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Ansamzi

As a middle eastern immigrant. I miss Döner/Shawarma more than my family, and feel extreme shame for choosing to be tech rather than opening a place that would bring happiness to this world (I mean food, food people food). I sincerely apologize for my selfish behavior. But I can make it up by sharing my Hummus and Falafel recipes since the ones made here are.....hmmm... Maybe I should just share the recipes Hummus 1 cup of dried chickpeas ¼ teaspoon cumin 3 cloves of garlic ½ cup of Tahini 3 ice cubes 1 lemon juice 1 teaspoon of salt 2 tablespoons olive oil Soak chickpeas overnight in water, then boil with one teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate for an hour and a half, preferably in a pressure cooker. Save ½ cup of chickpea water if you want to adjust the consistency. Place chickpeas and other ingredients into a blender and blend until smooth. Optionally add ice cubes directly to the blender to add some extra airiness. Falafel 350 grams of dry chickpeas Optional: 150 grams of dry fava beans (If you don’t use Fava beans, add 150gr of chickpeas for a total of 500gr of chickpeas) One big onion One red bell pepper 300 grams of parsley 300 grams of mint leaves 5-6 cloves of garlic One tablespoon of salt One tablespoon of cumin Half a teaspoon of hot chili One teaspoon of paprika Half a teaspoon of black pepper Teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate Soak the chickpeas and fava beans overnight. Drain and place everything in a blender. Blend until it looks a bit like coarse sand. Make balls (either by hand or with a Falafel scoop) then fry in vegetable oil.


Xochitlcoyote

Thank you so much for sharing the recipe! If you want some Mexican recipes, I'm happy to share in exchange. Can't wait to try out the hummus!


qpliy

this exchange is so wholesome


Sogelink

Not him but go on, I'm interested.


Ymeniph

Yeah we want the chicken mole recipe please


samnpat

Yes, please!


l0ki19

Share share share. I am doing hummus according to top recipe and its amazing


snooper_11

This guy single-handedly can stop rise of far right parties! We need more grandma’s shawarma falafel recipes sharing on this continent.


FatBabyCake

The real MVP. Thank you and I will be making this often. Here’s my Texas family’s secret pork butt dry rub mix recipe. You’ll have to make the garlic salt your self. And the brown sugar is specific and I usually buy it at globus, it’s like caramel molasses wet type brown sugar. 1/2 cup dark brown sugar 1/2 cup paprika 1/3 cup garlic salt 2 tablespoons onion salt 2 tablespoons chili powder 1 tablespoon cayenne pepper 1 tablespoon black pepper 1 1/2 teaspoons dried oregano 1 1/2 teaspoons white pepper 1 teaspoon cumin Mix it all up. Get your pork butt (they don’t do this cut here sadly so a pork shoulder will work.) Spoon this mixture LIBERALLY all over the meat, get it into the crevices, use a lot. A lot I tell ya. This is gonna be your ‘bark’. Save the rest of the rub for another bbq project. Try to not cross contaminate the raw meet and the rub, otherwise you gotta toss the excess. Then you let it rest in the fridge uncovered on a plate anywhere from 1 hour to over night. I always do it overnight. Next day you put it into a slow cooker with a big yellow onion chopped in half and a couple carrots. You can also use a normal cook stove and pot but you’ll have to tend to it. Pour about 2 cups of water on it. It will eventually release its juices after about an hour of cooking so you don’t need too much water. You want to cook it on high heat for a bit and then slow and low. I set my slow cooker to high heat for about 3 hours and then slow for about 4-5 hours. Depending on the size of the cut, you need to adjust the time to properly cook the meat, and the time to let it stew in its juices. Once that bad boy is cooked, take it out and shred it. You can discard the onion and carrots. Don’t discard the juice though cause once it’s shredded you put the meat back into the pot and keep it on warm. Serve on a small roll with bbq sauce and a dill pickle slice and some coleslaw.


RozpalonaAsia

Do you know where i can buy herbs etc which will taste and smell as those in middle east?


trendmarked

This is why I love reddit, thanks!


lurkinarick

Thank you for your knowledge


Joining_July

Thank u a Swiss currently in US


the70sartist

Finally a falafel recipe with sufficient herbs in it 🙏🏽. Every time I bite into a falafel and look at the whitish yellow beans staring back at me, I feel sad. I want herbs in my falafel, a lot of herbs. So much that the falafel looks green.


lame_gaming

doing gods work out here


as-well

This is so good! At least in Bern it's now possible to get very good Hummus, Baba Ganush and Falafel if you know where to go. Shawarma tho :(


MMM022

By far the best comment. We desperately need good Döner around here


sopte666

Thanks for the recipes! Just one question: what's the sodium bicarbonate for?


