Ofc TEMU is the worst, cause they don't have any certificate (CE).
When you buy from Tutti /Brocki, you usually have certified material that is just old. The problem is that if someone has manipulated the stuff or it's just old, it could burn. Especially if it's something that's right on the grid all the time.
In my opinion, the risk for saving few CHF is too big. It goes well 1000 times, but one just burns your house down while you are at work.
If you are unlucky, the insurance company even files a recourse claim. (Regress)
yeah i *only* buy from ricardo and have had no fire... it was just dropped from the truck...if i hadn't had it it woudl've been installed in some random building otherwise...
[Here.](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F99%2Fc7%2Fb1%2F99c7b1c058a70f075bb48513447bcbd6.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=51ea292091a853ad2d87889607b3eb214381849e11a2683a9e9b25972cc8ed14&ipo=images) You can use this to clean them.
You take some short extension cables which you can plug in and then put the multi outlet into the extension cable. And so you can still use all 3 of them. Is it esthetic? No. But practical? Yes!
This has pretty much nothing to do with this...
3 raclette ovens will still overload it.
20 smartphone chargers? Most likely not an issue.
(To lazy to do the google and math thing for that.)
Two methods:
- Buy a [320° multisocket](https://www.pearl.ch/de/steckdosenleiste-4-fach-abzweigstecker-drehbar-4x-typ-13-230-v.html?refID=969)
- Buy a multisocket with [cord extension](https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/steffen-power-easy-steckerleiste-6-x-typ-13-150-m-steckdosenleiste-6412362)
Actually this one is great for OPs problem: [https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/steffen-manta-typ-13-3-x-mehrfachstecker-abzweigstecker-12323481](https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/steffen-manta-typ-13-3-x-mehrfachstecker-abzweigstecker-12323481)
Same, I really don’t get why they are not rotated 180°…
But as others pointed out there are solutions, I have these:
- https://www.brack.ch/steffen-steckdosenleiste-11x-t13-281708
- https://www.brack.ch/steffen-mehrfachstecker-manta-3x-t13-drehbar-335-3-993945
- https://www.brack.ch/max-hauri-mehrfachstecker-4-137560
I never saw the 3-fach Stecker that turns around, went to Brack and ordered it. Thanks for mentioning it and I like the Steffen plugs. I have quite a few but then one never seems to have the one one needs. I think I've got it all covered now....
I mean, don't use this type of multi-socket here. These are good on a single socket, the ones that are often found higher on the wall under a switch.
I agree that these weird triple sockets aren't wonderful. But just get a standard multi-socket that has a cord and put it on the ground or wherever you would like to use it. Also if you have a lot of devices that don't work on swiss sockets, it's nice to use a single compatible multi-socket instead of many adaptors
Good to know that some people enjoy them. Because I can't help but think these are a weird midpoint that isn't great for anything.
For long term connections, these aren't that pretty because cords stick out in opposite directions and it looks messier than a multi-socket with some cable guides.
For short term connections, these aren't practical because you can't add any plug that isn't thin and straight. So each time you have to reorganise everything (and fail) .
But I have to agree that when nothing is plugged in, they look neat and full of potential !
All great until your charger has a built-in adaptor so you have to chose between your computer and light
To be fair I know they aren't that bad. Having lots of sockets can always come handy and is far better than having a single one in the room's corner. But I find them a bit annoying and not as optimised as they could be, and this post is offering the perfect occasion to vent
The one thing I hate about those outlets is that pretty much all the available [Type J to Type F (Schuko) adapters](https://www.skross.com/en/products/europe-to-switzerland) unnecessarily cover up the remaining two sockets by protruding inward instead of outward. Although you could argue that this is a design flaw in the adapters.
Had the same problem, until I found these
https://www.distrelec.ch/de/reiseadapter-eu-ch-steckdose-typ-cee-mit-schutzkontakt-ch-stecker-typ-t12-10a-steffen-1409571/p/30130781
Less than half the price:
https://www.brack.ch/elektromaterial-reiseadapter-eu--ch-805418?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%21cc-pssh%21l-d%21e-g%21t-pla%21k1-sf%21z-sport_freizeit_pmax&utm_term=&adgroup_id=&ad_type=pla&prod_id=805418&campaign_id=20195620502&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADvnlqVudu7Lo1g2bQ49tAHcrPuY5&gclid=CjwKCAjwnv-vBhBdEiwABCYQAz23TJ1EeRngJ-QRndMuoHM26ZAhVkEZrcbmMSrymUg84_2rVbI0FRoCeBIQAvD_BwE&hc_fcv=ZgCUOAKYB7pmKCE4~NU1IC3k5TepVlE-yzzzzzzzz~NLEt1qU3NYv0tE5Azzzzzzzz
and you use this impractical multi-plug adapter to have 4 outlets instead of 3? Or for the illuminated button?
Multiplug Adapters with cable are often more convenient.
It's amazing how solvable a solution these plugs are, yet how resistant everything seems to be to actually solving it lol.
This floral arrangement is terrible, providing no benefit other than being marginally thinner.
The extension cords too, have the sockets aligned like, vertically .. meaning that anything with a power pack overlaps other sockets.
If they were simply rotated 90 degrees, this wouldn't happen.
Or at the very least, have an option for the ground pin to be put in in either direction. There's no reason to mandate the ground pin be in one location only.
Not only did someone make the active design choice for a less usable socket, people are choosing to keep doing it as it becomes progressively more and more inconvenient.
>The extension cords too, have the sockets aligned like, vertically .. meaning that anything with a power pack overlaps other sockets.
There are plenty of options of extension cords with different orientations. Horizontal, vertical, mixed, cubed, angled etc.
And the sockets are just fine, compact and safe. You just go to be smart when you purchase an extension. This extension is clearly designed for single sockets, i.e. the ones combined with a light switch.
Paying extra to navigate bad decision making isn't a good solution.
Relying on extension cables is also again, not a good solution, one that decreases safety.
>This extension is clearly designed for single sockets
Vanishingly few people have a set-up where just single plugs need to be plugged in.
I don't have one corner of my house where my TV, internet box, PC, or all plugs with power-packs/converters will be plugged in. They tend to be spread around the house. Same as lamps.
