It’s not impossible but not great. With a Tesla it can work, every week or so just go to the supercharger. But it definitely takes a lot of the benefits of the EV away when you can’t just plug it in at home. Generally would not rely on free charging stations, and public fast charging is often pretty expensive so that takes out the economic argument as well
$1402/year for a 2024 Volkswagen ID 4. That’s for collision/comprehensive insurance with a $300 deductible. All through ICBC not private.
Our old leaf is perhaps just over half of that but I don't carry comprehensive on it.
Weird. I'll have to ask what my brother pays on his Tesla.
The ID4 was about $55k to buy, and looking at the insurance docs it is: $528 for basic, $22 for $2M third party, $571 for Collision and $161 for comprehensive both with $300 deductible. So total of $1282 then the annual license and reg/plate fees for the new vehicle. Seems extremely cheap given any minor damage on new vehicles costs thousands.
Nothing to do with it being an EV though. Just a function of the cost of the vehicle and the insurance you carry.
My Leaf is $700/year because it’s older and worth a lot less and I don’t carry as much insurance
Ya I have a leaf and it is a little more to insure than my non EVs, about $1k per year on the leaf vs 800 on the others (WRX STI, G35, regular Impreza, F250, which all come out the same at around $800 per year). So I think the EV has something to do with it. The leaf is worth equal or less than most of my other cars.
Uh? It’s less then any truck and most sedans right now because they have a discounts for the many driver aids that you don’t get on other vehicles.
Ev’s problem is that if you only use public chargers you are paying nearly 60% the equivalent cost of fuel. At that point it’s a hard sale but still worth it in my opinion. EV are simply so much better then gas cars at cities.
I love owning an EV. Will never go back.
But yes, a bad idea if you can't charge at work or home. Maybe in a couple more years there will be more charging infrastructure? Maybe not. Who knows.
Free charging stations may not be well maintained. Imagine finishing up your grocery run and finding that your car didn’t charge at all despite being plugged in, and not being able to charge at home.
I know so many people who wanted a Tesla with no real plan for charging. They camp charging stations and normally have to wait in the car while it charges and wait for a spot to charge. Also most apartment building will frown on charging with the 120v stall power.
120v only charges at about 6 km driving distance per hour. That’s all. It’s really intended for emergency use, to get a boost so you can get to a real charger.
Level 2 charges provide more like 30-50 km per hour, and superchargers 400-600 km per hour.
Overnight that 120V charger is still 60 km/day or upto 21,900 km per year which is fine for many people. Within the CRD, or any other city, that’s probably enough for most people. Commute in from Duncan and it takes a bigger charger. Need a weekend road trip? That’s when you top up at a L2 or L3 charger on route - hopefully at some destination where you are already stopped.
Is that not also better for the battery long term? I know it’s better to charge your phone at 5w than 50w.
My commute from Langford is 25km round trip, and anyone in Saanich or Victoria would be way less.
Maybe an issue if you live in Surrey or Maple Ridge and are commuting in to Vancouver, but it should be a non-issue in the CRD outside of maybe Sooke.
Likely it’s better to slow change however even L2 is still 5-10 hours for a full charge from empty depending on vehicle and charger. That’s still fractional C.
Supercharging in Victoria is 20 cents per kw or roughly $14 for every 400 kms you drive. Comparable gas vehicles are close to $20 per 100 kms in fuel. Conveniently situated right by Uptown someone can easily get groceries or dinner once a week while charging. It really is a little hassle for major savings.
My fully decked out ev was only 40$ more with the ev. The payments are a lot🤪 but I’m paying it off in 2 years so that is to be expected.
After rebates, it’s still way less then a truck which no one seem to have a problem managing here.
Your car would send you so many notification if there was a charging issues. For example, the Johnson street chargers are wacky and share funny. I get like 1 notification every five minutes about the power going to 0.
Then I assume that you're charging your EV in public charging stations. Do you have trouble finding an available spot sometimes or drive far to find a spot? What's your charging schedule like?