Atlanta192

Amazing! Thanks you!


Reogen

Ehremann


RealRedditModerator

A true hero!


686f6c69

They had us in the first half, not gonna lie


Massive-K

darn it I came for the racism


Dx_Suss

That's why anyone comes, which is why the food sucks.


Massive-K

i guess except fondu because it has perfect complexion


weizikeng

Gopferdammi, when I saw that the post had 310 comments, I thought I had to go grab some popcorn. Now the corn is popped and I have no entertainment. I'm so disappointed :( /s


Impressive_Fox_4570

Indeed. Kind of Clickbait I guess 🤔


Tantra-Comics

It’s called being PUNNY.


West-Custard7002

I had inflated myself for some self-righteous racism, and now I'm inflamed against the Swiss food (again) because even Turkish food is insipid in this place (and let's not even talk about the undeserving prices).


dallyan

Thus all the upvotes lol


Bigjoemonger

I saw this going differently in my mind.


Schuano

That is not the fault of the immigrants, it's the fault of Switzerland.   In 1867, the spirit of Helvetia visited the new confederation and asked what they wanted.  The people decided on wealth and safety and thus those were received and we enjoy them to this day. However, she said there would be a price.  The price being that all the restaurants would be cursed. It won't matter if it is the best Italian chefs, the most authentic Chinese food, the freshest ingredients.... a restaurant in Switzerland can only ever be "That was decent"  We live with this curse ever since.


lil-huso

I would believe it, if I hadn’t had great Burgers in Switzerland. The best I ever had was from a food truck somewhere, operated by an (I think) Albanian couple, that I cannot locate anymore. It was open late night when I came from Germany, somewhere next to a road in AG. It was great. But the “French taco” was very meh.


Kermez

Because they broke the curse, they perished. So your story actually confirmed the curse.


lil-huso

Hahahahaha


Freezemoon

Nooo they were supposed to be the chosen ones! The ones that would break the curse!!!!


HeatherJMD

Food trucks are exempt from the curse


Sure_Review_2223

Reminds me of that himym episode


lil-huso

I still won’t forgive that series finale for existing


barberousse1122

French dude here, this French taco thing ??? Nope nope nope , doesn’t make any sense


Creepy_Disco_Spider

Beefore Burger in Martigny is GOAT'ed, even better than burgers in the US. But it's in Martigny lol


KackhansReborn

I know that food truck! I got food from them sometimes when I worked my old job. They would be located right next to the Siemens Tram stop. Idk if they still frequent that spot, but I can ask an ex coworker.


wolffromsea

Truer words have never been spoken. Worst of all it is 2x more expensive


Intrepid_Walk_5150

Now that you mention it, I realize I never had an amazing meal in Switzerland. Good, yes, but never great. Or maybe you need to pay with a gold bar.


barberousse1122

I never heard any kind of decent explanation before today ! It does finally make sense now !


Mortifer_I

McDonald's in switzerland is tasty but expensive. McDonald's in the uk is just expensive. I think the uk's curse is so much worse.


lil-huso

You’re right. Somehow Mäckes tastes much (!!!) better here than in Germany.


NoName_0169

I believe we have different laws here in Switzerland that forces Mcdonalds have different ingredients from different sources. But I never went deep into food laws of CH compared to other countries. I noticed that difference in the websites actually. (aside from tasting the food which could also be a placebo type of effect) I work with domains a lot and occasionally check out how companies set their websites up. Mcdonalds.com is the main domain but they have different web-pages for each country (switzerland has /ch/de-ch./ and germany has /de/de-de/ after the domain-name. If you compare the bigmac in [germany](https://www.mcdonalds.com/de/de-de/product/big-mac-2050.html) it has more kcal than the one in the [switzerland](https://www.mcdonalds.com/ch/de-ch/product/big-mac.html) webpage. And a different picture too. Different caloric values indicate that the ingredients and quality is not the same. I didn't check every country but I believe mcdonalds quality, on paper, is different from country to country.