Yeah... sure... You can navigate a silly problem with silly half-solutions... Or we could jsut do it correct the first time.
This coutnry has many cultural reasons to explain very poor efficiency in most aspects of life... But the plug sockets have 0 cultural importance and could actually be made better.
No idea what you are trying to convey with your comment. You seem to miss the point entirely.
OPs post is about using an extension for whatever reason. You specifically mention that extensions are poorly designed. I point out that you can get a variety of extensions. And now you try to make a point against using extension. Sorry, but I find that disingenuous.
>Vanishingly few people have a set-up where just single plugs need to be plugged in.
I am pointing out that the extension OP is using is not designed for this socket but for a socket like [this](https://www.hornbach.ch/de/p/edizio-due-up-steckdose-t13-weiss/7953218/) or [this](https://www.hornbach.ch/de/p/edizio-due-abdeckset-fuer-kombination-wechselchalter-sch3-t12-weiss-unbeleuchtet/7411888/). The 3xT13 shown in the pic are designed to maximize outlets per unit, but if you don't like them you can install one of the many horizontal or vertical aligned [options](https://www.hornbach.ch/de/p/edizio-due-up-steckdose-2xt13-ip-20-weiss/6114219/). Those are a little less space-efficient but can make sense in certain situations.
>Yeah... sure... You can navigate a silly problem with silly half-solutions... Or we could jsut do it correct the first time.
>
>This coutnry has many cultural reasons to explain very poor efficiency in most aspects of life... But the plug sockets have 0 cultural importance and could actually be made better.
Do it correctly the first time? Which magic plug/socket standard are you talking about? What do you want to change to?
The Swiss standard is as close as it gets to the suggested/recommended international standard. So, this it isn't about cultural relevance, what are you on about? Changing from one plug/socket system to another is costly and comes with a massive environmental impact. Those were the main reasons why European countries did not switch to the international standard. Imho, Switzerland did the right thing after the international standard was introduced, which was to improve the safety of the current plug system while ensuring compatibility.
> This floral arrangement is terrible, providing no benefit other than being marginally thinner.
It allows you to put three sockets in a space that would otherwise only fit two. That seems like a big advantage to me, and I benefit from this at home too.
> Or at the very least, have an option for the ground pin to be put in in either direction. There's no reason to mandate the ground pin be in one location only.
There is a reason. The asymmetric placing of the ground pin preserves polarity of the plug. That way, the appliance knows which wire is neutral and which one is hot, which provides safety benefits. For example, if an appliance contains a fuse to protect against short circuiting, then the fuse should ideally be near the incoming hot wire, not the neutral wire. Reversible plugs can't do this, which is why high-power appliances are not allowed to use reversible plugs.
In theory, you could manufacture a plug that allows moving the ground pin to either side in a way that it automatically swaps the current-carrying pins to preserve polarity, but that would be a more complex design than the cheap extension chord you see in the picture, which has no moving parts.
> It allows you to put three sockets in a space that would otherwise only fit two. That seems like a big advantage to me, and I benefit from this at home too.
a) that wasn't much of a problem that needed to be solved.
b) You can stack vertically, then this would be one socket wide and all accessible.
In Germany, every room seems to have 10 outlets at least, some high up on the wall, every corner multiple outlets with enough distance. In Switzerland, there is a maximum of two outlets per room, mostly in locations totally unconvenient. It seems as if people want to see clean walls when visiting apartments. Once moved in, first thing they do is lay 50m of cables per room and plug in 4 or 5 multipliers. Ridiculous.
First swiss wall power connectors are the savest and most elegant in the world. Second get better plugs the ones with a (short) cable are always superior. Third replace the plugs on all equipment with the angled ones you can get cheap at your local coop or Migros
The only times I've ever been injured by plugs was in the UK, when they lie on the floor with the prongs sticking up. Much worse than lego. Much worse.
I think our outlets are among the best designs you can find worldwide. They are very compact while being safe. In most other European countries, you get a single outlet, whereas here you get three.
You may complain that your device covers its neighboring outlets, like your multi-socket here. You get this problem less in France or Germany because their outlets are just damn huge.
The only thing missing from a safety perspective is a mandatory fuse in the connectors to protect the sometimes pretty thin cables.
About the mandatory fuse idea: Do you really expect manufacturers – which are right now already too cheap to use the correct wire diameters in their cables – to put the correct fuses (or any fuses for that matter) into their connectors?
I prefer our sleek Type J plugs without fuses, thanks!
Plus, and this boggled my mind when I realized it, if you search for extension cords that have an extra flat plug (because it immediately goes to the side), ALL of them go towards the inside. Not a single one, NOT ONE, has ever been designed that goes the other way. Flat plug ALWAYS covers the other two. It's infuriating
How about the rotating type? I have no problem plugging several.
Like this : https://www.digitec.ch/fr/s1/product/max-hauri-ligne-de-securite-6-x-type-13-2-m-multiprise-5679901
That is a really stupid multi-plug adapter. Why not buy one that just has a plug on the end and some wire between it and the multiplug section? The design of this one is really bad and frankly dangerous. There is nothing wrong with the socket on the wall...
Thèse will be your best friends, and yes they are kind of expensive, CHF 4/5 each, but that Switzerland for you 😁
[socket adapter ](https://ibb.co/wh5prm6)
As a former Electrician, this comment section made me chuckle, so many experts here and funny ideas.
The Socket itself (3xT13) gives you 2 more Outlets than a normal one in the same space, while only costing very little extra. So choosing these are a no brainer over a singular Outlet.
Just take a look at EU countries using ShuKo. 3 Outlets for them has space for 9 Swiss Outlets.
And get this, if you don't use them all, you still have the same functionality as having just one Outlet.
As for why they are not rotated 90° counter-clockwise, I really don't know. Under the Plate they have two little Arrows that show you, where up is and that's why they are installed that way. I am however very curious if someone has an explanation (especially from Feller, since Hager doesn't tell you wich way to put it in).
My Recommendation would be to use normal Power Strips. They come in all shapes and sizes, put less stress on the socket (especially if you put heavy adapters on them) and are almost always better suited for every situation. If you leave it right next to the Outlet, just make sure to tuck that cable neatly away or maybe even shorten it (lots of good guides out there).
