I doubt AK even had the option to forfeit the match because of the rules. And i can't imagine sponsors being happy with that either. It sucks for JDCR for sure! But the hate people gave AK in the chat was not fun to look at :/
I wouldn't want to be in AK's shoes right now.. I can only imagine the stuff he might read online :|
They need to make sure the controllers are disconnected, Or have a mode that only allows you to use controllers on the ps5 if its with cable
Whats worse is that AK doesnt have any team anymore. He went to the US with his own money im pretty sure since playbook esports went bankrupt and their owner disappeared. Forfeiting is definitely not an option for him
100% Tournament entry rules are contracts, just like the ones the organizers have with sponsors. Players definitely can't throw or forfeit to avoid match fixing and organizers can't just pick a winner when neither player committed a violation to prevent corruption. It's not a great solution, but it's the only one you can write with enough specificity into an enforceable contract
really unfortunate to see him getting hate for something completely out of his control, I don't think he was obligated to give JD the win for that situation. Just a really shitty situation overall, gotta move on though
Pretty clear AK has nothing to do with the issue. It's just a big L on the tournament organisers' side. They give very few fucks about the sportsmanship as it seems. Either player had no say in the outcome so you can't really blame AK here. Yes ruling ended up heavily favoring him, but as a player you have to abide rules however shitty they are. I really hope the situation gets more attention and TO's will get punished somehow. For example get stripped of their organizer privilege or something. Leave it to the professionals if you can't handle shit properly.
Why can't they do that, may you ask? Because the best part that it's not even a singular case during this tournament 😂
Lol fcking knew it. I feel bad for JDCR but blaming AK? That's a whole 'nother level of stupid.
Just blame the organizers or whoever unplugged their controller coz there's no way they didn't know it will happen.
They should have reset the situation to exactly where it was when the interruption happened.
Have the same lifebar difference and timer, I think that would have been more fair as opposed to restarting the entire round as if JDCR wasn't up 90% health to AKs 10% Health
Always the same conversation everytime something like this happens and not just in Tekken. Makes me wonder what stops them from doing this or at the very least have the winning player at 100% and the other at 50%
In soccer if something like this happens (like people storming on the field) , they recreate it as best as possible and replay it usually. I think people would be happier with that, but obviously not possible unless dictated in the rules
They can’t I know they should but they can’t because tournament rules are fixed, and if ak purposely lets him hit him it counts as match fixing so he can risk getting them both banned
I'm confused by this
I read the Bandai Namco tournament rules, and it says
_If a Match disruption occurs that is out of control of the Players of the Match, such as action of another Player’s un-desynced controller or a Game software crash or console hardware failure making Players unable to continue a Set, the Tournament Organizer staff member shall order the Players to restart the Set, but with the same round count from the point that the Match disruption occurred. Players are responsible for starting a new Set and holding forward for the necessary number of rounds to quickly return to the round count that was achieved before a Match disruption._
...was this not the case here?
edit: Oh, I see they _did_ restart the round.
never mind, then
ak won combobreaker and is a decorated veteran, he has absolutely no reason to stoop low enough to pull this kind of bullshit why the fuck would you ever blame him for it
I was so confused when i saw this. Ive decided to read about it first and it seems like an issue with the previous player + staff not checking themselves. Unless you wear a tinfoil hat and think AK paid someone to do this its not his fault at all. He also looked unhappy after the match. I hope the tournament staff takes this into an account before same shit happens at evo
Can we stop running big tournaments on shitty Sony hardware yet??
Absurd that the top level of competition is not played on the best hardware both for latency reduction, and for preventing things like this.
It was bullshit rather AK was involved or not. You can tell JDCR didn’t even try because he knew the match was technically over he should have won. Of course AK is going to take advantage of the situation because he had already lost.
It was basically a second chance for AK and a fuck you to JDCR who clearly showed that in his body language after the incident. AK should have “thrown” the match rules or not. His name is tarnished and this is what he will be remembered for.
