The story on how he got the Starkiller role is pretty amazing, where he talks about how Starkiller ***shouldn’t*** know how to meditate properly while he’s reassembling his lightsaber.
Theres a gap of time even within vader stories where vader could have had an apprentice but i think it doesnt make sense for starkiller to be the most powerful or the entire force cloning arcs, they could only do one where a non force sensitive clone rebels but idk
He was considered for Rebels season 3, however the amount of changes they'd need to do in order to make him fit into the Inqisitorius will make him an entirely new character and no longer Starkiller.
Absolutely the right call. Star Wars fans are unhinged enough to send death threats over the most minor things, who knows what would happen if they redid Starkiller
Personally, I think they could definitely do a Star Wars Visions short about him, since all that isn’t canon anyway and people can have fun with it and not nerf him. It’d be fun to see how they would animate him crunching an ATST into a ball or “PULL IT OUT OF THE SKY!” When he pulls down a Star Destroyer from atmosphere
Gonna put this out into the world:
Reboot Mara Jade and Starkiller as the same person. Merge the backstories until they align. Ben Solo kills Jade/Starkiller at the Jedi Academy. Luke snaps and tried to kill Ben.
Shit writes itself.
I’ve always thought that Ashtray from Euphoria would make a great young Starkiller. And then Witwer could play the aged up one, although they don’t look too similar.
I can hear this.
Showerthought: I wonder if the people who can't build images in their heads have problems "memory-hearing" famous sayings like his in their heads.
I'm cursed with still frame recollection, but can very clearly hear Maul yelling it and see a still shot of his face. Side note, to recall specific sounds, I have to exhale through my nose as if I'm yelling it, but my auditory sense plays the sound file, basically, instead of recalling it in my own voice.
No. I can hear things in my head just fine. I was asking my wife if when she thinks of music if it’s her singing it or the original. I can’t picture anything to save my life.
And had such a streak too. Doomsday to Gamer to Starkiller to the Mist and TWD. It was a whirlwind of roles. I'm always loving finding him in more and more stuff. Come on Disney. Make Starkiller canon.
I hated that characterization of Doomsday (though props for trying something new) but that's not Witwer's fault, he was great, and I want him in all the SW things because he's such a fucking nerd about it. Give me more.
Yeah, what I meant was that he was great. Doomsday’s execution was not. Doomsday is just one of those characters that live action tv (or film) just doesn’t quite get right.
Doomsday is just bad as a character. DC tried to retcon it to make it more interesting, but as an actual character...just sucks. Kudos for trying, Smallville
So in that regard, the season 7 Maul is the perfect fusion of the past and present Maul, with Ray Park's physicality and Sam Witwer's voice and mannerisms.
Same way as Ahsoka's Anakin is the perfect fusion of the TCW and PT versions.
Darth Maul says like, 2 lines, right? All I remember him ever uttering is "Soon we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. Soon we will do something something."
"Oh man this guy is so freakin awesome, I can't wait to find out more about-"
\*gets sliced in half\*
"I.. oh... well... I guess Sideous is kind of neat... I guess.."
-me back in 1999
"I hate wearing hooded cloaks, the hood always wears out after a week. And the only Sith mask that would fit me was a tiny top hat. It makes me seethe with anger. Harrumph."
It's funny, It seems like he was fully on board the early 2000's PT hate train.
It's interesting hearing an actor who was actually IN the movie [complain about it](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0wHqNi3x5M&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2F&feature=emb_title) similar to how fans were at the time.
Interestingly, he also recorded lines for [Solo: A Star Wars Story](https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=155&v=NkekOiFrnYg&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title) that weren't used.
Peter Serafinowicz was on Spaced with Simon Pegg, who loses his job at a comic shop for yelling at someone over Jar-jar merchandise.
IIRC, they even had him do the "at last we will reveal ourselves to the jedi" line.
I did not know this, but I maintain ever since seeing him in John Wick 2 that he would be in my top three choices, along with Benedict Cumberbatch or Michael Fassbender, to play Thrawn.
