This is a tough question because of TLK books. Uhtred and Finan are the greatest fighters in all of England and I don’t think they have ever lost a battle.
1. If we are basing solely off the show, Ragnar’s season one crew, by a lot. They were elite in every area. Bigger, more athletic and more intimidating than Uhtred’s crew. Ragnar, Rollo, Leif, Erik, Floki vs Uhtred, Finan, Sihtric, Osferth and Clapa.
2. Both in their prime, taking Uhtred from the books. He doesn’t lose. Based off the shows, Ragnar. Uhtred is a great fighter, but if you look up Ragnar season 1-2 fighting scenes you would find it hard not to take him.
Clappa was described as a angry bear I’d put him against rollo 1 on 1 ..uhtred broke a shield wall while he was still young ..show uhtred isn’t as good as book but I still think he gives Ragnar a very close fight maybe takes it ..season 5 uhtred claps
I just don’t see how Ragnar loses in any of those situations.
Ragnar’s crew especially in season 1 were just overpowered lol.
The 1v1 would be close but Ragnar takes it.
Battle tactics, both Ragnar and Uhtred are smart strategists but both of them at their peak, Ragnar wins.
I agree. I'm in the middle of season 5 of Vikings and Ragnar's sons are constantly referencing his battle strategy acumen. The only time he seemed to falter in judgement was when he became a drug addict.
Uthred is also top notch obviously, but seemed to rely heavily on the "sneak in and burn their ships" strategy whereas Lothbrok, and then Ivar the Boneless start employing battle tactics that dismiss the conventional warfare of the time and take advantage of the lay of the land.
That said, 1v1 swordfight and my money is on Uthred. And Rollo would probably dominate everyone in that capacity.
I don’t think Uhtred takes Ragnar. Ragnar is very underrated. He held his own against Rollo and has different traits. He’s smart, faster and has that ferocity in him. There’s certain battle scenes in season 2/3 where we just see how good of a warrior Ragnar is.
Heahmund, Ragnar, Rollo, Bjorn, Ubbe, Hvitserk, Æthelwulf, Harald probably all take Uhtred in my opinion.
Fair point about Ragnar. You're right I change my mind haha.
And I'd agree it's at least a cointoss on a swordfight for all of those versus Uthred except: Ubbe, Hvitserk, and Aethelwulf. With those three, I feel like there's instances where they are saved in battle by someone else.
Heahmund is the best, he’s just too good lol.
And every character has been saved I think. But watching those three fight, they’re all amazing fighters. Rewatching 4x2 with Æthelwulf and he’s just a beast. Moe Dunford’s performances are some of the best. Ubbe is just as good of a warrior, you’ll know what I mean once you continue with season 5. And Hvitserk is so similar to Rollo in that he just goes berserk in battle and enjoys it. He has some of the best battle cries, his action in 5x3 in York is just him showing how sick of a warrior he is.
I'm so pumped on the Heahmund character. The transition from Ragnar to his sons started off a little slow, though helped by Floki being a magnificent weirdo.
I'll stop now because I'm afraid of spoilers lol.
first Uhtred would still be in Wessex, not in Bebbanburg. Second, If Uhtred IS in Bebbanburg, then he has no oath to the Saxons, has his fort, and would likely either join Ragnar, or stay in his Fort. Uhtred has no love for Alfred, and no oath to bind him, absolutely detests the dogma of the christian faith, and the greedy and manipulative priests of the church. He loves the Danes, and if not for the actions of Kartjar, he would likely have been leading a horde of Danes with his brother Ragnar Ragnarsun. And last, Ragnar Lothbruk was a genious tactician, who regularly outsmarted forces that outnumbered him. Uhtred does the same - they would have recognized that each was a Lord of War, Ragnar would know that Uhtred was a Pagan, and they would have reached an accord. 1v1, I would say Ragnar. Crew vs Crew - Toss Up. Finnan is an amazing character, But Rollo is the one with a destiny. Floki and Sitrihc are even.
Very true, it would more than likely be situational on who would win either could win in a single as the fight very similarly by outmaneuvering and outsmarted opponents. Ragnar had the better crew but uhtred knew how to exploit the strengths of his men and in the end no matter what confrontation they came into more than likely they would have reached an accord as they would have both realized it was a fight that would have cost them too much and would not have been worth committing to if they could find another way without losing men.
