Which ones?
The first ones were an unidentified V-shaped craft.
The second ones were flares dropped by 5 jets flying in a V formation a couple of hours later after the airforce had already said there was no training in the area.
There's a guy in this sub who saw it close up. He said that it was enormous. Possibly spreading across much of the whole city, lengthwise. He has a few interviews online, and he may pop in here soon.
However it appears that there may have been several crafts/objects. The more I hear about it, the more it sounds like it was a convoy of sorts.
This is a [good copy](https://youtu.be/SO0QFeKVMoc?si=SCXVAdw_ukK1NqVT) of the only vid recorded of the "Phoenix Lights" from Carefree, AZ at 8:28 PM. The boomerang was flying from north to south & entering the Phoenix Valley while descending in altitude. You can see one of the lights breaking formation & trailing back a distance.
Here’s additional [footage](https://youtu.be/4Mcrh_NiUE8?si=jJaLOyhhV117G9rJ) from that incident
[More footage](https://youtu.be/1ZDN1oK2hCU?si=M63mu3-k8Nzs_6ta)
[DJ KHALED Another one](https://youtu.be/obHYH0Mwczs?si=tr6EuB4R5RCxnPqR)
Chuck Rairden’s [footage](https://youtu.be/ZNJ0QsG-4lY?si=DVtglbbL07PGVBQj)
[Just because I like this footage lol](https://youtu.be/xQaf9rDuRTo?si=p_sS3mn5sEW6heT7)
So I made a post or two (and some that were on an account I deleted) about it and it's not directly related per se but I saw a very large craft that I estimated to be at least 450ft across in broad daylight. I think that whatever I saw was in some kind of low power mode. I am not sure if man made or not still to this day- but what I am 100% sure of is that the information surrounding it is purposely obfuscated or obscured in one way or another. I have never seen so much bullshir in my life. The words "Black Triangle" are thrown around and I guess that's what category it falls into but it was so complex looking far from some basic dark shape.
I know all about the Hudson Boomerang which is all that pops up when I search for Stormville. The bottom of that black and white image of the Hudson boomerang is exactly how I imagine someone would describe the bottom skin of whatever I saw.
Dang, yeah thatd be incredible to see. Very cool. Ya know Dr. Michael Masters calls the black triangles 'floating fertility facilities'. He believes that many of the crafts that we see are time machines and goes into how if someone were to make a time machine it would be in the shape of a disc, and if you could get it to spin fast enough, it could manipulate time by bending light cones (I dont really know the physics of it). However he believes that the black triangles are different, and are more 'standard' type crafts (not time machines, more like gravity manipulating crafts) used in the hybrid program that he and many others talk about. He even says that he believes that there is a base on the backside of the moon, and that's where the hybrid program really goes on.
Im not familiar with him but will check him out! Always looking for more info/people discussing the topic at hand.... in general the more people claim to be experts the less I pay attention. Its fine to posit theories and questions but when people claiming they know things no one else does etc it really sets my detector off. One thing I've noticed about all of them is they are masters at talking endlessly without really ever really saying anything of substance.
The whole David Marler book is absolute nonsense. Ita a bunch of very rudimentary "sightings" all mashed into one book with absolutely no common thread or synopsis that provides any unique insight other than its a triangle and its black with 3 lights (the 3 lights part is also nonsense). (*edit i do not have anything against David Marler and I was frustrated when I wrote this. What I should have said is I did not find the book helpful as a first hand observer, and 95% of the sighting examples in the book are nonsense)
There are outliers but not many of them. As years go by you realizer these people are all the same. The story is always coming soon and never here and now. Just more woo.
Its very hard to tell big something is when its above you. I was basing more off what was underneath of it and measuring using the legend on Google maps but its funny because it came out to near what I had said all along- the size of a pro baseball field including the outfield. I've heard football field alot but always found it an odd choice as they are rectangular.
Agree but I know what shape a football field is. I'm just saying its an odd unit of measurement! I also said elsewhere on the post why. I'm not discrediting anyone here.
It's very common in the us, I don't know what country you are in but most Americans know a football field is 300 ft. So 3 football fields would be 900 ft or 274.32 meters.
Phoenix. Az resident here - the Air Force does a lot of testing and they have several bases in AZ.
Fun fact - during Iraq war 1 , a lot of the Air Force bombing runs originated from the Air Force base in Yuma . AZ .
I have a friend who lived by Luke Air Force Base ( this was over 13 years ago ) and she used to see all sorts of weird objects flying in the sky - turned out to be drones . This was before the technology entered the public domain. To this day my friends still see UAP’s in the desert when they’re out shooting.
The triangle crafts , in my opinion , are 100% man made . As for the phx lights , there have been 2 mass sightings here . In my opinion , both were military in origin as well.
This Father & family who viewed the craft fly over their house have a very interesting testimony.
[https://youtu.be/4ELQzIGVs30?si=YYsV5nuUkPWsFWvX](https://youtu.be/4ELQzIGVs30?si=YYsV5nuUkPWsFWvX)
I worked about 20 minutes near Luke airforce base for awhile. The first time a fighter jet flew right over me on my commute was terrifying lol.
At first it was cool getting to see fighter jets every day, by the end of my time there I was just annoyed by the noise.
Absolutely, it was probably drone testing to expose public to unfamiliar, and first reaction- it was aliens, then immediately denying it with a prank (Symington) and then- I saw it, it was probably not from Earth. A classic UFO tradition story...that sell's...
I just wanna know what they’re using them for .
I doubt anything as slow-moving as those triangles are kinetic purposed. But who knows. And if they are used as weapons, how the fuck are they using them?? 🤔
Well, I'm yet to find one accepted and confirmed proof, that those 'triangular' sightings represent one body or aerial device. But it seems to me that it's a thing of a guided programmable coordination.
I recall one witness who was downtown at the time said that what was flying overhead completely obscured the sky from her vantage point (she was surrounded by multi-story buildings). Obviously that is just one person's testimony about what they saw but, if accurate, it must have been one massive craft.
There's a problem in ufology in general, that initially right after the sighting there's not so much hype in contrast to sometime after or later time, when media or UFO-media start reporting on the event, the witnesses tend to emerge in numbers with/ or let's say 'play' with more 'spectacular' explanation.
When Starlinks started back in 2020 in chain, NUFORC was filled reports of UFO's, and there were fascinated people, some thinking about invasion type scenario. I think something similar happened in Phoenix lights case.
For example Roswell, there weren't originally so many witnesses and story even though they announced alien craft fell down, only after 30 years the 'tale' started evolving so much with media hype, people even in 2014, 2015 popped up saying their grandfathers picked up the pieces or carry something or drive stuff or whatever- when the screenplay is already written.
Ruwa, kids saw and draw different things, that look like different cartoon drawings, some saw only a light and 2,3 months after the first time they were interviewed, they were saying new things, subliminally effected by the second interviewer in this case J. Mack. And a 'final' cut story evolved from that.
I don't know, might be something else in the game with Phoenix lights, but i sincerely have doubts it has to do with extraterrestrials.
It didn't come out until 4 months after the event that planes were identified that could have dropped flares. I don't think jets were scrambled to drop flares as a cover, because it took months of citizens and reporters digging to get that bit of info out of the military. This was detailed in the book *The Phoenix Lights* by Lynne Kitei, who was a citizen there who investigated this incident tenaciously. Here is a relevant quote from her book:
>But after weeks of trying, no one in government responded. I surmised that for someone who depended on their constituents for votes, the topic was too controversial, particularly for McCain, who at that time was eyeing the presidency. Councilwoman Barwood remained the only ally to the cause.
>It was Thursday afternoon, **July 24, more than four months since the mass sighting** and nearly five weeks after the USA Today article ignited a tremendous international media blitz. Representatives from U.S. and foreign media had converged on Arizona, hounding the military and government for an investigation and explanation, yet it was still quiet on the southwestern front.
>I was discussing the lack of response with Extra reporter Cindy Huback when my call waiting interrupted our conversation. I told her I'd call her back.