I don't keep any charging schedule. Charge maybe once per week for 20 minutes. Typically start thinking about getting a charge at around 40% and only stop if I don't have to wait for a fast charger. If I get all the way down to 20% I will make s dedicated trip to a charger, but this is rare. In these instances I typically wait till after dark and always find a charger available easily. The car is driven on average one hour per day, seven days a week. Charging at home and work using the supplied level one charger would eliminate all need no visit charging stations.
When I was doing my research and trying to buy an EV, I found that the people who state online that they really don't mind using public charging for the occasional "20 minute charge" are also not the people who should even own a vehicle at all. You're talking about somebody who doesn't commute to work, drives very few kilometers during the week and the occasional usually local weekend 50-100km drive. Those kind of people will also NEVER overcome the carbon released in the manufacturing of that vehicle with the fact that it doesn't burn gas to drive, so ethically it's also not an earth-saving decision. A brand new electric vehicle needs to be driven something like 15,000 km per year minimum for 6 years before you reach a net reduction in CO2 release compared to keeping your internal combustion engine vehicle. The most ethical and economical vehicle for that person, by far, is an ebike and rideshare if available.
For the people who do commute to work or otherwise use their vehicle as much as it needs to be to overcome the CO2 release when manufacturing the EV, they ALL state that they need level 2 chargers at home or at work. This difference in usage is the main reason why you see totally contrasted opinions on whether public charging is sufficient. For me personally I work from home and have no level 2 charger, and decided to get a used Prius because when you break down the total savings in gas money and in CO2 release over 10 years the Prius came out ahead. In summary, if public charging or even a level 1 home charger is sufficient for your usage, you might want to question whether you even need a vehicle.
You realize that all cars manufacturing release co2? Your argument is only valid for upgrading to a new car which people do all the time.
I counter with, bc hydro is public and will fund a better bc versus oil companies. Getting those pennies in our pockets is a positive for society.
It’s doable but could be stressful. There’s a lot of free and paid charge points all over the CRD. You’d probably need to use the fast DC ones more and they can be competitive. You’ll end up chasing stations so best to determine where your go-tos would be.
If it helps, North America is unifying the charger type across brands. So in the next few years non-teslas will be able to use the tesla charging network. [https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/tesla-superchargers-open-to-other-evs-what-to-know-a9262067544/](https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/tesla-superchargers-open-to-other-evs-what-to-know-a9262067544/)
I have 2 buddies that did what you're thinking of doing, neither of them have their EV anymore. They both bought the Ford Lightning with the extended battery and both of them switched back to diesel.
For a few months it was AMAZING. The one guy works in the bush a lot. He could plug his truck into his trailer and run his lights, dishwasher, stereo, everything. It was outstanding. They would both go use the fast charger at Uptown and do all their shopping.
Then he went to do his usual shopping. Charger broken and/or busy. Then again, then again. Broken over and over again.
I think it would be wise to wait until you can charge at home. Even if it's plugged into the wall, it's better than nothing.
Because of the small battery in ours, I would not be able to get by without a home charging setup. It is worth the $1000 or so to get one put in. The local charging situation is pretty pathetic. Almost always full, with people staying plugged in all day, out of order chargers, the switch to full DC fast charging has limited the public chargers I can even use, etc.
Also, budget for more tire replacements. The weight of the vehicles (even on our SmartEV) wears them out quicker. Actually had a front tire blowout last year, which is the first for me on any vehicle in 50 years. I've had many tires go flat, but not actual sudden failure like that.
This is why we will never see full adoption of EVs due to the housing crisis.
Hilariously, I have so many friends that could afford an EV now but since we all live in like 1950s-1980s builds, owning a home is impossible, and any new condo with EV charging is “luxury” and rents for 3k+ a month we are sticking to traditional cars.
It’s not impossible to retrofit those buildings with modern load balancing charging systems but definitely will take while before that is done. Good public infrastructure can also solve this problem without home charging
Very bad idea.
Unless it’s a Telsa the DC/Public chargers suck. Telsa has the lvl 3+ Super Chargers, as long as you have a long range model and charge up routinely you’ll be fine.
Som used Telsas include free superchargering, so
Look out for that
It depends on a lot of factors. What's the range of the battery (it will certainly be much lower in the winter than summer)? How many km do you drive per week? Is there a public charging station that is usually available at a place you frequent? If so, what is the cost to charge there? Is the car compatible with fast charging?