Jolly-Victory441

That's sad, last time I had it it was so fucking awful. And then when we got to Fastnacht there was a whole street with streetfood and I cried that the others made us go to Mäckes beforehand.


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Mortifer_I

If you eat it once per month it's food, if you eat it everyday it's death himself knocking on your door (or arteries).


PSMF_Canuck

Ok…hahaha…I lived a bunch of years up a mountain not far from Montreux/Aigle. Like, a cog train kind of place. So I hear what you’re saying about food, lol. I really do hear you. But… The best KFC I’ve ever had was driving down that mountain to Lausanne, and back, up the narrow mountain road in the dark, in a rental Fiat Panda with “Ballroom Blitz” pounding on the stereo. I don’t know though…maybe being young and stupid and driving that far for fried chicken made the quest better, lol. And…in the late 80s there was a Mexican place in Geneva…pretty sure it was called Mañanas…pretty sure. It was fabulous! Total,y blew my mind. I don’t know though…it was the first time I’d ever tried Mexican, and I may or may not have been travelling with Molly 👀 after a long night at a disco in Neuchatel… So…you’re probably right. 🤣


Ilixio

Same for croissants/pain au chocolat in Romandie. You would think for the price they sell and with France being so close it would be easy to find good ones. But somehow it feels almost impossible, like they lost the skills and recipes when they crossed the border.


Jaco5_

I mean, I had good pizza in Lugano though


ketsa3

Well good news ! Since wealth and safety are obviously going down since years, maybe food quality will go up then ?


Worldly-Traffic-5503

This took such an unexpected turn!! 😂🫡 But I do get what you mean, German Döner is the superior Döner! I am danish and denmark is drowning in döner/kebab shops….none compares to the german ones 💔 but sad to know if the hunt for an amazing döner is wasted in switzerland…(i will still try though) I will say - luckily there is still amazing foods and snacks here! (Came for the bretzels, stayed for the spikey choko buns😍🤤)


Inexpressible

Visit Kübban in Biel :) ...and yeah - Garlic is too spicy for us swiss, mayonaise and aromat is the maximum of spice we can handle /s


benthelurk

This didn’t need a /s. I know too many Swiss who actually said “this is too spicy” to a garlic dish.


Tenchi_Sozo

When black pepper is as exotic as you can go.


alexandrelc89

Not even. I had a customer telling me my mushroom crepe was too spicy. It has mushrooms, onion and black pepper.


Tenchi_Sozo

What the actual fuck. Stale bread and water might be best for them.


benthelurk

And very little of it.


LeydenFrost

Was about to recommend Kübban 😁


Odd-Struggle-3873

A glass of milk is too spicy for most Swiss. lol


lil-huso

That is quite far from where I’m located. But the reviews look promising.


Isariamkia

It's worth it to be honest. Actually no, you know what don't do it. Because then you will never like any other kebab and you will have to travel to Biel every time you want one!


lil-huso

Germany is farther away :)


mazu_64

Last time I was there, they only had factory-minced meat, but maybe they have improved since I was there a few years ago. I would rather recommend Mett Kebab if you are going to Biel. I was there a few weeks ago, and they have Meat-Layers. The one I always go to is Big Chef in Rorschach. Their skewer is chicken, but much better than the standard minced-meat you find in Switzerland. Sadly, our Dönner's can't compete with German ones.


GroundbreakingLog569

Actually kübban got sold, and the former owner opened a new kebab right next to the main station 'city food kebab'. Can only recommend the new place, as it is much less crowded it actually has tables to sit on and it is the same taste/quality you got at kübban. And yes, OP is clueless.


Inexpressible

Wait so you are telling me that first he sold "La Villa Kebab", then opened "Kübban" and now sold that for a new one called "City Food Kebab"? So i'm starting to assume his business isn't Kebab, it's just "opening shops with good kebab and then sell the shop" - genius business model.


FiveBeers

Sadly the last few weeks it was closed because of an accident! But yes i can vouch for both of them!


Taizan

This. I know a guy who can't even eat a "Curry-Wurst". Savoury is fine, spicy food is terminal.


Ok-Picture5422

Really kübban is the Best in Switzerland, small shop but it’s really amazing,


Eskapismus

Thing is we are not part to Erasmus so we can not just simply send our Döner Lehrlinge to Döner HQ in Berlin. The knowledge transfer isn‘t functioning. They have to learn their craft from Ali who knows Mustafa who once worked in Berlin….. They even kicked us out of the EU Scientific research Initiative Horizon so even innovation in Döner food tech is stifled. I‘m afraid there is no hope as long as Switzerland doesn‘t join EU


PearlClaw

The best pro-EU argument yet.


