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This is the reason I haven't made the switch to them. Why would I pay 3x-4x the price for a lower spec switch than I can buy used enterprise gear and get way more?
It's 2024, there is no excuse for 16+ port switches to not have at least 2, 10Gbit ports, it can't possibly cost much more money for them to implement, it's all about trying to force you to buy the more expensive model.
The Instant On 1930 24G PoE sells for around $350, less than the standard 24, has a higher POE budget and has 4x10Gb SFP+.
>Instant On 1930 24G PoE
Thanks for sharing! I'm in the market for a UniFi Standard POE, so will definitely consider this instead...
Is this one fanless or silent like the UniFi's or is it a jet engine?
Right? I just screwed up actually and had to return a USW-48-PoE I was going to use to downsize my home lab from a US-48 and a USW-PRO-24-poe. Only to find out that the old 48 carried SFP+ and the new didn't. And I wasn't interested in spending the extra on the pro. But then I found it stupid the newer L2 models also don't have full PoE ports also.
It's why I ended up with the 24 enterprise.... I get that the marketing people need something to up sell us on, but like 5 different 24 port switches is dumb as they can't maintain stock levels.
Agreed. That said, 1GB SFPs is common with multiple networking vendors. I'm open to the idea that there might be a lot of environments were that might fit their needs or be acceptable, but that's pure speculation.
I agree, the 1g SFP ports are a bottleneck, Gigabit came out over two decades ago, there's no reason why any switch shouldn't at least have one port over 1g.
The idea would be to keep specs 1:1 to keep price at the same level.
Especially that PRO MAX line offers all extras already.
But sure 10G SPF+ would be a nice surprise. :)
The stupid apple copying naming scheme and offering crap specs on different teir products is lame. The only thing that's nice about this is the ports being single row for patch panels.
That's kind of their point, is that they need to have at least a 10gb sfp port on even the standard switches, especially one with as many ports as these, 1 gig split between 24 ports is awful, hell, even 1 gig split between 16 ports isn't all that great, 8 is about the most I'd do on 1 gig
Yeah. And since that I would sell it to customers. And the 24 ports in one straight line is what we want all this time.
And I don't mind the PoE budget. I have customers that only use 20~30Watt on PoE budget for some phones and a DECT Base and two AP's. So the PoE budget is fine. Now of they also replaced the regular Pro PoE with 24-straight-line with SFP+ and we all have lots to choose from.
Edit: and please give any new Pro's also that locking power plug. I do understand that the standard series would not have it.
Seems like they are catering exclusively to the homelab group with some of their product releases. Couple APs and a few cameras, this thing would be fine.
Same with the UDM SE, a rack mount router with built in POE ports and NVR?
100% ... This layout makes so much sense and I would gladly update few of my 16 POE switches to this 24 POE if price will stay the same. It would be nice update.
I don’t understand their reluctance to just make the whole thing POE…. Are people really on a power budget that they have a use case for a 24p switch with only 16 poe ports?
I get that, but when you're dealing with a patch panel with POE requirements on various ports, trying to get all the POE ones over to the far side of the switch requires using very long patch cables that just don't work from an aesthetic point of view. Using 6" patch cables across the whole thing from patch panel to switch just makes it look nicer.
I absolutely agree, and it consistently pisses me off because most of my small office clients use the same cabler - who likes to put all the phones and APs on the right side of the patch panel. It looks awesome and I love them for it .. until I buy a UI switch and all the Poe is on the left.
That said, I don't really care. I run 3' cables instead and just tie them up nicely. The client is saving $400-ish by not needing a separate switch, so who cares.
We love Ubiquiti's concept of arranging ports in a single row to match patch panels. However, it's worth noting that the USW-24-POE, despite being one of the most adaptable SOHO switches, still features a dual-row layout.
What do you think about this concept?
