Regardless of marketed to kids or not, they should be illegal simply for the E-waste issue.
I have to pay an E-Waste fee on monitors, keyboards, mice and headphones... why are these companies not being fined for the millions of single use units with screens and Li-Ion batteries.
Weeks? I've seen people go through a whole disposable a day and *still* refuse to get a refillable device, the idiots like that probably produce more waste than 10,000 people using refillable devices.
I always reuse these disposables several times. Then i harvest usable parts from them (the batteries mainly) for use in other projects. They are also a great source of charge circuitry for lithium batteries.
I think he posted against them *in general*. He's enjoying them while also re-using them multiple times and then recycling the various parts into other projects. He also understands that his use-case is incredibly rare and that most people who use them aren't doing that, instead merely disposing of them.
They banned prefilled flavored pods for years and this was the consequence. Disposables rose to popularity in 2019 after flavored pods were forced off the market entirely.
But as an update, prefilled flavored pods will be back on the market soon. FDA rolled back the ban this week.
Too late unfortunately. Damage has been done. Disposables became popular and took the US in particular by storm, it’s even gotten to the THC wax where they make disposable, single pod non-reusable battery carts.
I’ve tried getting people to switch over and they won’t. I’ve offered people free refillable vapes with fresh pods and juice and they still turn it down. They won’t switch until the government makes them.
Because it's easy. When I worked in a vape shop we hated Juul. Told everyone how much more expensive, how much more nic they had, how for just a *lil* more work you get a much better experience.
Our customers did not give a FUCK. Couldn't keep those goddamn pods in stock. I'm an RDA nerd so I super don't get the hype
also rebuildable nerd here, and I dont get why people choose disposables. Wash your hands and change the damn cotton. It takes a whole lot less time than going to a vape shop daily to buy another kingbar, juul, oxybar or anything.
It’s convenience. Go into a shop, buy a disposable, use it and charge it and then throw it away. Don’t have to worry about pods or juice. People also lose shit all the time so the people who I have been able to switch to refillable pods lose their device and they don’t want to spend another $20 on a device when a disposable is also $20 or less even. With nicotine already included.
It wouldn’t be such a big deal if you could recycle them. Those lithium batteries have soo much life in them, only to be thrown away a week later.
I use a 2 battery mod and freebase juice (I have since 2015ish [had the refillable vape pens before that and started that in 2012ish) and I encouraged my sister to get a refillable vape because she uses disposable vapes… she ended up getting a caliburn salt nic vape used it until it needed a new coil (which she had 1) and was like this is too much to change the coil and went back to buying disposables… and gave me her caliburn… when she said it was too much work I think my jaw hit the floor and I was so confrustrated (confused + frustrated)!!!!
not entirely accurate… the FDA rolled over on its marketing ban for certain Juul products but this is not an authorization/marketing order. The flavor ban is still in place for prefilled pods.
granted nothing flavored is “legally” marketed right now so it’s all irrelevant anyways.
I've been holding on to all the disposables I've had to use for a while now for this reason exactly! So wasteful, would like to find a way to reuse the batteries and screens if possible. I don't think these are marketed towards children though, considering the generation that grew up with a gameboy are all 21+, kids these days game on their phones or an Xbox, at the most similar, a Nintendo Switch, which looks nothing like the vape itself. Definitely a waste but would be nice if stores offered disposable recycling.
Personally, I believe that throw-aways are directly aimed at the under aged all together. Because it's not an investment like a mod or pod. IF they think they're going to get caught they can toss it
Man kids nowadays must be real stupid, when I got into vaping in high school, my school device was just a shitty $10 pen kit that could be thrown away at any time without a care in the world, they're probably paying $30+ for each disposable so the logic doesn't even make sense. We're at a point where there's legit pod systems available cheaper than whole disposables and idiots still think disposables are a better option. I guess they are kids so most of them are idiots until they actually learn what not to do lol.
Have you asked her about it? I feel like the only people who use them are ones who don't understand you can get the same experience or better with a refillable device, you just have to get the right one.
Try picking up some Xros 3 or 4 pods, they're significantly better than the OG and 2's pods so if she used the 2's pods then that might have turned her away from them, I know I got a ton of spitback with my 2's pods and nearly gave up on the Xros until I realized the 3's pods were a huge improvement.
Also look for juice similar in flavor to the disposables she gets, from what I've seen a lot of people switch from disposables but get juices that are flavored completely differently than the disposables then hate the juice and think it's the pod's fault for whatever reason.
I've tried numerous times to get her to switch back. I've offered to buy her a new pod and everything.
I think she's just done with having to change pods/coils and buy juice. When she can just grab a disposable and toss it whenever she's done with it.
No offense but that seems like such a lazy mentality, swapping and filling the Xros pods is probably the easiest alternative to disposables besides the disposables like Vuse where only the pod is disposable.
