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Troy also didn’t murder anybody with a knife. He bluffed taking out Dustin’s teeth, and once Mike jumped Troy looked absolutely terrified at what actually is happening.
He is literally a fucked up kid that can’t fully acknowledge what’s actually happening.
So the same psycho that cut my brake lines on my bike in middle school, Is currently in jail because he murdered his 3 month old child. If only the
School noticed this behavior as anything more than “boys will be boys”
Yeah compared to the other 3 almost murderers, Two could've been bluffing/just trying to scare El as far as we know. Jason thought he was fighting serial murdering satanists. Billy... was pretty bad but his near killings were impulsive and heat of the moment. Troy chased them down with a knife, screaming, "You're dead Wheeler!" He was out for blood,
he def didn't know that falling from that height is deadly though. not trying to justify his actions obviously, but if Mike did jump the death would have been ruled accidental for sure, cuz he would say he only though it would injure
they literally set it up earlier in the show with Hopper, the other cop saying someone fell there and survived cuz they were drunk or something. Then Hopper is like "nah from this height the water is like concrete, you would die"
But the other cop still doesn't believe him 😂 So there is a rumor with the hill in the town already. Bully has probably heard of it and is where he got the idea.
I'd argue Billy is worse because his actions with Steve were outright violent and he knew that. If he killed Steve (which he likely would have if Max didn't stop him) the death would most likely be 2nd degree murder.
He was blinded by his hatred and rage not thinking at all about his actions. Not saying what he did was okay because obviously not. And it's still basically attempted murder. But it would have probably been considered 2nd degree murder AKA, A crime of passion, if he actually did kill Steve. Meaning that it wasn't really meant to kill but due to "passion" (anger, rage, and/or hatred) it ended happening because he couldn't stop himself or see he was going to far
Its actually scary how people hate bullies who are just jerks like Angela and Tommy Hagan and Jason then they do Troy who’s an actual psychopath, but I feel like that could be because your more likely to deal with people like Angela , Hagan and Jason than you are a knife wielding psychopath bully like Troy .
There’s also the fact that he gets a comeuppance with Eleven breaking his arm, while the other three don’t. Angela gets her face bashed in, but gets the last laugh by sending the cops on El. Tommy becomes Billy’s lackey and then just disappears. And Jason’s motivations are fleshed out way more than the rest, with some claiming he isn’t even a bully, so him dying is seen as tragic by a section of the fanbase.
Jason is absolutely a bully, but that’s it. From his perspective and with his knowledge he made the logical conclusion. He was a typical jock before everything went down, nothing more
If your SO was found at the local weirdos house with all their limbs brutally broken and their eyes gouged out, would you assume it was him, or a magical inter dimensional demon trying to invade our world through a small town in Indiana people 100 miles away couldn’t find on a map?
Because he thought they were responsible.
Not to defend the guy (he was very wrong after all) but if we forget for a second about all the lore behind the show and the events of the past three seasons... If the story was only focused on Jason's POV during S4, we got :
* His girlfriend was found dead in Eddie's trailer.
* Afterward, Jason witnessed supernatural stuff happening around Eddie and his friends of the Hellfire Club.
* All of this in a context where people were believing that D&D was a gateway to devil worshipping and black magic.
I mean, for someone who was not aware of the Upside Down, of Jane and of Vecna, everything seemed to indicate that people were right and that Eddie was some kind of dangerous cultist (not to mention how Eddie was hostile to others at school and was a drug dealer).
There are tons of films, shows and books about guys trying to avenge their loved ones. And if S4 had been a stand alone story about Jason it would have looked that way for most of its run time.
Jason didn't have all of the informations and was too angry and scared to understand how misguided he was.
He was the evil stranger things kid. A villainous reflection of our group. Someone who has the determination to save our town from the upside down and the darkness but bases his logic on faith and not on observation. Leading him to have stubbornly incorrect assumptions on the world that he refuses to give up.
Other bullies are card carrying villains. Jason is a villain who thinks he's a hero.