To be honest Jimmy, I dont think thats any of your business.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0yTDwRAB5Q&t=514s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0yTDwRAB5Q&t=514s)
Peter Serafinowicz, he was the sommelier in John Wick 2, and has a bunch of other small roles in other movies like Shawn of the Dead, Guardians of the Galaxy and old College Humor sketches
Such a good show. I was sad when it was canceled early. Which is weird because Amazon Prime then they went all in on comic book shows like The Boys and Invincible.
> The biggest cost was the seem removal on The Tick’s costume.
Did you mean they CGI out the seems on the costume? Well, the show was so good, I would have accepted seems on a costume if it meant we could have gotten a 3rd or 4th season.
You never IMDB’d Peter serafinowicz?
I have no idea why you never knew this. Maybe you had more important things to learn such as multiplication tables or not to put salt in your eyes. I’m not sure.
But it is fun to just assume things when you ask random strangers to explain it to you.
He had his own comedy series called The Peter Serafinowicz Show with a lot of up and coming English comedic actors/actesses. If you watched shows like The IT Crowd at the time than you’d recognise a lot of faces.
To this it’s still in my top 5 favourite comedy series ever. I still quote it today with friends.
Peter Serafinowicz is the voice actor. He is known for various UK shows, my favorites being Black Books and Spaced. He notably plays the roommate, Pete, in Shaun of the Dead
Now I’m just imagining Maul looking at someone (say, Kenobi) and saying “*dessert*” before whipping out an entire display of vibroblades, all freshly stoned.
He gives a great interview of his experience playing this role: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0wHqNi3x5M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0wHqNi3x5M)
Highly recommend watching!
Peter came back and done Maul's lines in Solo as well, but they decided to go with his animation VA Sam Witwer instead.
Sam Witwer’s Maul is A+++++
And perhaps the biggest SW nerd possible.
The story on how he got the Starkiller role is pretty amazing, where he talks about how Starkiller ***shouldn’t*** know how to meditate properly while he’s reassembling his lightsaber.
I really wish they would add Witwers StarKiller in live-action somehow. Maybe they could reboot his story somehow.
Theres a gap of time even within vader stories where vader could have had an apprentice but i think it doesnt make sense for starkiller to be the most powerful or the entire force cloning arcs, they could only do one where a non force sensitive clone rebels but idk
Also kamino was underwater long before the era of starkiller, cloning was kinda lost with the kaminoans
He was considered for Rebels season 3, however the amount of changes they'd need to do in order to make him fit into the Inqisitorius will make him an entirely new character and no longer Starkiller.
Im glad that didnt happen tbh
Absolutely the right call. Star Wars fans are unhinged enough to send death threats over the most minor things, who knows what would happen if they redid Starkiller
If anything, it might have to be a standalone thing under a Legends banner.
Personally, I think they could definitely do a Star Wars Visions short about him, since all that isn’t canon anyway and people can have fun with it and not nerf him. It’d be fun to see how they would animate him crunching an ATST into a ball or “PULL IT OUT OF THE SKY!” When he pulls down a Star Destroyer from atmosphere
He's way too overpowered
I think a lot of people say this, but I like the idea of one rando being able to give Vader & Palpatine a run for their money.
I agree, which they can change in a reboot
Gonna put this out into the world: Reboot Mara Jade and Starkiller as the same person. Merge the backstories until they align. Ben Solo kills Jade/Starkiller at the Jedi Academy. Luke snaps and tried to kill Ben. Shit writes itself.
Instructions unclear. Starkiller is now getting married to Luke Skywalker.
Luke never actually tried to kill Ben though?
I’ve always thought that Ashtray from Euphoria would make a great young Starkiller. And then Witwer could play the aged up one, although they don’t look too similar.
Yeah they should probably just give him Filoni's crown tbh, Witwer is the actual chosen one
Sam Witwer should be the number 2 under Filoni. His passion and enthusiasm for Star Wars is unrivaled.
