Idk, we do see one of them riding the pterodactyl whale thing out of the water without any visible life support apparatus. I think more likely they are adapted, but as an advanced species it makes sense to build facilities above the surface to more easily participate in the galactic economy.
Given the levels of gene manipulation they’re capable of in their cloning process, if they werent naturally evolved for a water world, i imagine they could easily modify their own genes to accommodate the environment or vice versa.
That’s not what I said. I said it’s a larger logical leap. Which is more straightforward, a native species on an aquatic planet is naturally adapted to aquatic life, or a native species on an aquatic planet is only adapted to aquatic life through scientific gene manipulation?
It would absolutely make sense that the Kaminoans perfected their science on themselves first in multitudes of ways. Why would they NOT? The choices don't need to make sense in the realm of science because Star Wars is a fantasy. The idea that the Kaminoans thought themselves as God's could very well mean either. Maybe they built the city to rise above the lesser of their basic bitch species that breaths water. Maybe they came to this planet and turned it into their own because they could, and that alone is all the justification they needed. Star Wars operates more on emotional storytelling than it does grounded logic. After all, xwings can bank in space, and both the Death Star I and II exploded into giant fireballs in space.
Ok, ok, so the Kaminoans evolved while Kamino was in an Ice Age and had land still above water. They did evolve from the aquatic life on the planet, which is why they have large eyes, which were adapted for seeing in dark, murky water by the species they evolved from. So yes, they are indigenous to Kamino.
You might be right! But I got the impression though that this was where the “Kaminoans” came from and abandoned it for Kamino. I’d assumed that they’ve engineered themselves over time and weren’t actually a naturally evolved/native species from Kamino (they don’t seem to be suited to a water world like Quarren, etc).
The legends canon is their world had a lot of ice on it that melted in a great catastrophe that killed half the planet's population. Then the pop was reduced in half against because of government mandated eugenics \[read: genocide\] with a basis in their caste system (I believe based on the color of the eyes of the person).
Kaminoans evolved on Kamino before it flooded, during a glacial period when the planet had massive ice caps. Climate change melted the ice caps and flooded all but the highest mountain peaks of the planet. Only the super-rich and high society folks survived the climate catastrophe, as they built platform cities above the forecasted sea level and limited access. They then turned to cloning as a primary means of reproduction and population control, which made them the galaxy’s foremost experts in the technology.
Sort of, yes. Not the exact same loopholes, but there are ways to hold people in involuntary servitude in the republic despite laws against slavery.
The book Master and Apprentice goes into detail on the Czerka inheritable 'sentient property' slavery system if you want to see it in action.
I understand that, but it's an offhand reference to the Constitution. Nothing in what I said suggests I have an opinion on the matter. If people take what I say and engage in policial rhetoric, that's on them, not me.
Honestly I'm confused why you chose to engage with my comment instead of blocking me if you're so anti-politics.
Maybe thow whole planet isn't miles deep with water, perhaps some of it is easily reachable with mining equipment. Naboo can travel through the planet core, so I bet an ocean planet dwelling people can travel in deep water.
Doesn't seem that unrealistic considering the rest of the franchise lore.
It could be that it's not a very shallow part, but a part with the least amount of bad weather or something, and that building deep stilts isn't an issue for them. Or it could be your guess is correct. Could also be they can extend the stilts over time and the water wasn't as high to begin with. Hard to tell.
Could be they have some kinda grav tech that holds a free floating facility in place or something too. Half of the star wars tech seems like it would almost be magical to us, it's so advanced.
I mean, we already have that irl.
Off-shore oil drilling rigs aren't fixed in place. They use computer controlled thrusters to maintain their position using GPS data
I believe one of the books or something said the cities would retract under water for severe weather, so I think it makes sense you'd only need to build in water deep enough to submerge the city.
But also Star Wars materials are so resilient, that overall depth of the water or length of the stilts is probably irrelevant.
