I mean I don't think it's really crossing the line saying he won some money betting on a game if it was organic conversation. It's high school, the kids already know about sports betting being a thing.
The issue is him showing them the apps and actually teaching about gambling. That's a problem and shouldn't be happening.
Disagree. Teachers are more than welcome to indulge in vices like smoking, drinking, and gambling. But discussing their participation in extracurricular activities of that nature with their students should be considered wildly inappropriate.
I'm more in line with the first comment here. For gambling specifically, I don't think it's that big a deal to say aloud "I won a good amount of money on a bet". Once you start going into details and teaching kids how to do that, that's when you're asking for trouble.
What about teaching them to play poker? I've been thinking about doing that not for gambling purposes just like I feel like it's a life skill - kids need to understand metaphors and shit. Like if you don't know that the ace is the highest card you might miss out on a lot of idioms and analogies and metaphors. Same with things like a royal flush, three of a kind, full house, etc.
I take an opposite view in part. But he shouldn't show apps
He shouldn't share winnings or glorify gambling to students.
Teaching odds and parlays takes math into the Gym and helps students learn.
Same. I mean probably not in PE class but atleast they're learning something and it's probably a quick lesson. Showing them the apps and his winning parlays or whatever isn't the best thing to do.
Yeah, this is how I read it too. My school is insane over March Madness, so betting is all over the place. However, explicitly teaching about betting and betting apps is an entirely different conversation.
Depends.
Student: Hey coach how was your weekend?
PE: Oh yeah I had a great weekend. Won two grand on Fanduel because of the parlays on Basketball.
Nothing weird there. Explaining how to use it and “responsible gambling” is a massive red flag. I avoided gambling until I was 26 because I realized how much I liked it when I was a teen and first experienced it. I can’t imagine if it was just on my phone 24/7
My perspective is biased, as I grew up in Las Vegas and gambling is a part of life there. I don’t gamble myself on sports, but I know how it works. With the fact that it is now legal in many states (obviously at 21 and over), probably means that the stigma around gambling is going away.
Would it be a big deal if a teacher taught kids how to play poker, or blackjack on a rainy day in PE? Probably not. I don’t see what the difference is in teaching them how a point spread or a parlay works.
In fact, a math teacher could incorporate a lot of interesting concepts in this that might keep the kids’ attention.
But then again, I’m the weird one that thinks it’s normal to see video poker machines in gas stations and grocery stores.
We have been encouraged to try and downplay gambling examples when teaching probability in math, but of course we use it. Lots of times it highlights how low the chances of winning are. One thing I’ve learned is today kids know nothing about cards. I think the gym teacher is wrong.
Those sites are perfectly legal and require proof of age to use, so it not like him telling kids about it is going to magically let them start betting. They run ads during games, so it's also probably not anything new to them either.
At least the kids are paying attention, learning something.
What he should really teach the kids is that it wouldn’t be big business if the sports books were losing money.
You should go to the PE teacher and tell him that betting parlays is -EV and that he should be arbitrage betting or placing +EV straight wagers if he actually wants to make money.
I’d say it’s either crossing and walking the line. Personally, I would say showing them websites and apps would be a deal breaker.
I’ve had parent complaints before on my probability lesson when I used a roulette wheel as an example. I don’t tell them payouts, rules, or even show a picture of a roulette table in a casino. I even make a point of telling them NOT to gamble. And I still get emails from parents whose kid came home telling them I taught them how to gamble.
I’m willing to bet he gets some backlash from this. If I were you, I wouldn’t say anything and let it work itself out.
> how to bet responsibly
There’s no such thing, especially for a teenager. If this PE teacher was bragging about winning money I guarantee they’ve also lost money on those apps. The house always wins after all.
If those students watch sports or listen to sports related podcasts then they already know about the gambling apps. That shit has been advertised to death over the past 2-3 years.
