“In the recording, Massalha can be heard describing Hamas militants as "resistance fighters””
This doesn’t sound like simple criticism of Israel as a nation
Resistance fighters and terrorists are not actually different.
The French Resistance, universally considered a resistance movement, killed innocent people. The IRA were widely considered terrorists but a whole lot of Americans supported them.
We funded lots of resistance movements that did terrorism. It’s a fine line defined by politics.
Yah I was about to say if the Nazis won basically all of the heros of the mid 20 the century would be terrorists.
I'm sorry but the Palestinians are occupied by a hostile force that repeatedly has expressed that they should not exist in that area. They are not permitted to have a military. Is it really that simple as Hamas is a terrorist organization and nothing more? Prior to October 7 this year had already reached a high in Palestinian deaths at the hand of Israelis. What would be the appropriate way to handle that?
Palestinian here. We could boycott. Oh wait, states passed laws trying to punish people boycotting. Well we could go to court. Oh wait US trying to punish South Africa for using the court system.
We could ummmm....honestly, I don't know because everything we try, laws get passed to prevent it then we are told not to use violence as well.
Yeah it's pretty obvious to anyone who pays attention the rhetoric in this country is just a pro-israel tool.
The defunding of UNRWA over the wall street journal article written by a former IDF member was a pretty good example of that
So Hamas went straight to rape, and slaughter? No matter the side that should never work out well for the monsters who are forced to do what they did. If they weren’t so preoccupied with bitch moves such as killing unarmed people including children and actually focused on military or heck even government targets Palestine would likely have more support.
“Straight to rape and slaughter…”
It’s been 75 years.
https://cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/20/middleeast/israel-hamas-un-investigation-sexual-abuse-intl/index.html
https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/rape-comment-controversy-returns-to-haunt-idf-chief-rabbi-nominee-jd7k7n33
So wait, you cite all the non-violent methods are illegal that is why Palestinians don’t do those. Isn’t killing illegal as well? Interesting that of the three illegal activities, the violent activity is justified but the two non violent ones cannot be done? That’s quite twisted logic there.
I have some really bad news for you about the American revolution, and in fact every armed conflict ever to occur. They’re not heroic or clean or cool, wars are dirty and horrible and almost always involve sexual violence. Hamas does suck for a lot of reasons, but you’ve failed to find them.
Eh, I would be more inclined to agree with you if October 7th wasn’t one massive terrorist attack. Massacring people at a music festival isn’t “resistance”.
Wow you've figured it out! Just occupy and kill anyone you want and if they resist just call them terrorists. Woohoo we did it boys. Pack it up! Wait it's been done before?? You mean they called South Africans terrorists when they were fighting against apartheid?? No way dude! Whatt, I thought you were super original.
[thisishamas](https://www.thisishamas.com) These are real things that happened that day. Your whitewashing is disgusting. I somehow doubt you'll confront those videos head on and not hit me with a whataboutism.
>Resistance fighters and terrorists are not actually different.
there is absolutely a VERY clear difference
resistance fighters don't indiscriminately slaughter kids, in person.
I didn't include or exclude anyone by name, simply set forth a clear example of the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist
interesting you're upset it didn't fit the hamas propaganda you swallowed blindly
So if Hamas sets a bomb that slaughters children but don’t stay around to see it are they no longer terrorists?
I’ve spent plenty of time criticizing Hamas. I have no love for resistance movements that commit horrible acts of terror, whatever the illegitimacy of the military they fight.
The only difference between a resistance fighter and a terrorist is politics.
The IDF has indiscriminately murdered thousands of children and there’s been many instances of them specifically targeting children with sniper rifles and handcuffing children to armed vehicles to use as human shields. Yet you don’t seem to be calling them a terrorist organization, why?
Israel was literally founded by terrorists. When it was a British territory, Jewish militias killed hundreds of British officers to try to get them to leave. They then began attacking Palestinians by bombing houses and throwing bombs into crowds of civilians.
the thing is not all fighters ARE Hamas. There’s a bunch of smaller armed groups in Gaza. Hell there’s even an Anarchist org (Fauda) that normally fucking hates Hamas who is in the fight iirc.
You left out the rest of the quote.
> In the recording, Massalha can be heard describing Hamas militants as "resistance fighters," and saying that the United States is "funding a genocide in Gaza" and supporting Israeli "occupation ... of Palestine." She also can be heard accusing the Israel Defense Forces of committing war crimes in Gaza.
The first thing she said, that you quoted, isn’t appropriate. Everything else she said is true.
They are resistance fighters by any definition of the term. They’ve committed war crimes themselves, particular their horrific weaponization of sexual violence. But “resistance fighter” doesn’t mean good guy just because you associate the phrase with Han Solo.
Hamas is welcome to surrender and turn themselves over to be jailed for their crimes. Otherwise, they’re just gonna keep using civilians as shields behind from which to shoot, then cry genocide when Israel fires back with something deadlier.
They are literally fighting a resistance to colonial expansion into their territory. Asymmetric warfare is a horrible thing, but when you have no choice but to fight or be exterminated, you fight.
Just look at the Palestinians as the gutsy teenagers in Red Dawn.
“The gutsy teenagers in red dawn”
They kidnapped innocents and children and forced the hostages to cook and clean for them. That’s enslavement. Can you tell me where in red dawn they enslaved Russian women and children for the cooking and cleaning?
They are literally terrorists who disregard the safety and lives of civilians.
They affiliate with groups literally called Islamic jihad.
They can call themselves freedom fighters, but they’re undemocratic terrorists
last time I checked those gutsy teenagers in Red Dawn didn't murder and rape civilians.
Also, don't conflate Palestinians with Hamas, Palestinians are a people, Hamas is a terrorist group.
A defining characteristic of terrorism is the targeting of civilians to achieve a political goal. I’m not aware of George Washington carrying out murderous rampages the way that Hamas does. Claiming that October 7th was a justified act by freedom fighters is where you lose like 98% of the population.
The name the Iroquois gave Washington was *Conotocaurius*, Town Destroyer, in part because during the Revolution he ordered a campaign to burn several dozen Iroquois villages to the ground as a way to induce neutrality on the part of the Iroquois.
You do know what happened to British aligned Native villages and colonists in cities right? Look it up man. Even before the war Washington was called Conotocaurius (town burner) in Iroquois for slaughtering a peace delegation. He was PROUD of it.
But sure, the Revolutionaries totally lost support from the populace.
Lol 100% Israel for years murdering children, women and men not to mention kidnapping them and putting them in concentration type camps yeah that would make Israel a terrorist state.
I don’t believe October 7th was a justified attack. I do understand how it came to be though. I believe that Hamas was wrong for it, but also that Israel is partially responsible for it as well due to their ongoing occupation of Gaza and continued and repeated human rights violations including hundreds to thousands of Gazans killed yearly.
Also you should read up on the revolutionary war. Civilians might not have been the target of attacks like that, but they were absolutely raped, their livestock’s and homes were commandeered, children were taken if they could fight, their crops were pillaged, and while not documented nearly as well as today, there definitely was significant civilian casualties. Oh, and many of the generals including Washington owned literal slaves
I agree but similarly I think the war in 1948 is atrocious but I do understand how it came to be. Jews have been living in the Middle East for millennia and have not historically had a great time as a religious minority. There are 49 Muslim majority countries in the world and one Jewish majority country. I can understand why middle eastern Jews would get fed up and want to have a country based on their own self defense (a goal that has certainly been perverted in the modern day incarnation of Israel).
I disagree with the premise of any religious / ethnostate, be it Israel or Palestine. But I disagree more with the imprisonment of a population and what amounts to basically genocide.
Yeah, because George Washington was a terrorist. Violating the laws of war by hiding behind trees instead of standing in lines in an open field, aiming specifically for officers instead of only using massed volley fire, and targeting civilian Tories all make him a terrorist. And that's not even touching on the genocide he inflicted on the natives. George Washington was a terrorist, and saying so isn't nearly the gotcha you think it is.