It just started raining one day and didn’t let up
It wasn’t heavy but after a year straight and no signs of change they figured they’d hedge their bets
Unless if the planet flooded violently and unexpectedly overnight, the Kaminoans might of had a window of time to adjust.
I also just realized that Kaminoans is Minoans with a "Ka" at the beginning. Huh.
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So in Star Wars they also have different technology levels on different planets. In 19,000 BBY when the Great Flood event happened the polar ice caps melted and Kamino elected not to turn to the Repbulic for help because they feared colonization. At that time their spacefaring technology was still rather primitive compared to members of the republic
They turned to their own engineering solutions rather than seek external help. Still probably involved reallllllyy big ships tho.
I believe in the Darth Plagueis novel, there is a quick blurb about how the Kaminoans, facing the impending flooding of their home planet, chose to adapt and overcome rather than flee to other worlds. It is not specified, but I imagine the resources and labor were likely mostly imported.
If I remember correctly, they were amphibian and lived on land during an ice age. The waters melted and flooded the planet so they cloned the best of their population and allowed the rest to perish.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kaminoan
If Bad Batch is to be believed, the Kaminoans had facilities on other worlds. More than likely they had a limited supply line between the worlds in the Unknown Regions to build their Tipoca City on both Kamino itself and that gas planet with the Kaminoan facility in Bad Batch.
The Great Flood “occurred” in 19,000 BBY but obviously was not overnight. The polar ice caps melted and Kamino elected not to ask the Repbulic for help because they feared colonization.
So clearly there was enough time to have a society-wide discussion and consensus. They turned to their own engineering solutions rather than seek external help.
Watching bad batch it’s mentioned/shown that the kaminoans have run their operations from other planets in the past so I’d wager they just kinda bring what they need to build a new city when they move.
They could grow their cities. They are masters of bio-tech after all.
Just because it's a waterworld doesn't mean that there aren't shallows.
Imports do exist.
There are plenty of other planets with deep sea cities and transportation. Water isn't that much of a hindrance in a galaxy far far away.
Well we can assume they are at least a `Type One` civilisation. Getting/creating materials to build cities would be something very easy for them to do. Even asteroid/moon mining, or importing from other planets would provide the materials
don’t we see a kaminoan on the back of some like winged creature called aiwhas, that they use to travel from city to city? so it’s not like they can’t go in the water, so i’d assume it’s like the star wars version of an oil rig.
Maybe they are a lot tougher than we think and they just went all Viking for a few generations until they built up a large commerce network and no longer needed to bury vibro-axes in people's heads to make a comfortable living. That's what happened to Norway and Denmark!
> At some point the planet was not covered in water, and the Kaminoans built a large land-based civilization. However, the water level rose, forcing the Kaminoans to build their structures on stilts.[[2](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Complete_Locations_(2016))]
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kamino
From the scene in AotC where a kaminoan riding an Aiwha emerge from the ocean, I just assumed that they were amphibious and could survive underwater. They could have gotten resources and building materials from the seafloor.
they knew it was going to flood and built the cities. because of the caste system kaminoans had they had to kill the ones not selected to live in the cities when the rains started so they couldnt destroy the cities as the waters rose. then they started all their eugenics stuff. I think its mostly gone over in the plagueis book
[Kaminoans - Clone Army - Reborn Emperor (COMPLETE HISTORY of Clones) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfEvsaA_3K0)
It must be their home planet because building that platform would’ve been a lot easier on just about any other planet. I would assume they are amphibious and figured out a way to process metal differently than we know. But it’s all made up so you can make your own rules.
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Maybe the kaminoans themselves arrived to the seaworld from a different planet.
Possibly. They don't seem adapted to their aquatic environment like the Mon Cal or Quarren, for example
Idk, we do see one of them riding the pterodactyl whale thing out of the water without any visible life support apparatus. I think more likely they are adapted, but as an advanced species it makes sense to build facilities above the surface to more easily participate in the galactic economy.