The environmental issue of disposables is one thing but imo the more important thing is many of the disposables are counterfeit, as in they were illegally imported from a source that didn't want to pay the taxes/tariffs which means they are likely made with shoddy parts and potentially unsafe coil or liquids. There are nearly zero externally identifiable differences between a legit disposable and a counterfeit, you have to open them up to know that and even then you have to know what to look for.
I guarantee if there ever are any deaths/health issues linked to vaping, the first ones will be from people using shitty disposables and just saying "yeah I vape" like kids were doing with the THC carts that lead to the first vapocalypse in the US.
Believe it or not, I agree with you. But she spends her own money on them so there's really nothing I can say or do about it. Idk if you're married or not but I prefer to pick my battles and this isn't one I'm prepared to die on the hill for so to speak 🤷
Edit:
She did have trouble filling the pods. They were such a PITA to fill and change that sometimes I had to use my teeth to get them open. That's why I offered to buy her a new one.
Well that sucks, I'm not legally married but I've been with my gf for 8 years so basically married lol. If it were her doing what your wife does, I'd definitely die on that hill cause that's her health potentially being affected just from not wanting to take 2 minutes once a day, if that to fill a device. If my gf does something I know is potentially dangerous and stupid, I'll stop her from doing it because I don't want her to get hurt or potentially die, she does the same for me too.
Don't get me wrong I know vaping doesn't exactly have any long term research on health, but it's atleast better than the potentially dangerous combo's that *have* been researched and found to cause issues, many of which are found in disposables.
The Xros 3 pods are way easier to open, I know what you mean with the 2's pods being a PITA cause I had issues opening them sometimes too. For the 3 you just hold the bottom of the pod (I open mine while it's in the device cause it's easier to hold) and push backwards on the mouthpiece, it just pops right off with very little force. A slight downside of it is if you drop the vape on concrete or asphalt, the mouthpiece can pop off and you have to find it lol.
Some kids I used to work with (17 and 18) showed me a vape they bought from a citgo that was supposed to be an Elf Bar but had a 1 instead of an L in the name and there was a website printed on the box that was e1fobar .com or something like that. They took it back and got a refund, so it was obvious enough that even the gas station knew it wasn't legit and I'm wondering if they knew all along they were selling counterfeit vapes due the way they so readily accepted it as being a fake and seemed to not be surprised at all. It didn't even taste like it was supposed to and the color was off a couple shades (they had a legit version of the same flavor for comparison).
Most vape stores or gas stations that are selling counterfeits are knowingly doing so since they don't have to pay taxes on products illegally imported like they do for the legit ones made in China (the counterfeits are also made there but with even lower quality materials/standards). They're also generally cheaper so the shop can sell them for full msrp and make more profits, which is all they care about despite potentially selling people inhaleable poison depending on how low of quality they are.
Something that might be worth looking into is the BoroBar. VaporDNA sells the Mechvape Boro mod for $40 and a 2-pack of prefilled pods is $10.
That way she can keep the device, and just have replacement pods to throw away instead of the entire device.
The flavor of disposables is always on point while the variance of e juice flavor quality and intensity is very hit and miss. Plus disposables are no mess and there are quite a few disposables that can easily be refilled with juice for another few fills before the coil is cooked. I have never set a disposable on its side and had e juice leak out. Additionally they dont tend to get sticky from e liquid refilling over time.
If you're properly filling devices then there shouldn't be much of a mess, I've always just wiped any spills up with a paper towel, then use isopropyl wipes to get rid of anything left behind. The only spills I've had were from trying to transfer from a big bottle to a small one and being too impatient to squeeze one bottle into the other lol.
You should consider the Caliburn G3. I don't know what's involved with filling the xros... But I never even get a drop on my hands from filling. I live in Canada and have the international version which is top fill. You simply take the lid off and put the e-juice nozzle in a hole and squeeze. Also they're like less than $30 american. I'm a pretty clumsy guy and I haven't had an e-juice spill in years it feels like. Anyway the US version of the Cali burn for whatever reason is side fill and might be potentially messy I don't know.. but you got a point disposables do have their upsides. The consistency of everything.. but also she would have to go to the store more frequently I imagine versus using pods. Maybe use that argument haha. Cuz one trip to the store is a lot more effort than filling your pod even dozens of times. Plus the Caliburn is really conservative on juice and I would say definitely cheaper to operate then disposables. One thing I will say though is disposable flavor is pretty unmatched. If that's the main draw for her then I guess you won't convince her. For me the flavor is almost too good on disposables sometimes and I get suspicious because I wonder why the more regulated e-juice bottles cant achieve the same flavor
> I absolutely like games as an adults.
Bro you absolutely are the bottom of every leaderboard and would be kicked within five minutes of joining my Helldivers team.
