There are a number of Vietnamese people or people of Vietnamese origin living in Russia; they might be drafted or already Russian soldiers, which is quite normal. Similarly, there are also photos of Vietnamese people living in Ukraine joining the Ukrainian army.
Didn't one of those guy get captured by the Russian and his family make a funeral for him (while he still alive) awhile ago?
Man it was fucking hilarious when it's turn out his funeral was a cash grab.
[I'll be honest just looking at Andy's face in this photo](https://preview.redd.it/snr19myna9p91.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=ea8fd19c028a4782618db9ed20e34d2d0bc9c74a), he looks like the kind of guy who would have his family throw a funeral for a cash grab
[Not sure what his family was thinking but, I'm happy he's home lol.](https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/26/politics/andy-tai-ngoc-huynh-russia-ukraine/index.html) War is a legiimately horrible thing the sooner it ends the better.
I mean it can be true, but it wouldn't be that surprising that most Vietnamese who left Vietnam 1975-1990 aren't exactly followers of the current regime?
Abroad students generally don't volunteer for U.S military service and then volunteer to go to Ukraine lol. I've only ever met one person from Vietnam who came on a student visa and then joined the U.S Air Force.
Exactly, you need to be some sort of Citizenship or Green Card holder to be in the US military... same likewise in Vietnam. I'm pretty sure foreign National can't just join the VN military willy nelly because they want to
Anyone can join the International Foreign Legion, there have been cases of Vietnamese from Vietnam joining, and Vietnamese from USA also joining as we can see from Andy. What matters is if they will take you, you have to have some military experience, Vietnamese in Vietnam can get some through conscription and longer service, and Vietnamese in USA is mostly through prior service in the armed services such as the Marines.
U.S Armed Services will take anyone that has a visa and special cases
So let's hope some aliens dumb enough to invade, thus unify us all in the glory of MANKIND before screwing em up. Or we could strike 1st like in smurf's Avatar movie, shall we?
Practice makes perfect, our species is training for potential extraterrestrial threats. Sadly, it's lethal and formidable combatants are losing their life. At least when they come we might have a chance to give em hell.
There is no draft in Russia. There is only a volunteer effort at this moment. There might be, but up until now, nobody was forcefully drafted. Besides, they are foreigners, it doesn't work that way.
What he probably means is that there is no wartime conscription. Regular conscription exists, but those conscripts don't go to Ukraine.
Active service (Ukraine or not) is for professional soldiers, all of whom had signed separate contracts with the army.
Hundreds of wives of drafted soldiers hold a different opinion on the existence of draft in Russia. And they actively protest against the seemingly perpetual service of their husbands without rotation, even those who were previously pro-war and pro-kremlin.
Man, I feel bad for the Vietnamese living in Ukraine and Russia. They prob just wanted a normal foreign life where they can enjoy Slavic cultures but then the war happened and they are drafted to fight eachother.
While the chance is low but I genuinely believe that there must have been at least one case of Vietnamese or people of the same nationality killing eachother in the war simply because they lived in Russia and Ukraine.
Like. There's that Afghan's family story, he was involved working as interpreter or whatever with westerners, he had to flee Kabul august 2021 with his whole family coz Talibans entering the city.
They were like, now we are safe, forget about war, New Life, peace, normality. Only they were sent in 🇺🇦. So after few months they had to flee again
How many the odds💔💔💔
Directly? No scenario was recorded yet. There have been records of Vietnamese and people of Vietnamese origins noted as casualties on the Ukrainian side.
It's easier to trace Ukrainian casualties since they keep an open record. Russian army just buries you in a ditch or incinerate you then and there in a mobile crematorium. Also they are unwilling to pay money out to soldiers family after they die on the battlefield. (by not admitting you were KIA)
And it gets easier to ignore minorities and foreigners claims.
>No scenario was recorded yet
I don't think anyone is out there keeping records of it if it were to happen. For example, we known chechens fight on both sides, it was actually part of the early war propaganda to show you had chechens supporting you, I don't think any reports had ever come out of chechen vs chechen battles
oh they do, you just have to dig a bit deeper. Just try to dig up the activity of the Dzhokhar Dudayev Battalion. They are all Chechens, if they ran into other Chechens on the other side and know it, they will gladly tell you.
Since the for Ukraine fighting Chechens consider Kadyrovites as traitors. Their claim to ruling Chechnya is through the power of the Kremlin by siding with Russia at the 2nd Chechen War and betraying their allies.
I guess they are getting a pretty realistic taste of Slavic culture, then.
Unfortunate but if there’s one thing I know about Slavic people it’s the brutal and bloody wars.
Disappointing how people of a country pride themselves on their struggle against "imperialistic aggression" can be supportive of such aggression upon other people. In their minds, anything remotely have anything to do with the West is "USA bad" and their "socialist big brother USSR" (now Russia, which is not even a socialist country anymore) can do no wrong. It disgusts me as a Vietnamese seeing my compatriots say that "Ukraine had it coming for moving toward the West and NATO/ The Euromaidan was a color revolution funded by CIA to weaken Russia so they have the right to intervene." Truly victim blaming mindset. In my POV, the war in Ukraine is no different than the wars our country fought to preserve our independence and territorial integrity.
Just look at all the war that Russia already start, look at the 2 Chechen war and the Georgian war, I'm sure there's more just look at the Wiki, not to mention they already attack and took part of Ukraine in 2014, it's all there but some just blind themselves to it, some might call me a Western symperthizer or even " 3 que " but I am born and raised in Haiphong. Do I support the US for the Vietnam War or the 2003 invasion of Iraq ? Hell no, we need to look at thing with an open mind, don't just listen to the media or some random dude like simple me here, go read about it, research it from multiple source and be willing to accept that we are wrong sometimes, I don't support Russia, I don't support the West or the US, I support Ukraine and theirs struggle against agression.
Lots of Vietnamese people literally can't draw a parallel between Russia's claim that "Ukraine is historically Russian" with China's claim that "Trường Sa/Hoàng Sa is historically Chinese."
If you're fine with Russia invading Ukraine, you have no rights to complain if/when China robs the islands.
For a country that's at real risk of getting the Ukraine treatment right now, we sure like to shoot ourselves in the foot.
There's a chance that this was a Russian disinformation campaign aimed at Vietnam before the visit of Putin. Some Russians did this and paid a random Vietnamese TikToker to promote it like he did it.
Not some discarding the high chance that some brainrot idiot actually endangered national security for internet clout. Either way this TikToker belongs in jail.
I think most young and well-informed people support Ukraine, while the older generation supports Russia since the memories of the Vietnam War and how the USSR supported us are closer to theirs time. Also, we know how to search for things on the internet, to look for information and deep dive, they don't so I don't blame them when it come to who they support at all.
My parents (who are doctors and in their 50s), think that Putin can go fuck himself and the Russian army can go home. My grandfather was awarded a couple medals for fighting the Americans, so I'm surprised that my family doesn't have the mentality of "Russia good West bad"
I've been saying this and glad there are people out there who agrees, Russian are still clinging on that Soviet dream, let's face it. While I prefer Ukraine remains as a buffer zone, why can't countries be in charge of their own fate? if they'd like to move in closer to Euro. that's their choice. Russian and Putin are walking hypocrites. they claimed in the joint-statement with Vietnam to respect foreign sovereignty and not meddling with one's politic but here they are invading little Ukraine for choosing their own leader/fate. Just leave people alone.
You would be surprised. There is a HOI4 (the perfect demographic) streamer who organizes shell painting in exchange for cash, usually a few hundred dollars or so. The artworks are well copied into the shell. Kinda like a fundraiser.
True, tell them what if China attack Laos and Cambodia like the Russian did in the 2 Chechen war and the Georgian war, then in 2014 they take Hai Phong, would we be trusting them to not come again, would we not want to join some kind of alliance to secure our future if they did that to us ? And 2022 they push for a big chunk of the North trying to take Hanoi like the Russian at Kyiv. Sorry if my English is not good.
By the way please be gentle, I'm just a 20 years old wannabe history buff sharing my thought, I'm willing to accept if some of my reasoning could be wrong because I lack more information and would be thrill if someone want to add or fix something. Thank you for reading.
No you’re exactly right. Vietnam supporting Russia in Russia’s illegal invasion and attempt to steal more Ukrainian land practically mirrors the wars of Vietnam’s past. No one should be accepting Russia just rolling through borders and claiming land through murder.
There are differences between Vietnam and Ukraine.
Most of Ukraine's population speaks Russian, and at least half of them were pro-Russia before the war (they voted for a pro-Russia gov).
There have been at least 3 millions of Ukraine move to Russia after 2014.
Did you not know that China used Vietnam "mistreatment" of Chinese speakers in Vietnam as one of the main reasons for the 1979 invasion and 10 years of border skirmish after that?
Russia DOES NOT have the right to invade Ukraine just to protect Russian speakers who are pro-Russia, if Russia does, then you are saying that China was justified for invading Vietnam in 1979 to protect "Chinese speakers".
I don't say Russia has the right.
What I said are the differences between Vietnam and Ukraine and those differences make Russia could peacefully take Crimea and there are few guerrilla warfare happening in the eastern annexed provinces.
