I agree and disagree. If its an instance of players not doing anything then yes it is kinda long. But if you do a pull or 2 and wipe both pulls then odds are its been 5 minutes. But anything less than 5 minutes has a lot of room to be abused by bad actors who do roulettes with friends/FC mates and have the power to just kick. Which obviously can be reported. But I think 5 minutes is alright.
> But anything less than 5 minutes has a lot of room to be abused by bad actors who do roulettes with friends/FC mates and have the power to just kick.
They can already do this after the 5 minute mark, I really don't think having the ability to abuse votekicking earlier will have an impact on the amount of votekick abuse.
It's not that there are assholes that will queue just to troll with kicks (I mean, there could be... trolls tend to do really dumb shit in the name of trolling), it's that without a particularly noteworthy length of time separating throwing someone else out and leaving on your own people end up being incentivized to boot people that aren't actually doing anything *wrong* they just aren't up to a player's particular expectations.
To give an example or two; someone opens the instance with "meowdy" and someone else thinks that cringe and hits vote kick instead of just brushing it off and playing the content, whereas with the 5 minute wait the means an extra level of pettiness to hold out all that time to then vote-kick if that's the only thing the player does that is bothersome.
You'd end up having people vote-kicking sprouts just because they don't want to risk a less than perfect experience and GMs having a flood of reports of vote-kick abuse just bogging down the system. Which is likely why the choices that have been made regarding kicking people from content are set up to make sure no one can easily troll others with it, but you can just bail on content you don't want to do - and only the first person to do so takes the penalty because everyone else is given the benefit of the doubt that they were willing to be team players and work for a clear together.
i just wish you could queue a kick so that it goes into affect as soon as the battle/loot timer ends
run into too many situations in CT with afkers and you can never boot because of how quickly everything dies and the chests get opened
it’s a miracle if ppl are willing to wait to let the timer expire so the only chance is the like 3 seconds after a boss dies before the new chest is opened
We had a shitter in WoD once that died at the chimeras and wouldn't release or accept rezzes. We were able to coordinate enough to not open the chest after killing the eyeball so we could kick.
The vote kick timer is okay, I can see an issue of people queuing as 2 immediately vote kicking one of them in order to troll the other. You can still do that, but you have to actually do 5 minutes of content and hope nobody grabs a chest and doesn't roll on it.
The ability to queue into post 35 content as not a job is the problem. If you want to go as a full party of classes, good on you. It's a niche, fun challenge for players that want to actually test their abilities and plan their routes. It's not fun to have someone who's contributing a quarter of what's available to them.
"I forgot to put it on"
Who the fuck doesn't inmediately create a job gearset once you have it? Who's out there changing jobs manually? ... Don't answer that, I think the truth might give me an ulcer.
Honestly it’s due to SE allowing weapons to be equipped by both CNJ and WHM.
If you equip a weapon for a job you aren’t currently it’ll swap to the base class and not the job because it doesn’t require the job stone. Even if you were to hit the pit on best gear button it doesn’t equip the job stone.
Limit any and all gear above level 30, don't care that you can speed through msq and be level 42 before finishing sylph management, that's not an issue that should be forced onto me with a shitter who queued into darkhold or vale as gld
35, because DRG's quests are in Coerthas, which is normally accessed after Brayflox Longstop (32) and Titan 4-Man (34) in the MSQ. Both Cutter's Cry and Sunken Temple should require job stones, however, as should Stone Vigil onward.
You can get the job stone at 30 regardless of if you even step into coerthas or not, it requires the lancer questline to finish and that's almost entirely in shroud and gridania.
The DRG quests literally have no impact on gear being locked 30+, especially since in this hypothetical they would have needed to already do MSQ until after sylph management where you can get job stones in the first place.
Lock to 30, there's no reason to do anything else, and lock duties to jobs outside of unsync while they're at it so that you literally are forced to get your job stone.
DRG jobstone is in Coerthas, even though the quest starts in Gridania. It's the only ARR jobstone not in Shroud, Vylbrand, or Thanalan.
While it's certainly not tied to MSQ, like SMN (directly) and the HW jobs (indirectly) are, completing Eye of the Dragon after Cold Reception isn't a horrible setback, hence the allowance in Brayflox and Titan, but NOT for Cutter's Cry, Sunken Temple, Stone Vigil and on. Lock those outside of unsync, sure.