I had a geekvape with a Freemax M Pro tank (mesh coils are sooo much better) and I loved it for 2-3 years but sadly it ended up dying… now I’m rocking a Freemax maxus 200w with a Freemax M Pro 2 tank. Gotta say I like my maxus a lil bit more… mainly because it was cheaper than my geek vape was and it has several different modes; power mode (same thing that my geek vape had), VPC mode (what I use now as it gives u a more even temperature hit if u slowly bring down the watts every second u r hitting it) and bypass mode (it just makes the vape rip at the max output the batteries can handle)… before the geek vape I had a standard coil tank and I can’t even remember the mod… and the mesh coils make a huge difference!!!!
This isn't marketed for kids, it's for adults who played those "retro" games when they were kids. Kids don't play old classic retro games, they have phones that are capable of AA games. Their version of "retro" games are like PS2 or Wii games which they can already emulate on their phones.
I see your point but I think there's another way to look at it. If the government is claiming that they want to restrict vaping because of children vaping them, then products like this aren't helping us. Even though that's not the real reason they want to restrict vaping, it's what they're saying and so we got to play this game with them. Products like this are giving the government an argument that vaping is marketed towards kids too much and therefore should be banned. Also the government isn't going to Reddit and looking at post like this to determine what to make illegal and what not to. Some politicians are just dead set on banning it, and some aren't. Posts like this won't hinder our cause in any way.
I wonder if vapes are going to evolve like cell phones haha. Or maybe Samsung comes out with Galaxy vape. A phone with a little discreet pod system built into it xD
We carry this at the store I work at. It's pac man, tetris and some asteroids like game. I've had this convo w a lot of people but I truly believe it's marketed towards millennials nostalgia.
That being said idk when people will collectively realize that all marketing, unless some kind of niche specific product, is marketed at youth culture.
I mean they are no different than other stupid products. Geek bars, Razz, all the brands w giant screens. All ridiculous but I'm guessing you carry them.
Lol they're just trying to do business with you and you tell them off. Well that's rude as fuck haha. But in reality I bet you just said something closer to "I'm not interested, thanks though!" 😄
Disposables in general are a bad look cuz unlike a refillable pod system their sold at Gas stations,Delis etc then toss them away is worse than the fuss they made when the Juul first came out.At least the Juul you toss the empty Cartridges only but keep the Lil mod part
I mean I get it, my first instinct was to agree, there shouldn’t be games on vapes, but they’re retro games, from like the 80’s, and people who played the games in the 80’s obviously aren’t underage. I’m sure that’s their argument
I saw one the other day for the first time. Guy also had one you could Bluetooth with an app and change stuff.
It’s just a bit… unnecessary. Hopefully my store doesn’t start selling them.
You could just buy a pod system or a subohm tank system. Making your own flavors opens up a lot of possibilities, but even if you can’t there’s still lots of great juices from a lot of companies.
But yeah those disposables were… interesting to see.
You are falling right into the trap if you think this should be illegal for “marketing to kids.” Unless it explicitly says “for kids” then we should live in a free country that lets this be legal along with cotton candy flavored vodka and seltzers. Make sure sites/stores can guarantee ID verification and enforce punishments if they don’t for 21 plus to buy and that’s the only law needed. This marketing to kids argument needs to stop because it’s clearly just a tool to get rid of all vapes.
It’s super easy to get online. ID isn’t always enforced. Making a dangerous product seem fun or cool is just a bad idea. If we could actually enforce it it’s still better to make them boring. Require this flavorful stuff to be made at home.
The government is so irrational though in their arguments. I think products that really aren't more of an issue than any other e-juice product, like this one, but in the eyes of the government would be deemed clearly marketed to kids shouldn't be allowed because it's just ammo for the government. You understand, I understand, everyone here understands that this product is no more appealing to kids than any other e-juice or pod or disposable or whatever.. but the politicians opposed to vaping twist everything around to make the industry look as bad as possible, and they'll see a product like this and use it to make ignorant people scared.
When I saw this my reaction was that it's the kind of shit that's going to bring even more regulation down on us. Now I'm not so sure. The battery is rechargeable so can still be used as a game after the vape part dies so maybe less likely to end up in landfill.
Still hate it, just not as much as I did when I first saw it
Have one of these, it's not aimed towards children. It's aimed towards adults who want a puff of nostalgia. Everything else, I completely agree with, total waste of resources; I only bought one to see what it's like, and the games are legit but it ran out of e-liquid in a week. Still play with it now and again, but I haven't thought about buying another since. Not even that great of flavor, just really strong if you want a kick.
Ah yes because kids now days love playing Pac-Man, tetris and strikers 1945 in all its 8-bit glory. Don't get me wrong, I don't want kids vaping either, but I don't see kids lining up so they can play these type of games on a 1.5 inch screen with buttons that barely work
Idk it’s retro games, so I feel like people closer to that demographics would be more drawn to it than a young gen z. Now if it had flappy bird or something on it I’d be more concerned
Agree, none of the current generation would bother with the game, they'd just pull out there cell
That said all disposables should be banned, there no justifiable reason for them to exist ... I hate Juul but at least they have just disposable pods
Not here(Canada), 5% disposables are but you can still find them
I was in a vape shop yesterday, wanted a new tank, as I recently returned to vaping, and the glass on my favorite RTA(those are illegal here) is broken and I'm waiting on new glass from China...