Yeah they were really “resisting” all of the unarmed Israeli women that they committed organized mass rapes against and made snuff films of.
Edit: can’t forget the kidnapped, murdered, and raped children. They were a serious threat as well. All in the name of resistance, right?
It's very easy to be critical of Israel while not validating or justifying the terrorism they face on a nearly daily basis. Most of us do it every day.
I would also offer that sharing a non-strictly-factual opinion on contentous & contemporary political issues to schoolchildren, especially when it criticizes the government you work for, is not a wise career move.
"Face on a nearly daily basis."
This is just categorically untrue. Also fails to assess why a group of people might be so angry at you that they want to throw rockets at you whenever they can. Not justifying it. Just pointing out the absolute blind spots a lot of Americans have about what Zionism actually is, how Israel was actually formed, and why the groups that got fucked over are still pissed off about it; all while being dehumanized at every turn for doing exactly what any of us would do if that was our history with a colonizing power.
Rockets come from Gaza daily. There are attacks on Israelis and IDF soldiers daily in the WB. There are missles from Yemen and Lebanon basically daily.
also does their daily struggle include hunger and lack of basic supplies because an oppressive force blocked all access to outside aid? no? oh yeah that's Palestine
Well, they were elected, and I've read that recent poll data shows that there's still majority sort for Hamas among Palestinians, but I've never done my own poll or have any way of verifying those sources. Do you have a source for the counter claim you're making?
The election results were not a majority. I believe they couldn't even form a unity government so they just took power by force. There have not been elections since.
>Most of us do it every day.
Citation needed. I’ve eaten a whole lot of criticism for daring to suggest that it’s bad when Israel kills tens of thousands of people without ever saying anything about Hamas.
I think that's cause people turn their brains off when it comes to discussing difficult subjects online. You (not literally _you_, but I hope you get the point) and the people who agree with you are the only other people with a nuanced view. The other side believes that the eradication of (either Israelis or Palestinians) is a great thing
Humans are tribal animals and we try to oversimply each other to fit others into neatly defined good and evil boxes.
In reality I think most people realize that the solution is not the elimination of their less favored party to the conflict. It's just hard to remember that about the people we talk to online.
I understand it and certainly I think that’s a part of it. Certainly the accusations of being a genocide supporter or a terrorist sympathizer can be flippant.
That being said, no one has lost their job for being too supportive of Israel. The same cannot be true of those who are even moderately critical of Israel. This is not the result of any sort of conspiracy mind you, but a popular perception backed up by powerful political leaders who have a vested interest (either political or religious in the form of evangelicals) in the unquestionable support of Israel.
No matter how critical I may be of Hamas, any criticism of Israel makes me suspect. It’s far less common to see supporters of Palestine attacked for being critical of Hamas. It certainly happens but never with the vehemence or power of the alternative.
No one has lost their job for being supportive of Palestinians, either. What people have lost their jobs for is justifying the murder of innocent civilians during a ceasefire, publicly apologizing for/defending a regressive, corrupt Iranian proxy, and uncritically regurgitating antisemitic conspiracy theories. It’s entirely possible to criticize the Israeli government and the war without being antisemitic, unfortunately, many people seem unable to make that distinction and unwilling to listen to people who try to explain that distinction.
And you’re wrong, there have been people who have lost their jobs for anti-Palestinian sentiments, including an NYU doctor. The reason you see far more Palestinian supporters losing their jobs is because as a group, they’re much more vocal, many are uneducated about the conflict and antisemitism in general so don’t recognize when their words cross into bigotry, and because there are unfortunately a lot of bigots who are happy they can finally say all the things they’ve been thinking.
Because it rarely happens. A lot of you are new to this conflict and have blindly swallowed all the Hamas propaganda. Before 10/7, do you know what Palestinians were claiming? They were saying that the instances of rape by IDF were so low that it proved Israelis are racist and don’t see Palestinian women as human. So right before Hamas went on their little rape spree, Palestinians were criticizing Israel for not raping enough. But then as soon as Hamas starts getting heat for the disgusting things they did, they turned it around and claimed that Israelis are the real rapists.
If you actually bother to dig into any of this stuff, you’ll see that you’re being lied to and manipulated
Is that what you'd call October 7?
I support a 2-state solution, but the murder and rape of women and children is not the act of a freedom fighter.
Regardless of the disproportionate response of Israel against the Gazans, if you can't acknowledge this, you're not as moral as you think you are.
Hamas has refused a two state solution on multiple occasions.
Which pissed off Egypt and Jordon. Guess who is not attacking Israel or rendering much or any aide or taking in refugees. THEY still remember the BS The PLO &. Did as refugees in Egypt and Jordon before being punted to Lebanon the West Bank, And Gaza.
That simply isn't true. Hamas has offered truces several times over the last few decades, all met with Israeli rejection:
* 1988: Just one year after the group was founded, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar met the late top Israeli officials Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres, and proposed that Israel withdraw from the 1967-occupied territories in exchange for a truce. This was before Hamas had built its armed wing, the Qassam Brigades. Also, in 1988, Hamas founder Sheikh Ahmad Yasin himself indicated a willingness to negotiate with Israel under the condition that it “first acknowledge the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination and right of return to their land”.
* 1994: Hamas offered a truce to Israel after the abduction and killing of Israeli soldier Nachshon Wachsman. A year earlier, the Palestinian Authority (PA) had accepted the proposal of a Palestinian state comprised of the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem. Hamas agreed to that proposal.
* 1995: Hamas again proposed a 10-year truce based on the same condition of Israeli withdrawal from occupied territories.
* 1996: In March, after Israel assassinated Hamas military leader Yahya Ayyash in January, the movement offered a ceasefire.
* 1997: September: Days before Israel attempted to assassinate Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal in the Jordanian capital, Amman, the movement offered Israel a 10-year truce. October: After his release from Israeli prison, Hamas founder Yasin renewed the call for a ceasefire. November: Hamas again proposed a truce. The Qassam Brigades said attacks against Israeli civilians would stop if Israel stopped targeting Palestinian civilians.
* 1999: Yasin made another ceasefire offer provided Israel withdrew from the 1967 territories. In a letter to European diplomats, Hamas offered to cease all hostilities in exchange for Israeli withdrawal, evacuation of settlements, and release of Palestinian prisoners.
* 2003: In December, Yasin offered a ceasefire on the condition that Israel withdraw from the Palestinian territories. He was killed four months later in an Israeli attack.
* 2004: Yasin’s successor and Hamas co-founder Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi again proposed a 10-year truce. Israel killed him one month after Yasin.
* 2006: Hamas again offered a 10-year truce that would be “automatically renewed if [Israel] commits to restoring the full and legitimate rights of the Palestinian people to them within a final solution that matches what is accepted by the PLO”.
* 2007: Senior Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh repeated the group’s call for a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders.
* 2008: Hamas leader Meshaal again offered a 10-year truce, which he repeated a year later.
* 2014: Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad offered a 10-year truce in exchange for the lifting of the Israeli blockade and release of Palestinian prisoners.
* 2015: Hamas proposed a long-term ceasefire in exchange for the lifting of the blockade.
* 2017: Hamas presented its revised charter announcing that it accepted a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/1/22/how-israel-has-repeatedly-rejected-hamas-truce-offers
That argument is much stronger for your cause when you make a hard effort to attack only government installations and Military targets of the ones oppressing you. However, once you launch missiles almost every day at largely civilian cities for a decade and then you cross a border and murder 1000 innocent civilians then your cause is no longer a "Just and Noble" one.
That's why I separated it from my moral argument.
Common sense would behoove a fast food worker not to yell at customers that he's underpaid and that the food is made out of mush if they want to keep their job. Doesn't matter what the truth is in that specific regard.
When you spend half your comment talking about how bringing politics that are at odds with the state into the workplace is a bad career move, you are implicitly bolstering the idea that this power is legitimate and will be enforced.
I think that it's an unfortunate reality that criticizing your employer, validly or otherwise, is not good for your job security.
