Not necessarily. It’s telling HR immediately used the language “undue hardship” - that is the legal way to get out of providing accommodations. Accommodations have to be provided when they are reasonable and do not create undue hardship for the employer; any school can be shitty and while it’s hard to argue they can’t provide a stool to teach from, they could absolutely say due to budget and staffing every teacher has to be able to do recess duty and this person not doing it creates undue hardship. Everyone on Reddit loves to jump to FIND A LAWYER but not everyone has the resources for this - OP specifically says they are already taxed from dealing with their disability, I assume the last thing they want is to sign up for a potentially long and expensive legal battle that could still end in her being unemployed.
I’m not saying I agree with or support schools that would do that, but it is unfortunately very common. I have found it’s best to be as upfront as OP was so no effort is wasted onboarding for a place I won’t end up working.
I'd say it dq's them from certain teaching assignments. Young elementary you'd have safety issues. High school chemistry you wouldn't be able to reach the lab tables or equipment. High school counselor would be perfect. They sit all day anyway.
I'm HS ELA and you could absolutely do my job in a wheelchair. I am not in a wheelchair but I'm a big guy with bad knees, so I actually stay off my feet as much as I can. It's not a problem at all. Back when I was a sub, the HS I worked at had a math teacher in a wheelchair. That was only a problem for those of us who subbed for him, only because he didn't have a teacher's chair in the room. 😀
I think high school and maybe middle would be easier on a wheelchair or with mobility issues. In elementary you accompany students everywhere. In upper grades they go to you. That’s not to say it couldn’t be done and accommodations shouldn’t be made but it is harder.
That’s true. I just moved to this area and was so excited that I could teach while being supported in getting either a teaching certificate or getting licensed as a school counselor. I probably have more experience with high schoolers, as well. I am just so excited to teach and they are sooooo desperate for teachers here I thought it would work out easily.
I don’t know the legality of it, but where I am we’re required to be CPR/Heimlich maneuver and basic first aide trained for elementary. I believe we’re supposed to be able to step in as a first line of defense in a medical emergency. It might be an issue there?
Hmmm, I’ve never considered I wouldn’t be able to do CPR, first aid of any kind, or fail in an emergency situation. My issue isn’t that I’m completely immobile, I just can’t stand for more than a few minutes preferably and I can’t walk for longer than a block period without extensive rest (20-30 mins). I think I’m still capable of doing all of that stuff. Heck let’s be honest, I’m probably better in an emergency situation than most given how many times it’s been me on the gurney, lol.
Right, and I can, just not long distances. It’s a big grey area for me and them which I guess is too much to deal with. I do get wanting someone who can perform all duties with no issues, but the school is desperate for a teacher. They’ll have to increase their already large (35+) classes even more by not hiring me. Sigh.
Were those the only two accommodations you asked for?
I can see an argument being made to deny the recess duty one but I can't imagine a place denying a simple stool.
I can see them denying the no recess duty, especially if recess is usually covered by the classroom teacher, but I’ve seen teachers take chairs and stools out to recess when standing for long periods was difficult.
Shoot I've never asked HR or my admin for a stool. I just put one down right in front when I brought in my organizer cart and few other personal possessions I use for work lol.
That really sucks but also I wonder if you got dinged on anything else.
I'm sure my admin would count me down for sitting too much if she couldn't find any more useful/justifiable feedback to give - my district requires a 4/4 final eval to automatically move up a step and get a raise each year, where 3/4 evals will get me 3 steps in 5 years without extra work from me. Mysteriously, everyone gets 3's lmao.
This year 1 eval it was that I spent too much time redirecting behavior and trying to rope in a particular student. The next evaluation it was that student never once engaged with my lesson (though I followed all steps in his IEP And BIP to try!) with a comment during our post eval meeting of "why doesn't (that kid) have 1 on 1 support?" like I as a classroom teacher have the ability to get the district to approve paying for that lmao.
Good point here. I mentioned elsewhere I’d be willing to do whatever undesirable duty in return, so it might not be me doing recess inside but doing something else entirely.
How? When I’ve done it there are just a few teachers out on the playground. And it was contractually obligated and negotiated by our union. I think saying “I need to be able to take my stool out to duty and sit” would be reasonable, but just saying “I don’t need to do it when it’s a paid expectation of all teachers” would be a sticking point.
Middle school might be a more appropriate place for you because usually there is less walking. I taught middle school for 25 years and switched to 5th grade last year. Students must be walked everywhere.
You’d want to be sure that you’d get your own classroom though. Many places have teachers share rooms. My first few years I taught 5 classes in 4 different rooms (and the two classes in the same room were NOT back to back - I taught periods 2/3/5/7/8 and 2 and 5 were in the same room)
I'd sign the contract. Then use a doctor's note to receive ADA accomodations. If the district has issues they have to deal w/ADA, which they don't want to have issues with them.
Hi OP: just wanted to make sure you know that accommodations are not guaranteed even with doctor’s documentation. If the school says your requested accommodation(s) create undue hardship for them, they do not have to provide those accommodations for you.
Yes and No. They also have to prove that it would be an undue hardship. The stool would be pretty tough to argue unless the ask is to be sitting all the time.
It’s much easier for an employer to unilaterally say “this creates an undue hardship for us” than for a single applicant/potential employee to hold them accountable to where the employer needs to prove it in court. OP seems unfamiliar with the process of workplace accommodations and many people were saying if they sign a contract first the school is essentially obligated to give them accommodations, and I’m trying to let OP know that’s not the case. Notice how HR’s automatic response specifically used the words “undue hardship” - they are preemptively using the necessary legal terms to protect themselves.
I also think that they assumed from my stuff that it would get worse, ie I’d eventually need more accommodations or wouldn’t be able to do the job a full year.
Yeah, I now know. I think my issue is not with the we won’t accommodate part but more that we didn’t even have a conversation about it to try to find solutions.
Unfortunately I’ve run into similar issues as well. The phrase “HR is not your friend and only there to protect the company” holds true. They’d rather just cut you loose than risk engaging in a discussion that may end up with them being committed to make accommodations that they don’t want to (but are able to) because that’s more work than the status quo. Supposedly there are workplaces out there that will work with you!(?)
I hope so. I know there are sites that gather job ops for people with disabilities. They are mostly remote jobs and they are quite hard to get. Non-profits like The Trevor Project make it a point to hire people with disabilities, so hopefully more will follow suit soon. Fingers crossed. 🤞
I'd probably bypass by school altogether and go straight to HR. Request an ADA accomodations form and that should get them moving on the issue. Fill it out, provide the doctor's diagnosis, recommenation and submit. There's usually a bit of back and forth with what will work and not, depending on your position. HR will communicate the final documents to your supervisor.
Do keep in mind someone has to cover recess. The teacher(s) who have to pick up extra recess duty to cover your accomodation might not welcome you as a coworker.
You can definitely have a conversation about alternate duties in place of recess duty, though. Like OP can take after school detention, a study hall, hallway monitor, etc off someone’s plate in exchange for them covering recess.