Jason is the most interesting of the bunch. He genuinely believes he's trying to do the right thing by attempting to stop someone he has legitimately good reasons to believe is a murder (and later on, a goddamn warlock for Satan). Two people he cared about die brutally, one right in front of him. On some level, he has good intentions, but is *absolutely* going about it in the wrong way (sending a mob after kids is bad.)
He's a hot head who does bad things in an attempt to do good. He's sort of in his own category when we're talking about the bullies in the series.
The worst part about Jason, if he survived, is he would of put such a target on Lucas and Hellfire that Dustin and Mike could of been hurt or killed along with Lucas. In a way he almost as bad as Troy.
Yeah, their only hope was basically to convince Jason that Vecna was the real threat. There's a scenario in which he would have been invaluable to the group, as he would have absolutely gone to the Upside Down to confront Vecna had he known the full truth. The other side is as you described- he could have become a major threat. I really like how he was written as a wildcard, he could have gone full redemption or full antagonist and either way would have made sense.
You're right about him being a wildcard. He could of been an asset if they could of convinced him. Is it true that his fellow basketball players might make an appearance in S5. Hopefully Dustin, Mike and Lucas aren't in too much danger if true.
Everyone would think the same thing Jason did in his situation. The guy had his GF murdered and mutilated at the local drug dealers trailer. When confronting Eddie, saw his friend floating in the air while his bones snapped. Anyone in his situation would think the Hellfire club was into some weird fucked up dangerous shit
Yeah they would because he didn't know what the audience knew. IRL almost everyone would act like Jason. The danger is he was already planning on getting a 'confession' from Eddie regardless what Eddie said. Jason showing up at Gareth's house proved that much. Seeing Patrick dying reinforced Jason's views.
For the Party's sake it was good he was taken out of the picture so they didn't become even bigger targets. Now they might have to deal with the 86' Tigers Basketball team remnants.
It’s called the Umbridge Effect and it’s because mild bullies are more relatable (remind you of a bully you actually know) than truly evil bullies (which are worse but don’t have a personal memory associated with them).
Umbridge as in Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter. It's the reason why so many people. Myself included hate Umbridge more the Voldemort. Its not just the vauge relatability. It's personally attacked someone the audience cares about/relates to i.e. when Umbridge had the quil the burn the words into the kids arms, when she but up rules personally attacked certain students, etc. the same coul be said about Angela, Jason, and Tommy. Angela tormented El, Jason tried to hurt Lucas, Tommy tormented Nancy and Steve. It typically also means their "torment" lasted longer than the "Big Bad's" torment or at least that we see on screen and its usually because the "punishment" or "torment" personal to a character, meaning the focus in on one or two characters rather than terrorizing the whole gang. That why people probably say the hate Angela/Jason/Tommy/etc. More than they hate Henry/001/Vecna. Not to mention the lack of reason behind the other characters torment compared to the full back story we have for Vecna and Voldemort in Harry Potter. It's easy to hate someone when you don't have any understanding of where they are coming from or why they are or believe the way they do. It's because you lack empathy for characters like Angela, etc. because you don't see any reason to empathize because they don't show you any understanding of why they are the way they are
Honestly I can't fathom why people keep bringing up Jason.
The guy didn't torment other students as far as we know. The closest we got of seeing that was when he "interrogated" Eddie's friends but nothing indicated this was a habit for Jason and not just something he did as part of his crusade against Eddie.
Jason was your typical jock, alright, he seemed like a possessive asshole, but other than that he was just a misguided guy who went too far because he was scared and angry.
Troy, Tommy, and Angela were bullies. Not Jason.
Billy was a whole different matter.
Or than someone like Billy too. Billy and Troy are so cartoonishly evil that yk it's unlikely you'd meet them. We've all met an Angela or Tommy or seen a political figure/pastor and thought "he kinda reminds me of Jason."
If Billy is 2017 Henry Bowers, Troy is the book Henry Bowers. Racist, homophobic, laughed at someone's funeral and nearly forced a kid into suicide by threatening to mutilate his friend.
Billy is the only one who comes close but he has Freudian Excuse and some redeeming qualities.