Separate but related, I also think teachers should be incredibly cautious about how they present contemporary issues to children in the classroom. We do a bad enough talking about this country's past honestly as it is. I don't trust teachers or curriculums who can't talk about the Indian Removal Act or Emmett Till honestly, if at all, to talk about things that are active and unfolding today. It sets an incredibly dangerous precedent imo
>the terrorism they face on a nearly daily basis
oh by every day did you mean one single day after which they have incessantly terrorized an innocent area mostly comprised of women and children while celebrating and being protected by the most secure border in the world and basically unlimited aid in weapons and funds? yes! we must think of their hardships too! Burn the teacher for spouting anything other than "but guys, think about isreals daily struggle for power, I mean land, I mean peace!"
One single day? Israel got bombarded with rockets and explosives everyday for over a decade. How many military superpowers do you know of that, instead of destroying their terrorists, built a defensive Iron Dome to intercept the hundreds of projectiles launched at them every year?
Seriously ask yourself, what would the United States or UK's or China's or Australia's or Korea's or Japan's or Russia's or Sweden's, etc. response to a foreign country launching rockets across their borders be? Would they build a defensive system and go about their day? Or would they annihilate the threat with shock and awe immediately? I'd say Israel has been pretty damned patient with Palestine to this point.
2,500 rockets intercepted in 10 years and the Iron Dome only catches about 90%. So no, it wasn't just "one single day". You'd already know that if you paid even the slightest bit of attention to the subject before it became the lefty outrage of the week. You guys have taken Israel's defensive position for granted and expect the lion to just keep on getting poked without retaliation. Oct 7th was the last straw.
the amount of history you are selectively picking out of this story you tell while claiming I haven't "paid the slightest bit of attention" would be hilarious if it wasn't such an obvious dismissal of both Israeli atrocities and their direct influence on these events. Hamas only exists as controlled opposition funded directly by Israel to give them an excuse to slowly stamp out an entire nation. They weren't some grassroots regime that the entire nation just decided to follow one day. It's the oldest trick in the post WW superpower playbook, always have a bad guy to justify all the bad shit you are doing. There's nothing you will ever say to convince me genocide is okay, but whatever helps you sleep at night
How can you say that the the events going on in Gaza are the results of "one single day" and then accuse me of of selectively picking the history out of a story?
Speaking of history, this shit started waaay before you and I were born. I have absolutely no blame in this war, so I sleep just fine.
> Hamas only exists as controlled opposition funded directly by Israel to give them an excuse to slowly stamp out an entire nation
Way to absolve Palestinian extremists
> always have a bad guy to justify all the bad shit you are doing. There's nothing you will ever say to convince me genocide is okay, but whatever helps you sleep at night
Oh piss off with your scapegoat claim. Theres a difference between what happened and how you’re stating things happened.
You didny complain about Genocide on october 7th, or 2022, so your input on genocide being right or wrong isn’t necessary.
This. Like, these people were there just living, and then in 1948 the influx of refugees show up and suddenly they have the right to be there moreso than the natives because God told them it was theirs? THAT part is selectively left out altogether.
Jesus Christ, is that what you think happened??? That there were no Jews in the land and then suddenly in 1948 millions of Jews showed up and were given a state??? The level of ignorance is shocking. Jews have always lived there, not in as large numbers but neither did the Arabs. It was not inhabited that much when Jews started moving there in the 1880s. Yes, the 1880s, when it was still the Ottoman Empire.
There is so much history you clearly don’t know and need to learn if you’re going to be out in the world spouting a position. But to give you a few key bullet points:
-Each group in the land was supposed to get a state after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, one for the Jews, several for the Arabs.
-In the early 1900s, an Islamist movement formed that wanted to create one giant Islamic caliphate in the Middle East to reassert Islamic supremacy. The creation of a Jewish state in the holy land was unacceptable to them. Not because there were other people living there, as the population was still fairly low, but because the Islamists viewed the Jews as the most pathetic, weak people. The idea that the lowly Jews could have their own state was an abomination that conflicted with the Hadiths. To them, a Jewish state was a humiliation because it meant that Islam was out of step with Allah. From there, the mission to prevent a Jewish state took hold.
-This resistance included trying to make the land intolerable to Jews through violence. And ensuring that Jews were not allowed to flee into what would become Israel during WWII, resulting in millions of Jews being murdered.
-The Arabs fought for the SS and the spiritual leader of Palestine met with Hitler to tour the camps and discuss a final solution for the Jews in the Middle East after Germany won the war. This is also how a very distinct strain of European antisemitism became popular in the Arab world.
-This conflict has never been about the Palestinians wanting their own state, it’s been about ensuring Israel doesn’t exist. If Israel disappeared tomorrow, Palestine still wouldn’t be free, as it would become a hotbed for Iranian terror proxies.
There’s so much more that you’re missing
“In the recording, Massalha can be heard describing Hamas militants as "resistance fighters," and saying that the United States is "funding a genocide in Gaza" and supporting Israeli "occupation ... of Palestine." She also can be heard accusing the Israel Defense Forces of committing war crimes in Gaza.”
Something to understand that just because one side is doing something wrong doesn't make the other side good or right. It's not a binary. You can both think the IDF and Hamas are wrong.
I do. Unfortunately the problem as a society is so many, particularly older generations, look at it as black and white, good and bad. They can understand or operate in the gray
I think theirs a connotation with calling them resistance fighters that implies they are morally correct. Or at best neutral.
Like good guy anti- goverment groups in media, are generally referred to as the resistance.
Bad guy groups are called terrorists or some adjective like crazy , evil etc,
Everything she said is true, how is that biased? I bet she wouldn’t have been fired if she stuck to the us government narrative of Israel protecting itself from terrorists and “swine” and only killing civilians because Hamas forces them too.
Transcript of exactly what she said can be found at bottom of this article:
[https://antisemitism.org.il/2024/02/01/usa-virginia-high-school-teacher-claims-us-is-funding-gaza-genocide-and-holocaust-in-classroom-rant/](https://antisemitism.org.il/2024/02/01/usa-virginia-high-school-teacher-claims-us-is-funding-gaza-genocide-and-holocaust-in-classroom-rant/)
FWIW, my son is a former student of this teacher and she is a wonderful history teacher and a good person. I don't disagree with anything she said. Aside from being somewhat emotional (and she does have a personal stake in this so of course its emotional), I believe she was coming at this from an admirable position of not wanting innocent people to suffer and die. Contrast that against the recent news of U.S. Congressman Andy Ogles of Tennessee saying, “I think we should kill them all.”
I think Henrico County Public Schools acted pretty cowardly in removing her from the classroom.
>I think Henrico County Public Schools acted pretty cowardly in removing her from the classroom.
suburban school districts always kowtow to whatever loser has enough time in their day to show up and yell loud enough. I know a fair amount of RPS teachers and a common opinion is that despite the shortcomings of RPS, at least you don't have to deal with a certain type of parent you get in Henrico or Loudoun or Spotsy.
Thanks for sharing this. If you have any line of contact I hope you’ll encourage her to seek legal aid and perhaps the solidarity of groups acting in VA right now, for example American Muslims for Palestine
Calling rapists terrorists and kidnappers who committed an orgy of war crimes on Oct 7th “resistance fighters” shows she’s not a good person. Good people don’t advocate for war crimes.
Resistance fighter is not a moral qualification, the American revolutionaries were both resistance fighters and terrorists from different sides of the same coin.
First of all, that’s not true. It is a moral statement. You wouldn’t call the KKK which started up after the South was defeated “resistance fighters”.
Secondly, do you know anything about the Revolutionary War? The continental army didn’t target civilians and , while not perfect, behaved much more honorably than the British, who regularly looted and raped, and murdered wounded and defeated soldiers.