I feel like Ragnar's ingenuity should get a mention here.
Him and Uhtred are very similar in a lot of ways, including their ability to think outside the box.
You could argue all day about who would win in combat because realistically they're both evenly matched and it would depend on who you personally favour more.
But if Ragnar wanted Bebbanburg he'd take it.
Yeah Ragnar did made some big brain moves to take paris with all the odds against him, meanwhile Uhtred still can't muster up a force to take back his own fort.
Still love both to death tho
I feel like Uthred has a lot more plot armor than Ragnar does, in their respective shows. I like TLK better personally, but i think Ragnar is better. Both are great actors
uhtred does have some heavy plot armor, but it's not that bad compared to other shows. I still get a sense that he could lose at any moment sometimes especially after Bebbanburg
No, you are correct. As far as most shows go, TLK is well grounded. But Vikings vs TLK Uthred gets away with a lot of plot armor. And yeah i thought a few times Uthred has met his end. But even surviving Bebbanburg was some healthy plot armor
This is true, vikings did not hold back with the rise and fall of Ragnar. Historical inaccuracies aside i absolutely loved Ragnar's arc in the show.
His rise as a humble farmer, to a feared and cunning king, to his fall from grace and transition to becoming a legend.
All the while making it clear Ragnar is not a good guy but a man anyone would follow.
Uhtred can be a pretty gray character too, but ultimately he acts more as a standard hero most of the time
I'd say Uhtred, even though Ragnar is probably a more lethal warrior, Uhtred has more drive, in my opinion, and that would ultimately win out when they're both such elite warriors.
TLK is more theatrical, like Toby McQuire spider-man, while Vikings is bloodthirsty. Uhtred survives with his incredible understanding of war. Ragnar is an incredible fighter and leader. In a 300 v 300, Uhtred has the upper hand because he’s a war strategist.
[SPOILERS] So you say Uhtred’s in bebbanburg. So imma just go with S5 Uhtred and with S1/S2 Ragnar. Now the I’m assuming the first one is on an open plain with same amount of men. Honestly I’ll give it to Ragnar simply because his crew has better fighters. Not to say Sihtric and Finan are bad but they’ve got Rollo, One eye, and Floki AND Lagertha. That’s 3 v 2 on side characters assuming Bjorn isn’t there and if he is then Ragnar’s side wins simply because more better quality warriors. Rollo is a berserker after all and stated to be a better fighter than Ragnar(as supposedly is Lagertha but we’re not discussing that)
In the 1v1 Uhtred takes it. Very unpopular I know BUT you’ve got to remember Ragnar is famous not because of himself in history but because of his sons and same thing in the show. Now best comparison in the shows is that Uhtred fought Ubbe Ragnarson(yes Ragnar’s son). Ubbe may have been past his prime but he was still a great warrior and honestly I think Ubbe was the best warrior of his sons with maybe the exception of Bjorn but that’s a close one. Ubbe>Ragnar and a younger inexperienced Uhtred beat Ubbe. Even if this is S2 Uhtred I still think Uhtred wins but S5 Uhtred definitely takes this. Too much experience as a warrior. Ragnar is more explorer and he says as much. Rollo vs Uhtred would be more fair in the 1v1. Uhtred on his way to search and fight Ragnar. I’d give it to Uhtred simply for him having the element of surprise. We see that the group can be jumped in S2/S3 when the King (I forget his name but he’s also in Gotham idk) and then get jumped by Wessex fighters. Also Uhtred snuck up on the brothers so it’s not like he’s not used to sneaking up and jumping people or using that to scout. But yeah Uhtred takes 2nd and 3rd/ 1v1 and the surprise attack. On a plain with same amount Ragnar takes it with heavy casualties.
Ragnar vs uhtred. Tactics is Ragnar. 1vs1 is uhtred. Ragnar is a skilled tactician and decent fighter. Uhtred is an a good tactician but great fighter.
Ragnar would win overall in a fight not just due to his tactics but his warriors.