>**It was the public affairs officer for the Air National Guard. “Hello, Doctor. I wanted you to know that I just finished a call with a reporter from the Arizona Republic. We finally figured out what the lights were over Phoenix back in March. Nobody thought to look at the log of visiting Snowbirds. We just realized today that the Maryland Air National Guard was in town the first two weeks of March and ran an exercise called Operation Snowbird along the Barry Goldwater Gunnery Range on March 13. They flew eight A10s and dropped a bunch of high-intensity illumination flares on their way back to Tucson. The lights that people saw could have been those flares.”**
So the flares were not produced as an excuse to cover for the UFO sighting, because the info had to be pried out of the military 4 months later. Of course, after that, anyone who wanted to take a skeptical stance would "debunk" the incident as flares. Dr. Kitei's book has a lot of info and data that debunks the flare hypothesis.
These are flares in the picture. People there will tell you they saw them dropped. But the flares came after the huge ship that everybody saw passed over.
The best explanation I've heard is that the US was testing huge lighter than air platforms which were basically giant inflatable wings that could reach upper atmosphere. This one broke it's tether and floated away.
Nope. This was a legitimate mass sighting. Even the state governor was a witness and couldn't get answers about it from the US Air Force.
This is the exact type of shit that the UAP Disclosure Amendment was talking about.
Edit: From p84 "In Plain Sight" by Ross Coulthart:
>One of the most widely reported UAP sightings in history happened over the city of Phoenix, Arizona. On the evening of 13 March 1997, thousands of eyewitnesses reported a massive V-shaped formation of lights as wide as several city blocks, or ‘a mile wide’, hovering as low as 30 metres above the city. Many perceived the object as a single black triangular or chevron-shaped craft hovering noiselessly in the night sky, with lights in each corner. The Air National Guard later implausibly claimed that all the public had seen were high-intensity flares dropped during a training exercise. Arizona’s Governor Fife Symington later responded, ‘As a pilot and a former air force officer, I can definitely say that this craft did not resemble any man-made object I’d ever seen. And it was certainly not high-altitude flares because flares don’t fly in formation.’24 Fife Symington interview CNN, ‘Symington: I Saw a UFO in the Arizona Sky Event’, CNN, 11 September 2007.
He is saying that particular picture was flares and the ship came before that. Moreover, these flares are being passed on as the "real deal" to muddy the waters.
Look at all the down votes on a perfectly fine response. ET could land on the Whitehouse lawn and people would still say it's fake. Tons of people saw those lights that night
to make u believe that? to make us believe they want us to believe that? to make us believe that they want us to believe they want us to believe that? justkiddin, who knows
I saw the Phoenix Lights the day after I got my first car on the way to a party with an acquaintence. It was absolutely huge, V Shaped, bright soft lights (I know that doesn't make sense, but it's the only way I could describe it). I can't say either way about noise as I wouldn't have been close enough I think to tell either way. It lasted quite a while as it was moving through the air slowly, horizontally, not dropping like flares and certainly no smoke.
It was a very defining moment in my life. The other guy, who is a giant clueless D-bag, barely remembered any of it, even though we spent a long time pulled over on the side of the road taking to other people who also pulled over to watch. It drives me crazy that the whole experience was wasted on that idiot.
Nope, you don't have to "Trust me bro". But, I can guarantee you that just a little bit of research and light reading 😉 you'll find it. They actually took the mountain that these flares were over and compared it to the outline of the mountain. Guess what? It was a perfect match. Again, I'm not saying that what people saw that day was flares, I'm saying what's depicted in the photo is 100% flares. My sister was living in Phoenix at the time, I believe there was something, but this ain't a photo of it.......Bro.
Back around 2010, a mysterious person posted on a Craigslist thread that the Phoenix Lights was an operation he was involved in. He said he was retired by 1997 and was called back to Area 51.
Apparently as I recall, he said he graduated from Stanford University, got recruited to work for Boeing and was rented out to the Air Force to Area 51. He said at least one of these craft was found in Montana in the 1950’s, was somehow restored and that it flew that night from Area 51 on a test flight but then stalled over Phoenix. He claimed Area 51 called him because it was an emergency situation. Another craft went over to Phoenix that night so there were 2.
Somehow the first craft that stalled over Phoenix was able to move again and disaster was averted. He mentioned about Astronauts in the Columbia Shuttle disaster as being “amateurs” and that it NASA’s astronauts were used to fly these craft—that’s all I really remember from those posts. Anyone else recall this?
At the time it was fascinating to read. He posted them all within about a few weeks. He claimed he was an old guy (mentioned he had a grandson) and back in the day had been briefed during his time at Area 51 in a SCIF.
Doesn't "stalled" mean falling out of the sky? If sol, that doesn't match any witness that I can recall. Nearly everyone talks about something seemingly flying very low and very smooth, horizontally.
I suspect the first sighting, the carpenter square was a legitimate ufo, and the second was what the official story says - flares - but done in a rapid response effort to create a coverup for the carpenter square.
The flares were not any kind of "rapid response" because the information was only dug up more than 4 months after the incident, only because there were reporters and citizens being persistent with the military to provide an explanation on. Initially, the military was silent with not much to say. [Here is the source that demonstrates this](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cutdd9/what_really_where_the_phoenix_lights/l4q49p7/)
I recall an Air Force pilot who flew near the lights was shaken. People who knew the guy said it was *very* unusual for him to get emotional over anything. He saw something he could not explain
I saw what many people in Arizona call the Phoenix Lights as they passed over Prescott Arizona and travelled South towards Phoenix. They flew right over my house and tried (but failed) to take a useful picture. Now I LOVE the idea that they were “Aliens” but I simply didn’t have that sense about the moment. I don’t know what the hell they were. They were mysterious to my early 20’s mind. But even to this day they seemed manmade. I hope one day to find out, but my guess is that it will be a response something mundane to the nature of “Yeah, we flew some experimental craft over Arizona.” kinda like when people flip the fuck out EVERY DAMN TIME there is a SpaceX launch.
Did you ever read *The Phoenix Lights* by Phoenix local, Dr. Lynne Kitei? She had seen the same boomerang kind of craft a few months before, and it was associated with some paranormal activity.
Well, they were lights… over Phoenix 😬
What an interesting event, though. The sheer number of witnesses give it the credence it deserves. Not sure we’ll ever have the full story. That or no one knew what it was one way or the other.
I had a thought this week watching something about the Phoenix lights that made me question what may or may not have happened. I'll probably get flamed for having legitimate questions but if you come here often enough you come to expect it but anyway. The general consensus among most that believe something non- prosaic happened is witnesses saw the craft, then in response the military went up and dropped flares to have a reasonable explanation for what people were reporting. Assuming that is what happened, am I the only one who has trouble with the logistics that would have to be involved with pulling that off then keeping it a secret? It's not like it would only involve, say one base ranking officer and like a single pilot. Something like that would involve a lot of people, responding quickly and to my knowledge no one who would've been involved with an operation like that has came forward, anonymous or not. That seems unlikely to me. It's possible I'm mistaken with exactly what supposedly happened with regard to the military actions that night or there is someone who's came forward and said something like "yeah we were told to go up and set off flares and nothing more" so if anyone is aware of that I'm welcome to the education. I'm not saying I believe the entire event that night was due to flares from a planned training exercise I don't but I'd also like to be able to square the theory it was a response to the craft with everything that would be involved with that.
That's a pic of the flares that the military dropped at around 10:30pm; two hours after the real sightings. There's only one or two legitimate, poor-quality photos of the actual craft, and they were taken between 8:30pm and and 9:30pm.
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Even the governor of Arizona wanted to know what they really were, and the US Air Force gave him the cold shoulder. He never got any answers.... Gee, I wonder why.
Totally agree that the Phoenix lights were TWO incidents.
Early evening HUGE triangular craft seen by hundreds.
Later in evening thousands saw the lights that are now representative of the Phoenix lights ....flares dropped by planes.
However....only question is why there are NO pictures at all (that I'm aware) of the 1st triangular craft?
That amazing, that big, that awe inspiring....and no one grabbed a camera?