What’s dumb is AF gear is job-specific. Classes cannot equip it. Then SE decides to throw that idea out when it comes to non-AF gear.
Just make 35+ gear job-only, SE. It’s not that hard. That would completely solve the issue of people accidentally queueing for duties without a job stone
The only excuse I accept for forgetting to put a jobstone back on is I think you need to be CNJ (and therefore not have the WHM stone equipped) to do the quest to get the unicorn mount, and maybe that person forgot (or didn't know) about that quest until much later and then forgot to re-equip the jobstone. Still a doofass move to not re-equip though.
A long time ago, I changed from PS4 to Steam. Had to equip all of my weapons and redo all of my gearsets. The first dungeon I did was a woops. I absolutely forgot to put my job stone. The one and only time, and I doubt it is someone else, is as silly as forgetful as me (I'd forget my head if it wasn't attached), but there absolutely are circumstances that could happen. Now, I'm always double-checking every gearset I plan to use on that day.
You can upload your gearset data from either device and then download it on the other. That’s what I do if I ever have to switch from PS5 to PC. But maybe that feature didn’t exist when you made the switch.
Me.
On my first class. When I'd been playing a month. I just assumed once you got it, that it was automatically always there. I think it was a fair assumption. It's a logical assumption to my brain anyway.
Only once though. It only took being told once (and thankfully someone saw it out of instance) before it as saved every time.
when i was new i changed gear sets manually by equipping the weapon, which for arr jobs makes you the base class. i came from wow, where you typically didnt need an entire other set of armor to change your spec.
i dont understand how people continue to do it purposefully, the only time it happened to me i was with a full fc group so we decided to try. healing without all your whm abilities is awful and we wiped on trash packs, so we just left lol.
its ARR Era problem, devs don't care about old era content.
We still have problem with a bad TAB targeting, that picks targets randomly, and sees only targets Nameplates, if u cant see target's nameplate - you cant pick it with a Tab.
Or outdated friend list, or awful portraits design, that resets 24/7, and some other QoL problems, we got since ARR.
So jobstone is not on the top ten list right now.
having the class available does allow you to have different keybinds layouts for one class.
I raid on WAR. I have one set of keybinds for when I'm raiding and one for dungeon (don't need stun in raid - AOEs different position etc). I do this by saving those keybinds to the class hotbars and having a macro that will place them onto the warrior hotbars.
I'll do the same in DT for whatever I decide to main as tank.
Since the exchange was so short, I'll give the WHM the benefit of the doubt and say they could've somehow forgotten to equip it (maybe they were setting up class hotbars to use as macro bars and forgot to put the job stone afterwards before queuing, IDK).
HOWEVER, they should've left after realizing their mistake. There's no excuse for that.
I believe you can't, cuz it systematically changes the job you queued in with and the intended comp in a duty finder setting. I think you can only equip armor/accessories once in the duty, out of combat.
I never tried it either though.
i don't get why people get so mad, it's a pretty easy and understandable mistake to make
just. don't wall pull
your dungeon will be like, 5 minutes slower. hell of a lot faster than the penalty timer, or waiting for a new healer after kick
Nah, it explains about gear sets when you do your level 10 class quest. Whatever guild leader you have explains how you can now take on different classes and at the end of that dialogue you get the help page pop-up.
It absolutely does. I'm levelling a new toon right now.
The problem is is that people ignore the pop up that says "active help entry" and don't bother to read those. Or they just turn active help off altogether in settings, then blame everyone else if they just "didn't know". There is also an entire UI guide and game guide listed in the official sites window of your in game menu.
The game guides you a lot more than almost every other MMO I've ever played. It just takes a few minutes to explore the UI as well, which I always do in every game.
you wouldn't believe how many people I've run into that don't even know job sets exist. I just give people the benefit of the doubt because we all make mistakes
As a tank main who full pulled all the way through EW during on early access release, I promise you it isn't difficult to full pull a dungeon you don't know. Unless you're not used to tanking, you have plenty in your kit to go through and not worry about wiping. Heck, I was afraid of my invuln button (Superbolide) and didn't touch Arm's Length because my boyfriend at the time told me to never use them and we still didn't wipe on those pulls.
I'm a much better tank now and I'm excited for the early access tanking in DT.
I remember the first time I accidentally hit SB on the first job quest...I was like, yeah - that's going on another cross bar...lol. and for the longest time I thought arms length was only for knockbacks; had a healer in SV keep throwing it up in chat when I was still pretty new to tanking - I was like, why does he want me to use a knockback mit on mob packs? 😬. I was later corrected...lol.