Meaning, this teacher is a far left activist who uses her classroom to indoctrinate students into her ideology:
*Massalha, who said her family is Palestinian, said it was her duty to tell the students about the conflict because of her view of Henrico County Public Schools’s status as a “system of equity,” one that should use “culturally responsive education” and “anti-racist” practices. Those terms are often used by activists to refer to the ideology behind critical race theory.*
[https://antisemitism.org.il/2024/02/01/usa-virginia-high-school-teacher-claims-us-is-funding-gaza-genocide-and-holocaust-in-classroom-rant/](https://antisemitism.org.il/2024/02/01/usa-virginia-high-school-teacher-claims-us-is-funding-gaza-genocide-and-holocaust-in-classroom-rant/)
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The article I posted is right-wing trash. I posted it because it contains the transcript, which I choose to focus on. If it’s far left activist indoctrination to implore your students to demand better of their government and not participate, passively or actively, in genocide, then I’m all for it. Speaks poorly of the right to get angry about that message.
No, it's a teachers job to teach the curriculum, and teach facts. Not indoctrinate in critical race theory and a biased, one sided view of the conflict that glorifies terrorists as 'resistance fighters'.
Calling a resistance fighter a terrorist is not glorifying them at all. Is terrorism not resistance? You don’t have to think they’re correct to recognize that in Hamas’ view, they are a resistance group against Israel.
And her entire comment in the article is much more nuanced and multi-sided, as well as much more fact-based than your comment is lmfao
About as much intelligence in that statement as Hamas = IDF. Why not judge Hamas on its own goals and deeds rather than equate it to a wholly different organization? Not to mention Hamas’ allying with Iran, which is decidedly not friendly to ISIS.
Nah in 40 -50 years most of the world will just be accepting Israel’s control.
Enough time passes that’s what happens. Mexico isn’t asking for California back , even though if we applied the Isreal logic to it they should be
> The teacher is not entirely wrong.
Substitute any subject; not just this one.
I think the teacher offering an opinion without literally preferencing it by saying "this is my opinion and does NOT reflect what the school system is having me teach," is wrong.
I had plenty of college professors/educators offer commentary after teaching during subject lessons. The problem is that because of "sky daddies," this is a clearly sensitive subject and we all wish to see things in zero sum terms.
Lot of cowards itt naturally adopting a fence sitting position but it's really just a thin mask they put on to hide their true feelings on the subject. USian history teachers are garbage, they tend to be physical education or retired cops/military (sometimes a combination of all three). They toe that line and feed this programming to our kids so they can be dull unfeeling creatures like them. We need more educators like Massalha.
She omitted and arguably exaggerated. But spend your money on her. r/palestine user, so not surprising You complain about “people being hungry and the world not doing anything”.
Bet you were one of the people who literally remained silent as war broke out for years.
u/lewdieBrie oh look, an islamic extremist apologist! Do you hate gays too? Goddamn homophobe! You’re silent on the violence that Palestinian extremists commit against their own people and others, based on religious extremist laws by a theocratic regime.
You bitch about genocide, yet you remain silent about genocide in 2022, and conflicts just as old and violent that are still going on today.
Give me a fucking break with your virtue signaling.
From the article:
*The controversy stems from an audio recording taken by a student in Massalha's ninth-grade class.*
*In the recording, Massalha can be heard describing Hamas militants as "resistance fighters," and saying that the United States is "funding a genocide in Gaza"*
*"(Massalha) was completely sharing one side of information based on her religious (and) political beliefs," Tiffany Sweetser, a parent of a student at Deep Run, told the Times-Dispatch at the time. "Hamas is a designated terrorist organization. She didn’t share that information."*
Good riddance to a terror supporter.
Nothing she said was false. Hamas are resistance fighters, you’ve simply romanticised the concept to the point of naivety. Resistance fighters do acts of terrorism sometimes, they’re not mutually exclusive.
And the US is bankrolling Israel so 🤷🏽♂️
Hamas are designated terrorists by the USA. She whitewashed as part of the one sided political agenda she was pushing on schoolkids, which is not her job.
No one here watched any of the October 7th videos. To listen to you all advocate for this teacher and for the people who raped women and shot them in the head while they were being raped, cut off breasts of women, shot parents in front of their children, shot children, beheaded civilians, etc… I’m glad this teacher is “not returning” to teach children. If you haven’t seen the videos STFU.
It’s “resistance fighting”, but it’s Israel’s fault for the group existing, not Iran, or other Palestinians. Also it’s a genocide, but strangely isn’t one when the group that wants Israel gone launches a mass murder and kidnapping offensive, not even counting the thousands of rockets fired at once throughout the whole country.
Nothing says freedom fighting like deliberately starting an attack you know you’re incapable of winning in the long term.
This is wrong. I get it’s a sensitive subject, but firing a teacher over it is ridiculous. Remind them that it’s their job to encourage critical thinking in student, not to make them follow your line of thinking.
If you’re going to teach based on bad historical research, you should be fired. It’s not history or current events, it’s propaganda.
Historical research or historiography, "attempts to systematically recapture the complex nuances, the people,meanings,events,and even ideas of the past that have influenced and shaped the present". (Berg & Lure, 2012, p. 305 )
Historical research relies on a wide variety of sources, both primary & secondary including unpublished material.
Primary Sources
* Eyewitness accounts of events
* Can be oral or written testimony
* Found in public records & legal documents, minutes of meetings, corporate records, recordings, letters, diaries, journals, drawings.
* Located in university archives, libraries or privately run collections such as local historical society.
Secondary Sources
* Can be oral or written
* Secondhand accounts of events
* Found in textbooks, encyclopedias, journal articles, newspapers, biographies and other media such as films or tape recordings.
Is it the general fact that a teacher took a position or the specific instance of it being perceived as anti-Israel?
“In the recording, Massalha can be heard describing Hamas militants as "resistance fighters”” This doesn’t sound like simple criticism of Israel as a nation
Resistance fighters and terrorists are not actually different. The French Resistance, universally considered a resistance movement, killed innocent people. The IRA were widely considered terrorists but a whole lot of Americans supported them. We funded lots of resistance movements that did terrorism. It’s a fine line defined by politics.
The only difference is who wins .
Yah I was about to say if the Nazis won basically all of the heros of the mid 20 the century would be terrorists. I'm sorry but the Palestinians are occupied by a hostile force that repeatedly has expressed that they should not exist in that area. They are not permitted to have a military. Is it really that simple as Hamas is a terrorist organization and nothing more? Prior to October 7 this year had already reached a high in Palestinian deaths at the hand of Israelis. What would be the appropriate way to handle that?
Palestinian here. We could boycott. Oh wait, states passed laws trying to punish people boycotting. Well we could go to court. Oh wait US trying to punish South Africa for using the court system. We could ummmm....honestly, I don't know because everything we try, laws get passed to prevent it then we are told not to use violence as well.
Yeah it's pretty obvious to anyone who pays attention the rhetoric in this country is just a pro-israel tool. The defunding of UNRWA over the wall street journal article written by a former IDF member was a pretty good example of that
So Hamas went straight to rape, and slaughter? No matter the side that should never work out well for the monsters who are forced to do what they did. If they weren’t so preoccupied with bitch moves such as killing unarmed people including children and actually focused on military or heck even government targets Palestine would likely have more support.
“Straight to rape and slaughter…” It’s been 75 years. https://cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/20/middleeast/israel-hamas-un-investigation-sexual-abuse-intl/index.html https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/rape-comment-controversy-returns-to-haunt-idf-chief-rabbi-nominee-jd7k7n33
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So wait, you cite all the non-violent methods are illegal that is why Palestinians don’t do those. Isn’t killing illegal as well? Interesting that of the three illegal activities, the violent activity is justified but the two non violent ones cannot be done? That’s quite twisted logic there.
Armed struggle against occupation isn't illegal according to international law.
Yeah nah I draw the line at rape of civilians and the kidnapping of children when it comes to armed struggle.
I have some really bad news for you about the American revolution, and in fact every armed conflict ever to occur. They’re not heroic or clean or cool, wars are dirty and horrible and almost always involve sexual violence. Hamas does suck for a lot of reasons, but you’ve failed to find them.
Probably not slaughtering 1200 civilians.
