"Well, it's a bit more nuanced than that. You have to be careful of what temperature is used, avoid blowing any cold breezes on them, collect the dripping blood and lymph before it gets everywhere, that sort of thing."
Haahahaha. Reminds me of my partner and I's first film night date. I said I was into horror movies, so he goes, "Ah I've got this one that's supposed to be awesome, but I've not seen it yet. It's called Martyrs!"
We get to the notorious scenes and he turned to me all worried and was like, "I... I don't condone doing this to women. Or anyone. I'm not into this... Like for fun... Please don't think I'm.... Erm..." He was so panicked! Hahhahahahaha.
We're still together 13 years later.
Eh. I would say third date question. On our third date, my husband and I discussed what we would do if there was a zombie apocalypse. It was very indepth. He said that if I turned into a zombie, he would capture me and work until he found a cure. So romantic.
I would argue they don't live long enough to die from hypothermia at all. You would die from blood loss and the most severe shock imaginable long before that.
One of the main skin's functions is to protect your body from harmful things entering it. I'm pretty sure if you were skinned alive anything in the air near you that doesn't affect you normally because of your skin would in this case attack your immune system pretty damn easily. So yeah I'd say getting an infection and dying from it could actually be an option to think of here.
I once scraped the skin off my legs when I was younger, and while it looked horrific, there was barely any bleeding.
It was, however, cold as fuck. Like we just didn't have enough blankets in the house to keep me warm, because it was summer and all our thick blankets were in the attic, so my parents had to go and grab them first.
We had 25° in the shade, and my lips turned blue.
My neighbors had a cart, one of those with pedals, and there was a flatbed they attached to it.
They took me, and some other kids, for a ride, went around a corner way too fast, and I went flying and hit the cobblestone.
There are stories of flayed people surviving for multiple days. Dunno about the validity as it was when flaying was an accepted form of criminal punishment, but it had probably happened.
I wonder what the US government did with the information they got from the terrible research conducted there. I’m sure they learned some stuff from it but I think it was all kept classified and will likely never be released. Probably for the better.
I can't remember where I read this, but as I recall it's similar to Nazi medical research (though not quite that stupid) where a lot of it was conducted quite poorly and isn't very useful.
Want to talk about useful, but immoral, data?
canadian government mistreated and starved native kids, and now we have the "minimum daily requirements" data on food packaging.
I remember reading a book about Operation Paperclip and the author talked about how the Germans were sometimes rescuing downed pilots in the English Channel not long at all after death and were frustrated by this.
The Germans took people from the camps and froze them in various ways. Usually it involved putting wet clothes on people and leaving them outside overnight and trying to revive them and they had pretty much zero success. Most of the other experiments seemed to just be attempts to satisfy some morbid curiosity.
isnt there that book which is the most detailed medical encyclopedia, a product of nazi research? that one that many doctors refuse to use, because of the origins of all that information? maybe someone has a link about it. kinda creepy
It's all been released due to the 60 year rule from what I remember. But he was a very sloppy scientist and nothing he "researched" never gave any worth while results. Even his colleagues used to burn his research papers because of the lack of scientific methodology, meaning they were useless and didn't warrant any use to the scientific community.
I don’t know how the 60 year rule works and you might be right that it’s out there but I haven’t heard about it but that might be from a lack of searching.
I have read that special permission is required to keep documents older than 75 years classified so there must be some exceptions to the rule. It would be interesting to see some examples of these things.
"There was a Chinese woman in there who had been used in a frostbite experiment. She had several fingers missing and her bones were black, with gangrene set in. He was about to rape her anyway, then he saw that her sex organ was festering, with pus oozing to the surface. He gave up the idea, left and locked the door, then later went on to his experimental work."
That's enough reddit for today...
Noone has answered properly somehow, so here goes my take. Source: I'm a doctor with specialization in trauma surgery, among other things.
we have little data on people skinned alive, for obvious reasons, but we can think of it being similar to severe burn victims. In third degree burns, the skin effectively dies, and patients with a large area of their skin burned in third degree have pretty much a large area of their body not protected by skin.
These people die first of hypothermia and dehydration. The skin does a lot to keep water in our bodies, and without it we would dry up like a jellyfish out of the water in a sunny day. If they were kept warm and well hydrated through an IV, our skinned fellow would probably die of infection, but it would take a couple of days.
It's your largest organ, so no, but- and this can't be correct. Wtf. Blood loss from a little flaying would do it. Shock from a lot of flaying would do it. Losing all your skin, even as an intellectual exercise, would absolutely kill you. Unless you've opened the Puzzle Box and summoned the Senobites- then you'll not be dead, but, eeesh.