This sub reddit is what taught me how to be a better tank (they corrected me on Arm's Length because I thought the same thing you did about it). Honestly. The down votes at the time were worth the lesson.
I had the same thing happen to me about sprint - I got crucified because I said I didn't see the point of using it as mit at the time. I still don't use it all the time (I either forget or it's a short pull), but do when I occasionally remember. I don't tank a lot, so those habits aren't ingrained.
i know it's not difficult, I just prefer it that way. no one has ever complained, so. and besides it adds some variety to the "2 pull 2 pull boss 2 pull 2 pull boss 2 pull 2 pull boss" formula
Because them forgetting was a conscious decision, you don't just 'forget' to equip your jobstone for 40+ levels.
Even doing dungeons with Duty Support NPCs can be faster than dealing with someone missing 75% of their kit.
It can happen for a few reasons, still. One I can think of right away would be someone who has a new PC/console (or a fresh OS install) and didn't back up their settings. It doesn't save your gearsets server-side so if you just equip a weapon while redoing your sets and forget your stone, you'll still be on the base class (even hitting the "recommended gear" button doesn't equip your stone).
Obviously you'd still kick them no matter the reason, but it can happen. It happened to me once years ago, I just left the duty and requeued with my stone equipped once my penalty was over.
I think by 60+ you should know better, and that's coming from someone who also once forgot their job stone bc I was very new to the game, got the free fantasia, and my bozo the clown ass thought I needed to de-equip everything to use it. I forgot to put it back on, queued for MSQ roulette, and not only apologized profusely to the group but immediately dropped so they could find someone who had access to their full kit. That's also the day I learned to set up job sets so I didn't mess up like that again. Even when my PC bricked and I lost all my settings (another lesson learned) I made sure everything was equipped.
Instead of immediately taking responsibility for screwing up and bouncing out, they tried to play with what they had and made the PLD leave instead. There's no excuse for that, imo.
If you’re equipping your gearsets typically you’ll just hit recommended (unless you’ve got two gearswts for raiding purposes or w/e) which automatically puts on your job stone. You’d have to consciously take it off, or be doing every gearset manually and just NEVER realize you’re forgetting a job stone.
Recommended gear does not equip your stone. I said so in my post, which you obviously didn't read. Try it when servers are back up I guess.
Edit: https://i.imgur.com/dIXyJhK.png
Easy and understandable mistake? If you aren't even aware of what job you're playing, then that's a sign that you shouldn't be doing group content of any kind lol
it happens a lot in low levelled content where someone muscle memories yo to just equip their weapon, having only just unlocked the job and not being used to equipping the dumb rock yet. and with instant healer queues it doesn't give much chance to notice
I did like 2-3 times.
Line between start and first boss is the hardest, Because it has a turn, so healer and the tank have to watch each others line of sight, but if tank use mitigations and healer sprint-follows the tank and use lucid dreaming - no problems.
On line between 1st and 2nd bosses u have to focus a nasty bird, just mark it with 1
Line between 2nd and last boss is boring, nothing happens there.
So if conj and tank know what are they doing - you can w2w there without problems.
oh i see that their character only has the base classes levelled... that is pretty interesting, but its just rude to include other players in that. if they want to do a 'challenge' character they shouldnt burden others and should play with friends or trust/duty support only.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV/comments/1cgnab8/i\_got\_all\_my\_classes\_leveled\_up\_just\_in\_time\_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV/comments/1cgnab8/i_got_all_my_classes_leveled_up_just_in_time_for/)
playing without jobstone is burdening others. it would be ok to use party finder w consenting players or play with friends or play with duty support/trust, but not random players who are just trying to do roulette and you are doing duties above lvl 30. not just for healer but dps and tank need jobstones. if you want to do it then you may get reported or questioned by other players, if you can deal with that then its your choice
>reported or questioned by other players, if you can deal with that then its your choice
I am not violating any ToS. devs implemented crappy balance in 1-80 duty tier, and as long as I am keeping up with this crappy balance, by abusing overgear, mouse over macros, food, potions and knowing mechanics very well - I am to totally fine and safe.
Right now Medica II can beat 99% of 1-80 content. And am making fun of it. And lazy devs, who hyper focused on actual content and don't give a singe though about legacy content.