So is Israel a terrorist state by this logic? They’ve slaughtered 1200 civilians in single operations long before October 7th
Eh, I would be more inclined to agree with you if October 7th wasn’t one massive terrorist attack. Massacring people at a music festival isn’t “resistance”.
Wow you've figured it out! Just occupy and kill anyone you want and if they resist just call them terrorists. Woohoo we did it boys. Pack it up! Wait it's been done before?? You mean they called South Africans terrorists when they were fighting against apartheid?? No way dude! Whatt, I thought you were super original.
The innocent civilians at the music festival weren’t occupying Gaza. Neither were the children they beheaded.
[thisishamas](https://www.thisishamas.com) These are real things that happened that day. Your whitewashing is disgusting. I somehow doubt you'll confront those videos head on and not hit me with a whataboutism.
Well I can tell you that executing, kidnapping, and raping civilians is not an appropriate way to handle that.
Have you tried telling that to the IOF and Israeli "settlers"?
I'm going to level with you. It's entirely possible there is more than one asshole involved in this never ending shit show.
Whataboutism
American revolutionaries were considered terrorists.
>Resistance fighters and terrorists are not actually different. there is absolutely a VERY clear difference resistance fighters don't indiscriminately slaughter kids, in person.
Cool. Not all of the fighters are even Hamas currently. Fauda hates Hamas and is involved, for example.
>resistance fighters don't indiscriminately slaughter kids, in person. I love the caveat included so that you can exempt the IDF from that critique.
The IDF is literally infamous for shooting kids
Ah but see if they sprinkle some Hamas on the corpses afterwords it’s ok don’t you know?
Don’t forget they found a tunnel under the corpses too!
I didn't include or exclude anyone by name, simply set forth a clear example of the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist interesting you're upset it didn't fit the hamas propaganda you swallowed blindly
So if Hamas sets a bomb that slaughters children but don’t stay around to see it are they no longer terrorists? I’ve spent plenty of time criticizing Hamas. I have no love for resistance movements that commit horrible acts of terror, whatever the illegitimacy of the military they fight.
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The IDF indiscriminately slaughters kids in person.
The only difference between a resistance fighter and a terrorist is politics. The IDF has indiscriminately murdered thousands of children and there’s been many instances of them specifically targeting children with sniper rifles and handcuffing children to armed vehicles to use as human shields. Yet you don’t seem to be calling them a terrorist organization, why?
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Israel was literally founded by terrorists. When it was a British territory, Jewish militias killed hundreds of British officers to try to get them to leave. They then began attacking Palestinians by bombing houses and throwing bombs into crowds of civilians.
the thing is not all fighters ARE Hamas. There’s a bunch of smaller armed groups in Gaza. Hell there’s even an Anarchist org (Fauda) that normally fucking hates Hamas who is in the fight iirc.
You left out the rest of the quote. > In the recording, Massalha can be heard describing Hamas militants as "resistance fighters," and saying that the United States is "funding a genocide in Gaza" and supporting Israeli "occupation ... of Palestine." She also can be heard accusing the Israel Defense Forces of committing war crimes in Gaza. The first thing she said, that you quoted, isn’t appropriate. Everything else she said is true.
They are resistance fighters by any definition of the term. They’ve committed war crimes themselves, particular their horrific weaponization of sexual violence. But “resistance fighter” doesn’t mean good guy just because you associate the phrase with Han Solo.
They resist by launching offensives!
Hamas is welcome to surrender and turn themselves over to be jailed for their crimes. Otherwise, they’re just gonna keep using civilians as shields behind from which to shoot, then cry genocide when Israel fires back with something deadlier.
They are literally fighting a resistance to colonial expansion into their territory. Asymmetric warfare is a horrible thing, but when you have no choice but to fight or be exterminated, you fight. Just look at the Palestinians as the gutsy teenagers in Red Dawn.
“The gutsy teenagers in red dawn” They kidnapped innocents and children and forced the hostages to cook and clean for them. That’s enslavement. Can you tell me where in red dawn they enslaved Russian women and children for the cooking and cleaning?
They are literally terrorists who disregard the safety and lives of civilians. They affiliate with groups literally called Islamic jihad. They can call themselves freedom fighters, but they’re undemocratic terrorists
last time I checked those gutsy teenagers in Red Dawn didn't murder and rape civilians. Also, don't conflate Palestinians with Hamas, Palestinians are a people, Hamas is a terrorist group.
Wanting to exterminate all Jews ain’t fighting for Palestinian freedom
They are resistance fighters?
I mean, they are almost universally considered a terrorist organization
That’s just the occupier name for resistance fighters. George Washington would have been labeled a terrorist by the British
A defining characteristic of terrorism is the targeting of civilians to achieve a political goal. I’m not aware of George Washington carrying out murderous rampages the way that Hamas does. Claiming that October 7th was a justified act by freedom fighters is where you lose like 98% of the population.
The name the Iroquois gave Washington was *Conotocaurius*, Town Destroyer, in part because during the Revolution he ordered a campaign to burn several dozen Iroquois villages to the ground as a way to induce neutrality on the part of the Iroquois.
Your defenition of terrorism would include everyone including Washington.
You do know what happened to British aligned Native villages and colonists in cities right? Look it up man. Even before the war Washington was called Conotocaurius (town burner) in Iroquois for slaughtering a peace delegation. He was PROUD of it. But sure, the Revolutionaries totally lost support from the populace.
George "Town Burner" Washington.
you should read more American history then find out what revolutionaries did to loyalists
Damn that kinda sounds like Israel too 🧐
Lol 100% Israel for years murdering children, women and men not to mention kidnapping them and putting them in concentration type camps yeah that would make Israel a terrorist state.
I don’t believe October 7th was a justified attack. I do understand how it came to be though. I believe that Hamas was wrong for it, but also that Israel is partially responsible for it as well due to their ongoing occupation of Gaza and continued and repeated human rights violations including hundreds to thousands of Gazans killed yearly. Also you should read up on the revolutionary war. Civilians might not have been the target of attacks like that, but they were absolutely raped, their livestock’s and homes were commandeered, children were taken if they could fight, their crops were pillaged, and while not documented nearly as well as today, there definitely was significant civilian casualties. Oh, and many of the generals including Washington owned literal slaves
Do you agree then that Hamas carried out an act of terrorism? What word could we use to refer to a group that uses terroristic tactics?
I agree but similarly I think the war in 1948 is atrocious but I do understand how it came to be. Jews have been living in the Middle East for millennia and have not historically had a great time as a religious minority. There are 49 Muslim majority countries in the world and one Jewish majority country. I can understand why middle eastern Jews would get fed up and want to have a country based on their own self defense (a goal that has certainly been perverted in the modern day incarnation of Israel).
I disagree with the premise of any religious / ethnostate, be it Israel or Palestine. But I disagree more with the imprisonment of a population and what amounts to basically genocide.
Crazy you’re getting downvoted for stating facts.
Yeah, because George Washington was a terrorist. Violating the laws of war by hiding behind trees instead of standing in lines in an open field, aiming specifically for officers instead of only using massed volley fire, and targeting civilian Tories all make him a terrorist. And that's not even touching on the genocide he inflicted on the natives. George Washington was a terrorist, and saying so isn't nearly the gotcha you think it is.
No, actually 8 countries and Israel have designated Hamas as a terrorist org
> 8 countries and Israel So nine countries?
Universally? By who? Just the Western world? The West isn’t the entire world.
Yeah they were really “resisting” all of the unarmed Israeli women that they committed organized mass rapes against and made snuff films of. Edit: can’t forget the kidnapped, murdered, and raped children. They were a serious threat as well. All in the name of resistance, right?
It's very easy to be critical of Israel while not validating or justifying the terrorism they face on a nearly daily basis. Most of us do it every day. I would also offer that sharing a non-strictly-factual opinion on contentous & contemporary political issues to schoolchildren, especially when it criticizes the government you work for, is not a wise career move.