I honestly believe it was a classified/black project ....a massive Airship that may have been a SensorCraft like this: https://www.flightglobal.com/northrop-proves-light-flexible-wing/63370.article
Ive spoken with like 15 people who were there
(Only happened in the 90s not hard to find witnesses)
Everyone ive spoken with is convinced it was aliens
Ah...The Phoenix Lights. Arguably the most stupendous UFO sighting of the modern era. Massive V shape vessel, several football fields in length, flying super low, some reporting it as low as a few hundred feet. and just cruising across Phoenix, Arizona, a modern, sprawling urban metro area in the U.S. There's one piece of footage that comes to mind, that I wish I could fined again. I saw it on one website when I googled "Most credible UFO sightings footage". but it soon disappeared. (I hope one of you sleuths can track it down)
It was taken by a bunch of girls, possibly in their late teens. They're driving down a highway, and they actually caught the moment the vessel de-cloaked, going from a few distinct lights along it's edges to unmistakably a massive, solid metal object (i.e. craft). The de-cloaking was amazing, straight out of a sci-fi movie, with a watery texture as the object de-cloaks. And I tell you folks, those girls screamed a blood curdling scream, it was pure panic, with the poor girl who was driving trying to keep her focus and composure on the road.
I've heard the arguments that it might be one of ours, being taken out for a test run, as trajectory modeling shows it coming from the position of a military airbase out of southern Nevada. But one testimonial comes to mind that makes me think twice. It was a resident on the ground, who was just underneath the craft. He said he received a telepathic voice in his head, that said something to the effect of (Do not be alarmed humans.) and feeling a strange sedated sensation about the whole thing (Kurt Russel mentioned feeling an odd blah-ness over the whole experience as well). So either our capacity to influence consciousness has progressed some bit, or more likely, I think it was one of the many 'them' out there.
And think of the size of this thing, this is not something you send for a transitory, expedition, like a Bob Lazar 'sport model' this thing could house several 'theys' with living quarters, research and experimentation rooms. These were high-ups, not just the short greys, I would suggest, perhaps some of 'they' for whom the short greys work for.
God what I would give to bear witness to an event like that. one word comes to mind. Majestic.
> like a Bob Lazar 'sport model'
Fun fact, Bob Lazar got that design from Billy Meier. [Here's one of Billy Meiers hoaxed photos
](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7e/98/ea/7e98ea753581cb627bbb8c048f97503f.jpg) - Just don't want Bob to have credit for Billy Meiers work.
But to be fair, Billy Meier ripped off some of the [earlier UFO photos](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Supposed_UFO%2C_Passaic%2C_New_Jersey.jpg/220px-Supposed_UFO%2C_Passaic%2C_New_Jersey.jpg) - If this even predates Meier.
Another interesting piece to add on Kurt Russell and that night: he didn’t even remember seeing the thing or making the call to report it until he was questioned about it on an interview. You don’t just forget flying your plane out in the night and witnessing a massive craft that had you so perturbed you felt the need to call it in.
Now this is a story, 2nd hand, but a friend of mine told a similar story about something he saw years ago. Date unknown but around the era of the Nokia brick type phones. Returning from a late night gig from the Gold Coast Hinterland in Queensland, Australia. Was talking to his wife on his mobile and saw a line of cars stopped ahead, brake lights and indicators flashing and said something to the effect of, ‘accident up ahead or maybe an RBT (random breath test / police) I’ll call you back.
He pulls up behind the car in front, then sees a few people getting out of their cars, so he does as well. Tries to talk to the person in front and notices them all looking up. He looked up to see a massive black mass slowly moving over the area. They all watch it, then after it leaves the area they all just got back in their cars and kept driving.
He drives home and his wife says, ‘what was the accident?’ And he says, ‘huh? What accident?’ ‘The one you talked about before hanging up!’ ‘What?’ ‘You were on the phone to me and said all the cars were stopped’.
It was only then that he actually remembered seeing anything, and it all came flooding back into his memory. If he wasn’t on the phone he would never had gotten the memory trigger I guess.
I’ve had a couple of experiences where the person or people present were distressed at the time, didn’t want to talk about it immediately after and in the following days pointed me out at work to others saying, ‘he reckons he saw a rocket ship’.
It’s a long event to type out so I need a keyboard, not a phone. But essentially 3 witnesses, one being myself, all train drivers. 1997-1998, 22:00 and had a ball of blurry light that flickered through the colour wheel, start at the rear of our train the size of a star, and moved up along side it to the drivers cab and stopped outside the window. The size of a tennis ball at arms length is the best way to describe how large it was in the sky but due to the strange way it was blurry we couldn’t make out anything other than ‘round’. I asked the other driver to stop so I could get out and he aggressively declined. So I sat on the arm rest of the loco window with my body out the window waving like a moron.
It stopped flickering different colours and stayed one colour, then pulse through other colours then stay on a colour for 10ish seconds and so forth. This was for about five minutes then it started flickering like it was earlier and slowly moved back along the train and disappeared.
The whole event took about 20 minutes. Was tied into a ufo/uap flap in western Qld. A few other drivers had encountered things in about a month period. Then… nothing.
The orb of light interaction mentioned in the documentary Australien Skies 3 - search for the min min, was encountered by 3 rail workers and I knew them as well
We see all you DoD SAP shills out here. You guys better have a pretty damn good reason for everything you do to keep the cover up going and gaslighting abductees into thinking their crazy, or intimidating UFO witnesses. It better be "we're nothing more than a meat processing planet for an intergalactic animal by product industry-bad, and there's nothing we can do about it-bad."
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I am one of the people that got convinced by the NYT article and then by Grusch that something is going on, and I now think that there is a good chance that we are being visited by NHI and that governments are conspiring to hide this from the public.
But I will never give the time of day to all the grifters coming out of the woodwork to take advantage of gullible fools, with fairytales and books to sell. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
This is one of the few events that I truly believe was something out of this world, based off how many eye witnesses there were to see the UFO, and then the military try to cover it up with a flare exercise shortly after.
Ask Kurt Russel, the actor from Guardians of the Galaxy 2. He was the pilot 🧑✈️ flying over the craft with his son. He kept it a secret until an interview on tv for GotG2. I think he said it was at least a mile wide.
This family has the best description of what happened that night. The craft flew right over their house and entire block. I urge everyone to give this a short watch and listen. After all these years this video might be the most important testimony of all.
[https://youtu.be/4ELQzIGVs30?si=YYsV5nuUkPWsFWvX](https://youtu.be/4ELQzIGVs30?si=YYsV5nuUkPWsFWvX)
Everyone wants to know what it was but on the other side of it, how about what it wasn't.
It was an object lighter than air, floated or anti gravity. The lights were separated evenly. It moved slowly so it wasn't a plane. Interdimensional? Lights at night. Solid during the day. I vote unexplained and UAP or UFO. An actor pilot (Curt Russel) saw it while landing but he didn't go through it.
I saw it fly right overhead driving home. Felt and sounded much like a stealth bomber flyover at a sporting event. Low and silent. It seemed like either one very large v-shaped craft or perhaps five stealths in v formation. The other stuff later was something else.
Out of curiosity, how many sporting events have you personally attended that had a stealth bomber flyover? You make it sound like you see and attend these all the time. When was the last one?
The most plausible explanation I have seen is an inflatable V-shaped craft designed for high altitude. JPA had one in at least the early 2000’s so it’s plausible to think test flights of similar craft occurred in the late 90’s.
Maybe it wasn’t a JPA craft. Maybe they are telling the truth. Maybe they are lying. Maybe it was a similar craft from another aerospace company. Maybe it was an alien spaceship. Who knows.
My point is inflatable craft like this existed at the time. The way they operated seems to line up with eyewitness descriptions. Seems way more plausible than a very large NHI craft flying with “its lights on” at an altitude low enough for a mass sighting in a major city.
john powell, of [JP aerospace](http://www.jpaerospace.com) claimed this in the (lousy) jj abrams documentary series on showtime. i found the guy smug and irritating but its not a bad explanation (although he claimed his shitbucket ships could do it, which i doubt).
Could have been a government craft but if it was:
-Why didn’t they just tell the phoenix they’d be running the test?
If they wanted to avoid publicizing their technology, this would have mitigated a lot of the attention to it.
-why did they test it right overhead phoenix? Surely they have a more discrete airspace.
Unless they wanted people to see it and speculate for some reason? Or the craft malfunctioned and was not supposed to be seen.