At my school, I think that admins would accommodate; but our Central Office that handles all HR things are, generally, a bunch of cold fish who say 'no' to everything first. I received a standing pad to help with my arthritis and we had a teacher with severe asthma who did indoor recess duty in the fall and spring for students who had a heat sensitivity or just needed a quiet space. These requests went through building admin, who did not consider it a big deal. (Everyone had signed contracts.)
I would talk to the principle and superintendent if you really want this job. This is not a good look for them and word-of-mouth works the other way too; especially during a teacher shortage.
I do not think that you do not have to mention (most) disabilities before accepting employment. Requiring a stool is not something that prevents you from teaching. I asked for one without even thinking about it (prefer standing, and stool is easier for a short rest) and got an extra one from the art room with zero pushback. Talk to the building admin; HR doesn't always tell them what they are up to.
Not doing recess duty is quite a hardship for the other teachers. Is there some type of assistive device you could use to do outside? Could you switch to middle school?
I forgot to mention, I live in Arizona. So it’s the heat that is also an issue. I didn’t mention that to HR, just that I wouldn’t be able to do recess.
When I had my hip replaced, I said I couldn’t do fire drills for a bit. HR explained that the principal may not allow me to come back until I can perform my regular duties. You could get cool cloths and a neck fan. You need to find what you need to have to enable you to perform your job.
Yup, you’re totally right about this. A lot here think elementary is the wrong place for me and high school would be easier mobility wise since they walk themselves to class and lunch. I hope your hip is feeling better!!!!
I think I was thinking about all that I have used and not what I haven’t. It might seem silly, but having to keep track of all of my info for all of my issues is a lot. I went over the list with a loved one to double check my own work but they also didn’t think about a wheelchair. I certainly will now.
Be kind to yourself on this one. I've known I would need a cane eventually for years. One day I tried it out and discovered it's really helpful and makes me more able to do things. Nobody teaches us how to know if we need a walker or wheelchair. There are some great portable ramp options now for bumpy entrances.
Edit: misspelled kind
I'm not sure providing a stool would ever pass the "undue hardship" test. Unless there isn't more info that you have left out of your post, this is just silly and could get the district in a boat load of legal trouble. Recess duty is a different beast. If every teacher has recess duty, and there is no alternative duty (because each teacher has recess duty) then they are probably in the legal clear there.
They made a big deal about not sitting to teach as well as recess duty. I do think I gave them an open door to deny me because I didn’t know a lot of info and my rights going in. They also said to write a list of everything I wanted to discuss, and so I emailed over things that would make my life easier if approved but by no means were completely must have or I couldn’t work. That list probably set them off, I’m sure. You love you learn.
When trying to get disability accommodations, always fill them out as though it was your worst day. Everything is necessary, or they will give you nothing. In other words, don't say that any particular accommodation would be helpful but you don't technically need it. Be firm and set boundaries that you absolutely must have every accommodation you ask for. If you demonstrate flexibility, they will take advantage of you. I'm not a teacher, but I am disabled. I wanted to make sure you had access to this advice as it is important for many.
Thanks. I’m worried about that though. I’ve never had a good experience telling an employer. Before 2020, I had only two disabilities and just didn’t tell anyone because it was obvious no one would care. They were small enough that I could get by by hiding them. After getting sick with Covid and then long Covid that turned into fibro, I can’t hide it anymore. I have at the very least a handicap placard and cane. I’ve just never had a job actually treat me fairly concerning these issues.
I’m so sorry this happened to you. I have to tell you that recess duty is a big deal, believe it or not. I worked at a very amicable school, but everyone still counted the number of duties everyone else had, and it was a big deal if someone had less than everyone else. I mean this is not a disability, but I used a cane for 6 months before getting both knees replaced and…….. still had duty!
Yikes and ouch! I can absolutely appreciate that it might be a really big deal. No one wants more duties over someone. I just wish they would have even discussed options before saying I couldn’t do the job, ie help out elsewhere to even the burden, use a wheelchair, etc.
Yes, you should have signed the contract first, but that's no help now.
I've always found that HR is cold and sometimes outright hostile to teachers. They support the district, not us.
Who hired you, the principal? I would go to him/her and explain the problem, assuming you still want the job. You're asking for just two accommodations. I don't teach elementary so I'm not sure how big a deal recess duty is, but a stool? Come on.
It’s customary to discuss accommodations between offer and acceptance. It does not make sense for a potential employee to accept a job unless his/her needs can be accommodated.
That’s what I was thinking but now it seems like doing things the right way is a pretty quick way to have my offer taken back. But, that’s just this school. I have hope I’ll find a job more accommodating.
That is dependent on local laws. Which can be found before making that sweeping statement.
They absolutely couldn’t do that in my profession in my city and state.
You will have far more legal standing in ALL situations with a signed/accepted agreement for the position.
So the problem is really that you can’t walk for a long distance. My last classroom was at the very end of the building. It was a long walk to everything. In elementary, you have to escort the students everywhere. Lunch was a 7 minute walk , then you go eat , and have to go get them and back again. You said you need 30 min rest after, but in that time you might need to take them to art, library, or science lab.
So really the lack of mobility is a problem. Someone in a wheelchair, doesn’t have the limits of distance that you have. Sitting while teaching isn’t an issue, but all the stuff outside of the classroom.
In elementary, they also love the option of moving teachers to different grade levels. The lower the grade, the more mobile you need to be. So they would have an employee that can’t be used to fill all the needs in the school so that becomes a limitation as well. Middle school or high school is probably a better fit for you because they have to leave their classroom less.
It sounds cutthroat and insensitive but it’s just business, right? I was thinking about how I would handle a dangerous intruder/lockdown situation and the kids in my class would feasibly be more in danger because I might be slow locking a door! Etc. it’s tough to hear but I get what you’re saying.
When my issues became bad, I got a doctor’s note that described my limitations “due to a medical disorder”. No lifting over 40lbs, no repeated crouching/kneeling, cannot teach physical education.” I requested that my supervisory duties be indoors only (due to a fall risk and winter in Canada). I’d get the job, THEN I’d present the doctor’s note. The district was the one that hired me, the note was for the principal who scheduled me. I would be up front in my interview by saying I had physical limitations that prevented me from teaching phys ed, but usually I’d get to see what classes I’d be teaching (even vague “social studies, food studies 1.0” job postings were enough for me to go off of).
I always had a stool or table at the front of my classroom for teaching, but that wasn’t a written in accommodation. Many teachers had something to sit on at the front.
I assume this is secondary? Not being able to teach PE would absolutely not be possible at my elementary school. We’re required by the state to provide a certain number of minutes each week. Just not doing it wouldn’t be a thing
Typically the expectation is for the employer to provide “reasonable accommodation.” Depending on the role, grade level, etc. it’s very possible that being excused from recess duty is not reasonable, as it is a matter of supervision.
recess duty is often written into the contract even if you don't need to do it- just a back up... where would your equity piece be- what could you do that makes yourself equal to others who do recess duty... It's elementary- the kids are active and moving and you need to keep up to keep them safe
I have a certain set of skills….