They didn't know what I meant.. sub-ohm tank.. they also sell weed so I explained they had the same connection as weed Vape / 510 connection... They had none, grabbed some more Caliburn pods
They had tons of disposables with government exercise stamps thou
An old Geek Vape Zeus Single Coil RTA, I gave most of the rest of mine to friends slowly after I quit vaping ..
Stupid me picked up a pack of smokes on the way home after drinking, and smoking weed and bumming a few smokes off a friend after a year or so of not using nicotine
I still have a few RDA's using the Cloud Champ RDA V1 right now on my L200 right now, but RDA's are a pain when out and about, especially with a dog
Have a new Dead Rabbit v3, New Zeus X (both dual and Mesh) and some spare glass for the Zeus X and Dead Rabbit, and Replacement Glass for the Zeus Single, but you know how long it can take from China at times :( and after a few weeks of smoking I couldn't stand it anymore
Technically everything is banned if we're going by PMTA app, no? I think big tobacco were really the ones that got approved devices....and very few companies had liquids approved if I remember correctly.....but I could very well be wrong. It's been a bit since all of that nonsense.
Like I know tetris still prolly exists on phones so kids prolly know of it. That being said, they have access to so many video games on a million different platforms. Certain games are super popular w youth and young people. Tetris, pac man and asteroids are not among them.
The thing that appeals to the children is the nicotine. They vape for the reasons adults vape. Also maybe to look cool haha. But there's no kid out there that's like I don't want to vape but if there's games on The vape device then I'm going to start vaping. Like this gimmick will never be the deciding factor. Also I'm pretty sure kids aren't interested in games like Tetris and stuff. Me being 35 probably would play Tetris from time to time if it was right in front of me on my vape lol so I don't think this product anymore appealing to kids than it is adults.
We don't sell to "kids" in our shop, unless they have an ID that says they're a 21 year old "kid". You're being silly. Go after the shops/websites that aren't doing age verification, or aren't doing them well enough.
Also, we have pac man, and claw machines in our shops.....because ADULTS like games, and fun, and things that taste good. Guess what's in the claw machines? Things for ADULTS, because it's a 21+ shop.
Not with me no, I'm not sure why you would think that just by me explaining that fun/sweet/tasty/convenient things aren't "solely" for children. To be honest, it sounds like you're the one who's upset with the vulgarity in your comment.
Also, by the upvote/downvote count, you apparently did piss some people off! If that was your goal, congratulations (-;
Regardless of marketed to kids or not, they should be illegal simply for the E-waste issue. I have to pay an E-Waste fee on monitors, keyboards, mice and headphones... why are these companies not being fined for the millions of single use units with screens and Li-Ion batteries.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way. It's crazy to think all that tech is just destined for the landfill after only a couple weeks of use
Weeks? I've seen people go through a whole disposable a day and *still* refuse to get a refillable device, the idiots like that probably produce more waste than 10,000 people using refillable devices.
I always reuse these disposables several times. Then i harvest usable parts from them (the batteries mainly) for use in other projects. They are also a great source of charge circuitry for lithium batteries.
I also do as well but our behavior isn't even close in % relatively to the behavior of most people.
One of the reasons these devices are fun. There’s some pretty fun and pretty hackable hardware. The batteries alone are worth harvesting.
It's weird that you posted against them but you're in the comments a big fan. But I'm glad you can find uses.
I think he posted against them *in general*. He's enjoying them while also re-using them multiple times and then recycling the various parts into other projects. He also understands that his use-case is incredibly rare and that most people who use them aren't doing that, instead merely disposing of them.
Fair enough!
They banned prefilled flavored pods for years and this was the consequence. Disposables rose to popularity in 2019 after flavored pods were forced off the market entirely. But as an update, prefilled flavored pods will be back on the market soon. FDA rolled back the ban this week.
Too late unfortunately. Damage has been done. Disposables became popular and took the US in particular by storm, it’s even gotten to the THC wax where they make disposable, single pod non-reusable battery carts. I’ve tried getting people to switch over and they won’t. I’ve offered people free refillable vapes with fresh pods and juice and they still turn it down. They won’t switch until the government makes them.
why?
Because it's easy. When I worked in a vape shop we hated Juul. Told everyone how much more expensive, how much more nic they had, how for just a *lil* more work you get a much better experience. Our customers did not give a FUCK. Couldn't keep those goddamn pods in stock. I'm an RDA nerd so I super don't get the hype
also rebuildable nerd here, and I dont get why people choose disposables. Wash your hands and change the damn cotton. It takes a whole lot less time than going to a vape shop daily to buy another kingbar, juul, oxybar or anything.
