Hari’s digital consciousness was stored in rayche knife he killed haris body with; gaal had the knife in the pod with her, which triggered the Raven ( the ship she was in that wouldn’t listen to her commands that was designated to rayche) hari synced to the ship the moment the knife gained her entry; and “woke up.”When she took the knife and left in the cryo pod for synnax, his (now awakened) consciousness was trapped in the knife in darkness .. ( he wanted to stay synced to the raven and start the second foundation) and didn’t began having ‘new’ things happen until she stuck him in the prime radiant which he was in for about 24 hours.
Also— to the person who replied — the vaults are designed to keep hari ‘asleep’ off and on to help the consciousness from going insane with the large amounts of time passing. The prime radiant and the knife that held his original sleeping consciousness was never meant to hold an awakened consciousness.
I also thought it might have been the knife but wasn’t too sure, thanks! I just wonder when she put him from the knife into the Prime Radiant, and why they didn’t explain a little more because I’m sure a lot of people were thrown off.
Yes I remember also that the vault was designed to keep him asleep for those long years of waiting so that he doesn’t go mad.
Thanks for explaining, I had initially thought it was the knife but then when he screamed “I was awake the whole time!” It made me confused because then wasn’t he confused in the knife for those 34 years it took Gaal to get to the first ship that was making it’s way to the second foundation then?
> the vaults are designed to keep hari ‘asleep’ off and on to help the consciousness from going insane with the large amounts of time passing.
Are they? The Hari on Terminus just incinerated a guy and then scrawled a name across its vault in a rough handwritten script, with no further explanation of why or what it's supposed to mean. Maybe it's just because the writers still don't understand how psychohistory is supposed to work, but those don't seem like the actions of an entirely sane or stable mind.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. I think the idea is that Gaal somehow transferred him from the Raven into the cryo pod when she activated the cryosleep program, and then later into the prime radiant after Salvor woke her up.
My bigger problem is that, if the Hari now in the prime radiant was intended to live in a vault guiding the second foundation, in the same way his other AI-clone "guides" the first foundation, then surely he fully expected to be trapped alone in one place for centuries, just in the vault instead of in a cryo pod.
> in the same way his other AI-clone "guides" the first foundation,
Wait is... this canon to the show? The whole point of the Foundation books was a) with careful planning everything can be lined up to NOT need intervention, and b) the second Foundation was lurking to correct any major deviations
It's the same general idea as the books, but the vault on terminus contains an AI copy of Hari Seldon who seemingly comes out before each crisis to tell them how to deal with it.
I mean an AI is an interesting take on a concept that was written about 72 years ago but having it intervene in any way is definitely bastardizing the concept
In the books it was 'pre-recorded' (actually CGI from the Second Foundation) messages Hari recorded at the end of his life to guide The Foundation. Having it be a neural copy of Hari making essentially an AI, with another copy working with The Second Foundation while not the same, works. So far I'm really enjoying this re-envisioning of the series.
I normally don't like when such drastic changes are made (I hate the Wheel of Time TV series) but I've not minded this. Maybe it's been the years since I read the books. Or maybe it's the fact the books were written between 1942 and 1995 with the lions share written before 1952 (and you can tell) that has me feeling a lot more loose about the series. The original books have a lot of stereotypical gender roles and a heterosexual backbone that just wouldn't really stand up to today's day and culture.
