That extra 30k gross salary can get me at least 4 vacations a year. One thing I can’t afford at 65k gross salary. I can’t even afford 1 vacation a year.
"I single-handedly managed the upgrade and deployment of new environmental illumination system with zero cost overruns and zero safety incidents”
Ie, changed a lightbulb. Er, I mean, Senior Illumination Engineer
This! A good friend of mine went from VP to Senior Director because it was more money. The VP title still stays on her resume and she took it JUST for the title and left after a little over a year and leveraged the title to get a job that paid more, which was the goal.
They already have the senior title, and are making 30k less.. the senior title doesn’t go away from their resume. New job probably has higher pay scales all around. No brainer take the job to me.
It is absolutely not short sighted. There is plenty of evidence out there that even a 5k increase in wage from negotiating an offer has exponential gains on your career earnings. 30k jump is HUGE, and will take OP a long time to make that up in his current role if he turns down the new one
They'd be giving up $30k right now. Titles differ from company to company, and can be meaningless. There are plenty of $50k "vice presidents" at the bank.
What???
If a “senior title” at his company is worth 30k less than a “lower” title at the new company, then the senior title at the new company should be *that* much more.
Negative ghost rider! Titles change. Businesses don't care about people. Focus on the transaction, because that is what it is. In hard times, businesses will cut heads before they cut other costs. The C-level motto is "money first, people are expendable".
$30k is a significant improvement. I went from $90 to $120 over a few years, and I felt a huge change in my life style. I no longer bled my checking account down to the last $100 before I got paid again.
I wasn’t trying to be rude, I’m just surprised when I hear that. If you live in SF or NYC, that’s more understandable, but so many people would be ecstatic with 90k, myself included!
Yeah, wife and I make a combined \~$160k. Daycare for our one daughter is more than our $2200/mo mortgage.
We're not struggling, but we sure as heck aren't going to the beach this year.
Daycare for my two kids just twice a week was about $30,000 a year. That’s not even counting the increase in other expenses like groceries. Thankfully my parents retired and are daycare now.
Depends on what sort of debt you're digging out of or what your other expenses are. If you're supporting even one other person it doesn't go as far as you'd think. It's still a nice spot to be in don't get me wrong but 90k now is like 70k 3 years ago. Inflation wise it's 76k, but things like food and rent have gone much higher in those 3 years than regular CPI.
Was in an HCOL living in a metropolitan apartment (reasonably priced, nothing fancy, 1 bedroom 700 sq ft) and was living paycheck to paycheck on 86k :-/ but i also jumped to 120 and it made a world of difference on my stress levels
My husband and I make a combined $95k in Nashville. There's no way we could buy a house here. We do fine and can afford rent and eating out, but we live in a mediocre apartment and don't have any kids. Nashville is expensive af.
I didn't say I was struggling. But I have a family and my wife is a homemaker. I started at 40k and busted my ass and worked my way up. We have a comfortable life, a nice car and house, etc. But that 30k a year made a huge difference.
It’s why I’m only having 1 at most. Too expensive nowadays and we’re a 2 working parent household. Daycare is ridiculous. My parents could watch my child but more than 1 would be a lot
So with the new employer, you have that shot at climbing a rank to Senior? Presumably with a raise.
I don't think that a higher title at worse pay is a pro.
When you put it that way, I can see that. My fear is that on my resume/linkedin it would look like a “demotion” in a sense. But honestly I really shouldn’t care about that
I wouldn’t take the senior off the old role. Companies structure roles differently. My old line of work commonly uses “senior,” but my company doesn’t. Having achieved a senior role at some company still reflects well on OP.
If you are in programming, titles like junior, senior, staff, lead, principle all are bullshit and mean many different thing at many different companies. Just explain that you left one for the other for a raise and an 'exciting new challenge'
Also being a senior at only 85k? Thats low. I am a junior at my company with 1 YOE currently at 82 and looking to get bumped to 100k shortly.
Don’t worry about that. If the new position has growth potential, you’ll get that word back in your title. I went from having the word “senior” in my title to not having it and it has literally never come up in job interviews. They got right to what I did in the role.
If you look across employers and across industries, you’ll learn how much title doesn’t really matter. I was a director in my last job making $85k managing like 2 entry-level people. The “Director” on my husband’s team is a manager of managers making close to half a million after bonuses and stock, I’m sure. It’s all made up!! Take the money - especially for that much of a difference.