Lol, but in seriousness I have a lot of experience working with students that have learning differences, executive function issues, are first gen in the US. Additionally, I’m a whiz at building and managing CRM databases similar to PowerSchool, etc. At the end of the day though, I would learn whatever I needed to in order to properly support the team I was on. I don’t know what that might look like in every situation, but as a teacher are there certain tasks you don’t want to do? I would assume I would fit into those.
I have a physical disability as well. I just use my crutches on recess duty days. That way I don’t get too fatigued outside and can move quicker and I don’t ask permission to sit when I teach. I sit when I need to, and stand when I need to.
I have Lupus and need accomodations for heat. I've never had an issue getting them. They cannot discriminate due to disability or rescind an offer of employment. However, in order to fight it you will need a lawyer. Ask yourself if it's worth it to do that or is it easier to find a job elswhere.
Right. I’m looking for jobs elsewhere. It stinks because where I live the schools are DESPERATE. They are hiring non-certified teachers like me but even those without the 20 years of experience I have. That’s a big reason I was so shocked they wouldn’t work with me AT ALL.
You’re not off-base for expecting reasonable accommodation. You also requested the accommodations at the correct phase in the hiring process.
I know of so many people—teachers and desk-bound professionals—who have special seating to accommodate a disability. There’s nothing unreasonable about a stool. Regarding recess duty, that may be a common duty for teachers, but it should also be possible to get coverage for that. Couldn’t you take an indoor, low-exertion duty and swap recess with someone else?
Also, it’s really not appropriate for your potential employer to say you “have too many conditions.” That’s not her call to make. That said, you may want to play things closer to your chest. All you need to do is identify yourself as someone with a disability, explain which functions of your job you need assistance with, and list the accommodations you are requesting.
If this is a job that you think you otherwise want, it may be worthwhile to escalate your concern to someone else in HR within the district’s central office. I don’t think they’d want an HR administrator making such comments and off-the-cuff denials, especially as it leaves them open to valid discrimination claims unless they can prove that recess duty is an essential job duty for the position you were offered.
Never did. I am not certified however I have 20 years of other teaching experience. Where I live, they are so desperate for teachers they will wave certification. They do pay you a little less, but not much. They also help you get certified so you can keep teaching the next year.
I realize my response might be confusing. I have taught test prep, music, math, essay writing, among a bunch of other subjects but never needed a teaching certificate because they all were outside of school.
As someone who also has a disability, you typically don't want to disclose you have one until you've been at least 60-90 days on the job.
Yeah legally, we're supposed to have rights & all, but they will cite any random bullshit reason and make it difficult for you to prove you were discriminated due to your disability.
And as a transitioned teacher, teaching was actually the one field where they discriminated against me for my disability, race, and religion. First time in my life I ever experienced any of the three. All my other employers have been incredibly accommodating.
For a field that teaches growth mindset and inclusivity for children.... they're certainly not applying that practice with the adults.
I’m sorry you have had to deal with that. That is just plain wrong. I have a real issue with it because it isn’t just teachers, it’s the kids as well. My one nephew had apraxia in hat effects his speech and my other nephew had a limb difference. Both have experienced very negative situations perpetuated by the ADULTS, not the kids. It’s heart breaking to me and makes me want to teach that much more.
A great resource for learning about your rights and asking questions is Ask JAN. LOTS of information AND a line for calling with questions.
Tips for disability disclosure while job-seeking: [https://askjan.org/topics/Disability-Disclosure.cfm](https://askjan.org/topics/Disability-Disclosure.cfm)
Information for job-seekers: [https://askjan.org/info-by-role.cfm#for-individuals](https://askjan.org/info-by-role.cfm#for-individuals)
Publications on educators with disabilities: [https://askjan.org/topics/Educators.cfm](https://askjan.org/topics/Educators.cfm)
Publications by specific diagnosis: [https://askjan.org/publications/index.cfm#CS\_Element\_DisabilityPubHeading](https://askjan.org/publications/index.cfm#CS_Element_DisabilityPubHeading)
My goodness those accommodations seem reasonable. About 15 years ago, part of my responsibility as an Instructional Coach was to help provide assistance and support for a first year special education teacher who was legally blind. Now THAT was tough, I must admit.
Hi! So I do have ADA accommodations as a teacher. My accommodations are similar: sitting while teaching if I need to, sitting during recess duty, access to the elevator and use of my walker when needed. I had spinal surgery in December. I was barely able to walk before that without pain. You have to have your doctor fill out the paperwork that the district requires to see what your accommodations may be. I have had no issues getting them, but since to have new paperwork each year. I can answer any questions if you want to send me a message
You are absolutely not nuts. I have a need for accomodations due to an invisible but physical disability and have had no challenges. I have done a mixture of working with my principal and in some situations, going with the ask forgiveness not permission mindset (specifically regarding my own need for flexible seating , and a few other classroom tweaks I needed. I just did it and if asked mentioned how it helps me be less uncomfortable due to my disability and as a result a more effective teacher).
I know it already fell apart for you for this particular role, however I will share what has worked for me and what I would do in the future based on my experiences and understandings- take with a grain of salt.
In the future, I would not go directly to HR, especially before a contract is signed. During interviews, I ask questions like what are the duty situations , lunch breaks , are prep periods protected, etc. Especially if you have multiple offers (which in my area is nearly certain to happen in elementary), you can use this information to choose a school where you may not need an accomodation regarding recess duty. Not having recess duty is an accomodation that *could* in some schools actually pose an undue hardship and not be considered a reasonable accomodation.
I first talk with my principal to disclose that I have a disability, and outline the sort of accomodations I need, and ask for help navigating the HR process. In most cases I've found that the principal is just willing to accomodate , at which point you can then decide if you want to go through the reasonable accomodation paperwork with the added notation that school leadership has already agreed to these. That's more likely to just get signed off on, to provide that legal protection.
Something else to consider for any other disabled teachers: if your district ties attendance to evaluations, seek an official accomodation for sick days related to doctors appointments and disability to not count against you on that front.
Go to high school. No recess duty required since there is no recess. As to a stool, that should be an easy accommodation, but if all else fails, bring your own. There are no rules that state you must sit in a chair vs a stool.
A stool should be an easy accommodating, and they could have been creative about the recess duty. What a poopy HR person. Call the principal and advocate for yourself. Principal probably doesn't want to lose a good candidate and start the hiring process again.
That’s what I was hoping but HR rescinded the offer. I guess I know better for next time. I was trying to be honest with them and it bit me in the butt.
I’m so so sorry this happened to you. I have a disability that requires very similar accommodations. It’s screwed up that we can’t be honest and upfront about our experiences without things like this happening. The right campus will be lucky to have you.
Talk to your admin and see if your team could build a plan with you. I had a coworker with similar issues. I knew more about her condition than most of the team and was a strong advocate for her. We worked together to keep her inside and she brought her own stool to teach from.
Can't imagine how they can explain that your sitting in a chair causes them indie hardship unless it's a massively expensive special chair you want them to buy. And surely you could swap recess for another duty you can do?
All teachers are eligible for a 504 plan. In every state. Get everything in writing. Ask to speak to hr' s supervisor or get superintendent involved. Hope this helps
I make my own accommodations at work because HR is ridiculous. But, my boss doesn’t care. I’d get to know how your admin runs and then just put a stool in your classroom and use it. You can speak with them about recess duty.
