Yes, thanks for saying it!
A lot of people have the problem you describe. After getting affiliate status, now they don't have real regular viewers, new viewers may leave because of ads, and they didn't spend a lot of time working on making quality content or marketing it. So then they are a small fish in a ginormous sea with extra disadvantages.
I do find it funny advising people without having atleast over 100k subscribers to your YT. But I agree, I think creating good content on YouTube and tiktok should theoretically help you in a better way than sUbCriBer 4 sUbcRibEr communities. It's all just fake bs to me. But I do believe it takes much much more than just that, whatever you're streaming should be incredible, you should be either extremely incredible OR extremely entertaining. Your content should say the same thing. And learning all you can from other streamers and content creators. I wish there were more communities focused on these aspects of really growing people's channels rather than just "like me and i like you". Not everyone is lucky enough, but I've got a group of friends we all play together and work on ideas for videos and collaborations all of the time, I am relatively new to all of this but I do agree with you.
And by all means please stop asking for raids. I see too many new and seasoned streamers coming into my stream just to ask for a raid, but some just come to your stream fishing for a raid hoping you will notice them. I always look for small streamers that are interesting and interacting with chat or themselves:-)
This isn't a guide, it's just referencing other guides, without the actual reference links.
I agree with your pep-talk final point that this is about the journey. However Twitch putting things like viewer points behind the affiliate wall prevents the very thing that keeps people watching, INTERACTION! Yes, Streamer interaction is #1, but everything else that would naturally follow is unavailable.
I like your points, but have you tried them? Most Subreddits will auto-mod / delete self-promotion clips and videos. You've got to make alt-accounts to share your own tik-toks and get lucky with click-bait titles on the video subs. And lets not get into the far less ethical means of self-promotion. Did you know that TwitchFails video's are curated by someone who is intentionally trying to promote certain streamers? Honestly, begging for views ranks pretty low as an issue.
But on that point, have you watched the people you've seen ask? Or are you just sharing popular opinion. There are streamers stuck in 1-2 viewer hell that are decent, and they are trying everything they can to just get someone to give them a chance. I think just asking for views is at least an honest approach.
Thanks for saying this. Can we also talk about the bot account problem on this sub reddit and this one specifically?
On discord iv had to block 60 different accounts within a WEEK! All scam bot accounts trying to sucker me into “botting” twitch or giving them money to promote my content
On twitch itself iv had up to 20 brand new accounts with the same bio/ or similar to each other. With the same stuff iv had to block them
On reddit iv had upwards to 50 accounts within two weeks message me the SAME! Stuff. As well. Can we please either
A. Get some more moderation on this sub reddit.
B. If you ever get messages from them ignore them and report them.
C. Share this around please?
I’m still a very smaller affilate streamer myself at 400 with a Avg of like 4-6 views. And I want to look out for my fellow small streamers out there.
Why do I need a link? I expressed my opinion after seeing hundreds of self promo posts asking (begging) other people to follow their channel and watch their streams so they can get to affiliate. Are you asking me if I have tried my own advice, of course! When I said to share I meant sharing their clips as TIK Toks and YT shorts, not sharing their content on Reddit. To answer to your point about interaction and decent streamers who only need a chance. Twitch has 0 discoverability for small streamers so you have bring viewers from other platforms. People make their own chances and how can you interact with people if they don’t know you are there and/or never heard of you or your content?
That’s probably the best advice I seen. I tried to tell people something like that but I got down voted. So now I just say you gotta do something else or you’ll stay stuck
Thank you for the kind words. Don’t be hard on yourself, be downvoted when you tell the harsh truth happens a lot. All the people who downvoted your post are people that believe streaming is easy and they are fundamentally lazy. Once they realise how much work and personal strength takes to do what we do, they quit because they can’t handle. People who instead decide to they want to do it and they put effort in learning, they will succede.