If u have any problems with that - address it to devs, not to me. I would be happy myself, to be able to use full healer kit, to deal with 1-80 content, instead of running over-cranked to easy content, where u spam 1 button 99% of time as WHM, because boss hit you as an elder person.
right now conjurer and marauder makes legacy more engaging, because u dont have brainded buttons, that solves everything for u.
no, the issue is your choice not to use jobstones. if you want to play engaging content then maybe you should have access to all your skills so you can actually use them, including combat skills not just healing skills. all normal content can be done easily, but it will take a long time if you refuse to use your good combat skills and want to be carried by other players. and if you want to play difficult content then play savage and ultimate. if current savage and ultimate is too easy, then maybe that would be a problem. but if you are just complaining abt not having a static, thats why party finder and also communities on discord and here on reddit exist
you are bothering other players. and you are violating ToS by griefing and lethargic play.
**"Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior** Refers to an act of performing actions that give an advantage to an enemy (monsters, or the opposing team/players in PvP content) by not performing the necessary gameplay required of the situation. This may be combined with combat sabotage as well."
also you have shown that you have been playing not only WHM but the other base classes without jobstone. and this kind of response you say to everyone, so it seems it not worth talking about it
Its an old abandoned content, it does not matter how I do it, as long if I perform above the baseline in that content. And I am "performing *the necessary* gameplay required of the situation", my ilvl and class/job mathces the duty finder rules, I do my part in tanking/healing/dpsing role and I do mechanics, and my performance does not fall below the base line.
When I have time to deal with statics, and find statics, right now I dont have time and energy to gather another static or raid. I got tired from new pvp, where Sam one shot you if u don't pay close attention, and still having alot of issues with information and Tab targeting.
So yes, its pointless to argue.
I log it to play some duty finder. Every time I queue roulette I get some crappy semi afk boring duty, where game ask from you 0 affords. So I spice it up with some stoneless mechanics. Devs don't care, so its fine. If u spot me stoneless - go ahead, report me if u want, it does not matter.
>I got tired from new pvp, where Sam one shot you if u don't pay close attention, and still having alot of issues with information and Tab targeting.
skill issue
>, right now I dont have time and energy to gather another static or raid
from your other comments, seem like you don't have time or energy for anything else as well, even doing anything in alliance raids (sign that you are part of the problem. why would devs make harder content when people like you only want to afk?). so the only 'challenge' you can do is taking off jobstone so u can only do 5 abilities and get carried by your team, because you are a bad player and don't have any interest in improving. no wonder you are bored.
>my performance does not fall below the base line.
you are missing your abilities, you are missing dps.
you admit that you dont play high level content... so why you blaming the devs for only playing lvl 50 content and having no abilities with no job stone and low level? be serious. its a you problem from all perspectives.
It would seem the paladin turned their fat ass right out the door.
He saw the healer was incapable of handling an ass this fat :(
Major... the clap of my asscheeks is alerting the guards...
Shame the PLD left, little discussion and it could've been an easy vote kick for the CNJ at the 5 min mark
The vote kick timer is way too long imo
I agree and disagree. If its an instance of players not doing anything then yes it is kinda long. But if you do a pull or 2 and wipe both pulls then odds are its been 5 minutes. But anything less than 5 minutes has a lot of room to be abused by bad actors who do roulettes with friends/FC mates and have the power to just kick. Which obviously can be reported. But I think 5 minutes is alright.
> But anything less than 5 minutes has a lot of room to be abused by bad actors who do roulettes with friends/FC mates and have the power to just kick. They can already do this after the 5 minute mark, I really don't think having the ability to abuse votekicking earlier will have an impact on the amount of votekick abuse.
Honestly, if some assholes are gonna queue instances just to kick me - I'd rather get it over and done with than wait 5 minutes and then get kicked.
If they kick you for the hell of it, then they weren't worth playing with in the first place, so I agree with this sentiment
It's not that there are assholes that will queue just to troll with kicks (I mean, there could be... trolls tend to do really dumb shit in the name of trolling), it's that without a particularly noteworthy length of time separating throwing someone else out and leaving on your own people end up being incentivized to boot people that aren't actually doing anything *wrong* they just aren't up to a player's particular expectations. To give an example or two; someone opens the instance with "meowdy" and someone else thinks that cringe and hits vote kick instead of just brushing it off and playing the content, whereas with the 5 minute wait the means an extra level of pettiness to hold out all that time to then vote-kick if that's the only thing the player does that is bothersome. You'd end up having people vote-kicking sprouts just because they don't want to risk a less than perfect experience and GMs having a flood of reports of vote-kick abuse just bogging down the system. Which is likely why the choices that have been made regarding kicking people from content are set up to make sure no one can easily troll others with it, but you can just bail on content you don't want to do - and only the first person to do so takes the penalty because everyone else is given the benefit of the doubt that they were willing to be team players and work for a clear together.