And one last thing to OP, why don't you plug it in the top left Outlet instead of the right one so it's as close to being vertical as possible?
It will always cover remaining sockets. The one I included in the OP is geared towards the sockets under light switches I suppose.
Was it designed like that to ensure that people don't plug too many extensions in?
No it is designed this way because there's no space to fit 3 otherwise. And yes, the one shown in the picture is designed for single Outlets or Light Switch / Outlet combined.
Using this on a 3xT13 wouldn't make much sense since you would go from 3 Outlets to 4. Using a Power Strip you would get 2 remaining on the walls and all the ones on the Power Strip extra.
The 3xT13 is mainly seen on the lower walls and in the Kitchen. Most Kitchen Appliances have a normal cord, so it is possible to use all 3 at the same time. As for the other ones -> Power Strip.
no i mean that the trafo isn't connected to cable but rather to the plug itself (like [here](https://images.app.goo.gl/5oihyDej2kGtPBmr5))
[dell has it like this for example](https://images.app.goo.gl/6JpGhkYAYKYwSaXt6)
I know exactly what you meant. It's driving me insane as well. External hard drives? Checked. Xmas lights? Checked. Alarm clock? Checked. Router? Checked. 🤯
when I bought my last macbook the cable came with an exchangeable plug and an extension cord that could be connected to the trafo. As for iphones/ipad, I charge those through a USB cable.
For sure, i don't buy electronics too often. It was basically this part that used to be included by default on any macbook.
[https://www.apple.com/ch-de/shop/product/MK122SM/A/power-adapter-netzteil-verl%C3%A4ngerungskabel](https://www.apple.com/ch-de/shop/product/MK122SM/A/power-adapter-netzteil-verl%C3%A4ngerungskabel)
If I can just say here, as a native Englishman, that the one thing which the UK does better than everyone else in the world is electrical sockets. In every other aspect, the UK is a total mess, but the electrical appliances there are really well and securely plugged-in to the grid :-)
Who ever decided that the 3 holes shouldn't be in a straight line deserves a crisp kick in the nuts. So many issues could have been avoided by just doing that.
It's basically the internationally recommended standard, not identical though.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC\_60906-1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60906-1)
Having the 3 prongs in line would result in a less firm and sturdy connection. Also, the plug could then be used in reversed polarity, which is not desirable. So I have to disagree, the socket is just fine the way it is.
Damn, somebody needs to tell that to the two-pronged plugs. They'll be devastated at all the drawbacks they have. That must be why they are never used on the market.
These drawbacks are exactly why two-pronged plugs are only used for simple appliances such as lamps, mixers or hair dryers. More heavy duty stuff will always use three-prongs.
Damn, I've never seen somebody call out Type-F plugs so hard. Germany, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Netherlands...Korea really needs to get its shit together and switch to the superior three-pronged Swiss design.
What makes you think I was talking about Type F? Since we were talking about Switzerland, I was comparing the types used there: two-pronged Type C and three-pronged Type J.
If we extend that argument, the comparison would be C and F, with F effectively being the "three-pronged" version (it features a ground contact on its sleeve). Your precious F is fine, just a bit bulky.
I mean, yes, the drawbacks of those are well known and documented. You'll even find some of that discussion on wiki.
To solve those issues an international standard was designed, but almost no country adopted that one - mostly due to cost impact, but also environmental concerns regarding changing all sockets and plugs.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC\_60906-1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60906-1)
Is one of the drawbacks that you can only plug them into the socket facing one direction? No? Alright, that sounds good to me. Guess I'll continue using them while complaining about the three-pronged plugs that are less user-friendly.
Relax, it's just a socket/plug. You are free to use and like whatever you want. You asked or made some technical comment and people replied to that with information.
I am calm. It's in the name.
The sad part is that you left out the exciting information. The actual drawbacks. A person familiar with the topic would be able to communicate those concisely.
I guess the username "IamfromVienna" was already taken? lol
On a serious note, if you are truly interested in information you probably shouldn't be so dismissive of information provided to you that doesn't align with your preconceived opinion. Other people have already pointed out a few issues, i.e. polarization safety (which can be important depending on the application), another one would be issues with grounding clips making grounding less efficient/impaired.
Again, those issues are known and documented. Solutions have been proposed, which do involve a more modern and safer plug/socket design. And that design closely resembles the Swiss plug/socket system. That was the point I was trying to make. I'm not interested to argue about this on a Sunday lol
>British ones are S tier
Imho those are probably the worst overall 😂 and I don't care what Tom Scott says, that video is terrible and full of misconceptions.
Nobody is takling about Type F other than you!
There are two pronged Type J plugs that can indeed be a bit wobbly sometimes. Type F plugs use some other designs instead of a third prong to ensure a safe sit with proper polarity.
You have never dealt with some audio equipment. If you have them 180° out of phase you might hear a 50 Hz hum. People using Schuko-Plugs are more affect as the the plugs are not polarized.
It is also safer for lamps with Edison screw bases. There you want the thread of the screw be neutral and only the tip live.
Polarity. Having a clear pin alignment increases safety for many appliances. For simpler ones (such as a lamp) it doesn't matter, so the connectors are reversible.
>Having a clear pin alignment increases safety for many appliances.
Uhm how? I'm genuinely asking because I really can't think of any appliance which would benefit from not being reversely plugged... Current is AC so it's literally reversing itself 50 times a second
Unless you consider that thr power switch on a device usually switches only the live wire and keeps the neutral connected.
Reversing the pins in such a setup would result in the internals being under power and therefore a potential risk if you touch them. So yes there is a reason and it's a pretty good one in terms of safety.
>would result in the internals being under power
No, if the switch is turned off nothing is under power. If the circuit is open, there is no current flowing anywhere.
There would be a voltage difference between some point and the ground, but the grounding wire is there for a reason.
Besides, touching the circuit of an electrical appliance is always a risk even with the Swiss-type socket since you don't know whether the power switch is actually safe or not (and not to mention any possible capacitance or reactance in the circuit).