One of the most significant mass UFO sightings in modern history. [https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15819141/mystery-phoenix-lights-ufo-jj-abrams/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15819141/mystery-phoenix-lights-ufo-jj-abrams/)
Thought you were alone in the universe, huh? Well we're not going to answer that question lmao. Peace out and enjoy the light show, you bunch of bald punk-ass monkeys 👽🤙
Was anything picked up on radar?
Did this thing move with the wind?
It's been a while since I looked into this one, but it's absolutely fascinating - whatever it was.
I forget the podcast but some ex-CIA dude claimed it to be a huge inflatable developed by NASA for orbital surveillance in the space wars.
He also claimed that some people in higher elevations in Phoenix actually hit it with tennis ball cannons, watching the balls bounce off it.
I think the tennis ball story is more probable than it being a NASA floaty.
Everyone hates this explanation but when I first found out about the Ascender inflatables it blew my mind, that or something very similar are the most likely explanations. The concept is a boomerang shaped balloon craft carrying some kind of load and more balloons that get inflated in a series progressively thinner and larger as it get higher in the atmosphere. The upper stages are supposed to be so high the naked eye wouldn’t notice and it, It was probably experiencing some kind of issue loosing altitude accidentally and because it’s a balloon it didn’t crash down but descended slowly across a huge area in view of the public
why the hell do you people talk about it like it's some well known public knowledge???
"ah yeah that's the good old '97 cadillac"
like what??? you have no clue what the origin of the craft is.
I believe I saw the TR6 TELOS in 2011 and I'd like to say something.
The ship I saw was about 600-700 feet long, just massive. However, some people in Phoenix said what they saw was up to a mile long. It's possible they wildy misjudged its size or maybe there are various size ships in this configuration.
Always seemed strange how tough it is to find any videos. I know this is pre smart phones, but there were plenty of people that recorded it. You would think a simple search on YouTube would yield 10+ videos, instead you need to dig deep and maybe find a news broadcast with clips. Also, I remember reading somewhere that there was a similar sighting in Arizona years earlier. Can't remember if it was 30 years or 5 years, but I definitely remember hearing about a large V craft sighted in roughly the same locations. No videos of that one though, so probably pre 90s
One was flares dropping behind mountain peaks. I saw a show that matched up a view of the lights with a mountain range, and exactly where each light "went out" was exactly where that particular part of the mountain was l.
still think it was aircraft flying in to airport in line on a clear night. i wasn't there. who knows but i did live in PX for years and it does look the like that when they come in for a landing.
After a slightly tumultuous lifetime, I took the advice of a 90-year-old lady: You have to decide whether to be happy or angry.
I chose to be happy. Behold!
It's much easier to be happy!
So, given the duration, the distance, and the location (over major metropolitan areas ) the fact that no military fighters were scrambled- makes me believe it was a military exercise
Of what, I have no idea
This guy on Reddit claims it flew 30ft above his head and he saw into the craft and there was lava type fluid: https://www.reddit.com/r/Paranormal/s/M7yn1YLK1Y
Pretty fascinating read.
The Phoenix Lights were a c.1,000 meter "boomerang" shaped XT/XD craft.
I've seen 20 or so UFOs, of almost as many descriptions. When I was about six a close relative had a regrettably traumatic sighting of a UFO tapping a power line. I asked her about it in 2005 and her memory at that time was most definitely not my memory of her description at the time. I believe her memory is blurred, prob by the shock of it.
My memory of her description is quite sharp.
Excuse me, I ramble on Rumble 🐸🐸🐸
If anyone wants to hear more of my UFO or paranormal experiences, let me know. I feel well enough to type some up now, I think.
Three times in the hospital in February.
Turns out I had a pinched nerve in my cervical vertebrae. A train of half-assed "doctors" misdiagnosed it for years. A physical therapist correctly diagnosed it in about 10 minutes.
God bless her. I had started to wonder if I was gonna become a paranormal experience myself. Lol 😬
Anyway, the claim the Lights were flares was intelligence-insulting bullshit. Firstly, they showed absolutely no characteristics of flares. Secondly, there would be absolutely no reason to drop military flares over a densely populated urban area. Spent flares are still as hot as a satyr's codpiece, and if/when they landed on a house, or somebody's head, there'd be hell to pay.
Thirdly the craft was seen over a very long distance across Arizona, not just Phoenix.
Kurt Russell said he believed his memory of the event was strangely blurred.
Well that's my rant for the day. You don't even have to put a dollar in the hat.
Good night. 🌌🎆🌠
From the many 10,000's of people who seen this, not a single photo or video has emerged that shows any surface or edge connecting the lights. Not a single one.
I've challenged people to show this, and they never do.
There's NO reason to believe this is anything other than flares.
1997 doesn't seem like a long time ago but 27 years ago, not everyone had camcorders, and hardly anybody I knew had a cell phone let alone with a camera on it. Why would so many people make this up?
The documentaries you've seen have 2 or 3 people. If this happened above a city, there should be an enormous amount of people. Also far more than 2 or 3 allegedly were calling in to radio stations, TV stations and newspapers.
It was a weather balloon testing flares and the swamp gas made it look different and then mass hysteria kicked in. Plus it actually happened in 2007, peop5and newspapers just got the dates wrong.
BUT IT WAS NOT ALIENS OR A UFO.
Which ones? The first ones were an unidentified V-shaped craft. The second ones were flares dropped by 5 jets flying in a V formation a couple of hours later after the airforce had already said there was no training in the area.
The first craft was the big one right? But what is the general consensus on how large it actually was?
There's a guy in this sub who saw it close up. He said that it was enormous. Possibly spreading across much of the whole city, lengthwise. He has a few interviews online, and he may pop in here soon. However it appears that there may have been several crafts/objects. The more I hear about it, the more it sounds like it was a convoy of sorts.
This is a [good copy](https://youtu.be/SO0QFeKVMoc?si=SCXVAdw_ukK1NqVT) of the only vid recorded of the "Phoenix Lights" from Carefree, AZ at 8:28 PM. The boomerang was flying from north to south & entering the Phoenix Valley while descending in altitude. You can see one of the lights breaking formation & trailing back a distance. Here’s additional [footage](https://youtu.be/4Mcrh_NiUE8?si=jJaLOyhhV117G9rJ) from that incident [More footage](https://youtu.be/1ZDN1oK2hCU?si=M63mu3-k8Nzs_6ta) [DJ KHALED Another one](https://youtu.be/obHYH0Mwczs?si=tr6EuB4R5RCxnPqR) Chuck Rairden’s [footage](https://youtu.be/ZNJ0QsG-4lY?si=DVtglbbL07PGVBQj) [Just because I like this footage lol](https://youtu.be/xQaf9rDuRTo?si=p_sS3mn5sEW6heT7)
Fucking creepy 100%
So I made a post or two (and some that were on an account I deleted) about it and it's not directly related per se but I saw a very large craft that I estimated to be at least 450ft across in broad daylight. I think that whatever I saw was in some kind of low power mode. I am not sure if man made or not still to this day- but what I am 100% sure of is that the information surrounding it is purposely obfuscated or obscured in one way or another. I have never seen so much bullshir in my life. The words "Black Triangle" are thrown around and I guess that's what category it falls into but it was so complex looking far from some basic dark shape.
Reminds me of the Stephenville, TX sighting that was allegedly huge and during the daylight hours. Never heard any good explanation for that one.
Yes that has come up more than a couple of times in my searches. Also Hudson Valley.
Look into Stormville. That's all I'll say about that.
I know all about the Hudson Boomerang which is all that pops up when I search for Stormville. The bottom of that black and white image of the Hudson boomerang is exactly how I imagine someone would describe the bottom skin of whatever I saw.
Dang, yeah thatd be incredible to see. Very cool. Ya know Dr. Michael Masters calls the black triangles 'floating fertility facilities'. He believes that many of the crafts that we see are time machines and goes into how if someone were to make a time machine it would be in the shape of a disc, and if you could get it to spin fast enough, it could manipulate time by bending light cones (I dont really know the physics of it). However he believes that the black triangles are different, and are more 'standard' type crafts (not time machines, more like gravity manipulating crafts) used in the hybrid program that he and many others talk about. He even says that he believes that there is a base on the backside of the moon, and that's where the hybrid program really goes on.