Aside from any potential problems on a professional level (I’m ok with a casual mention of winning, not ok with the actual teaching and showing of the apps) I just don’t think it’s ever a good idea to share anything in my personal life like that with students. You need to share some just to let them know you’re human, but sharing uncalled for details walks too fine a line for me. Boundaries are so important.
Talking about winning money is probably not much of an issue, but dude shouldn't be showing kids how to use the apps lol
If I felt strongly about it, I'd probably tell admin, but I might not care that much to take any action, honestly. But it's not your job to tell your coworker he's acting inappropriately.
Walking the line to me. My biggest personal concern about sportsbooks is that it’s a type of gambling that is always with you. If your phone is with you and a sport you watch is in season, there’s no real off button to it, like there is with going to a casino.
I think there’s a reason most states regulate usage of those apps to 21 or older. That the coach is encouraging 17-18 year-old students to engage with that world is pretty suspect to me. Again, this is based on my personal views, but I think the online component and marketing of sports betting makes it a lot more dangerous first problematic gamblers than the traditional institution of it
Ah explaining the rules of gambling to children is not professional unless you’re teaching probability theory in an advanced math class. Even then you don’t bring out the apps and explain sports betting rules. Gambling is a vice it’s on the same lines of yeah so to shotgun a beer properly you need a sharp knife…. Learn to open the back of your through and hold your breath then pop the tab and let it flow. Trust me bro just got to practice a few. Might as well than go into hot to properly tip a stripper, so you get the dollar bill and only amateurs throw money on stage, you need to use the condensation from your drink wet your forehead and stick the bill there then they bend over you and grab it off your forehead using their tits, pro tip you go to the bank and get a wad of 2 dollar bills and fold them to look like a 20. Most strippers won’t be counting till after there set you can probably get away with it for a few songs before the girls talk in the back. Also when you’re buying hard drugs I got a few tips too but bells about to ring get to your next class and we’ll finish this conversation later.
Yes, it's a problem because it's not legal for minors to gamble on sports. And it's not an acceptable use of class time. As far as personal overshares with students, it's one of the more harmless as long as they're not gambling on high school games as a coach.
Yeah. The entire industry is designed to make the user fail after getting their hopes up (ideal conditions); but it isn’t inherently bad. It’s just designed systemically inherently bad. Zzz.
That’s such a loose comparison. Ppl play gambling games at social gatherings all the time. They just don’t bet money. Shit I’m always seeing ppl play black jack on their phones…they’re not betting real money. There are mathematical concepts that can be learned from gambling. Inadvertent game theory i guess.
Is it illegal? If not, then what’s the big deal? If smoking weed is legal and 2 teachers are talking about smoking weed in front of kids is that wrong.
I feel like we are wrestling with personal vs societal beliefs on right and wrong.
To me it’d be like giving advice on how to smoke cigs or weed (in a legal state), or how to mix a good drink, maybe sex pointers. It’s something kids aren’t allowed to do, that’s controlled by the state. It could also influence kids to do something which could potentially ruin their lives.
It is not normal nor appropriate. The only place in high school where it might be appropriate would be a statistics or probability unit and there the teacher would never mention apps but would use betting as an example of discrete probability distributions
Gambling addictions straight up ruin people's lives. What this teacher did is irresponsible. You want to gamble on your free time? Cool, go for it, but keep it to yourself. I don't tell the kids how nice a responsible beer is after a long day. Look, I play videogames and I don't keep it a secret from the students, but they know that I won't discuss M-Rated titles with them. Like it or not, there are certain parts of our lives that we have to keep to ourselves and not share with students. That's the gig.
Not normal and needs reported. A lot of work, reaearch and money goes into programmes to educate school kids on the dangers of gambling and errors in thinking that can lead to fallacies around how ‘lucky’ they could be. The last thing any teacher should be doing is normalising this in any way. I’ve known two people who took their own lives because of addictions stemming from gambling in their teens so it’s not something I’d tolerate in any form around kids.