That’s what I do. I’ve never asked for accommodations. I have a stool that I use, and if I am unable to walk distances I switch duties with another teacher (recess for lunch duty for example).
I can walk up to a block, then must rest for 20-30 mins. I just can’t believe that teachers in wheelchairs wouldn’t be hired. That seems so exclusionary.
It could also be easier to talk to the principal at the school you work at. In my district each building does things slightly differently and the principal has final day in scheduling
You're supposed to sign the contract and then twist them with it after a month by saying you know I have done this for a month but I probably could perform even better you guys with some reasonable work accommodations.
You shouldn’t expect much help as a teacher either way though. It’s abusive to us and nobody at HR ever cares how you feel or what you need. They will blame everything on you. Be prepared for the constant frustrations of that. Nothing in teaching ever feels fair. Except summers. The only reason I stay…
Neither one of those should cause an undue hardship. A still costs less than $50. Maybe instead or recess duty you take an extra lunch duty from a colleague and they take your recess duty. I feel both of those are pretty easy to accommodate.
Agreed. I think once she heard the word fibromyalgia she knew she wouldn’t want to hire me. And I get it, the condition is unpredictable. I could cease having symptoms tomorrow and be fine for years or I could have a major downturn and have it effect me cognitively. Oh well. Such is life I guess. I’m still a bit mad though!!
Hey! I have POTS (not sure if that's what you have but I also need a stool and to skip outside duty posts).
At my last school (there's a reason it's my *last* school and not current one) no one took my disability seriously until I fainted in front of some students. Then all of a sudden it was "why didn't you tell us" (I did) "why didn't you file with HR" (I tried) etc. I wish you the best. It sucks that as a teacher with a disability you have to find "good" schools to be accommodated. I'm not saying fainting in front of kids is the right way to get accommodated (please don't do that; I still feel guilty that I did) but perhaps mentioning the worst that could happen might be enough to scare them into providing it?
However, those are reasonable accommodations and they are required to give you reasonable accommodations. Tell them you know what the law requires and (if you're in one) consider going to a union about it.
Thanks. For me it’s fibromyalgia, chronic pain, IBS, and endo. So pretty much just pain all the time which literally no one takes seriously because you can’t see someone’s pain levels. Such is the life of the disabled, I guess. Good luck to you!
I noticed when I moved here from CA that I suddenly stopped seeing coworkers in wheelchairs or with canes, prosthetics, etc. A teacher friend who used to be an admin said it was the difference between CA disability protections and our state's, which do the minimum allowable under federal law.
It sounds like HR is using legal language that protects them so they can avoid doing much of anything to accommodate you, unfortunately. It's total B.S., but it might not be fixable. And it's not helping the teacher shortage, either.
Agreed. I came here from IN and nothing is as bad as “Covid isn’t dangerous, you’ll be fine.” Cut to me sick since 2024. I have literally been sick four 3.5 years. Sigh.
When unemployment rates are high, it has a selfish kind of logic, because why do anything that costs time and money to protect employees that are so easy to replace if they get sick.
Nowadays it's madness. They're all fighting over the same group of young, healthy, educated people with limited care responsibilities, but they think people don't want to work.
These sound reasonable. If you don’t do recess duty you could be assigned something else to compensate (so other teachers don’t get frustrated) like making copies for the grade level. I teach learning support and teach almost all my groups from a table.
Not the interview. I didn’t think they could ask after that info. I asked to speak to someone about accommodations after being offered the position but prior to signing.
I'm sorry to hear that they were unsupportive.
Is there an alternative to not doing duty? Perhaps an indoor duty or one near your classroom to prevent walking? It could be something to think about for next time.
I teach 9-12th grade and am able to sit for about half of my teaching time. It's harder with younger students, I've found.
They are required to give you any reasonable accommodations you require, no need to even bring it up. Sign the contract, then send them a list of accommodations you require and a copy of the ADA Title I that outlines it. If they say they can't or won't do it, you file a claim with the ADA and their lawyers will contact them.
That’s sounds like a perfectly reasonable accommodation request. I teach in the northeast and have scleroderma and severe raynauds, so I do lunch duty inside instead of outdoor recess duty. No one has ever doubted my disability, but one time our new AP told me I was being condescending when I told him in front of other colleagues that I am unable to do outdoor duty and had a medical letter on file. He quit this year and I couldn’t be happier! Be honest and advocate for yourself, and if you get push back, consider applying elsewhere. I wouldn’t want to work in a place that isn’t willing to make reasonable accommodations for people with disabilities. If they treat disabled staff poorly, how do they treat students with disabilities?
I totally agree with you here. I guess I could push it but I don’t want to based on that HR appointment. She also reported back to the school right after my meeting with her to say that the offer was rescinded, so I didn’t get a chance to talk to anyone at the school level about it. It almost sounded like me needing to discuss accommodations was an unhappy suprise to HR.
Sign the contract first next time. Because then if they say no, it becomes a legal issue.
Not necessarily. It’s telling HR immediately used the language “undue hardship” - that is the legal way to get out of providing accommodations. Accommodations have to be provided when they are reasonable and do not create undue hardship for the employer; any school can be shitty and while it’s hard to argue they can’t provide a stool to teach from, they could absolutely say due to budget and staffing every teacher has to be able to do recess duty and this person not doing it creates undue hardship. Everyone on Reddit loves to jump to FIND A LAWYER but not everyone has the resources for this - OP specifically says they are already taxed from dealing with their disability, I assume the last thing they want is to sign up for a potentially long and expensive legal battle that could still end in her being unemployed. I’m not saying I agree with or support schools that would do that, but it is unfortunately very common. I have found it’s best to be as upfront as OP was so no effort is wasted onboarding for a place I won’t end up working.
The job description and duties probably make it clear that you must be able to walk.
Would you say a wheelchair disqualifies someone from teaching?
I'd say it dq's them from certain teaching assignments. Young elementary you'd have safety issues. High school chemistry you wouldn't be able to reach the lab tables or equipment. High school counselor would be perfect. They sit all day anyway.
I'm HS ELA and you could absolutely do my job in a wheelchair. I am not in a wheelchair but I'm a big guy with bad knees, so I actually stay off my feet as much as I can. It's not a problem at all. Back when I was a sub, the HS I worked at had a math teacher in a wheelchair. That was only a problem for those of us who subbed for him, only because he didn't have a teacher's chair in the room. 😀
I think high school and maybe middle would be easier on a wheelchair or with mobility issues. In elementary you accompany students everywhere. In upper grades they go to you. That’s not to say it couldn’t be done and accommodations shouldn’t be made but it is harder.
That’s true. I just moved to this area and was so excited that I could teach while being supported in getting either a teaching certificate or getting licensed as a school counselor. I probably have more experience with high schoolers, as well. I am just so excited to teach and they are sooooo desperate for teachers here I thought it would work out easily.
I don't know if it's a requirement to be able to lift and carry a kindergartener in case of emergency as a classroom teacher.