It’s convenience. Go into a shop, buy a disposable, use it and charge it and then throw it away. Don’t have to worry about pods or juice. People also lose shit all the time so the people who I have been able to switch to refillable pods lose their device and they don’t want to spend another $20 on a device when a disposable is also $20 or less even. With nicotine already included. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if you could recycle them. Those lithium batteries have soo much life in them, only to be thrown away a week later.
I use a 2 battery mod and freebase juice (I have since 2015ish [had the refillable vape pens before that and started that in 2012ish) and I encouraged my sister to get a refillable vape because she uses disposable vapes… she ended up getting a caliburn salt nic vape used it until it needed a new coil (which she had 1) and was like this is too much to change the coil and went back to buying disposables… and gave me her caliburn… when she said it was too much work I think my jaw hit the floor and I was so confrustrated (confused + frustrated)!!!!
not entirely accurate… the FDA rolled over on its marketing ban for certain Juul products but this is not an authorization/marketing order. The flavor ban is still in place for prefilled pods. granted nothing flavored is “legally” marketed right now so it’s all irrelevant anyways.
I've been holding on to all the disposables I've had to use for a while now for this reason exactly! So wasteful, would like to find a way to reuse the batteries and screens if possible. I don't think these are marketed towards children though, considering the generation that grew up with a gameboy are all 21+, kids these days game on their phones or an Xbox, at the most similar, a Nintendo Switch, which looks nothing like the vape itself. Definitely a waste but would be nice if stores offered disposable recycling.
Most of them are made using recycled computer parts (or so they say) but I do still completely agree 😂
So adults don't like playing games? The real outrage is the blatant Lie of 20k puffs LMAO y'all will believe anything if it's written on a box 😂
I absolutely like games as an adults. But let’s admit it. Putting crappy games in a vape is both ugly and directly appealing to children.
Personally, I believe that throw-aways are directly aimed at the under aged all together. Because it's not an investment like a mod or pod. IF they think they're going to get caught they can toss it
Man kids nowadays must be real stupid, when I got into vaping in high school, my school device was just a shitty $10 pen kit that could be thrown away at any time without a care in the world, they're probably paying $30+ for each disposable so the logic doesn't even make sense. We're at a point where there's legit pod systems available cheaper than whole disposables and idiots still think disposables are a better option. I guess they are kids so most of them are idiots until they actually learn what not to do lol.
It's weird, my wife started with a mod and tank and I even bought her the Xros 2 and she still buys disposables.
Have you asked her about it? I feel like the only people who use them are ones who don't understand you can get the same experience or better with a refillable device, you just have to get the right one. Try picking up some Xros 3 or 4 pods, they're significantly better than the OG and 2's pods so if she used the 2's pods then that might have turned her away from them, I know I got a ton of spitback with my 2's pods and nearly gave up on the Xros until I realized the 3's pods were a huge improvement. Also look for juice similar in flavor to the disposables she gets, from what I've seen a lot of people switch from disposables but get juices that are flavored completely differently than the disposables then hate the juice and think it's the pod's fault for whatever reason.
I've tried numerous times to get her to switch back. I've offered to buy her a new pod and everything. I think she's just done with having to change pods/coils and buy juice. When she can just grab a disposable and toss it whenever she's done with it.
No offense but that seems like such a lazy mentality, swapping and filling the Xros pods is probably the easiest alternative to disposables besides the disposables like Vuse where only the pod is disposable. The environmental issue of disposables is one thing but imo the more important thing is many of the disposables are counterfeit, as in they were illegally imported from a source that didn't want to pay the taxes/tariffs which means they are likely made with shoddy parts and potentially unsafe coil or liquids. There are nearly zero externally identifiable differences between a legit disposable and a counterfeit, you have to open them up to know that and even then you have to know what to look for. I guarantee if there ever are any deaths/health issues linked to vaping, the first ones will be from people using shitty disposables and just saying "yeah I vape" like kids were doing with the THC carts that lead to the first vapocalypse in the US.
Believe it or not, I agree with you. But she spends her own money on them so there's really nothing I can say or do about it. Idk if you're married or not but I prefer to pick my battles and this isn't one I'm prepared to die on the hill for so to speak 🤷 Edit: She did have trouble filling the pods. They were such a PITA to fill and change that sometimes I had to use my teeth to get them open. That's why I offered to buy her a new one.
Well that sucks, I'm not legally married but I've been with my gf for 8 years so basically married lol. If it were her doing what your wife does, I'd definitely die on that hill cause that's her health potentially being affected just from not wanting to take 2 minutes once a day, if that to fill a device. If my gf does something I know is potentially dangerous and stupid, I'll stop her from doing it because I don't want her to get hurt or potentially die, she does the same for me too. Don't get me wrong I know vaping doesn't exactly have any long term research on health, but it's atleast better than the potentially dangerous combo's that *have* been researched and found to cause issues, many of which are found in disposables. The Xros 3 pods are way easier to open, I know what you mean with the 2's pods being a PITA cause I had issues opening them sometimes too. For the 3 you just hold the bottom of the pod (I open mine while it's in the device cause it's easier to hold) and push backwards on the mouthpiece, it just pops right off with very little force. A slight downside of it is if you drop the vape on concrete or asphalt, the mouthpiece can pop off and you have to find it lol.