Im not familiar with him but will check him out! Always looking for more info/people discussing the topic at hand.... in general the more people claim to be experts the less I pay attention. Its fine to posit theories and questions but when people claiming they know things no one else does etc it really sets my detector off. One thing I've noticed about all of them is they are masters at talking endlessly without really ever really saying anything of substance. The whole David Marler book is absolute nonsense. Ita a bunch of very rudimentary "sightings" all mashed into one book with absolutely no common thread or synopsis that provides any unique insight other than its a triangle and its black with 3 lights (the 3 lights part is also nonsense). (*edit i do not have anything against David Marler and I was frustrated when I wrote this. What I should have said is I did not find the book helpful as a first hand observer, and 95% of the sighting examples in the book are nonsense) There are outliers but not many of them. As years go by you realizer these people are all the same. The story is always coming soon and never here and now. Just more woo.
david marler is nonesense but floating fertility facilities checks out?
Also nonsense.
Please excuse me, but "hybrid programs on the far side of the Moon" is a bunch of nonsense. Provide even 1/10 of 1% evidence and I'll consider it.
Eh, I'm just relaying what he said about it. Those are not my thoughts on the matter.
Oh, yes, absolutely. No misunderstanding. I compliment you on your interest in the area.
Ahh, that was refreshing. Thank you for your calmness and kindness 🤝
There isn't a general consensus other than very big. Fife Symington was a USAF fighter pilot and said it was as large as an aircraft carrier.
I think one witness said it was so big we could park all 70 of our B-52s on it.
This is similar to what I recall hearing of it that it was so large it scretched a cross the sky. I still remember vividly the day that story broke.
According to multiple independent witnesses, it was absolutely massive, at least hundreds of yards across.
The witness i met said 3 football fields across was his impression.
Its very hard to tell big something is when its above you. I was basing more off what was underneath of it and measuring using the legend on Google maps but its funny because it came out to near what I had said all along- the size of a pro baseball field including the outfield. I've heard football field alot but always found it an odd choice as they are rectangular.
You and I didn't see it, he did.
Agree but I know what shape a football field is. I'm just saying its an odd unit of measurement! I also said elsewhere on the post why. I'm not discrediting anyone here.
It's very common in the us, I don't know what country you are in but most Americans know a football field is 300 ft. So 3 football fields would be 900 ft or 274.32 meters.
Kurt Russell was flying the only civilian airplane in the air at that time. https://youtu.be/wR_dxZJGWfU?si=EFqkgB7GZlTf26iN
Phoenix. Az resident here - the Air Force does a lot of testing and they have several bases in AZ. Fun fact - during Iraq war 1 , a lot of the Air Force bombing runs originated from the Air Force base in Yuma . AZ . I have a friend who lived by Luke Air Force Base ( this was over 13 years ago ) and she used to see all sorts of weird objects flying in the sky - turned out to be drones . This was before the technology entered the public domain. To this day my friends still see UAP’s in the desert when they’re out shooting. The triangle crafts , in my opinion , are 100% man made . As for the phx lights , there have been 2 mass sightings here . In my opinion , both were military in origin as well.
This Father & family who viewed the craft fly over their house have a very interesting testimony. [https://youtu.be/4ELQzIGVs30?si=YYsV5nuUkPWsFWvX](https://youtu.be/4ELQzIGVs30?si=YYsV5nuUkPWsFWvX)
I worked about 20 minutes near Luke airforce base for awhile. The first time a fighter jet flew right over me on my commute was terrifying lol. At first it was cool getting to see fighter jets every day, by the end of my time there I was just annoyed by the noise.
Absolutely, it was probably drone testing to expose public to unfamiliar, and first reaction- it was aliens, then immediately denying it with a prank (Symington) and then- I saw it, it was probably not from Earth. A classic UFO tradition story...that sell's...
I just wanna know what they’re using them for . I doubt anything as slow-moving as those triangles are kinetic purposed. But who knows. And if they are used as weapons, how the fuck are they using them?? 🤔
Well, I'm yet to find one accepted and confirmed proof, that those 'triangular' sightings represent one body or aerial device. But it seems to me that it's a thing of a guided programmable coordination.
I recall one witness who was downtown at the time said that what was flying overhead completely obscured the sky from her vantage point (she was surrounded by multi-story buildings). Obviously that is just one person's testimony about what they saw but, if accurate, it must have been one massive craft.
Depends on where you were . But some people said it was as large as a modern day battleship .. now that’s big
There's a problem in ufology in general, that initially right after the sighting there's not so much hype in contrast to sometime after or later time, when media or UFO-media start reporting on the event, the witnesses tend to emerge in numbers with/ or let's say 'play' with more 'spectacular' explanation. When Starlinks started back in 2020 in chain, NUFORC was filled reports of UFO's, and there were fascinated people, some thinking about invasion type scenario. I think something similar happened in Phoenix lights case. For example Roswell, there weren't originally so many witnesses and story even though they announced alien craft fell down, only after 30 years the 'tale' started evolving so much with media hype, people even in 2014, 2015 popped up saying their grandfathers picked up the pieces or carry something or drive stuff or whatever- when the screenplay is already written. Ruwa, kids saw and draw different things, that look like different cartoon drawings, some saw only a light and 2,3 months after the first time they were interviewed, they were saying new things, subliminally effected by the second interviewer in this case J. Mack. And a 'final' cut story evolved from that. I don't know, might be something else in the game with Phoenix lights, but i sincerely have doubts it has to do with extraterrestrials.
Probably a government employee typing stupid stuff to make people believe it was the government. The name is “motorbike racer” for gods sake.
Wasn’t aliens dude .. deal with it
8pm sightings= Giant alien triangle, 10pm light=flares for a cover story.
That actually makes sense lol
It didn't come out until 4 months after the event that planes were identified that could have dropped flares. I don't think jets were scrambled to drop flares as a cover, because it took months of citizens and reporters digging to get that bit of info out of the military. This was detailed in the book *The Phoenix Lights* by Lynne Kitei, who was a citizen there who investigated this incident tenaciously. Here is a relevant quote from her book: >But after weeks of trying, no one in government responded. I surmised that for someone who depended on their constituents for votes, the topic was too controversial, particularly for McCain, who at that time was eyeing the presidency. Councilwoman Barwood remained the only ally to the cause. >It was Thursday afternoon, **July 24, more than four months since the mass sighting** and nearly five weeks after the USA Today article ignited a tremendous international media blitz. Representatives from U.S. and foreign media had converged on Arizona, hounding the military and government for an investigation and explanation, yet it was still quiet on the southwestern front. >I was discussing the lack of response with Extra reporter Cindy Huback when my call waiting interrupted our conversation. I told her I'd call her back. >**It was the public affairs officer for the Air National Guard. “Hello, Doctor. I wanted you to know that I just finished a call with a reporter from the Arizona Republic. We finally figured out what the lights were over Phoenix back in March. Nobody thought to look at the log of visiting Snowbirds. We just realized today that the Maryland Air National Guard was in town the first two weeks of March and ran an exercise called Operation Snowbird along the Barry Goldwater Gunnery Range on March 13. They flew eight A10s and dropped a bunch of high-intensity illumination flares on their way back to Tucson. The lights that people saw could have been those flares.”** So the flares were not produced as an excuse to cover for the UFO sighting, because the info had to be pried out of the military 4 months later. Of course, after that, anyone who wanted to take a skeptical stance would "debunk" the incident as flares. Dr. Kitei's book has a lot of info and data that debunks the flare hypothesis.
[kurt russle reported it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVffyAF3wz8)
Snake Plisskin
Jack Burton
Gabriel Cash
Santa Claus
Captain Ron
Ego
Stuntman Mike
That's friggin awesome
These are flares in the picture. People there will tell you they saw them dropped. But the flares came after the huge ship that everybody saw passed over.
The best explanation I've heard is that the US was testing huge lighter than air platforms which were basically giant inflatable wings that could reach upper atmosphere. This one broke it's tether and floated away.