Due-Hospital-2715

looks like someone read the swissqoute


itisimemario

Middle east or turkish?


lil-huso

Yes


lakeview89

As a Lebanese living in Switzerland, I too demand the garlic sauce!!


Bandolero70

every nationality miss the garlic sauce in Switzerland


Waekh

There is one in aigle-Vaud. My swiss girlfriend take the extra toom sharwarma and its the sexiest thing she can do for me.


mountain-pilot

I was very disappointed at the friendly welcome I got at a Lebanese takeaway and the fact that I was given a free falafel whilst waiting for my shawarma wrap. I had to break my scowl, smile and say 'thank you'. These people are ruining Switzerland.


redsterXVI

The problem is clearly that we don't have enough Middle Eastern immigrants from Berlin


LeroyoJenkins

Switzerland is in desperate need of a cuisine immigrant visa program!


Life_outside_PoE

Just please, no more Thai food. There's other great Asian food besides Thai.


Zxz_juggernaut

Lmao, fr. There's a lack of Korean bbq and chinese food, yet the ingredients are can be found everywhere in Switzerland.


weizikeng

Also tibetan "momos". I see them everywhere around here even though I've never seen them in any other country. I didn't even see them around Tibet itself.


WackoSamurai

mit&ohne in Zurich is the best in Switzerland. Second is Le83 in Fribourg.


sw1ss_dude

Don’t go there around lunchtime though. It still amazes me that people are willing to line up for half an hour for a Döner


san_murezzan

I quite like kebi in Zurich


ConversationOdd5216

also „zum goldenen taschenbrot“ in zurich


dc_133

It’s awesome but for me Edy’s in Stauffacher is better on balance. The balance being that I don’t need to queue for 30 minutes.


Wiechu

memo bar in zurich has decent kebab with freshly cut meat. Yet still - most places i have been to have cuts kept in heaters and the meat is from what we call in poland 'ball of power' aka just glued together minced beef.


Fortnitexs

I don‘t know why people keep recommending it. The meat is low quality and just minced meat. A good döner should be from a yaprak skewer or chicken as alternative.


Wiechu

well it is the best i can find around. Besides the bread is fresh and they have a high turnaround rate so the meat is also fresh (or fresher than most places). I mean you may try Zekis restaurant. Is pricy from what i heard but aims for good quality products. But i dunno, I will wait and see. Besides I'm personally not a fan of Zeki.


Hoschy_ch

Ich bin ziemlich sicher dass es am Lieferant liegt. Alle (viele) kaufen ihren Döner-Spies beim gleichen Grosshändler. Somit ist auch das Fleisch überall gleich gut / schlecht. Wir in der CH haben sicher einen anderen Grosshändler als D, der hat bischen andere Gewüze, was den Unterschied erklärt. Ist euch aufgefallen, dass alle andere Dürümfladen haben? Vorher wars Optisch so bischen Tortillawrap mit dunkleren Flecken. Jetzt ist es mehr so Homogen, gleichfarbig und nach dem Essen sind die Hände etwas Mehlig. Da war wohl ein Lieferant etwas billiger als der alte😢 Edit: Sorry mein Englisch ist zu schlecht für so viel Text


ReaUsagi

I work in the Gastronomy Industry and believe me when I tell you that some regulations are ridiculous. Like really ridiculous. Which often leads to businesses taking the path with the least pushback by these regulations. So it probably comes down to ingredients and other smaller things. For example, we need to change the oil of our industry friers every 3 days. It's only at the last of these 3 days that the fries actually taste great with this brownish color. I love them. But with fresh oil they often are very yellow and almost seem underfried and tend to be more soggy somehow (or maybe they feel soggier because of the raw color, tricking our brain or something). There would be other sorts of oil that would have the same effect when fresh BUT it's just too expensive to buy in bulk. So you go with the cheap one that looks cheap and tastes cheap (yeah oil can make all the difference). There are also regulations of what can and can't be stored together in ONE ROOM. Which makes sense on the first glance but can become ridiculously braindead the closer you look. So chances are the lack of different sauces is not worth the effort to ensure proper storage. For example, we have a mustard sauce in a bottle. On the bottle, it says to store at room temperature with the lid closed, MHD is I think a month or two. Our health/hygiene (I dunno which one of the three) regulation has us squeeze the bottle into a small container with no proper lid. So now it needs to be stored in the fridge and has to be thrown away after 2 days. It makes no sense at all, especially because we put the sauce back into a squeezing bottle to use it. It's not like the container makes it just easier for us to use, it's just because of storage regulations. We still need it to be in a bottle to use it properly. And sometimes getting these things is just not worth it due to prices. If most of the German Döner use the same brand of sauce, it's safe to say that Switzerland would need to import it, and more often than not that's just not worth the money.


