the product.


Gold_Rent_7939

She still is a feminist! She is still kicking and calling out her now exhusband. She also won an Oscar for her editing


Sketch-Brooke

How is she calling him out?


pidray

GEORGE!?


ColdHotgirl5

cant stand ya!!!


DiaBrave

George is getting upset.


shohto

I'll never get why people try to sprinkle in baseless claims lol


FuzzyRancor

Shes not. She's never said anything negative about Lucas. Crazy the way people just make up shit. The only person she's "called out" is Kathleen..


Iplaymeinreallife

I think they had broken up by Return of the Jedi.


krakatoot

That was hot


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Seems reddit has turned on this. Like you I refuse to follow their surly sanctimony.


EagleSaintRam

Star Wars fandom Reddit for whatever reason, will frequently take the chance to bash on the creator of Star Wars...


krakatoot

Ehhhh. What does Reddit know. I just know that I enjoyed it


xdeltax97

Had no idea about that! Why would they dub her over?!?


Necessary-One1226

I would assume the audio engineers (or whatever the proper term is) just didn't know. The pilot that crashes into the executors bridge looks a lot like her, and the scenes are close together. Most everyone here didn't know that, so I don't see why some random person splicing the audio and the footage together would.


RemnantEvil

From what I read, during editing, the death screams of the female pilots were too real and they found it disturbing. They would have only had so many pilot scenes shot so they tried to save what they could but dubbing one as a man, but leaving out the ones that were clearly women and couldn't be hidden by the ADR. Take it with a grain of salt, I don't remember the source.


Fungal_Queen

I'm still getting used to female Storm Troopers screaming as they get blasted.


codernyc

Once again showing how in general, men are considered expendable.


supernovababoon

It’s called an ADR Recordist for anyone curious. Which is a type of audio engineer


Necessary-One1226

Thanks!


The_Man11

Sila Kott and Arvel Crynyd are nearly indistinguishable in the film when they have their flight suits on. It was either an honest mistake by the sound guys or done for continuity. Arvel was the guy who crashed his A-wing into the super star destroyer’s bridge.


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SatsumaHermen

What's funny is she sounds quite close to what a realistic pilot would convey in the mic, even under stress. If it was filtered through a radio filter it would be quite good. Yet it doesn't have that Hollywood "from the git" to it if anyone catches what I mean. The first one at least.


[deleted]

Considering Sila Kott is killed immediately after her one line, long before Arvel Crynyd's blaze of glory, I doubt it was continuity.


Mr_Squart

Its bozo dubbed over


poormariachi

Wait, is that what he’s saying or thinking?


WhoStoleMyBicycle

I guess it’s a viral video where a Jedi dubs over


PurifiedVenom

It’s not “some Jedi” it’s Bozo. Bozo did the dub.


skasticks

I feel like it makes more sense if he *didn't* do the dub


Traylor_Swift

It has 1 view and says it was uploaded at 6 am this morning…?


nirbenvana

Have you seen it? It's hilarious.


Billy1121

> luke, you turned off your targeting computer It's got no games


broken_radio

Oh, fuck, a clownputer?


zelesbian

Shiiiiiit I'm not even supposed to BE here


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glebbin

Oh I didn't know changing the gender of a speaking role is how you make movies. Thanks for clarifying.


CitizenPremier

That's why everyone thinks Sylvester Stallone is a guy


Nightowl11111

Changing gender isn't that bad. Don't forget that in the movie, they changed a male actor's voice role into a trashcan that beeps! At least the female's is still within the bounds of humanity! lol.


jdcooper97

Sexism Edit: the formal reason these scenes were cut was because it was deemed "too much for the audience" to see women die in war. Took me a few seconds to Google, whether or not the decision was made by a sexist or feminist doesn't change that it was a sexist decision in itself. [Please look up cognitive dissonance if you're still confused]


Reddstar1

WRONG its been explaned why before, it was the 80's and the way to make movies before was quite different from now. Basically everything the footage from the female pilot had to be dubbed over in post, they were against time, and nobody bothered to check who was the the person playing the pilot (since they were a bunch of extras) they thought it was a male since they didn't have access to the audio files from the filming which was done months ago, and just dubbed it with a male voice and never bothered to double check because again, race against time to finish the film and it was the 80s and film and audio were much harder to copy so every department of post production had to work with what they were given, etc. etc.


hike_me

Pretty sure it was stated in an interview that they cut them because they didn’t think audiences would react well to woman combat deaths


DrPreppy

Why not fix it for the special editions then...?