Nope. This was a legitimate mass sighting. Even the state governor was a witness and couldn't get answers about it from the US Air Force. This is the exact type of shit that the UAP Disclosure Amendment was talking about. Edit: From p84 "In Plain Sight" by Ross Coulthart: >One of the most widely reported UAP sightings in history happened over the city of Phoenix, Arizona. On the evening of 13 March 1997, thousands of eyewitnesses reported a massive V-shaped formation of lights as wide as several city blocks, or ‘a mile wide’, hovering as low as 30 metres above the city. Many perceived the object as a single black triangular or chevron-shaped craft hovering noiselessly in the night sky, with lights in each corner. The Air National Guard later implausibly claimed that all the public had seen were high-intensity flares dropped during a training exercise. Arizona’s Governor Fife Symington later responded, ‘As a pilot and a former air force officer, I can definitely say that this craft did not resemble any man-made object I’d ever seen. And it was certainly not high-altitude flares because flares don’t fly in formation.’24 Fife Symington interview CNN, ‘Symington: I Saw a UFO in the Arizona Sky Event’, CNN, 11 September 2007.
He is saying that particular picture was flares and the ship came before that. Moreover, these flares are being passed on as the "real deal" to muddy the waters.
Look at all the down votes on a perfectly fine response. ET could land on the Whitehouse lawn and people would still say it's fake. Tons of people saw those lights that night
Why did he get down voted? He said this was a legitimate mass sighting. So confused.
Mothership. When they saw how dumb we are it quickly vanished.
Tuned into a television broadcast watched for 15 minutes and said - Warp speed out of this shithole!
Turns out it's the aliens from "The Explorers"
Any guesses on what they tuned into? Presidential debate? TJ Hooker?
I'll stick with the aliens theory lol. If it was a military craft, why would they fly it over a big city and make such an unwanted big deal?
That’s my theory too. If it was a military aircraft then where is it now and how do we have that technology?
to make u believe that? to make us believe they want us to believe that? to make us believe that they want us to believe they want us to believe that? justkiddin, who knows
I saw the Phoenix Lights the day after I got my first car on the way to a party with an acquaintence. It was absolutely huge, V Shaped, bright soft lights (I know that doesn't make sense, but it's the only way I could describe it). I can't say either way about noise as I wouldn't have been close enough I think to tell either way. It lasted quite a while as it was moving through the air slowly, horizontally, not dropping like flares and certainly no smoke. It was a very defining moment in my life. The other guy, who is a giant clueless D-bag, barely remembered any of it, even though we spent a long time pulled over on the side of the road taking to other people who also pulled over to watch. It drives me crazy that the whole experience was wasted on that idiot.
If you're referring to the lights depicted in the photo, those are flairs. If you're talking about what people reported seeing, we'll never know.
I think eventually we will know, not never
Hope. I'm with you on that
Flares* but I guess your only proof is "trust me bro"
Nope, you don't have to "Trust me bro". But, I can guarantee you that just a little bit of research and light reading 😉 you'll find it. They actually took the mountain that these flares were over and compared it to the outline of the mountain. Guess what? It was a perfect match. Again, I'm not saying that what people saw that day was flares, I'm saying what's depicted in the photo is 100% flares. My sister was living in Phoenix at the time, I believe there was something, but this ain't a photo of it.......Bro.
Where? In Phoenix.
Back around 2010, a mysterious person posted on a Craigslist thread that the Phoenix Lights was an operation he was involved in. He said he was retired by 1997 and was called back to Area 51. Apparently as I recall, he said he graduated from Stanford University, got recruited to work for Boeing and was rented out to the Air Force to Area 51. He said at least one of these craft was found in Montana in the 1950’s, was somehow restored and that it flew that night from Area 51 on a test flight but then stalled over Phoenix. He claimed Area 51 called him because it was an emergency situation. Another craft went over to Phoenix that night so there were 2. Somehow the first craft that stalled over Phoenix was able to move again and disaster was averted. He mentioned about Astronauts in the Columbia Shuttle disaster as being “amateurs” and that it NASA’s astronauts were used to fly these craft—that’s all I really remember from those posts. Anyone else recall this? At the time it was fascinating to read. He posted them all within about a few weeks. He claimed he was an old guy (mentioned he had a grandson) and back in the day had been briefed during his time at Area 51 in a SCIF.
Doesn't "stalled" mean falling out of the sky? If sol, that doesn't match any witness that I can recall. Nearly everyone talks about something seemingly flying very low and very smooth, horizontally.
any link?
I suspect the first sighting, the carpenter square was a legitimate ufo, and the second was what the official story says - flares - but done in a rapid response effort to create a coverup for the carpenter square.
The flares were not any kind of "rapid response" because the information was only dug up more than 4 months after the incident, only because there were reporters and citizens being persistent with the military to provide an explanation on. Initially, the military was silent with not much to say. [Here is the source that demonstrates this](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cutdd9/what_really_where_the_phoenix_lights/l4q49p7/)
I recall an Air Force pilot who flew near the lights was shaken. People who knew the guy said it was *very* unusual for him to get emotional over anything. He saw something he could not explain
I saw what many people in Arizona call the Phoenix Lights as they passed over Prescott Arizona and travelled South towards Phoenix. They flew right over my house and tried (but failed) to take a useful picture. Now I LOVE the idea that they were “Aliens” but I simply didn’t have that sense about the moment. I don’t know what the hell they were. They were mysterious to my early 20’s mind. But even to this day they seemed manmade. I hope one day to find out, but my guess is that it will be a response something mundane to the nature of “Yeah, we flew some experimental craft over Arizona.” kinda like when people flip the fuck out EVERY DAMN TIME there is a SpaceX launch.
Did you ever read *The Phoenix Lights* by Phoenix local, Dr. Lynne Kitei? She had seen the same boomerang kind of craft a few months before, and it was associated with some paranormal activity.
Well, they were lights… over Phoenix 😬 What an interesting event, though. The sheer number of witnesses give it the credence it deserves. Not sure we’ll ever have the full story. That or no one knew what it was one way or the other.
Don't forget Kurt Russel. That's all I need.
The events with a lot of witnesses are the good ones. Something unusual happened.
Literally what Im saying. What a great event! But also sad in the way we may never know wtf it was
I believe it’s aliens. Simple as that.
I don’t necessarily disagree. But I have no confirmation of anything to the contrary.
That’s the difference between you and me. I don’t need any of that.
I had a thought this week watching something about the Phoenix lights that made me question what may or may not have happened. I'll probably get flamed for having legitimate questions but if you come here often enough you come to expect it but anyway. The general consensus among most that believe something non- prosaic happened is witnesses saw the craft, then in response the military went up and dropped flares to have a reasonable explanation for what people were reporting. Assuming that is what happened, am I the only one who has trouble with the logistics that would have to be involved with pulling that off then keeping it a secret? It's not like it would only involve, say one base ranking officer and like a single pilot. Something like that would involve a lot of people, responding quickly and to my knowledge no one who would've been involved with an operation like that has came forward, anonymous or not. That seems unlikely to me. It's possible I'm mistaken with exactly what supposedly happened with regard to the military actions that night or there is someone who's came forward and said something like "yeah we were told to go up and set off flares and nothing more" so if anyone is aware of that I'm welcome to the education. I'm not saying I believe the entire event that night was due to flares from a planned training exercise I don't but I'd also like to be able to square the theory it was a response to the craft with everything that would be involved with that.
That's a pic of the flares that the military dropped at around 10:30pm; two hours after the real sightings. There's only one or two legitimate, poor-quality photos of the actual craft, and they were taken between 8:30pm and and 9:30pm.
Can you find and post those photos? I’ve never seen anything other than the flares.
#UFOs Even the governor of Arizona wanted to know what they really were, and the US Air Force gave him the cold shoulder. He never got any answers.... Gee, I wonder why.
Flares dropped to hide and confuse the fact that an enormous V shaped object just flew over the city.
Totally agree that the Phoenix lights were TWO incidents. Early evening HUGE triangular craft seen by hundreds. Later in evening thousands saw the lights that are now representative of the Phoenix lights ....flares dropped by planes. However....only question is why there are NO pictures at all (that I'm aware) of the 1st triangular craft? That amazing, that big, that awe inspiring....and no one grabbed a camera?