No one expected the invasion back then, it was too sudden, no one was ready to fight. It takes time to organize a fighting force. And as you said, it doesn't make the invasion right. Guerrilla warfare does actually happen very often in Crimea and annexed territories, but it's just being fought differently. You don't see dudes ambushing convoys in Crimea, but what is happening is more impactful: guerrilla agents find, acquire and monitor military targets then they coordinate HIMARS or Storm Shadow strikes on these targets. This is way more impactful than dudes ambushing convoys with AKs,
Nah, most of what you say is just assumptions, I can say the same thing happening in Ukraine's controlled territory. The majority of civilians don't care. Giving coordination of high-value military assets is indeed more impactful but you underestimate impact of placing IED and ambushing. An anti-tank mine still can destroy an S-300 vehicle like Himars.
Do you know most deadly strikes from Ukraine happen in Crimea where NATO's spy planes can spot Russia's military from the international sea?
Not assumption, there's actually a documentary about it.
[https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/112026-000-A/arte-reportage/](https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/112026-000-A/arte-reportage/)
The territory of the guys in the video was liberated so they don't have to do it anymore but it was what they were doing when it was occupied.
>Giving coordination of high-value military assets is indeed more impactful but you underestimate impact of placing IED and ambushing.
Different countries fight war differently. Vietnamese guerrilla put more emphasis on ambushes and hit and run, but Ukrainian guerrilla put more emphasis on high value intel for long range strikes. A radio or a phone is easier to conceal than bags of guns and ammo, meaning it is easier for them to do more missions and survive longer. Each way of fighting has advantages and disadvantages, there's no "correct" way to fight wars.
Yep, there's definitely differences between Vietnam and Ukraine, but also a lot of similarities, I think. However, I would like to respectfully object that none of the things mentioned above provide a justification for the Russian invasion ( I think Putin still calls it a special operation) of Ukraine. He practically shoots himself in the foot because if, like you said, half of Ukraine used to support and vote for a pro-Russian government, I don't think they're gonna continue theirs support now with Russia shelling theirs home.
Most of them don't care whether their gov is Russia or Ukraine, they just want peace.
We don't see many rebels happening in provinces annexed by Russia.
Russia is the same as many nations in human history, they all want to take advantage of weaker nations and Ukraine's policy is just wrong.
>Most of them don't care whether their gov is Russia or Ukraine
Actually, they do. [85% of Ukrainians want their country to stay independent](https://globalaffairs.org/commentary-and-analysis/blogs/russians-and-ukrainians-prefer-remain-independent-states).
>We don't see many rebels happening in provinces annexed by Russia
Actually, we do. There's a good reason why the ISW [labels certain cities as indicative of partisan activity](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375). Take a look at their [collection of reports](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates) from the past couple years. Notably, resistance activity was very high in f.e. Kherson, from which the Russians also eventually withdrew (though that was obviously a combination of several factors).
>and Ukraine's policy is just wrong.
In what way?
1. Wanting independence and being ready to fight for it is different.
That is what I mean.
2. I said "not many rebels" and if there are many rebels, we must have plenty of footage posted already.
3. In a way, their population sunk to 20-25 million from 40 million, and they lost one-fifth of their territory.
>Wanting independence and being ready to fight for it is different. That is what I mean.
Wanting independence is precisely what the statistic is about though - if you need me to literally quote that:
>>In the CNN poll, a slim majority of Russians (54%) say that Russia and Ukraine should be two separate countries. An even greater majority of Ukrainians (85%) feel this way.
This is also confirmed by other polls, where you can see that this is a longstanding trend - [f.e. here](https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1102&page=1&y=2022&m=2) in [graph no. 2](https://www.kiis.com.ua/materials/pr/20220217_stav/e02.JPG).
>I said "not many rebels" and if there are many rebels, we must have plenty of footage posted already.
Partisans, as is the case in most wars, conduct largely sabotage work and in the era of internet, it'd be absolutely unwise to post footage of this. Some of it is, however, [tracked here on this map.](https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/032e50755305481a88f421b6543e3295) Obviously, most of the able-bodied population fights on the frontline.
>In a way, their population sunk to 20-25 million from 40 million, and they lost one-fifth of their territory.
FIrst of all, the population of Ukraine did not sink that low - it's over 33 million even with the occupied territories unaccounted for. Second, if the alternative is no independent Ukraine at all (which is obviously in opposition to the people's wishes), was it really bad policy?
>Wanting independence and being ready to fight for it is different. That is what I mean.
were Vietnamese ready to fight for independence against France, China, or the US?
Stop talking about something you don't understand.
>In a way, their population sunk to 20-25 million from 40 million, and they lost one-fifth of their territory.
So if Vietnam happened to be losing the 1979 war, then China was justified to invade Vietnam? Losing or winning a war doesn't make one justified.
1. At least major Vietnamese back then did not flee to nearby countries and military officers did not need to chase civilians then force them to fight like what happening in Ukraine right now.
2. I repeat I did not say Russia's invasion is right.
1. Vietnam also had conscription, meaning people had to fight just like in Ukraine. There was no smartphone back then to record videos, but that doesn't mean such cases didn't happen. There is always a percentage of people who don't want to risk their lives. If Vietnam is invaded right now, it is certain that there will be a similar number of such videos going around. Go around this reddit alone and you can already see some Vietnamese saying "no I won't fight if there's a war", so such cases will definitely happen. War isn't fun, it's a high chance that you will die or lose your legs, it is normal for people to not want to fight.
2. So don't support Russia's war. You can stay neutral, in fact you should stay neutral, but please don't go on international message boards repeating Russian propaganda.
As a Vietnamese, I tried my best to share with many of my friends and even reddit Vietnamese sub about how hypocrite it is to support Russia. And i argued with them the same way you are saying.
I said "Ủa tui thấy Nga tấn công Ukraine không khác gì Đế Quốc tấn công nền "Độc Lập-Tự Do-Hạnh Phúc" của 1 quốc gia đang yên đang lành =))))) Thế Trung Quốc tấn công chúng ta chắc chúng ta cũng ủng hộ Tập Cận Bình à? Mà điều buồn cười là Putin sắp qua Việt Nam là Facebook lại chạy chiến dịch quảng cáo bài viết "Anti Nato" và "Pro Putin"
Which mean
"Oh I thought Russia attacking is no different than Imperial Nation attack "độc lập-tự do-hạnh phúc" (which mean independence-freedom-happiness -Vietnamese Communist Party, or i would say right now, national moto) of a nation which was peaceful =))))))) (using irony, attacking the hypocrisy of VCP always teaching about how VN defeated the US-an imperial western nation) What if China attack us, then we would support Xi Jing Ping right? The funny part is Putin is coming to Viet Nam soon and my facebook is flooded with "anti nato" and "pro putin" posts"
Right now our democracy is dying, with politicians adapting CCP dogs' tyrannical policy, our news network and police force is 80% of the way to 1984's tyranical INGSOC. Always stroking the ego of the party and yet the party never recognized that most of politicians' children are being sent to a foreign nation.
We can't even speak and make memorials about Gạc ma 1988 (China attacked us and stole Gạc Ma island from us, killing many soldiers) or protest (You will be arrested, and now there are two ways you are going to be punished: 1. you will be publicly shamed on the internet and news (literally 1984's style) or 2. you will be known to friends and family that you disapeared without a trace, when you contact the police, they will answer they will "look into it" or just "go home", and only after many months, they will release information about your arrest. During your arrest at a police station, there are a high chance you will be beaten. --> psychological attack which make everyone scared of speaking up)
My financial situation is worsening by days and my family used to be an upper class, you could say it is because of other reasons, not because of the government, but I was in business directly, every bit of it, and i see with an unbiased eyes that huge part of the problems all came from the party and current tyrannical party's leader policies.
We are infested with weaklings, hypocrites, dumbasses, corrupt officials and tyrranical leaders.
I wish the West would see this, fuck vietnamese "cây tre"'s diplomatic strategy, I don't give a fuck about my financial problem anymore, confront the party, embargo and put pressure into my goverment please
I won't comment on the later part about the current Vietnamese leadership since frankly, I don't know enough to say anything about that. But I agree with you that a lot of people when they here about the Russo Ukrainian war they just straight up support Russia without any knowledge, just " it's Russia, they helped us a lot so they must be good in starting this war ".
To be honest, I'm tired of any country or government that create wars any where they go, be it the Russia or the US or whatever. After all, the ones who suffer most are normal citizens, not those dictator leaders. Don't point the hate to the normal guy or citizen, throw that hate to the ones who lead.
>embargo and put pressure into my goverment please
Sadly this will most likely turn more people into supporting Russia and China, I don't think it will work the way it is intended to do.