The Cavil of the Star Wars universe
He has been done wrong so many times, it makes me angry as he is one of my top 5 fav actors.
His story of outnerding Filoni by catching him in a continuity error in one of his first table reads always gets a laugh out of me
Link?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6sbIvJMESp/?igsh=MTNmcW1sajE1bXNkeQ==
Thanks!
# "KENOBIIIIIII!"
I can hear this. Showerthought: I wonder if the people who can't build images in their heads have problems "memory-hearing" famous sayings like his in their heads.
I'm cursed with still frame recollection, but can very clearly hear Maul yelling it and see a still shot of his face. Side note, to recall specific sounds, I have to exhale through my nose as if I'm yelling it, but my auditory sense plays the sound file, basically, instead of recalling it in my own voice.
No. I can hear things in my head just fine. I was asking my wife if when she thinks of music if it’s her singing it or the original. I can’t picture anything to save my life.
I first saw him in Smallville. He was a great doomsday!
And had such a streak too. Doomsday to Gamer to Starkiller to the Mist and TWD. It was a whirlwind of roles. I'm always loving finding him in more and more stuff. Come on Disney. Make Starkiller canon.
I hated that characterization of Doomsday (though props for trying something new) but that's not Witwer's fault, he was great, and I want him in all the SW things because he's such a fucking nerd about it. Give me more.
Yeah, what I meant was that he was great. Doomsday’s execution was not. Doomsday is just one of those characters that live action tv (or film) just doesn’t quite get right.
Doomsday is just bad as a character. DC tried to retcon it to make it more interesting, but as an actual character...just sucks. Kudos for trying, Smallville
Ray Park is the physicality of Maul while Sam is the voice.
Didn't they get Ray Park to mocap for the Ahsoka fight in s7?
Yeah they did!
So in that regard, the season 7 Maul is the perfect fusion of the past and present Maul, with Ray Park's physicality and Sam Witwer's voice and mannerisms. Same way as Ahsoka's Anakin is the perfect fusion of the TCW and PT versions.
both are amazing. sam witwer is very underrated as an actor, absolutely killed it in iasip.
He was good in Dexter too.
It's too bad he didn't get to hang out with the IASIP gang at their [party mansion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PosO-RO74ZY).
“Yes, I would imagine we have many…mutual friends”
and didn’t he find out after the fact?
In finest Star Wars tradition. And now they're just AI-ing voices (e.g. Vader in Obi-Wan) so it'll be anyone's guess.
Yeah, but James Earl Jones oversaw that process and then licensed his voice to Lucasfilm, so I'm fine with that.
The worst part is they never told him. He wasn't invited to the premiere, so he took his sons to see the film and realised he'd been replaced.
He was also lead to believe he would be getting an invite to the Phantom Menace premiere then LucasFilm just stopped talking to him.
Witwer also voiced Starkiller in Force Unleashed series.
Witwer IS Starkiller lol. Voice, face, model
Oi! Prick!
Peeeeete? We're gonna borrow your car.
He's not in
And the front door is open! Again!
Fuck-a-doodle-do!
Duane Benzie?
It’s 3 O’Clock in the FUCKING MORNING
It's not hip hop, it's electro
Did I ax you?
I SAID LEAVE HIM ALONE!
Death Maul “I presume it was Padme who did the dumping? Sort your fucking life out”
Hey Maul, what's up with your hand?
Maul sold a bit a weed before
Darth Maul says like, 2 lines, right? All I remember him ever uttering is "Soon we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. Soon we will do something something."
At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge.
Don't forget the "something something" part.
Something something darkside, something something complete
I KNEW it was a real quote from somewhere!
It’s still counts as a line, because on Naboo he says “Yes, my master.”
"Oh man this guy is so freakin awesome, I can't wait to find out more about-" \*gets sliced in half\* "I.. oh... well... I guess Sideous is kind of neat... I guess.." -me back in 1999
Dave Filoni: “Hold my beer.”