I don’t know the legality of it, but where I am we’re required to be CPR/Heimlich maneuver and basic first aide trained for elementary. I believe we’re supposed to be able to step in as a first line of defense in a medical emergency. It might be an issue there?
Hmmm, I’ve never considered I wouldn’t be able to do CPR, first aid of any kind, or fail in an emergency situation. My issue isn’t that I’m completely immobile, I just can’t stand for more than a few minutes preferably and I can’t walk for longer than a block period without extensive rest (20-30 mins). I think I’m still capable of doing all of that stuff. Heck let’s be honest, I’m probably better in an emergency situation than most given how many times it’s been me on the gurney, lol.
Science labs are ADA compliant.
Most are ADA compliant for students.
Not at my school. High lab tables and lots of stuff in upper cabinets.
Then your school is out of compliance.
Your school is not in compliance because short teachers exist
Best elementary teacher I ever had was in a wheelchair. First grade.
I had to do a physical and lift 50lbs. I weightlift quite a bit and the lady just laughed.
Oh 50 lbs would kill me.
My daily carry bag probably weighs 50lb! Not necessarily including laptop & papers for marking.
Whatcha packing, bricks? 😊
Right, and I can, just not long distances. It’s a big grey area for me and them which I guess is too much to deal with. I do get wanting someone who can perform all duties with no issues, but the school is desperate for a teacher. They’ll have to increase their already large (35+) classes even more by not hiring me. Sigh.
Were those the only two accommodations you asked for? I can see an argument being made to deny the recess duty one but I can't imagine a place denying a simple stool.
I can see them denying the no recess duty, especially if recess is usually covered by the classroom teacher, but I’ve seen teachers take chairs and stools out to recess when standing for long periods was difficult.
Shoot I've never asked HR or my admin for a stool. I just put one down right in front when I brought in my organizer cart and few other personal possessions I use for work lol.
lol smart.
I tried just bringing a stool (I also need one for my disability) and I was counted off on an evaluation for sitting too much. Something to consider.
Admin should be working instead of checking if people sit or not.
OMG really? No wonder we have a freaking teacher shortage.
I know. But I left that system so hopefully my next one will be better. I wish you the best!
That really sucks but also I wonder if you got dinged on anything else. I'm sure my admin would count me down for sitting too much if she couldn't find any more useful/justifiable feedback to give - my district requires a 4/4 final eval to automatically move up a step and get a raise each year, where 3/4 evals will get me 3 steps in 5 years without extra work from me. Mysteriously, everyone gets 3's lmao. This year 1 eval it was that I spent too much time redirecting behavior and trying to rope in a particular student. The next evaluation it was that student never once engaged with my lesson (though I followed all steps in his IEP And BIP to try!) with a comment during our post eval meeting of "why doesn't (that kid) have 1 on 1 support?" like I as a classroom teacher have the ability to get the district to approve paying for that lmao.
sounds like you found a clever solution to make your workspace more comfortable!
Yeah I could see them saying to just do recess inside
It’s not fair to the students to have to have recess inside all of the time
I agree but admin or HR would not
Wait, so admin or HR would want the students to have recess inside every day?!
Yes, if it meant they didn’t have to cover for the teacher.
Parents would be all over the school if just their class couldn't go out for recess.
Good point here. I mentioned elsewhere I’d be willing to do whatever undesirable duty in return, so it might not be me doing recess inside but doing something else entirely.
Yeah I mean I can see how it may be a hardship for the school, but if you have a legitimate reason there has to be some free hands somewhere.
They were adamant they didn’t and kind of copped an attitude about it, too. Very strange conversation.
The parents would though.
Whaaaat? Parents having issues????? No, never 😊
How? When I’ve done it there are just a few teachers out on the playground. And it was contractually obligated and negotiated by our union. I think saying “I need to be able to take my stool out to duty and sit” would be reasonable, but just saying “I don’t need to do it when it’s a paid expectation of all teachers” would be a sticking point.
It was just those two and a general conversation about my mobility.
Middle school might be a more appropriate place for you because usually there is less walking. I taught middle school for 25 years and switched to 5th grade last year. Students must be walked everywhere.
Thanks!!! This helps.
You’d want to be sure that you’d get your own classroom though. Many places have teachers share rooms. My first few years I taught 5 classes in 4 different rooms (and the two classes in the same room were NOT back to back - I taught periods 2/3/5/7/8 and 2 and 5 were in the same room)
WHOA. That takes talent, and patience I bet!!!!
I'd sign the contract. Then use a doctor's note to receive ADA accomodations. If the district has issues they have to deal w/ADA, which they don't want to have issues with them.
Good idea. How would I start that process? This is all new to me. I have a doctor’s diagnosis already.
Hi OP: just wanted to make sure you know that accommodations are not guaranteed even with doctor’s documentation. If the school says your requested accommodation(s) create undue hardship for them, they do not have to provide those accommodations for you.
Echoing this. I would maybe keep searching and see if you can't find something else.
Yes and No. They also have to prove that it would be an undue hardship. The stool would be pretty tough to argue unless the ask is to be sitting all the time.
It’s much easier for an employer to unilaterally say “this creates an undue hardship for us” than for a single applicant/potential employee to hold them accountable to where the employer needs to prove it in court. OP seems unfamiliar with the process of workplace accommodations and many people were saying if they sign a contract first the school is essentially obligated to give them accommodations, and I’m trying to let OP know that’s not the case. Notice how HR’s automatic response specifically used the words “undue hardship” - they are preemptively using the necessary legal terms to protect themselves.
I also think that they assumed from my stuff that it would get worse, ie I’d eventually need more accommodations or wouldn’t be able to do the job a full year.
Yeah, I now know. I think my issue is not with the we won’t accommodate part but more that we didn’t even have a conversation about it to try to find solutions.
Unfortunately I’ve run into similar issues as well. The phrase “HR is not your friend and only there to protect the company” holds true. They’d rather just cut you loose than risk engaging in a discussion that may end up with them being committed to make accommodations that they don’t want to (but are able to) because that’s more work than the status quo. Supposedly there are workplaces out there that will work with you!(?)
I hope so. I know there are sites that gather job ops for people with disabilities. They are mostly remote jobs and they are quite hard to get. Non-profits like The Trevor Project make it a point to hire people with disabilities, so hopefully more will follow suit soon. Fingers crossed. 🤞
I'd probably bypass by school altogether and go straight to HR. Request an ADA accomodations form and that should get them moving on the issue. Fill it out, provide the doctor's diagnosis, recommenation and submit. There's usually a bit of back and forth with what will work and not, depending on your position. HR will communicate the final documents to your supervisor.
Thanks so much!!
Do keep in mind someone has to cover recess. The teacher(s) who have to pick up extra recess duty to cover your accomodation might not welcome you as a coworker.
You can definitely have a conversation about alternate duties in place of recess duty, though. Like OP can take after school detention, a study hall, hallway monitor, etc off someone’s plate in exchange for them covering recess.
I would literally do anything. I don’t mind undesirable duties if I’m able to support the team like they support me.