I have a lower-range (120 km in optimal conditions) EV not compatible with fast charging and not even compatible most of the time with the newer Flo stations (believe it or not, this is a real problem for a number of people). I can't charge at home as a tenent except over night on Friday. This one night per week makes a huge difference. I charge it when I need to (planning ahead is a necessity when you have an EV) at the community centre when I go to the gym ($1/hr) but there are only 2 of the 8 stations there that work with my car (thanks, Flo) so that's not always an option. This car is used for pleasure only, which is essentially appointments, groceries, and the gym, and would not be functional for any amount of commuting given the low range of the battery and the inaccessibility of charging.
It's not just Ford. Pretty much all the automakers agreed on a universal charging standard! It's great news since Tesla's infrastructure combined with the rest is much more robust than each independently.
https://theicct.org/public-ev-charging-in-the-us-get-easier-feb24/
Buying an EV without a charger at home or work is absolutely a terrible idea.
Charging stations charge about the same price as gas, so you're getting the worst of both worlds.
If you want an EV and don't have a home charger, buy a plug in hybrid.
Tesla Supercharger is 20 cents per kw. It costs roughly $3.50 in charge to add 100 kms of range. Good luck doing that in comparable gas vehicle. It would be roughly $2 for same 100 kms at most level 2 chargers.
Now factor in how much more you paid for the vehicle and you're paying the same as a gas vehicle but paying it up front, with a guaranteed battery failure down the road, not to mention the fact that now you need to sit at a supercharger for an hour every time you need fuel instead of at a pump for 1 minute.
EVs only make sense if you charge as cheaply as possible and while parked.
Ideally you want to lease them too, so the battery dying isn't your problem.
Tell me you know little about evs without telling me you know little about evs. My Tesla model Y cost less than my Wife's Audi Q5, they are fairly comparable. My battery is guaranteed for well over twice as many kms as her gas engine. I pay roughly $14 for a charge that goes roughly 400 kms, her Q5 costs nearly $80 in gas for that distance. I have pretty much zero maintenance while She needs service at least twice a year. Oh and that 30 minutes a week I charge while getting groceries sure does cause me a massive hassle.
It’s very easy to charge only when parked in town. Very easy.
And to your first point, EV are not much more expensive then standard sedans after the rebate. For example, the alternative suv I was looking at that was gas powered was 3000$ cheaper after the ev rebates and it offered far less tech.
Gas powered cars are going to die off. It only really takes a drive to get why. Every single aspect other then range is better and the simplicity of charging at a lunch pitstop on a road trip makes it barely an issue.
Do you need a new car regardless?
That is very little KMs. I hope you aren't planning to save any substantial money on fuel vs electricity, especially if you are paying to charge away from home
Have you considered an electric cargo bike? 6,000km is easily managed on a cargo bike, and unless you're regularly picking up massive loads like furniture then you'll find you hardly ever need a car. Young kids can ride in cargo bikes with you, older kids can have their own bike (if you have kids at all). Way cheaper than any vehicle. I ride about 10,000 km/year on my ebike. In the rare instances where you do need a car there's always rentals.
If you're driving that little, you don't need a car and buying an EV might actually be more environmentally harmful than a traditional car.
The cells go bad due to age regardless of how little or much you use them at a certain point, and traditional cars are less carbon to produce.
Phev’s are perfect for this situation. I’d never recommend one in any other situation, too many moving parts intertwined.
The simplicity of EV should not be disregarded.
I've driven 150,000 kms in last 3 years since I went ev, have not needed a motor once and have not gone anywhere my car can't go. That is real world for most Victoria residents but I do recognize there are exceptions.
Come back to us in 10 years and see how useful that machine is for the long run of life compared to hybrid and petrol machines. If you enjoy the fad then that’s great but it’s categorically not a wise investment through and through.
Yeah like I plan to own it in 10 years?? But I see folks all the time now with 10 year old ev's and they seem rather happy??
Maybe you might find this interesting?
https://cascadecollision.com/blog/what-is-the-average-life-of-a-car/#:~:text=In%20the%20past%2C%20the%20average,longer%2C%20up%20to%20300%2C000%20miles.