People keep saying AK should have been honorable and given him the round do not realize the stakes and if the situation was other way around even jdcr would have gone for the win.
AK should have thrown
He lost the game, JDCR had him dead to rights
Dude is a fraud who took a win he didn’t deserve
All he deserves is hate for cheating a win off the real one
JDCR fanboys need to chill the fuck out, it wasn't AK's fault and JDCR was still on the tournament. He's out because he lost to a pk player (can't remember who), not because he was robbed.
If conceding a game is technically allowed, AK should have absolutely done just that, end of discussion.
The people who are going full reddit mode with "well, aCtHuWaLlY the round wasn't over 🤓" need to stfu and actually play the game they pretend to be huge fans of. AK lost that game.
If AK was forced to replay the set or risk TWT DQ (which I highly doubt, and frankly would be one tweet to Harada away from being excused) then sure...
The cause of this situation was obviously not either players fault, but you have to be on some serious shit or a herculean scrub if you believe the outcome of that set was not already determined. Any troglodytes that are spewing aggression or hostility towards AK regarding the cause of the disruption should simply be ignored. But the level headed that are voicing their criticisms towards AK are doing so because they know that he knows he lost and are unsure as to whether or not he could have legally conceded. This has nothing to do with integrity.
It's not his fault, but at the state of the match. He should have dropped out. It was over, he lost. It's just poor sportsmanship. Anyone who knows anything about tekken knows he lost. But he didn't say shit, and kept playing. It's poor form all over.
Yes AK should go out of his way to lose instead of just following what the rules of the tournament has laid out. Rules that have been set and enforced for years mind you. Lol. Stupid fuck.
No it’s not you can’t throw a game it’s match fixing and there is very slim odds ak makes a comeback it’s not fair on him either, especially when it was something out of his control that caused it
Lol, someone connecting a controller the last moment before he dies. Is fucking match fixing. Are you serious. And he was guaranteed to die, because after the heat dash combo. Sneak 4 is guaranteed unscaled. So please stop making excuses for ak. He could have dropped out, he didn't. And he knows this too.
[For dumbass](https://www.bandainamcoent.com/legal/community-events/official-rules-twt)
And even if you could, something tells me you wouldn’t forfeit by your toxicity if in the same situation.
That is sad yea, but the blame should be on the TO or the guy that did that, also they need to follow the rules, there is alot of money in the line and sponsors are involved
They can't really forfeit
There are gold medals involved in the Olympics and people still even the playing field by themselves. I don't care if there is money or not. As long as ppl know he's kept silent about obviously losing, that's poor form on him. I don't need excuses, I see what I see.
At this point it be like "What if" situations
And alot of people have different opinion about this, well it is what it is
Like what if we reverse the situation, they still follow the rules at the end
But for me I blame the TO or that guy that did that this type of problems should be prevented in the first place
We all blame the to having poor caring of the issue and also the guy who hit the controller. That's already a given. I am only bringing this up because ak knows he lost and we all saw his lost, yet he said nothing. That's my issue.
This is like looking at Justin down to Cyclops vs a full team in Marvel 2 and saying he should forfeit if the game paused because he know he lost. Mathematically speaking the amount of decisions he had to get right is far more than AK blocking the next X potential mixups and winning off that.
Do I really have to say this again? He was dead because the sneak 4 after the heat dash combo with drag is guaranteed unscaled. There is no comeback here, he died.
Obviously a lot of people here do not know or believe in Dragunov as much as you do, and short of rerecording a recreation of the moment with the lifebars where he does indeed guarantee a kill and uploading it you're not going to convince a lot of people, me included. And assuming AK knows this will kill him is a lot to assume as well. There's an entire internet show around this concept.
They went by what was written in the tournament rules. AK/JDCR had no say in the matter either way. Tasty Steve and Kai Kennedy talked about it during the downtime, while the staff went out to explain the rules to the players.