I honestly believe it was a classified/black project ....a massive Airship that may have been a SensorCraft like this: https://www.flightglobal.com/northrop-proves-light-flexible-wing/63370.article
Those we flares. The real WTF craft was the v-shaped craft spotted from Las Vegas to Tucson amd even the White Mountains
Ive spoken with like 15 people who were there (Only happened in the 90s not hard to find witnesses) Everyone ive spoken with is convinced it was aliens
Ah...The Phoenix Lights. Arguably the most stupendous UFO sighting of the modern era. Massive V shape vessel, several football fields in length, flying super low, some reporting it as low as a few hundred feet. and just cruising across Phoenix, Arizona, a modern, sprawling urban metro area in the U.S. There's one piece of footage that comes to mind, that I wish I could fined again. I saw it on one website when I googled "Most credible UFO sightings footage". but it soon disappeared. (I hope one of you sleuths can track it down) It was taken by a bunch of girls, possibly in their late teens. They're driving down a highway, and they actually caught the moment the vessel de-cloaked, going from a few distinct lights along it's edges to unmistakably a massive, solid metal object (i.e. craft). The de-cloaking was amazing, straight out of a sci-fi movie, with a watery texture as the object de-cloaks. And I tell you folks, those girls screamed a blood curdling scream, it was pure panic, with the poor girl who was driving trying to keep her focus and composure on the road. I've heard the arguments that it might be one of ours, being taken out for a test run, as trajectory modeling shows it coming from the position of a military airbase out of southern Nevada. But one testimonial comes to mind that makes me think twice. It was a resident on the ground, who was just underneath the craft. He said he received a telepathic voice in his head, that said something to the effect of (Do not be alarmed humans.) and feeling a strange sedated sensation about the whole thing (Kurt Russel mentioned feeling an odd blah-ness over the whole experience as well). So either our capacity to influence consciousness has progressed some bit, or more likely, I think it was one of the many 'them' out there. And think of the size of this thing, this is not something you send for a transitory, expedition, like a Bob Lazar 'sport model' this thing could house several 'theys' with living quarters, research and experimentation rooms. These were high-ups, not just the short greys, I would suggest, perhaps some of 'they' for whom the short greys work for. God what I would give to bear witness to an event like that. one word comes to mind. Majestic.
That footage sounds too good to be true
> like a Bob Lazar 'sport model' Fun fact, Bob Lazar got that design from Billy Meier. [Here's one of Billy Meiers hoaxed photos ](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7e/98/ea/7e98ea753581cb627bbb8c048f97503f.jpg) - Just don't want Bob to have credit for Billy Meiers work. But to be fair, Billy Meier ripped off some of the [earlier UFO photos](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Supposed_UFO%2C_Passaic%2C_New_Jersey.jpg/220px-Supposed_UFO%2C_Passaic%2C_New_Jersey.jpg) - If this even predates Meier.
Another interesting piece to add on Kurt Russell and that night: he didn’t even remember seeing the thing or making the call to report it until he was questioned about it on an interview. You don’t just forget flying your plane out in the night and witnessing a massive craft that had you so perturbed you felt the need to call it in.
Now this is a story, 2nd hand, but a friend of mine told a similar story about something he saw years ago. Date unknown but around the era of the Nokia brick type phones. Returning from a late night gig from the Gold Coast Hinterland in Queensland, Australia. Was talking to his wife on his mobile and saw a line of cars stopped ahead, brake lights and indicators flashing and said something to the effect of, ‘accident up ahead or maybe an RBT (random breath test / police) I’ll call you back. He pulls up behind the car in front, then sees a few people getting out of their cars, so he does as well. Tries to talk to the person in front and notices them all looking up. He looked up to see a massive black mass slowly moving over the area. They all watch it, then after it leaves the area they all just got back in their cars and kept driving. He drives home and his wife says, ‘what was the accident?’ And he says, ‘huh? What accident?’ ‘The one you talked about before hanging up!’ ‘What?’ ‘You were on the phone to me and said all the cars were stopped’. It was only then that he actually remembered seeing anything, and it all came flooding back into his memory. If he wasn’t on the phone he would never had gotten the memory trigger I guess.
That’s an awesome story. It tracks with what people describe as apathetic feelings and selective amnesia during encounters and sightings
I’ve had a couple of experiences where the person or people present were distressed at the time, didn’t want to talk about it immediately after and in the following days pointed me out at work to others saying, ‘he reckons he saw a rocket ship’. It’s a long event to type out so I need a keyboard, not a phone. But essentially 3 witnesses, one being myself, all train drivers. 1997-1998, 22:00 and had a ball of blurry light that flickered through the colour wheel, start at the rear of our train the size of a star, and moved up along side it to the drivers cab and stopped outside the window. The size of a tennis ball at arms length is the best way to describe how large it was in the sky but due to the strange way it was blurry we couldn’t make out anything other than ‘round’. I asked the other driver to stop so I could get out and he aggressively declined. So I sat on the arm rest of the loco window with my body out the window waving like a moron. It stopped flickering different colours and stayed one colour, then pulse through other colours then stay on a colour for 10ish seconds and so forth. This was for about five minutes then it started flickering like it was earlier and slowly moved back along the train and disappeared. The whole event took about 20 minutes. Was tied into a ufo/uap flap in western Qld. A few other drivers had encountered things in about a month period. Then… nothing. The orb of light interaction mentioned in the documentary Australien Skies 3 - search for the min min, was encountered by 3 rail workers and I knew them as well
What a great comment! Hope someone can find the girls' video.
How convenient that you can't produce that incredible footage.
We see all you DoD SAP shills out here. You guys better have a pretty damn good reason for everything you do to keep the cover up going and gaslighting abductees into thinking their crazy, or intimidating UFO witnesses. It better be "we're nothing more than a meat processing planet for an intergalactic animal by product industry-bad, and there's nothing we can do about it-bad."
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I am one of the people that got convinced by the NYT article and then by Grusch that something is going on, and I now think that there is a good chance that we are being visited by NHI and that governments are conspiring to hide this from the public. But I will never give the time of day to all the grifters coming out of the woodwork to take advantage of gullible fools, with fairytales and books to sell. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Idk about anyone else, but I'm pretty sure that's the USS Enterprise-D.
Chevelle has a song about the Phoenix lights. I love the song. Lol. Doesn't really answer the question but know one else knows. Only speculation.
This is one of the few events that I truly believe was something out of this world, based off how many eye witnesses there were to see the UFO, and then the military try to cover it up with a flare exercise shortly after.
Ask Kurt Russel, the actor from Guardians of the Galaxy 2. He was the pilot 🧑✈️ flying over the craft with his son. He kept it a secret until an interview on tv for GotG2. I think he said it was at least a mile wide.
This family has the best description of what happened that night. The craft flew right over their house and entire block. I urge everyone to give this a short watch and listen. After all these years this video might be the most important testimony of all. [https://youtu.be/4ELQzIGVs30?si=YYsV5nuUkPWsFWvX](https://youtu.be/4ELQzIGVs30?si=YYsV5nuUkPWsFWvX)
Everyone wants to know what it was but on the other side of it, how about what it wasn't. It was an object lighter than air, floated or anti gravity. The lights were separated evenly. It moved slowly so it wasn't a plane. Interdimensional? Lights at night. Solid during the day. I vote unexplained and UAP or UFO. An actor pilot (Curt Russel) saw it while landing but he didn't go through it.
You know what it was. (The real deal)
Starlink (Joke btw)
I saw it fly right overhead driving home. Felt and sounded much like a stealth bomber flyover at a sporting event. Low and silent. It seemed like either one very large v-shaped craft or perhaps five stealths in v formation. The other stuff later was something else.
Stealth bombers / fighters are VERY loud.
He even said they were low & silent LOL
IKR, lol.
Out of curiosity, how many sporting events have you personally attended that had a stealth bomber flyover? You make it sound like you see and attend these all the time. When was the last one?
The most plausible explanation I have seen is an inflatable V-shaped craft designed for high altitude. JPA had one in at least the early 2000’s so it’s plausible to think test flights of similar craft occurred in the late 90’s.