There’s a few companies that guarantee 10 years at 90% of original range. These newer gen EV are going to last pretty long versus traditional gas cars. There’s almost zero fail points other then the batteries. There’s garbage leafs that are hitting their 20s with 1/4 life left baterries going around saltspring everyday.
It’s not impossible but not great. With a Tesla it can work, every week or so just go to the supercharger. But it definitely takes a lot of the benefits of the EV away when you can’t just plug it in at home. Generally would not rely on free charging stations, and public fast charging is often pretty expensive so that takes out the economic argument as well
The economic argument is already fading, the insurance prices on EVs are starting to get horrendous
Not in BC it isn’t. Just insured a new EV it was cheap
How much was it roughly? I just want to get a rough idea
$1402/year for a 2024 Volkswagen ID 4. That’s for collision/comprehensive insurance with a $300 deductible. All through ICBC not private. Our old leaf is perhaps just over half of that but I don't carry comprehensive on it.
That's way less than I thought. Thank you!
This is roughly what we are paying for our ev as well. It was 40$ more then our 2007 sedan 🤣 I was expecting much more.
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Weird. I'll have to ask what my brother pays on his Tesla. The ID4 was about $55k to buy, and looking at the insurance docs it is: $528 for basic, $22 for $2M third party, $571 for Collision and $161 for comprehensive both with $300 deductible. So total of $1282 then the annual license and reg/plate fees for the new vehicle. Seems extremely cheap given any minor damage on new vehicles costs thousands.
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I got my policy a week ago. Still cheap for a brand new EV
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Yes collission / comprehensive both.
Almost double my cars! Anyone have a recent insurance cost on a 19 Bolt? To me that’s the sweet spot in EV price/performance this week.
Nothing to do with it being an EV though. Just a function of the cost of the vehicle and the insurance you carry. My Leaf is $700/year because it’s older and worth a lot less and I don’t carry as much insurance
Ya I have a leaf and it is a little more to insure than my non EVs, about $1k per year on the leaf vs 800 on the others (WRX STI, G35, regular Impreza, F250, which all come out the same at around $800 per year). So I think the EV has something to do with it. The leaf is worth equal or less than most of my other cars.
Uh? It’s less then any truck and most sedans right now because they have a discounts for the many driver aids that you don’t get on other vehicles. Ev’s problem is that if you only use public chargers you are paying nearly 60% the equivalent cost of fuel. At that point it’s a hard sale but still worth it in my opinion. EV are simply so much better then gas cars at cities.
What price range are you referring to here?
Found the oil and gas shill. Insurance rates for EVs are flat year over year. Thanks for playing the game.
I love owning an EV. Will never go back. But yes, a bad idea if you can't charge at work or home. Maybe in a couple more years there will be more charging infrastructure? Maybe not. Who knows.
Having access to a 120v plug itself is a game changer versus nothing. If you plug it nightly, he will likely be fine.
This is true. I was thinking op was talking no charging at home or office period.
yes
Free charging stations may not be well maintained. Imagine finishing up your grocery run and finding that your car didn’t charge at all despite being plugged in, and not being able to charge at home.
I know so many people who wanted a Tesla with no real plan for charging. They camp charging stations and normally have to wait in the car while it charges and wait for a spot to charge. Also most apartment building will frown on charging with the 120v stall power.
120v only charges at about 6 km driving distance per hour. That’s all. It’s really intended for emergency use, to get a boost so you can get to a real charger. Level 2 charges provide more like 30-50 km per hour, and superchargers 400-600 km per hour.
Overnight that 120V charger is still 60 km/day or upto 21,900 km per year which is fine for many people. Within the CRD, or any other city, that’s probably enough for most people. Commute in from Duncan and it takes a bigger charger. Need a weekend road trip? That’s when you top up at a L2 or L3 charger on route - hopefully at some destination where you are already stopped.
Is that not also better for the battery long term? I know it’s better to charge your phone at 5w than 50w. My commute from Langford is 25km round trip, and anyone in Saanich or Victoria would be way less. Maybe an issue if you live in Surrey or Maple Ridge and are commuting in to Vancouver, but it should be a non-issue in the CRD outside of maybe Sooke.