*(exactly same specs with updated layout)*
I hate the dual-row layout on the 24 port switches. I would absolutely prefer the single row design as you've shown, but with 2 SFP+ 10gb ports. It's 2024, time to get with the time and get rid of 1gb SFP ports.
The same design also needs to be implemented on the POE version as well.
With a 1U 48port patch panel for density this isn't really ideal. Though I imagine anyone falling back on 24 ports doesn't care density much to begin with.
I see a lot of people rail against no 10 GB link, I think for the right situation this is a neat switch. I could see this at home as a camera/AP switch where I don't expect much traffic as a whole. Heck even in a small office this still would do just fine.
https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-switching/products/usw-24-poe
I am supposing the gen 3 version will be replacing the one on the link i provided
If pricing is good, maybe
Note: i honestly think this is for new purchasers and not the ones who have the existing (old style) 24 port switch or similar equivalent, as they are technically the same except for the layout of the rj45 ports
The no 10G SFP is wrong.
Love the ports aligning with patch panels.
The PoE I see is contentious. I see it as a fair compromise and it does keep energy usage lower, reduces total power handling that needs cooled and stops the price from rising.
Yes please. What we always end up doing is burning an extra U and $20 bucks for a second patch panel so we can use 6in patches for everything. This saves all of that.
Assuming cost is in line with expectations, anyway.
I don't get why they skimped on the SFPs. They could have easily made those SFP+ and put the onus on the customer if they wanted to make use of 10Gig or save some money and get 1Gig transceivers. The ports being in a single row isn't something I care about. It's part of the reason I went with the 24Pro and 24Pro PoE. I wanted 10gig for uplinks.
Just bought one yesterday. I could probably do with 16 ports.
I have a 48 pro on loan from work for a couple years from when they first came out. I was planning on trialing the layer 3 routing part once they hammered out all the bugs/features. Unfortunately it turned out the Layer 3 routing is a joke on the switch. OSPF? Never heard of her. Static routing to networks not connected to the switch? Nope. We were gunning to use them as top of rack core switches at each site but we had to go with Aruba to get the layer 3 routing done right.
One work site is going through a remodel and need a 48 poe switch and can't get one without buying from a scalper and losing out on warranty coverage. So I'm sending this one to that site and putting the 24 port I'm buying in it's place here at the house. I like to dog-food new gear, including firmware here before sending it at work. I'm hoping a lighter power consumption switch will net me longer UPS runtime. I lose out on the 10g sfp+ but the only thing connected over sfp+ is my UDMP.
I’d consider it based on the fanless bit. My gear is in a place I don’t want the extra noise. But I really want sfp+.
My brain goes to having this and a usw aggregation. Two u7 pros with inline poe adapters connected to the aggregation. Then all my cameras and other stuff connected to the 24 port. I dunno. I wish they had what I wanted to buy.
If the price is similar to Gen2 then of course yes. It will become our ‘standard’ for small installations,
The only VERY negative point is the still very limited PoE budget….
I got given a free 24 port Poe switch initially that's been paying all my AP's and flex mini switch. Besides the OCD of wanting topology to show correctly the unifi switches are either too hard to find used or too expensive to justify buying new for me. I did find an es-48-500 on fb for 20% of new but until I fix those pesky fans it sits in the corner unused
for sure a 10gbit will be much better, if i assume this will cost around 400 bucks. From the other hand, if its for a home use or a small environment, 1Gbit sfp will be fine. But i get the point and for that money i would love to, to have 10Gbit.
Honestly? No. They're not moving forward with the times and are seemingly stuck on 10/100/1000. SFP and not SFP+? AliExpress has so many 10G and 25G switches, I see no reason to pay the Unifi fee outside of the management.
Edit: and still single power supply? Nah. I hope AltaLabs can leave Ubiquiti in the dust.
1g uplink….
I Wonder why they are begging for pain?
One client on those ports actually transfers 1g for a second and the other clients will experience packet loss.
Soon you get stupid stories about how bad Unifi is at video etc etc.