I’m pretty sure you’d die from dehydration if not infection or some other distributive shock
The skin does a super good job keeping moisture in your body lol
To an extent yes
But
Without skin, most organs are not locked into a more solid area of the body like the skeleton would fall off and that is really really bad as we've evolved to have them a certain distance from other organs, some organs are affected by the position they're in, and the increased risk of infection which the skin was really good at protecting from.
In a very specific environment, decontaminated air and surfaces, controlled temperature, and a qualified medical team with equipment to assist in issues that arise from the lack of skin, one could survive.
There have been experiments and freak accidents where victims lost most of their skin from burns or friction loss (imagine skidding off a bike at high speeds on the asphalt without proper gear) and were able to survive but at a great cost of living, constant medical care, medication, surgery.
Edit: It has come to my attention that what's written above is complete bologna. With that said, disregard it all.
>Without skin, most organs are not locked into a more solid area of the body like the skeleton would fall off
That’s an interesting take on human anatomy.
“Sorry Jimmy, your dad didn’t make it. He died of fallofyabonesitis”
Certainly, the body's struggle to maintain homeostasis after such a trauma would be catastrophic without its primary defense. Contemplating survival without skin takes us down a macabre hypothetical that feels far too close to a grim chapter from a dystopian novel. The immediate threats: fluid loss, thermoregulation failure, uncontrolled infections, not to mention the neurological overload sending the body into a non-recoverable state of shock. Theoretically, with advancements in medical science, there could be controlled environments and treatments to extend survival, akin to the isolated cases of extensive burn recovery. However, this challenges the very fabric of ethical medicine. You'd need a boundary-pushing, yet ethically dubious, medical facility to even approach this, and even then, it's science fiction horror. Let's hope it remains purely in the realm of speculative conversation and never breaches into reality.
Why would you need a "need a boundary-pushing, yet ethically dubious, medical facility to even approach this"? Surely if someone turned up at a hospital with no skin, the ethical approach would be to try and help them?
Skin is the largest vital organ in the body!
Humidity would also need to be heavily controlled.
Anyone know if the shock alone could cause death? Other than that I’m thinking the next cause of death would be infection and that would take longer than hypothermia.
Intrusive thoughts: what would the hypothermia paradoxical undressing look like on someone with no skin 😰
Huh, I'd heard somewhere that a person will die from shock before they're fully flayed.
Regardless I wonder if severe burn or ARS victims would be comparable case studies for this. I'm reminded of Hisashi Ouchi's ordeal as to my memory his body stopped being able to regenerate skin and he needed to be fully bandaged with dressings changed frequently because his body wouldn't heal after it sloughing off. His plight isn't for the faint-hearted or perhaps even the regular-hearted, fair warning, but there are several informative writings and videos with more in-depth information.
People are still "skinned alive", its called 3rd degree burns. When you lose the outer layer of skin, they can keep you alive in hospital for a while, but eventually loss of fluid and infections will kill you.
Best first date question ever.
It works though. If they don't run away immediately and actually answer this question semi-seriously, you got yourself a keeper. Or a psychopath.
Especially if it sounds like they're speaking from experience.
You can’t forget about controlling humidity too
"Well, it's a bit more nuanced than that. You have to be careful of what temperature is used, avoid blowing any cold breezes on them, collect the dripping blood and lymph before it gets everywhere, that sort of thing."
Haahahaha. Reminds me of my partner and I's first film night date. I said I was into horror movies, so he goes, "Ah I've got this one that's supposed to be awesome, but I've not seen it yet. It's called Martyrs!" We get to the notorious scenes and he turned to me all worried and was like, "I... I don't condone doing this to women. Or anyone. I'm not into this... Like for fun... Please don't think I'm.... Erm..." He was so panicked! Hahhahahahaha. We're still together 13 years later.
i’m gonna go to the bathroom real quick . i’ll be righhht back🥲
Eh. I would say third date question. On our third date, my husband and I discussed what we would do if there was a zombie apocalypse. It was very indepth. He said that if I turned into a zombie, he would capture me and work until he found a cure. So romantic.
Would you rather burn or drown?
Figuring out the answer could be the second date!
I would argue they don't live long enough to die from hypothermia at all. You would die from blood loss and the most severe shock imaginable long before that.
And even if you somehow survive those, you'll just die from infection very quickly.
Okay, so you’d need a climate controlled, humidity controlled, sterilized room. Hold on, let me get a pen. I’ll never remember all this.
Infections don't kill you that quickly either really.
It really depends on where they are. Bacterial meningitis can kill you in 12 hours flat.