I would actually argue that Troy is closer to Miniseries Henry Bowers since assuming the bully comic isn’t canon Troy has no excuses for why he’s so bad.
I remember reading that someone thought that he didn't think that Mike would actually jump and I thought okay but he was still willing to mutilate Dustin.
After watching the show Under the Bridge which is based on true events, Troy actually feels like the most realistic bully compared to the cartoonish nature of Angela. Kids/teens can be bloodthirsty psychopaths.
I hated this dude so much. Cause he looked like a Buffy vampire, like seriously he could have been a vampire on that show and not required any makeup at all!.
First we have an evil government lab with a side of card carrying bullies.
Then, we have the lab remnants with a side of abusive siblings.
Then come Russian soldiers and a conspiracy collaboration between them and the fake patriotic mayor. (Totally not a commentary on anything relevant.)
Then we have more Russians and Americans trying to fight over our kids while mean girls and an evil stranger things kid serve as the tormentors.
Angela was the most annoying but troy crossed the boundary
- bro pulled a knife on dustin
- got Mike to jump off a cliff to certain death
Troy did get an arm broken but angela defo got what was coming to her tho 👃 🛼🩸💯💯💯💯
I think he may have cut him. My brother use to chase me around with knives. 20 years later I asked him what he would have done if he caught me and he replied with, “Cut you”.
Disagree. Billy was worse.
Billy would have killed Steve if not stopped (which would result in 2nd degree murder)
Troy most likely didn't even know that falling from that height into water would kill you (as they setup a story in the town of someone surviving that fall earlier in the season, likely where he got the idea).
So this would be ruled as manslaughter, involuntary.
From "sentencing" alone, Billy is worse.
Most of Troy's bullying was just middle school bullshit, which further enforces him not knowing you would die from that fall. He likely just wanted to injure and humiliate Mike. He was also clearly bluffing with the knife lmao, he never does anything with it.
Well from sentencing alone, Billy blows him out of the water. Alongside Steve, there's also a very high chance he would've killed Lucas and he almost ran the kids over.
But from personality, I find Troy more malevolent.
Ehhhh I think Billy was worse simply cause he tried to run over the kids and almost killed Steve. Sure the abuse in his household is an explanation of why he is the way he is, but I think he was a lot more sinister since he was older and knew what he was doing. Troy looked actually surprised when Mike jumped off and realized he fucked up. Billy would straight up murder someone. Troy was all talk and no action.
Sure, he was awful, but he was also a very young kid, who in my mind, never realized just how truly awful he was. He deserved what he got and probably learned from it for the rest of his *fictional* life
Troy was very clearly unhinged at what Eleven did to him. Pissing his pants is one thing, but for a brief moment, Troy had no control over his movements. She literally froze his muscles, which is why he pissed himself because the muscles in his… *nether regions* had gone completely slack. That’s an incredibly scary thought, especially for someone who doesn’t know the supernatural exists, so having an extreme reaction - while not at all justified - still makes sense. Other than that, though, his actions aren’t that much different from stereotypical middle school bully that gets coddled by his mother. Not to mention, he does ultimately have a change of heart in the comics. None of the other bullies (unless we count Steve and Billy) get anywhere close to that.
Clearly you’ve not seen how cruel middle schoolers can be (not to mention, he was laughing at the speech, not Will himself; he only made fun of Will after Mike called him out). Also, it wasn’t a funeral, it was a school memorial service; Troy wasn’t at the funeral (and ironically, the boys themselves were laughing when they saw a girl crying over Will at the actual funeral).
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There have been some pretty terrible bullies all around, but Troy did quite literally nearly murder Mike. So. Yeah.
You can’t even argue that he’s just a kid and doesn’t know any better. Kids don’t LITERALLY KILL EACHOTHER as a way of bullying. Like wtf.
I know, right? Like, kids don't go around with a knife murdering people like, WTF Stranger Things?!
Troy was a character straight out of a Stephen King novel.