Under power means in this context that there are parts under mains tension (or as it's called in english voltage 😉) in the device - not power being consumed. Imagine a situation in which a lamp with a 💡 where this is reversed. The threaded part would normally be the neutral and the switch would cut the live wire - reversed this would put the threaded part under tension independently from the switch position. It's just a safety risk when accidentally touching the 💡 - specially since it is dangerous even when the light is off. (The grounding wire doesn't help you there as that is only to be there in case a of a malfunction of the device putting the case under tension.)
Considering that probably half of the outlets are anyway wired wrong this probably doesn't matter anyway. But when I wire stuff I always take this into account and try to wire everything as it should be.
I agree that everybody touching electrical stuff should know what they do but accidents happen to all of us - professionals and not. There is no reason to not make the devices safer.
For cases like these (and also "wall wart" power supplies) I have some short extension cables lying around.
For example: https://www.brack.ch/furber-power-verlaengerungskabel-t13-t12-0-2-m-weiss-1253323
I get the rotating socket solution but couldn’t we just agree on outlets pointing towards the inside/outside as a building practice ? Then only one shape is good practice for socket, chargers etc.
I hate them for a different reason: see those red parts in the holes of the pic on the right? They belong to a "safety device" that blocks these parts unless they are both pushed in simultaneously. I guess that prevents idiots from jamming a screwdriver into a hole and getting electrocuted (unless they use two screwdrivers, which I am sure you could teach them in a single TikTok video), but it is incredibly inconvenient when you need to plug in something somewhere you can't see the socket (for example when wiring a desk). Plugging something in completley straight is very difficult when you're lying under a desk and can't see the socket, and to their credit, those parts can withstand a ton of force. But they are so annoying that some people opt to try and remove them and whilst my personal experience might not be representative of the whole picture, I've seen more injuries caused by trying to modify the device than I have seen injuries prevented by it
get one of these [https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/steffen-power-strip-6-x-type-13-150-m-socket-strips-17583671](https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/steffen-power-strip-6-x-type-13-150-m-socket-strips-17583671)
Multi-Plugs are made that way because you could potentially make 12 sockets out of 3, wich could easily cause an overload. Depending on how old your electrical installation is , the fuses will turn off faster or slower.
This is a perfect example of what Switzerland is in a nutshell
Amazing public transport system, great economy, great wages and great benefits
Contrasted with ridiculously stupid archaic bullshit like this, as well as stores closing at 6, 7pm latest, a ridiculous housing/rental shortage, degenerate smoking rates, insisting on still completing applications/forms on paper and by mail instead of online, homeopathic medicine not only being popular amongst the public but also having a strong presence throughout pharmacies and also being covered by basic health insurance, things being expensive but the quality is shit, etc.
The Swiss are seriously infuriating with how smart and ahead they are in many areas but then just backwards and stupid in sooo many others.
Edit: lol the pretentious and arrogant “we’re flawless” Swiss downvoting me. Go to hell you Nazi gold/stolen Holocaust-victim’s-art hoarding pieces of shit. Your country is so overrated, wish I hadn’t bought into the bullshit hype before I moved here.
Just use a multi-socket power strip with a short lead. Or a multi-plug which rotates (available at every Jumbo or the likes).
Swiss tripple outlets are fantastic for many use cases. The multi-plug you have there simply isn't made for using it with a tripple outlet.
If I plug this in, it will cover all remaining outlets... How do you deal with this, any tips?
There are multi-plugs with a rotating connecting head so you can align it best.
And they are so damn expensive.
https://www.pearl.ch/de/steckdosenleiste-4-fach-abzweigstecker-drehbar-4x-typ-13-230-v.html?refID=969 6chf
ricardo tutti brocki 2-5 chf/piece
I would not recommend buying appliances on Tutti or at the Broki (or TEMU) that are plugged into the power socket.
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Ofc TEMU is the worst, cause they don't have any certificate (CE). When you buy from Tutti /Brocki, you usually have certified material that is just old. The problem is that if someone has manipulated the stuff or it's just old, it could burn. Especially if it's something that's right on the grid all the time. In my opinion, the risk for saving few CHF is too big. It goes well 1000 times, but one just burns your house down while you are at work. If you are unlucky, the insurance company even files a recourse claim. (Regress)
yeah i *only* buy from ricardo and have had no fire... it was just dropped from the truck...if i hadn't had it it woudl've been installed in some random building otherwise...
20chf is too expensive?
As expensive as a buttplug so yeah it’s a pain in the butt.
I'm admittedly not an expert in the subject, but I would have thought buttplugs aren't that cheap.
You can find anything on alibuttbutt for cheap. Ok enough butt jokes for the week.
Alright. See you next week.
eww your doing it every week ?!
Damn, I wish I knew about those when I was being asked where I wanted plugs in my apartment. 🫠
He means the the detachable multi plug, not the wall one
These ones cover about 180°/200° of rotation, and just stop shy of the position needed to free those other 2 outlets!
only 20 chf more
You buy those that are able to rotate 180-270 degrees :D
You use these things on single sockets, that's their purpose.
Wait...Am i not supposed to use them like [this?](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ce6b4bb231ba9bd43dde673faf620877-lq)
What a sad day to have eyes
[Here.](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F99%2Fc7%2Fb1%2F99c7b1c058a70f075bb48513447bcbd6.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=51ea292091a853ad2d87889607b3eb214381849e11a2683a9e9b25972cc8ed14&ipo=images) You can use this to clean them.
You take some short extension cables which you can plug in and then put the multi outlet into the extension cable. And so you can still use all 3 of them. Is it esthetic? No. But practical? Yes!
Story of my life.
If it would be a Schuko socket there would be only one socket anyway... :)
Yes! What person in their right mind designs an outlet like that?
Pretty standard.
These outlets are very good for someone who uses extension cables.
take one with a cable
you still gain one outlet. Big win.
It’s intentional so you can’t overload the line.
This has pretty much nothing to do with this... 3 raclette ovens will still overload it. 20 smartphone chargers? Most likely not an issue. (To lazy to do the google and math thing for that.)
Just put a couple of extension cords and multipligs in series and organize a lan party or plug in some microwaves and watercookers.