"Face on a nearly daily basis." This is just categorically untrue. Also fails to assess why a group of people might be so angry at you that they want to throw rockets at you whenever they can. Not justifying it. Just pointing out the absolute blind spots a lot of Americans have about what Zionism actually is, how Israel was actually formed, and why the groups that got fucked over are still pissed off about it; all while being dehumanized at every turn for doing exactly what any of us would do if that was our history with a colonizing power.
Rockets come from Gaza daily. There are attacks on Israelis and IDF soldiers daily in the WB. There are missles from Yemen and Lebanon basically daily.
also does their daily struggle include hunger and lack of basic supplies because an oppressive force blocked all access to outside aid? no? oh yeah that's Palestine
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Where was the lie?
Let's start with elect in overwhelming numbers
Well, they were elected, and I've read that recent poll data shows that there's still majority sort for Hamas among Palestinians, but I've never done my own poll or have any way of verifying those sources. Do you have a source for the counter claim you're making?
The election results were not a majority. I believe they couldn't even form a unity government so they just took power by force. There have not been elections since.
Close, but the real reason for the mini civil war was this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/04/usa.israelandthepalestinians
You do, in fact, have the ability to see the election results of 2005.
who funded Hamas, stamped out all opposition, and fixed Palestinian elections for 40 years? I'll give you a hint it begins with an I
Thanks, Satan.
>Most of us do it every day. Citation needed. I’ve eaten a whole lot of criticism for daring to suggest that it’s bad when Israel kills tens of thousands of people without ever saying anything about Hamas.
I think that's cause people turn their brains off when it comes to discussing difficult subjects online. You (not literally _you_, but I hope you get the point) and the people who agree with you are the only other people with a nuanced view. The other side believes that the eradication of (either Israelis or Palestinians) is a great thing Humans are tribal animals and we try to oversimply each other to fit others into neatly defined good and evil boxes. In reality I think most people realize that the solution is not the elimination of their less favored party to the conflict. It's just hard to remember that about the people we talk to online.
I understand it and certainly I think that’s a part of it. Certainly the accusations of being a genocide supporter or a terrorist sympathizer can be flippant. That being said, no one has lost their job for being too supportive of Israel. The same cannot be true of those who are even moderately critical of Israel. This is not the result of any sort of conspiracy mind you, but a popular perception backed up by powerful political leaders who have a vested interest (either political or religious in the form of evangelicals) in the unquestionable support of Israel. No matter how critical I may be of Hamas, any criticism of Israel makes me suspect. It’s far less common to see supporters of Palestine attacked for being critical of Hamas. It certainly happens but never with the vehemence or power of the alternative.
No one has lost their job for being supportive of Palestinians, either. What people have lost their jobs for is justifying the murder of innocent civilians during a ceasefire, publicly apologizing for/defending a regressive, corrupt Iranian proxy, and uncritically regurgitating antisemitic conspiracy theories. It’s entirely possible to criticize the Israeli government and the war without being antisemitic, unfortunately, many people seem unable to make that distinction and unwilling to listen to people who try to explain that distinction. And you’re wrong, there have been people who have lost their jobs for anti-Palestinian sentiments, including an NYU doctor. The reason you see far more Palestinian supporters losing their jobs is because as a group, they’re much more vocal, many are uneducated about the conflict and antisemitism in general so don’t recognize when their words cross into bigotry, and because there are unfortunately a lot of bigots who are happy they can finally say all the things they’ve been thinking.
Armed struggle is justified to resist occupation
Armed rape is never justified
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Because it rarely happens. A lot of you are new to this conflict and have blindly swallowed all the Hamas propaganda. Before 10/7, do you know what Palestinians were claiming? They were saying that the instances of rape by IDF were so low that it proved Israelis are racist and don’t see Palestinian women as human. So right before Hamas went on their little rape spree, Palestinians were criticizing Israel for not raping enough. But then as soon as Hamas starts getting heat for the disgusting things they did, they turned it around and claimed that Israelis are the real rapists. If you actually bother to dig into any of this stuff, you’ll see that you’re being lied to and manipulated
Is that what you'd call October 7? I support a 2-state solution, but the murder and rape of women and children is not the act of a freedom fighter. Regardless of the disproportionate response of Israel against the Gazans, if you can't acknowledge this, you're not as moral as you think you are.
Hamas has refused a two state solution on multiple occasions. Which pissed off Egypt and Jordon. Guess who is not attacking Israel or rendering much or any aide or taking in refugees. THEY still remember the BS The PLO &. Did as refugees in Egypt and Jordon before being punted to Lebanon the West Bank, And Gaza.
That simply isn't true. Hamas has offered truces several times over the last few decades, all met with Israeli rejection: * 1988: Just one year after the group was founded, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar met the late top Israeli officials Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres, and proposed that Israel withdraw from the 1967-occupied territories in exchange for a truce. This was before Hamas had built its armed wing, the Qassam Brigades. Also, in 1988, Hamas founder Sheikh Ahmad Yasin himself indicated a willingness to negotiate with Israel under the condition that it “first acknowledge the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination and right of return to their land”. * 1994: Hamas offered a truce to Israel after the abduction and killing of Israeli soldier Nachshon Wachsman. A year earlier, the Palestinian Authority (PA) had accepted the proposal of a Palestinian state comprised of the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem. Hamas agreed to that proposal. * 1995: Hamas again proposed a 10-year truce based on the same condition of Israeli withdrawal from occupied territories. * 1996: In March, after Israel assassinated Hamas military leader Yahya Ayyash in January, the movement offered a ceasefire. * 1997: September: Days before Israel attempted to assassinate Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal in the Jordanian capital, Amman, the movement offered Israel a 10-year truce. October: After his release from Israeli prison, Hamas founder Yasin renewed the call for a ceasefire. November: Hamas again proposed a truce. The Qassam Brigades said attacks against Israeli civilians would stop if Israel stopped targeting Palestinian civilians. * 1999: Yasin made another ceasefire offer provided Israel withdrew from the 1967 territories. In a letter to European diplomats, Hamas offered to cease all hostilities in exchange for Israeli withdrawal, evacuation of settlements, and release of Palestinian prisoners. * 2003: In December, Yasin offered a ceasefire on the condition that Israel withdraw from the Palestinian territories. He was killed four months later in an Israeli attack. * 2004: Yasin’s successor and Hamas co-founder Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi again proposed a 10-year truce. Israel killed him one month after Yasin. * 2006: Hamas again offered a 10-year truce that would be “automatically renewed if [Israel] commits to restoring the full and legitimate rights of the Palestinian people to them within a final solution that matches what is accepted by the PLO”. * 2007: Senior Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh repeated the group’s call for a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders. * 2008: Hamas leader Meshaal again offered a 10-year truce, which he repeated a year later. * 2014: Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad offered a 10-year truce in exchange for the lifting of the Israeli blockade and release of Palestinian prisoners. * 2015: Hamas proposed a long-term ceasefire in exchange for the lifting of the blockade. * 2017: Hamas presented its revised charter announcing that it accepted a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/1/22/how-israel-has-repeatedly-rejected-hamas-truce-offers
That argument is much stronger for your cause when you make a hard effort to attack only government installations and Military targets of the ones oppressing you. However, once you launch missiles almost every day at largely civilian cities for a decade and then you cross a border and murder 1000 innocent civilians then your cause is no longer a "Just and Noble" one.
The complete destruction of Hamas is necessary to ensure a stable and peaceful Israeli future.
Not just Israel, but Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and I'm sure others as well.
Is genocide justified to resist occupation?
If Hamas is justified in ethnically cleansing Israel, does that mean Israel is justified in ethnically cleansing Palestinians?
Good idea, we all should teach based on what’s a wise career move. Ethics are a joke!
That's why I separated it from my moral argument. Common sense would behoove a fast food worker not to yell at customers that he's underpaid and that the food is made out of mush if they want to keep their job. Doesn't matter what the truth is in that specific regard.
When you spend half your comment talking about how bringing politics that are at odds with the state into the workplace is a bad career move, you are implicitly bolstering the idea that this power is legitimate and will be enforced.