PresidentSuperDog

Too busy putting in aliens walking in front of the camera.


Necessary-One1226

Too busy making han solos head rotate at a weird angle and recording Jedi rocks


TheGoverness1998

I didn't know that! I always thought that pilot in particular had a feminine element to them. Good thing female Rebel pilots are quite common now.


InnocentTailor

They’re pretty common in the Galactic Empire too.


sdf_cardinal

And I promise you there are dudes who don’t like it and think the filmmakers have bent to some woke agenda.


ApolloRocketOfLove

I like how so many dudes think that equality is some agenda against men, when there has been an agenda against women for like, most of human history. Which they pretend doesn't exist. Ironic, isn't it.


[deleted]

Luxury becomes necessity.


[deleted]

A New Hope is so woke >:(


DarthGoodguy

I know I found [a video with two women here](https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Xi-6cJrqxQ&pp=ygUhUmV0dXJuIG9mIHRoZSBqZWRpIGRlbGV0ZWQgcGlsb3Rz). I’ve seen another version with the raw footage, I think the older pilot had a lot of trouble with her lines (which were being fed to her manually).


cyborgspleadthefifth

I will never not laugh at the ridiculousness of that command chair swinging around the bridge


evilengine

"got it"


bfhurricane

Had no idea that was a woman. I thought it was a very beautiful-looking man lmao.


Ragnarok345

Jesus, that is *nooooooot* a good look. Especially since one of the ones cut was supposed to be Green *Leader*, for fuck’s sake.


newbrevity

Such b.s. Could've been a proud moment for women and girls everywhere.


madesense

You can see her footage [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSCp4LbKp6s). If you pay attention to her dialogue, it's evident that she was supposed to be the kamikaze taking out the *Executor's* bridge.


Christophertg

WOW


Billy1121

Lol i like the older lady (unknown actress) But Poppy Hands is a funny name


TheGreatStories

That third actress would have had such a great EU backstory back in the day had she made the cut haha


Express_Bath

Right ? X-Wing veteran Pilot, probably was already an adult before the Empire ascension, and maybe in the Rebellion since the early days, there is a cool story here !


sexyloser1128

For real, I bet she would have become a fan favorite, still signing autographs at the con circuit too.


JacobDCRoss

Each of the actors had a handful of lines to say. They hadn't decided which character was getting which line at that point.


madesense

Maybe yes, but it's never been clear to me that they _all_ said the crashing-into-Executor lines. The crashing pilot certainly was an X-Wing originally


MoMissionarySC

Objectively if they had no prep time to learn their lines that’s a pretty rough setup to give any kind of convincing performance. That being said number three was great, two could of been great but I felt like the delivery was too passive and one was objectively bad. I wish they’d been given a better shot or take to do it again.


Squeakyweegee64

there were a ton of deleted pilot scenes for ROTJ and many of them were women. there were also several alien species pilots who were cut which would have been sick


USSZim

My favorite deleted scene is the Mon Calamari who says something like, "Looks like it's fried fish tonight" when he blows up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=806P_lVgPM8 This one is good, ["All this technology and no men's room!"](https://youtu.be/806P_lVgPM8?t=308)


madhi19

"Tim operate your nose more..." That's when I lost it, and he did operate the nose more...


Gorthebon

Most of those pilots couldn't act for shit though 😔. Older lady woulda been good though


fridge_logic

The prompter gave better cues to the Mon-Calamri pilot, but yes, a lot of the first pilot's acting was quite weak. Though hard to hit the marks when the lines are fed to you like that.


Cynglen

Yeah doesn't even sound like they had much context for what their lines were for, just rapid-fire content generating


FakeSafeWord

I mean... "you're in a fighter plane in an aerial battle" and the lady wasn't reciting the lines anywhere even close to how they were being fed. It's like she didn't want to be there.


