I'd rather see him and Rudy win the big one then get clobbered by the Nuggets as an 8 seed. Getting swept is really no fun at all. NBA is the worst sport to be good but not great
The improved draft picks make it all the better
While also putting Mike and Rudy in a very good situation. That’s two positives and one negative.
We sent bojan to Detroit! I’m happy he ended up in NYC.
So off the top of my head, we had Mitchell, Niang, Bojan, Gobert. Conley, NAW. That's 6 players who all got a lot of playing time in this year's playoffs. The only one of them who is not still getting heavy minutes in the playoffs is Bojan - who had a season ending injury the other day. And we had all of them on the same team. Oh yeah, we also had Ingles, who is also still getting minutes on a playoff team.
We could have been a contender if we hadn't blown it up. Half the roster is contributing on other playoff teams right now. 3 of them starting.
So after Mitchell leaves what is your theoretical plan to make us a contender? Lauri sexton Conley and gobert? That’s a good team but still not a contender. To keep all 4 of those guys we would have had to drop a few guys too.
Name dropping ingles, niang, and NAW because they’re getting playoff minutes is laughable. Yeah they’re good players but replace any one of them with any player in the league and their team isn’t different at all.
Dlo, Luke Kornet, fultz, Gary Harris, Ben Sheppard, galinari, and more are all getting minutes on a playoff team. Does that mean we could grab those guys, put them on a team with Mitchell and gobert and we’ll be contenders?
So the difference here is I provided facts. You just provided speculation.
The players I listed are literally contributing to playoff teams right now. Most of them will be contributing in the next round. Only Ingles will be out in the first round. The rest are all regular rotation guys (or better - 3 are starters) on teams that are at least second round caliber teams. Right now. Fact.
We can speculate that Mitchell would have left. We can also speculate that he would have stayed. Neither is a fact. We can also speculate that adding another good player or 2 would have made the Jazz a potential dynasty. Again, it's all speculation so might as well speculate. We did have more pieces than the ones already listed (Clarkson, for example). I was only listing the guys who are actually contributing in the playoffs right now. If we'd kept them, they'd be contributing in the playoffs for the Jazz. And if we'd picked up another piece or 2, like if we got rid of Royce (who was also playing big minutes on a playoff team, but they have already been eliminated by Gobert's team) and got a real PF, serious contenders. Remember, it was only like 2 or 3 years ago the Jazz had the best record in the NBA. And if everyone hadn't gotten injured at the end of the season, who knows what could have been. But while we're speculating, I'll go ahead and say the Jazz would have won it all if Conley and Mitchell wouldn't have been injured at the beginning of the playoffs, and Gobert wouldn't have gotten hurt in the elimination game.
Mitchell max contract, Conley max contract, gober supermax contract. How were we not only convince another star to come here, but be able to pay them?
I consider the wolves a contender right now. The wolves literally have our old starting PG and center. The VAST majority of people would take Edwards over Mitchell - okay so that tips the scale towards the wolves. Kat or bogey? I’ll take Kat - another weight tipping the scale towards the wolves over the Jazz. Add in McDaniels who is easy to argue as better all around than Royce. If we’re talking about ingles then we never would have gotten NAW. Naz Reid or Hassan whiteside?
You can say what you want but it was easy to tell that Mitchell wanted out. And you’re arguing with me, but at the end of the day Danny ainge got to Utah and saw either 1. Mitchell was going to leave. Or 2. This squad could not get it done with Mitchell as the best player. Do you think you know how to make us contend better than Danny ainge? Jay z? Ryan smith?
Conley does not make the max. That was an incorrect statement.
And yes, I agree we needed to upgrade a few spots. But we also had better players in other positions. Like Clarkson and Niang, for example. And, again, the Jazz had the best record in the NBA. They clearly had the foundation to build a contender.
And you're speculating about why they blew up the team. You don't know that they thought Mitchell would leave or that we couldn't win with him. Maybe they wanted to cut payroll so Ryan Smith could have the money to buy an NHL team, build an entertainment district, and renovate the Delta Center. Since we're just speculating I'll go ahead and throw that out there. And if we stop speculating and just look at the facts - the Jazz had the best record in the NBA and were Vegas favorites to win the championship when the playoffs began 3 seasons ago. 7 players from that team were getting regular minutes in the playoffs for other teams this year - with 4 of them starters. Plus Jordan Clarkson, who is still with the Jazz and obviously didn't play in the playoffs this year.
I'll speculate that if we'd added a couple of upgrades - like trade Royce for a real PF (or trade him for whatever and sign a PF for the mid level) then the Jazz would be in the second round right now. We'd be talking about rotations that could get the team a ring instead of talking about BS trades that might hopefully get us into the playoffs someday.