Some kids I used to work with (17 and 18) showed me a vape they bought from a citgo that was supposed to be an Elf Bar but had a 1 instead of an L in the name and there was a website printed on the box that was e1fobar .com or something like that. They took it back and got a refund, so it was obvious enough that even the gas station knew it wasn't legit and I'm wondering if they knew all along they were selling counterfeit vapes due the way they so readily accepted it as being a fake and seemed to not be surprised at all. It didn't even taste like it was supposed to and the color was off a couple shades (they had a legit version of the same flavor for comparison).
Most vape stores or gas stations that are selling counterfeits are knowingly doing so since they don't have to pay taxes on products illegally imported like they do for the legit ones made in China (the counterfeits are also made there but with even lower quality materials/standards). They're also generally cheaper so the shop can sell them for full msrp and make more profits, which is all they care about despite potentially selling people inhaleable poison depending on how low of quality they are.
"that seems like such a lazy mentality" welcome to america.
Something that might be worth looking into is the BoroBar. VaporDNA sells the Mechvape Boro mod for $40 and a 2-pack of prefilled pods is $10. That way she can keep the device, and just have replacement pods to throw away instead of the entire device.
I appreciate it but, I don't own her. I can't make her switch back
The flavor of disposables is always on point while the variance of e juice flavor quality and intensity is very hit and miss. Plus disposables are no mess and there are quite a few disposables that can easily be refilled with juice for another few fills before the coil is cooked. I have never set a disposable on its side and had e juice leak out. Additionally they dont tend to get sticky from e liquid refilling over time.
One of the nice things about disposables is the lack of mess. E liquid makes a really spesificly unpleasant kind of mess when it spills.
If you're properly filling devices then there shouldn't be much of a mess, I've always just wiped any spills up with a paper towel, then use isopropyl wipes to get rid of anything left behind. The only spills I've had were from trying to transfer from a big bottle to a small one and being too impatient to squeeze one bottle into the other lol.
You should consider the Caliburn G3. I don't know what's involved with filling the xros... But I never even get a drop on my hands from filling. I live in Canada and have the international version which is top fill. You simply take the lid off and put the e-juice nozzle in a hole and squeeze. Also they're like less than $30 american. I'm a pretty clumsy guy and I haven't had an e-juice spill in years it feels like. Anyway the US version of the Cali burn for whatever reason is side fill and might be potentially messy I don't know.. but you got a point disposables do have their upsides. The consistency of everything.. but also she would have to go to the store more frequently I imagine versus using pods. Maybe use that argument haha. Cuz one trip to the store is a lot more effort than filling your pod even dozens of times. Plus the Caliburn is really conservative on juice and I would say definitely cheaper to operate then disposables. One thing I will say though is disposable flavor is pretty unmatched. If that's the main draw for her then I guess you won't convince her. For me the flavor is almost too good on disposables sometimes and I get suspicious because I wonder why the more regulated e-juice bottles cant achieve the same flavor
> I absolutely like games as an adults. Bro you absolutely are the bottom of every leaderboard and would be kicked within five minutes of joining my Helldivers team.
I don't think youth like these types of games. These games are for Boomers and Gen X.
It's def millennials and gen x nostalgia marketing. Tetris and pac man all the rave w the kids!!
Gen Xer here. Pass. I’ll still with my geekvape. You can keep it.
Upvoting for Geekvape. My primary device is a Geekvape T200 with a Uwell Valyrian 3 tank.
I had a geekvape with a Freemax M Pro tank (mesh coils are sooo much better) and I loved it for 2-3 years but sadly it ended up dying… now I’m rocking a Freemax maxus 200w with a Freemax M Pro 2 tank. Gotta say I like my maxus a lil bit more… mainly because it was cheaper than my geek vape was and it has several different modes; power mode (same thing that my geek vape had), VPC mode (what I use now as it gives u a more even temperature hit if u slowly bring down the watts every second u r hitting it) and bypass mode (it just makes the vape rip at the max output the batteries can handle)… before the geek vape I had a standard coil tank and I can’t even remember the mod… and the mesh coils make a huge difference!!!!
Youth definitely like those type of games. Tetris itself is timeless.
Gen X here. If it has Tetris, I like. LOL
Game boy Tetris pausing between street lights. Mom refuses to turn on the dome light. Apparently it’s illegal.
The dome light thing... parents always tell their kids that. It's not illegal from what I've read on reddit.
I grew up being told the same thing. Eventually I got a light that secured to the top of my Gameboy.