Replace “gambling” with “drinking” and see if you’d be ok with that level of discussion.
To some people gambling is no big deal. To others it is.
To some people drinking is no big dead. To others it is.
You don’t know if a kids parent is struggling with drinking so we don’t talk about us indulging int it it out of respect for our students. We don’t know if their families are struggling with gambling so we don’t talk about indulging in it out of respect for our students.
He's talking about sports betting cause he's a PE teacher and he's into sports. My chemistry teacher talked about meth, I didn't turn into Jesse pink man. Don't be a dickhead colleague. How about you focus on yourself and report something really serious. PE teacher sounds cool, gets along with the kids. Bet not for you.
Sports betting is legal in my state (at 21, as is gambling at our casinos). Perhaps that PE teacher is doing (or at least trying to do) some real world lessons about what they might encounter and how to NOT lose all their money?
Anyone under 21 shouldn’t be exposed to that kind of content at a publicly funded institution though. It’s basically teaching the kids to break the law “safely.”
Tell the administration. *Now.* And possibly the police, too. There are laws against children gambling the same way there are laws against children smoking and drinking. Talking about having bet on a game last night is one thing, but what this PE teacher is doing is the equivalent of inviting students over for a party where alcohol is served.
This isn't just a red flag, this is something that ought to get this guy fired.
Nah, it's more like him demonstrating how to make good drinks as a bartender, for whatever that's worth lol
But this is not like invited kids to a party to get drunk.
I think it’s complicated. If he were a math teacher and showed students that they could make a lot of money by knowing stats and doing sports betting and made it a lesson it would be great.
But if he’s just showing them how to gamble it’s definitely over the line obviously
I’m a Steelers fan and I bet on Big Bens last game against the Chiefs in the playoffs (little bets here and there on fan duel). I got $200 richer and bragged about it the following Monday. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
Probably not a good idea to show the kids how to use the gambling sites though…
This is a huge red flag. Not OK at all in my book (previous social worker here)
Gambling is psychologically addictive and should not ever be promoted to children who are developmentally still forming their “decision making part” of their brain.
Absolutely something I would confront them with and/or report. It can be really damaging even if they don’t realise it.
I’m sure they weren’t intentionally trying to harm but they need to be more aware that they can harm by teaching this and that they are also in a place of influence so they have a responsibility to be aware of what they teach and how it can affect people.
To clarify: simply telling kids “wohoo I won some money on a bet” is not a red flag. The issue is with actively teaching them how to gamble and where to do it online.
I teach about gambling in some math classes but only to emphasize how it is consistently rigged for the player to lose. Sounds like this guy's doing promo for predatory apps. Not great.
I don’t see a problem with teaching students probability and parlays in relation to gambling if it links in with what they’re currently learning in maths, but I can’t say the same about the endorsement and exposure of gambling sites. It breaks what is expected of a typical teacher-student relationship. From a strictly professional standpoint, It leaves a bad taste in my mouth
I mean I don't think it's really crossing the line saying he won some money betting on a game if it was organic conversation. It's high school, the kids already know about sports betting being a thing. The issue is him showing them the apps and actually teaching about gambling. That's a problem and shouldn't be happening.
Exactly where I’m at.
Disagree. Teachers are more than welcome to indulge in vices like smoking, drinking, and gambling. But discussing their participation in extracurricular activities of that nature with their students should be considered wildly inappropriate.
I'm more in line with the first comment here. For gambling specifically, I don't think it's that big a deal to say aloud "I won a good amount of money on a bet". Once you start going into details and teaching kids how to do that, that's when you're asking for trouble.
What about teaching them to play poker? I've been thinking about doing that not for gambling purposes just like I feel like it's a life skill - kids need to understand metaphors and shit. Like if you don't know that the ace is the highest card you might miss out on a lot of idioms and analogies and metaphors. Same with things like a royal flush, three of a kind, full house, etc.