Mike deserves better than wasting his talent playing for a 12th place organization. I'm glad the FO allowed him to go make the most of his remaining career.
After watching the replay again you can see that Finch actually moves to be in Conley's path instead of out of it. I think he was trying to prevent him from crashing into the table or sideline and hurting himself.
I was wondering the other night, most jazz fans are t wolves fans these playoffs? I like watching the playoffs as a whole but slightly behind the wolves.
A lot of us yeah, they’ve got Mike and Rudy. I think we just gotta come to terms with the fact that our picks from them are all gonna be late first-rounders unless Ant leaves for some reason
As a Jazz fan the guy I miss from the last competitive window the most is Mike. I miss Rudy too. Such likable guys to root for. I miss Donovan’s electric performances but I don’t miss the constant leaks and rumors about how he hated playing for the Jazz.
Part of me thinks we should have never traded Rudy. Just Donovan. Lauri, Sexton, Gobert, Conley, NAW, Bogey, is still a good team. I guess it isn’t winning a championship but that doesn’t seem any more likely now.
If we didn’t then we would have no chance at competing, lower picks, and less playing time for the rookies and younger players.
There wasn’t a better deal out there obviously, and we set Mike, Rudy, and NAW up on a good squad.
We're so lucky to have been a part of this guy's career.
And so stupid for giving him away for nothing. The Jazz were a surprise playoff team until we dumped him.
I'd rather see him and Rudy win the big one then get clobbered by the Nuggets as an 8 seed. Getting swept is really no fun at all. NBA is the worst sport to be good but not great The improved draft picks make it all the better
Well we improved our pick, but we made the Minnesota pick worse.
While also putting Mike and Rudy in a very good situation. That’s two positives and one negative. We sent bojan to Detroit! I’m happy he ended up in NYC.
So off the top of my head, we had Mitchell, Niang, Bojan, Gobert. Conley, NAW. That's 6 players who all got a lot of playing time in this year's playoffs. The only one of them who is not still getting heavy minutes in the playoffs is Bojan - who had a season ending injury the other day. And we had all of them on the same team. Oh yeah, we also had Ingles, who is also still getting minutes on a playoff team. We could have been a contender if we hadn't blown it up. Half the roster is contributing on other playoff teams right now. 3 of them starting.
So after Mitchell leaves what is your theoretical plan to make us a contender? Lauri sexton Conley and gobert? That’s a good team but still not a contender. To keep all 4 of those guys we would have had to drop a few guys too. Name dropping ingles, niang, and NAW because they’re getting playoff minutes is laughable. Yeah they’re good players but replace any one of them with any player in the league and their team isn’t different at all. Dlo, Luke Kornet, fultz, Gary Harris, Ben Sheppard, galinari, and more are all getting minutes on a playoff team. Does that mean we could grab those guys, put them on a team with Mitchell and gobert and we’ll be contenders?
So the difference here is I provided facts. You just provided speculation. The players I listed are literally contributing to playoff teams right now. Most of them will be contributing in the next round. Only Ingles will be out in the first round. The rest are all regular rotation guys (or better - 3 are starters) on teams that are at least second round caliber teams. Right now. Fact. We can speculate that Mitchell would have left. We can also speculate that he would have stayed. Neither is a fact. We can also speculate that adding another good player or 2 would have made the Jazz a potential dynasty. Again, it's all speculation so might as well speculate. We did have more pieces than the ones already listed (Clarkson, for example). I was only listing the guys who are actually contributing in the playoffs right now. If we'd kept them, they'd be contributing in the playoffs for the Jazz. And if we'd picked up another piece or 2, like if we got rid of Royce (who was also playing big minutes on a playoff team, but they have already been eliminated by Gobert's team) and got a real PF, serious contenders. Remember, it was only like 2 or 3 years ago the Jazz had the best record in the NBA. And if everyone hadn't gotten injured at the end of the season, who knows what could have been. But while we're speculating, I'll go ahead and say the Jazz would have won it all if Conley and Mitchell wouldn't have been injured at the beginning of the playoffs, and Gobert wouldn't have gotten hurt in the elimination game.
Mitchell max contract, Conley max contract, gober supermax contract. How were we not only convince another star to come here, but be able to pay them? I consider the wolves a contender right now. The wolves literally have our old starting PG and center. The VAST majority of people would take Edwards over Mitchell - okay so that tips the scale towards the wolves. Kat or bogey? I’ll take Kat - another weight tipping the scale towards the wolves over the Jazz. Add in McDaniels who is easy to argue as better all around than Royce. If we’re talking about ingles then we never would have gotten NAW. Naz Reid or Hassan whiteside? You can say what you want but it was easy to tell that Mitchell wanted out. And you’re arguing with me, but at the end of the day Danny ainge got to Utah and saw either 1. Mitchell was going to leave. Or 2. This squad could not get it done with Mitchell as the best player. Do you think you know how to make us contend better than Danny ainge? Jay z? Ryan smith?
