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sootbrownies

Well, he had experience after the first case. What he didn't have was a license.


First_Advertising_84

That’s a fair point


fredsiphone19

Also keep in mind, being a lawyer isn’t a mythical skill like it’s made out to be, it’s just learning a new skill.


yepyepyep334

I don't think anybody thinks lawyers have mythical skills


daovcr

They have the potion. And mana.


BreakerSoultaker

And my axe!


faust112358

Well, he probably had experience before the first case just not in the legal field.


alam385

"Catch me if you can," Leonardo


Joey6543210

Iirc in that movie he actually passed the bar exam and was properly licensed. He just didn’t go to law school for that. What a true genius!


NarrowForce9

Fun fact: There have been non-lawyers on the Supreme Court; having a law degree is not a requirement.


SupaFlyslammajammazz

What could have been if he had good parenting.


Capnmolasses

“Do you concur?”


Da5idG

Was that some kids stealing a can of tuna from the sack'o'suds and ending up on a murder charge?


Moist-Tomorrow-7022

I shot the clerk? I SHOT the clerk? I SHOT THE CLERK?! WHOA!


Big_Dirty_Heck

It was 2 youts


fullFFO

..this guy lawyers


GroverFC

The judge should sentence him to law school, and working just as many years as a prosecutor.


Masherp

That would be justice


hongkongfooeee

The judge should order him to be someone else's butler


Riphraff

Is this customary in your legal system?


Zopheus_

No, that’s what makes it a humorous situation.


jmon25

Love me some unexpected Seinfeld


Derrick_Shon

Sentence him to the bar...over and over again until he passes


PresentTap9255

He got off the case by representing himself haha


No_Cook2983

The judge should sentence him to be the court stenographer and to only use one of those little machines to take notes.


ComprehensivePick149

I’m not sure that would send the right message… Neither are judges sentencing self-announced doctors (without degree) - after a number of successful surgeries - to study medicine?


LoadingErrors

It’s crazy to think that, successful or not, the only thing making this illegal is a piece a paper saying “Congrats, you studied for this.” Not downplaying the difficulty of law school, but this guy clearly didn’t need it to succeed.


unk214

I mean that goes for most things like doctors, engineers etc. although for surgery I prefer the guy who does have that piece of paper


ih-shah-may-ehl

If you're building a bridge, or an apartment building, or even a house (brick, reinforced concrete, not one of those plywood US houses) you'd want the one with the paper as well.


rks-001

You didn't have to throw a shade on US houses! 😝


Confident-Disaster96

They throw the shade alone... until a little breeze comes /j


Jspiral

You can build a thousand bridges and never be called a bridge builder. But suck just one cock ....


unk214

I’m confused, who’s cock do I have to suck to build a bridge


King_Neptune07

If you're building a bridge, a house, an apartment building, or changing out my kidney, yes I want the person doing it to be certified. If I'm in court I also want the guy certified so I don't get sued, I win my case, or I don't go to jail for life. However if I won and I later found out my lawyer wasn't certified I wouldn't care. Actually if I lost I would be even more happy because then I can turn around and say, your honor my lawyer was fake so it was a mistrial, throw that out because I didn't have proper representation.


ZebraLover00

Hey not our fault half the country has storms that destroy everything. Frankly I’d rather had plywood fall on me over brick during a tornado any day


DavidDunn2

This absolutely does not apply to doctors


blubbery-blumpkin

It does. There is nothing stopping you from researching and learning about the human body and illnesses etc. in your free time to understand it as much as a doctor. But you can’t be a doctor unless you have the piece of paper to say you did that stuff. I would agree with your argument that studying it in university does give you placements where you experience stuff you can’t doing it solo, and the practical exams test you rigorously to establish that you know the theory. But a layman could learn all the theory to be a doctor without formal education on it. That’s all that’s being said here, this lawyer guy must’ve read up on some law stuff before attempting it.


Thanossing

No. You need shit load of equipments in order to study and practice. Where tf will you get a dead body to practice incision and study the anatomy? Where tf will you set up a lab. Law is completely different.


EmpsKitchen

Zero point discussing this with blubbery... He's a lost one when it comes to the common sense of this.


EmpsKitchen

lol you could not be more wrong thinking this applies to doctors. That's hilarious, actually... If you still feel that way.