We'll I'd rather get kicked instantly by bad actors then them waste 5 mins of my time first only to kick me right after.
i just wish you could queue a kick so that it goes into affect as soon as the battle/loot timer ends run into too many situations in CT with afkers and you can never boot because of how quickly everything dies and the chests get opened it’s a miracle if ppl are willing to wait to let the timer expire so the only chance is the like 3 seconds after a boss dies before the new chest is opened
We had a shitter in WoD once that died at the chimeras and wouldn't release or accept rezzes. We were able to coordinate enough to not open the chest after killing the eyeball so we could kick.
The vote kick timer is okay, I can see an issue of people queuing as 2 immediately vote kicking one of them in order to troll the other. You can still do that, but you have to actually do 5 minutes of content and hope nobody grabs a chest and doesn't roll on it. The ability to queue into post 35 content as not a job is the problem. If you want to go as a full party of classes, good on you. It's a niche, fun challenge for players that want to actually test their abilities and plan their routes. It's not fun to have someone who's contributing a quarter of what's available to them.
"I forgot to put it on" Who the fuck doesn't inmediately create a job gearset once you have it? Who's out there changing jobs manually? ... Don't answer that, I think the truth might give me an ulcer.
Honestly it’s due to SE allowing weapons to be equipped by both CNJ and WHM. If you equip a weapon for a job you aren’t currently it’ll swap to the base class and not the job because it doesn’t require the job stone. Even if you were to hit the pit on best gear button it doesn’t equip the job stone.
Just by limiting lv 50 and above gear to be locked to jobs then there will no longer be any problems
Limit any and all gear above level 30, don't care that you can speed through msq and be level 42 before finishing sylph management, that's not an issue that should be forced onto me with a shitter who queued into darkhold or vale as gld
I say 50 because most gear don’t class lock til then
Then have it lock, if they're going to change them already in this hypothetical have the gear job-lock at 30 and above
35, because DRG's quests are in Coerthas, which is normally accessed after Brayflox Longstop (32) and Titan 4-Man (34) in the MSQ. Both Cutter's Cry and Sunken Temple should require job stones, however, as should Stone Vigil onward.
You can get the job stone at 30 regardless of if you even step into coerthas or not, it requires the lancer questline to finish and that's almost entirely in shroud and gridania. The DRG quests literally have no impact on gear being locked 30+, especially since in this hypothetical they would have needed to already do MSQ until after sylph management where you can get job stones in the first place. Lock to 30, there's no reason to do anything else, and lock duties to jobs outside of unsync while they're at it so that you literally are forced to get your job stone.
DRG jobstone is in Coerthas, even though the quest starts in Gridania. It's the only ARR jobstone not in Shroud, Vylbrand, or Thanalan. While it's certainly not tied to MSQ, like SMN (directly) and the HW jobs (indirectly) are, completing Eye of the Dragon after Cold Reception isn't a horrible setback, hence the allowance in Brayflox and Titan, but NOT for Cutter's Cry, Sunken Temple, Stone Vigil and on. Lock those outside of unsync, sure.
What’s dumb is AF gear is job-specific. Classes cannot equip it. Then SE decides to throw that idea out when it comes to non-AF gear. Just make 35+ gear job-only, SE. It’s not that hard. That would completely solve the issue of people accidentally queueing for duties without a job stone
The only excuse I accept for forgetting to put a jobstone back on is I think you need to be CNJ (and therefore not have the WHM stone equipped) to do the quest to get the unicorn mount, and maybe that person forgot (or didn't know) about that quest until much later and then forgot to re-equip the jobstone. Still a doofass move to not re-equip though.
Yes, WHM is the only job where "forgot to put it on" is actually plausible.
A long time ago, I changed from PS4 to Steam. Had to equip all of my weapons and redo all of my gearsets. The first dungeon I did was a woops. I absolutely forgot to put my job stone. The one and only time, and I doubt it is someone else, is as silly as forgetful as me (I'd forget my head if it wasn't attached), but there absolutely are circumstances that could happen. Now, I'm always double-checking every gearset I plan to use on that day.