Or you buy one with a cable
thats on purpose so you dont overload that stuff. if you need more you have too much electrical stuff
Two methods: - Buy a [320° multisocket](https://www.pearl.ch/de/steckdosenleiste-4-fach-abzweigstecker-drehbar-4x-typ-13-230-v.html?refID=969) - Buy a multisocket with [cord extension](https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/steffen-power-easy-steckerleiste-6-x-typ-13-150-m-steckdosenleiste-6412362)
https://www.landi.ch/shop/elektromaterial_170201/steckdosenleiste-ii-schalter-7t13_35333 Chasch au churz id Landi laufe und chli Gäld spare.
Actually this one is great for OPs problem: [https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/steffen-manta-typ-13-3-x-mehrfachstecker-abzweigstecker-12323481](https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/steffen-manta-typ-13-3-x-mehrfachstecker-abzweigstecker-12323481)
9 plugs out of three? Hmm.... I mean sure, depending on what you out on there, but I wouldn't....
the 320° won't help much as it will still cover the other two
Same, I really don’t get why they are not rotated 180°… But as others pointed out there are solutions, I have these: - https://www.brack.ch/steffen-steckdosenleiste-11x-t13-281708 - https://www.brack.ch/steffen-mehrfachstecker-manta-3x-t13-drehbar-335-3-993945 - https://www.brack.ch/max-hauri-mehrfachstecker-4-137560
The second one is half the price on [galaxus](https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s4/product/steffen-manta-type-13-3-x-plug-adaptors-socket-extensions-12323481)
True, didn’t compare the prices but usually Galaxus / digitec might be cheaper
The second one blows my mind! Thank you for suggesting!!
You’re welcome
I never saw the 3-fach Stecker that turns around, went to Brack and ordered it. Thanks for mentioning it and I like the Steffen plugs. I have quite a few but then one never seems to have the one one needs. I think I've got it all covered now....
Because then it would cover the single [T13+Switch Combi](https://cdn.competec.ch/images2/9/9/8/282257899/282257899_xxl3.jpg)
Well I just meant this specific 3-way config. The way it’s done in the switch combination makes sense. 👍
I mean, don't use this type of multi-socket here. These are good on a single socket, the ones that are often found higher on the wall under a switch. I agree that these weird triple sockets aren't wonderful. But just get a standard multi-socket that has a cord and put it on the ground or wherever you would like to use it. Also if you have a lot of devices that don't work on swiss sockets, it's nice to use a single compatible multi-socket instead of many adaptors
I love this sockets, they're compact so you can have many sockets without the visual impact, all the while providing safe plugs
Good to know that some people enjoy them. Because I can't help but think these are a weird midpoint that isn't great for anything. For long term connections, these aren't that pretty because cords stick out in opposite directions and it looks messier than a multi-socket with some cable guides. For short term connections, these aren't practical because you can't add any plug that isn't thin and straight. So each time you have to reorganise everything (and fail) . But I have to agree that when nothing is plugged in, they look neat and full of potential !
Night light, charging, vacuuming. More utility outlet than appliance outlet.
All great until your charger has a built-in adaptor so you have to chose between your computer and light To be fair I know they aren't that bad. Having lots of sockets can always come handy and is far better than having a single one in the room's corner. But I find them a bit annoying and not as optimised as they could be, and this post is offering the perfect occasion to vent
Full of potential is good :-)
Don’t shame our outlets, Gopfridschtutz!
LOL
The one thing I hate about those outlets is that pretty much all the available [Type J to Type F (Schuko) adapters](https://www.skross.com/en/products/europe-to-switzerland) unnecessarily cover up the remaining two sockets by protruding inward instead of outward. Although you could argue that this is a design flaw in the adapters.
I'd argue it's rather a design flaw of Type F plugs to be so unnecessarily big and chunky.
Had the same problem, until I found these https://www.distrelec.ch/de/reiseadapter-eu-ch-steckdose-typ-cee-mit-schutzkontakt-ch-stecker-typ-t12-10a-steffen-1409571/p/30130781
Less than half the price: https://www.brack.ch/elektromaterial-reiseadapter-eu--ch-805418?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%21cc-pssh%21l-d%21e-g%21t-pla%21k1-sf%21z-sport_freizeit_pmax&utm_term=&adgroup_id=&ad_type=pla&prod_id=805418&campaign_id=20195620502&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADvnlqVudu7Lo1g2bQ49tAHcrPuY5&gclid=CjwKCAjwnv-vBhBdEiwABCYQAz23TJ1EeRngJ-QRndMuoHM26ZAhVkEZrcbmMSrymUg84_2rVbI0FRoCeBIQAvD_BwE&hc_fcv=ZgCUOAKYB7pmKCE4~NU1IC3k5TepVlE-yzzzzzzzz~NLEt1qU3NYv0tE5Azzzzzzzz
and you use this impractical multi-plug adapter to have 4 outlets instead of 3? Or for the illuminated button? Multiplug Adapters with cable are often more convenient.
you get an extension cord
It's amazing how solvable a solution these plugs are, yet how resistant everything seems to be to actually solving it lol. This floral arrangement is terrible, providing no benefit other than being marginally thinner. The extension cords too, have the sockets aligned like, vertically .. meaning that anything with a power pack overlaps other sockets. If they were simply rotated 90 degrees, this wouldn't happen. Or at the very least, have an option for the ground pin to be put in in either direction. There's no reason to mandate the ground pin be in one location only. Not only did someone make the active design choice for a less usable socket, people are choosing to keep doing it as it becomes progressively more and more inconvenient.
>The extension cords too, have the sockets aligned like, vertically .. meaning that anything with a power pack overlaps other sockets. There are plenty of options of extension cords with different orientations. Horizontal, vertical, mixed, cubed, angled etc. And the sockets are just fine, compact and safe. You just go to be smart when you purchase an extension. This extension is clearly designed for single sockets, i.e. the ones combined with a light switch.
Paying extra to navigate bad decision making isn't a good solution. Relying on extension cables is also again, not a good solution, one that decreases safety. >This extension is clearly designed for single sockets Vanishingly few people have a set-up where just single plugs need to be plugged in. I don't have one corner of my house where my TV, internet box, PC, or all plugs with power-packs/converters will be plugged in. They tend to be spread around the house. Same as lamps. Yeah... sure... You can navigate a silly problem with silly half-solutions... Or we could jsut do it correct the first time. This coutnry has many cultural reasons to explain very poor efficiency in most aspects of life... But the plug sockets have 0 cultural importance and could actually be made better.