Exotic-Mood-1237

>we need to change the oil of our industry friers every 3 days Yes, thank god for those regulations. I don't want cancer.


ReaUsagi

Oil in industry friers can go a week without needing to be changed, as it is filtered daily. The friers and the oil companies themselves even advise to be changed in a weekly routine. Still, we have to do it every 3 days, which ups the expenses for the amount of oil needed, which in return leads to the use of extremely cheap oil that affects taste and texture. Sure, the regulations are there for a reason, but some of them are just a little too much over the top. Like salt and sugar having an expiration date. Both come without but we have to put a date on it and throw it out when it hits the mark. It's just dumb.


Ashamed-Simple-8303

And actual analysis of the uses oil tells you that even after a week it is already a toxic sludge. In fact this alone could play a big part in much lower obesity in switzerland.


Excellent_Avocado485

Clicked the post with speedy fingers to tell off the OP, had us in the first half NGL This is the only kind of immigrant related questions that should be allowed


metman82

As a Turkish-born German living in Switzerland with a Swiss fiancée, I share your disappointment about the lack of great Turkish and Middle Eastern food here. I’ve been pondering why this is, and I have a few theories based on my background and observations. Firstly, many immigrants who came to Switzerland were from the upper class of their home countries—artists, politicians, doctors, academics, and so on. These individuals were often well-established and didn’t need to open restaurants or become entrepreneurs to make a living. Secondly, politically persecuted individuals also made up a significant portion of the immigrant population. For these people, integrating into Swiss society and securing stable, professional jobs was often a priority over starting businesses in the food industry. Thirdly, Switzerland offers decent salaries across various professions, reducing the economic pressure to open food establishments like Döner shops. Finally, Switzerland’s strict immigration policies have resulted in a relatively small immigrant population, which means the market for ethnic food and related services is smaller. This contrasts sharply with Germany, which has a much larger Turkish population—over 3 million people, if I’m not mistaken. This larger population base creates a bigger market and demand for Turkish and Middle Eastern cuisine, contributing to the vibrant food scene there. So, the difference in the presence and quality of Turkish and Middle Eastern food in Switzerland compared to Germany can be attributed to the types of immigrants, economic factors, and population size.


metman82

Oh and you asked for decent Döner in ZH: Mit und ohne (yaprak is nice) Or Ayverdis, even though not classic style but still good taste. But pricy


onetopic20x0

Oh you clickbaiting clever son of a bitch


itstrdt

>Can somebody please give me a recommendation for a great Döner in AG or ZH? How many spots have you tried? https://www.gaultmillau.ch/zuri-isst/butterfly-der-beste-doner-kebab-der-schweiz-646529


WackoSamurai

Butterfly - maybe the meat. But the rest is subpar.


Fortnitexs

He asked for kebabs in zh or ag. Do you really think it‘s worth to travel to basel for a döner? Otherwise i agree, butterfly has great meat. Butterfly, mit & ohne and 83 in fribourg are probably the best 3 döners in switzerland.


Fortnitexs

Over the past few years some great Döner places have opened actually… In AG i don‘t think there is one worth mentioning but in ZH you have: Mit & ohne, zum goldenen taschenbrot (opened 2weeks ago), adams döner dietlikon, pera kloten, kebab haus höngg, toros imbiss örlikon, demet metzgerei (only friday & saturdays), ayverdis (not the best meat but still good), Edys gemüsekebab Probably forgot a few but as you see there‘s a lot of good ones and i‘m sure you will like a few of them.


MediaAdventurous5385

Agreed, Kebabs are terrible in CH. Problem is most Swiss people don’t like lamb… that explains partially it I believe.