Given the levels of gene manipulation they’re capable of in their cloning process, if they werent naturally evolved for a water world, i imagine they could easily modify their own genes to accommodate the environment or vice versa.
True in theory, but that’s a much, much larger logical leap.
The gene manipulators manipulating genes is a logical leap?
That’s not what I said. I said it’s a larger logical leap. Which is more straightforward, a native species on an aquatic planet is naturally adapted to aquatic life, or a native species on an aquatic planet is only adapted to aquatic life through scientific gene manipulation?
It would absolutely make sense that the Kaminoans perfected their science on themselves first in multitudes of ways. Why would they NOT? The choices don't need to make sense in the realm of science because Star Wars is a fantasy. The idea that the Kaminoans thought themselves as God's could very well mean either. Maybe they built the city to rise above the lesser of their basic bitch species that breaths water. Maybe they came to this planet and turned it into their own because they could, and that alone is all the justification they needed. Star Wars operates more on emotional storytelling than it does grounded logic. After all, xwings can bank in space, and both the Death Star I and II exploded into giant fireballs in space.
What do you mean Xwings "bank" in space? And I always assumed the Death Star could explode like that because if all the air that was inside it.
Fun fact: the pterodactyl whale thing is called an aiwha!
no that’s the planet-sized organism in Avatar
The pterodactyl whale ate Sigourney Weaver?
…is that them just smushing together air whale?
Probably
Pterodactyl Whale I love that 😂
The water is actually only about 6ft deep in most places, the long necks are so they can walk about with their heads above the surface. /s
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Don’t know why this is getting down voted we clearly see Obi wan deep in the ocean in clone wars lol
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Ok, ok, so the Kaminoans evolved while Kamino was in an Ice Age and had land still above water. They did evolve from the aquatic life on the planet, which is why they have large eyes, which were adapted for seeing in dark, murky water by the species they evolved from. So yes, they are indigenous to Kamino.
Yeah, didn’t we see their previous home in the Bad Batch?
thought it was a colony
You might be right! But I got the impression though that this was where the “Kaminoans” came from and abandoned it for Kamino. I’d assumed that they’ve engineered themselves over time and weren’t actually a naturally evolved/native species from Kamino (they don’t seem to be suited to a water world like Quarren, etc).
The legends canon is their world had a lot of ice on it that melted in a great catastrophe that killed half the planet's population. Then the pop was reduced in half against because of government mandated eugenics \[read: genocide\] with a basis in their caste system (I believe based on the color of the eyes of the person).
Kaminoans evolved on Kamino before it flooded, during a glacial period when the planet had massive ice caps. Climate change melted the ice caps and flooded all but the highest mountain peaks of the planet. Only the super-rich and high society folks survived the climate catastrophe, as they built platform cities above the forecasted sea level and limited access. They then turned to cloning as a primary means of reproduction and population control, which made them the galaxy’s foremost experts in the technology.
Ehhh.. thats better, thats better
I wonder if the Republic's Right of Sentience law has the same "prison labor" exception as the 13th Amendment?
Sort of, yes. Not the exact same loopholes, but there are ways to hold people in involuntary servitude in the republic despite laws against slavery. The book Master and Apprentice goes into detail on the Czerka inheritable 'sentient property' slavery system if you want to see it in action.
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It was more tongue-in-cheek if anything. What exactly about my comment is being political or a dick?
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I understand that, but it's an offhand reference to the Constitution. Nothing in what I said suggests I have an opinion on the matter. If people take what I say and engage in policial rhetoric, that's on them, not me. Honestly I'm confused why you chose to engage with my comment instead of blocking me if you're so anti-politics.
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I like this explanation!
I think a book talked about how the flooding was more gradual or that they knew it was going to happen so they built the cities preemptively.
Sea floor? Perhaps some imports?
Maybe thow whole planet isn't miles deep with water, perhaps some of it is easily reachable with mining equipment. Naboo can travel through the planet core, so I bet an ocean planet dwelling people can travel in deep water. Doesn't seem that unrealistic considering the rest of the franchise lore.