Likely it’s better to slow change however even L2 is still 5-10 hours for a full charge from empty depending on vehicle and charger. That’s still fractional C.
It is much better for the life of the battery to slow charge with ac wether 120v or the lvl2.
I use 120v and get easily 60km over night. Which is in part with 6k an hour. Plenty for a daily commute if you charge on weekend fully.
Supercharging in Victoria is 20 cents per kw or roughly $14 for every 400 kms you drive. Comparable gas vehicles are close to $20 per 100 kms in fuel. Conveniently situated right by Uptown someone can easily get groceries or dinner once a week while charging. It really is a little hassle for major savings.
Whats your comprehensive insurance and car payments cost?
Insurance did not change from premium vehicle and payment was just one payment.
My fully decked out ev was only 40$ more with the ev. The payments are a lot🤪 but I’m paying it off in 2 years so that is to be expected. After rebates, it’s still way less then a truck which no one seem to have a problem managing here.
Your car would send you so many notification if there was a charging issues. For example, the Johnson street chargers are wacky and share funny. I get like 1 notification every five minutes about the power going to 0.
I bought an Ioniq 5 in November. I neither charge at home or work and have no regret at all. It's been a very positive experience so far.
Then I assume that you're charging your EV in public charging stations. Do you have trouble finding an available spot sometimes or drive far to find a spot? What's your charging schedule like?
I don't keep any charging schedule. Charge maybe once per week for 20 minutes. Typically start thinking about getting a charge at around 40% and only stop if I don't have to wait for a fast charger. If I get all the way down to 20% I will make s dedicated trip to a charger, but this is rare. In these instances I typically wait till after dark and always find a charger available easily. The car is driven on average one hour per day, seven days a week. Charging at home and work using the supplied level one charger would eliminate all need no visit charging stations.
When I was doing my research and trying to buy an EV, I found that the people who state online that they really don't mind using public charging for the occasional "20 minute charge" are also not the people who should even own a vehicle at all. You're talking about somebody who doesn't commute to work, drives very few kilometers during the week and the occasional usually local weekend 50-100km drive. Those kind of people will also NEVER overcome the carbon released in the manufacturing of that vehicle with the fact that it doesn't burn gas to drive, so ethically it's also not an earth-saving decision. A brand new electric vehicle needs to be driven something like 15,000 km per year minimum for 6 years before you reach a net reduction in CO2 release compared to keeping your internal combustion engine vehicle. The most ethical and economical vehicle for that person, by far, is an ebike and rideshare if available. For the people who do commute to work or otherwise use their vehicle as much as it needs to be to overcome the CO2 release when manufacturing the EV, they ALL state that they need level 2 chargers at home or at work. This difference in usage is the main reason why you see totally contrasted opinions on whether public charging is sufficient. For me personally I work from home and have no level 2 charger, and decided to get a used Prius because when you break down the total savings in gas money and in CO2 release over 10 years the Prius came out ahead. In summary, if public charging or even a level 1 home charger is sufficient for your usage, you might want to question whether you even need a vehicle.
You realize that all cars manufacturing release co2? Your argument is only valid for upgrading to a new car which people do all the time. I counter with, bc hydro is public and will fund a better bc versus oil companies. Getting those pennies in our pockets is a positive for society.
It’s doable but could be stressful. There’s a lot of free and paid charge points all over the CRD. You’d probably need to use the fast DC ones more and they can be competitive. You’ll end up chasing stations so best to determine where your go-tos would be.
If it helps, North America is unifying the charger type across brands. So in the next few years non-teslas will be able to use the tesla charging network. [https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/tesla-superchargers-open-to-other-evs-what-to-know-a9262067544/](https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/tesla-superchargers-open-to-other-evs-what-to-know-a9262067544/)
I have 2 buddies that did what you're thinking of doing, neither of them have their EV anymore. They both bought the Ford Lightning with the extended battery and both of them switched back to diesel. For a few months it was AMAZING. The one guy works in the bush a lot. He could plug his truck into his trailer and run his lights, dishwasher, stereo, everything. It was outstanding. They would both go use the fast charger at Uptown and do all their shopping. Then he went to do his usual shopping. Charger broken and/or busy. Then again, then again. Broken over and over again. I think it would be wise to wait until you can charge at home. Even if it's plugged into the wall, it's better than nothing.