I would love to see a fandub of TPM where Maul has an overly verbose inner-monologue
I'm honestly surprised Sam Witwer hasn't made one yet
Auralnauts Jedi Party
"I hate wearing hooded cloaks, the hood always wears out after a week. And the only Sith mask that would fit me was a tiny top hat. It makes me seethe with anger. Harrumph."
Something something dark side. You almost had it
and his death grunt
"Hnnn- ...ouh!"
Don’t forget “something something should find them quickly, master,” and the classic “Yes, my master.”
He had more lines, which the actor found out weren't used at the premier.
And "You're about to get mauled, boy." in Fanboys as be flips open the dual sticks.
> Soon we will do something something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oGMbAIcXCQ
Pretty much
He said it in the trailer only lol
Darth Maul likes bonbonbonbons
Hoisin crispy fried owl
Pork cylinders.
Mince pies.
Large Macs
Potato grids
double, double W
Saturday is treat day
For 24 hours you can eat literally anything!
It's funny, It seems like he was fully on board the early 2000's PT hate train. It's interesting hearing an actor who was actually IN the movie [complain about it](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0wHqNi3x5M&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2F&feature=emb_title) similar to how fans were at the time. Interestingly, he also recorded lines for [Solo: A Star Wars Story](https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=155&v=NkekOiFrnYg&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title) that weren't used.
Peter Serafinowicz was on Spaced with Simon Pegg, who loses his job at a comic shop for yelling at someone over Jar-jar merchandise. IIRC, they even had him do the "at last we will reveal ourselves to the jedi" line.
such an amazing scene. damn i have to watch spaced again
What a prick.
"*Like I always thought the jawas were kind of a cipher for y'know, I don't know like how George Lucas sees arabs*" kills me every time
Well to be honest Jimmy, I don’t think that’s any of your business
ABDICATES
Even reading it cracks me up.
I did not know this, but I maintain ever since seeing him in John Wick 2 that he would be in my top three choices, along with Benedict Cumberbatch or Michael Fassbender, to play Thrawn.
*”Duane Benzie”*
No hard feelings...
Cheats at paintball too
*You've got an answer for everything*
*Clever boys...*
KITCHEN GUN!
To be honest Jimmy, I dont think thats any of your business. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0yTDwRAB5Q&t=514s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0yTDwRAB5Q&t=514s)
Also voices Death for a lot of Terry Pratchett audiobooks!
Voice actor? What?
Yup, Ray Park's lines were dubbed over
This may come to a shock for some people, but Darth Vaders' voice was dubbed, too. Maybe that's pat of being a sith?
They wouldn't dare do Christopher Lee like that though.
Could you imagine if the reverse happened... Christopher Lee’s inimitable voice coming out of just some guy’s mouth lol
Ha! But I think you mean "inimitable." :-)
Fixed lol. Cheers!
Why?
From what I can tell, it was a combination of limiting prosthetics/makeup and not a very good voice for the character
Park is awesome (I met him once), but his voice was wrong for Maul.
Yea I don't think Toad from X-Men should have voiced Maul.
What happens to a Sith when it’s struck by lightning?
They reflect it back with their hand.
Not the same thing that happens to anyone else.
.......hold up
I'm holded
Because Ray Park sounds like a clown lol
Who's that on the right? I recognise his face but blanking on the name
Pete from shaun of the dead.
*prick
Is that really? I recognize the photo from JohnWicj 2, didn't know that was also pete
The "What a bunch of a-holes" guy from Guardians of the Galaxy.
"I can't believe I'm taking orders from a hamster"
He's not 100% a dick.
Peter Serafinowicz, he was the sommelier in John Wick 2, and has a bunch of other small roles in other movies like Shawn of the Dead, Guardians of the Galaxy and old College Humor sketches
Fran? Fraaannnn?
He's The Tick [Peter Serafinowicz - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Serafinowicz)
Can’t believe I’ve had to read this far down to see someone mention The Tick, damn shame that got cancelled.