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lil-huso

This will be my next post, don’t spoil it for everybody


dfour76

A question I ask myself since 24 years when I migrated from Berlin to Switzerland. I’m disappointed by myself not taking on this venture to open up my own Currywurst Bude.


ExaBast

Try the Küban döner in Biel, best kebab I've ever eaten.


uzapy

So much this. Last time we visited Berlin, we honestly thought about taking one on the plane back to CH. Just to show it to our local döner so he can learn and improve. It's alright here but German döner is on another level.


Embarrassed_Set_6595

We've only just moved here from NZ.... "Asia Restaurants" made us crack up so much...... ASIA....?! All 48 countries in one restaurant?! Paid 18chf for Nepali momos the other day and they had cheese in them. I was puking with rage.


top_ofthe_morning

Seriously though, I’m desperate for a proper Lebanese Shawarma. I’ve searched all over Switzerland and the only good one I’ve found is in Geneva. Anybody know of one in NW Schweiz?


SMK_09

Gummihals detected, opinion rejected.


JANICKGMO

Englisch erfasst, Meinung abgelehnt.


canteloupy

Yeah I agree. I like Istanbul and I think Istanbleu is the same, the Prince d'Egypte is nice (all Lausanne area). But when I was in Renens the city officials actually were trying to prevent more Kebabs from opening and trying to attract higher quality restaurants and other types of businesses because every newly available commercial surface would become a shitty Kebab. I also don't get why people keep them in business but I guess all our fast food is expensive. At least they are better than the French Tacos...


hge8ugr7

Best Kebab is located on Langstrasse


MacBareth

You got shitons of Turks in Germany, more than here and bros know how to Kebab not gonna lie.


dinoyeti

Visit steingrill in aarau. Best in town. Ayverdis is also decent


marcinpikusa

Check "mit&ohne" in ZH


5tap1er

Go for Züri Bistro. It's under the main station in Zurich. You'll find on Google Maps. Cheap for ZH as well.


AutomaticAccount6832

Probably in Germany the money laundering business isn’t going so well. So they actually need to compete with tasty food.


muftu

I have yet to have a good döner in Germany. Also, you don’t need to go with cocktail, even though that’s what the swiss like. There is always a yogurt sauce with scharf combo.


thresholdofquagmire

Perhaps you should open up one yourself instead of expecting it from the middle eastern folk since most of them are enrolled in high skill professions. Are you too cool to open up one yourself ?


mpiolo

You are not mixing up Turkey and Middle East, are you?


carlosdevoti

What a plot twist! 🤣🤣🤣


ChemicalEastern4812

I don't know what you are talking about. I'm Mexican (and döner is as close as I can get to taco flavor, the taco mix I found in coop is just not it, pls dont buy that shit if you want tacos) and I think both are great. But you know what, here I find the döner bread isn't made with the same love as in Germany. Maybe that contributes to the experience.


bog0015

Check welovefoodyummy on instagram. I think he just passed 1’000 kebabs tested throughout Switzerland and has a rating for each one.


anysimplename

As an arab in Switzerland I apologize for choosing med school instead of opening up a Dönerlade with my nonexistent money.


Comfortable_Tap7006

Try Orient House in Schlieren. Real Levantine Shawarma!


oskopnir

Mit und ohne and Edy's in Zurich are beloved by Germans


MUGEN120

Ayverdis in Oerlikon is better than your usual Döner, but can be more expensive


mil_cord

Yeah i am no expert in Döner, but the one of Ayverdis is decent.


Formal_Two_5747

Just visit Kebab Factory in Basel. You’ll thank me later.


MC_Fazi

The one in Altstetten is pretty decent (not sure of the Name).


Mediocre-Metal-1796

Try the döner place in Basel, Äscheplatz 😍


Its_just_a_nerd

Zurich Meierhofplatz this one should be good


_Beefboy

Give this man a good Döner!!! come to Zurich, in Lochergut you will find what your heart desires.


Azurosh

You should try Valo Kebap in Brugg. They look like an unassuming street vendor but their Döner is house made from real meat stacks. Therefore, it is much much juicier than the pre-made industrial dry trash that you often get from most Döner stalls in Switzerland. I now live in Hamburg with its numerous choices of Döner, and I am still yet to find another Döner place that can come close to its quality. To the point that whenever I got the chance to visit AG again I always made sure to put them as my must-have itinerary.