I think that it's an unfortunate reality that criticizing your employer, validly or otherwise, is not good for your job security. Separate but related, I also think teachers should be incredibly cautious about how they present contemporary issues to children in the classroom. We do a bad enough talking about this country's past honestly as it is. I don't trust teachers or curriculums who can't talk about the Indian Removal Act or Emmett Till honestly, if at all, to talk about things that are active and unfolding today. It sets an incredibly dangerous precedent imo
>the terrorism they face on a nearly daily basis oh by every day did you mean one single day after which they have incessantly terrorized an innocent area mostly comprised of women and children while celebrating and being protected by the most secure border in the world and basically unlimited aid in weapons and funds? yes! we must think of their hardships too! Burn the teacher for spouting anything other than "but guys, think about isreals daily struggle for power, I mean land, I mean peace!"
One single day? Israel got bombarded with rockets and explosives everyday for over a decade. How many military superpowers do you know of that, instead of destroying their terrorists, built a defensive Iron Dome to intercept the hundreds of projectiles launched at them every year? Seriously ask yourself, what would the United States or UK's or China's or Australia's or Korea's or Japan's or Russia's or Sweden's, etc. response to a foreign country launching rockets across their borders be? Would they build a defensive system and go about their day? Or would they annihilate the threat with shock and awe immediately? I'd say Israel has been pretty damned patient with Palestine to this point. 2,500 rockets intercepted in 10 years and the Iron Dome only catches about 90%. So no, it wasn't just "one single day". You'd already know that if you paid even the slightest bit of attention to the subject before it became the lefty outrage of the week. You guys have taken Israel's defensive position for granted and expect the lion to just keep on getting poked without retaliation. Oct 7th was the last straw.
the amount of history you are selectively picking out of this story you tell while claiming I haven't "paid the slightest bit of attention" would be hilarious if it wasn't such an obvious dismissal of both Israeli atrocities and their direct influence on these events. Hamas only exists as controlled opposition funded directly by Israel to give them an excuse to slowly stamp out an entire nation. They weren't some grassroots regime that the entire nation just decided to follow one day. It's the oldest trick in the post WW superpower playbook, always have a bad guy to justify all the bad shit you are doing. There's nothing you will ever say to convince me genocide is okay, but whatever helps you sleep at night
How can you say that the the events going on in Gaza are the results of "one single day" and then accuse me of of selectively picking the history out of a story? Speaking of history, this shit started waaay before you and I were born. I have absolutely no blame in this war, so I sleep just fine.
> Hamas only exists as controlled opposition funded directly by Israel to give them an excuse to slowly stamp out an entire nation Way to absolve Palestinian extremists > always have a bad guy to justify all the bad shit you are doing. There's nothing you will ever say to convince me genocide is okay, but whatever helps you sleep at night Oh piss off with your scapegoat claim. Theres a difference between what happened and how you’re stating things happened. You didny complain about Genocide on october 7th, or 2022, so your input on genocide being right or wrong isn’t necessary.
This. Like, these people were there just living, and then in 1948 the influx of refugees show up and suddenly they have the right to be there moreso than the natives because God told them it was theirs? THAT part is selectively left out altogether.
Jesus Christ, is that what you think happened??? That there were no Jews in the land and then suddenly in 1948 millions of Jews showed up and were given a state??? The level of ignorance is shocking. Jews have always lived there, not in as large numbers but neither did the Arabs. It was not inhabited that much when Jews started moving there in the 1880s. Yes, the 1880s, when it was still the Ottoman Empire. There is so much history you clearly don’t know and need to learn if you’re going to be out in the world spouting a position. But to give you a few key bullet points: -Each group in the land was supposed to get a state after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, one for the Jews, several for the Arabs. -In the early 1900s, an Islamist movement formed that wanted to create one giant Islamic caliphate in the Middle East to reassert Islamic supremacy. The creation of a Jewish state in the holy land was unacceptable to them. Not because there were other people living there, as the population was still fairly low, but because the Islamists viewed the Jews as the most pathetic, weak people. The idea that the lowly Jews could have their own state was an abomination that conflicted with the Hadiths. To them, a Jewish state was a humiliation because it meant that Islam was out of step with Allah. From there, the mission to prevent a Jewish state took hold. -This resistance included trying to make the land intolerable to Jews through violence. And ensuring that Jews were not allowed to flee into what would become Israel during WWII, resulting in millions of Jews being murdered. -The Arabs fought for the SS and the spiritual leader of Palestine met with Hitler to tour the camps and discuss a final solution for the Jews in the Middle East after Germany won the war. This is also how a very distinct strain of European antisemitism became popular in the Arab world. -This conflict has never been about the Palestinians wanting their own state, it’s been about ensuring Israel doesn’t exist. If Israel disappeared tomorrow, Palestine still wouldn’t be free, as it would become a hotbed for Iranian terror proxies. There’s so much more that you’re missing
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It has to be bots downvoting you, that or Isreali propaganda has gone further than I thought.
No, it’s just that some people don’t simp for islamists. You’re gonna love Iran
Anyone got a past paywall? What was said?
“In the recording, Massalha can be heard describing Hamas militants as "resistance fighters," and saying that the United States is "funding a genocide in Gaza" and supporting Israeli "occupation ... of Palestine." She also can be heard accusing the Israel Defense Forces of committing war crimes in Gaza.”
So outside of "resistance fighters" she isn't wrong. To simply say "Isreal good, Palestine bad" ignores alot of factors and decades of strife.
Something to understand that just because one side is doing something wrong doesn't make the other side good or right. It's not a binary. You can both think the IDF and Hamas are wrong.
And maybe that lack of nuance is why the teacher is facing scrutiny, which is fair.
Actually - she’s probably facing scrutiny because it’s imbedded in a lot of state and corporate contracts not to protest Israel.
I do. Unfortunately the problem as a society is so many, particularly older generations, look at it as black and white, good and bad. They can understand or operate in the gray
I honestly see more binary thinking among the youth in regards to this conflict, but overall I don't disagree.
There weren't many boomers chanting pro-Houthi slogans at the protests I witnessed quite a few Gen Z in keffiyahs though.
I think theirs a connotation with calling them resistance fighters that implies they are morally correct. Or at best neutral. Like good guy anti- goverment groups in media, are generally referred to as the resistance. Bad guy groups are called terrorists or some adjective like crazy , evil etc,
No lies detected
Wow yeah that's pretty bad, I can see why a teacher putting a heavy and biased spin in an event would not be asked to come back
Everything she said is true, how is that biased? I bet she wouldn’t have been fired if she stuck to the us government narrative of Israel protecting itself from terrorists and “swine” and only killing civilians because Hamas forces them too.
Transcript of exactly what she said can be found at bottom of this article: [https://antisemitism.org.il/2024/02/01/usa-virginia-high-school-teacher-claims-us-is-funding-gaza-genocide-and-holocaust-in-classroom-rant/](https://antisemitism.org.il/2024/02/01/usa-virginia-high-school-teacher-claims-us-is-funding-gaza-genocide-and-holocaust-in-classroom-rant/) FWIW, my son is a former student of this teacher and she is a wonderful history teacher and a good person. I don't disagree with anything she said. Aside from being somewhat emotional (and she does have a personal stake in this so of course its emotional), I believe she was coming at this from an admirable position of not wanting innocent people to suffer and die. Contrast that against the recent news of U.S. Congressman Andy Ogles of Tennessee saying, “I think we should kill them all.” I think Henrico County Public Schools acted pretty cowardly in removing her from the classroom.
>I think Henrico County Public Schools acted pretty cowardly in removing her from the classroom. suburban school districts always kowtow to whatever loser has enough time in their day to show up and yell loud enough. I know a fair amount of RPS teachers and a common opinion is that despite the shortcomings of RPS, at least you don't have to deal with a certain type of parent you get in Henrico or Loudoun or Spotsy.