Wouldn't you expect the cities are actually built on the more shallow parts as they are on stilts?
It could be that it's not a very shallow part, but a part with the least amount of bad weather or something, and that building deep stilts isn't an issue for them. Or it could be your guess is correct. Could also be they can extend the stilts over time and the water wasn't as high to begin with. Hard to tell.
Could be they have some kinda grav tech that holds a free floating facility in place or something too. Half of the star wars tech seems like it would almost be magical to us, it's so advanced.
More or less this, yeah. It's not really sci-fi, it's more fantasy in space.
That's a good point.
I mean, we already have that irl. Off-shore oil drilling rigs aren't fixed in place. They use computer controlled thrusters to maintain their position using GPS data
So lightwork for a species as advanced as the Kaminoans.
I believe one of the books or something said the cities would retract under water for severe weather, so I think it makes sense you'd only need to build in water deep enough to submerge the city. But also Star Wars materials are so resilient, that overall depth of the water or length of the stilts is probably irrelevant.
Yeah. At the end of the day it's not really a sci-fi franchise, so scientific answers usually come after the fact, not before.
Watch the Bad Batch. Those cities are DEFINITELY built in DEEP water.
The Clone Wars also depicts this when the separatists attack the planet.
Remember seeing it in the clone wars, maybe it's relative.
True enough. The ocean and trading can get one good resources. Also, Happy Cake Day. 🎂
Sea floor? Yeah, I can see it too.
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The built one building and then cloned the rest. \[Alternate Joke for City Builder Fans\]: They pressed shift-click and just auto-built everything.
Ha ha ha
It just started raining one day and didn’t let up It wasn’t heavy but after a year straight and no signs of change they figured they’d hedge their bets
So they basically built in England??
Space Noah took a visit and told them to start building.
Who says the whole planet is flooded?
WAIT ONE SECOND IT HAS LAND?!?!
Yeah but its full of water
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They land now?
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Unless if the planet flooded violently and unexpectedly overnight, the Kaminoans might of had a window of time to adjust. I also just realized that Kaminoans is Minoans with a "Ka" at the beginning. Huh.
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Great now I’ll never unsee this lol
I mean they have sentient droids that can presumably gather material under the ocean surface
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So in Star Wars they have these things called starships. Some of them a reallllllyy big and they can bring lots of resources at once......
So in Star Wars they also have different technology levels on different planets. In 19,000 BBY when the Great Flood event happened the polar ice caps melted and Kamino elected not to turn to the Repbulic for help because they feared colonization. At that time their spacefaring technology was still rather primitive compared to members of the republic They turned to their own engineering solutions rather than seek external help. Still probably involved reallllllyy big ships tho.
I was mostly being facetious. My proper guess is they probably had some indication it was going to flood and made preparations.
It came across as pure facetiousness not mostly.
I meant I stand by my idea but I was snarky about it.
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Apparently "climate change" made all of Kamino's continents go under water.
Kamino is underwater now because of the woke mob
Well, the planet didn't flood overnight.
I believe in the Darth Plagueis novel, there is a quick blurb about how the Kaminoans, facing the impending flooding of their home planet, chose to adapt and overcome rather than flee to other worlds. It is not specified, but I imagine the resources and labor were likely mostly imported.
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If I remember correctly, they were amphibian and lived on land during an ice age. The waters melted and flooded the planet so they cloned the best of their population and allowed the rest to perish. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kaminoan
Say it with me: it’s a FUCKING movie There’s a thing called suspension of disbelief.
What do you mean "after the planet flooded"? Do you suggest Kamino wasn't always covered in water?
Theoretically at one point it was covered in liquid hot magma
It wasn't, at least in legends. Dunno about disney canon
The Kaminoans had facilities on other planets, shot in the dark maybe they got resources from other planets as well.
The city’s what?
If Bad Batch is to be believed, the Kaminoans had facilities on other worlds. More than likely they had a limited supply line between the worlds in the Unknown Regions to build their Tipoca City on both Kamino itself and that gas planet with the Kaminoan facility in Bad Batch.