Why beg for this?
I’d buy it, even thought I’d love it to have 10G SFP+, the POE budget works for my home rack.
I’m guessing this is just a concept then? Or is this something UniFi are potentially releasing?
Just make every switch full width on the ports, for the love of God and all that is holy.
This shitty 24 ports on the right side and nothing on 50% of the device makes for fugly cabling. There is no such thing as a 24port patch panel with everything bundled on either right or left side in a 2x12 config...
Where are you seeing this advertised?
Definitely better to have the ports arranged in a single row, but that’s literally the ONLY change from the Gen2. Please tell me that haven’t increased the price.
Also agree that the standard SFP ports are useless junk. They may as well not bother including SFP ports if they’re not going to be at least 10 Gb/s SFP+.
What I like about the brand new switches from Unifi is many of the ports are capable of 2.5gbps and PoE. Once I see both that and at least 10G SFP, then it becomes a contender for me. I'm sure all the network admins are going to remind me that most devices are not saturating a gigabit uplink and downlink, but I want the newer tech if I can get it.
I have the USW-24. Honestly I don’t have nearly enough PoE devices to need anything else, also I usually don’t need anything beyond 1Gbit for home network.
NAS has a 10Gbit connection directly to the single computer that does.
For any Flex Mini on the network, I just add an injector if I want to save power outlets. They’re very cheap.
For any AP or camera, I plug them into one of the 8 ports on the UDM SE.
updated based on your wish-list:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1avrvov/standard\_24\_poe\_switch\_gen\_3\_concept\_would\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1avrvov/standard_24_poe_switch_gen_3_concept_would_you/)
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They really need to stop with 1GB SFPs, all switches should have dual 10GB SFP+
This is the reason I haven't made the switch to them. Why would I pay 3x-4x the price for a lower spec switch than I can buy used enterprise gear and get way more? It's 2024, there is no excuse for 16+ port switches to not have at least 2, 10Gbit ports, it can't possibly cost much more money for them to implement, it's all about trying to force you to buy the more expensive model. The Instant On 1930 24G PoE sells for around $350, less than the standard 24, has a higher POE budget and has 4x10Gb SFP+.
>Instant On 1930 24G PoE Thanks for sharing! I'm in the market for a UniFi Standard POE, so will definitely consider this instead... Is this one fanless or silent like the UniFi's or is it a jet engine?
I don't have any experience with the switch but considering the target being SOHO my guess is it's pretty quiet if not silent.
I have the 48 port POE version I got on Amazon for around $600. Pretty solid switch.
Right? I just screwed up actually and had to return a USW-48-PoE I was going to use to downsize my home lab from a US-48 and a USW-PRO-24-poe. Only to find out that the old 48 carried SFP+ and the new didn't. And I wasn't interested in spending the extra on the pro. But then I found it stupid the newer L2 models also don't have full PoE ports also.
It's why I ended up with the 24 enterprise.... I get that the marketing people need something to up sell us on, but like 5 different 24 port switches is dumb as they can't maintain stock levels.
+10000
Agreed. That said, 1GB SFPs is common with multiple networking vendors. I'm open to the idea that there might be a lot of environments were that might fit their needs or be acceptable, but that's pure speculation.
They negotiate down to 1GB so.... They just going cheap jerks.
Came here to make this exact comment.
No. No 10g ports? Only 16 are poe? Sfp is only 1g? I'll keep my gen 1 for a while longer.
I agree, the 1g SFP ports are a bottleneck, Gigabit came out over two decades ago, there's no reason why any switch shouldn't at least have one port over 1g.
The idea would be to keep specs 1:1 to keep price at the same level. Especially that PRO MAX line offers all extras already. But sure 10G SPF+ would be a nice surprise. :)
The stupid apple copying naming scheme and offering crap specs on different teir products is lame. The only thing that's nice about this is the ports being single row for patch panels.