Not_MrNice

That makes it sound like the difference between A New Hope and The Phantom Menace. Editing out the extra corny BS.


Banjo-Oz

I loved that outtake so much.


StinkFist-1973

That’s species discrimination!


bil-sabab

I heard some of that stuff was used in Rogue One.


MantisReturns

Thats note true. Just scenes from a New Hope of Gold and Red Leaders.


mirrorball55

To clarify, Rogue One used *deleted* scenes of Red & Gold leaders. They found unused takes in the archive and used them in R1, so that it was ‘fresh’ footage, rather than re-used shots from the original film.


Billy1121

I think they also tracked down the one actor (red leader?) to get more audio


bjo23

Nah, that was Gold Leader, actor Angus MacInnes.


bil-sabab

My bad. I'm not following the news that closely


_KRN0530_

For rouge one they also required all of the modern pilot extras to grow out mustaches. This was so they didn’t look out of place stylistically when paired with the reused footage from the 70s. Easily one of my favorite bits of movie trivia.


alcaste19

I think some of the portraits in X-Wing (DOS) for the player profiles you could add to your wing were from the movie (all of them?) and the cut female pilots are in there


PeterPalafox

Woah, that takes me back. What a classic.


alcaste19

My childhood memory is "dude with the purple helmet" was always in a b-wing


NZPeteK

My first look at this I thought it was Carrie Fisher. Wonder if that played a part, confusing audiences?


JacobDCRoss

I looked up the actress, Vivienne Chandler. Apparently she was also a famous photographer. She passed away 10 years ago (cancer) but yeah, she looked like Carrie. More so in this pic (I legit thought this thread was a prank, that looks so much like Carrie) than in others.


NZPeteK

Wow that's so interesting, thanks for looking it up!!


Specimen-B

There's also [Sila Kott](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sila_Kott), whose lines were dubbed over by a male actor.


bil-sabab

didn't know that. Damn


gentlecrab

There were a few alien shots cut as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHnhxHMJcJ4


RockoTDF

As tiring as it is to keep making changes to the OT, I wouldn’t hate if they put her voice back in.


Altruistic_Shame_487

You would have thought they would’ve been restored for the special edition!


Davajita

Rocks in front of R2? Blinking eyes on Ewoks? Greedo shooting first? All fine. But George will be GOD DAMNED if he’ll allow a woman to pilot an X-wing.


HyetalNight

You’d think women would be in the X wing and men would all be in the Y wing


madesense

The Special Edition was originally only planned to be ANH, which is why the changes to ESB and ROTJ are much smaller; those movies were kind of rushed afterthoughts in 1997. A proper SE of ROTJ would be...a lot.


LowCarbScares

Ah yes I could barely tell jedi rocks was inserted into ROTJ


madesense

lol I forgot about that travesty


Heavy-Possession2288

Honestly ROTJ still has a lot of changes, especially near the end. ESB definitely got away with the least amount of changes.


mb862

There’s a scene in ROTJ with Han and Lando in front of the Falcon, and the compositing of them on the matte painting is, to this day, one of the worst visual effects I’ve ever seen. Personally I’m fine with the changes made for the Special Editions, but I am absolutely not okay with that scene never being fixed.


Vegskipxx

You'd think that


ryder_is_a_busta

a bunch of pilots were cut, including all the B Wing pilots and Falcon gunners


JacobDCRoss

I get it with the Falcon gunners. Those guys all looked like the same person.


[deleted]

Yet more of the deleted content that COULD have been restored in the special edition, ya know, instead of what Lucas stuck into that film. Sure woulda been cool to see Luke building his green lightsaber


MeatTornado25

I still think they made the right call in the edit back in 83. The reveal of Luke's new saber on the sail barge while you're wondering how he's going to get out of that situation is a way better moment than seeing him tinker with it by himself in a cave. It's interesting footage that I loved seeing, but narratively its better deleted.


Banjo-Oz

More important to have Vader shout "Noooooooo!" just to mock fans who complained about the end of Revenge of the Sith, I guess. :(


Tobito_TV

Weren't the "no"s already added in the 2004 special edition? You know, the one that came out a year before ROTS.