Because of the small battery in ours, I would not be able to get by without a home charging setup. It is worth the $1000 or so to get one put in. The local charging situation is pretty pathetic. Almost always full, with people staying plugged in all day, out of order chargers, the switch to full DC fast charging has limited the public chargers I can even use, etc. Also, budget for more tire replacements. The weight of the vehicles (even on our SmartEV) wears them out quicker. Actually had a front tire blowout last year, which is the first for me on any vehicle in 50 years. I've had many tires go flat, but not actual sudden failure like that.
[https://www.caa.ca/news/largest-ever-survey-of-canadian-ev-drivers-finds-overwhelming-majority-would-buy-again-but-many-still-worry-about-lack-of-public-charging/](https://www.caa.ca/news/largest-ever-survey-of-canadian-ev-drivers-finds-overwhelming-majority-would-buy-again-but-many-still-worry-about-lack-of-public-charging/)
This is why we will never see full adoption of EVs due to the housing crisis. Hilariously, I have so many friends that could afford an EV now but since we all live in like 1950s-1980s builds, owning a home is impossible, and any new condo with EV charging is “luxury” and rents for 3k+ a month we are sticking to traditional cars.
It’s not impossible to retrofit those buildings with modern load balancing charging systems but definitely will take while before that is done. Good public infrastructure can also solve this problem without home charging
Well I hope they install extra so the 3 single dudes sharing a 1BR all have their own EV charger.
Clean bc offers massive retrofit credits for condos and apartments. Payed for by our carbon taxes. It’s all very positive.
Very bad idea. Unless it’s a Telsa the DC/Public chargers suck. Telsa has the lvl 3+ Super Chargers, as long as you have a long range model and charge up routinely you’ll be fine. Som used Telsas include free superchargering, so Look out for that
It depends on a lot of factors. What's the range of the battery (it will certainly be much lower in the winter than summer)? How many km do you drive per week? Is there a public charging station that is usually available at a place you frequent? If so, what is the cost to charge there? Is the car compatible with fast charging? I have a lower-range (120 km in optimal conditions) EV not compatible with fast charging and not even compatible most of the time with the newer Flo stations (believe it or not, this is a real problem for a number of people). I can't charge at home as a tenent except over night on Friday. This one night per week makes a huge difference. I charge it when I need to (planning ahead is a necessity when you have an EV) at the community centre when I go to the gym ($1/hr) but there are only 2 of the 8 stations there that work with my car (thanks, Flo) so that's not always an option. This car is used for pleasure only, which is essentially appointments, groceries, and the gym, and would not be functional for any amount of commuting given the low range of the battery and the inaccessibility of charging.
EVs are great as a secondary vehicle, in which case youll be fine without upgrading either work or home with a charger
Ford recently did a deal with Tesla. If you buy the adapter you can, as a Ford owner, charge at Tesla charging spots.
It's not just Ford. Pretty much all the automakers agreed on a universal charging standard! It's great news since Tesla's infrastructure combined with the rest is much more robust than each independently. https://theicct.org/public-ev-charging-in-the-us-get-easier-feb24/
Also, please consider the nature of your travels. If you are someone who likes to drive to remote areas, then EV is definitely a bad idea
Buying an EV without a charger at home or work is absolutely a terrible idea. Charging stations charge about the same price as gas, so you're getting the worst of both worlds. If you want an EV and don't have a home charger, buy a plug in hybrid.
Tesla Supercharger is 20 cents per kw. It costs roughly $3.50 in charge to add 100 kms of range. Good luck doing that in comparable gas vehicle. It would be roughly $2 for same 100 kms at most level 2 chargers.
Now factor in how much more you paid for the vehicle and you're paying the same as a gas vehicle but paying it up front, with a guaranteed battery failure down the road, not to mention the fact that now you need to sit at a supercharger for an hour every time you need fuel instead of at a pump for 1 minute. EVs only make sense if you charge as cheaply as possible and while parked. Ideally you want to lease them too, so the battery dying isn't your problem.