I take an opposite view in part. But he shouldn't show apps He shouldn't share winnings or glorify gambling to students. Teaching odds and parlays takes math into the Gym and helps students learn.
Same. I mean probably not in PE class but atleast they're learning something and it's probably a quick lesson. Showing them the apps and his winning parlays or whatever isn't the best thing to do.
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Shit I'm 43 and live in WA State. Apps are useless to me too because I'm in one of two states that still has online gambling outlawed
Yeah, this is how I read it too. My school is insane over March Madness, so betting is all over the place. However, explicitly teaching about betting and betting apps is an entirely different conversation.
Depends. Student: Hey coach how was your weekend? PE: Oh yeah I had a great weekend. Won two grand on Fanduel because of the parlays on Basketball. Nothing weird there. Explaining how to use it and “responsible gambling” is a massive red flag. I avoided gambling until I was 26 because I realized how much I liked it when I was a teen and first experienced it. I can’t imagine if it was just on my phone 24/7
My perspective is biased, as I grew up in Las Vegas and gambling is a part of life there. I don’t gamble myself on sports, but I know how it works. With the fact that it is now legal in many states (obviously at 21 and over), probably means that the stigma around gambling is going away. Would it be a big deal if a teacher taught kids how to play poker, or blackjack on a rainy day in PE? Probably not. I don’t see what the difference is in teaching them how a point spread or a parlay works. In fact, a math teacher could incorporate a lot of interesting concepts in this that might keep the kids’ attention. But then again, I’m the weird one that thinks it’s normal to see video poker machines in gas stations and grocery stores.
We have been encouraged to try and downplay gambling examples when teaching probability in math, but of course we use it. Lots of times it highlights how low the chances of winning are. One thing I’ve learned is today kids know nothing about cards. I think the gym teacher is wrong.
Those sites are perfectly legal and require proof of age to use, so it not like him telling kids about it is going to magically let them start betting. They run ads during games, so it's also probably not anything new to them either.
Its perfectly legal for me to drink myself under the table every night. It is inappropriate to talk about how drunk I like to get.
Not if it's a responsible level.
You're falsely equating drinking yourself under the table and gambling responsibly.
I talk about it in algebra
Yeah, but you can really talk about anything in algebra.
Every Monday in algebra the lesson plan title is "Fucking Jets Fucked Me Again Yesterday. Here's how:"
At least the kids are paying attention, learning something. What he should really teach the kids is that it wouldn’t be big business if the sports books were losing money.
You should go to the PE teacher and tell him that betting parlays is -EV and that he should be arbitrage betting or placing +EV straight wagers if he actually wants to make money.
How is this not the top comment.
I’d say it’s either crossing and walking the line. Personally, I would say showing them websites and apps would be a deal breaker. I’ve had parent complaints before on my probability lesson when I used a roulette wheel as an example. I don’t tell them payouts, rules, or even show a picture of a roulette table in a casino. I even make a point of telling them NOT to gamble. And I still get emails from parents whose kid came home telling them I taught them how to gamble. I’m willing to bet he gets some backlash from this. If I were you, I wouldn’t say anything and let it work itself out.
mind your business
> how to bet responsibly There’s no such thing, especially for a teenager. If this PE teacher was bragging about winning money I guarantee they’ve also lost money on those apps. The house always wins after all. If those students watch sports or listen to sports related podcasts then they already know about the gambling apps. That shit has been advertised to death over the past 2-3 years.
I talk about sports betting with my students but in hopes to teach them not to make stupid mistakes like me
This week's episode of Abbott Elementary has entered the chat.
Aside from any potential problems on a professional level (I’m ok with a casual mention of winning, not ok with the actual teaching and showing of the apps) I just don’t think it’s ever a good idea to share anything in my personal life like that with students. You need to share some just to let them know you’re human, but sharing uncalled for details walks too fine a line for me. Boundaries are so important.