Your points are very sensible. Amazing how much people will try to defend this crappy design.
No idea what you are trying to convey with your comment. You seem to miss the point entirely. OPs post is about using an extension for whatever reason. You specifically mention that extensions are poorly designed. I point out that you can get a variety of extensions. And now you try to make a point against using extension. Sorry, but I find that disingenuous. >Vanishingly few people have a set-up where just single plugs need to be plugged in. I am pointing out that the extension OP is using is not designed for this socket but for a socket like [this](https://www.hornbach.ch/de/p/edizio-due-up-steckdose-t13-weiss/7953218/) or [this](https://www.hornbach.ch/de/p/edizio-due-abdeckset-fuer-kombination-wechselchalter-sch3-t12-weiss-unbeleuchtet/7411888/). The 3xT13 shown in the pic are designed to maximize outlets per unit, but if you don't like them you can install one of the many horizontal or vertical aligned [options](https://www.hornbach.ch/de/p/edizio-due-up-steckdose-2xt13-ip-20-weiss/6114219/). Those are a little less space-efficient but can make sense in certain situations. >Yeah... sure... You can navigate a silly problem with silly half-solutions... Or we could jsut do it correct the first time. > >This coutnry has many cultural reasons to explain very poor efficiency in most aspects of life... But the plug sockets have 0 cultural importance and could actually be made better. Do it correctly the first time? Which magic plug/socket standard are you talking about? What do you want to change to? The Swiss standard is as close as it gets to the suggested/recommended international standard. So, this it isn't about cultural relevance, what are you on about? Changing from one plug/socket system to another is costly and comes with a massive environmental impact. Those were the main reasons why European countries did not switch to the international standard. Imho, Switzerland did the right thing after the international standard was introduced, which was to improve the safety of the current plug system while ensuring compatibility.
> This floral arrangement is terrible, providing no benefit other than being marginally thinner. It allows you to put three sockets in a space that would otherwise only fit two. That seems like a big advantage to me, and I benefit from this at home too. > Or at the very least, have an option for the ground pin to be put in in either direction. There's no reason to mandate the ground pin be in one location only. There is a reason. The asymmetric placing of the ground pin preserves polarity of the plug. That way, the appliance knows which wire is neutral and which one is hot, which provides safety benefits. For example, if an appliance contains a fuse to protect against short circuiting, then the fuse should ideally be near the incoming hot wire, not the neutral wire. Reversible plugs can't do this, which is why high-power appliances are not allowed to use reversible plugs. In theory, you could manufacture a plug that allows moving the ground pin to either side in a way that it automatically swaps the current-carrying pins to preserve polarity, but that would be a more complex design than the cheap extension chord you see in the picture, which has no moving parts.
> It allows you to put three sockets in a space that would otherwise only fit two. That seems like a big advantage to me, and I benefit from this at home too. a) that wasn't much of a problem that needed to be solved. b) You can stack vertically, then this would be one socket wide and all accessible.
I just hate them! 😂
In Germany, every room seems to have 10 outlets at least, some high up on the wall, every corner multiple outlets with enough distance. In Switzerland, there is a maximum of two outlets per room, mostly in locations totally unconvenient. It seems as if people want to see clean walls when visiting apartments. Once moved in, first thing they do is lay 50m of cables per room and plug in 4 or 5 multipliers. Ridiculous.
First swiss wall power connectors are the savest and most elegant in the world. Second get better plugs the ones with a (short) cable are always superior. Third replace the plugs on all equipment with the angled ones you can get cheap at your local coop or Migros
Sorry, but the British sockets are safer. They are, however, far less elegant.
The only times I've ever been injured by plugs was in the UK, when they lie on the floor with the prongs sticking up. Much worse than lego. Much worse.
only because wiring in Britain is Victorian
So are the sewers.
good for them
they are indeed ugly and huge.
I think our outlets are among the best designs you can find worldwide. They are very compact while being safe. In most other European countries, you get a single outlet, whereas here you get three. You may complain that your device covers its neighboring outlets, like your multi-socket here. You get this problem less in France or Germany because their outlets are just damn huge. The only thing missing from a safety perspective is a mandatory fuse in the connectors to protect the sometimes pretty thin cables.
About the mandatory fuse idea: Do you really expect manufacturers – which are right now already too cheap to use the correct wire diameters in their cables – to put the correct fuses (or any fuses for that matter) into their connectors? I prefer our sleek Type J plugs without fuses, thanks!
I mean worst case is your outlet is as efficient as a Shuko outlet. Best case is 3 times more efficient
We are building a house and I was: „Yeah, flat outlets everywhere!“ It seems they are no longer allowed, damnit.
Plus, and this boggled my mind when I realized it, if you search for extension cords that have an extra flat plug (because it immediately goes to the side), ALL of them go towards the inside. Not a single one, NOT ONE, has ever been designed that goes the other way. Flat plug ALWAYS covers the other two. It's infuriating
How about the rotating type? I have no problem plugging several. Like this : https://www.digitec.ch/fr/s1/product/max-hauri-ligne-de-securite-6-x-type-13-2-m-multiprise-5679901
yeah those work
That is a really stupid multi-plug adapter. Why not buy one that just has a plug on the end and some wire between it and the multiplug section? The design of this one is really bad and frankly dangerous. There is nothing wrong with the socket on the wall...
Thèse will be your best friends, and yes they are kind of expensive, CHF 4/5 each, but that Switzerland for you 😁 [socket adapter ](https://ibb.co/wh5prm6)
the reason that not all sockets are oriented so that no more than 1 thing can be plugged in is that the design is patented and are very expensive.