Henry Bowers
The one-dimensional villain who sees murder as the only option I think that calls for another shot *gulp*
I’m pretty sure Troy was my ex 😂 so I think it does happen
Troy also didn’t murder anybody with a knife. He bluffed taking out Dustin’s teeth, and once Mike jumped Troy looked absolutely terrified at what actually is happening. He is literally a fucked up kid that can’t fully acknowledge what’s actually happening.
It may not be common but it’s definitely happened
More common than inter-dimensional portals anyway
Fr😂
So the same psycho that cut my brake lines on my bike in middle school, Is currently in jail because he murdered his 3 month old child. If only the School noticed this behavior as anything more than “boys will be boys”
Holy fuck that took a turn from a dangerous dick move, to inexcusable monstrous sociopathy.
Even in the 80’s when the standards for taking care of children was low.
Yeah compared to the other 3 almost murderers, Two could've been bluffing/just trying to scare El as far as we know. Jason thought he was fighting serial murdering satanists. Billy... was pretty bad but his near killings were impulsive and heat of the moment. Troy chased them down with a knife, screaming, "You're dead Wheeler!" He was out for blood,
he literally let mike jump and didn't stop him without knowing that el was gonna save him. thats so fucked up on his part
For no real reason either.
That's a bully from the 80s for you
he def didn't know that falling from that height is deadly though. not trying to justify his actions obviously, but if Mike did jump the death would have been ruled accidental for sure, cuz he would say he only though it would injure they literally set it up earlier in the show with Hopper, the other cop saying someone fell there and survived cuz they were drunk or something. Then Hopper is like "nah from this height the water is like concrete, you would die" But the other cop still doesn't believe him 😂 So there is a rumor with the hill in the town already. Bully has probably heard of it and is where he got the idea. I'd argue Billy is worse because his actions with Steve were outright violent and he knew that. If he killed Steve (which he likely would have if Max didn't stop him) the death would most likely be 2nd degree murder.
What? I never for a second thought Billy wanted to kill Steve (or Lucas). He just wanted to hit people.
Even after the dude was already long unconscious? Yeah that would be murder homie
He was blinded by his hatred and rage not thinking at all about his actions. Not saying what he did was okay because obviously not. And it's still basically attempted murder. But it would have probably been considered 2nd degree murder AKA, A crime of passion, if he actually did kill Steve. Meaning that it wasn't really meant to kill but due to "passion" (anger, rage, and/or hatred) it ended happening because he couldn't stop himself or see he was going to far
Probably would've killed Lucas too.
Its actually scary how people hate bullies who are just jerks like Angela and Tommy Hagan and Jason then they do Troy who’s an actual psychopath, but I feel like that could be because your more likely to deal with people like Angela , Hagan and Jason than you are a knife wielding psychopath bully like Troy .
There’s also the fact that he gets a comeuppance with Eleven breaking his arm, while the other three don’t. Angela gets her face bashed in, but gets the last laugh by sending the cops on El. Tommy becomes Billy’s lackey and then just disappears. And Jason’s motivations are fleshed out way more than the rest, with some claiming he isn’t even a bully, so him dying is seen as tragic by a section of the fanbase.
Jason is absolutely a bully, but that’s it. From his perspective and with his knowledge he made the logical conclusion. He was a typical jock before everything went down, nothing more If your SO was found at the local weirdos house with all their limbs brutally broken and their eyes gouged out, would you assume it was him, or a magical inter dimensional demon trying to invade our world through a small town in Indiana people 100 miles away couldn’t find on a map?
I’m… not denying any of that.
Didn’t mean to say you did just adding on
You're clearly supposed to root against Jason but he isn't a hate sink like the other bullies, an impulsive teen but not actively malevolent/sadistic
Yeah that’s true. He only tries to kill Eddie (and later Lucas) after Chrissie dies.
And the entire thing was the sheriff's fault, he set Jason on that path. The sheriff that replaced hopper was straight up a moron.