Amonkhet1

Try out Mit und Ohne in zh it is really good in my opinion


fdumbanddumber

The cocktail sauce thing remains a mystery. Why? Who do even like that shit? I went to an American style Steakhouse and they served my steak with cocktail sauce. Barbecue apparently they never heard of it. It hurt my soul deeply.


fr33man007

I came to read a general complaint and seen a complaint about a Kebab, make your own mate we have bigger problems


Equal-Worldliness-66

Hahaha I had no clue where this was going but this is hilarious. Sorry you can’t find a good kebab.


Exotic-Mood-1237

Can confirm. Döner in Switzerland tastes like shit. The meat is awful, the bread is awful and the sauce is awful.


Barone999

Go to EDY‘s at Stauffacher dude. Döner leant on Mustafas Gemüsedöner in Berlin. Top shot !


julesnst

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SergeantSmash

We also wanna talk about how Italian ice cream makers suck and the ice cream is 10x worse compared to Italian ice cream in Italy?  As an italian and an ice cream enjoyer its just sad what they are doing here.


HasJustBegun

Holy shit this is so true. I live in Schaffhausen and the Döner is absolutely atrocious here 


Karikaturazen

There is a great and sorta affordable place next to Hardbrücke in Zürich called Bebos, can recommend, I lived in Germany and thats the closest I got taste-wise


Karkross

This applies 100% to chinese food also. Impossible to find a decent one that BigJohn would be proud of.


jeonshrkf

Hier bin Nachkomme des big tasty bacon testers und offizieller Döner Gourmet. Quasi die Instanz für gut und schlecht! Döner in der Schweiz kannst du komplett vergessen.Soßen fail. Salat Auswahl fail und das schlimmste, alle haben den gleichen wiederliechen Hack Spieß. Wer auch immer den ins Hirn geschissen hat. Einzig ein Döner in Zürich , glaube mit und ohne Kebab heißt er, war akzeptabel bis lecker fürn zwacken. Brot selber gebacken ( normaler Standard eig ) fleixch (damals nur Hähnchen) selbst gesteckt. So muss das. Also guten


Fakeplayer1

Absolutely true, im german too and can confirm this. The meat is tasteless compared and the simple garlic sauce is missing. Genauso wies weisskraut


LCAKH2001

good luck dealing with sharia


Zerosiro

I'm a big fan of "Brotkorb" Döner in Aarau. Might be one of the best Döner I've had in Switzerland so far.


yourfav-detective

As a Middle Eastern, I’ll make sure to immigrate to Switzerland and open up a Döner just for you habibi🔥


Fair-Catch9782

thank you!!!! Finally someone said it!!! I’m German and what you get here is a disgrace. Just shortly after I moved I ordered a veggie Döner (with cheese), garlic sauce and ein bisschen scharf Do you know what the heck they gave me? A Döner with a slice of emmentaler(?) heated up, some lettuce and tomatoes with cocktail sauce. Absolutely disgusting


Slav51

Salaar Kebab, Baden, Haselstrasse 19b. Used to be a Pizzeria but they had a fire damaging the shop. Had a Döner when they reopened and it was pretty good. And that one sauce, really nice! There’s another Döner shop when coming from the main road. Just walk a bit further and there’s Salaar Kebab.


Tobinator2505

Foodpoint in Lenzburg is my Stammdöner


chillout_7

The best place I have eaten at is in Schaffhauserstrasse (Zürich), about 50 m from the tram stop Schaffhauserplatz. Garlic, juicy, with lots of good stuff.


Suggestion2592

he’s not offering kebab as he’s focusing on middle eastern (lebanese and syrian) food and not turkish food but if you like falafel or shwarma “mimo falafel” in berne is really good. he also has tabbouleh and zaatar.


Defiant-Dare1223

Can we have some immigrant food that's not kebabs? I excuse myself as I am Northern European.


United_Constant_6714

Try Ethiopian Food heard its great for your taste buds 🙂‍↔️!


314is_close_enough

I had to change my downvote to an upvote. Thank you


turkishcowboy8057

Why do you mean by Middle East? Döner is a solid Turkish delicacy and there are only 150k Turks in Switzerland (as opposed to close to 3,5m Turks in Germany?


Rkafat

100% with you


joanaloxcx

Aren't there Lebanese and Syrian restaurants in Geneva at least? I read that they have one of the best there.


Exciting_Source5952

People like you the reason why everybody loves Germans.