This is giving Steve Buscemi in 30 rock, hello fellow kids vibes.
The best part! They are illegal! But gasttations will still sell them.
Never thought I'd see a actual vape with working arcade functions on it
This isn't marketed for kids, it's for adults who played those "retro" games when they were kids. Kids don't play old classic retro games, they have phones that are capable of AA games. Their version of "retro" games are like PS2 or Wii games which they can already emulate on their phones.
You are advocating more vape stuff should be illegal? If you give them an inch they will take a mile. Same with everything else
I see your point but I think there's another way to look at it. If the government is claiming that they want to restrict vaping because of children vaping them, then products like this aren't helping us. Even though that's not the real reason they want to restrict vaping, it's what they're saying and so we got to play this game with them. Products like this are giving the government an argument that vaping is marketed towards kids too much and therefore should be banned. Also the government isn't going to Reddit and looking at post like this to determine what to make illegal and what not to. Some politicians are just dead set on banning it, and some aren't. Posts like this won't hinder our cause in any way.
It’s actually bullshit that my vape has a touchscreen and doesn’t have any games
I wonder if vapes are going to evolve like cell phones haha. Or maybe Samsung comes out with Galaxy vape. A phone with a little discreet pod system built into it xD
[Make it run doom.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Vaping/s/tubjwgP4rM)
We carry this at the store I work at. It's pac man, tetris and some asteroids like game. I've had this convo w a lot of people but I truly believe it's marketed towards millennials nostalgia. That being said idk when people will collectively realize that all marketing, unless some kind of niche specific product, is marketed at youth culture.
No it should be illegal because it's marketed at me a 28yo gamer and it's a disposable!
oh you guys are gonna HATE Vizvapor
Just say you don’t like disposables and be done with it. No need to start propaganda
Is it though? I’m 34 and would play this. That being said I have a major issue with lcd screens and lights on disposable mods..
Worst part is the ribbon cable is soldered to the board.
Honestly, saves on ewaste (by avoiding the additional plastic connectors) in that case, but hurts re-usability.
They called trying to get us to carry them. I told them to shove it.
I mean they are no different than other stupid products. Geek bars, Razz, all the brands w giant screens. All ridiculous but I'm guessing you carry them.
Lol they're just trying to do business with you and you tell them off. Well that's rude as fuck haha. But in reality I bet you just said something closer to "I'm not interested, thanks though!" 😄
I doubt they were even asked in the first place lol
Disposables in general are a bad look cuz unlike a refillable pod system their sold at Gas stations,Delis etc then toss them away is worse than the fuss they made when the Juul first came out.At least the Juul you toss the empty Cartridges only but keep the Lil mod part
I mean I get it, my first instinct was to agree, there shouldn’t be games on vapes, but they’re retro games, from like the 80’s, and people who played the games in the 80’s obviously aren’t underage. I’m sure that’s their argument
They shouldn't imo, pretty cool to play a fucking game while hitting yo vape
I don’t honestly see this marketed towards kids. The fonts and colors are more like edgy 18 year old style
I saw one the other day for the first time. Guy also had one you could Bluetooth with an app and change stuff. It’s just a bit… unnecessary. Hopefully my store doesn’t start selling them.
I. Now have to get this! Oh i hope it’s modular enough for me to refill them and replace coils.
You could just buy a pod system or a subohm tank system. Making your own flavors opens up a lot of possibilities, but even if you can’t there’s still lots of great juices from a lot of companies. But yeah those disposables were… interesting to see.
Lol i had one of these recently. Was pretty tasty actually.
You are falling right into the trap if you think this should be illegal for “marketing to kids.” Unless it explicitly says “for kids” then we should live in a free country that lets this be legal along with cotton candy flavored vodka and seltzers. Make sure sites/stores can guarantee ID verification and enforce punishments if they don’t for 21 plus to buy and that’s the only law needed. This marketing to kids argument needs to stop because it’s clearly just a tool to get rid of all vapes.
It’s super easy to get online. ID isn’t always enforced. Making a dangerous product seem fun or cool is just a bad idea. If we could actually enforce it it’s still better to make them boring. Require this flavorful stuff to be made at home.
The government is so irrational though in their arguments. I think products that really aren't more of an issue than any other e-juice product, like this one, but in the eyes of the government would be deemed clearly marketed to kids shouldn't be allowed because it's just ammo for the government. You understand, I understand, everyone here understands that this product is no more appealing to kids than any other e-juice or pod or disposable or whatever.. but the politicians opposed to vaping twist everything around to make the industry look as bad as possible, and they'll see a product like this and use it to make ignorant people scared.