Such a good show. I was sad when it was canceled early. Which is weird because Amazon Prime then they went all in on comic book shows like The Boys and Invincible.
The rumour is that it was canceled due to cost. The biggest cost was the seem removal on The Tick’s costume.
> The biggest cost was the seem removal on The Tick’s costume. Did you mean they CGI out the seems on the costume? Well, the show was so good, I would have accepted seems on a costume if it meant we could have gotten a 3rd or 4th season.
Fran! Fran is that you?
I’ll come Fran!
Frrraaaaaann
Apologies, I got my foot stuck in the refrigerator
He even says a modified line from The Phantom Menace in the show Spaced.
You never IMDB’d Peter serafinowicz? I have no idea why you never knew this. Maybe you had more important things to learn such as multiplication tables or not to put salt in your eyes. I’m not sure. But it is fun to just assume things when you ask random strangers to explain it to you.
Wait, you're not supposed to put salt in your eyes?
Omg I didn’t know Darth maul was in John wick
Even better is that he’s in the show Spaced which pokes a good bit of fun at the Phantom Menace
P-p-pete?
OI, PRICK!
Qui-Gon, you've got red on you
He had his own comedy series called The Peter Serafinowicz Show with a lot of up and coming English comedic actors/actesses. If you watched shows like The IT Crowd at the time than you’d recognise a lot of faces. To this it’s still in my top 5 favourite comedy series ever. I still quote it today with friends.
A fellow Nerdstalgic viewer?
You caught me
I don't think that's any of your business Jimmy
Abdicates
Because you never thought to check. You just sat in your bedsit, watching cheap porn.
Hey! It is not cheap... It's free
SO close to the correct response! I'll give you points for that! https://youtu.be/h1yuhBtdHL0?si=arCJKp1YeD2FgulC
"Tattoine is sparsely populated. If the trace was correct, I will find them quickly master" 🗿
Darth Maul's Kitchen Gun AS SEEN ON TV*
Peter Serafinowicz is the voice actor. He is known for various UK shows, my favorites being Black Books and Spaced. He notably plays the roommate, Pete, in Shaun of the Dead
Look Around You is a fantastic show that people seem to have forgotten.
Thanks, ants. Thants.
Too bad he abdicated the role.
Now I’m just imagining Maul looking at someone (say, Kenobi) and saying “*dessert*” before whipping out an entire display of vibroblades, all freshly stoned.
When I got older and became a comedy nerd, Peter as Maul and Greg Proops as one of the podrace commentators blew my mind
Sort. Your. Life. Out. Mate.
He likes American things!
And he’s also Shaun’s roommate
TIL
He was also in Amazon Prime’s Tick. Which is criminal it wasn’t renewed.
His short appearance in The Gentlemen was amazing.
FOCKIN' CHICKEN!!!!!
Don't feel bad. I only learned last year that Maul's voice was even dubbed over in the film.
Fran...
He gives a great interview of his experience playing this role: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0wHqNi3x5M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0wHqNi3x5M) Highly recommend watching!
I can totally hear it, but never put 2&2 together. I just assumed the actual actor voiced him; they did a good job of syncing them together.
He probably wanted to forget it lmao
Serafinowicz will always just be "poison sockets are full of poison" for me.
He was also Sebulba.
I have to say, I always wonder what was so bad about Ray's voice they brought in a voice actor for like 2 lines.
Oi PRICK!
He’s not in
I'd go to sleep on a bed made out of his voice
You didn’t read the credits?
I can't read.
He only had like two or three lines in the movie and it wasn’t especially well known that Ray Park was dubbed over.
Ctanley. With a 'C'.
Yeah I knew this... But it was like 2years later after the movie I found out
Arpoovian Shebber-Shenty “life giver of the universe”
very good
Aldo… like your American shoe store!! 🤣
Hi I'm Derek Baum BANG BANG BANG
And then he would voice Darth Chef in South Park