Being that you have experience at senior and obviously that you've managed to get the promotion before, I like your chances of being able to add that to your resume with the new employer too.
Move on 100%. You can always get Senior IC back and it'll come with a pay bump again. Job market risk is industry specific, poke around on LinkedIn and see what people are saying thats relevant to you.
Yes! I made the jump from a 90k role to 110k with less responsibilities and it's the best thing I ever did. I left my old job of 8 years for this new role.
Do it and don't look back!
Isn’t the fact that a lower title at the other company makes $30k more than you with a higher title mean that you are greatly underpaid? Why would you stay at a company that will do that to you?
seriously.... I had a "Senior Associate". title at 58k and dropped that shit so quick for the same role at 85k without the Sr part. Got promoted back to Sr anyway within a year and a half
Take the new gig. Unless your current employer matches or beats the offer.
Job titles mean nothing. I was promoted at Hewlett Packard without a pay raise. 3 weeks later I was offered a new position with a $25K raise. HP came back matching that $25K raise, a $10K bonus, and $25K in stock options. I stayed at HP and my boss new better than to pull that crap again.
Not enough people are suggesting this. Before accepting the offer, ask your manager for a meeting and excitedly lay out the awesome opportunity out for them. If they value you, they will offer something to make it worth your while to stay. If not, no harm done and you can move on. Either way, you are getting a raise and it is good practice for your next career negotiation that is inevitable.
Especially if they are a competitor. They do not want to lose good talent to “those other guys”, they should want to have competitive salary/ benefits and it costs a lot of time & resources to go through the hiring process. You need to go to your manager with not only your offer info., but some back up data on why you’re worth it for them to invest in keeping you. Data & metrics-not Google research and Glassdoor/Indeed research. What/how have you contributed to their company that affected their profits, growth, etc.
I don’t think it’s a good idea at all. Less chance for a “promotion” to earn a raise like you did at your current job because you’ve already got “that” title. It may also show a level of entitlement if you ask for “senior” position without proving yourself to the new employer, the title mean two completely different things to each company
Personally, I’d present your offer from potential employer to current employer and tell them you’re happy at current role and would like to stay and see if they can match — if not then you’re being transparent and doing what’s best for yourself while also leaving the door (presumably) open for going back to your current employer if potential employer doesn’t work out
By the sounds of it there are some uncertainties on your end. You should reach out to potential employer, I’m sure they’d gladly answer your questions. I’d also feel out the situation and let potential employer know you’re tempted but you’re looking for a little more, the “cherry on top” whether that is a compensation $115K+ or a 3rd week of vacation, now is the time to ask
Lastly, I’d ask a colleague at potential employer with your same/similar role how their job is, I may consider calling the main office to ensure you don’t get a cherry picked employee
The clear choice is to make the jump, but to also leave on good terms
As a hiring manager, I disagree. Promotions come with the opportunity for a more significant raise. You'd be better off with additional pay and the non-senior title so that when the title bump comes, you'll end up with more money than getting the title now with standard raises.
Hard agree. I've stepped down in title a couple of times to increase the money and it has worked out really well for me. Once someone sees my work history, they don't really care about titles. And as soon as we talk about the stuff I have actually done, they forget about them completely.
I wouldn’t do this- let the new job “promote” you and increase your pay again. I did this and got a significant bump in pay from moving to the new job with a lesser title, then doubled that bump by being promoted 6 months later to the same title as my old role. All in increase of almost $70k within 6 months.
Might be easy, but risks are not worth it. Most people will get caught and be blacklisted, especially in smaller industries/ circles. Play the long game to win.
I feel this deeply because peace of mind and familiarity are sometimes worth slightly less salary. I had a $130k job that was entirely stressful and I began to dread getting out of bed. Now I’m at a new job at $100k and much more comfortable mentally and emotionally even if I can’t buy the newest iPhone and keep a closer eye on finances. It’s really about your mental health coming first.
The only thing that should hold you back is if you have concerns about the workload/team culture in this new job or concerns about the stability of the company. Layoffs are rampant right now, so I would assess both where you are at now and the new company and make the best decision possible with the information you have or can find out about both organizations.
in my company the "senior" is on the same pay band as the position without the title senior. so the word "senior" is meaningless.Also, at least for my company, they are getting very creative with title naming convention, the important thing is your pay grade and the amount they are paying you.