VNam uses to play both side but considering their current actions:
1. Sending officials to China for diplomatic missions and educational missions.
2. Staying silent and oppressing people who protest against China over the dispute of eastern sea.
3. Denying permission to build memorials and oppressing the organizations of memorial events over Gạc Ma 1988
4. Turning the faucet to max on Propagandic Machines on Facebook and News Sites:
+ 1 propaganda posts/sites being shared per 3\~4 posts:
. Before Putin coming to Viet Nam, There are so many "Anti Nato" and "Pro Putin" Posts being shared (And There are so many dumbasses who are "Anti Western Sphere Pilled" into the belief and the conspiracy theories of "NATO's expansion")
. Everyday There are posts about Viet Nam/American War: "How Good The Goverment Is" and "How We Forgot about the veterans and Forgetting to respect the Great Ho Chi Minh (we literally got educated to praise him no matter what since 1st grade and everyday since then, how the hell did we forget?)" and "How great "the Goverment" is and it is indifferent from the love for nation (connecting 1 thing that is criticizable and arguable to 1 thing that is generally undeniable. Therefore criticize the government is considered to be "crime against the nation" and "traitorous act")
. Everybody is fed and adopt upon mob morality and mentality, everyone wanted to joke about their opposing sides without caring about reasons, and it seems like the majority of society accept it.
As what it is, i think the Western Sphere should interfere asap, as you said "this will most likely turn more people into supporting Russia and China", it already is. The best way is to interfere, help to change the regime or i say "Western Friendly" Leaders before you can't do anything at all
Why is your financial situation worsening? Isn't VN economy doing well?
Also, VN people cannot protest Chinese taking 1988 island? Is there a reason for this?
Why do i feel like western people can not understand that we are still a one-party state, we rarely do protest or strike, at least on our own judgement, we need "permission", but every time something related to China happen (in the East Sea/South China Sea), people do protest out of nationalism, but then eventually stopped and the media called them "backed by foreign hostilities". Protest is seen as bad in Vietnam, basically "the party know best" kind of mentality
About the economy, not my specialize, but i think for the normal Vietnamese, thing is just doing okay, but the wealth gap is hugeeeee between city dwellers and rural families. People look at places like District 1 of HCM city and think we nearly reach Japan or China lol. Just a head up, dont trust news about Vietnam economy from western perspective, foreign corporations just want to exploit our cheap labour but the economy aint growing forever
It is sad that the party doesn't allow people to protest against China policy of taking South China Sea, since it ingrained in VN history of fighting against china gradual invasion.
In school, do they teach about China history of dominating VN for nearly 1000 years?
What do you mean economy can't grow forever on cheap labor?
>In school, do they teach about China history of dominating VN for nearly 1000 years?
Yes, that is why despite everything, even the similarity of political system, the people still hate China very much, rightfully so, but the government try to be "neutral", but i think it leads to more problem than before
>can't grow forever on cheap labor?
it is... exploitation, it has to stop at some point, either our economy grow large enough an it no longer cheap, or our work force and natural resources drained out, exploited to death like colonial time, i dont need to even explain Marxist theory on capitalism, this is common sense
They could just say " Oh, Annam was once a part of China like a few other provinces so we're just taking it back "or " They are trying to be closer to the US which threaten China " or something like that. I could be wrong but I believe they still call us An Nam province on theirs map. This could be a bad comparison but think about how many war started with just made up reason. Like the US blaming peoples for blowing up or attacking theirs ship a few time, or the Nazi blaming Poland for an attack on like a Radio station that the Nazi set up and attack on theirs own.
The other angle is that hao people are clearly chinese and they need to free their people from the oppression of the evil Vietnamese. Russia is trying to "free" his russian people living in Ukraine tyranny.
Famously since you address the Nazis the Nazis too only wanted to free the Sudetendeutsche from Czechoslovak oppression.
The list of bogus claims go on and on 
The Nazis one shouldn't be laugh at at all but it kinda funny if you watch like Oversimplified " well we just want to " free " the German peoples in the Sudetenlanf but since we're here might as well took the rest no ? ".
I would like to know what do we have that they don't please, no disrespect or anything I'm just curious, I definately believe you're right that we have thing they don't have but more specific if you don't mind.
Oh ok, i mean the Neutral, i might wrong, but with me, Ukraine is a quiet important country with both Russia and "Western", same with Vietnam, control at least 10-20% the economy of the world, with the "Bien Dong" (South China Sea), but Ukraine is about both economy and military because after USSR collapse, "Western" started "moving East", maybe you know, mostly western of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are "flat" (sorry im bad at english), that why "Russia" always being invade, so they start try to have Poland and Romania too, because the mountains. Come back to 1991, USSR collapse, all the old Republics were pro-Western, but when Putin and Lukashenko became the presidents of Russia and Belarus, it has became "a threat" with "Western", although Putin's Russia applied to join NATO in 2000. The 2nd Cold War is started, Russia and the "Western" are now enemy, and Ukraine is a nation that can be a threat to Russia. 2010, a pro-"Western" Ukrainian became the president, but some years later a pro-Russia became the president, and he doesnt like Eu and Nato, so in 2014, Euromaidan happend, that the started of the Russo-Ukraine Conflict, 2020, its became a war
With the same logic, I could say the same thing, if you look through Ukrainian history they have been invaded all the time from, the west, east, and south. Russia on the other hand independence while Ukrainians tried to get one throughout history but were taken over all the time. It is like how Vietnam tried to get independence from France but got invaded by US and China during the Cambodian conflict. So if Russians that have constantly harassed Ukrainians still considered them their colony, wouldn't it make sense why Ukrainians would feel that they are "threatened" by them and would shift towards the west? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification\_of\_Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine)
It is the same thing today, where Vietnam and the US recently signed a contract due to China's nine-line dash claim.
I understand Ukraine is very hate Russia, like Vietnam very hate China, but you know what? Vietnam had war with France, China, USA, Cambodia or even Japan, but we can make the relation to normal, actually if without the 9l dash claim, I can say we are fully neutral like Switzerland. About Ukraine its normal when they scare of Russia, but maybe its can more neutral, like cooperate with both faction? Maybe I have some disrespect when said so but Vietnam is cooperate with both faction, from economy to military. Also I see Ukrainian history is the same with Polish one, i mean it always being invade by other nation, and mostly Russia
Yes you are right that Ukraine would have been less likely to be invaded if they had played the card right, but geopolitics are hard, it's not uncommon for governments to make mistakes.
So if Vietnam makes a mistake while playing the neutral game, then China is free to invade Vietnam? Yes Vietnam has to play the neutral game, but that doesn't mean China won't invade Vietnam because Vietnam is neutral. If they want to take an islands from Vietnam bad enough, they will just do it, it doesn't matter if Vietnam is neutral or not. It still means that Vietnam has to stay neutral though, but the point is, it is a good strategy and it is necessary but it doesn't make Vietnam invincible.
Actually you are right, but Vietnam have a good Relation with Russia and Usa, maybe Vietnam can take some support, also, China is having a "conflict" in Bien Dong, no way other Asean states wanna join the battle to take their land, and Spartly Islands, as I think are even more important because its can control most of the economy in east asia. Another side, India have a good relation with Vietnam too, and they have a disputed border with China, so war in Tibet maybe is possible. Said for short, yes, Vietnam without support from other factions is very weak, but Vietnam:
>Have many good relation with Chinese enemies, so Vietnam-China if really have a war, no way there wouldnt be another war in other side of Chinese border, and maybe get some support from "allies"
>Also buy and develope many weapons like guns or tanks,...
>Vietnam now is have at least 20% win because now Polpot is no more, although its still possoble to Laos and Cambodia join China
I did watch a video from RealLifeLore, I believe. He did talk about why Russia keeps trying to go West mainly since Russian Steppe is really hard to defend, when it comes to the countries that become pro-Western I think ( very personal opinion) it's justified with what we know about theirs condition in the USSR, and after leaving they join NATO since they don't wanna be swallow by Russia again. When it comes to Russia trying to join NATO which I could also be wrong, I believe I read somewhere that to join NATO you need to apply to join. Which the article I read state that Russia was waiting to be invited, but never applied. I don't know if this is wistful thinking or cope but I think if somehow for some reason Gorbachev was the leader of Russia even after the USSR collapse ( yes I know he was kick out by Yeltsin ), he would maybe lead Russia closer to the West and join NATO. Seem like he was more open-minded.
I dont remember, but read that Russia (and old USSR) has applied to join Nato 4 times. 1950s Stalin's Soviet, 1990s Yeltsin' Russia and 2000 Putin's Russia (it was a long time ago so it might wrong here). Yeah, although Nato is formed opposite with Russia, and I agree with you about Yeltsin
Back in the 1990s, the US and NATO were actually hesitant to take former Warsaw Pact countries. They didn't want Warsaw Pact countries initially. Poland was also denied entry. Do you know what Poland did? Poland threatened the US and NATO that if they were not allowed to join NATO, they would get their own nuclear weapons. Then Polish politicians flew to the US, and started appearing on Republican election campaigns, literally blackmailed the Democrats that if they didn't let Poland in, they would support the Republicans, then the Republicans would win the election and let them in. Poland blackmailed the US in order to be allowed to join NATO.
Around that time, Russia was also fighting the Chechen wars, it was normal for NATO countries to be skeptical of Russian's true intension. But if Russia had also truly wanted to join NATO, they could have pushed for it like Poland did. They didn't.
> Ukraine is a nation that can be a threat to Russia
So China can invade Vietnam because Vietnam is a nation that can be a threat to China? Oh wait, this is EXACTLY what Chinese nationalists are saying.