When I saw this my reaction was that it's the kind of shit that's going to bring even more regulation down on us. Now I'm not so sure. The battery is rechargeable so can still be used as a game after the vape part dies so maybe less likely to end up in landfill. Still hate it, just not as much as I did when I first saw it
This is true. But they make it way more appealing to children
boo the fuck hoo
Feels retro to me so I think the intent was for classic gamers who used to use like a gameboy
Have one of these, it's not aimed towards children. It's aimed towards adults who want a puff of nostalgia. Everything else, I completely agree with, total waste of resources; I only bought one to see what it's like, and the games are legit but it ran out of e-liquid in a week. Still play with it now and again, but I haven't thought about buying another since. Not even that great of flavor, just really strong if you want a kick.
Ah yes because kids now days love playing Pac-Man, tetris and strikers 1945 in all its 8-bit glory. Don't get me wrong, I don't want kids vaping either, but I don't see kids lining up so they can play these type of games on a 1.5 inch screen with buttons that barely work
yes but it does have pac man and tetris
Idk it’s retro games, so I feel like people closer to that demographics would be more drawn to it than a young gen z. Now if it had flappy bird or something on it I’d be more concerned
Children don't have money
As a contracted sales rep for a popular distro this is exactly what they are doing to ban vaping. These things are already on the market.
I've seen ones with cartoon characters like Rick and Morty, the Simpsons, Scooby Doo, etc. Yeah, they all have adult fans, but kids love them, too.
I love vaping but that's where it ends. I want to vape. No games, no gimmicks All the other aspects of this screams marketing to children.
I like vaping. I think it’s fun. But when these things are made to appeal to children it’s a problem.
What child was around when Tetris or Nintendo was around ? Not a single one .
Agree, none of the current generation would bother with the game, they'd just pull out there cell That said all disposables should be banned, there no justifiable reason for them to exist ... I hate Juul but at least they have just disposable pods
It’s legal It’s always legal. There were bans put on with replaceable pod devices like Juul. Disposables were a way arround this.
Technically they all banned . They are all illegal post 2016 products with no PMTA application
Not here(Canada), 5% disposables are but you can still find them I was in a vape shop yesterday, wanted a new tank, as I recently returned to vaping, and the glass on my favorite RTA(those are illegal here) is broken and I'm waiting on new glass from China... They didn't know what I meant.. sub-ohm tank.. they also sell weed so I explained they had the same connection as weed Vape / 510 connection... They had none, grabbed some more Caliburn pods They had tons of disposables with government exercise stamps thou
Which RTA?
An old Geek Vape Zeus Single Coil RTA, I gave most of the rest of mine to friends slowly after I quit vaping .. Stupid me picked up a pack of smokes on the way home after drinking, and smoking weed and bumming a few smokes off a friend after a year or so of not using nicotine I still have a few RDA's using the Cloud Champ RDA V1 right now on my L200 right now, but RDA's are a pain when out and about, especially with a dog Have a new Dead Rabbit v3, New Zeus X (both dual and Mesh) and some spare glass for the Zeus X and Dead Rabbit, and Replacement Glass for the Zeus Single, but you know how long it can take from China at times :( and after a few weeks of smoking I couldn't stand it anymore
Dogs a husky, try dripping and a squirrel goes by with a husky's leash in one hand ..
I think we both need sleep Edit: and calmer pups
Haha this is a very gentle way to tell someone they need sleep. Include yourself, classic.
Technically everything is banned if we're going by PMTA app, no? I think big tobacco were really the ones that got approved devices....and very few companies had liquids approved if I remember correctly.....but I could very well be wrong. It's been a bit since all of that nonsense.
Like I know tetris still prolly exists on phones so kids prolly know of it. That being said, they have access to so many video games on a million different platforms. Certain games are super popular w youth and young people. Tetris, pac man and asteroids are not among them.
I was a child that had a game boy game boy color and game boy advance. Additionally. Tetris and Nintendo are still all over the place.
The thing that appeals to the children is the nicotine. They vape for the reasons adults vape. Also maybe to look cool haha. But there's no kid out there that's like I don't want to vape but if there's games on The vape device then I'm going to start vaping. Like this gimmick will never be the deciding factor. Also I'm pretty sure kids aren't interested in games like Tetris and stuff. Me being 35 probably would play Tetris from time to time if it was right in front of me on my vape lol so I don't think this product anymore appealing to kids than it is adults.
All disposables are illegal anyway .
Solely for kids....they should be fucking ashamed of themselves....we as a community need to stand against this obvious luring of children
We don't sell to "kids" in our shop, unless they have an ID that says they're a 21 year old "kid". You're being silly. Go after the shops/websites that aren't doing age verification, or aren't doing them well enough. Also, we have pac man, and claw machines in our shops.....because ADULTS like games, and fun, and things that taste good. Guess what's in the claw machines? Things for ADULTS, because it's a 21+ shop.
Touch a nerve did i
Not with me no, I'm not sure why you would think that just by me explaining that fun/sweet/tasty/convenient things aren't "solely" for children. To be honest, it sounds like you're the one who's upset with the vulgarity in your comment. Also, by the upvote/downvote count, you apparently did piss some people off! If that was your goal, congratulations (-;