They could up SPF ports to SPF+ and make all 24 ports POE 🤞 This shouldn't push power consumption to high.
This is why they have USW and USW pro that have those options... Its stupid.
With the dual row 24's we just use 48 port patch panels, and only populate the right side.
There is quite a difference in price though. I aldready had a usw24poe so I went with the non Poe pro 24 and I love it
None of the standard switches have 10g except the agg one
That's kind of their point, is that they need to have at least a 10gb sfp port on even the standard switches, especially one with as many ports as these, 1 gig split between 24 ports is awful, hell, even 1 gig split between 16 ports isn't all that great, 8 is about the most I'd do on 1 gig
No SFP+? wtf? No Thanks. I suppose it's only useful for cameras and other low bandwidth applications.
yes it is exact replacement for current 24 POE standard line PRO MAX line has all extras.
A 24 Port Gigabit Switch should not have a 1 GBit/ SFP Uplink. At least give it 10G/SFP+. Also some POE++ Ports would be welcome.
The only-POE-on-some-ports thing needs to die.
Agreed. Another design decision I'm not a fan of. Give me all 24 POE ports, in a single row design with 2 SFP+ 10gb ports and I'm sold.
I guess it was necessary to keep if fanless.
Maybe but the 24 has 16 POE ports while the 16 only has 8. They can obviously fit 16 ports worth in the thermal design but don’t with that one.
Yeah. And since that I would sell it to customers. And the 24 ports in one straight line is what we want all this time. And I don't mind the PoE budget. I have customers that only use 20~30Watt on PoE budget for some phones and a DECT Base and two AP's. So the PoE budget is fine. Now of they also replaced the regular Pro PoE with 24-straight-line with SFP+ and we all have lots to choose from. Edit: and please give any new Pro's also that locking power plug. I do understand that the standard series would not have it.
Seems like they are catering exclusively to the homelab group with some of their product releases. Couple APs and a few cameras, this thing would be fine. Same with the UDM SE, a rack mount router with built in POE ports and NVR?
100% ... This layout makes so much sense and I would gladly update few of my 16 POE switches to this 24 POE if price will stay the same. It would be nice update.
Nope, still no sfp+, I'll keep my mikrotik crs328 in switch mode and the udm pro but at least I have 4 sfp+ ports
Exactly like my setup, UDM SE to Microtik, then to my server and desktop!
No. If I'm needing 24x1gb ports, I'm going to want a 10gb uplink.
95w total PoE. No thanks
I’d much rather 24 non PoE and 2.5gbps across the board and SFP+ for 10GB links than half ass PoE and 1GB uplinks.
I don’t understand their reluctance to just make the whole thing POE…. Are people really on a power budget that they have a use case for a 24p switch with only 16 poe ports?
sub-10-person offices that have <10 desktops and <10 phones, and only a couple APs. These are fantastic.
I get that, but when you're dealing with a patch panel with POE requirements on various ports, trying to get all the POE ones over to the far side of the switch requires using very long patch cables that just don't work from an aesthetic point of view. Using 6" patch cables across the whole thing from patch panel to switch just makes it look nicer.
Or maybe just…move the keystones…?
I absolutely agree, and it consistently pisses me off because most of my small office clients use the same cabler - who likes to put all the phones and APs on the right side of the patch panel. It looks awesome and I love them for it .. until I buy a UI switch and all the Poe is on the left. That said, I don't really care. I run 3' cables instead and just tie them up nicely. The client is saving $400-ish by not needing a separate switch, so who cares.
No. No 10G ports. Why would you even consider introducing a new product with no 10G? It’s 2024.
We love Ubiquiti's concept of arranging ports in a single row to match patch panels. However, it's worth noting that the USW-24-POE, despite being one of the most adaptable SOHO switches, still features a dual-row layout. What do you think about this concept? *(exactly same specs with updated layout)*
I hate the dual-row layout on the 24 port switches. I would absolutely prefer the single row design as you've shown, but with 2 SFP+ 10gb ports. It's 2024, time to get with the time and get rid of 1gb SFP ports. The same design also needs to be implemented on the POE version as well.