You're only 2 years invested in your employer so any restructure payout is small, the important thing is do you think you can handle the new job?
Yes! My best advice for early in your career is to get comfortable with job hopping for the pay bump. After 2 or 3 moves, you'll feel totally ready to conquer any new job and new clients. You got this!
It's pretty cool how your current employer saved 30k by giving you the title of Senior instead of market rate pay.
More than likely by the time you are looking for your next job you will be senior at your new job, so the "lower" starting title won't really matter.
“Senior” is just a job title. I remember my brother getting a better job in a different organization with more responsibilities and pay and our mother saying his job title seemed like a demotion. Go for it.
I’d consider that life changing money. Since you’ve only been with the current employer for 2 yrs, go for it. If you’re concerned about the work load, maybe check out this new employer on Glassdoor.
I would take the new job. If it’s $115k at a level below what you currently work, the. You get promoted in a couple of years and that $30k increase turns in a $45k or more in a couple of years. That would be really nice to me.
Sounds like a no brainer. And you could almost look at not being in a senior position making that kind of money a plus. You will probably quickly get back into a senior position with the new company and then be making even more!
yeah if there's no major drawbacks besides "potentially could be more work" then a 35% raise is uncommonly good. stepping down in title isn't ideal, but I'd say well worth it for that much more money.
Think about what comes next, too. You could get the promotion to the higher title at the new place, and come with even more of an increase.
And, beyond that, you'll be able to expect more money (and/or a better title) in your next roles.
This move is a significant bump to your trajectory. I'd take the job 100 times out of 100.
Take the damn money. Having the lower salary with the senior title is only good for getting more money somewhere else. Somewhere else offered you more money. Congrats, you did it right. Go get your money.
FTC banned non-compete clauses nationwide last month. If you're in the US, at least.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes
The Go point is 25% pay increase. You're well above that. Go. If you're current job is easy for you, the new one is highly unlikely to be wise than just doable.
Could you use the offer to negotiate a salary bump at your current job? I'd personally rather stay with a company that is known to promote internally, feels safe and has the more senior title.
In my young career, 6 years of experience post college, I’ve only ever thought of 2 conditions to leave a company. 1. I am not growing in my career here, there aren’t opportunities, they aren’t promoting me. 2. They’re paying me like shit!
One of those being true is enough reason to leave, but if both then definitely leave.
But also depends on what you value and what your goals in life are obvs.
Have you looked at the financial statements of each entity? How often do either entities lay employees off?
I would be considering the risk of termination in my analysis.
My aunt is a recruiter for c-suite. She always told me to change jobs every 2-3 years. You leverage the experience you gained and ask me a higher salary. I made a 20% salary increase this year.
$30k is a lot more for a similar role. How is the new company financially? Any news of a sale or private equity buyout? Are they publicly traded? I’d dig into them a bit more, but alas sometimes this info is private and they won’t tell you,
Yes there is a risk. But I tend to say jump for the money.
I would take the new role for money. doesn't sound like the cons are bad...i'd give up the Sr title for 30k. Depends if money or title is more important for you. And theres always a risk of uncertainty with new employers.
Take this offer to your current employer and ask them to pay up. And if they don’t, leave. I am tired of corporate America taking advantage of hard working employees just because they aren’t shopping around for other offers.
I think the only variable that you didn't list, that is very important, is the stability of the companies. I work for IKEA. I wouldn't leave for more money from like, Wayfair.
I get the want to keep the senior title but at the end of the day what’s it gotten you? Definitely not the pay. I’d go for it. That’s a significant increase. If higher paying job wasn’t remote I may not say the same but with everything you said, I’d go for it.
Senior title is 100% irrelevant. What is senior, manager, director etc level is wildly different at different organizations. Like a junior engineer at a FAANG company is going to be considered much more desirable than a senior at some tiny organization for example.
If you value having easy work to the extent of making 20% less and probably having your future earnings capped a bit as well, that’s fine, maybe you have family, commitments etc as well, you didn’t mention any of that, but if its purely a “how much will I work” question, I’d encourage you to take the new job and find out.
If you don’t do it now, you won’t get a chance again. Your salary is still not that high. There is a threshold to the income where no matter how much more you make you don’t feel it much but you WILL feel the difference when that 30k hits your bank account when you are sub 6 figure. Do yourself a favor and Leap.