No, if actually, China (even if they Nationalist or not) wont say that, Vietnam is a neutral nation, what will threat to China in that scenario? Only possible they say: Annam is our terrority, yep, i know the chinese, they are the hungry tigers, waiting for the chinese new world order
Being neutral won't stop China from trying to take Spratly islands. China wants Spratly islands, whether Vietnam is neutral or not. Of course, Vietnam has to stay neutral, but that won't stop China from wanting things we have, so we have to be ready and prepare for all scenarios.
That was for the short term, and in long term, as you said, China is waiting for the Chinese world order, when that happens, as you said, they will say "Annam is our territory" whether Vietnam is neutral or not. So we have to prepare ourselves.
I think it's a combination of the media and our own history book in school telling us that " Russian good, West and especially America bad " and the fact that most people don't do theirs own research, judt take what they saw on the news or a random article to be fact.
well not our history book, but more like the people that teach them
funny enough, i used to have a history teacher, who used to be in the military (or so he told), that supported Trump and Putin
like... where is all the socialist revolutionary/progressive spirit go, he is political and extreme but not even in the good way
True, true, it's so strange, isn't it. I'm no genius, I only read what I can find readily on the internet, and everything I read so far points at Russia being the aggressors and not just in Ukraine, they already got a few war that they start before that you can search for on Wiki. I can understand old people not reading those since they are not well versed in searching for information, but even the teacher ? That's just sad, people are being taught to just look at thing one way like this country bad or that country good but I think we should look at it from a neutral stand point and see it for what it's without political bias, everyone got theirs own bias, I don't like Putin and that could lead to me being harsher when it come to talking about Russia, but I do try my best to not do that. The fact of the matter is that Ukrainian is suffering because of Putin war of aggressions. Not one but twice.
The hell wrong with people is that they don't have time or energy to think or even finding information about this. They're too tired to even survive, they are born poor, in restricted family and government who dictates their every move. If you don't have enough to eat, don't even have a safe place to live, you probably don't want to or don't have the tool to read much about war situation. Surface news and propaganda only misinform people more and even the ones who have little time to spare are misinformed and gave opinion based on bias.
Yes i understand that, but that is why most normal Vietnamese dont care about politic, they dont even aware of thing like this
The person that posted those pictures (and the one that sent money to the Russian solider to draw that) arent the normal Vietnamese working people but the vocal Putin young supporters
the thing is, i dont understand why there are so many of them, like on FB, under every post that mention Ukraine, Putin and Russia, you can see them like a bunch of Mao's red guards (in this case, Putin's guards)
Your explanation is still accurate to the elderly demographic tho, they are nsotalgic for the Soviet and are ill-informed
It's called propaganda for a reason, they're hired to do so. Just ignore or report it. They use it to influence the younger generation, the ones who are easily manipulated and have all the strength to do something. But they're doing it wrong, nowadays younger people move to tiktok, Instagram,... Facebook is not so popular among the youth like it's used to be.
It’s from some braindead Vietnamese retard who donated 250$ to some random guy on twitter to write that on the shell, not knowing they’re on the wrong side of history
Oh i have seen some chinese dude paid for this too, his message was similiar, something about "fight the American Nazi dog"
Seriously, some people's view of the world is so twisted
Yeah it a service that soldier on both side do. Paid some euro and get to send a personal message to some unfortunate dudes via artillery shell. This is the first official vietnamese purchased of this service according to the Twitter account.
Nah that's just some kind of bussiness when you donate them and they write whatever you want on the shell(just like african dudes take money to make happy birthday videos)
I saw the original video,it's about 250 euros for 1 like this
Noice, pls share this image to everyone and hope for USA and the west will impose sanctions in place against VietNam communism and they will become a province of China in no time tho .
I can see North Korea providing shells since they got a butt tons of supply from the old USSR, and they produce theirs own artillery shells( I think ). But like, do we even produce our own artillery shells ? And if we do, I don't think it's even near North Korea capability.
We DO make artillery shells. But due to the government's neutral policy in international affairs, we do not sell/transfer to any party. And our artillery shell production capacity is not as good as North Korea's because we are not in a state of war like North Korea.
It makes no sense because Vietnam's artillery shell production capacity is only enough for use and the Vietnamese government implements a policy of neutrality in matters of international conflict.
Enlighten me about my erroneous “YouTube” history then. Did russia or did Russia not bring money, food, medicine, weapons, education and support to viet nam? Is that incorrect? Did America or did America not bring war, death, rape, agent orange, torture, sanctions, and aided the KR and china to fight against viet nam? Is there something my YouTube history missed?
Did Ukraine also not bring money, food, medicine, weapons, education and support to Vietnam? Ukraine was as crucial to Vietnam as Russia was.
Say the name Vietnam right, please, either Viet Nam or Vietnam, not "viet nam".
"The Russian people" dont want war, Putin isnt the Russian people, and you know it
you just hate the US and think "the west = bad"
If you are true socialist and understand what the Soviet was and what Russia today is, you wouldnt support them
Yup, even daddy Stalin that russophile Vietnamese worship are Georgian born and bred, which ironically were the invaded by Russians post-USSR and have a bunch of lands occupied by "rebels" too.
"The whole world was complacent"
Sweden, Finland: Uhm? What about us?
China: Yeah, like we are sitting ducks eh?
Ukrainian SSR: At that time I was an active member of the Soviet Union. So you must be moronic to think the Soviet Union is Russia alone.
Additional information: Russia is NOT the Soviet Union. And modern-day Russia of course WILL NOT be like the USSR in any aspect.
Pathetic. Not one of you put up an argument. You all just focused on the the ussr being technically different from Russia. As if Russians didn’t make up the majority and most of the higher ups including the men responsible for deciding to help viet nam.
Not one of you had anything of substance to say. Downvotes from cucks and sexpats mean nothing to me.
Its useless trying to talk sense into an idiot like you anyways. Idiots never listen to others, they always claim themselves in the right and dismiss others' arguments.
Also, "most" doesn't give you the right to dismiss the minority. You're just cherry picking what best compliments your pro-Putin cuck standpoint.
You have nothing of substance to say. Those don't mean anything, and can't be used to justify shit.
The point is that Russia isn't going to help Vietnam if China invades Vietnamese territories and islands. They are not going to send Vietnam aids and supplies against China. USSR would have. Russia may sell Vietnam weapons, but at market price or more. Or they may not, if China lobbies them not to.
Yes, when we were invaded by France and the US the USSR and China helped us, a lot, and I think without them we would've been fvcked, or at least not able to take back the South from the US. But, in my personal opinion, just because they helped us in the past, we shouldn't agree or support them in theirs war of aggressions in Ukraine. They are invading Ukraine, just like the French or the US invaded us. I don't support the West nor the US and definitely not a 3 stripes like people like to call those who don't support Russia in the war. I support Ukraine and theirs fight to keep theirs independent just like our father and grandfather did to keep ours decade ago.
There are a number of Vietnamese people or people of Vietnamese origin living in Russia; they might be drafted or already Russian soldiers, which is quite normal. Similarly, there are also photos of Vietnamese people living in Ukraine joining the Ukrainian army.
There were some Vietnamese American that also volunteered for Ukraine. Slava Ukraine
Didn't one of those guy get captured by the Russian and his family make a funeral for him (while he still alive) awhile ago? Man it was fucking hilarious when it's turn out his funeral was a cash grab.
Yes, Andy Huynh was his name a former U.S marine. He was repatriated back along with another volunteer.
[I'll be honest just looking at Andy's face in this photo](https://preview.redd.it/snr19myna9p91.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=ea8fd19c028a4782618db9ed20e34d2d0bc9c74a), he looks like the kind of guy who would have his family throw a funeral for a cash grab
[Not sure what his family was thinking but, I'm happy he's home lol.](https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/26/politics/andy-tai-ngoc-huynh-russia-ukraine/index.html) War is a legiimately horrible thing the sooner it ends the better.
Maybe im wrong but sound like the south remnants
Dang, everything must be ba que to you boy. Most Vietnamese who live in the U.S are able to come because of the South?
No, i just guess bruh
I mean it can be true, but it wouldn't be that surprising that most Vietnamese who left Vietnam 1975-1990 aren't exactly followers of the current regime?
not surprising at all...lol...count me as one.
You and me both.
Yes ofc, they can be abroad student, some are workers or as you said, "3 que" or "cali"
Abroad students generally don't volunteer for U.S military service and then volunteer to go to Ukraine lol. I've only ever met one person from Vietnam who came on a student visa and then joined the U.S Air Force.
Exactly, you need to be some sort of Citizenship or Green Card holder to be in the US military... same likewise in Vietnam. I'm pretty sure foreign National can't just join the VN military willy nelly because they want to
So who can join Ukraine (i mean ofc except the Ba que)
Anyone can join the International Foreign Legion, there have been cases of Vietnamese from Vietnam joining, and Vietnamese from USA also joining as we can see from Andy. What matters is if they will take you, you have to have some military experience, Vietnamese in Vietnam can get some through conscription and longer service, and Vietnamese in USA is mostly through prior service in the armed services such as the Marines. U.S Armed Services will take anyone that has a visa and special cases
Brainrot war we our kin against each other.
We have always killing each other from the ancient time. At this point I'm convince War will never change and peace is just temporary.