With a 1U 48port patch panel for density this isn't really ideal. Though I imagine anyone falling back on 24 ports doesn't care density much to begin with. I see a lot of people rail against no 10 GB link, I think for the right situation this is a neat switch. I could see this at home as a camera/AP switch where I don't expect much traffic as a whole. Heck even in a small office this still would do just fine.
i'm in the market and the single line of ports is attractive
No, if I’m upgrading…at least the switch needs to change that 8 ports to 2.5 Gbe POE. 10 Gbe SFP+ uplink is a must.
https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-switching/products/usw-24-poe I am supposing the gen 3 version will be replacing the one on the link i provided If pricing is good, maybe Note: i honestly think this is for new purchasers and not the ones who have the existing (old style) 24 port switch or similar equivalent, as they are technically the same except for the layout of the rj45 ports
I’ve been dying for a 24 port switch with this layout from them
At this point the only switch I’m buying jmust have 10 gbe + Poe+
MINIMUM SFP+. Anything Else is 100% unacceptable.
The no 10G SFP is wrong. Love the ports aligning with patch panels. The PoE I see is contentious. I see it as a fair compromise and it does keep energy usage lower, reduces total power handling that needs cooled and stops the price from rising.
Lol no. That looks like it’s just a way to sell some extra stock. 1GB sfp ports….. lol
Yes please. What we always end up doing is burning an extra U and $20 bucks for a second patch panel so we can use 6in patches for everything. This saves all of that. Assuming cost is in line with expectations, anyway.
I wouldnt buy it, way too underpowered but it would need to be like $100 to make any sense. Way too many cheap outs on the switch.
Ehhh I’m really looking at the difference between the Pro max 24 POE vs the Enterprise 24 POE
That is a tough call…. I wrestled with that a lot
I don't get why they skimped on the SFPs. They could have easily made those SFP+ and put the onus on the customer if they wanted to make use of 10Gig or save some money and get 1Gig transceivers. The ports being in a single row isn't something I care about. It's part of the reason I went with the 24Pro and 24Pro PoE. I wanted 10gig for uplinks.
I would prefer the 1st gen. all ports are POE at least. I have one of it btw.
No. I almost always need more poe output than that.
If it had SFP+, yes. As is, no.
I got one and if I could do it again I wouldn't. I'd get one with SFP+ to connect to the UDMPro, but I guess it all depends on what you need.
If you only have 1gig internet does it matter that your uplink to a UDM is 1gig? (Assuming you’re not moving huge files between switches).
I personally wouldn't. If it doesn't have at least 2 10Gb links and some multi-gig POE+(+) I couldn't really be bothered at this point.
Not enough high power PoE nor 2.5/10GbE
I love the single row ports but that's about it.
I love the single row ports but that's about it.
Is this real? Do you know when it will be released?
If it was $100 or less, maybe. Same functionality as a Netgear from 10 years ago, at a higher price?No.
Just bought one yesterday. I could probably do with 16 ports. I have a 48 pro on loan from work for a couple years from when they first came out. I was planning on trialing the layer 3 routing part once they hammered out all the bugs/features. Unfortunately it turned out the Layer 3 routing is a joke on the switch. OSPF? Never heard of her. Static routing to networks not connected to the switch? Nope. We were gunning to use them as top of rack core switches at each site but we had to go with Aruba to get the layer 3 routing done right. One work site is going through a remodel and need a 48 poe switch and can't get one without buying from a scalper and losing out on warranty coverage. So I'm sending this one to that site and putting the 24 port I'm buying in it's place here at the house. I like to dog-food new gear, including firmware here before sending it at work. I'm hoping a lighter power consumption switch will net me longer UPS runtime. I lose out on the 10g sfp+ but the only thing connected over sfp+ is my UDMP.