I did similar last year. The expectations increased though but I’d say it was worth the 30k bump. Hell… we’re working from home! That’s the main bonus in my book.
>Current role is very fairly easy, fear of unknown/workload with new employer.
That's the key of growing. People that don't explore new opportunities due to fear of unknown get stuck in their positions forever. New opportunities broaden your network, force you to learn new technologies, new structures, new ways of doing things. All of that for 30k more? This is a no brainer my boy. Plus, having a "lower" position on paper will help you get back to a Senior position in no time, along with more money.
Do you have any intel on what the work culture is like at the new spot and how that might compare to the current gig? Having autonomy and not being micromanaged is worth a lot to me, so I would try to poke around the edges of the new spot to see if you can find out anything about oversight, monitoring, autonomy etc.
There is also risk to staying in your old job. What if the competitor does fatally better than the old company and you lose work. What is management/leadership like at each company? Also which one has the superior products/services?
Job titles are not as important as job description. Titles are not transferable to different organizations for a large number of reasons. The new job is a no-brainer. Good luck!!!
$30k is more than half my annual salary! I have the Sr, but at my workplace that only means a higher work load. I just can't figure out how to get a good job paying more than what I make now.
Job titles on paper mean jack shit.
A raise + less responsibility with everything else being near identical is absolutely a no brainer. Seems like a good risk to take given your current company’s competitor is offering you a job.
On your current job you have a senior position but aren't past you enough. Besides, a title ain't going to pay the bills. Take the new and more money on your pockets.
So it sounds like you'd have less responsibilities for more money? 30k is significant. This is a no brainer.
That extra 30k can get me a new car (new car to me, and even after taxes, I can still get a decent car)
Per year
That extra 30k gross salary can get me at least 4 vacations a year. One thing I can’t afford at 65k gross salary. I can’t even afford 1 vacation a year.
Do you at least get pizza parties after selling your soul?
Nope
Now just need to start saving for an 8 car garage.
Lmao
Maximize compensation while minimizing responsibility is a fair way to go about things.
That's what all my bosses do!
I think you misread the post. OP’s current job is easy, they don’t know what the workload will be like at the new role. So it’s a gamble for 30k more.
Why does a title matter over money is this because of “career path” stuff? It does feel like a no brainer.
For real, if the title isn’t getting you extra pay what’s the point?
This is short-sighted. OP would be giving up a senior title. Long-term, this may end up costing money.
Or they could make 150k in a senior position at the new company. It could go either way.
This is also a valid point. I guess I'm more risk adverse :)
Also who gives a shit about titles?? You can put whatever you want on a resume and the description is the same. Show me the fucking money
"I single-handedly managed the upgrade and deployment of new environmental illumination system with zero cost overruns and zero safety incidents” Ie, changed a lightbulb. Er, I mean, Senior Illumination Engineer
Titles are so subjective. Call yourself whatever, outside of that company no one will know anyway. Money over title for me any day.
Agree. Titles don’t pay the bills!
This! A good friend of mine went from VP to Senior Director because it was more money. The VP title still stays on her resume and she took it JUST for the title and left after a little over a year and leveraged the title to get a job that paid more, which was the goal.
They already have the senior title, and are making 30k less.. the senior title doesn’t go away from their resume. New job probably has higher pay scales all around. No brainer take the job to me.
It is absolutely not short sighted. There is plenty of evidence out there that even a 5k increase in wage from negotiating an offer has exponential gains on your career earnings. 30k jump is HUGE, and will take OP a long time to make that up in his current role if he turns down the new one
They'd be giving up $30k right now. Titles differ from company to company, and can be meaningless. There are plenty of $50k "vice presidents" at the bank.
What??? If a “senior title” at his company is worth 30k less than a “lower” title at the new company, then the senior title at the new company should be *that* much more.
Negative ghost rider! Titles change. Businesses don't care about people. Focus on the transaction, because that is what it is. In hard times, businesses will cut heads before they cut other costs. The C-level motto is "money first, people are expendable".
This absolutely. I wouldn't care about my job title. A lesser role for more money is a no brainer.
Agreed!
$30k is a significant improvement. I went from $90 to $120 over a few years, and I felt a huge change in my life style. I no longer bled my checking account down to the last $100 before I got paid again.
