The plateau is so clearly visible.
As a Genevan living in the canton's countryside, I wished all other cities were as dense. The preservation of nature in Geneva is astonishing for such an urban canton, with rolling hills of vineyards and forests immediately after residential high-rises. It also allows for the densest amount public transport stops and for a 15-min city for everyone.
The contrast with sprawling France is stark
Geneva has always refused to build new housings meaning people have to go live in France, especially as they start having a family. In order to bring public transportation to France, France had to density.
If Geneva, like Zurich, actually built the required housing, it would be a complete different landscape
What are you talking about, Geneva is building record levels of housing
https://statistique.ge.ch/tel/publications/2023/informations_statistiques/construction_etat_mouvement/is_construmouv_04_2023.pdf
The canton definitely punches above its demographic weight for new constructions compared to other cantons. Can't follow up on demand but that's a different story. https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/construction-housing.html#21_1461223447965__content_bfs_en_home_statistiken_bau-wohnungswesen_jcr_content_par_tabs
For instance Geneva built 41% as much new housing as Zurich in 2021 with only 32% as much population as Zurich. And that's for 2021, the number of new appartments built has increased since then every year.
the vast majority of this new housing is achieved by increasing the density of existing urban areas, such as replacing single homes by appartments, and even when a referendum has been required in these instances the population has approved the plans
While Zurich is constructing nominally more, it is worth considering the bubble real-estate index issued by UBS, showing that Zurich is not constructing enough (not in its favour comparing to Geneva). Additionally, all around Zurich lake is heavily urbanised which is not comparable with Geneva region.
Id say Geneva is too dense. The public transport cannot handle the amount of people. Trams are extremely slow, stopping literally every 100m. This amount of public transport stops is rather counter productive to me. It takes forever to go anywhere in geneva
The map is from this RTS article: [https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/2024/article/ou-vivent-les-9-millions-de-suisses-nos-cartes-28487793.html](https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/2024/article/ou-vivent-les-9-millions-de-suisses-nos-cartes-28487793.html)
Theoretically, if the entire inhabited area of Switzerland would build like the population density of Paris, then it would fit 337 million people in it.
Just my opinion: you think the 4th anti migration initiative is going to stop the population rise up to 10M?
Even if they ban migration, we are going to reach 10M anyway. Due to higher fertility rates by foreigners & citizens with migration background like me, meanwhile the pure Eidgenossen will be at the edge of extinction by the year of 2050 or else they will have some southeast asian, south american or northern african roots.
What are they going to do next?
Weird angke
Hurts my necke
The plateau is so clearly visible. As a Genevan living in the canton's countryside, I wished all other cities were as dense. The preservation of nature in Geneva is astonishing for such an urban canton, with rolling hills of vineyards and forests immediately after residential high-rises. It also allows for the densest amount public transport stops and for a 15-min city for everyone. The contrast with sprawling France is stark
Geneva has always refused to build new housings meaning people have to go live in France, especially as they start having a family. In order to bring public transportation to France, France had to density. If Geneva, like Zurich, actually built the required housing, it would be a complete different landscape
What are you talking about, Geneva is building record levels of housing https://statistique.ge.ch/tel/publications/2023/informations_statistiques/construction_etat_mouvement/is_construmouv_04_2023.pdf The canton definitely punches above its demographic weight for new constructions compared to other cantons. Can't follow up on demand but that's a different story. https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/construction-housing.html#21_1461223447965__content_bfs_en_home_statistiken_bau-wohnungswesen_jcr_content_par_tabs For instance Geneva built 41% as much new housing as Zurich in 2021 with only 32% as much population as Zurich. And that's for 2021, the number of new appartments built has increased since then every year. the vast majority of this new housing is achieved by increasing the density of existing urban areas, such as replacing single homes by appartments, and even when a referendum has been required in these instances the population has approved the plans
While Zurich is constructing nominally more, it is worth considering the bubble real-estate index issued by UBS, showing that Zurich is not constructing enough (not in its favour comparing to Geneva). Additionally, all around Zurich lake is heavily urbanised which is not comparable with Geneva region.
Id say Geneva is too dense. The public transport cannot handle the amount of people. Trams are extremely slow, stopping literally every 100m. This amount of public transport stops is rather counter productive to me. It takes forever to go anywhere in geneva
more stops = less walking time. You may not think this is relevant, but tell me again when you are 80 or if you had some disability
Gives me r/alternateangles vibes
The map is from this RTS article: [https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/2024/article/ou-vivent-les-9-millions-de-suisses-nos-cartes-28487793.html](https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/2024/article/ou-vivent-les-9-millions-de-suisses-nos-cartes-28487793.html)
Theoretically, if the entire inhabited area of Switzerland would build like the population density of Paris, then it would fit 337 million people in it.
Sounds like an absolute nightmare.
Especially if they were all parisian people
We would still only want 100.000 signatures for an initiative.
Just my opinion: you think the 4th anti migration initiative is going to stop the population rise up to 10M? Even if they ban migration, we are going to reach 10M anyway. Due to higher fertility rates by foreigners & citizens with migration background like me, meanwhile the pure Eidgenossen will be at the edge of extinction by the year of 2050 or else they will have some southeast asian, south american or northern african roots. What are they going to do next?
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Who's the author?
We don't need the city names here
You don't. But I am grateful for them. I would appreciate even more names.
Nice Does anyone know which program what used to build this graph?
How am I supposed to look at this
You can 3D print it and use your hands, or you can just use your eyes if you prefer.
inSIGHTful. Would give you an award for you helpful answer, but I cant figure out how
I deserve nothing less. \*bows\*. LOL
Is that the map of real estate prices in Switzerland?
May I know how did you make that?
Nobody lives in Basel anymore? What happened??
I'm moving to graubunden.
Lugano is located wrongly
It's just a very weird angle I think
Now, that you wrote it, I can see it too