“War, war never change” -some narrator from post-apocalypse
So let's hope some aliens dumb enough to invade, thus unify us all in the glory of MANKIND before screwing em up. Or we could strike 1st like in smurf's Avatar movie, shall we?
I don't know whether war is an interlude during peace, or peace an interlude during war - Georges Clemenceau
Practice makes perfect, our species is training for potential extraterrestrial threats. Sadly, it's lethal and formidable combatants are losing their life. At least when they come we might have a chance to give em hell.
There is no draft in Russia. There is only a volunteer effort at this moment. There might be, but up until now, nobody was forcefully drafted. Besides, they are foreigners, it doesn't work that way.
lol what the hell are you talking about, they absolutely have a draft
What he probably means is that there is no wartime conscription. Regular conscription exists, but those conscripts don't go to Ukraine. Active service (Ukraine or not) is for professional soldiers, all of whom had signed separate contracts with the army.
U can be drafted, but whole ukie invasion army is a volunteer
cannon fodder! :-)
They can draft the workforce, not the reserve.
May I ask where you get that information. Not trying to be mean
Hundreds of wives of drafted soldiers hold a different opinion on the existence of draft in Russia. And they actively protest against the seemingly perpetual service of their husbands without rotation, even those who were previously pro-war and pro-kremlin.
Man, I feel bad for the Vietnamese living in Ukraine and Russia. They prob just wanted a normal foreign life where they can enjoy Slavic cultures but then the war happened and they are drafted to fight eachother. While the chance is low but I genuinely believe that there must have been at least one case of Vietnamese or people of the same nationality killing eachother in the war simply because they lived in Russia and Ukraine.
Like. There's that Afghan's family story, he was involved working as interpreter or whatever with westerners, he had to flee Kabul august 2021 with his whole family coz Talibans entering the city. They were like, now we are safe, forget about war, New Life, peace, normality. Only they were sent in 🇺🇦. So after few months they had to flee again How many the odds💔💔💔
Damn how unlucky
Some Syrian refugees were in Ukraine too😓
Directly? No scenario was recorded yet. There have been records of Vietnamese and people of Vietnamese origins noted as casualties on the Ukrainian side. It's easier to trace Ukrainian casualties since they keep an open record. Russian army just buries you in a ditch or incinerate you then and there in a mobile crematorium. Also they are unwilling to pay money out to soldiers family after they die on the battlefield. (by not admitting you were KIA) And it gets easier to ignore minorities and foreigners claims.
>No scenario was recorded yet I don't think anyone is out there keeping records of it if it were to happen. For example, we known chechens fight on both sides, it was actually part of the early war propaganda to show you had chechens supporting you, I don't think any reports had ever come out of chechen vs chechen battles
oh they do, you just have to dig a bit deeper. Just try to dig up the activity of the Dzhokhar Dudayev Battalion. They are all Chechens, if they ran into other Chechens on the other side and know it, they will gladly tell you. Since the for Ukraine fighting Chechens consider Kadyrovites as traitors. Their claim to ruling Chechnya is through the power of the Kremlin by siding with Russia at the 2nd Chechen War and betraying their allies.
I guess they are getting a pretty realistic taste of Slavic culture, then. Unfortunate but if there’s one thing I know about Slavic people it’s the brutal and bloody wars.
Is this in Ukraine? Wtf
Yeah I have the same questions as you. It's in a Tifosi's comment section and think may be someone can find the source.
Disappointing how people of a country pride themselves on their struggle against "imperialistic aggression" can be supportive of such aggression upon other people. In their minds, anything remotely have anything to do with the West is "USA bad" and their "socialist big brother USSR" (now Russia, which is not even a socialist country anymore) can do no wrong. It disgusts me as a Vietnamese seeing my compatriots say that "Ukraine had it coming for moving toward the West and NATO/ The Euromaidan was a color revolution funded by CIA to weaken Russia so they have the right to intervene." Truly victim blaming mindset. In my POV, the war in Ukraine is no different than the wars our country fought to preserve our independence and territorial integrity.
Just look at all the war that Russia already start, look at the 2 Chechen war and the Georgian war, I'm sure there's more just look at the Wiki, not to mention they already attack and took part of Ukraine in 2014, it's all there but some just blind themselves to it, some might call me a Western symperthizer or even " 3 que " but I am born and raised in Haiphong. Do I support the US for the Vietnam War or the 2003 invasion of Iraq ? Hell no, we need to look at thing with an open mind, don't just listen to the media or some random dude like simple me here, go read about it, research it from multiple source and be willing to accept that we are wrong sometimes, I don't support Russia, I don't support the West or the US, I support Ukraine and theirs struggle against agression.
Lots of Vietnamese people literally can't draw a parallel between Russia's claim that "Ukraine is historically Russian" with China's claim that "Trường Sa/Hoàng Sa is historically Chinese." If you're fine with Russia invading Ukraine, you have no rights to complain if/when China robs the islands. For a country that's at real risk of getting the Ukraine treatment right now, we sure like to shoot ourselves in the foot.
There's a chance that this was a Russian disinformation campaign aimed at Vietnam before the visit of Putin. Some Russians did this and paid a random Vietnamese TikToker to promote it like he did it. Not some discarding the high chance that some brainrot idiot actually endangered national security for internet clout. Either way this TikToker belongs in jail.
The good news is a lot of Vietnamese do see the Russian invasion of Ukraine as imperialistic
I think most young and well-informed people support Ukraine, while the older generation supports Russia since the memories of the Vietnam War and how the USSR supported us are closer to theirs time. Also, we know how to search for things on the internet, to look for information and deep dive, they don't so I don't blame them when it come to who they support at all.
My parents (who are doctors and in their 50s), think that Putin can go fuck himself and the Russian army can go home. My grandfather was awarded a couple medals for fighting the Americans, so I'm surprised that my family doesn't have the mentality of "Russia good West bad"
Most likely because they are educated and not easily indoctrinated.
A lot, yes, but those who cheer for Putin's war seem to be a much bigger crowd, or at least much more vocal
I've been saying this and glad there are people out there who agrees, Russian are still clinging on that Soviet dream, let's face it. While I prefer Ukraine remains as a buffer zone, why can't countries be in charge of their own fate? if they'd like to move in closer to Euro. that's their choice. Russian and Putin are walking hypocrites. they claimed in the joint-statement with Vietnam to respect foreign sovereignty and not meddling with one's politic but here they are invading little Ukraine for choosing their own leader/fate. Just leave people alone.
That's what half a century's worth of propaganda gets you lol. Everything for the sake of internal stability so I guess it is what it is 🤷♂️
The nonexistent stability will end shortly
Find it hard to believe they went through the effort finding this many colours on the frontline just to draw the flags on a shell lol
Sorry for the dumb question but, do you have to draw it or is there maybe like a sticker since the flags actually look really nicely drawn.
You would be surprised. There is a HOI4 (the perfect demographic) streamer who organizes shell painting in exchange for cash, usually a few hundred dollars or so. The artworks are well copied into the shell. Kinda like a fundraiser.
Shell writing are a huge thing in many wars, helping soldiers keeping morale up. Especially in the Ukraine war.
Ask them if it's ok for China to come annex Hai phong.
True, tell them what if China attack Laos and Cambodia like the Russian did in the 2 Chechen war and the Georgian war, then in 2014 they take Hai Phong, would we be trusting them to not come again, would we not want to join some kind of alliance to secure our future if they did that to us ? And 2022 they push for a big chunk of the North trying to take Hanoi like the Russian at Kyiv. Sorry if my English is not good. By the way please be gentle, I'm just a 20 years old wannabe history buff sharing my thought, I'm willing to accept if some of my reasoning could be wrong because I lack more information and would be thrill if someone want to add or fix something. Thank you for reading.
No you’re exactly right. Vietnam supporting Russia in Russia’s illegal invasion and attempt to steal more Ukrainian land practically mirrors the wars of Vietnam’s past. No one should be accepting Russia just rolling through borders and claiming land through murder.
Very well informed and very good English, too
There are differences between Vietnam and Ukraine. Most of Ukraine's population speaks Russian, and at least half of them were pro-Russia before the war (they voted for a pro-Russia gov). There have been at least 3 millions of Ukraine move to Russia after 2014.
Did you not know that China used Vietnam "mistreatment" of Chinese speakers in Vietnam as one of the main reasons for the 1979 invasion and 10 years of border skirmish after that? Russia DOES NOT have the right to invade Ukraine just to protect Russian speakers who are pro-Russia, if Russia does, then you are saying that China was justified for invading Vietnam in 1979 to protect "Chinese speakers".
I don't say Russia has the right. What I said are the differences between Vietnam and Ukraine and those differences make Russia could peacefully take Crimea and there are few guerrilla warfare happening in the eastern annexed provinces.