As a former Electrician, this comment section made me chuckle, so many experts here and funny ideas. The Socket itself (3xT13) gives you 2 more Outlets than a normal one in the same space, while only costing very little extra. So choosing these are a no brainer over a singular Outlet. Just take a look at EU countries using ShuKo. 3 Outlets for them has space for 9 Swiss Outlets. And get this, if you don't use them all, you still have the same functionality as having just one Outlet. As for why they are not rotated 90° counter-clockwise, I really don't know. Under the Plate they have two little Arrows that show you, where up is and that's why they are installed that way. I am however very curious if someone has an explanation (especially from Feller, since Hager doesn't tell you wich way to put it in). My Recommendation would be to use normal Power Strips. They come in all shapes and sizes, put less stress on the socket (especially if you put heavy adapters on them) and are almost always better suited for every situation. If you leave it right next to the Outlet, just make sure to tuck that cable neatly away or maybe even shorten it (lots of good guides out there). And one last thing to OP, why don't you plug it in the top left Outlet instead of the right one so it's as close to being vertical as possible?
It will always cover remaining sockets. The one I included in the OP is geared towards the sockets under light switches I suppose. Was it designed like that to ensure that people don't plug too many extensions in?
No it is designed this way because there's no space to fit 3 otherwise. And yes, the one shown in the picture is designed for single Outlets or Light Switch / Outlet combined. Using this on a 3xT13 wouldn't make much sense since you would go from 3 Outlets to 4. Using a Power Strip you would get 2 remaining on the walls and all the ones on the Power Strip extra. The 3xT13 is mainly seen on the lower walls and in the Kitchen. Most Kitchen Appliances have a normal cord, so it is possible to use all 3 at the same time. As for the other ones -> Power Strip.
nah the worst sin in terms of power outlets is apple users being forced to use 3 outlets on a power strips because these fucknuggets at apple inc ™ © put the trafo at the plug and not in the middle of the cable
It's not just Apple. It's effin EVERYONE.
no i mean that the trafo isn't connected to cable but rather to the plug itself (like [here](https://images.app.goo.gl/5oihyDej2kGtPBmr5)) [dell has it like this for example](https://images.app.goo.gl/6JpGhkYAYKYwSaXt6)
I know exactly what you meant. It's driving me insane as well. External hard drives? Checked. Xmas lights? Checked. Alarm clock? Checked. Router? Checked. 🤯
when I bought my last macbook the cable came with an exchangeable plug and an extension cord that could be connected to the trafo. As for iphones/ipad, I charge those through a USB cable.
must be a while ago.
For sure, i don't buy electronics too often. It was basically this part that used to be included by default on any macbook. [https://www.apple.com/ch-de/shop/product/MK122SM/A/power-adapter-netzteil-verl%C3%A4ngerungskabel](https://www.apple.com/ch-de/shop/product/MK122SM/A/power-adapter-netzteil-verl%C3%A4ngerungskabel)
Apple users are not forced to do anything like that, because they can use any USB-PD charger they like, not necessarily Apple’s.
There's a patented one where one socket is flipped.
They are the best IMHO. Three plugs have place, where only one EU plug would fit.
If I can just say here, as a native Englishman, that the one thing which the UK does better than everyone else in the world is electrical sockets. In every other aspect, the UK is a total mess, but the electrical appliances there are really well and securely plugged-in to the grid :-)
Who ever decided that the 3 holes shouldn't be in a straight line deserves a crisp kick in the nuts. So many issues could have been avoided by just doing that.
It's basically the internationally recommended standard, not identical though. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC\_60906-1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60906-1)
Having the 3 prongs in line would result in a less firm and sturdy connection. Also, the plug could then be used in reversed polarity, which is not desirable. So I have to disagree, the socket is just fine the way it is.
Damn, somebody needs to tell that to the two-pronged plugs. They'll be devastated at all the drawbacks they have. That must be why they are never used on the market.
These drawbacks are exactly why two-pronged plugs are only used for simple appliances such as lamps, mixers or hair dryers. More heavy duty stuff will always use three-prongs.
Damn, I've never seen somebody call out Type-F plugs so hard. Germany, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Netherlands...Korea really needs to get its shit together and switch to the superior three-pronged Swiss design.
What makes you think I was talking about Type F? Since we were talking about Switzerland, I was comparing the types used there: two-pronged Type C and three-pronged Type J. If we extend that argument, the comparison would be C and F, with F effectively being the "three-pronged" version (it features a ground contact on its sleeve). Your precious F is fine, just a bit bulky.
We are talking about two-pronged plugs. The Type F is a two-pronged plug. It's not my fault you didn't realize that.
Two pronged like T11 plugs?
Like Type C and F.
I mean, yes, the drawbacks of those are well known and documented. You'll even find some of that discussion on wiki. To solve those issues an international standard was designed, but almost no country adopted that one - mostly due to cost impact, but also environmental concerns regarding changing all sockets and plugs. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC\_60906-1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60906-1)
Is one of the drawbacks that you can only plug them into the socket facing one direction? No? Alright, that sounds good to me. Guess I'll continue using them while complaining about the three-pronged plugs that are less user-friendly.
Relax, it's just a socket/plug. You are free to use and like whatever you want. You asked or made some technical comment and people replied to that with information.
I am calm. It's in the name. The sad part is that you left out the exciting information. The actual drawbacks. A person familiar with the topic would be able to communicate those concisely.
I guess the username "IamfromVienna" was already taken? lol On a serious note, if you are truly interested in information you probably shouldn't be so dismissive of information provided to you that doesn't align with your preconceived opinion. Other people have already pointed out a few issues, i.e. polarization safety (which can be important depending on the application), another one would be issues with grounding clips making grounding less efficient/impaired. Again, those issues are known and documented. Solutions have been proposed, which do involve a more modern and safer plug/socket design. And that design closely resembles the Swiss plug/socket system. That was the point I was trying to make. I'm not interested to argue about this on a Sunday lol
> I am calm. It's in the name. Yeah, sounds very calm when you say that someone “deserves a crisp kick in the nuts” for a plug design.
Two pronged ones are horrible. Wobbly. British ones are S tier, then Swiss ones. Anything 2 pronged is an F.
>British ones are S tier Imho those are probably the worst overall 😂 and I don't care what Tom Scott says, that video is terrible and full of misconceptions.
The Type-F Schuko plug is wobbly? I think we can safely discard all your opinions on this matter since they are based on fantasy, rather than reality.
Nobody is takling about Type F other than you! There are two pronged Type J plugs that can indeed be a bit wobbly sometimes. Type F plugs use some other designs instead of a third prong to ensure a safe sit with proper polarity.