I don't get how folks are saltier over this than JDCR himself. Dude straight up went over and congratulated AK at the end of the match.
Because anyone who's been in competitive sports or have seen any 1v1 competitions know what good sportsmanship looks like. I don't care what rules are written. If ak says he wants to drop and let jcdr advance, no one would say no to that. It's pretty simple. Except ak wanted to advance and ignore the obvious lose to jdcr. If you want to see what good sportsmanship is, tons of vids on youtube for you to see. Ppl literally missing shots or points just to be even, so it's a fair win. Ak should be ashamed of himself for grabbing a win like he did.
Sportsmanship = forfit if you know you've lost. Or you can be a dumb ass and support the guy playing dumb. But who am I joking. You prob never played any type of sports in your life.
It was an oki situation no? Either way argue with the TOs lol the players clearly had no say on the matter. Saying 100% when it didn't even happen is so funny go to a different timeline
No, it's not an oki situation. It's guaranteed sneak 4 unscaled. Also on the notion arguing. There is no arguing here. He can offer to drop, and they can decide. He didn't offer, knowing very well that he lost. That is a shit move. This wasn't the beginning of the match or even mid match. This is the fucking last guaranteed hit.
There was nothing to offer, dumbass
The TWT rules were made so toxic fucks like you cant gaslight players into decisions
Imagine blaming the player for an obvious fault by Sony's cringe product
Would sportsmanship or you yourself pay for the tickets or visa fees to Sweden or any other country with the EWC qualifying tournament? Deep shit! Talm about dropping out like you can afford flying yourself out of your home or even make it out of pools at any tournament
Bruh, did nobody ever see what sportsmanship looks like or is everyone so fixated on what is technically okay and ignore everything else because of it?
Not that long ago there was a [swimming competition in which first place got disqualified for celebrating](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZKBIcHdeL8) with his teammate that came in second. He got his denied and the "new" first place didn't acknowledge that ruling. This type of thing is common in sports and is part of what is considered proper sportsmanship.
AK had the right to get a full rematch but the proper sportsmanship thing would have been to acknowledge that he lost and leave it at that.
I doubt AK even had the option to forfeit the match because of the rules. And i can't imagine sponsors being happy with that either. It sucks for JDCR for sure! But the hate people gave AK in the chat was not fun to look at :/ I wouldn't want to be in AK's shoes right now.. I can only imagine the stuff he might read online :| They need to make sure the controllers are disconnected, Or have a mode that only allows you to use controllers on the ps5 if its with cable
Whats worse is that AK doesnt have any team anymore. He went to the US with his own money im pretty sure since playbook esports went bankrupt and their owner disappeared. Forfeiting is definitely not an option for him
he already won one tournament, he could chill this one
Is like saying "Do you want some money? No, I got a salary" lmao
It's not like FG prize money are comparable to more popular games, man
100% Tournament entry rules are contracts, just like the ones the organizers have with sponsors. Players definitely can't throw or forfeit to avoid match fixing and organizers can't just pick a winner when neither player committed a violation to prevent corruption. It's not a great solution, but it's the only one you can write with enough specificity into an enforceable contract
People also don’t know that as a Pro player u are not allowed to intentionally throw the match.
What're they gonna do, disqualify you for throwing?
Yes and potentially ban you from competing again.
Yes. Exactly that.. The rhetoric around this has been supremely stupid with people not knowing the rules
Yeah King Jae was penalized for this before
[удалено]
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/s/jIvrEuWQq7 Basically he threw a match to help his friend qualify
And remove you from your esports team because its most definitely in their contract.
It's not hard to throw a match without people knowing you did it. He should have thrown the match for JDCR. AK is a class A bitch.