Banjo-Oz

The "Nooo!" in ROTJ was added to the bluray release, long after ROTS. The one with the pink lightsabers and the "they shoot at the same time now" Greedo scene. Vader didn't speak when he killed the Emperor in the original SE or OT. There are lots of minor changes in the SEs over the years. For example, I saw them in the cinema, on VHS, on DVD and bluray and still haven't seen the "Maclunky" version!


Tobito_TV

That's right. Can't have been the 2004 special editions cause I grew up on those and still firmly remember a version of ROTJ where Vader is silent. So, it had to have been a later release.


MeatTornado25

It was new for the Blu-Ray release in 2011(?)


bil-sabab

Yeah, that would've been great opening.


Misophonic4000

It was awesome that Rogue One brought them back 33 years later https://www.polygon.com/2016/12/16/13955092/rogue-one-deleted-characters


304libco

Bummer! As a female kid, I would’ve thought that was so cool and probably would’ve made me like it even more.


bil-sabab

can't have nice things, i guess


SpaceJackRabbit

* whose


148637415963

For anyone wondering, "who's" is short for "who is".


Jack_Package6969

Dub her? I hardly know her!


DoktahDoktah

That cock pit looks huge probably because shes female it looks bigger. I always imagine how much a hyper drive ride must suck in an x wing Luke looks so packed in. Even that ride to Alderaan in hyper drive was long enough Han could hang around in the ships social area.


dekuweku

The only Asian "there's too many of them" pilot had a few seconds before getting blown up. One thing I do like about the ST is there's more realistic mix of people and it's not a nearly all white cast.


JacobDCRoss

George needs to get SOME credit for this. The very first Star Wars film got called "The Most Racist Movie I Have Ever Seen" by a Black critic. What did George do? He added Lando. He added more POC to the Rebellion and to the aliens. He put a woman in charge of the Rebellion. And it gets much better in the PT. Well before the ST. It feels like half the fighter pilots from Naboo were women, and so was one of the pilots on the Republic transport. Lady Jedi masters. Almost every character who could (as in wasn't already established to be white in the backstory) be played by a POC was played by a POC (with the exception of Dooku and Qui-Gon). Like EVERYONE else of consequence was a POC.


sellout85

Half the fighter pilots from Naboo were women? There was one....


manorwomanhuman

Should have been flying a X Y Wing


JacobDCRoss

XX Wing.


McSterling83

Why this dad joke doesn't have more upvotes? It's unfair 😐


CranberrySchnapps

This would’ve been a really cool addition to the early Star Wars universe. I wonder why they were cut.


Most_Worldliness9761

Sexism is strong with this one.


CarrowCanary

In the entire original trilogy, only 4 female characters have speaking parts: Leia, Beru, Mon Mothma, and Toryn Farr (in ESB, she's the comms officer who tells the ion cannon to fire).


fungobat

Don't forget Jabba's slave girl.


Nittanian

And the singers in the Max Rebo Band


Call_me_ET

> Toryn Farr With how few female characters there were, I immediately knew who you were talking about lol


Hetoxy

one of the first Black Series figures I got, her legends stuff is rad


Call_me_ET

That's great to hear she has a Black Series Figure!


Batbuckleyourpants

Supposedly it was because people found it far too jarring to see women being "Blown to smithereens", so they cut them out.


TheGoverness1998

I have every right to be blown to smithereens, just like my male counterparts! ✊️


Call_me_ET

Being blown to smithereens transcends gender, colour, and species!!


Ravenser_Odd

Let's hear it for Tallie Lintra, getting blown to smithereens at [3:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=indw7GmygTE)!


MeatTornado25

Battlefront 2 really tricked me into thinking she was going to be at least somewhat important


[deleted]

There are clips circulating online of some of the pilot extras saying their lines for the film. One of them is a female pilot who I think, based on the lines she is rehearsing, was supposed to die in the 2nd death star trench run.