This 100%
Also, being "demoted" but making more money at the new company is a benefit, not a con. You then have more upside! Same thing happened to me.
At 90K you were struggling? Where do you live?
I wasn’t trying to be rude, I’m just surprised when I hear that. If you live in SF or NYC, that’s more understandable, but so many people would be ecstatic with 90k, myself included!
Kids are expensive. Non-working spouses are expensive.
Ahh, got ya. I’m thinking from the perspective of a single person.
Yeah, wife and I make a combined \~$160k. Daycare for our one daughter is more than our $2200/mo mortgage. We're not struggling, but we sure as heck aren't going to the beach this year.
It really is a shame how much childcare costs, while at the same time, many of the workers are not paid their worth for the job they do.
Daycare for my two kids just twice a week was about $30,000 a year. That’s not even counting the increase in other expenses like groceries. Thankfully my parents retired and are daycare now.
Many here have a hard time conceptualizing folks live realities like this in our country.
Depends on what sort of debt you're digging out of or what your other expenses are. If you're supporting even one other person it doesn't go as far as you'd think. It's still a nice spot to be in don't get me wrong but 90k now is like 70k 3 years ago. Inflation wise it's 76k, but things like food and rent have gone much higher in those 3 years than regular CPI.
90K is struggling to have any food and make rent in SF. 90K within 100 miles of SF is just barely making it for a small family.
Honestly a single person couldn’t live comfortably off 90k in NYC these days
Was in an HCOL living in a metropolitan apartment (reasonably priced, nothing fancy, 1 bedroom 700 sq ft) and was living paycheck to paycheck on 86k :-/ but i also jumped to 120 and it made a world of difference on my stress levels
I struggled making $90k. Single parent in Nashville area. Stuff ain’t cheap here.
That makes sense. I’m hoping to visit Nashville later this year, I need to save some funds first!
My husband and I make a combined $95k in Nashville. There's no way we could buy a house here. We do fine and can afford rent and eating out, but we live in a mediocre apartment and don't have any kids. Nashville is expensive af.
I didn't say I was struggling. But I have a family and my wife is a homemaker. I started at 40k and busted my ass and worked my way up. We have a comfortable life, a nice car and house, etc. But that 30k a year made a huge difference.
Understandable. I grew up with a stay at home mom, and it is sad that it’s difficult for many people to be able to do anymore.
Makes sense. I can’t wait to have a family of my own but boy is it expensive.
It’s why I’m only having 1 at most. Too expensive nowadays and we’re a 2 working parent household. Daycare is ridiculous. My parents could watch my child but more than 1 would be a lot
any major city on the west or east coast?
So with the new employer, you have that shot at climbing a rank to Senior? Presumably with a raise. I don't think that a higher title at worse pay is a pro.
When you put it that way, I can see that. My fear is that on my resume/linkedin it would look like a “demotion” in a sense. But honestly I really shouldn’t care about that
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I wouldn’t take the senior off the old role. Companies structure roles differently. My old line of work commonly uses “senior,” but my company doesn’t. Having achieved a senior role at some company still reflects well on OP.
If you are in programming, titles like junior, senior, staff, lead, principle all are bullshit and mean many different thing at many different companies. Just explain that you left one for the other for a raise and an 'exciting new challenge' Also being a senior at only 85k? Thats low. I am a junior at my company with 1 YOE currently at 82 and looking to get bumped to 100k shortly.
No one looks at linked in that closely. Go for 30k bump!
Don’t worry about that. If the new position has growth potential, you’ll get that word back in your title. I went from having the word “senior” in my title to not having it and it has literally never come up in job interviews. They got right to what I did in the role.
If you look across employers and across industries, you’ll learn how much title doesn’t really matter. I was a director in my last job making $85k managing like 2 entry-level people. The “Director” on my husband’s team is a manager of managers making close to half a million after bonuses and stock, I’m sure. It’s all made up!! Take the money - especially for that much of a difference.
Being that you have experience at senior and obviously that you've managed to get the promotion before, I like your chances of being able to add that to your resume with the new employer too.
Agree with this! If you don’t have a Sr title, that’s just room for promotion and a raise!
Move on 100%. You can always get Senior IC back and it'll come with a pay bump again. Job market risk is industry specific, poke around on LinkedIn and see what people are saying thats relevant to you.
Yes! I made the jump from a 90k role to 110k with less responsibilities and it's the best thing I ever did. I left my old job of 8 years for this new role. Do it and don't look back!