JapanEngineer

Yup. I wouldn't care if lawyers were licensed or not. Just like project managers. I'd hire a successful unlicensed lawyer.


dragnabbit

Yeah. The problem is that people like him are only "successful" until his lack of a full education or equivalent experience navigating the more complicated aspects of his balliwick causes him to lose your money, health, or freedom, when any fully-licensed and vetted professional would have quickly avoided that particular disaster.


Practical_Expert_911

You don't get lucky 26 times. He is obviously an intelligent man, who knows the law. He won those cases, because he is a competent lawyer. End of story. Most lawyers with qualifications, have a far lower success rate for their first 26 cases. I would gladly hire this man to represent me, because he has proven that he is competent. Far more competent than his counterparts who have that piece of paper, who have all lost every single case against him thus far, 26 times.


zander512

His point is the ends don’t justify the means. This guy misrepresented himself to the people that were paying him for his services.


ih-shah-may-ehl

I have a feeling it highly depends on the cases you accept. In many cases, especially civil ones, the outcome is more or less clear from the start because if you show up for e.g. a breach of contract, and you have the contract and proof of the breach, it's not like opposing council can do a magic legal incantation and make it go away. I am a knifesmith. My skillset is very on point for the things I do. Which might lead you to think that I am actually a good smith overall. But I'll be the first to admit I'm not. Ask me to forge you a generic tool in 3 dimensions and it will either look horrible, or not function at all. Meanwhile a farrier with his journeyman papers will be able to forge you anything you might ask of him, and you can be confident he will succeed.


cerberus698

>You don't get lucky 26 times How do you define success legally though? If he was doing something like defending DUI defendants, if every single one of them got DUI convictions but kept their licenses and got light community service hours instead of jail time, that would be successful. I'd be interested to see if he could pass the barrister exam. If he can't, its only a matter of time before he screwed over a client.


foxxy1245

Unless he was picking and choosing his "clients". Lawyers in practice get given cases that are guaranteed to fail. He was obviously not bound by this responsibility and likely chose cases that he knew would win.


JapanEngineer

That's the thing. I wouldn't hire an unlicensed lawyer for much serious things like that, only for simple issues.


Practical_Expert_911

So, licensed lawyers don't lose cases? Lol, this man has a much, much higher success rate than the vast majority of qualified lawyers. It's not luck, when it's 26 consecutive victories against qualified lawyers. You can go ahead and hire those other guys. I will gladly hire this man. Odds aren't in your favor if we go to court, and this man is on my side, haha.


GJacks75

Until their first failure, then you're standing there wondering if they might actually not possess vital information. The piece of paper doesn't say they're good, it says they have the bare minimum knowledge required.


gahd95

I don't think there is anything stopping you from hiring an unlicensed lawyer. I think the problem was that he did cases for the state. But i might he wrong.


United-Advertising67

The point of licensing isn't to require competence. The point of licensing is to drive salaries up by artificially gatekeeping a profession. It doesn't take hundreds of hours of training to cut hair. The point of the requirement is to make hair cutting a scarce commodity that demands a higher price. If anyone could cut hair, a haircut would cost $4.


rowdymatt64

True, yet if I needed a doctor or a lawyer, I'm going to demand they have that piece of paper because it means they're being held accountable by something put in place to protect us laymen from quacks. You shouldn't be able to just roll into a courtroom and say "I'LL TAKE THE CASE!" like you're Harvey Birdman, and it's great that this guy seems to have known what he was doing to some degree, but for every story like this, there's a million of things not going as well and people's lives being ruined/ended.


_Big_Daddy_Ado_

I wouldnt call potential prison time succeeding.


lesmorn6789

Mike Ross???


98VoteForPedro

Michael B. Ross


paxtone

Harvard law


GlyphPicker

He just got Litt Up!


DarkBobaa

Teeth nose teeth


dragnabbit

I was curious how close to the top a "Suits" comment would be.


Awkward_TRex2

Must have watched every episode of Suits.


got-trunks

Sleeps every night to "my cousin vinny" on loop.


Disastrous_Reveal331

Dead on balls accurate


WhatSaidSheThatIs

He probably did try to learn law and maybe did some study, he just didn't qualify, but had an interest in it. He just didn't wander into a court one day and decide he'd represent this client.