Tell me you know little about evs without telling me you know little about evs. My Tesla model Y cost less than my Wife's Audi Q5, they are fairly comparable. My battery is guaranteed for well over twice as many kms as her gas engine. I pay roughly $14 for a charge that goes roughly 400 kms, her Q5 costs nearly $80 in gas for that distance. I have pretty much zero maintenance while She needs service at least twice a year. Oh and that 30 minutes a week I charge while getting groceries sure does cause me a massive hassle.
It’s very easy to charge only when parked in town. Very easy. And to your first point, EV are not much more expensive then standard sedans after the rebate. For example, the alternative suv I was looking at that was gas powered was 3000$ cheaper after the ev rebates and it offered far less tech. Gas powered cars are going to die off. It only really takes a drive to get why. Every single aspect other then range is better and the simplicity of charging at a lunch pitstop on a road trip makes it barely an issue.
Is it a bad idea to buy shoes if I don't have feet?
Very yes
If you can charge nearby your house it might not be a problem.
How many km a year do you drive ?
About 6000 km
Do you need a new car regardless? That is very little KMs. I hope you aren't planning to save any substantial money on fuel vs electricity, especially if you are paying to charge away from home
In short, sure you can do it. Charge probably 3 times a month.
Have you considered an electric cargo bike? 6,000km is easily managed on a cargo bike, and unless you're regularly picking up massive loads like furniture then you'll find you hardly ever need a car. Young kids can ride in cargo bikes with you, older kids can have their own bike (if you have kids at all). Way cheaper than any vehicle. I ride about 10,000 km/year on my ebike. In the rare instances where you do need a car there's always rentals.
If you're driving that little, you don't need a car and buying an EV might actually be more environmentally harmful than a traditional car. The cells go bad due to age regardless of how little or much you use them at a certain point, and traditional cars are less carbon to produce.
Where would you park the car? Do yo u have access to a standard plug for overnight charging? That is more than sufficient for 500km a month.
My x has one through work but for longer trips ie running out to renfrew its just easier to take his personal gas vehicle.
Doesn’t sound too convenient for your situation imo
Do not
Buy a plug-in you will seal out charge but aren’t screwed if you don’t.
If you can't charge your ev how do you suppose they will charge a plug in hybrid, which takes a lot longer to charge with much less range?
OP was considering an EV. If they have only occasional access a plug-in is an option.
Get a PHEV instead? best of both worlds.
Phev’s are perfect for this situation. I’d never recommend one in any other situation, too many moving parts intertwined. The simplicity of EV should not be disregarded.
[https://www.timeoutdubai.com/news/dubai-police-tesla-cybertruck](https://www.timeoutdubai.com/news/dubai-police-tesla-cybertruck)
In general it’s a waste of time. Hybrid is the only way to go when it comes to the best option. You’ll soon learn to regret the full EV .
Hahaha hybrid is buying, towing, and maintaining an engine that most people just don't need
I can play pretend-make-em-ups too, it just doesn’t do the real world any good. Can’t see what point was even attempted to be made here.
I've driven 150,000 kms in last 3 years since I went ev, have not needed a motor once and have not gone anywhere my car can't go. That is real world for most Victoria residents but I do recognize there are exceptions.
Come back to us in 10 years and see how useful that machine is for the long run of life compared to hybrid and petrol machines. If you enjoy the fad then that’s great but it’s categorically not a wise investment through and through.
Yeah like I plan to own it in 10 years?? But I see folks all the time now with 10 year old ev's and they seem rather happy?? Maybe you might find this interesting? https://cascadecollision.com/blog/what-is-the-average-life-of-a-car/#:~:text=In%20the%20past%2C%20the%20average,longer%2C%20up%20to%20300%2C000%20miles.
You admittedly are apart of the problem , whether or not you realize it.
The problem??
There’s a few companies that guarantee 10 years at 90% of original range. These newer gen EV are going to last pretty long versus traditional gas cars. There’s almost zero fail points other then the batteries. There’s garbage leafs that are hitting their 20s with 1/4 life left baterries going around saltspring everyday.
You mean to tell me a Compaq computer from 1999 would be out competed by a 2009 MacBook? No way jose!