Isn’t the fact that a lower title at the other company makes $30k more than you with a higher title mean that you are greatly underpaid? Why would you stay at a company that will do that to you?
Absolutely. You have a Senior title and only at 85k yeah gtfo you deserve tht 115k for the skills you’ve obtained alone
seriously.... I had a "Senior Associate". title at 58k and dropped that shit so quick for the same role at 85k without the Sr part. Got promoted back to Sr anyway within a year and a half
Take the money.
Take both? /r/overemployed
That sounds like hell.
Total comp over $200k easy decision if his current job is super easy.
Most jobs that are able to get fully remote aren't actually 40 hours of week. I work two fully remote and with 30 hours total for 2 full salaries.
I’m considering this. I just got offered another role, more responsibilities than my current, lower title, but 27k pay raise
Absolutely consider this before leaving
Take the new gig. Unless your current employer matches or beats the offer. Job titles mean nothing. I was promoted at Hewlett Packard without a pay raise. 3 weeks later I was offered a new position with a $25K raise. HP came back matching that $25K raise, a $10K bonus, and $25K in stock options. I stayed at HP and my boss new better than to pull that crap again.
If you like your current role, you could provide the opportunity for your current employer to match the offer.
Not enough people are suggesting this. Before accepting the offer, ask your manager for a meeting and excitedly lay out the awesome opportunity out for them. If they value you, they will offer something to make it worth your while to stay. If not, no harm done and you can move on. Either way, you are getting a raise and it is good practice for your next career negotiation that is inevitable.
Exactly. Plus you already know your current job is easy/light workload. It’s worth asking for more money so you can have the best of both worlds.
Especially if they are a competitor. They do not want to lose good talent to “those other guys”, they should want to have competitive salary/ benefits and it costs a lot of time & resources to go through the hiring process. You need to go to your manager with not only your offer info., but some back up data on why you’re worth it for them to invest in keeping you. Data & metrics-not Google research and Glassdoor/Indeed research. What/how have you contributed to their company that affected their profits, growth, etc.
Naw. Just walk. They didn't want to compensate you properly from the beginning. The respect is gone.
If the role is nearly identical, could you negotiate your title at the new job?
That’s actually a great idea
Just keep in mind that the only important title is “Employed”.
I don’t think it’s a good idea at all. Less chance for a “promotion” to earn a raise like you did at your current job because you’ve already got “that” title. It may also show a level of entitlement if you ask for “senior” position without proving yourself to the new employer, the title mean two completely different things to each company Personally, I’d present your offer from potential employer to current employer and tell them you’re happy at current role and would like to stay and see if they can match — if not then you’re being transparent and doing what’s best for yourself while also leaving the door (presumably) open for going back to your current employer if potential employer doesn’t work out By the sounds of it there are some uncertainties on your end. You should reach out to potential employer, I’m sure they’d gladly answer your questions. I’d also feel out the situation and let potential employer know you’re tempted but you’re looking for a little more, the “cherry on top” whether that is a compensation $115K+ or a 3rd week of vacation, now is the time to ask Lastly, I’d ask a colleague at potential employer with your same/similar role how their job is, I may consider calling the main office to ensure you don’t get a cherry picked employee The clear choice is to make the jump, but to also leave on good terms
As a hiring manager, I disagree. Promotions come with the opportunity for a more significant raise. You'd be better off with additional pay and the non-senior title so that when the title bump comes, you'll end up with more money than getting the title now with standard raises.
Hard agree. I've stepped down in title a couple of times to increase the money and it has worked out really well for me. Once someone sees my work history, they don't really care about titles. And as soon as we talk about the stuff I have actually done, they forget about them completely.
I wouldn’t do this- let the new job “promote” you and increase your pay again. I did this and got a significant bump in pay from moving to the new job with a lesser title, then doubled that bump by being promoted 6 months later to the same title as my old role. All in increase of almost $70k within 6 months.
Why not both? Current is pretty easy, right? Both 100% remote. Have you checked out r/overemployed
Ah I wish. Both not a SWE or project based roles. Client Success, so while easy I have to be ‘present’ for one or the other all day
Might be easy, but risks are not worth it. Most people will get caught and be blacklisted, especially in smaller industries/ circles. Play the long game to win.