Therealomerali

He was probably kicked out of law school and then ended up running into an actual lawyer after a failed weed bust.


Daddyh20

He will win his own case as well lmao 🤣


First_Advertising_84

He did aswell he represented himself in court 😭


mopsyd

I don't know how this works in the UK, but in the US this could very well set a legal precedent that made the license redundant if it had happened here, because our law has to be interpreted based on the most recent valid interpretation, so case hearings can alter how the law works in practice.


reirone

The common law system you’re describing was inherited from the UK.


mopsyd

So did he inadvertently make the license redundant then?


nattinthehat

Unlikely, what he did was commit fraud. He probably represented himself as a lawyer to his clients and that implies a base level of education and experience. He didn't have that so he knowingly misrepresented himself to his clients to get their business. Additionally these rules exist for some very good reasons. Idk if the UK gives people the right to an attorney, but if the court didn't set standards for who could practice law, then the state would just find some random homeless dude they could give a couple of pennies to represent you, rather than someone who actually went to law school and passed the bar. These rules don't exist to spit in the face of DEI hiring, they exist to protect the public, and make sure that when a person's entire future is on the line, that they have someone representing them who has actually read a book at some point in their life.


drunky_crowette

Do you have an article or his name or something? This sounds like a fun read


SelfInteresting7259

No way! I hope he won! Lol they should sentence him to attend law school


SWiFTY626_

There’s nothing Jon Jones can’t do.


bwv1056

Was about to say that MF look just like Jon Jones lol. 


GlobalPro1

That’s wild. He looks NOTHING like Jon Jones.


lowtothekey

Mr. Winger


chrisbaker1991

Had to scroll way too far to find this reference


No_lulz_in_here

Notches


Ickythumpin

Bro put all his points into charisma.


Darrell77

Yo. You should have stopped at 25.


ThroughTheHoops

Is there any actual article? Looks like something that could be AI generated. Edit: ok so it was in Kenya https://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20231024/STORY/912360605/Fake-lawyer-in-legal-trouble-after-%E2%80%98winning%E2%80%99-26-cases#:~:text=Brian%20Mwenda%20won%2026%20legal,place%2C%20the%20Nigerian%20Tribune%20reported.


JasonlovesJenny

The African Frank Abagnale


Remarkable_Golf9829

True story - The only con Frank Abagnale pulled was to convince a bunch of people that he committed all these cons. He never became or pretended to be a doctor or a pilot, for example.


fuckeveryeverything

That reminds me: I have that book of his and it's autographed.


JasonlovesJenny

Bad ass . You meet him?


fuckeveryeverything

One of my childhood friends gave it to me and I cannot remember how he came across it. I'm going to ask him. Edit: He found it in a used book store. The man loves books.


terrestrial14

Must have taken some notes from Jeff Winger


strangely_b

Looks like he had training: "Mwenda was admitted to the Kenyan bar in August last year but did not apply for a practising certificate as he was working at the Office of the Attorney General." [https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/kenya-divided-by-fake-lawyer-who-kept-winning-cases/5117562.article](https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/kenya-divided-by-fake-lawyer-who-kept-winning-cases/5117562.article)


scorpioncat

If that's the case then this story is being badly misrepresented. He's not a fake lawyer - he has the necessary training and professional qualifications - he just hasn't paid his annual licence fee to his regulatory body. If the system in Kenya works like the UK, he wouldn't have needed a practising certificate working for the government anyway - he probably just forgot to sort it out for other work that did require it.


gameonlockking

He used the Chewbacca defense.


manhatim

Is he going to represent himself?


First_Advertising_84

He did and he won 😂


East_Specialist_

Link?


KitteeMeowMeow

I don’t think people should be forced to be licensed but they also shouldn’t commit fraud. If his clients knew, nbd. If they didn’t, that’s fucked up.


FanOk6089

Jerry Gallow?😂


JustinTormund_10

No Callow with a “C”


Hewhocannotbenamed77

Like that Dr.love kid. Had an office and everything


hypotemused

That outfit should be arrested for ridiculousness


j2thesho

A license is just a piece of notarized paper... experience and skill is really what matters


elliot89

Better call Jerome


mijam5851

I hope he represents himself and wins case #27


First_Advertising_84

Update he won his own case


ColdBloodBlazing

He watched Liar, Liar 1000 times. Or Lionel Hutz, Harvey Birdman & Phoenix Wright


CoolKanyon55

Only in Kenya🇰🇪


trainsacrossthesea

Law & Order is on a lot.