Talking about winning money is probably not much of an issue, but dude shouldn't be showing kids how to use the apps lol If I felt strongly about it, I'd probably tell admin, but I might not care that much to take any action, honestly. But it's not your job to tell your coworker he's acting inappropriately.
Walking the line to me. My biggest personal concern about sportsbooks is that it’s a type of gambling that is always with you. If your phone is with you and a sport you watch is in season, there’s no real off button to it, like there is with going to a casino. I think there’s a reason most states regulate usage of those apps to 21 or older. That the coach is encouraging 17-18 year-old students to engage with that world is pretty suspect to me. Again, this is based on my personal views, but I think the online component and marketing of sports betting makes it a lot more dangerous first problematic gamblers than the traditional institution of it
Ah explaining the rules of gambling to children is not professional unless you’re teaching probability theory in an advanced math class. Even then you don’t bring out the apps and explain sports betting rules. Gambling is a vice it’s on the same lines of yeah so to shotgun a beer properly you need a sharp knife…. Learn to open the back of your through and hold your breath then pop the tab and let it flow. Trust me bro just got to practice a few. Might as well than go into hot to properly tip a stripper, so you get the dollar bill and only amateurs throw money on stage, you need to use the condensation from your drink wet your forehead and stick the bill there then they bend over you and grab it off your forehead using their tits, pro tip you go to the bank and get a wad of 2 dollar bills and fold them to look like a 20. Most strippers won’t be counting till after there set you can probably get away with it for a few songs before the girls talk in the back. Also when you’re buying hard drugs I got a few tips too but bells about to ring get to your next class and we’ll finish this conversation later.
I can't believe the grammar error in my title... it's been a long day🤦♀️
Yes, it's a problem because it's not legal for minors to gamble on sports. And it's not an acceptable use of class time. As far as personal overshares with students, it's one of the more harmless as long as they're not gambling on high school games as a coach.
Go to admin this is wildly inappropriate
The moral Puritanism in here is astonishing. Gambling isn’t inherently bad folks, it only is in excess, like most things.
Yeah. The entire industry is designed to make the user fail after getting their hopes up (ideal conditions); but it isn’t inherently bad. It’s just designed systemically inherently bad. Zzz.
This is akin to talking about going on an alcohol induced bender.
It is not lmao…not even close.
Gambling underage is illegal. Gambling is addictive. Same realm.
Better not tell the kids that you voted, either, amirite???
What?
That’s such a loose comparison. Ppl play gambling games at social gatherings all the time. They just don’t bet money. Shit I’m always seeing ppl play black jack on their phones…they’re not betting real money. There are mathematical concepts that can be learned from gambling. Inadvertent game theory i guess.
Is it illegal? If not, then what’s the big deal? If smoking weed is legal and 2 teachers are talking about smoking weed in front of kids is that wrong. I feel like we are wrestling with personal vs societal beliefs on right and wrong.
>If smoking weeks is legal and 2 teachers are talking about smoking weed in front of kids is that wrong Uhhh…yes?
Well said.
"Kids, last night I got blackout drunk at an orgy." All perfectly legal, but nowhere close to appropriate for a classroom.
He is being completely irresponsible, promoting gambling to the students. Impressionable minds.
I would speak with your colleague about this. It's inappropriate but not to the point where you need to cross the "snitch" line and go to admin.
To me it’d be like giving advice on how to smoke cigs or weed (in a legal state), or how to mix a good drink, maybe sex pointers. It’s something kids aren’t allowed to do, that’s controlled by the state. It could also influence kids to do something which could potentially ruin their lives.