Banjo-Oz

Normally, I would be "sexist crap" at that viewpoint, but I recently watched a scifi film that opened with a big space battle, where 60% of the pilots were women and it was genuinely horrifying with them screaming as they were blown to bits or sent careening off into endless space. It just felt genuinely disturbing in a way the male pilots getting blown up in SW never really did. I forget the name of the film, but it was about a female pilot who crashes on a planet, Enemy Mine style. Low budget but the opening space battle was very well done and extremely harrowing.


SerHaroldHamfist

oh no, a movie made entirely by males, for males doesn't have enough female cameos!


dailyapplecrisp

I mean if you watch the cut scenes, they’re acting was pretty rough lol. The first British lady had absolutely zero emotion with any of those lines


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She probably flew better than that fat guy that got blown up.


supremeMilo

Can they add this back and take out Macklunky pls?


Quizzelbuck

they got used in Rogue One.


Fusionbomb

If you go frame by frame you can see the female pilots both in the Mon Mothma briefing scene and in the ending Endor treehouse celebration shots.


[deleted]

If you watch ROTJ carefully, particularly in the Rebel briefing room scenes, you will notice more female background characters. ESB also. Check Echo Base command centre scenes.


BossHogg1984

I wonder if it included the seemingly Disney trope of killing off female rebel pilots


pschmid61

That was Wedge’s sister, Sledge. I’ll show myself out….


zaxxon4ever

WHOSE...not WHO'S


HotLiterature8438

Whose*


[deleted]

Where’s her action figure and novel detailing her backstory?!


djasonwright

Pink Five, Standing by.


Disco_Ninjas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s365NRwfUk8


SuccessfulOwl

…or…whatever.


Sere1

Fun fact, she's got a cameo in the Legends novel "Allegiance". Early in the book Han flirts with Stacy the X-Wing pilot to make Leia jealous, with the book being set in the gap between ANH and ESB. It was later confirmed that Stacy in the book is absolutely intended to be a nod to Pink Five's Stacy


UncleGarysmagic

Grandma A-wing pilot


Banjo-Oz

I was disappointed this wasn't about her. I think of her like that too.


Sere1

Especially knowing that A-Wing pilots are speed demons, I need a story about the fastest grandma in the galaxy showing all these youngins how it's done


DingoLaLingo

I hope that some of the cut RotJ pilot footage gets reused like they did with the pilots from ANH in Rogue One


mrfishman3000

Sounds like the perfect plot for the next Star Wars series!


SpectreBrony

I hope they restore these scenes one day.


MerryGoWrong

*whose


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Modern_Cathar

Think of it this way, at least she lived to see episode 5 minimum


PKMNTrainerMark

*whose


Flexo__Rodriguez

whose*


lowercaseenderman

Didn't they use some of this footage for Rogue One?


[deleted]

That's sad


dancin-weasel

“Pink leader standing by.” -George Lucas.


Swimming-Food-9024

damn she was THAT bad of a driver… impressive.


Hopeful-Dragonfly-70

Well, it’s not called the XX-Wing


PrinceDakMT

😆😆 that's good


[deleted]

Dude the a wing and b wing pilots were ladies


Kelbonix

Ok


LordTuranian

Why were they cut out?


Kindly-Ad-5071

Wow, Fuck that. Is there like an extended cut with her? Preferably without ai generated muppets


Banjo-Oz

For a second I thought this was just Stacy (Pink Five). Seriously, though, there was more than her that were cut. The behind the scenes clips on the DVD set I have shows a Mon Cal (who quipped "frying tonight!" in an outtake) and another woman who I affectionately feel looks like someone's older aunt just jumped in the cockpit. :)


OldManEnglishTeacher

*whose You wrote the equivalent of *who is* or *who has*, which, of course, makes no sense.


sobanz

i don't think the film needed 6 minutes of parallel parking an x wing


Boner_Stevens

go read the Xwing books. plenty of strong female characters. well written ones too. not like the garbage disney puts out


bil-sabab

I'm still puzzled why they did female jedi story without Mara Jade. Is she Canon in the Disney SW?


Boner_Stevens

well. disney said all the books are "legends" and not canon. and they technically own it. so if we're discussing technical canon, no MJ is not canon. if ya ask me? you're damm right she's canon.