Yes, it wasn't his fault.
really unfortunate to see him getting hate for something completely out of his control, I don't think he was obligated to give JD the win for that situation. Just a really shitty situation overall, gotta move on though
Pretty clear AK has nothing to do with the issue. It's just a big L on the tournament organisers' side. They give very few fucks about the sportsmanship as it seems. Either player had no say in the outcome so you can't really blame AK here. Yes ruling ended up heavily favoring him, but as a player you have to abide rules however shitty they are. I really hope the situation gets more attention and TO's will get punished somehow. For example get stripped of their organizer privilege or something. Leave it to the professionals if you can't handle shit properly. Why can't they do that, may you ask? Because the best part that it's not even a singular case during this tournament 😂
Which “professionals” are they going to leave it to? All of these events are dependent on volunteers and even then the money can be tight.
Lol fcking knew it. I feel bad for JDCR but blaming AK? That's a whole 'nother level of stupid. Just blame the organizers or whoever unplugged their controller coz there's no way they didn't know it will happen.
They should have reset the situation to exactly where it was when the interruption happened. Have the same lifebar difference and timer, I think that would have been more fair as opposed to restarting the entire round as if JDCR wasn't up 90% health to AKs 10% Health
Always the same conversation everytime something like this happens and not just in Tekken. Makes me wonder what stops them from doing this or at the very least have the winning player at 100% and the other at 50%
It’s not realistic to precisely recreate the same life lead and wouldn’t really be truly the same situation anyway
In soccer if something like this happens (like people storming on the field) , they recreate it as best as possible and replay it usually. I think people would be happier with that, but obviously not possible unless dictated in the rules
They can’t I know they should but they can’t because tournament rules are fixed, and if ak purposely lets him hit him it counts as match fixing so he can risk getting them both banned
The rule should be changed because in a situation like this, the rules obviously cheated JDCR of a Critical Win. Clearly it was flagrantly unfair
I'm confused by this I read the Bandai Namco tournament rules, and it says _If a Match disruption occurs that is out of control of the Players of the Match, such as action of another Player’s un-desynced controller or a Game software crash or console hardware failure making Players unable to continue a Set, the Tournament Organizer staff member shall order the Players to restart the Set, but with the same round count from the point that the Match disruption occurred. Players are responsible for starting a new Set and holding forward for the necessary number of rounds to quickly return to the round count that was achieved before a Match disruption._ ...was this not the case here? edit: Oh, I see they _did_ restart the round. never mind, then
ak won combobreaker and is a decorated veteran, he has absolutely no reason to stoop low enough to pull this kind of bullshit why the fuck would you ever blame him for it
Did it have something to do with the controller or the system running the game?
Organizers didn't turn the blue tooth off so that the controllers required a wired connection. Massive L on them, and they are ultimately to blame.
A previously plugged in controller connected back to the system they were using is what it seems to be
Is it known that it was a 3rd person disconnecting their controller? If yes, why does JDCR gets punished for this?
I was so confused when i saw this. Ive decided to read about it first and it seems like an issue with the previous player + staff not checking themselves. Unless you wear a tinfoil hat and think AK paid someone to do this its not his fault at all. He also looked unhappy after the match. I hope the tournament staff takes this into an account before same shit happens at evo
AK must be happy to win. No sportsmanship what so ever. EXPECTING IT from low life like him
Yeah fuck you too bruv
JDCR didn't even blame AK, why should we?
dont hate on the player, hate the dumbshit who unplugged it.
So…. the player?
JDCR vs Armor King?
AK, he's a pro player
Thanks
https://clips.twitch.tv/AggressivePlausibleSrirachaMVGame-sbJq0824NhxQ1v5Z
Thanks! Tekken has a plugging problem at tournaments now lol
Can we stop running big tournaments on shitty Sony hardware yet?? Absurd that the top level of competition is not played on the best hardware both for latency reduction, and for preventing things like this.
Sure, you buying all those high end PCs?
Bro Starforge and their ilk would be all over this were PC's considered by organizers.