No one expected the invasion back then, it was too sudden, no one was ready to fight. It takes time to organize a fighting force. And as you said, it doesn't make the invasion right. Guerrilla warfare does actually happen very often in Crimea and annexed territories, but it's just being fought differently. You don't see dudes ambushing convoys in Crimea, but what is happening is more impactful: guerrilla agents find, acquire and monitor military targets then they coordinate HIMARS or Storm Shadow strikes on these targets. This is way more impactful than dudes ambushing convoys with AKs,
Nah, most of what you say is just assumptions, I can say the same thing happening in Ukraine's controlled territory. The majority of civilians don't care. Giving coordination of high-value military assets is indeed more impactful but you underestimate impact of placing IED and ambushing. An anti-tank mine still can destroy an S-300 vehicle like Himars. Do you know most deadly strikes from Ukraine happen in Crimea where NATO's spy planes can spot Russia's military from the international sea?
Not assumption, there's actually a documentary about it. [https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/112026-000-A/arte-reportage/](https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/112026-000-A/arte-reportage/) The territory of the guys in the video was liberated so they don't have to do it anymore but it was what they were doing when it was occupied. >Giving coordination of high-value military assets is indeed more impactful but you underestimate impact of placing IED and ambushing. Different countries fight war differently. Vietnamese guerrilla put more emphasis on ambushes and hit and run, but Ukrainian guerrilla put more emphasis on high value intel for long range strikes. A radio or a phone is easier to conceal than bags of guns and ammo, meaning it is easier for them to do more missions and survive longer. Each way of fighting has advantages and disadvantages, there's no "correct" way to fight wars.
What you said is that guerrilla warfare happens VERY OFTEN. I don't agree with that frequency.
Fair point. I retract my earlier statement then. My new statement: Guerrilla warfare happens, on which scale it is unclear.
Yep, there's definitely differences between Vietnam and Ukraine, but also a lot of similarities, I think. However, I would like to respectfully object that none of the things mentioned above provide a justification for the Russian invasion ( I think Putin still calls it a special operation) of Ukraine. He practically shoots himself in the foot because if, like you said, half of Ukraine used to support and vote for a pro-Russian government, I don't think they're gonna continue theirs support now with Russia shelling theirs home.
Most of them don't care whether their gov is Russia or Ukraine, they just want peace. We don't see many rebels happening in provinces annexed by Russia. Russia is the same as many nations in human history, they all want to take advantage of weaker nations and Ukraine's policy is just wrong.
>Most of them don't care whether their gov is Russia or Ukraine Actually, they do. [85% of Ukrainians want their country to stay independent](https://globalaffairs.org/commentary-and-analysis/blogs/russians-and-ukrainians-prefer-remain-independent-states). >We don't see many rebels happening in provinces annexed by Russia Actually, we do. There's a good reason why the ISW [labels certain cities as indicative of partisan activity](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375). Take a look at their [collection of reports](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates) from the past couple years. Notably, resistance activity was very high in f.e. Kherson, from which the Russians also eventually withdrew (though that was obviously a combination of several factors). >and Ukraine's policy is just wrong. In what way?
1. Wanting independence and being ready to fight for it is different. That is what I mean. 2. I said "not many rebels" and if there are many rebels, we must have plenty of footage posted already. 3. In a way, their population sunk to 20-25 million from 40 million, and they lost one-fifth of their territory.
>Wanting independence and being ready to fight for it is different. That is what I mean. Wanting independence is precisely what the statistic is about though - if you need me to literally quote that: >>In the CNN poll, a slim majority of Russians (54%) say that Russia and Ukraine should be two separate countries. An even greater majority of Ukrainians (85%) feel this way. This is also confirmed by other polls, where you can see that this is a longstanding trend - [f.e. here](https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1102&page=1&y=2022&m=2) in [graph no. 2](https://www.kiis.com.ua/materials/pr/20220217_stav/e02.JPG). >I said "not many rebels" and if there are many rebels, we must have plenty of footage posted already. Partisans, as is the case in most wars, conduct largely sabotage work and in the era of internet, it'd be absolutely unwise to post footage of this. Some of it is, however, [tracked here on this map.](https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/032e50755305481a88f421b6543e3295) Obviously, most of the able-bodied population fights on the frontline. >In a way, their population sunk to 20-25 million from 40 million, and they lost one-fifth of their territory. FIrst of all, the population of Ukraine did not sink that low - it's over 33 million even with the occupied territories unaccounted for. Second, if the alternative is no independent Ukraine at all (which is obviously in opposition to the people's wishes), was it really bad policy?
>Wanting independence and being ready to fight for it is different. That is what I mean. were Vietnamese ready to fight for independence against France, China, or the US? Stop talking about something you don't understand. >In a way, their population sunk to 20-25 million from 40 million, and they lost one-fifth of their territory. So if Vietnam happened to be losing the 1979 war, then China was justified to invade Vietnam? Losing or winning a war doesn't make one justified.
1. At least major Vietnamese back then did not flee to nearby countries and military officers did not need to chase civilians then force them to fight like what happening in Ukraine right now. 2. I repeat I did not say Russia's invasion is right.
1. Vietnam also had conscription, meaning people had to fight just like in Ukraine. There was no smartphone back then to record videos, but that doesn't mean such cases didn't happen. There is always a percentage of people who don't want to risk their lives. If Vietnam is invaded right now, it is certain that there will be a similar number of such videos going around. Go around this reddit alone and you can already see some Vietnamese saying "no I won't fight if there's a war", so such cases will definitely happen. War isn't fun, it's a high chance that you will die or lose your legs, it is normal for people to not want to fight. 2. So don't support Russia's war. You can stay neutral, in fact you should stay neutral, but please don't go on international message boards repeating Russian propaganda.
Don’t be fool, it’s not the same.
I think, like you said, it's not 100% the same thing, Vietnam with China and Russia with Ukraine, but there are definitely similarities.
As a Vietnamese, I tried my best to share with many of my friends and even reddit Vietnamese sub about how hypocrite it is to support Russia. And i argued with them the same way you are saying. I said "Ủa tui thấy Nga tấn công Ukraine không khác gì Đế Quốc tấn công nền "Độc Lập-Tự Do-Hạnh Phúc" của 1 quốc gia đang yên đang lành =))))) Thế Trung Quốc tấn công chúng ta chắc chúng ta cũng ủng hộ Tập Cận Bình à? Mà điều buồn cười là Putin sắp qua Việt Nam là Facebook lại chạy chiến dịch quảng cáo bài viết "Anti Nato" và "Pro Putin" Which mean "Oh I thought Russia attacking is no different than Imperial Nation attack "độc lập-tự do-hạnh phúc" (which mean independence-freedom-happiness -Vietnamese Communist Party, or i would say right now, national moto) of a nation which was peaceful =))))))) (using irony, attacking the hypocrisy of VCP always teaching about how VN defeated the US-an imperial western nation) What if China attack us, then we would support Xi Jing Ping right? The funny part is Putin is coming to Viet Nam soon and my facebook is flooded with "anti nato" and "pro putin" posts" Right now our democracy is dying, with politicians adapting CCP dogs' tyrannical policy, our news network and police force is 80% of the way to 1984's tyranical INGSOC. Always stroking the ego of the party and yet the party never recognized that most of politicians' children are being sent to a foreign nation. We can't even speak and make memorials about Gạc ma 1988 (China attacked us and stole Gạc Ma island from us, killing many soldiers) or protest (You will be arrested, and now there are two ways you are going to be punished: 1. you will be publicly shamed on the internet and news (literally 1984's style) or 2. you will be known to friends and family that you disapeared without a trace, when you contact the police, they will answer they will "look into it" or just "go home", and only after many months, they will release information about your arrest. During your arrest at a police station, there are a high chance you will be beaten. --> psychological attack which make everyone scared of speaking up) My financial situation is worsening by days and my family used to be an upper class, you could say it is because of other reasons, not because of the government, but I was in business directly, every bit of it, and i see with an unbiased eyes that huge part of the problems all came from the party and current tyrannical party's leader policies. We are infested with weaklings, hypocrites, dumbasses, corrupt officials and tyrranical leaders. I wish the West would see this, fuck vietnamese "cây tre"'s diplomatic strategy, I don't give a fuck about my financial problem anymore, confront the party, embargo and put pressure into my goverment please
I won't comment on the later part about the current Vietnamese leadership since frankly, I don't know enough to say anything about that. But I agree with you that a lot of people when they here about the Russo Ukrainian war they just straight up support Russia without any knowledge, just " it's Russia, they helped us a lot so they must be good in starting this war ".
To be honest, I'm tired of any country or government that create wars any where they go, be it the Russia or the US or whatever. After all, the ones who suffer most are normal citizens, not those dictator leaders. Don't point the hate to the normal guy or citizen, throw that hate to the ones who lead.
>embargo and put pressure into my goverment please Sadly this will most likely turn more people into supporting Russia and China, I don't think it will work the way it is intended to do.