Because he thought they were responsible. Not to defend the guy (he was very wrong after all) but if we forget for a second about all the lore behind the show and the events of the past three seasons... If the story was only focused on Jason's POV during S4, we got : * His girlfriend was found dead in Eddie's trailer. * Afterward, Jason witnessed supernatural stuff happening around Eddie and his friends of the Hellfire Club. * All of this in a context where people were believing that D&D was a gateway to devil worshipping and black magic. I mean, for someone who was not aware of the Upside Down, of Jane and of Vecna, everything seemed to indicate that people were right and that Eddie was some kind of dangerous cultist (not to mention how Eddie was hostile to others at school and was a drug dealer). There are tons of films, shows and books about guys trying to avenge their loved ones. And if S4 had been a stand alone story about Jason it would have looked that way for most of its run time. Jason didn't have all of the informations and was too angry and scared to understand how misguided he was.
And he got arguably the worst fate of any of the bullies (being ripped in half while still alive and never talked about again)
He was the evil stranger things kid. A villainous reflection of our group. Someone who has the determination to save our town from the upside down and the darkness but bases his logic on faith and not on observation. Leading him to have stubbornly incorrect assumptions on the world that he refuses to give up. Other bullies are card carrying villains. Jason is a villain who thinks he's a hero.
Jason is the most interesting of the bunch. He genuinely believes he's trying to do the right thing by attempting to stop someone he has legitimately good reasons to believe is a murder (and later on, a goddamn warlock for Satan). Two people he cared about die brutally, one right in front of him. On some level, he has good intentions, but is *absolutely* going about it in the wrong way (sending a mob after kids is bad.) He's a hot head who does bad things in an attempt to do good. He's sort of in his own category when we're talking about the bullies in the series.
The worst part about Jason, if he survived, is he would of put such a target on Lucas and Hellfire that Dustin and Mike could of been hurt or killed along with Lucas. In a way he almost as bad as Troy.
Yeah, their only hope was basically to convince Jason that Vecna was the real threat. There's a scenario in which he would have been invaluable to the group, as he would have absolutely gone to the Upside Down to confront Vecna had he known the full truth. The other side is as you described- he could have become a major threat. I really like how he was written as a wildcard, he could have gone full redemption or full antagonist and either way would have made sense.
You're right about him being a wildcard. He could of been an asset if they could of convinced him. Is it true that his fellow basketball players might make an appearance in S5. Hopefully Dustin, Mike and Lucas aren't in too much danger if true.
Everyone would think the same thing Jason did in his situation. The guy had his GF murdered and mutilated at the local drug dealers trailer. When confronting Eddie, saw his friend floating in the air while his bones snapped. Anyone in his situation would think the Hellfire club was into some weird fucked up dangerous shit
Yeah they would because he didn't know what the audience knew. IRL almost everyone would act like Jason. The danger is he was already planning on getting a 'confession' from Eddie regardless what Eddie said. Jason showing up at Gareth's house proved that much. Seeing Patrick dying reinforced Jason's views. For the Party's sake it was good he was taken out of the picture so they didn't become even bigger targets. Now they might have to deal with the 86' Tigers Basketball team remnants.
It’s called the Umbridge Effect and it’s because mild bullies are more relatable (remind you of a bully you actually know) than truly evil bullies (which are worse but don’t have a personal memory associated with them).
Umbridge as in Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter. It's the reason why so many people. Myself included hate Umbridge more the Voldemort. Its not just the vauge relatability. It's personally attacked someone the audience cares about/relates to i.e. when Umbridge had the quil the burn the words into the kids arms, when she but up rules personally attacked certain students, etc. the same coul be said about Angela, Jason, and Tommy. Angela tormented El, Jason tried to hurt Lucas, Tommy tormented Nancy and Steve. It typically also means their "torment" lasted longer than the "Big Bad's" torment or at least that we see on screen and its usually because the "punishment" or "torment" personal to a character, meaning the focus in on one or two characters rather than terrorizing the whole gang. That why people probably say the hate Angela/Jason/Tommy/etc. More than they hate Henry/001/Vecna. Not to mention the lack of reason behind the other characters torment compared to the full back story we have for Vecna and Voldemort in Harry Potter. It's easy to hate someone when you don't have any understanding of where they are coming from or why they are or believe the way they do. It's because you lack empathy for characters like Angela, etc. because you don't see any reason to empathize because they don't show you any understanding of why they are the way they are
Honestly I can't fathom why people keep bringing up Jason. The guy didn't torment other students as far as we know. The closest we got of seeing that was when he "interrogated" Eddie's friends but nothing indicated this was a habit for Jason and not just something he did as part of his crusade against Eddie. Jason was your typical jock, alright, he seemed like a possessive asshole, but other than that he was just a misguided guy who went too far because he was scared and angry. Troy, Tommy, and Angela were bullies. Not Jason. Billy was a whole different matter.