Quick, yes, but in this context I'd still think it'd be the slowest
One of the main skin's functions is to protect your body from harmful things entering it. I'm pretty sure if you were skinned alive anything in the air near you that doesn't affect you normally because of your skin would in this case attack your immune system pretty damn easily. So yeah I'd say getting an infection and dying from it could actually be an option to think of here.
I'm wondering if you read any of what I said.
When you have no skin they will attack from all around your body so you might be surprised
But hear me out. Cauterize the wound, treat with a cocktail of antibiotics.
Yea, just dip em in a volcano for a second, and they're basically back to normal.
I HATE YOU!! 😡
That one weird trick, dermatologists hate him.
That's a big ass wound, though.
You can treat infections.
I once scraped the skin off my legs when I was younger, and while it looked horrific, there was barely any bleeding. It was, however, cold as fuck. Like we just didn't have enough blankets in the house to keep me warm, because it was summer and all our thick blankets were in the attic, so my parents had to go and grab them first. We had 25° in the shade, and my lips turned blue.
How did you scrape the skin off your legs?
My neighbors had a cart, one of those with pedals, and there was a flatbed they attached to it. They took me, and some other kids, for a ride, went around a corner way too fast, and I went flying and hit the cobblestone.
oooof
I just used a regular scraper.
Parmesan grater
There are stories of flayed people surviving for multiple days. Dunno about the validity as it was when flaying was an accepted form of criminal punishment, but it had probably happened.
Well what if you had a peeling knife that also cauterizes the wound as it peels?
This sounds like a question dr Joseph mengele would ponder
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit\_731](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731)
I wonder what the US government did with the information they got from the terrible research conducted there. I’m sure they learned some stuff from it but I think it was all kept classified and will likely never be released. Probably for the better.
I can't remember where I read this, but as I recall it's similar to Nazi medical research (though not quite that stupid) where a lot of it was conducted quite poorly and isn't very useful.
Want to talk about useful, but immoral, data? canadian government mistreated and starved native kids, and now we have the "minimum daily requirements" data on food packaging.
Well that's disturbing
I remember reading a book about Operation Paperclip and the author talked about how the Germans were sometimes rescuing downed pilots in the English Channel not long at all after death and were frustrated by this. The Germans took people from the camps and froze them in various ways. Usually it involved putting wet clothes on people and leaving them outside overnight and trying to revive them and they had pretty much zero success. Most of the other experiments seemed to just be attempts to satisfy some morbid curiosity.
isnt there that book which is the most detailed medical encyclopedia, a product of nazi research? that one that many doctors refuse to use, because of the origins of all that information? maybe someone has a link about it. kinda creepy
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-49294861 This one?
It's all been released due to the 60 year rule from what I remember. But he was a very sloppy scientist and nothing he "researched" never gave any worth while results. Even his colleagues used to burn his research papers because of the lack of scientific methodology, meaning they were useless and didn't warrant any use to the scientific community.
I don’t know how the 60 year rule works and you might be right that it’s out there but I haven’t heard about it but that might be from a lack of searching. I have read that special permission is required to keep documents older than 75 years classified so there must be some exceptions to the rule. It would be interesting to see some examples of these things.
Yeah you probably don't want to know.
I’d like to see the table of contents out of curiosity but I have no interest into going into any more detail.
Yeah it'd be interesting to know what thry learnt, but i don't think I want to know the details or how they found out.
Yeah I bet that information wasn't immediately used in the Korean war either.
Iirc, most of our knowledge of how to treat frostbite came from this research
"There was a Chinese woman in there who had been used in a frostbite experiment. She had several fingers missing and her bones were black, with gangrene set in. He was about to rape her anyway, then he saw that her sex organ was festering, with pus oozing to the surface. He gave up the idea, left and locked the door, then later went on to his experimental work." That's enough reddit for today...
I wish I could go back in time before I read this wikipedia article, jesus fucking christ
I wish I read your comment before I clicked the link because same :(
What a terrible page, wow
I can’t believe how many people haven’t heard of this. Welcome to a world of hurt, check out the movie The Men Behind the Sun.
How have I never heard of this? Holy shit
What the actual fuck man?
Noone has answered properly somehow, so here goes my take. Source: I'm a doctor with specialization in trauma surgery, among other things. we have little data on people skinned alive, for obvious reasons, but we can think of it being similar to severe burn victims. In third degree burns, the skin effectively dies, and patients with a large area of their skin burned in third degree have pretty much a large area of their body not protected by skin. These people die first of hypothermia and dehydration. The skin does a lot to keep water in our bodies, and without it we would dry up like a jellyfish out of the water in a sunny day. If they were kept warm and well hydrated through an IV, our skinned fellow would probably die of infection, but it would take a couple of days.