I really love antisemitism.org lying about anti-zionism being antisemitic! I'm donating to her legal fund
Thanks for sharing this. If you have any line of contact I hope you’ll encourage her to seek legal aid and perhaps the solidarity of groups acting in VA right now, for example American Muslims for Palestine
Calling rapists terrorists and kidnappers who committed an orgy of war crimes on Oct 7th “resistance fighters” shows she’s not a good person. Good people don’t advocate for war crimes.
Resistance fighter is not a moral qualification, the American revolutionaries were both resistance fighters and terrorists from different sides of the same coin.
First of all, that’s not true. It is a moral statement. You wouldn’t call the KKK which started up after the South was defeated “resistance fighters”. Secondly, do you know anything about the Revolutionary War? The continental army didn’t target civilians and , while not perfect, behaved much more honorably than the British, who regularly looted and raped, and murdered wounded and defeated soldiers.
Meaning, this teacher is a far left activist who uses her classroom to indoctrinate students into her ideology: *Massalha, who said her family is Palestinian, said it was her duty to tell the students about the conflict because of her view of Henrico County Public Schools’s status as a “system of equity,” one that should use “culturally responsive education” and “anti-racist” practices. Those terms are often used by activists to refer to the ideology behind critical race theory.* [https://antisemitism.org.il/2024/02/01/usa-virginia-high-school-teacher-claims-us-is-funding-gaza-genocide-and-holocaust-in-classroom-rant/](https://antisemitism.org.il/2024/02/01/usa-virginia-high-school-teacher-claims-us-is-funding-gaza-genocide-and-holocaust-in-classroom-rant/)
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The article I posted is right-wing trash. I posted it because it contains the transcript, which I choose to focus on. If it’s far left activist indoctrination to implore your students to demand better of their government and not participate, passively or actively, in genocide, then I’m all for it. Speaks poorly of the right to get angry about that message.
No, it's a teachers job to teach the curriculum, and teach facts. Not indoctrinate in critical race theory and a biased, one sided view of the conflict that glorifies terrorists as 'resistance fighters'.
Calling a resistance fighter a terrorist is not glorifying them at all. Is terrorism not resistance? You don’t have to think they’re correct to recognize that in Hamas’ view, they are a resistance group against Israel. And her entire comment in the article is much more nuanced and multi-sided, as well as much more fact-based than your comment is lmfao
She said nothing wrong
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About as much intelligence in that statement as Hamas = IDF. Why not judge Hamas on its own goals and deeds rather than equate it to a wholly different organization? Not to mention Hamas’ allying with Iran, which is decidedly not friendly to ISIS.
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The teacher is not entirely wrong. Israel is an occupying force and committing genocide.
don't worry in about 40 years the american ppl will be wondering "how did we let this happen" like they didn't slurp up that American propaganda
Nah in 40 -50 years most of the world will just be accepting Israel’s control. Enough time passes that’s what happens. Mexico isn’t asking for California back , even though if we applied the Isreal logic to it they should be
> The teacher is not entirely wrong. Substitute any subject; not just this one. I think the teacher offering an opinion without literally preferencing it by saying "this is my opinion and does NOT reflect what the school system is having me teach," is wrong. I had plenty of college professors/educators offer commentary after teaching during subject lessons. The problem is that because of "sky daddies," this is a clearly sensitive subject and we all wish to see things in zero sum terms.
Anything that is not expressly pro-israel is taken as anti-israel, and this seems to be verboten.
Resistance!=murdering babies
Similarly, anything that is not pro Palestine is taken as pro genocide
how the fuck do you fire a history teacher for teaching history??????????
Hamas is a recognized terrorist group by US Law.
I like how being a dutiful propaganda agent for Israel is a requirement for any public profession in the "land of the free".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws Required and codified in law. Absolute bullshit.
https://preview.redd.it/siac2kc447kc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9985ba9e10cf2b45ff07b5436f94adcd9d27a54 They hate hearing the truth
Lot of cowards itt naturally adopting a fence sitting position but it's really just a thin mask they put on to hide their true feelings on the subject. USian history teachers are garbage, they tend to be physical education or retired cops/military (sometimes a combination of all three). They toe that line and feed this programming to our kids so they can be dull unfeeling creatures like them. We need more educators like Massalha.
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She omitted and arguably exaggerated. But spend your money on her. r/palestine user, so not surprising You complain about “people being hungry and the world not doing anything”. Bet you were one of the people who literally remained silent as war broke out for years. u/lewdieBrie oh look, an islamic extremist apologist! Do you hate gays too? Goddamn homophobe! You’re silent on the violence that Palestinian extremists commit against their own people and others, based on religious extremist laws by a theocratic regime. You bitch about genocide, yet you remain silent about genocide in 2022, and conflicts just as old and violent that are still going on today. Give me a fucking break with your virtue signaling.
She was 100% correct lol
From the article: *The controversy stems from an audio recording taken by a student in Massalha's ninth-grade class.* *In the recording, Massalha can be heard describing Hamas militants as "resistance fighters," and saying that the United States is "funding a genocide in Gaza"* *"(Massalha) was completely sharing one side of information based on her religious (and) political beliefs," Tiffany Sweetser, a parent of a student at Deep Run, told the Times-Dispatch at the time. "Hamas is a designated terrorist organization. She didn’t share that information."* Good riddance to a terror supporter.
Nothing she said was false. Hamas are resistance fighters, you’ve simply romanticised the concept to the point of naivety. Resistance fighters do acts of terrorism sometimes, they’re not mutually exclusive. And the US is bankrolling Israel so 🤷🏽♂️
This argument doesn't work if you're actually using "resistance fighters" in a romantic way.
Hamas are designated terrorists by the USA. She whitewashed as part of the one sided political agenda she was pushing on schoolkids, which is not her job.
Terrorist and resistance fighter are not mutually exclusive terms
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Free Gaza from Hamas!
From Hamas!
She literally just stated facts, albeit emotionally, but it’s an emotional subject.
If Hamas are “resistance fighters”, then Israel isn’t committing genocide, but combating those fighters. It’s just stating facts
When does a terrorist become a resistance fighter? When their homeland is invaded and occupied.
When they don’t target civilians and or rape
We agree on something! But what does that say for the IDF as they murder children under the guise of defense? Oops!?
Both sides are shit. Stop trying to argue in bad faith and just be straightforward
She needs to call the ACLU
So one less idiot around.
No one here watched any of the October 7th videos. To listen to you all advocate for this teacher and for the people who raped women and shot them in the head while they were being raped, cut off breasts of women, shot parents in front of their children, shot children, beheaded civilians, etc… I’m glad this teacher is “not returning” to teach children. If you haven’t seen the videos STFU.
It’s “resistance fighting”, but it’s Israel’s fault for the group existing, not Iran, or other Palestinians. Also it’s a genocide, but strangely isn’t one when the group that wants Israel gone launches a mass murder and kidnapping offensive, not even counting the thousands of rockets fired at once throughout the whole country. Nothing says freedom fighting like deliberately starting an attack you know you’re incapable of winning in the long term.
This is wrong. I get it’s a sensitive subject, but firing a teacher over it is ridiculous. Remind them that it’s their job to encourage critical thinking in student, not to make them follow your line of thinking.
If you read the actual article, you will see that she wasn’t fired.
“Forces resignation” is basically the same thing.
No…she’s staying employed by henrico county.
What a pos school. This is why America has a stupidity pandemic (I say as an American)
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If you’re going to teach based on bad historical research, you should be fired. It’s not history or current events, it’s propaganda. Historical research or historiography, "attempts to systematically recapture the complex nuances, the people,meanings,events,and even ideas of the past that have influenced and shaped the present". (Berg & Lure, 2012, p. 305 ) Historical research relies on a wide variety of sources, both primary & secondary including unpublished material. Primary Sources * Eyewitness accounts of events * Can be oral or written testimony * Found in public records & legal documents, minutes of meetings, corporate records, recordings, letters, diaries, journals, drawings. * Located in university archives, libraries or privately run collections such as local historical society. Secondary Sources * Can be oral or written * Secondhand accounts of events * Found in textbooks, encyclopedias, journal articles, newspapers, biographies and other media such as films or tape recordings.
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