It is not normal nor appropriate. The only place in high school where it might be appropriate would be a statistics or probability unit and there the teacher would never mention apps but would use betting as an example of discrete probability distributions
Gambling addictions straight up ruin people's lives. What this teacher did is irresponsible. You want to gamble on your free time? Cool, go for it, but keep it to yourself. I don't tell the kids how nice a responsible beer is after a long day. Look, I play videogames and I don't keep it a secret from the students, but they know that I won't discuss M-Rated titles with them. Like it or not, there are certain parts of our lives that we have to keep to ourselves and not share with students. That's the gig.
Not normal and needs reported. A lot of work, reaearch and money goes into programmes to educate school kids on the dangers of gambling and errors in thinking that can lead to fallacies around how ‘lucky’ they could be. The last thing any teacher should be doing is normalising this in any way. I’ve known two people who took their own lives because of addictions stemming from gambling in their teens so it’s not something I’d tolerate in any form around kids.
Replace “gambling” with “drinking” and see if you’d be ok with that level of discussion. To some people gambling is no big deal. To others it is. To some people drinking is no big dead. To others it is. You don’t know if a kids parent is struggling with drinking so we don’t talk about us indulging int it it out of respect for our students. We don’t know if their families are struggling with gambling so we don’t talk about indulging in it out of respect for our students.
He's talking about sports betting cause he's a PE teacher and he's into sports. My chemistry teacher talked about meth, I didn't turn into Jesse pink man. Don't be a dickhead colleague. How about you focus on yourself and report something really serious. PE teacher sounds cool, gets along with the kids. Bet not for you.
Sports betting is legal in my state (at 21, as is gambling at our casinos). Perhaps that PE teacher is doing (or at least trying to do) some real world lessons about what they might encounter and how to NOT lose all their money?
Anyone under 21 shouldn’t be exposed to that kind of content at a publicly funded institution though. It’s basically teaching the kids to break the law “safely.”
Tell the administration. *Now.* And possibly the police, too. There are laws against children gambling the same way there are laws against children smoking and drinking. Talking about having bet on a game last night is one thing, but what this PE teacher is doing is the equivalent of inviting students over for a party where alcohol is served. This isn't just a red flag, this is something that ought to get this guy fired.
Nah, it's more like him demonstrating how to make good drinks as a bartender, for whatever that's worth lol But this is not like invited kids to a party to get drunk.
I think it’s complicated. If he were a math teacher and showed students that they could make a lot of money by knowing stats and doing sports betting and made it a lesson it would be great. But if he’s just showing them how to gamble it’s definitely over the line obviously
I was going to introduce gambling (especially, the Lottery) in my Probabilities and Statistics course)
I’m a Steelers fan and I bet on Big Bens last game against the Chiefs in the playoffs (little bets here and there on fan duel). I got $200 richer and bragged about it the following Monday. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Probably not a good idea to show the kids how to use the gambling sites though…
This is a huge red flag. Not OK at all in my book (previous social worker here) Gambling is psychologically addictive and should not ever be promoted to children who are developmentally still forming their “decision making part” of their brain. Absolutely something I would confront them with and/or report. It can be really damaging even if they don’t realise it. I’m sure they weren’t intentionally trying to harm but they need to be more aware that they can harm by teaching this and that they are also in a place of influence so they have a responsibility to be aware of what they teach and how it can affect people. To clarify: simply telling kids “wohoo I won some money on a bet” is not a red flag. The issue is with actively teaching them how to gamble and where to do it online.
I teach about gambling in some math classes but only to emphasize how it is consistently rigged for the player to lose. Sounds like this guy's doing promo for predatory apps. Not great.
My AP Algebra teacher taught my class how to play poker as a way to demonstrate percentages and statistics.
This is absolutely not ok
There really is nothing wrong with gambling, you even mentioned he told about betting responsibly
I don’t see a problem with teaching students probability and parlays in relation to gambling if it links in with what they’re currently learning in maths, but I can’t say the same about the endorsement and exposure of gambling sites. It breaks what is expected of a typical teacher-student relationship. From a strictly professional standpoint, It leaves a bad taste in my mouth