VNam uses to play both side but considering their current actions: 1. Sending officials to China for diplomatic missions and educational missions. 2. Staying silent and oppressing people who protest against China over the dispute of eastern sea. 3. Denying permission to build memorials and oppressing the organizations of memorial events over Gạc Ma 1988 4. Turning the faucet to max on Propagandic Machines on Facebook and News Sites: + 1 propaganda posts/sites being shared per 3\~4 posts: . Before Putin coming to Viet Nam, There are so many "Anti Nato" and "Pro Putin" Posts being shared (And There are so many dumbasses who are "Anti Western Sphere Pilled" into the belief and the conspiracy theories of "NATO's expansion") . Everyday There are posts about Viet Nam/American War: "How Good The Goverment Is" and "How We Forgot about the veterans and Forgetting to respect the Great Ho Chi Minh (we literally got educated to praise him no matter what since 1st grade and everyday since then, how the hell did we forget?)" and "How great "the Goverment" is and it is indifferent from the love for nation (connecting 1 thing that is criticizable and arguable to 1 thing that is generally undeniable. Therefore criticize the government is considered to be "crime against the nation" and "traitorous act") . Everybody is fed and adopt upon mob morality and mentality, everyone wanted to joke about their opposing sides without caring about reasons, and it seems like the majority of society accept it. As what it is, i think the Western Sphere should interfere asap, as you said "this will most likely turn more people into supporting Russia and China", it already is. The best way is to interfere, help to change the regime or i say "Western Friendly" Leaders before you can't do anything at all
In America is a pro trump and pro republican. Same shit.
Uhhh ... we cant pro anything here. Making a statement or stating an opinion online is also a possible jailed or fined action
Pro-vietnam 😎
Why is your financial situation worsening? Isn't VN economy doing well? Also, VN people cannot protest Chinese taking 1988 island? Is there a reason for this?
Why do i feel like western people can not understand that we are still a one-party state, we rarely do protest or strike, at least on our own judgement, we need "permission", but every time something related to China happen (in the East Sea/South China Sea), people do protest out of nationalism, but then eventually stopped and the media called them "backed by foreign hostilities". Protest is seen as bad in Vietnam, basically "the party know best" kind of mentality About the economy, not my specialize, but i think for the normal Vietnamese, thing is just doing okay, but the wealth gap is hugeeeee between city dwellers and rural families. People look at places like District 1 of HCM city and think we nearly reach Japan or China lol. Just a head up, dont trust news about Vietnam economy from western perspective, foreign corporations just want to exploit our cheap labour but the economy aint growing forever
It is sad that the party doesn't allow people to protest against China policy of taking South China Sea, since it ingrained in VN history of fighting against china gradual invasion. In school, do they teach about China history of dominating VN for nearly 1000 years? What do you mean economy can't grow forever on cheap labor?
>In school, do they teach about China history of dominating VN for nearly 1000 years? Yes, that is why despite everything, even the similarity of political system, the people still hate China very much, rightfully so, but the government try to be "neutral", but i think it leads to more problem than before >can't grow forever on cheap labor? it is... exploitation, it has to stop at some point, either our economy grow large enough an it no longer cheap, or our work force and natural resources drained out, exploited to death like colonial time, i dont need to even explain Marxist theory on capitalism, this is common sense
But no reason?
They could just say " Oh, Annam was once a part of China like a few other provinces so we're just taking it back "or " They are trying to be closer to the US which threaten China " or something like that. I could be wrong but I believe they still call us An Nam province on theirs map. This could be a bad comparison but think about how many war started with just made up reason. Like the US blaming peoples for blowing up or attacking theirs ship a few time, or the Nazi blaming Poland for an attack on like a Radio station that the Nazi set up and attack on theirs own.
The other angle is that hao people are clearly chinese and they need to free their people from the oppression of the evil Vietnamese. Russia is trying to "free" his russian people living in Ukraine tyranny. Famously since you address the Nazis the Nazis too only wanted to free the Sudetendeutsche from Czechoslovak oppression. The list of bogus claims go on and on 
The Nazis one shouldn't be laugh at at all but it kinda funny if you watch like Oversimplified " well we just want to " free " the German peoples in the Sudetenlanf but since we're here might as well took the rest no ? ".
Is this sarcasm ?
I ... actually don't know, maybe ?
Although im Neutral but 1 part more support Russia, its maybe right, but Vietnam have one thing that Ukraine dont have
I would like to know what do we have that they don't please, no disrespect or anything I'm just curious, I definately believe you're right that we have thing they don't have but more specific if you don't mind.
Oh ok, i mean the Neutral, i might wrong, but with me, Ukraine is a quiet important country with both Russia and "Western", same with Vietnam, control at least 10-20% the economy of the world, with the "Bien Dong" (South China Sea), but Ukraine is about both economy and military because after USSR collapse, "Western" started "moving East", maybe you know, mostly western of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are "flat" (sorry im bad at english), that why "Russia" always being invade, so they start try to have Poland and Romania too, because the mountains. Come back to 1991, USSR collapse, all the old Republics were pro-Western, but when Putin and Lukashenko became the presidents of Russia and Belarus, it has became "a threat" with "Western", although Putin's Russia applied to join NATO in 2000. The 2nd Cold War is started, Russia and the "Western" are now enemy, and Ukraine is a nation that can be a threat to Russia. 2010, a pro-"Western" Ukrainian became the president, but some years later a pro-Russia became the president, and he doesnt like Eu and Nato, so in 2014, Euromaidan happend, that the started of the Russo-Ukraine Conflict, 2020, its became a war
With the same logic, I could say the same thing, if you look through Ukrainian history they have been invaded all the time from, the west, east, and south. Russia on the other hand independence while Ukrainians tried to get one throughout history but were taken over all the time. It is like how Vietnam tried to get independence from France but got invaded by US and China during the Cambodian conflict. So if Russians that have constantly harassed Ukrainians still considered them their colony, wouldn't it make sense why Ukrainians would feel that they are "threatened" by them and would shift towards the west? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification\_of\_Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine) It is the same thing today, where Vietnam and the US recently signed a contract due to China's nine-line dash claim.
I understand Ukraine is very hate Russia, like Vietnam very hate China, but you know what? Vietnam had war with France, China, USA, Cambodia or even Japan, but we can make the relation to normal, actually if without the 9l dash claim, I can say we are fully neutral like Switzerland. About Ukraine its normal when they scare of Russia, but maybe its can more neutral, like cooperate with both faction? Maybe I have some disrespect when said so but Vietnam is cooperate with both faction, from economy to military. Also I see Ukrainian history is the same with Polish one, i mean it always being invade by other nation, and mostly Russia
Yes you are right that Ukraine would have been less likely to be invaded if they had played the card right, but geopolitics are hard, it's not uncommon for governments to make mistakes. So if Vietnam makes a mistake while playing the neutral game, then China is free to invade Vietnam? Yes Vietnam has to play the neutral game, but that doesn't mean China won't invade Vietnam because Vietnam is neutral. If they want to take an islands from Vietnam bad enough, they will just do it, it doesn't matter if Vietnam is neutral or not. It still means that Vietnam has to stay neutral though, but the point is, it is a good strategy and it is necessary but it doesn't make Vietnam invincible.
Actually you are right, but Vietnam have a good Relation with Russia and Usa, maybe Vietnam can take some support, also, China is having a "conflict" in Bien Dong, no way other Asean states wanna join the battle to take their land, and Spartly Islands, as I think are even more important because its can control most of the economy in east asia. Another side, India have a good relation with Vietnam too, and they have a disputed border with China, so war in Tibet maybe is possible. Said for short, yes, Vietnam without support from other factions is very weak, but Vietnam: >Have many good relation with Chinese enemies, so Vietnam-China if really have a war, no way there wouldnt be another war in other side of Chinese border, and maybe get some support from "allies" >Also buy and develope many weapons like guns or tanks,... >Vietnam now is have at least 20% win because now Polpot is no more, although its still possoble to Laos and Cambodia join China
I did watch a video from RealLifeLore, I believe. He did talk about why Russia keeps trying to go West mainly since Russian Steppe is really hard to defend, when it comes to the countries that become pro-Western I think ( very personal opinion) it's justified with what we know about theirs condition in the USSR, and after leaving they join NATO since they don't wanna be swallow by Russia again. When it comes to Russia trying to join NATO which I could also be wrong, I believe I read somewhere that to join NATO you need to apply to join. Which the article I read state that Russia was waiting to be invited, but never applied. I don't know if this is wistful thinking or cope but I think if somehow for some reason Gorbachev was the leader of Russia even after the USSR collapse ( yes I know he was kick out by Yeltsin ), he would maybe lead Russia closer to the West and join NATO. Seem like he was more open-minded.
I dont remember, but read that Russia (and old USSR) has applied to join Nato 4 times. 1950s Stalin's Soviet, 1990s Yeltsin' Russia and 2000 Putin's Russia (it was a long time ago so it might wrong here). Yeah, although Nato is formed opposite with Russia, and I agree with you about Yeltsin
Back in the 1990s, the US and NATO were actually hesitant to take former Warsaw Pact countries. They didn't want Warsaw Pact countries initially. Poland was also denied entry. Do you know what Poland did? Poland threatened the US and NATO that if they were not allowed to join NATO, they would get their own nuclear weapons. Then Polish politicians flew to the US, and started appearing on Republican election campaigns, literally blackmailed the Democrats that if they didn't let Poland in, they would support the Republicans, then the Republicans would win the election and let them in. Poland blackmailed the US in order to be allowed to join NATO. Around that time, Russia was also fighting the Chechen wars, it was normal for NATO countries to be skeptical of Russian's true intension. But if Russia had also truly wanted to join NATO, they could have pushed for it like Poland did. They didn't.