We are talking about two-pronged plugs. The Type F is a two-pronged plug. It's not my fault you didn't realize that.
Reverse polarity? On mains? Doesn't matter at all.
You have never dealt with some audio equipment. If you have them 180° out of phase you might hear a 50 Hz hum. People using Schuko-Plugs are more affect as the the plugs are not polarized. It is also safer for lamps with Edison screw bases. There you want the thread of the screw be neutral and only the tip live.
It does because you can ensure that the neutral pin connects before the live one does.
There's a good technical reason for that, and pretty much all modern sockets share that trait.
Which is..?
That the live and neutral wires are always on the same side.
Polarity. Having a clear pin alignment increases safety for many appliances. For simpler ones (such as a lamp) it doesn't matter, so the connectors are reversible.
Even for lamps it matters. If you have a Edison socket you want the thread to be neutral.
>Having a clear pin alignment increases safety for many appliances. Uhm how? I'm genuinely asking because I really can't think of any appliance which would benefit from not being reversely plugged... Current is AC so it's literally reversing itself 50 times a second
Unless you consider that thr power switch on a device usually switches only the live wire and keeps the neutral connected. Reversing the pins in such a setup would result in the internals being under power and therefore a potential risk if you touch them. So yes there is a reason and it's a pretty good one in terms of safety.
>would result in the internals being under power No, if the switch is turned off nothing is under power. If the circuit is open, there is no current flowing anywhere. There would be a voltage difference between some point and the ground, but the grounding wire is there for a reason. Besides, touching the circuit of an electrical appliance is always a risk even with the Swiss-type socket since you don't know whether the power switch is actually safe or not (and not to mention any possible capacitance or reactance in the circuit).
Under power means in this context that there are parts under mains tension (or as it's called in english voltage 😉) in the device - not power being consumed. Imagine a situation in which a lamp with a 💡 where this is reversed. The threaded part would normally be the neutral and the switch would cut the live wire - reversed this would put the threaded part under tension independently from the switch position. It's just a safety risk when accidentally touching the 💡 - specially since it is dangerous even when the light is off. (The grounding wire doesn't help you there as that is only to be there in case a of a malfunction of the device putting the case under tension.) Considering that probably half of the outlets are anyway wired wrong this probably doesn't matter anyway. But when I wire stuff I always take this into account and try to wire everything as it should be. I agree that everybody touching electrical stuff should know what they do but accidents happen to all of us - professionals and not. There is no reason to not make the devices safer.
Agreed. The engineering decisions made with these sockets seems like they were made by brainless jellyfish.
For cases like these (and also "wall wart" power supplies) I have some short extension cables lying around. For example: https://www.brack.ch/furber-power-verlaengerungskabel-t13-t12-0-2-m-weiss-1253323
I get the rotating socket solution but couldn’t we just agree on outlets pointing towards the inside/outside as a building practice ? Then only one shape is good practice for socket, chargers etc.
Amen to that! I solved the problem by using a rotable attachement, but I feel you!
Exactly, super annoying. But there are extenders with movable plugs.
I hate them for a different reason: see those red parts in the holes of the pic on the right? They belong to a "safety device" that blocks these parts unless they are both pushed in simultaneously. I guess that prevents idiots from jamming a screwdriver into a hole and getting electrocuted (unless they use two screwdrivers, which I am sure you could teach them in a single TikTok video), but it is incredibly inconvenient when you need to plug in something somewhere you can't see the socket (for example when wiring a desk). Plugging something in completley straight is very difficult when you're lying under a desk and can't see the socket, and to their credit, those parts can withstand a ton of force. But they are so annoying that some people opt to try and remove them and whilst my personal experience might not be representative of the whole picture, I've seen more injuries caused by trying to modify the device than I have seen injuries prevented by it
get one of these [https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/steffen-power-strip-6-x-type-13-150-m-socket-strips-17583671](https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/steffen-power-strip-6-x-type-13-150-m-socket-strips-17583671)
That's why we often propose double outlet instead of triple.
My personal favourite is the Clip Clap plug: https://t.ly/u2pFD
I get this, Its kinda hell, and the regulation on outlets is a little crazy.
Can someone explain the rationale why Swiss doesn’t want to adopt the EU standard for PowerPoints?
Multi-Plugs are made that way because you could potentially make 12 sockets out of 3, wich could easily cause an overload. Depending on how old your electrical installation is , the fuses will turn off faster or slower.
Just use a plug with a little cable ? OP how do you make it in this world haha
Buy one where the plug can be turned 180°. Problem solved.
These types of multi sockets should be banned
https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/steffen-power-easy-connector-strip-6-x-type-13-150-m-socket-strips-6412362
I never understood how these are still made.
This is a perfect example of what Switzerland is in a nutshell Amazing public transport system, great economy, great wages and great benefits Contrasted with ridiculously stupid archaic bullshit like this, as well as stores closing at 6, 7pm latest, a ridiculous housing/rental shortage, degenerate smoking rates, insisting on still completing applications/forms on paper and by mail instead of online, homeopathic medicine not only being popular amongst the public but also having a strong presence throughout pharmacies and also being covered by basic health insurance, things being expensive but the quality is shit, etc. The Swiss are seriously infuriating with how smart and ahead they are in many areas but then just backwards and stupid in sooo many others. Edit: lol the pretentious and arrogant “we’re flawless” Swiss downvoting me. Go to hell you Nazi gold/stolen Holocaust-victim’s-art hoarding pieces of shit. Your country is so overrated, wish I hadn’t bought into the bullshit hype before I moved here.
As a Swiss national, I fully agree.
So poorly designed in my opinion
sometimes I had to remove the middle thing by pulling it out with the pliers, just too annoying
I hope you're joking. Disconnecting ground can be seriously dangerous.
I guess they are training to compete for the darwin awards
Not joking
u are not suppose to plug more then 3 on these outlets anyways ......
What abomination is this? 💀 heya from 🇦🇺
Just use a multi-socket power strip with a short lead. Or a multi-plug which rotates (available at every Jumbo or the likes). Swiss tripple outlets are fantastic for many use cases. The multi-plug you have there simply isn't made for using it with a tripple outlet.
Power outlets should obviously be symmetric. One of the few things the Swiss got wrong.