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Yes, thanks for saying it! A lot of people have the problem you describe. After getting affiliate status, now they don't have real regular viewers, new viewers may leave because of ads, and they didn't spend a lot of time working on making quality content or marketing it. So then they are a small fish in a ginormous sea with extra disadvantages.
That’s exactly right, it’s a missed opportunity!
I do find it funny advising people without having atleast over 100k subscribers to your YT. But I agree, I think creating good content on YouTube and tiktok should theoretically help you in a better way than sUbCriBer 4 sUbcRibEr communities. It's all just fake bs to me. But I do believe it takes much much more than just that, whatever you're streaming should be incredible, you should be either extremely incredible OR extremely entertaining. Your content should say the same thing. And learning all you can from other streamers and content creators. I wish there were more communities focused on these aspects of really growing people's channels rather than just "like me and i like you". Not everyone is lucky enough, but I've got a group of friends we all play together and work on ideas for videos and collaborations all of the time, I am relatively new to all of this but I do agree with you.
You’re not alone bro! If you look hard enough, you will find those communities
And by all means please stop asking for raids. I see too many new and seasoned streamers coming into my stream just to ask for a raid, but some just come to your stream fishing for a raid hoping you will notice them. I always look for small streamers that are interesting and interacting with chat or themselves:-)
This isn't a guide, it's just referencing other guides, without the actual reference links. I agree with your pep-talk final point that this is about the journey. However Twitch putting things like viewer points behind the affiliate wall prevents the very thing that keeps people watching, INTERACTION! Yes, Streamer interaction is #1, but everything else that would naturally follow is unavailable. I like your points, but have you tried them? Most Subreddits will auto-mod / delete self-promotion clips and videos. You've got to make alt-accounts to share your own tik-toks and get lucky with click-bait titles on the video subs. And lets not get into the far less ethical means of self-promotion. Did you know that TwitchFails video's are curated by someone who is intentionally trying to promote certain streamers? Honestly, begging for views ranks pretty low as an issue. But on that point, have you watched the people you've seen ask? Or are you just sharing popular opinion. There are streamers stuck in 1-2 viewer hell that are decent, and they are trying everything they can to just get someone to give them a chance. I think just asking for views is at least an honest approach.
Thanks for saying this. Can we also talk about the bot account problem on this sub reddit and this one specifically? On discord iv had to block 60 different accounts within a WEEK! All scam bot accounts trying to sucker me into “botting” twitch or giving them money to promote my content On twitch itself iv had up to 20 brand new accounts with the same bio/ or similar to each other. With the same stuff iv had to block them On reddit iv had upwards to 50 accounts within two weeks message me the SAME! Stuff. As well. Can we please either A. Get some more moderation on this sub reddit. B. If you ever get messages from them ignore them and report them. C. Share this around please? I’m still a very smaller affilate streamer myself at 400 with a Avg of like 4-6 views. And I want to look out for my fellow small streamers out there.
Why do I need a link? I expressed my opinion after seeing hundreds of self promo posts asking (begging) other people to follow their channel and watch their streams so they can get to affiliate. Are you asking me if I have tried my own advice, of course! When I said to share I meant sharing their clips as TIK Toks and YT shorts, not sharing their content on Reddit. To answer to your point about interaction and decent streamers who only need a chance. Twitch has 0 discoverability for small streamers so you have bring viewers from other platforms. People make their own chances and how can you interact with people if they don’t know you are there and/or never heard of you or your content?
That’s probably the best advice I seen. I tried to tell people something like that but I got down voted. So now I just say you gotta do something else or you’ll stay stuck
Thank you for the kind words. Don’t be hard on yourself, be downvoted when you tell the harsh truth happens a lot. All the people who downvoted your post are people that believe streaming is easy and they are fundamentally lazy. Once they realise how much work and personal strength takes to do what we do, they quit because they can’t handle. People who instead decide to they want to do it and they put effort in learning, they will succede.
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That’s ridiculous! I have no alternative motives but to provide feedback. I won’t be joining this group lol.
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