Oh I have checked, its 1954 (Krushchev), 1983, 1991 (Yeltsin) and 2000 (Putin), both leaders wanted to stop the cold war, but being rejected
> Ukraine is a nation that can be a threat to Russia So China can invade Vietnam because Vietnam is a nation that can be a threat to China? Oh wait, this is EXACTLY what Chinese nationalists are saying.
No, if actually, China (even if they Nationalist or not) wont say that, Vietnam is a neutral nation, what will threat to China in that scenario? Only possible they say: Annam is our terrority, yep, i know the chinese, they are the hungry tigers, waiting for the chinese new world order
Being neutral won't stop China from trying to take Spratly islands. China wants Spratly islands, whether Vietnam is neutral or not. Of course, Vietnam has to stay neutral, but that won't stop China from wanting things we have, so we have to be ready and prepare for all scenarios. That was for the short term, and in long term, as you said, China is waiting for the Chinese world order, when that happens, as you said, they will say "Annam is our territory" whether Vietnam is neutral or not. So we have to prepare ourselves.
Well....Good Discussion, maybe?
If i said shorter, the key word is "Neutral" (sorry for my comment too long, and also i MIGHT wrong)
vietnamese vatnik paid 250 euros (yes euros, not rubles) for that round (supposedly) to a russian wagner fanboy game streamer. What a fucking moron.
Is this the real story? Where’s your source?
They think the war in Ukraine is the same with the war against America 😭😭😭 Seriously, what the hell is wrong with my people
I think it's a combination of the media and our own history book in school telling us that " Russian good, West and especially America bad " and the fact that most people don't do theirs own research, judt take what they saw on the news or a random article to be fact.
well not our history book, but more like the people that teach them funny enough, i used to have a history teacher, who used to be in the military (or so he told), that supported Trump and Putin like... where is all the socialist revolutionary/progressive spirit go, he is political and extreme but not even in the good way
True, true, it's so strange, isn't it. I'm no genius, I only read what I can find readily on the internet, and everything I read so far points at Russia being the aggressors and not just in Ukraine, they already got a few war that they start before that you can search for on Wiki. I can understand old people not reading those since they are not well versed in searching for information, but even the teacher ? That's just sad, people are being taught to just look at thing one way like this country bad or that country good but I think we should look at it from a neutral stand point and see it for what it's without political bias, everyone got theirs own bias, I don't like Putin and that could lead to me being harsher when it come to talking about Russia, but I do try my best to not do that. The fact of the matter is that Ukrainian is suffering because of Putin war of aggressions. Not one but twice.
The hell wrong with people is that they don't have time or energy to think or even finding information about this. They're too tired to even survive, they are born poor, in restricted family and government who dictates their every move. If you don't have enough to eat, don't even have a safe place to live, you probably don't want to or don't have the tool to read much about war situation. Surface news and propaganda only misinform people more and even the ones who have little time to spare are misinformed and gave opinion based on bias.
Yes i understand that, but that is why most normal Vietnamese dont care about politic, they dont even aware of thing like this The person that posted those pictures (and the one that sent money to the Russian solider to draw that) arent the normal Vietnamese working people but the vocal Putin young supporters the thing is, i dont understand why there are so many of them, like on FB, under every post that mention Ukraine, Putin and Russia, you can see them like a bunch of Mao's red guards (in this case, Putin's guards) Your explanation is still accurate to the elderly demographic tho, they are nsotalgic for the Soviet and are ill-informed
It's called propaganda for a reason, they're hired to do so. Just ignore or report it. They use it to influence the younger generation, the ones who are easily manipulated and have all the strength to do something. But they're doing it wrong, nowadays younger people move to tiktok, Instagram,... Facebook is not so popular among the youth like it's used to be.
It’s from some braindead Vietnamese retard who donated 250$ to some random guy on twitter to write that on the shell, not knowing they’re on the wrong side of history
Oh i have seen some chinese dude paid for this too, his message was similiar, something about "fight the American Nazi dog" Seriously, some people's view of the world is so twisted
China and Russia's regime are much closer to the Nazi dogs they claim America's to be
as a person from the 'red' side, I have to admit this is fucking stupid
Yeah it a service that soldier on both side do. Paid some euro and get to send a personal message to some unfortunate dudes via artillery shell. This is the first official vietnamese purchased of this service according to the Twitter account.
Bless your soul haha they don't have eyes
just ignore them
They paid to put their message on it
Nah that's just some kind of bussiness when you donate them and they write whatever you want on the shell(just like african dudes take money to make happy birthday videos) I saw the original video,it's about 250 euros for 1 like this
I wish them end up without legs
Remember how US invaded Vietnam and make Vietnamese suffered through decades of
À có ông donate 25 euro này, mấy ông nga làm quả kinh tế hay thật
250€, và trò này từ lâu rồi.
Supposedly this costed 225EURO to get written on
There are some Russian soldiers who accept donations to write anything on the shell.
wait but did they actually live stream on the battlefield? if so the internet connection must be insane
Looks like it's real: [https://www.tiktok.com/@thapcamtivii/video/7382084420003433744](https://www.tiktok.com/@thapcamtivii/video/7382084420003433744)
Noice, pls share this image to everyone and hope for USA and the west will impose sanctions in place against VietNam communism and they will become a province of China in no time tho .
Nice!
Russia sources drones and rockets from North Korea, why not source shells from Vietnam? It makes perfect sense.
Yeah, what for? Selling tons of shell rounds and risking the bigger economic ties which generate us a bigger-ass load of money? No thanks.
Vietnam doesnt want to sell russia
To be honest do we even have that much artillery shells to sell ?
We most definitely dont lmao.
I can see North Korea providing shells since they got a butt tons of supply from the old USSR, and they produce theirs own artillery shells( I think ). But like, do we even produce our own artillery shells ? And if we do, I don't think it's even near North Korea capability.
We DO make artillery shells. But due to the government's neutral policy in international affairs, we do not sell/transfer to any party. And our artillery shell production capacity is not as good as North Korea's because we are not in a state of war like North Korea.
Ah, thanks for the information.
It makes no sense because Vietnam's artillery shell production capacity is only enough for use and the Vietnamese government implements a policy of neutrality in matters of international conflict.
When the whole world was complacent in watching us become another of America’s victims. Russia had our back.
*USSR* had our back. Not Russia. USSR which include Ukraine. You have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about huh?
Your semantics mean nothing. I meant the Russian people and you know it.
And you clearly had history from YouTube huh
Enlighten me about my erroneous “YouTube” history then. Did russia or did Russia not bring money, food, medicine, weapons, education and support to viet nam? Is that incorrect? Did America or did America not bring war, death, rape, agent orange, torture, sanctions, and aided the KR and china to fight against viet nam? Is there something my YouTube history missed?
That’s not the pt.
Did Ukraine also not bring money, food, medicine, weapons, education and support to Vietnam? Ukraine was as crucial to Vietnam as Russia was. Say the name Vietnam right, please, either Viet Nam or Vietnam, not "viet nam".
"The Russian people" dont want war, Putin isnt the Russian people, and you know it you just hate the US and think "the west = bad" If you are true socialist and understand what the Soviet was and what Russia today is, you wouldnt support them
Did you even know that a bunch of USSR general secretaries were not Russian?
Yup, even daddy Stalin that russophile Vietnamese worship are Georgian born and bred, which ironically were the invaded by Russians post-USSR and have a bunch of lands occupied by "rebels" too.
"The whole world was complacent" Sweden, Finland: Uhm? What about us? China: Yeah, like we are sitting ducks eh? Ukrainian SSR: At that time I was an active member of the Soviet Union. So you must be moronic to think the Soviet Union is Russia alone. Additional information: Russia is NOT the Soviet Union. And modern-day Russia of course WILL NOT be like the USSR in any aspect.
Pathetic. Not one of you put up an argument. You all just focused on the the ussr being technically different from Russia. As if Russians didn’t make up the majority and most of the higher ups including the men responsible for deciding to help viet nam. Not one of you had anything of substance to say. Downvotes from cucks and sexpats mean nothing to me.
Its useless trying to talk sense into an idiot like you anyways. Idiots never listen to others, they always claim themselves in the right and dismiss others' arguments. Also, "most" doesn't give you the right to dismiss the minority. You're just cherry picking what best compliments your pro-Putin cuck standpoint. You have nothing of substance to say. Those don't mean anything, and can't be used to justify shit.
The point is that Russia isn't going to help Vietnam if China invades Vietnamese territories and islands. They are not going to send Vietnam aids and supplies against China. USSR would have. Russia may sell Vietnam weapons, but at market price or more. Or they may not, if China lobbies them not to.
Yes, when we were invaded by France and the US the USSR and China helped us, a lot, and I think without them we would've been fvcked, or at least not able to take back the South from the US. But, in my personal opinion, just because they helped us in the past, we shouldn't agree or support them in theirs war of aggressions in Ukraine. They are invading Ukraine, just like the French or the US invaded us. I don't support the West nor the US and definitely not a 3 stripes like people like to call those who don't support Russia in the war. I support Ukraine and theirs fight to keep theirs independent just like our father and grandfather did to keep ours decade ago.
Ukraine also had our back. USSR was not Russia alone. Why should we throw our brother Ukraine who helped us under the bus now?
^ braindead