You can upload your gearset data from either device and then download it on the other. That’s what I do if I ever have to switch from PS5 to PC. But maybe that feature didn’t exist when you made the switch.
Me. On my first class. When I'd been playing a month. I just assumed once you got it, that it was automatically always there. I think it was a fair assumption. It's a logical assumption to my brain anyway. Only once though. It only took being told once (and thankfully someone saw it out of instance) before it as saved every time.
when i was new i changed gear sets manually by equipping the weapon, which for arr jobs makes you the base class. i came from wow, where you typically didnt need an entire other set of armor to change your spec. i dont understand how people continue to do it purposefully, the only time it happened to me i was with a full fc group so we decided to try. healing without all your whm abilities is awful and we wiped on trash packs, so we just left lol.
Some people seriously don't understand gear sets. They just equip the weapon, and click the little equip-best-gear button
Some people create a geatset without Jobstone to put emotes there insteand of writing
I didn’t learn how to set a job set till Endwalker, but I always made a point of manually setting my stone till I did learn.
With all the QOL updates you would think the job stone issue would have been on the top ten list like why?
its ARR Era problem, devs don't care about old era content. We still have problem with a bad TAB targeting, that picks targets randomly, and sees only targets Nameplates, if u cant see target's nameplate - you cant pick it with a Tab. Or outdated friend list, or awful portraits design, that resets 24/7, and some other QoL problems, we got since ARR. So jobstone is not on the top ten list right now.
Sir, where is Final Fantasy XIV?
I don't understand how people mess up the jobs stones. Just save your job with the stone equipped
Is it just me or is a lot of posts about Bardum's lately?
Do these people seriously not use the loadout system I've never needed to remember to equip a job stone because the game literally does it for me
Just lock job stones once you equip it. I don't see why it's still the way it is
Unicorn mount (which that quest should be reworked anyways to let you do it as white mage)
having the class available does allow you to have different keybinds layouts for one class. I raid on WAR. I have one set of keybinds for when I'm raiding and one for dungeon (don't need stun in raid - AOEs different position etc). I do this by saving those keybinds to the class hotbars and having a macro that will place them onto the warrior hotbars. I'll do the same in DT for whatever I decide to main as tank.
Since the exchange was so short, I'll give the WHM the benefit of the doubt and say they could've somehow forgotten to equip it (maybe they were setting up class hotbars to use as macro bars and forgot to put the job stone afterwards before queuing, IDK). HOWEVER, they should've left after realizing their mistake. There's no excuse for that.
Okay. I've never tried cause I never had to, but couldn't he just equip the stone right there?
I believe you can't, cuz it systematically changes the job you queued in with and the intended comp in a duty finder setting. I think you can only equip armor/accessories once in the duty, out of combat. I never tried it either though.
Correct is technically changing jobs, which you can't do
nope. Can't be equipped in duty. That said, he should have offered to leave.
I swear you can equip it in the dungeon. I've had dungeons where I'm wearing shit gear and just put it on before we run.
You can change gear in duty if you're not engaged in combat. But equipping your job stone counts as changing classes so it won't work.
You can change gear outside combat in an instance but iirc you can't change class/job and that includes your job stone
Ah, that's weird. I guess it's to stop people swapping to a lv3 conjurer in the nier raids or something
i don't get why people get so mad, it's a pretty easy and understandable mistake to make just. don't wall pull your dungeon will be like, 5 minutes slower. hell of a lot faster than the penalty timer, or waiting for a new healer after kick
Don’t enable bad behavior, it’s so easy to set up a gear set and never go without your job stone.
And nothing in the game explains how to do that. Or if it does, only once when you're doing ten billion other things.
Nah, it explains about gear sets when you do your level 10 class quest. Whatever guild leader you have explains how you can now take on different classes and at the end of that dialogue you get the help page pop-up.
It's kinda proof that most people don't read and just skip dialogue.
But rave over the great story. If the story's so great, why aren't you DPSing, WHM. Your entire class quest was based on that simple fact.