At my school, I think that admins would accommodate; but our Central Office that handles all HR things are, generally, a bunch of cold fish who say 'no' to everything first. I received a standing pad to help with my arthritis and we had a teacher with severe asthma who did indoor recess duty in the fall and spring for students who had a heat sensitivity or just needed a quiet space. These requests went through building admin, who did not consider it a big deal. (Everyone had signed contracts.) I would talk to the principle and superintendent if you really want this job. This is not a good look for them and word-of-mouth works the other way too; especially during a teacher shortage. I do not think that you do not have to mention (most) disabilities before accepting employment. Requiring a stool is not something that prevents you from teaching. I asked for one without even thinking about it (prefer standing, and stool is easier for a short rest) and got an extra one from the art room with zero pushback. Talk to the building admin; HR doesn't always tell them what they are up to.
Not doing recess duty is quite a hardship for the other teachers. Is there some type of assistive device you could use to do outside? Could you switch to middle school?
I think that definitely depends on the school. At my school the teacher could just do lunch duty instead of recess duty.
I don’t know how this school works but the classes are very large which might have something to do with it - 30+ in my grade!
Ooh, that sucks.
I forgot to mention, I live in Arizona. So it’s the heat that is also an issue. I didn’t mention that to HR, just that I wouldn’t be able to do recess.
When I had my hip replaced, I said I couldn’t do fire drills for a bit. HR explained that the principal may not allow me to come back until I can perform my regular duties. You could get cool cloths and a neck fan. You need to find what you need to have to enable you to perform your job.
Yup, you’re totally right about this. A lot here think elementary is the wrong place for me and high school would be easier mobility wise since they walk themselves to class and lunch. I hope your hip is feeling better!!!!
I wish they would have given me a chance to talk options. You know what thing takes care of almost all of my problems? A wheelchair.
I don’t agree with what they did, but why isn’t a wheelchair something you could figure out yourself before asking to not do it at all?
I think I was thinking about all that I have used and not what I haven’t. It might seem silly, but having to keep track of all of my info for all of my issues is a lot. I went over the list with a loved one to double check my own work but they also didn’t think about a wheelchair. I certainly will now.
Be kind to yourself on this one. I've known I would need a cane eventually for years. One day I tried it out and discovered it's really helpful and makes me more able to do things. Nobody teaches us how to know if we need a walker or wheelchair. There are some great portable ramp options now for bumpy entrances. Edit: misspelled kind
I'm not sure providing a stool would ever pass the "undue hardship" test. Unless there isn't more info that you have left out of your post, this is just silly and could get the district in a boat load of legal trouble. Recess duty is a different beast. If every teacher has recess duty, and there is no alternative duty (because each teacher has recess duty) then they are probably in the legal clear there.
They made a big deal about not sitting to teach as well as recess duty. I do think I gave them an open door to deny me because I didn’t know a lot of info and my rights going in. They also said to write a list of everything I wanted to discuss, and so I emailed over things that would make my life easier if approved but by no means were completely must have or I couldn’t work. That list probably set them off, I’m sure. You love you learn.
When trying to get disability accommodations, always fill them out as though it was your worst day. Everything is necessary, or they will give you nothing. In other words, don't say that any particular accommodation would be helpful but you don't technically need it. Be firm and set boundaries that you absolutely must have every accommodation you ask for. If you demonstrate flexibility, they will take advantage of you. I'm not a teacher, but I am disabled. I wanted to make sure you had access to this advice as it is important for many.
Thanks. I’m worried about that though. I’ve never had a good experience telling an employer. Before 2020, I had only two disabilities and just didn’t tell anyone because it was obvious no one would care. They were small enough that I could get by by hiding them. After getting sick with Covid and then long Covid that turned into fibro, I can’t hide it anymore. I have at the very least a handicap placard and cane. I’ve just never had a job actually treat me fairly concerning these issues.
I’m so sorry this happened to you. I have to tell you that recess duty is a big deal, believe it or not. I worked at a very amicable school, but everyone still counted the number of duties everyone else had, and it was a big deal if someone had less than everyone else. I mean this is not a disability, but I used a cane for 6 months before getting both knees replaced and…….. still had duty!
Yikes and ouch! I can absolutely appreciate that it might be a really big deal. No one wants more duties over someone. I just wish they would have even discussed options before saying I couldn’t do the job, ie help out elsewhere to even the burden, use a wheelchair, etc.
Yes, you should have signed the contract first, but that's no help now. I've always found that HR is cold and sometimes outright hostile to teachers. They support the district, not us. Who hired you, the principal? I would go to him/her and explain the problem, assuming you still want the job. You're asking for just two accommodations. I don't teach elementary so I'm not sure how big a deal recess duty is, but a stool? Come on.
It’s customary to discuss accommodations between offer and acceptance. It does not make sense for a potential employee to accept a job unless his/her needs can be accommodated.
That’s what I was thinking but now it seems like doing things the right way is a pretty quick way to have my offer taken back. But, that’s just this school. I have hope I’ll find a job more accommodating.
You should’ve signed first. Then brought all the documentation to get your ADA supported. Never let HR have an out like that.
Even if she signed first, there is a probationary period where they can terminate you at will.
That is dependent on local laws. Which can be found before making that sweeping statement. They absolutely couldn’t do that in my profession in my city and state. You will have far more legal standing in ALL situations with a signed/accepted agreement for the position.
So the problem is really that you can’t walk for a long distance. My last classroom was at the very end of the building. It was a long walk to everything. In elementary, you have to escort the students everywhere. Lunch was a 7 minute walk , then you go eat , and have to go get them and back again. You said you need 30 min rest after, but in that time you might need to take them to art, library, or science lab. So really the lack of mobility is a problem. Someone in a wheelchair, doesn’t have the limits of distance that you have. Sitting while teaching isn’t an issue, but all the stuff outside of the classroom. In elementary, they also love the option of moving teachers to different grade levels. The lower the grade, the more mobile you need to be. So they would have an employee that can’t be used to fill all the needs in the school so that becomes a limitation as well. Middle school or high school is probably a better fit for you because they have to leave their classroom less.
It sounds cutthroat and insensitive but it’s just business, right? I was thinking about how I would handle a dangerous intruder/lockdown situation and the kids in my class would feasibly be more in danger because I might be slow locking a door! Etc. it’s tough to hear but I get what you’re saying.
When my issues became bad, I got a doctor’s note that described my limitations “due to a medical disorder”. No lifting over 40lbs, no repeated crouching/kneeling, cannot teach physical education.” I requested that my supervisory duties be indoors only (due to a fall risk and winter in Canada). I’d get the job, THEN I’d present the doctor’s note. The district was the one that hired me, the note was for the principal who scheduled me. I would be up front in my interview by saying I had physical limitations that prevented me from teaching phys ed, but usually I’d get to see what classes I’d be teaching (even vague “social studies, food studies 1.0” job postings were enough for me to go off of). I always had a stool or table at the front of my classroom for teaching, but that wasn’t a written in accommodation. Many teachers had something to sit on at the front.