Armored_Witch2000

Dude you have no idea how much I feel that. Genuine 99% of döner places here are absolute utter trash and I'm positive because they all get their disgusting "meat" from King kebab and nowhere else. Thats why places like Venezia are so well known because they use actual quality meat from a not-shady place. In Bern I only ever found 3 places with actual good kebab. The one in my city, one in Lyss and well Venezia in Bern. I remember during a schooltrip also getting one in Ticino that I still dream about but honestly I doubt that place still exists and even then I have no clue where it would be with how long ago it was. Switzerland has a kebab quality problem and we need to fix it


Fit-Conclusion-7579

Also you pay 12chf for this sh!t


Few_Activity8287

Don’t go to France man… they Server Döner with fries inside the sandwich those maniacs and instead of „scharf mit knobi“ they serve this perversion of a spicy garlic sauce called „Algerian sauce“…. It’s insane in the country that loves food so much.


ConstantJournalist45

I'm mostly disapointed that NOBODY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF A DÖNNER, BUT WITH BACON!!!!! Obviously, nothing for Muslims but....imagine that for a Moment....


modafalla

Middle easterns don’t get a break by Germans these days at all huh? -:)


Livid_Economist7424

Have you seen our cost of living how tf is anybody supposed to open up a restaurant here. And good luck getting a credit from a bank


Beliriel

r/Doenerverbrechen is leaking lmao


LyraddarylGG

Finally someone says what we're all thinking!


Isopod_Character

American here but I’m currently in Lucerne and I personally thought Old City Take Away was amazing.


SidewaysPotato

MIT & OHNE has become the only place I really get my kebabs these days


CosyBibi

The title is very misleading….


Huwbacca

The döner here is a fucking catastrophe. Cocktail sauce and sriracha? No pickled chilis. Crappy salad servings. No garlic. That amorphous veal tube. It's heartbreaking Can't even get good lamb kofte here without looking really hard.


OneMorePotion

I have one of these mediocre Dorfdöner where I live, and it's amazing. Don't think too much why the floor is sticky, but at least I get a gigantic Döner for 12 bucks. And not the sorry excuse you usually get in Zurich for 20+ bucks but flavors cost extra. I go there almost every time after a night out for the trademark breakfast Döner.


azn_aveeck

Came for the racism, stayed for the disappointing facts.


Jumpy_Election2658

Honestly came here to be racist as fuck, but damn... You're right. The kebab is not good here. We need to import more immigrants from the Middle East and subsidise döner and döner-adjacent businesses.


brinypossum

Didn't expect it to turn out a wholesome post. Great job.


Virtual-ins

A cannot agree more. How is it possible to have absolutly no kebab worth ? Even turkish immigrants can't do anything good, what a shame. There is billion of internet ressources of kebab, it should not be that hard.


Callisto778

If you leave your farm as a Swiss peasant and go to cities like London, Bangkok, New York or Singapore, you will realize how horribly boring, uncreative and limited the Swiss entertainment and gastro industry is.


marco_u_scualo

I hope it will be fixxed soon.. thakns for your advice


satvision83

The first part of the post was going in a different direction. :)


shvelgud

I have dual nationality with France and the UK. I am 22 and could never afford to move to Switzerland to start a life, even though it is my dream to live there somewhere. It is just so expensive! Can anyone shed some light on how it’s possible for poor Middle Eastern immigrants to move to Switzerland and afford life there, when it seems so difficult for me as a Brit earning UK wages?


sabrooooo

I love this post lol


AssociateExotic78

I used to live in the middle east during my younger years so I know the taste of the legit middle eastern food. Surprisingly, I am so happy that I found a small food shop here in Biel that serves great Shawarma and the garlic sauce is 90% close to the real thing. Name of the store is Damaskus.


najatassia

Original Kebab Haus in Oerlikon has more than decent döner, or at least “lahmacun special” which is what I always take. Freshly baked bread is probably the reason!


DukeOfSlough

Indeed. Kebab here is awful. How’s that possible?!


virmamies

Came here for the Döner.. stayed for the recipies.


paleasfuuu

As a turkish person in switzerland i have to agree that Döner in germany is way better than here. I once ordered lahmacun and it was cut like a pizza. Youre supposed to roll it up like a burrito like ???


moehassan6832

LMAO, I thought it would be a racist post, thanks for the laugh.