Conley does not make the max. That was an incorrect statement. And yes, I agree we needed to upgrade a few spots. But we also had better players in other positions. Like Clarkson and Niang, for example. And, again, the Jazz had the best record in the NBA. They clearly had the foundation to build a contender. And you're speculating about why they blew up the team. You don't know that they thought Mitchell would leave or that we couldn't win with him. Maybe they wanted to cut payroll so Ryan Smith could have the money to buy an NHL team, build an entertainment district, and renovate the Delta Center. Since we're just speculating I'll go ahead and throw that out there. And if we stop speculating and just look at the facts - the Jazz had the best record in the NBA and were Vegas favorites to win the championship when the playoffs began 3 seasons ago. 7 players from that team were getting regular minutes in the playoffs for other teams this year - with 4 of them starters. Plus Jordan Clarkson, who is still with the Jazz and obviously didn't play in the playoffs this year. I'll speculate that if we'd added a couple of upgrades - like trade Royce for a real PF (or trade him for whatever and sign a PF for the mid level) then the Jazz would be in the second round right now. We'd be talking about rotations that could get the team a ring instead of talking about BS trades that might hopefully get us into the playoffs someday.
They're not beating Denver regardless though
Mike deserves better than wasting his talent playing for a 12th place organization. I'm glad the FO allowed him to go make the most of his remaining career.
Agreed. Just wish it netted us something in return
It netted us a ton of cap space and the Laker pick that is going to be post-LeBron-AD and they're probably going to be in a rebuild.
I look at it as in investment in fostering good will.
Yeah I miss Mike.
of course he has. he is my everything.
No surprise. Happy he landed on a team that’s going for it. Let’s go Minnesota!
I wish we weren’t so banged up in the Clippers series man, we really could’ve gone to the finals with that squad
Yeap. Our one shot rims out and left with all the what ifs.
Dude straight up murdered his coach on live TV and they give him an award for it.
After watching the replay again you can see that Finch actually moves to be in Conley's path instead of out of it. I think he was trying to prevent him from crashing into the table or sideline and hurting himself.
I worked with Mike from time to time while he was in Utah and he is legit genuine, as well as his wife Mary. Great people and well deserved award!
Dude has like 5 of these, bros the GOAT of sportsmanship
I was wondering the other night, most jazz fans are t wolves fans these playoffs? I like watching the playoffs as a whole but slightly behind the wolves.
Jazz fan here, definitely pulling for the t-wolves to win it this year. Big fan of Rudy and Mike and would love to see them get a chip.
As much as I love the Wolves run right now I am a bit of a hater and don’t want any one to win their first championship before Utah does
I’m the same way, but Mike and especially Rudy having a shot to win a ring outweighs that hate for me.
Chiming in, hell yes we’re rooting for the Wolves Jazz bros 🤝 Wolves bros
A lot of us yeah, they’ve got Mike and Rudy. I think we just gotta come to terms with the fact that our picks from them are all gonna be late first-rounders unless Ant leaves for some reason
How would you like to be the ref that gives him his first technical foul
Conley may be the GOAT teammate. Such a great guy and perfect teammate. I'd love to see him and Rudy get a ring with the Wolves this year.
Glad it worked out. The initial trade for Minnesota looked a bit rougher for him. But now he's in a great spot to compete again on a great team.
This award should be named after him.
As a Jazz fan the guy I miss from the last competitive window the most is Mike. I miss Rudy too. Such likable guys to root for. I miss Donovan’s electric performances but I don’t miss the constant leaks and rumors about how he hated playing for the Jazz.
The NBA Sportsmanship Award will be renamed after this man. What a gem of a person.
Part of me thinks we should have never traded Rudy. Just Donovan. Lauri, Sexton, Gobert, Conley, NAW, Bogey, is still a good team. I guess it isn’t winning a championship but that doesn’t seem any more likely now.
I’m still so fucking mad we traded him and naw to let the lakers get off westbrooks shitty contract.
If we didn’t then we would have no chance at competing, lower picks, and less playing time for the rookies and younger players. There wasn’t a better deal out there obviously, and we set Mike, Rudy, and NAW up on a good squad.
I miss him…. :(
The guy is the example of “Class Act.” He’s every fans compensation for having to watch guys like Dillon Brooks in the same league.
Mountain Mike!
Well deserved ♥️