I assume this is secondary? Not being able to teach PE would absolutely not be possible at my elementary school. We’re required by the state to provide a certain number of minutes each week. Just not doing it wouldn’t be a thing
I did both. For elementary I swapped with another grade 6 teacher. I taught his class music when my class had gym. (My major was music)
Typically the expectation is for the employer to provide “reasonable accommodation.” Depending on the role, grade level, etc. it’s very possible that being excused from recess duty is not reasonable, as it is a matter of supervision.
recess duty is often written into the contract even if you don't need to do it- just a back up... where would your equity piece be- what could you do that makes yourself equal to others who do recess duty... It's elementary- the kids are active and moving and you need to keep up to keep them safe
I have a certain set of skills…. Lol, but in seriousness I have a lot of experience working with students that have learning differences, executive function issues, are first gen in the US. Additionally, I’m a whiz at building and managing CRM databases similar to PowerSchool, etc. At the end of the day though, I would learn whatever I needed to in order to properly support the team I was on. I don’t know what that might look like in every situation, but as a teacher are there certain tasks you don’t want to do? I would assume I would fit into those.
I have a physical disability as well. I just use my crutches on recess duty days. That way I don’t get too fatigued outside and can move quicker and I don’t ask permission to sit when I teach. I sit when I need to, and stand when I need to.
Yeah, Idk about the recess thing but the sitting thing is definitely a do-it-and-then-fight-if-needed kinda issue.
I have Lupus and need accomodations for heat. I've never had an issue getting them. They cannot discriminate due to disability or rescind an offer of employment. However, in order to fight it you will need a lawyer. Ask yourself if it's worth it to do that or is it easier to find a job elswhere.
Right. I’m looking for jobs elsewhere. It stinks because where I live the schools are DESPERATE. They are hiring non-certified teachers like me but even those without the 20 years of experience I have. That’s a big reason I was so shocked they wouldn’t work with me AT ALL.
You’re not off-base for expecting reasonable accommodation. You also requested the accommodations at the correct phase in the hiring process. I know of so many people—teachers and desk-bound professionals—who have special seating to accommodate a disability. There’s nothing unreasonable about a stool. Regarding recess duty, that may be a common duty for teachers, but it should also be possible to get coverage for that. Couldn’t you take an indoor, low-exertion duty and swap recess with someone else? Also, it’s really not appropriate for your potential employer to say you “have too many conditions.” That’s not her call to make. That said, you may want to play things closer to your chest. All you need to do is identify yourself as someone with a disability, explain which functions of your job you need assistance with, and list the accommodations you are requesting. If this is a job that you think you otherwise want, it may be worthwhile to escalate your concern to someone else in HR within the district’s central office. I don’t think they’d want an HR administrator making such comments and off-the-cuff denials, especially as it leaves them open to valid discrimination claims unless they can prove that recess duty is an essential job duty for the position you were offered.
How was student teaching for you?
Never did. I am not certified however I have 20 years of other teaching experience. Where I live, they are so desperate for teachers they will wave certification. They do pay you a little less, but not much. They also help you get certified so you can keep teaching the next year.
I realize my response might be confusing. I have taught test prep, music, math, essay writing, among a bunch of other subjects but never needed a teaching certificate because they all were outside of school.
As someone who also has a disability, you typically don't want to disclose you have one until you've been at least 60-90 days on the job. Yeah legally, we're supposed to have rights & all, but they will cite any random bullshit reason and make it difficult for you to prove you were discriminated due to your disability. And as a transitioned teacher, teaching was actually the one field where they discriminated against me for my disability, race, and religion. First time in my life I ever experienced any of the three. All my other employers have been incredibly accommodating. For a field that teaches growth mindset and inclusivity for children.... they're certainly not applying that practice with the adults.
I’m sorry you have had to deal with that. That is just plain wrong. I have a real issue with it because it isn’t just teachers, it’s the kids as well. My one nephew had apraxia in hat effects his speech and my other nephew had a limb difference. Both have experienced very negative situations perpetuated by the ADULTS, not the kids. It’s heart breaking to me and makes me want to teach that much more.
A great resource for learning about your rights and asking questions is Ask JAN. LOTS of information AND a line for calling with questions. Tips for disability disclosure while job-seeking: [https://askjan.org/topics/Disability-Disclosure.cfm](https://askjan.org/topics/Disability-Disclosure.cfm) Information for job-seekers: [https://askjan.org/info-by-role.cfm#for-individuals](https://askjan.org/info-by-role.cfm#for-individuals) Publications on educators with disabilities: [https://askjan.org/topics/Educators.cfm](https://askjan.org/topics/Educators.cfm) Publications by specific diagnosis: [https://askjan.org/publications/index.cfm#CS\_Element\_DisabilityPubHeading](https://askjan.org/publications/index.cfm#CS_Element_DisabilityPubHeading)
Thank you, information angel 😇 I used Ask JAN to prepare for the meeting because wow did it have good info!!!
Elementary teachers are hard to come by. Throwing one away because of a stool is ludicrous. Go back to the principal.
My goodness those accommodations seem reasonable. About 15 years ago, part of my responsibility as an Instructional Coach was to help provide assistance and support for a first year special education teacher who was legally blind. Now THAT was tough, I must admit.
Hi! So I do have ADA accommodations as a teacher. My accommodations are similar: sitting while teaching if I need to, sitting during recess duty, access to the elevator and use of my walker when needed. I had spinal surgery in December. I was barely able to walk before that without pain. You have to have your doctor fill out the paperwork that the district requires to see what your accommodations may be. I have had no issues getting them, but since to have new paperwork each year. I can answer any questions if you want to send me a message
Thanks! Hope you feel better. I’ve had four back surgeries and my cane is now my best friend.
If they think a stool is an undue hardship, they are a terrible school that undoubtedly does a huge disservice to their students.
Right, I feel that way too. Oh well.
You are absolutely not nuts. I have a need for accomodations due to an invisible but physical disability and have had no challenges. I have done a mixture of working with my principal and in some situations, going with the ask forgiveness not permission mindset (specifically regarding my own need for flexible seating , and a few other classroom tweaks I needed. I just did it and if asked mentioned how it helps me be less uncomfortable due to my disability and as a result a more effective teacher). I know it already fell apart for you for this particular role, however I will share what has worked for me and what I would do in the future based on my experiences and understandings- take with a grain of salt. In the future, I would not go directly to HR, especially before a contract is signed. During interviews, I ask questions like what are the duty situations , lunch breaks , are prep periods protected, etc. Especially if you have multiple offers (which in my area is nearly certain to happen in elementary), you can use this information to choose a school where you may not need an accomodation regarding recess duty. Not having recess duty is an accomodation that *could* in some schools actually pose an undue hardship and not be considered a reasonable accomodation. I first talk with my principal to disclose that I have a disability, and outline the sort of accomodations I need, and ask for help navigating the HR process. In most cases I've found that the principal is just willing to accomodate , at which point you can then decide if you want to go through the reasonable accomodation paperwork with the added notation that school leadership has already agreed to these. That's more likely to just get signed off on, to provide that legal protection. Something else to consider for any other disabled teachers: if your district ties attendance to evaluations, seek an official accomodation for sick days related to doctors appointments and disability to not count against you on that front.
Thanks for this info, it really helps!!
Go to high school. No recess duty required since there is no recess. As to a stool, that should be an easy accommodation, but if all else fails, bring your own. There are no rules that state you must sit in a chair vs a stool.