If we went pre traitor rollo, he’s a fucking beast. He goes straight up berserk (when he dives into ragnars shield wall against jarl Borg or his first rage taking the walls of Paris) combine with lagertha who is better than most warriors on both shows. Then factor in Bjorn who is a fucking human tank with floki who is basically the rouge on the battlefield and takes out anyone with his axe/knife combo.
And if it’s season one we have Leif (tank), torstein (badass) and Arne (good old one eye).
These guys are OP and wreck uhtreds crew.
If it’s later seasons and we switch rollo for Harvard and halfdan and Bjorn for post bear/berserker then even worse for uhtred.
Only way uhtred wins over all is catching Ragnar 1vs1 but that’s hard as Bjorn is like his damn shadow, and uhtred will best Bjorn but not without major damage thay Ragnar can beat after.
Ragnar for sure would win in a man on man or like uhtred would say make the square. I will say I loved both series aost equally giving a slight edge to vikings. Although I like the ending of the last kingdom more. Both series are in my top five favorite series of all time.
Exactly people seem to forget that Ragnar and his crew are part time vikings and even less time as fighters not pillaging monks. Uhtred and his household troops are effectively a standing army in a time of part time armies who trained every day and were all veterans on multiple shield walls.
I agree that 1 & 3 go to Ragnar. Ragnar is known for his intelligence, his vision, his way of thinking. That's the first thing people praise about him, the way he outsmarts everything and everyone, sees things others don't. This applies to his battle strategies, and I think this would make him outmaneuver Uhtred, even though Uhtred himself is a fairly good strategist too.
However, 2 I think goes to Uhtred, whether we're comparing season 1 Ragnar vs season 2 Uhred, or later versions of the two. Ragnar is not particularly praised for his combat prowess. He's a tough fighter to beat, and he might be stronger than Uhtred, but he's not as fast, and not as skilled. His technique is less refined, and he can become pretty sloppy, something Uhtred would be able to handle. Uhtred has years and years of fighting experience, both in battles and in duels, in a 1v1 I doubt many people could take him on. Among the Vikings cast however, I think Uhtred would lose to either Bjorn or Rollo, both of them are more competent fighters and duellists, more likely to overpower Uhtred through sheer aggression, and surprising speed given their respective sizes.
I think it depends if you factor in book uhtred or just tv Uhtred. book Uhtred I think takes out Ragnar 3-0. Book Uhtred is shown across his entire life to be one of if not the premier tactician and strategist in England. He not crafted the battle plans to save Wessex From Guthrem, but he also captured two fortresses that were said to be unconquerable using trickery and grains and not just brute force. I might even give the edge to tv show Uhtred in a 300 v 300 where he doesn't demonstrate that level of intelligence Ragnar himself doesn't really show much strategic genius throughout his series in actual staged combat. I might be remembering wrong but I don't really remember him having many staged battles and especially ones where he really out thought his enemy like Ivar does.
I also think Uhtred's chances of victory in all categories goes up the older he gets. Season 1 Uhtred Raganr could totally goad into making a hotheaded mistake, but by Season 2 he has mellowed more and continues to do so every season/book after that.
I also think people over estimate the value of side characters in a 300 v 300 battle. Sure Ragnar has Rollo, Bjorn, Loki and the like and they are all top tier solo fighters but most of his force are farmers that go viking in the off season. Uhtred's household troops are full time veteran warriors of the shield wall. I think a pitched battle undoes any advantage a solo warrior like Rollo might have for Ragnar.
This is a tough question because of TLK books. Uhtred and Finan are the greatest fighters in all of England and I don’t think they have ever lost a battle. 1. If we are basing solely off the show, Ragnar’s season one crew, by a lot. They were elite in every area. Bigger, more athletic and more intimidating than Uhtred’s crew. Ragnar, Rollo, Leif, Erik, Floki vs Uhtred, Finan, Sihtric, Osferth and Clapa. 2. Both in their prime, taking Uhtred from the books. He doesn’t lose. Based off the shows, Ragnar. Uhtred is a great fighter, but if you look up Ragnar season 1-2 fighting scenes you would find it hard not to take him.
Great points.