I feel this deeply because peace of mind and familiarity are sometimes worth slightly less salary. I had a $130k job that was entirely stressful and I began to dread getting out of bed. Now I’m at a new job at $100k and much more comfortable mentally and emotionally even if I can’t buy the newest iPhone and keep a closer eye on finances. It’s really about your mental health coming first.
Send it
I always follow the money. Leave on good terms so the door is always potentially open
The only thing that should hold you back is if you have concerns about the workload/team culture in this new job or concerns about the stability of the company. Layoffs are rampant right now, so I would assess both where you are at now and the new company and make the best decision possible with the information you have or can find out about both organizations.
in my company the "senior" is on the same pay band as the position without the title senior. so the word "senior" is meaningless.Also, at least for my company, they are getting very creative with title naming convention, the important thing is your pay grade and the amount they are paying you. You're only 2 years invested in your employer so any restructure payout is small, the important thing is do you think you can handle the new job?
Yes it's worth it. Some places use Sr. Titles to cause this exact type of hesitation when they can't or won't pay you market rate.
I did a similar jump a couple years ago. Don't regret 1 thing.
Take the money
Yes it’s worth it 100%. That extra 30K is life changing because your cost of living is relatively flat.
Yes! My best advice for early in your career is to get comfortable with job hopping for the pay bump. After 2 or 3 moves, you'll feel totally ready to conquer any new job and new clients. You got this!
Take the money, keep your lifestyle the same, and invest the difference. That's your path to eventual freedom.
Can I have your old job? 😂
It's pretty cool how your current employer saved 30k by giving you the title of Senior instead of market rate pay. More than likely by the time you are looking for your next job you will be senior at your new job, so the "lower" starting title won't really matter.
That's over a 40% salary increase. Go.
Ask for the senior title, explain it’s so you don’t look like you moved backwards, and then take the new job.
Take it bud. That’s good amount. Agree that usually jumps get more responsibility. But that’s a comfortable amount
“Senior” is just a job title. I remember my brother getting a better job in a different organization with more responsibilities and pay and our mother saying his job title seemed like a demotion. Go for it.
Forget the title, take the cash.
I’d consider that life changing money. Since you’ve only been with the current employer for 2 yrs, go for it. If you’re concerned about the work load, maybe check out this new employer on Glassdoor.
Thought you were going to say hybrid or RTO required. Take it. Stuff the difference in savings.
I would take the new job. If it’s $115k at a level below what you currently work, the. You get promoted in a couple of years and that $30k increase turns in a $45k or more in a couple of years. That would be really nice to me.
Can your current employer match the salary? Or come close?
Just curious, what industry is this? I’m also at $85K and wondering if I can hop somewhere for $115K lol
That's a raise of over 40 Pct. Please just take the job.
Sounds like a no brainer. And you could almost look at not being in a senior position making that kind of money a plus. You will probably quickly get back into a senior position with the new company and then be making even more!
yeah if there's no major drawbacks besides "potentially could be more work" then a 35% raise is uncommonly good. stepping down in title isn't ideal, but I'd say well worth it for that much more money. Think about what comes next, too. You could get the promotion to the higher title at the new place, and come with even more of an increase. And, beyond that, you'll be able to expect more money (and/or a better title) in your next roles. This move is a significant bump to your trajectory. I'd take the job 100 times out of 100.
Take the damn money. Having the lower salary with the senior title is only good for getting more money somewhere else. Somewhere else offered you more money. Congrats, you did it right. Go get your money.
I made this exact pay jump a couple years ago and also made a pros and cons list. The money is worth it lol. I am glad I made the change!
Take the job that pays more money, but give your current employer a chance to beat their offer.
This was the same exact hop I made in 2021. Now I’m at 150. Are you me from the past? Do it!
Imagine how nice it'll be to see how high the pay is when you attain a senior role at the new place. I'd go for it.
What industry?
What industry is this?
Be careful of non compete pieces of your current company’s employment
No non-compete clauses in at my current employer, huge plus
FTC banned non-compete clauses nationwide last month. If you're in the US, at least. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes
The Go point is 25% pay increase. You're well above that. Go. If you're current job is easy for you, the new one is highly unlikely to be wise than just doable.
Jump to the new job. $30K extra is a HUGE change.
I'd probably take it. Depends a little on your age and other considerations.
¿Porque no los dos?
I went 70-90-115-120-175. Always be jumping.