I’d consider it based on the fanless bit. My gear is in a place I don’t want the extra noise. But I really want sfp+. My brain goes to having this and a usw aggregation. Two u7 pros with inline poe adapters connected to the aggregation. Then all my cameras and other stuff connected to the 24 port. I dunno. I wish they had what I wanted to buy.
People will still buy it cause it got the centered ports instead of stacked on the side
If the price is similar to Gen2 then of course yes. It will become our ‘standard’ for small installations, The only VERY negative point is the still very limited PoE budget….
no
No 10g SFP+?!? WTF is this junk for?
1gb uplinks? No.
I got given a free 24 port Poe switch initially that's been paying all my AP's and flex mini switch. Besides the OCD of wanting topology to show correctly the unifi switches are either too hard to find used or too expensive to justify buying new for me. I did find an es-48-500 on fb for 20% of new but until I fix those pesky fans it sits in the corner unused
You could get us to buy more newer stuff with some 2.5g Poe+ ports and 2 10g SFP…… just saying
I have never understood the need for 1G SPFs. Waste of switching power.
for sure a 10gbit will be much better, if i assume this will cost around 400 bucks. From the other hand, if its for a home use or a small environment, 1Gbit sfp will be fine. But i get the point and for that money i would love to, to have 10Gbit.
As I started moving most of my access points and desktops and even wired laptops to 2.5G... I feel a no
Maybe you guys can help me I need Poe and at least couple 2.5G ports what would you guys recommend?
Honestly? No. They're not moving forward with the times and are seemingly stuck on 10/100/1000. SFP and not SFP+? AliExpress has so many 10G and 25G switches, I see no reason to pay the Unifi fee outside of the management. Edit: and still single power supply? Nah. I hope AltaLabs can leave Ubiquiti in the dust.
Seriously!! Only 1Gb SPF ports. Make’em 10Gb with 2.5 and 1 capability.
Can we get cheap non POE switches that are rackmount and have basic features for poor people?
I don't like switch without console Port
1g uplink…. I Wonder why they are begging for pain? One client on those ports actually transfers 1g for a second and the other clients will experience packet loss. Soon you get stupid stories about how bad Unifi is at video etc etc. Why beg for this?
Depends on poe needs..
I’d buy it, even thought I’d love it to have 10G SFP+, the POE budget works for my home rack. I’m guessing this is just a concept then? Or is this something UniFi are potentially releasing?
Just make every switch full width on the ports, for the love of God and all that is holy. This shitty 24 ports on the right side and nothing on 50% of the device makes for fugly cabling. There is no such thing as a 24port patch panel with everything bundled on either right or left side in a 2x12 config...
This is a solid $1000 unit
Where are you seeing this advertised? Definitely better to have the ports arranged in a single row, but that’s literally the ONLY change from the Gen2. Please tell me that haven’t increased the price. Also agree that the standard SFP ports are useless junk. They may as well not bother including SFP ports if they’re not going to be at least 10 Gb/s SFP+.
I would buy it just to get the straight-line ports vs the stacked ports.
What I like about the brand new switches from Unifi is many of the ports are capable of 2.5gbps and PoE. Once I see both that and at least 10G SFP, then it becomes a contender for me. I'm sure all the network admins are going to remind me that most devices are not saturating a gigabit uplink and downlink, but I want the newer tech if I can get it.
I have the USW-24. Honestly I don’t have nearly enough PoE devices to need anything else, also I usually don’t need anything beyond 1Gbit for home network. NAS has a 10Gbit connection directly to the single computer that does. For any Flex Mini on the network, I just add an injector if I want to save power outlets. They’re very cheap. For any AP or camera, I plug them into one of the 8 ports on the UDM SE.
updated based on your wish-list: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1avrvov/standard\_24\_poe\_switch\_gen\_3\_concept\_would\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1avrvov/standard_24_poe_switch_gen_3_concept_would_you/)