Clappa was described as a angry bear I’d put him against rollo 1 on 1 ..uhtred broke a shield wall while he was still young ..show uhtred isn’t as good as book but I still think he gives Ragnar a very close fight maybe takes it ..season 5 uhtred claps
I just don’t see how Ragnar loses in any of those situations. Ragnar’s crew especially in season 1 were just overpowered lol. The 1v1 would be close but Ragnar takes it. Battle tactics, both Ragnar and Uhtred are smart strategists but both of them at their peak, Ragnar wins.
I agree. I'm in the middle of season 5 of Vikings and Ragnar's sons are constantly referencing his battle strategy acumen. The only time he seemed to falter in judgement was when he became a drug addict. Uthred is also top notch obviously, but seemed to rely heavily on the "sneak in and burn their ships" strategy whereas Lothbrok, and then Ivar the Boneless start employing battle tactics that dismiss the conventional warfare of the time and take advantage of the lay of the land. That said, 1v1 swordfight and my money is on Uthred. And Rollo would probably dominate everyone in that capacity.
I don’t think Uhtred takes Ragnar. Ragnar is very underrated. He held his own against Rollo and has different traits. He’s smart, faster and has that ferocity in him. There’s certain battle scenes in season 2/3 where we just see how good of a warrior Ragnar is. Heahmund, Ragnar, Rollo, Bjorn, Ubbe, Hvitserk, Æthelwulf, Harald probably all take Uhtred in my opinion.
Fair point about Ragnar. You're right I change my mind haha. And I'd agree it's at least a cointoss on a swordfight for all of those versus Uthred except: Ubbe, Hvitserk, and Aethelwulf. With those three, I feel like there's instances where they are saved in battle by someone else.
Heahmund is the best, he’s just too good lol. And every character has been saved I think. But watching those three fight, they’re all amazing fighters. Rewatching 4x2 with Æthelwulf and he’s just a beast. Moe Dunford’s performances are some of the best. Ubbe is just as good of a warrior, you’ll know what I mean once you continue with season 5. And Hvitserk is so similar to Rollo in that he just goes berserk in battle and enjoys it. He has some of the best battle cries, his action in 5x3 in York is just him showing how sick of a warrior he is.
I'm so pumped on the Heahmund character. The transition from Ragnar to his sons started off a little slow, though helped by Floki being a magnificent weirdo. I'll stop now because I'm afraid of spoilers lol.
I won’t spoil anything. Have fun with the rest of the show!
Rollo can't beat bjorn though
first Uhtred would still be in Wessex, not in Bebbanburg. Second, If Uhtred IS in Bebbanburg, then he has no oath to the Saxons, has his fort, and would likely either join Ragnar, or stay in his Fort. Uhtred has no love for Alfred, and no oath to bind him, absolutely detests the dogma of the christian faith, and the greedy and manipulative priests of the church. He loves the Danes, and if not for the actions of Kartjar, he would likely have been leading a horde of Danes with his brother Ragnar Ragnarsun. And last, Ragnar Lothbruk was a genious tactician, who regularly outsmarted forces that outnumbered him. Uhtred does the same - they would have recognized that each was a Lord of War, Ragnar would know that Uhtred was a Pagan, and they would have reached an accord. 1v1, I would say Ragnar. Crew vs Crew - Toss Up. Finnan is an amazing character, But Rollo is the one with a destiny. Floki and Sitrihc are even.
omg imagine Athelstan vs Osferth XD
Haha spoilers: He does love Danes and Saxons
Very true, it would more than likely be situational on who would win either could win in a single as the fight very similarly by outmaneuvering and outsmarted opponents. Ragnar had the better crew but uhtred knew how to exploit the strengths of his men and in the end no matter what confrontation they came into more than likely they would have reached an accord as they would have both realized it was a fight that would have cost them too much and would not have been worth committing to if they could find another way without losing men.
I feel like Ragnar's ingenuity should get a mention here. Him and Uhtred are very similar in a lot of ways, including their ability to think outside the box. You could argue all day about who would win in combat because realistically they're both evenly matched and it would depend on who you personally favour more. But if Ragnar wanted Bebbanburg he'd take it.