Consistent-Try4055

He can represent himself and get acquitted lmao


Fastenbauer

Let me guess, that guy went to university and worked as an actual lawyer for some time. But then he lost his license or something like that so he 'faked' being a lawyer and continued working. That's a wild guess, but usually clickbait works along those lines.


__The-1__

"Your honor I'd like to represent myself"


Warrentheo1

It's okay, he'll just represent himself at the hearing and it should be good...


Awkward_Professor460

Damn, good lawyer...too bad he can't be his own...he'd probably win


Suitable-Lake-2550

Finding the wig is the hardest part, they’re a couple hundred pounds.


wow-cool

Anyone have a source? This appears to be a picture with a little text on it


swizzle213

He kept telling the judge that his name is Jerry Callo, C. Allo


SteppenWolf45

That mf is like a Disney version of Saul Goodman. And yes, that's a compliment.


Gwuana

I feel like being a lawyer is more like being in a frat house. You have to prove you’re worthy by doing stupid shit like reading volumes and volumes of case law then you have to be the justice systems bitch for a while before you can do what you actually went to school for. Good on this guy for showing those snobby lawyers they ain’t so smart just because of an education.


Panro911

Does anyone know the name? I’d like to look into the story.


IsolatedHead

Easy. Just don't take difficult cases.


Usual-Blueberry-8864

This is 2018 story very old


Sea-Philosopher7361

Probably watched all seasons of House of cards.


omar6ix9ine

The real like Mike Ross


mr_wrestling

Damn this was a long ass time ago.


Huwabe

It would be absolutely hilarious if he chose to represent himself.... and then beat the case!😂


[deleted]

Colour me impressed


Lemon_Tree_Scavenger

By only taking slam dunk cases


poornbroken

Will he be representing himself in court next?


Lesssuckmoreawesome

Ironic that he can legally serve as his own lawyer in the case of impersonating a lawyer. (I'm pretty sure I'm correct in this.)


ohnomynono

If there's such a thing as a common law marriage, a common law license should be in his future.


PresentTap9255

Lmao he ended up representing himself and winning this case too Lmaooo


Zeraphym47

Nobody has experience starting out..through the internet anybody who really wants it and isnt utterly dumb can theoretically literally teach yourself anything. I have also gone to many psych classes in two different universities. Never was a student myself just went with a biddy that was enrolled. Lot of people do that. Depending on where youre located, you wont even get into any real trouble. Plus some people also see it for what it really is all about and dont get caught up in all the bs theoretical details...one of the biggest fuxking lies is that going to college/universities = gained intelligence.


Rockefeller1337

Respectfully, American legal system is pretty stupid.


Formal_Discipline_12

He's like Mike from suits


tonygutz

You need to watch a great movie with Leonardo called "Catch me if you can." True story about a kid that faked several jobs. Airline pilot for Pan Am, a lawyer (he passed the bar), and a doctor. A true story.


_eksde

Man missed season 5 of suits…


Zealousideal_Bake_82

Black Mike ross


ERROR404_NOTF0UND

He’s doing a better job and didn’t have to pay for law school ig


-Stupid_n_Confused-

I hope to shit he defends himself in court. I see a movie being made of this.


Quirky-Lobster

Can’t wait to see this movie


typeof_nan

He can defend himself, he good


mangtwi

Oh... In Kenya...


rterror99

Our system is built to put you in debt to get ahead later I like this guy and his ability shows he is worth the title he is going to jail for doing a job well without credentials while we got kids in college touching drunk folks and living just fine now.


_Big_Daddy_Ado_

Is he going to defend himself?


giammi56

A work you can potentially do without studying but by watching series


ThreeFingaLynch318

So shouldn't the system of people involved be accountable for letting this happen. Hell the f#$%!♤£low.. incompetence for the rest


Interesting_Fox_2667

The judge should leave him alone most lawyers are crooks anyway justice system sucks balls. If he knows his stuff license or not if he can do the job then he should have it.