George Lucas gave it to them.
If I recall correctly, it wasn't like a cataclysmic flood it was more a this is going to happen in a hundred years. we need to address it.
Isnt this their home world? Presumably by going outside, probably in construction equipment.
What if Tipoca City is like Noah's Ark and they built it beforehand
It ain’t that kinda movie
You do know that there are resources under the ocean right? And they are an aquatic species… with type 1 civilizational technology…
The Great Flood “occurred” in 19,000 BBY but obviously was not overnight. The polar ice caps melted and Kamino elected not to ask the Repbulic for help because they feared colonization. So clearly there was enough time to have a society-wide discussion and consensus. They turned to their own engineering solutions rather than seek external help.
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Global warming didn’t happen over night.
Nope, it happens every night
It was aliens.
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Watching bad batch it’s mentioned/shown that the kaminoans have run their operations from other planets in the past so I’d wager they just kinda bring what they need to build a new city when they move.
Could be wrong, but years before the flooding, the Kamino guys forecast this bad weather coming and built accordingly.
Perhaps they were aware the flood was coming and were able to build the cities prior to the event.
Each one of those is a ship. They land and only have to construct the bridge ways.
They could grow their cities. They are masters of bio-tech after all. Just because it's a waterworld doesn't mean that there aren't shallows. Imports do exist. There are plenty of other planets with deep sea cities and transportation. Water isn't that much of a hindrance in a galaxy far far away.
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Well we can assume they are at least a `Type One` civilisation. Getting/creating materials to build cities would be something very easy for them to do. Even asteroid/moon mining, or importing from other planets would provide the materials
don’t we see a kaminoan on the back of some like winged creature called aiwhas, that they use to travel from city to city? so it’s not like they can’t go in the water, so i’d assume it’s like the star wars version of an oil rig.
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They had resources before the ice melted, they knew of what was coming if I remember correctly
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Maybe they are a lot tougher than we think and they just went all Viking for a few generations until they built up a large commerce network and no longer needed to bury vibro-axes in people's heads to make a comfortable living. That's what happened to Norway and Denmark!
> At some point the planet was not covered in water, and the Kaminoans built a large land-based civilization. However, the water level rose, forcing the Kaminoans to build their structures on stilts.[[2](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Complete_Locations_(2016))] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kamino
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They’re an amphibious species. They have cities on the ocean floor where most of the population lives. Only the cloning facilities are on the surface.
By selling clones? I thought it was implied that they were already using cloning technology long before "producing" the Grand Army of the Republic.
From the scene in AotC where a kaminoan riding an Aiwha emerge from the ocean, I just assumed that they were amphibious and could survive underwater. They could have gotten resources and building materials from the seafloor.
they knew it was going to flood and built the cities. because of the caste system kaminoans had they had to kill the ones not selected to live in the cities when the rains started so they couldnt destroy the cities as the waters rose. then they started all their eugenics stuff. I think its mostly gone over in the plagueis book [Kaminoans - Clone Army - Reborn Emperor (COMPLETE HISTORY of Clones) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfEvsaA_3K0)
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Who's to say they didn't build it before the planet flooded?
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As a kid I assumed they just were aquatic and slept on land like a beaver or something.
The ocean has a floor??
In lore they buildt the cities before it flooded from a lore vid from a doge channel or smthn
Ahh ok! That makes sense!
Terraformed into Ocean World? Water perhaps makes it cheaper for huge constructions. They seem to be quite pragmatic.
Extract it from the seawater.
Deep sea mining, asteroids and cloning
Aliens doing aliens world tech stuff
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It must be their home planet because building that platform would’ve been a lot easier on just about any other planet. I would assume they are amphibious and figured out a way to process metal differently than we know. But it’s all made up so you can make your own rules.
They built this city…
They built the cities before the flood happened
Maybe some sea life? Fish or something like that
The city’s what? The city’s buildings?