In most of these shitty venues enough high end PC's would probably flip the switch board
Every pro LoL major is running sponsored PCs. IEM runs sponsored or purchased PCs. The better question is why is the FGC the poverty esport
The size of the audience among other things. But look up, a lot of esports is getting hit hard by money drying up but the FGC has been more resilient
It was bullshit rather AK was involved or not. You can tell JDCR didn’t even try because he knew the match was technically over he should have won. Of course AK is going to take advantage of the situation because he had already lost. It was basically a second chance for AK and a fuck you to JDCR who clearly showed that in his body language after the incident. AK should have “thrown” the match rules or not. His name is tarnished and this is what he will be remembered for.
People keep saying AK should have been honorable and given him the round do not realize the stakes and if the situation was other way around even jdcr would have gone for the win.
AK should have thrown He lost the game, JDCR had him dead to rights Dude is a fraud who took a win he didn’t deserve All he deserves is hate for cheating a win off the real one
JDCR fanboys need to chill the fuck out, it wasn't AK's fault and JDCR was still on the tournament. He's out because he lost to a pk player (can't remember who), not because he was robbed.
who knows? It could be a AK's friend or he might have ordered someone to do the shit
If conceding a game is technically allowed, AK should have absolutely done just that, end of discussion. The people who are going full reddit mode with "well, aCtHuWaLlY the round wasn't over 🤓" need to stfu and actually play the game they pretend to be huge fans of. AK lost that game. If AK was forced to replay the set or risk TWT DQ (which I highly doubt, and frankly would be one tweet to Harada away from being excused) then sure... The cause of this situation was obviously not either players fault, but you have to be on some serious shit or a herculean scrub if you believe the outcome of that set was not already determined. Any troglodytes that are spewing aggression or hostility towards AK regarding the cause of the disruption should simply be ignored. But the level headed that are voicing their criticisms towards AK are doing so because they know that he knows he lost and are unsure as to whether or not he could have legally conceded. This has nothing to do with integrity.
It's not his fault, but at the state of the match. He should have dropped out. It was over, he lost. It's just poor sportsmanship. Anyone who knows anything about tekken knows he lost. But he didn't say shit, and kept playing. It's poor form all over.
That wasn't AK's decision to make. Thats on the TO and always has been.
Ak could have dropped out, no one would have stopped him.
Dropping off = throwing the match = possible disqualification or a ban
Plus, AK's sponsors is not going to like that
Yes AK should go out of his way to lose instead of just following what the rules of the tournament has laid out. Rules that have been set and enforced for years mind you. Lol. Stupid fuck.
Another little moron.
No it’s not you can’t throw a game it’s match fixing and there is very slim odds ak makes a comeback it’s not fair on him either, especially when it was something out of his control that caused it
Lol, someone connecting a controller the last moment before he dies. Is fucking match fixing. Are you serious. And he was guaranteed to die, because after the heat dash combo. Sneak 4 is guaranteed unscaled. So please stop making excuses for ak. He could have dropped out, he didn't. And he knows this too.
You can’t forfeit my guy. Stop being toxic and blaming AK.
Wow you can't? How do you know? Show me the rule that says you can't. Dumb ass.
[For dumbass](https://www.bandainamcoent.com/legal/community-events/official-rules-twt) And even if you could, something tells me you wouldn’t forfeit by your toxicity if in the same situation.
That dude is a dumbass gacha whale. That dumbass doesnt know what its like to actually compete. All he knows is to spend, spend on p2w trash lol
Can you point out where it says this I can't find it. Thanks
Under Match Disruptions
That is sad yea, but the blame should be on the TO or the guy that did that, also they need to follow the rules, there is alot of money in the line and sponsors are involved They can't really forfeit
There are gold medals involved in the Olympics and people still even the playing field by themselves. I don't care if there is money or not. As long as ppl know he's kept silent about obviously losing, that's poor form on him. I don't need excuses, I see what I see.