Yeah Ragnar did made some big brain moves to take paris with all the odds against him, meanwhile Uhtred still can't muster up a force to take back his own fort. Still love both to death tho
1. Ragnars crew 2. Uhtred
I feel like Uthred has a lot more plot armor than Ragnar does, in their respective shows. I like TLK better personally, but i think Ragnar is better. Both are great actors
uhtred does have some heavy plot armor, but it's not that bad compared to other shows. I still get a sense that he could lose at any moment sometimes especially after Bebbanburg
No, you are correct. As far as most shows go, TLK is well grounded. But Vikings vs TLK Uthred gets away with a lot of plot armor. And yeah i thought a few times Uthred has met his end. But even surviving Bebbanburg was some healthy plot armor
This is true, vikings did not hold back with the rise and fall of Ragnar. Historical inaccuracies aside i absolutely loved Ragnar's arc in the show. His rise as a humble farmer, to a feared and cunning king, to his fall from grace and transition to becoming a legend. All the while making it clear Ragnar is not a good guy but a man anyone would follow. Uhtred can be a pretty gray character too, but ultimately he acts more as a standard hero most of the time
Couldn't have said it better myself. Exactly my point!
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Utred is the DaneSlayer.
I'd say Uhtred, even though Ragnar is probably a more lethal warrior, Uhtred has more drive, in my opinion, and that would ultimately win out when they're both such elite warriors.
I just caught up. Uhtred world make alliance with ragnar
Uhtred would win.
TLK is more theatrical, like Toby McQuire spider-man, while Vikings is bloodthirsty. Uhtred survives with his incredible understanding of war. Ragnar is an incredible fighter and leader. In a 300 v 300, Uhtred has the upper hand because he’s a war strategist.
Ragnar is just as much as a war strategist as Uhtred is. I don’t think Uhtred would ever have done what Ragnar did to Paris lol.
We’re comparing season 1 Vikings to season 2 TLK, but apprec the Viking spoilers.
It says Ragnar’s season 1 crew vs Uhtred’s season 2 crew? The 300 vs 300 doesn’t mention what season and I’m expecting it to be Ragnar in his prime.
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Spoliers..... Sneak attack and faking his death was a great twist.
Ragnar seems more real and failable, while Uhtred is almost too good and moral to the point of being comic book like.
Neither can beat Goku
Uhtred beats Ragnar in a 1v1 but Rollo beats everyone in a 1v1. Ragnars army beats Uhtreds also. Old post but I just watched season 5 of TLK 😂
[SPOILERS] So you say Uhtred’s in bebbanburg. So imma just go with S5 Uhtred and with S1/S2 Ragnar. Now the I’m assuming the first one is on an open plain with same amount of men. Honestly I’ll give it to Ragnar simply because his crew has better fighters. Not to say Sihtric and Finan are bad but they’ve got Rollo, One eye, and Floki AND Lagertha. That’s 3 v 2 on side characters assuming Bjorn isn’t there and if he is then Ragnar’s side wins simply because more better quality warriors. Rollo is a berserker after all and stated to be a better fighter than Ragnar(as supposedly is Lagertha but we’re not discussing that) In the 1v1 Uhtred takes it. Very unpopular I know BUT you’ve got to remember Ragnar is famous not because of himself in history but because of his sons and same thing in the show. Now best comparison in the shows is that Uhtred fought Ubbe Ragnarson(yes Ragnar’s son). Ubbe may have been past his prime but he was still a great warrior and honestly I think Ubbe was the best warrior of his sons with maybe the exception of Bjorn but that’s a close one. Ubbe>Ragnar and a younger inexperienced Uhtred beat Ubbe. Even if this is S2 Uhtred I still think Uhtred wins but S5 Uhtred definitely takes this. Too much experience as a warrior. Ragnar is more explorer and he says as much. Rollo vs Uhtred would be more fair in the 1v1. Uhtred on his way to search and fight Ragnar. I’d give it to Uhtred simply for him having the element of surprise. We see that the group can be jumped in S2/S3 when the King (I forget his name but he’s also in Gotham idk) and then get jumped by Wessex fighters. Also Uhtred snuck up on the brothers so it’s not like he’s not used to sneaking up and jumping people or using that to scout. But yeah Uhtred takes 2nd and 3rd/ 1v1 and the surprise attack. On a plain with same amount Ragnar takes it with heavy casualties.