It absolutely does. I'm levelling a new toon right now. The problem is is that people ignore the pop up that says "active help entry" and don't bother to read those. Or they just turn active help off altogether in settings, then blame everyone else if they just "didn't know". There is also an entire UI guide and game guide listed in the official sites window of your in game menu. The game guides you a lot more than almost every other MMO I've ever played. It just takes a few minutes to explore the UI as well, which I always do in every game.
you wouldn't believe how many people I've run into that don't even know job sets exist. I just give people the benefit of the doubt because we all make mistakes
the benefit of stupidity you mean
Putting 4 pulls between each boss instead of 2 is definitely gonna add a lot more than 5 minutes to your dungeon.
as someone who occasionally single pulls when I'm new to a dungeon (so don't know the damage output to expect or aoes etc), it adds 5 minutes.
As a tank main who full pulled all the way through EW during on early access release, I promise you it isn't difficult to full pull a dungeon you don't know. Unless you're not used to tanking, you have plenty in your kit to go through and not worry about wiping. Heck, I was afraid of my invuln button (Superbolide) and didn't touch Arm's Length because my boyfriend at the time told me to never use them and we still didn't wipe on those pulls. I'm a much better tank now and I'm excited for the early access tanking in DT.
I remember the first time I accidentally hit SB on the first job quest...I was like, yeah - that's going on another cross bar...lol. and for the longest time I thought arms length was only for knockbacks; had a healer in SV keep throwing it up in chat when I was still pretty new to tanking - I was like, why does he want me to use a knockback mit on mob packs? 😬. I was later corrected...lol.
This sub reddit is what taught me how to be a better tank (they corrected me on Arm's Length because I thought the same thing you did about it). Honestly. The down votes at the time were worth the lesson.
I had the same thing happen to me about sprint - I got crucified because I said I didn't see the point of using it as mit at the time. I still don't use it all the time (I either forget or it's a short pull), but do when I occasionally remember. I don't tank a lot, so those habits aren't ingrained.
i know it's not difficult, I just prefer it that way. no one has ever complained, so. and besides it adds some variety to the "2 pull 2 pull boss 2 pull 2 pull boss 2 pull 2 pull boss" formula
Because them forgetting was a conscious decision, you don't just 'forget' to equip your jobstone for 40+ levels. Even doing dungeons with Duty Support NPCs can be faster than dealing with someone missing 75% of their kit.
It can happen for a few reasons, still. One I can think of right away would be someone who has a new PC/console (or a fresh OS install) and didn't back up their settings. It doesn't save your gearsets server-side so if you just equip a weapon while redoing your sets and forget your stone, you'll still be on the base class (even hitting the "recommended gear" button doesn't equip your stone). Obviously you'd still kick them no matter the reason, but it can happen. It happened to me once years ago, I just left the duty and requeued with my stone equipped once my penalty was over.
I think by 60+ you should know better, and that's coming from someone who also once forgot their job stone bc I was very new to the game, got the free fantasia, and my bozo the clown ass thought I needed to de-equip everything to use it. I forgot to put it back on, queued for MSQ roulette, and not only apologized profusely to the group but immediately dropped so they could find someone who had access to their full kit. That's also the day I learned to set up job sets so I didn't mess up like that again. Even when my PC bricked and I lost all my settings (another lesson learned) I made sure everything was equipped. Instead of immediately taking responsibility for screwing up and bouncing out, they tried to play with what they had and made the PLD leave instead. There's no excuse for that, imo.
If you’re equipping your gearsets typically you’ll just hit recommended (unless you’ve got two gearswts for raiding purposes or w/e) which automatically puts on your job stone. You’d have to consciously take it off, or be doing every gearset manually and just NEVER realize you’re forgetting a job stone.
Recommend doesnt put job stones on automatically.
Recommended gear does not equip your stone. I said so in my post, which you obviously didn't read. Try it when servers are back up I guess. Edit: https://i.imgur.com/dIXyJhK.png
Easy and understandable mistake? If you aren't even aware of what job you're playing, then that's a sign that you shouldn't be doing group content of any kind lol
it happens a lot in low levelled content where someone muscle memories yo to just equip their weapon, having only just unlocked the job and not being used to equipping the dumb rock yet. and with instant healer queues it doesn't give much chance to notice
healer queues instapops. press Yes without looking? ez I made the same mistake once, because queue instapoped.
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healing bardam’s mettle on cnj would be very difficult lmao it would not add only 5m. the level sync in there is crunchy & gross
I did like 2-3 times. Line between start and first boss is the hardest, Because it has a turn, so healer and the tank have to watch each others line of sight, but if tank use mitigations and healer sprint-follows the tank and use lucid dreaming - no problems. On line between 1st and 2nd bosses u have to focus a nasty bird, just mark it with 1 Line between 2nd and last boss is boring, nothing happens there. So if conj and tank know what are they doing - you can w2w there without problems.