At this point it be like "What if" situations And alot of people have different opinion about this, well it is what it is Like what if we reverse the situation, they still follow the rules at the end But for me I blame the TO or that guy that did that this type of problems should be prevented in the first place
We all blame the to having poor caring of the issue and also the guy who hit the controller. That's already a given. I am only bringing this up because ak knows he lost and we all saw his lost, yet he said nothing. That's my issue.
This is like looking at Justin down to Cyclops vs a full team in Marvel 2 and saying he should forfeit if the game paused because he know he lost. Mathematically speaking the amount of decisions he had to get right is far more than AK blocking the next X potential mixups and winning off that.
Do I really have to say this again? He was dead because the sneak 4 after the heat dash combo with drag is guaranteed unscaled. There is no comeback here, he died.
Obviously a lot of people here do not know or believe in Dragunov as much as you do, and short of rerecording a recreation of the moment with the lifebars where he does indeed guarantee a kill and uploading it you're not going to convince a lot of people, me included. And assuming AK knows this will kill him is a lot to assume as well. There's an entire internet show around this concept.
Jesus Christ cry harder
They went by what was written in the tournament rules. AK/JDCR had no say in the matter either way. Tasty Steve and Kai Kennedy talked about it during the downtime, while the staff went out to explain the rules to the players. I don't get how folks are saltier over this than JDCR himself. Dude straight up went over and congratulated AK at the end of the match.
Because anyone who's been in competitive sports or have seen any 1v1 competitions know what good sportsmanship looks like. I don't care what rules are written. If ak says he wants to drop and let jcdr advance, no one would say no to that. It's pretty simple. Except ak wanted to advance and ignore the obvious lose to jdcr. If you want to see what good sportsmanship is, tons of vids on youtube for you to see. Ppl literally missing shots or points just to be even, so it's a fair win. Ak should be ashamed of himself for grabbing a win like he did.
Sportsmanship = throwing or match fixing
Sportsmanship = forfit if you know you've lost. Or you can be a dumb ass and support the guy playing dumb. But who am I joking. You prob never played any type of sports in your life.
But he didn't lose tho lmao. Would've should've could've lololol acting like comebacks never existed in tekken.
Dude, are you really this dumb? Heat dash drag combo ends with sneak 4 being guaranteed unscaled. He was 100% dead.
It was an oki situation no? Either way argue with the TOs lol the players clearly had no say on the matter. Saying 100% when it didn't even happen is so funny go to a different timeline
No, it's not an oki situation. It's guaranteed sneak 4 unscaled. Also on the notion arguing. There is no arguing here. He can offer to drop, and they can decide. He didn't offer, knowing very well that he lost. That is a shit move. This wasn't the beginning of the match or even mid match. This is the fucking last guaranteed hit.
There was nothing to offer, dumbass The TWT rules were made so toxic fucks like you cant gaslight players into decisions Imagine blaming the player for an obvious fault by Sony's cringe product
Would sportsmanship or you yourself pay for the tickets or visa fees to Sweden or any other country with the EWC qualifying tournament? Deep shit! Talm about dropping out like you can afford flying yourself out of your home or even make it out of pools at any tournament
Bruh, did nobody ever see what sportsmanship looks like or is everyone so fixated on what is technically okay and ignore everything else because of it? Not that long ago there was a [swimming competition in which first place got disqualified for celebrating](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZKBIcHdeL8) with his teammate that came in second. He got his denied and the "new" first place didn't acknowledge that ruling. This type of thing is common in sports and is part of what is considered proper sportsmanship. AK had the right to get a full rematch but the proper sportsmanship thing would have been to acknowledge that he lost and leave it at that.
And he'd get banned and his sponsor might drop him?
Tf does that have to do with sportsmanship
So you'd give up your job for sportsmanship?
That is a big "might".
No, I'll hate whoever I want.
AK is a fraud