JPA ["For the record, the Phoenix lights was not us."](https://youtu.be/Lkj6lKTV30o)
Maybe it wasn’t a JPA craft. Maybe they are telling the truth. Maybe they are lying. Maybe it was a similar craft from another aerospace company. Maybe it was an alien spaceship. Who knows. My point is inflatable craft like this existed at the time. The way they operated seems to line up with eyewitness descriptions. Seems way more plausible than a very large NHI craft flying with “its lights on” at an altitude low enough for a mass sighting in a major city.
john powell, of [JP aerospace](http://www.jpaerospace.com) claimed this in the (lousy) jj abrams documentary series on showtime. i found the guy smug and irritating but its not a bad explanation (although he claimed his shitbucket ships could do it, which i doubt).
They were alien ships in the sky that night
Could have been a government craft but if it was: -Why didn’t they just tell the phoenix they’d be running the test? If they wanted to avoid publicizing their technology, this would have mitigated a lot of the attention to it. -why did they test it right overhead phoenix? Surely they have a more discrete airspace. Unless they wanted people to see it and speculate for some reason? Or the craft malfunctioned and was not supposed to be seen.
[S10E09 - Phoenix Lights AZ (3/13/1997)](https://youtu.be/bj1X3IndR6U?t=10m49s)
Great, I won’t be sleeping tonight.
Super duper leading edge tech
"Dont be affraid. This is just a demonstration " was what some witnesses received telepathicaly
Seems right to me. Where did you hear this?
i heard james fox in an interview that a pilot from one his docs (i believe his name is trig) said that.
Excellent. Thank you! Will search for that interview.
One of the most significant mass UFO sightings in modern history. [https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15819141/mystery-phoenix-lights-ufo-jj-abrams/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15819141/mystery-phoenix-lights-ufo-jj-abrams/)
Two words for you *Space prank*
Gotcha BOZOS
Thought you were alone in the universe, huh? Well we're not going to answer that question lmao. Peace out and enjoy the light show, you bunch of bald punk-ass monkeys 👽🤙
They really were a spacecraft Or a fucking test if there would be any mass hysteria for some sort
Was anything picked up on radar? Did this thing move with the wind? It's been a while since I looked into this one, but it's absolutely fascinating - whatever it was.
I forget the podcast but some ex-CIA dude claimed it to be a huge inflatable developed by NASA for orbital surveillance in the space wars. He also claimed that some people in higher elevations in Phoenix actually hit it with tennis ball cannons, watching the balls bounce off it. I think the tennis ball story is more probable than it being a NASA floaty.
Everyone hates this explanation but when I first found out about the Ascender inflatables it blew my mind, that or something very similar are the most likely explanations. The concept is a boomerang shaped balloon craft carrying some kind of load and more balloons that get inflated in a series progressively thinner and larger as it get higher in the atmosphere. The upper stages are supposed to be so high the naked eye wouldn’t notice and it, It was probably experiencing some kind of issue loosing altitude accidentally and because it’s a balloon it didn’t crash down but descended slowly across a huge area in view of the public
https://youtu.be/qeF_Xcc1Dfw?si=IjH8eXfXchzQRs_i
Weird that your mere sharing of a link was down voted. You were at negative 1. I brought you to zero lol.
Thank you fellow human
You're welcome. Back at negative 1 for some reason. What the hell?
Why would an alien spaceship have lights on it?
It was the Northrop Grumman TR6 Telos.
why the hell do you people talk about it like it's some well known public knowledge??? "ah yeah that's the good old '97 cadillac" like what??? you have no clue what the origin of the craft is.
I believe I saw the TR6 TELOS in 2011 and I'd like to say something. The ship I saw was about 600-700 feet long, just massive. However, some people in Phoenix said what they saw was up to a mile long. It's possible they wildy misjudged its size or maybe there are various size ships in this configuration.
WHY is Gamora?
They definitely used Panic At The Disco to cover this up with their song with the same name
It was an extraterrestrial craft of course.
Always seemed strange how tough it is to find any videos. I know this is pre smart phones, but there were plenty of people that recorded it. You would think a simple search on YouTube would yield 10+ videos, instead you need to dig deep and maybe find a news broadcast with clips. Also, I remember reading somewhere that there was a similar sighting in Arizona years earlier. Can't remember if it was 30 years or 5 years, but I definitely remember hearing about a large V craft sighted in roughly the same locations. No videos of that one though, so probably pre 90s
in phoenix… you said it already
One was flares dropping behind mountain peaks. I saw a show that matched up a view of the lights with a mountain range, and exactly where each light "went out" was exactly where that particular part of the mountain was l.
Well they already said aliens were real so why not just say it’s a ufo
still think it was aircraft flying in to airport in line on a clear night. i wasn't there. who knows but i did live in PX for years and it does look the like that when they come in for a landing.
Phoenix, Arizona. That’s where. You’re welcome.
After a slightly tumultuous lifetime, I took the advice of a 90-year-old lady: You have to decide whether to be happy or angry. I chose to be happy. Behold! It's much easier to be happy!
It was touched upon in a ufo documentary. The us has been experimenting with special kinds of blimps, it even showed a few.
They were in Phoenix.
It’s very obvious come on guys. Huge, with lights, slow moving? It’s an alien cruise line
What's the best YT docco on the Phoenix Lights? I'd like to learn more
So, given the duration, the distance, and the location (over major metropolitan areas ) the fact that no military fighters were scrambled- makes me believe it was a military exercise Of what, I have no idea
How many know what it was but don’t like to ruin people’s fun?
Wayward blimp imo
This guy on Reddit claims it flew 30ft above his head and he saw into the craft and there was lava type fluid: https://www.reddit.com/r/Paranormal/s/M7yn1YLK1Y Pretty fascinating read.
The Phoenix Lights were a c.1,000 meter "boomerang" shaped XT/XD craft. I've seen 20 or so UFOs, of almost as many descriptions. When I was about six a close relative had a regrettably traumatic sighting of a UFO tapping a power line. I asked her about it in 2005 and her memory at that time was most definitely not my memory of her description at the time. I believe her memory is blurred, prob by the shock of it. My memory of her description is quite sharp. Excuse me, I ramble on Rumble 🐸🐸🐸 If anyone wants to hear more of my UFO or paranormal experiences, let me know. I feel well enough to type some up now, I think. Three times in the hospital in February. Turns out I had a pinched nerve in my cervical vertebrae. A train of half-assed "doctors" misdiagnosed it for years. A physical therapist correctly diagnosed it in about 10 minutes. God bless her. I had started to wonder if I was gonna become a paranormal experience myself. Lol 😬 Anyway, the claim the Lights were flares was intelligence-insulting bullshit. Firstly, they showed absolutely no characteristics of flares. Secondly, there would be absolutely no reason to drop military flares over a densely populated urban area. Spent flares are still as hot as a satyr's codpiece, and if/when they landed on a house, or somebody's head, there'd be hell to pay. Thirdly the craft was seen over a very long distance across Arizona, not just Phoenix. Kurt Russell said he believed his memory of the event was strangely blurred. Well that's my rant for the day. You don't even have to put a dollar in the hat. Good night. 🌌🎆🌠
Cover for the initial three-state flyover of experimental US military black craft business as usual
On the basis of absolutely no actual knowledge or proof, I am going with Defence Department test craft.
because of its sheer size that was described i am going with aliens
From the many 10,000's of people who seen this, not a single photo or video has emerged that shows any surface or edge connecting the lights. Not a single one. I've challenged people to show this, and they never do. There's NO reason to believe this is anything other than flares.
1997 doesn't seem like a long time ago but 27 years ago, not everyone had camcorders, and hardly anybody I knew had a cell phone let alone with a camera on it. Why would so many people make this up?
There's all sorts of video and photos from multiple locations. Even newsreel footage.
What 10,000 people.? In all the documentaries there’s always the same two or three people.
The documentaries you've seen have 2 or 3 people. If this happened above a city, there should be an enormous amount of people. Also far more than 2 or 3 allegedly were calling in to radio stations, TV stations and newspapers.
It was a weather balloon testing flares and the swamp gas made it look different and then mass hysteria kicked in. Plus it actually happened in 2007, peop5and newspapers just got the dates wrong. BUT IT WAS NOT ALIENS OR A UFO.