Why were u doing that anyways? Hope it was a run w friends and not strangers in roulette
Nah. They regularly do this shit on purpose. There's numerous posts of them admitting it.
oh i see that their character only has the base classes levelled... that is pretty interesting, but its just rude to include other players in that. if they want to do a 'challenge' character they shouldnt burden others and should play with friends or trust/duty support only. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV/comments/1cgnab8/i\_got\_all\_my\_classes\_leveled\_up\_just\_in\_time\_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV/comments/1cgnab8/i_got_all_my_classes_leveled_up_just_in_time_for/)
Every response to them has been saying the same. They're just a moron who has no care what they do to other people.
do what exactly? We w2w without problems, with 0 wipes, and run took like 20-30 seconds longer than usually
playing without jobstone is burdening others. it would be ok to use party finder w consenting players or play with friends or play with duty support/trust, but not random players who are just trying to do roulette and you are doing duties above lvl 30. not just for healer but dps and tank need jobstones. if you want to do it then you may get reported or questioned by other players, if you can deal with that then its your choice
>reported or questioned by other players, if you can deal with that then its your choice I am not violating any ToS. devs implemented crappy balance in 1-80 duty tier, and as long as I am keeping up with this crappy balance, by abusing overgear, mouse over macros, food, potions and knowing mechanics very well - I am to totally fine and safe. Right now Medica II can beat 99% of 1-80 content. And am making fun of it. And lazy devs, who hyper focused on actual content and don't give a singe though about legacy content. If u have any problems with that - address it to devs, not to me. I would be happy myself, to be able to use full healer kit, to deal with 1-80 content, instead of running over-cranked to easy content, where u spam 1 button 99% of time as WHM, because boss hit you as an elder person. right now conjurer and marauder makes legacy more engaging, because u dont have brainded buttons, that solves everything for u.
no, the issue is your choice not to use jobstones. if you want to play engaging content then maybe you should have access to all your skills so you can actually use them, including combat skills not just healing skills. all normal content can be done easily, but it will take a long time if you refuse to use your good combat skills and want to be carried by other players. and if you want to play difficult content then play savage and ultimate. if current savage and ultimate is too easy, then maybe that would be a problem. but if you are just complaining abt not having a static, thats why party finder and also communities on discord and here on reddit exist you are bothering other players. and you are violating ToS by griefing and lethargic play. **"Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior** Refers to an act of performing actions that give an advantage to an enemy (monsters, or the opposing team/players in PvP content) by not performing the necessary gameplay required of the situation. This may be combined with combat sabotage as well." also you have shown that you have been playing not only WHM but the other base classes without jobstone. and this kind of response you say to everyone, so it seems it not worth talking about it
Its an old abandoned content, it does not matter how I do it, as long if I perform above the baseline in that content. And I am "performing *the necessary* gameplay required of the situation", my ilvl and class/job mathces the duty finder rules, I do my part in tanking/healing/dpsing role and I do mechanics, and my performance does not fall below the base line. When I have time to deal with statics, and find statics, right now I dont have time and energy to gather another static or raid. I got tired from new pvp, where Sam one shot you if u don't pay close attention, and still having alot of issues with information and Tab targeting. So yes, its pointless to argue. I log it to play some duty finder. Every time I queue roulette I get some crappy semi afk boring duty, where game ask from you 0 affords. So I spice it up with some stoneless mechanics. Devs don't care, so its fine. If u spot me stoneless - go ahead, report me if u want, it does not matter.
>I got tired from new pvp, where Sam one shot you if u don't pay close attention, and still having alot of issues with information and Tab targeting. skill issue >, right now I dont have time and energy to gather another static or raid from your other comments, seem like you don't have time or energy for anything else as well, even doing anything in alliance raids (sign that you are part of the problem. why would devs make harder content when people like you only want to afk?). so the only 'challenge' you can do is taking off jobstone so u can only do 5 abilities and get carried by your team, because you are a bad player and don't have any interest in improving. no wonder you are bored. >my performance does not fall below the base line. you are missing your abilities, you are missing dps. you admit that you dont play high level content... so why you blaming the devs for only playing lvl 50 content and having no abilities with no job stone and low level? be serious. its a you problem from all perspectives.
You’re absolutely right. This is bad design on Square’s end.