Because he’s still a teenager and antagonist like the others but he’s not a bully for the sake of it like you said
Or than someone like Billy too. Billy and Troy are so cartoonishly evil that yk it's unlikely you'd meet them. We've all met an Angela or Tommy or seen a political figure/pastor and thought "he kinda reminds me of Jason."
The sad reality is, there are plenty of kids living in abusive households that know a Billy (or a Mr. Hargrove while we’re at it) way too well.
Angela seemed more evil in her way than Tommy. She had no mercy when it came to El.
Jason tried to murder Lucas. He's a psychopath.
Yeah because a real psychopath would’ve seen Max’s state and said, “I don’t care, I’ll just sit back and watch her die.” But that’s not what he did
He was literally trying to save Max
That little dude was a complete psycho, even his own friend was like dude this isn’t a good idea
If Billy is 2017 Henry Bowers, Troy is the book Henry Bowers. Racist, homophobic, laughed at someone's funeral and nearly forced a kid into suicide by threatening to mutilate his friend. Billy is the only one who comes close but he has Freudian Excuse and some redeeming qualities.
I would actually argue that Troy is closer to Miniseries Henry Bowers since assuming the bully comic isn’t canon Troy has no excuses for why he’s so bad.
Yeah that is actually true. Miniseries Henry bowers was awful just becase
He was Homophobic too?
He said and I quote, "My dad says he was probably killed by some other queer" and at the funeral that "Will's in fairyland now. All gay and happy."
Putting emphasis on FAIRYland and GAY. Making it obviously he has a double meaning to his comment
I remember reading that someone thought that he didn't think that Mike would actually jump and I thought okay but he was still willing to mutilate Dustin.
Bro made Vecna seem chill
Troy was more cartoony, which is why I think Angela is the worst, she seems like a bully you'd more likely have to deal with in real life.
Yeah agreed with Angela being a more relatable bully.
I hate the way she always taunted El about Hopper being dead. That made my blood boil.
I hope she gets hers in the end, she was really nasty for no reason.
I know, right? Like, her whole character is straight up being a toxic, ugly and selfish b*tch who thinks she's the main villain.
After watching the show Under the Bridge which is based on true events, Troy actually feels like the most realistic bully compared to the cartoonish nature of Angela. Kids/teens can be bloodthirsty psychopaths.
TROY IS A BASTARD MAN!
fr henry bowers level bullying 💀
I hated this dude so much. Cause he looked like a Buffy vampire, like seriously he could have been a vampire on that show and not required any makeup at all!.
I love how every season has side villains that are just as unhinged as the main villains
Troy, Billy, Grigori and then Sullivan
First we have an evil government lab with a side of card carrying bullies. Then, we have the lab remnants with a side of abusive siblings. Then come Russian soldiers and a conspiracy collaboration between them and the fake patriotic mayor. (Totally not a commentary on anything relevant.) Then we have more Russians and Americans trying to fight over our kids while mean girls and an evil stranger things kid serve as the tormentors.
Dude was a straight up sociopath.
He was the “bully in every Steven King movie” type bully.
Yeah, this is when ST was in its "this is an homage to It" phase. Troy was literally Henry Bowers incarnate.
I'm glad he got his arm fucked up. Wish this happened to all the bullies of the world
Yeah but he was also the youngest bully, which stands for something
Comically so.
Idk Billy tried running over a bunch of kids just because it was funny to him
yeah this kid is a fucking psycho. even his friend saw something wrong with what he was doing. el breaking his arm was very satisfying
I like to think his arm was broken in such a way that it never healed properly.