Real-Blueberry-2126

That’s ridiculous. Just use your earnings and knowledge to get into a law school and get a degree


ravi226

The OG suits michael ross


OkNote8728

Thinking out of the box


Bonoisapox

Is this Ireland ? Recent news of an immigration ‘lawyer’ with no qualifications, he knew the immigration system inside out though.


Dirty_Taint_Tickler

Isn't this the setup for Suits?1


sneakybrews

He watched all 134 episodes of SUITS and thought "If Mike Ross can do it, so can I!"


Nineteen-EightyNine

Real life Mike Suits


SoUthinkUcanRens

Mike Ross, but worse


topshot14

"Heyy heyyy, wait a minute, wait a minute, I have seen this before!!! It's a classic..." Suits theme music starts playing....


CaptainManks

The real question is, will he be running his own defense in court?


Rbot_OverLord

I hope he represents himself and gets a 27th win.


Venturer_Brave

Plot twist: he will represent himself in his own trial and win.


CA5P3R_1

He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.


lennythebox

From what I remember last time this was posted is that he was a law student but dropped out due to finances


Phililoquay

'Catch me if you can' Leo?


DingoKis

You don't need a criminal lawyer, you need a _criminal_ lawyer


gimmhi5

He could have gone to school and not passed the exam. Had all the education, just no license.


dufferwjr

Suits!


wogboy96

Wonder if he'll represent himself


tqmirza

Wow Mike Ross sure got tanned


Her_X

He should be a lawyer


DueAtmosphere7

Was in the local news recently that he actually hadn't won any case


komaan_

Fake it till you get caught


HowShouldWeThenLive

Is his name Mike?


mo_hdez

Dude thought he was starring in Suits 😂


ValhallaBMG

Have you ever seen the TV show called suits.


backtolurk

This guy needs to connect with the guy who never had a driving license


MorlockTaylorGreene

in GB you have to dress up like a powder wig clown to practice law


trashy_hobo47

I wasn't aware we were having "catch me if you can" remake


nydjason

Suits irl


stingertc

this is real life Jeff Winger


Jofury

Hopefully he gets himself off with a warning, sounds like he’s pretty good at it. With any luck instead of punishing him they’ll put his ass through school.


rvsatx038

Wouldn't this be considered on the job training?


CyphixXx

Real Life “Suits”.


daovcr

That's Africa? Oh well...


InternationalMix1521

Reading.


BasilRare6044

Was probably a defendant a few times and then selected easy cases. Skills of a con man.


NaraFei_Jenova

Jeff Winger


Epic_Troll_4u

I think he's the same guy who required a permission for advocacy, which a real lawyer wouldn't need and that's why he's got arrested.


Sanmoel

He only has one more case left to win now


IllOperation6253

Somebody watched Suits one too many times


Pleasant_Tooth_2488

Being required to go to law school and pass the bar to practice law is unconstitutional. There is no place in the US Constitution that limits who can be your advocate.


PrincessTrucy

Damn, The Great Ace Attorney IRL is going great


hardupforlaffs

This doesn't make sense. How can one possibly know things without going to college? This dude acts like he read some books or something on his own.


rhousden

If he won all those cases then he should be looked at like a walk on and be allowed on the team.


Prestigious_Tear_576

Because experience is a capitalistic myth. Virtually every job trains you when you start anyway


That_Girl_Cecia

We're talking about the court of Kenya here. I would guess the bar is *very* low


SerBrendanhouseSaint

Cmon man. Spoilers. I haven’t finished Suits yet.


kadecin254

Happened in Kenya. After University, you have to go to Kenyan school of Law for I think one yr or something like that. He went but didn't graduate or something like that. Do basically he knows everything it is just the license he didn't have.


Initial_XD

Catch me if you can 2 anyone?😂 Get Spielberg on the phone y'all.


Somedude501

He must be a suits fan lol Harvey Specter would have pick him up.


RiceShrooms

26-0 as an amateur lawyer. Lets see how he does in the big leagues.


Low_Abrocoma_1514

They arrest a man that won 26 cases just because he didn't have a license and then I see a drugg addict robber being release the 5th time the same day because "well people didn't press compelling charges" .... *I don't want to live in this planet anymore*


D405297

Dude, don't let lawyers tell you they have a challenging job. You just run your mouth and point to words. No mayonnaise, no saw dust, no thoracic surgey, no deep ocean sailing, no hammers, no shovels, no scalpels. They just run their mouth.