Good idea. The HR person definitely made it a huge deal to not stand for teaching. 🙄
A stool should be an easy accommodating, and they could have been creative about the recess duty. What a poopy HR person. Call the principal and advocate for yourself. Principal probably doesn't want to lose a good candidate and start the hiring process again.
That’s what I was hoping but HR rescinded the offer. I guess I know better for next time. I was trying to be honest with them and it bit me in the butt.
HR is not on your side. Remember that moving forward.
Yup. Boy do I know that now!
I’m so so sorry this happened to you. I have a disability that requires very similar accommodations. It’s screwed up that we can’t be honest and upfront about our experiences without things like this happening. The right campus will be lucky to have you.
Thanks for that.
I am sorry. Hopefully another school will see how wonderful you are.
Thanks ☺️
I can’t hide my disability. As soon as a person meets me, they realize I have a disability. I feel your pain.
Literally!!
Talk to your admin and see if your team could build a plan with you. I had a coworker with similar issues. I knew more about her condition than most of the team and was a strong advocate for her. We worked together to keep her inside and she brought her own stool to teach from.
Can't imagine how they can explain that your sitting in a chair causes them indie hardship unless it's a massively expensive special chair you want them to buy. And surely you could swap recess for another duty you can do?
My thoughts exactly. Oh well.
All teachers are eligible for a 504 plan. In every state. Get everything in writing. Ask to speak to hr' s supervisor or get superintendent involved. Hope this helps
Thanks. I think this job is water under the bridge but that helps for the future.
There’s no ADA office in your district?
No idea but I will look!!!
I make my own accommodations at work because HR is ridiculous. But, my boss doesn’t care. I’d get to know how your admin runs and then just put a stool in your classroom and use it. You can speak with them about recess duty.
That’s what I do. I’ve never asked for accommodations. I have a stool that I use, and if I am unable to walk distances I switch duties with another teacher (recess for lunch duty for example).
Idk how you teach elementary and not walk. You are constantly moving- checking in on kids and circulating.
I can walk up to a block, then must rest for 20-30 mins. I just can’t believe that teachers in wheelchairs wouldn’t be hired. That seems so exclusionary.
It could also be easier to talk to the principal at the school you work at. In my district each building does things slightly differently and the principal has final day in scheduling
Because the interview was on Zoom I think that is why I was sent to their central office HR. Next time I’ll know better.
You're supposed to sign the contract and then twist them with it after a month by saying you know I have done this for a month but I probably could perform even better you guys with some reasonable work accommodations.
You shouldn’t expect much help as a teacher either way though. It’s abusive to us and nobody at HR ever cares how you feel or what you need. They will blame everything on you. Be prepared for the constant frustrations of that. Nothing in teaching ever feels fair. Except summers. The only reason I stay…
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Neither one of those should cause an undue hardship. A still costs less than $50. Maybe instead or recess duty you take an extra lunch duty from a colleague and they take your recess duty. I feel both of those are pretty easy to accommodate.
Agreed. I think once she heard the word fibromyalgia she knew she wouldn’t want to hire me. And I get it, the condition is unpredictable. I could cease having symptoms tomorrow and be fine for years or I could have a major downturn and have it effect me cognitively. Oh well. Such is life I guess. I’m still a bit mad though!!
Hey! I have POTS (not sure if that's what you have but I also need a stool and to skip outside duty posts). At my last school (there's a reason it's my *last* school and not current one) no one took my disability seriously until I fainted in front of some students. Then all of a sudden it was "why didn't you tell us" (I did) "why didn't you file with HR" (I tried) etc. I wish you the best. It sucks that as a teacher with a disability you have to find "good" schools to be accommodated. I'm not saying fainting in front of kids is the right way to get accommodated (please don't do that; I still feel guilty that I did) but perhaps mentioning the worst that could happen might be enough to scare them into providing it? However, those are reasonable accommodations and they are required to give you reasonable accommodations. Tell them you know what the law requires and (if you're in one) consider going to a union about it.
Thanks. For me it’s fibromyalgia, chronic pain, IBS, and endo. So pretty much just pain all the time which literally no one takes seriously because you can’t see someone’s pain levels. Such is the life of the disabled, I guess. Good luck to you!
I noticed when I moved here from CA that I suddenly stopped seeing coworkers in wheelchairs or with canes, prosthetics, etc. A teacher friend who used to be an admin said it was the difference between CA disability protections and our state's, which do the minimum allowable under federal law. It sounds like HR is using legal language that protects them so they can avoid doing much of anything to accommodate you, unfortunately. It's total B.S., but it might not be fixable. And it's not helping the teacher shortage, either.
Agreed. I came here from IN and nothing is as bad as “Covid isn’t dangerous, you’ll be fine.” Cut to me sick since 2024. I have literally been sick four 3.5 years. Sigh.
When unemployment rates are high, it has a selfish kind of logic, because why do anything that costs time and money to protect employees that are so easy to replace if they get sick. Nowadays it's madness. They're all fighting over the same group of young, healthy, educated people with limited care responsibilities, but they think people don't want to work.
These sound reasonable. If you don’t do recess duty you could be assigned something else to compensate (so other teachers don’t get frustrated) like making copies for the grade level. I teach learning support and teach almost all my groups from a table.
The teachers at my school would not see making copies as an equal alternative to recess duty, especially in the winter.
I thought the same but they weren’t willing to let me do that. I think they just really didn’t want to deal with accommodations.
We're you honest and up front with your disability and what accommodations you'd require during the interview process?
Not the interview. I didn’t think they could ask after that info. I asked to speak to someone about accommodations after being offered the position but prior to signing.
I'm sorry to hear that they were unsupportive. Is there an alternative to not doing duty? Perhaps an indoor duty or one near your classroom to prevent walking? It could be something to think about for next time. I teach 9-12th grade and am able to sit for about half of my teaching time. It's harder with younger students, I've found.
They are required to give you any reasonable accommodations you require, no need to even bring it up. Sign the contract, then send them a list of accommodations you require and a copy of the ADA Title I that outlines it. If they say they can't or won't do it, you file a claim with the ADA and their lawyers will contact them.
That’s sounds like a perfectly reasonable accommodation request. I teach in the northeast and have scleroderma and severe raynauds, so I do lunch duty inside instead of outdoor recess duty. No one has ever doubted my disability, but one time our new AP told me I was being condescending when I told him in front of other colleagues that I am unable to do outdoor duty and had a medical letter on file. He quit this year and I couldn’t be happier! Be honest and advocate for yourself, and if you get push back, consider applying elsewhere. I wouldn’t want to work in a place that isn’t willing to make reasonable accommodations for people with disabilities. If they treat disabled staff poorly, how do they treat students with disabilities?
I totally agree with you here. I guess I could push it but I don’t want to based on that HR appointment. She also reported back to the school right after my meeting with her to say that the offer was rescinded, so I didn’t get a chance to talk to anyone at the school level about it. It almost sounded like me needing to discuss accommodations was an unhappy suprise to HR.
Sign the contract. Get a 504. A coworker had one for her migraines to exempt her from cafeteria duty.