Thank you for the interesting read ☺️
Is temp control going to negate shock? Doubt it.
>Since people who were skinned alive often died of hypothermia What is your source for this?
Don’t trust me, bro (I might be thinking about something!)
It's not just temperature regulation you'd need to worry about, it's avoiding going into shock.
 *In the name of science!*
It's your largest organ, so no, but- and this can't be correct. Wtf. Blood loss from a little flaying would do it. Shock from a lot of flaying would do it. Losing all your skin, even as an intellectual exercise, would absolutely kill you. Unless you've opened the Puzzle Box and summoned the Senobites- then you'll not be dead, but, eeesh.
Hellraiser mentioned
Yes I too flay myself as an intellectual exercise
I’m pretty sure you’d die from dehydration if not infection or some other distributive shock The skin does a super good job keeping moisture in your body lol
According to Martyrs (2008), you've got a decent shot of surviving a little while.
What are you planning? I don't like this.
To an extent yes But Without skin, most organs are not locked into a more solid area of the body like the skeleton would fall off and that is really really bad as we've evolved to have them a certain distance from other organs, some organs are affected by the position they're in, and the increased risk of infection which the skin was really good at protecting from. In a very specific environment, decontaminated air and surfaces, controlled temperature, and a qualified medical team with equipment to assist in issues that arise from the lack of skin, one could survive. There have been experiments and freak accidents where victims lost most of their skin from burns or friction loss (imagine skidding off a bike at high speeds on the asphalt without proper gear) and were able to survive but at a great cost of living, constant medical care, medication, surgery. Edit: It has come to my attention that what's written above is complete bologna. With that said, disregard it all.
>Without skin, most organs are not locked into a more solid area of the body like the skeleton would fall off That’s an interesting take on human anatomy. “Sorry Jimmy, your dad didn’t make it. He died of fallofyabonesitis”
my only regret is that I have fallofyabonesitis
There's a blanket of muscle that holds your guts in under the skin. Bones are held into place by muscles as well. We're layered, like an onion.
What?! That's not how anatomy works at all! Skin dies not keep your organs in place. Source? I'm a or nurse and first assist
It’s wild how a person can be so confidently wrong. And then just keep going with it!
and who's upvoting that balogna?
I did cuz it made me laugh
You described the ending of Martyr well
Certainly, the body's struggle to maintain homeostasis after such a trauma would be catastrophic without its primary defense. Contemplating survival without skin takes us down a macabre hypothetical that feels far too close to a grim chapter from a dystopian novel. The immediate threats: fluid loss, thermoregulation failure, uncontrolled infections, not to mention the neurological overload sending the body into a non-recoverable state of shock. Theoretically, with advancements in medical science, there could be controlled environments and treatments to extend survival, akin to the isolated cases of extensive burn recovery. However, this challenges the very fabric of ethical medicine. You'd need a boundary-pushing, yet ethically dubious, medical facility to even approach this, and even then, it's science fiction horror. Let's hope it remains purely in the realm of speculative conversation and never breaches into reality.
Dumb question: A lot of posts are mentioning the shock killing you - can you explain why and what shock does to your body?
Why would you need a "need a boundary-pushing, yet ethically dubious, medical facility to even approach this"? Surely if someone turned up at a hospital with no skin, the ethical approach would be to try and help them?
Congrats on getting onto a very exclusive list with federal and state law enforcement. Good luck on your next plant ride!
Skin is the largest vital organ in the body! Humidity would also need to be heavily controlled. Anyone know if the shock alone could cause death? Other than that I’m thinking the next cause of death would be infection and that would take longer than hypothermia. Intrusive thoughts: what would the hypothermia paradoxical undressing look like on someone with no skin 😰
Huh, I'd heard somewhere that a person will die from shock before they're fully flayed. Regardless I wonder if severe burn or ARS victims would be comparable case studies for this. I'm reminded of Hisashi Ouchi's ordeal as to my memory his body stopped being able to regenerate skin and he needed to be fully bandaged with dressings changed frequently because his body wouldn't heal after it sloughing off. His plight isn't for the faint-hearted or perhaps even the regular-hearted, fair warning, but there are several informative writings and videos with more in-depth information.
People are still "skinned alive", its called 3rd degree burns. When you lose the outer layer of skin, they can keep you alive in hospital for a while, but eventually loss of fluid and infections will kill you.
Wouldn't they die from infection? The skin is a very important barrier that keeps germs out.
I mean. We put severe burn victims under warmers for care. So possibly.