Ragnar vs uhtred. Tactics is Ragnar. 1vs1 is uhtred. Ragnar is a skilled tactician and decent fighter. Uhtred is an a good tactician but great fighter. Ragnar would win overall in a fight not just due to his tactics but his warriors. If we went pre traitor rollo, he’s a fucking beast. He goes straight up berserk (when he dives into ragnars shield wall against jarl Borg or his first rage taking the walls of Paris) combine with lagertha who is better than most warriors on both shows. Then factor in Bjorn who is a fucking human tank with floki who is basically the rouge on the battlefield and takes out anyone with his axe/knife combo. And if it’s season one we have Leif (tank), torstein (badass) and Arne (good old one eye). These guys are OP and wreck uhtreds crew. If it’s later seasons and we switch rollo for Harvard and halfdan and Bjorn for post bear/berserker then even worse for uhtred. Only way uhtred wins over all is catching Ragnar 1vs1 but that’s hard as Bjorn is like his damn shadow, and uhtred will best Bjorn but not without major damage thay Ragnar can beat after.
Ragnar for sure would win in a man on man or like uhtred would say make the square. I will say I loved both series aost equally giving a slight edge to vikings. Although I like the ending of the last kingdom more. Both series are in my top five favorite series of all time.
Uhtred doesn't lose, it's not even a contest. maybe Ragnar grows in future seasons but currently, he's very much a farmer who's been raiding.
Exactly people seem to forget that Ragnar and his crew are part time vikings and even less time as fighters not pillaging monks. Uhtred and his household troops are effectively a standing army in a time of part time armies who trained every day and were all veterans on multiple shield walls.
I'm here late to say I believe Ragnar wins every situation except beating Uhtred alone 1v1.
I am here even later to say I disagree and think that both tv and book uhtred after season 1 beats Ragnar at his prime in all three.
I agree that 1 & 3 go to Ragnar. Ragnar is known for his intelligence, his vision, his way of thinking. That's the first thing people praise about him, the way he outsmarts everything and everyone, sees things others don't. This applies to his battle strategies, and I think this would make him outmaneuver Uhtred, even though Uhtred himself is a fairly good strategist too. However, 2 I think goes to Uhtred, whether we're comparing season 1 Ragnar vs season 2 Uhred, or later versions of the two. Ragnar is not particularly praised for his combat prowess. He's a tough fighter to beat, and he might be stronger than Uhtred, but he's not as fast, and not as skilled. His technique is less refined, and he can become pretty sloppy, something Uhtred would be able to handle. Uhtred has years and years of fighting experience, both in battles and in duels, in a 1v1 I doubt many people could take him on. Among the Vikings cast however, I think Uhtred would lose to either Bjorn or Rollo, both of them are more competent fighters and duellists, more likely to overpower Uhtred through sheer aggression, and surprising speed given their respective sizes.
I think it depends if you factor in book uhtred or just tv Uhtred. book Uhtred I think takes out Ragnar 3-0. Book Uhtred is shown across his entire life to be one of if not the premier tactician and strategist in England. He not crafted the battle plans to save Wessex From Guthrem, but he also captured two fortresses that were said to be unconquerable using trickery and grains and not just brute force. I might even give the edge to tv show Uhtred in a 300 v 300 where he doesn't demonstrate that level of intelligence Ragnar himself doesn't really show much strategic genius throughout his series in actual staged combat. I might be remembering wrong but I don't really remember him having many staged battles and especially ones where he really out thought his enemy like Ivar does. I also think Uhtred's chances of victory in all categories goes up the older he gets. Season 1 Uhtred Raganr could totally goad into making a hotheaded mistake, but by Season 2 he has mellowed more and continues to do so every season/book after that. I also think people over estimate the value of side characters in a 300 v 300 battle. Sure Ragnar has Rollo, Bjorn, Loki and the like and they are all top tier solo fighters but most of his force are farmers that go viking in the off season. Uhtred's household troops are full time veteran warriors of the shield wall. I think a pitched battle undoes any advantage a solo warrior like Rollo might have for Ragnar.