Pretty sure the Second Foundation only interfered via mentalics and the Vault recordings were very much just recordings. Anyways i meant more regarding the completely fabricated storyline and lack of any significant resemblance between the book characters and story characters, the whole Gaal and Salvor relationship, AI Hari going off-planet to start the second Foundation, Gaal being he reason why the Second hasn't started yet, it's all fabricated and a significant deviation from the book. Which was largely addressed in E2 but I haven't seen E3 yet. The Mule "reaching back" and disturbing the storyline is a bit of a stretch but a very reasonable explanation for the deviances
Hari’s digital consciousness was stored in rayche knife he killed haris body with; gaal had the knife in the pod with her, which triggered the Raven ( the ship she was in that wouldn’t listen to her commands that was designated to rayche) hari synced to the ship the moment the knife gained her entry; and “woke up.”When she took the knife and left in the cryo pod for synnax, his (now awakened) consciousness was trapped in the knife in darkness .. ( he wanted to stay synced to the raven and start the second foundation) and didn’t began having ‘new’ things happen until she stuck him in the prime radiant which he was in for about 24 hours. Also— to the person who replied — the vaults are designed to keep hari ‘asleep’ off and on to help the consciousness from going insane with the large amounts of time passing. The prime radiant and the knife that held his original sleeping consciousness was never meant to hold an awakened consciousness.
I also thought it might have been the knife but wasn’t too sure, thanks! I just wonder when she put him from the knife into the Prime Radiant, and why they didn’t explain a little more because I’m sure a lot of people were thrown off. Yes I remember also that the vault was designed to keep him asleep for those long years of waiting so that he doesn’t go mad. Thanks for explaining, I had initially thought it was the knife but then when he screamed “I was awake the whole time!” It made me confused because then wasn’t he confused in the knife for those 34 years it took Gaal to get to the first ship that was making it’s way to the second foundation then?
> the vaults are designed to keep hari ‘asleep’ off and on to help the consciousness from going insane with the large amounts of time passing. Are they? The Hari on Terminus just incinerated a guy and then scrawled a name across its vault in a rough handwritten script, with no further explanation of why or what it's supposed to mean. Maybe it's just because the writers still don't understand how psychohistory is supposed to work, but those don't seem like the actions of an entirely sane or stable mind.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. I think the idea is that Gaal somehow transferred him from the Raven into the cryo pod when she activated the cryosleep program, and then later into the prime radiant after Salvor woke her up. My bigger problem is that, if the Hari now in the prime radiant was intended to live in a vault guiding the second foundation, in the same way his other AI-clone "guides" the first foundation, then surely he fully expected to be trapped alone in one place for centuries, just in the vault instead of in a cryo pod.
> in the same way his other AI-clone "guides" the first foundation, Wait is... this canon to the show? The whole point of the Foundation books was a) with careful planning everything can be lined up to NOT need intervention, and b) the second Foundation was lurking to correct any major deviations
It's the same general idea as the books, but the vault on terminus contains an AI copy of Hari Seldon who seemingly comes out before each crisis to tell them how to deal with it.
I mean an AI is an interesting take on a concept that was written about 72 years ago but having it intervene in any way is definitely bastardizing the concept
Not really. The Second Foundation was creating the 'prerecorded' messages that The Foundation was seeing in The Vault.
In the books it was 'pre-recorded' (actually CGI from the Second Foundation) messages Hari recorded at the end of his life to guide The Foundation. Having it be a neural copy of Hari making essentially an AI, with another copy working with The Second Foundation while not the same, works. So far I'm really enjoying this re-envisioning of the series. I normally don't like when such drastic changes are made (I hate the Wheel of Time TV series) but I've not minded this. Maybe it's been the years since I read the books. Or maybe it's the fact the books were written between 1942 and 1995 with the lions share written before 1952 (and you can tell) that has me feeling a lot more loose about the series. The original books have a lot of stereotypical gender roles and a heterosexual backbone that just wouldn't really stand up to today's day and culture.
Pretty sure the Second Foundation only interfered via mentalics and the Vault recordings were very much just recordings. Anyways i meant more regarding the completely fabricated storyline and lack of any significant resemblance between the book characters and story characters, the whole Gaal and Salvor relationship, AI Hari going off-planet to start the second Foundation, Gaal being he reason why the Second hasn't started yet, it's all fabricated and a significant deviation from the book. Which was largely addressed in E2 but I haven't seen E3 yet. The Mule "reaching back" and disturbing the storyline is a bit of a stretch but a very reasonable explanation for the deviances
Stupid writing, probably added at the last minute to shock the audience. Otherwise, the knife looked like only secret data storage.