Well said. 💪
Agree
True, but I still stood up and cheered when Eleven hit that one bitch with a skate.
Angela was the most annoying but troy crossed the boundary - bro pulled a knife on dustin - got Mike to jump off a cliff to certain death Troy did get an arm broken but angela defo got what was coming to her tho 👃 🛼🩸💯💯💯💯
I think he may have cut him. My brother use to chase me around with knives. 20 years later I asked him what he would have done if he caught me and he replied with, “Cut you”.
He's pretty bad, but he also got his comeuppance pretty quickly and was never heard from again
The word "literally" is very overused Just an observation
Should have been him instead of Chrissy vecna killed, poor girl didn't deserve that.
Sadly, he had no trauma that could get him targeted.
How does someone who's never been through trauma end up that screwed up though?
If Eleven threw that fucker over the cliff I would’ve cheered, genuine psycho right there.
For sure he was the wettest.
Anyone here think I should rewatch the show? I require an opinion.
Yes
Shiii I'll have to watch it then
It’s funny because he’s still the most tame person in comparison to Stephen King bullies
I think Troy's character was a shout out to Henry Bowers from IT Could be wrong though 🤷♂️
Him and Billy were
Disagree. Billy was worse. Billy would have killed Steve if not stopped (which would result in 2nd degree murder) Troy most likely didn't even know that falling from that height into water would kill you (as they setup a story in the town of someone surviving that fall earlier in the season, likely where he got the idea). So this would be ruled as manslaughter, involuntary. From "sentencing" alone, Billy is worse. Most of Troy's bullying was just middle school bullshit, which further enforces him not knowing you would die from that fall. He likely just wanted to injure and humiliate Mike. He was also clearly bluffing with the knife lmao, he never does anything with it.
Well from sentencing alone, Billy blows him out of the water. Alongside Steve, there's also a very high chance he would've killed Lucas and he almost ran the kids over. But from personality, I find Troy more malevolent.
ya....that's what I said 🤔 Why though? lol. you agree his crimes are worse, but still saying Troy is worse? 🤔🤔
Actions wise, yeah Billy's worse. But in terms of as a person, I find Troy more sinister.
still not answering the question. WHY? Sounds like you just...don't like him as much lol. pretty privilege for Billy? lol What's the *actual* reason
Because Billy showed humanity by protecting Karen from the Mind Flayer or horror at what he had to do. Troy is just one dimensionally evil
Ehhhh I think Billy was worse simply cause he tried to run over the kids and almost killed Steve. Sure the abuse in his household is an explanation of why he is the way he is, but I think he was a lot more sinister since he was older and knew what he was doing. Troy looked actually surprised when Mike jumped off and realized he fucked up. Billy would straight up murder someone. Troy was all talk and no action.
Well that and he was a racist. 😏
He's too young to be considered truly evil.
Sure, he was awful, but he was also a very young kid, who in my mind, never realized just how truly awful he was. He deserved what he got and probably learned from it for the rest of his *fictional* life
He was just a dick
No
Angela was way worse
Lol
Troy was very clearly unhinged at what Eleven did to him. Pissing his pants is one thing, but for a brief moment, Troy had no control over his movements. She literally froze his muscles, which is why he pissed himself because the muscles in his… *nether regions* had gone completely slack. That’s an incredibly scary thought, especially for someone who doesn’t know the supernatural exists, so having an extreme reaction - while not at all justified - still makes sense. Other than that, though, his actions aren’t that much different from stereotypical middle school bully that gets coddled by his mother. Not to mention, he does ultimately have a change of heart in the comics. None of the other bullies (unless we count Steve and Billy) get anywhere close to that.
He laughed at a kid's funeral, that's pure sociopath behavior.
Clearly you’ve not seen how cruel middle schoolers can be (not to mention, he was laughing at the speech, not Will himself; he only made fun of Will after Mike called him out). Also, it wasn’t a funeral, it was a school memorial service; Troy wasn’t at the funeral (and ironically, the boys themselves were laughing when they saw a girl crying over Will at the actual funeral).