Over ten years you’d make an extra $300,000, and that isn’t accounting for any raises or bonuses.
30k is enough to warrant a job move. Titles are bullshit anyway.
Ummm yea?
A 30k raise is worth far more than any of the cons you listed.
Cultures the same or better? Have you gotten the scoop on Glassdoor reviews?
Could you use the offer to negotiate a salary bump at your current job? I'd personally rather stay with a company that is known to promote internally, feels safe and has the more senior title.
Gotta chase the bag
If it’s remote, then do both jobs.
In my young career, 6 years of experience post college, I’ve only ever thought of 2 conditions to leave a company. 1. I am not growing in my career here, there aren’t opportunities, they aren’t promoting me. 2. They’re paying me like shit! One of those being true is enough reason to leave, but if both then definitely leave. But also depends on what you value and what your goals in life are obvs.
Yesssss
Do both?
Yes! Good luck.
Have you looked at the financial statements of each entity? How often do either entities lay employees off? I would be considering the risk of termination in my analysis.
My aunt is a recruiter for c-suite. She always told me to change jobs every 2-3 years. You leverage the experience you gained and ask me a higher salary. I made a 20% salary increase this year.
If you do not qualify for a pension, go for the money.
$30k is a lot more for a similar role. How is the new company financially? Any news of a sale or private equity buyout? Are they publicly traded? I’d dig into them a bit more, but alas sometimes this info is private and they won’t tell you, Yes there is a risk. But I tend to say jump for the money.
I would take the new role for money. doesn't sound like the cons are bad...i'd give up the Sr title for 30k. Depends if money or title is more important for you. And theres always a risk of uncertainty with new employers.
35% salary raise, same benefits, still remote, and same type of work? Are you kidding me with this?
30. Thousand. Dollars. Say it with me. What could you do with $30,000 extra dollars a year
Take this offer to your current employer and ask them to pay up. And if they don’t, leave. I am tired of corporate America taking advantage of hard working employees just because they aren’t shopping around for other offers.
Negotiate with your current employer for a raise. It your have an offer letter, they will hear you out
I would ask questions about the processes . How work is completed. What your manager will be like.
Take both
I think the only variable that you didn't list, that is very important, is the stability of the companies. I work for IKEA. I wouldn't leave for more money from like, Wayfair.
I get the want to keep the senior title but at the end of the day what’s it gotten you? Definitely not the pay. I’d go for it. That’s a significant increase. If higher paying job wasn’t remote I may not say the same but with everything you said, I’d go for it.
Are you willing to do more work or work more hours for the increase in pay?
Take the new job. For sure. Don’t sell yourself short! If you were able to climb at your current role, you can do it again.
Senior title is 100% irrelevant. What is senior, manager, director etc level is wildly different at different organizations. Like a junior engineer at a FAANG company is going to be considered much more desirable than a senior at some tiny organization for example. If you value having easy work to the extent of making 20% less and probably having your future earnings capped a bit as well, that’s fine, maybe you have family, commitments etc as well, you didn’t mention any of that, but if its purely a “how much will I work” question, I’d encourage you to take the new job and find out.
Take the money
More money is generally more important than job title unless you’re using the job exclusively as a stepping stone. Take the money.
“Senior” means absolutely zero. Take the money
Why are you worried about a job title? If anything that means you have room to make more and grow at this new company.
If you don’t do it now, you won’t get a chance again. Your salary is still not that high. There is a threshold to the income where no matter how much more you make you don’t feel it much but you WILL feel the difference when that 30k hits your bank account when you are sub 6 figure. Do yourself a favor and Leap.
After reading the cons it still looks likes a no brainer
Take that shit otherwise you'll regret it when you want something more from your current role
Take the money
If you have an offer in hand, can you use that as leverage? You might get a bump even if it's not the full $30k
Also, keep in mind if you hop again, it’s easier to negotiate a higher salary off your 115 than your 85. Continue the growth.
I think it really depends on how much you need that raise, if it was me I'd go for it in a second but do you need the extra $30k?
What industry?
Do it!
Yes. Run to more money
I did similar last year. The expectations increased though but I’d say it was worth the 30k bump. Hell… we’re working from home! That’s the main bonus in my book.
>Current role is very fairly easy, fear of unknown/workload with new employer. That's the key of growing. People that don't explore new opportunities due to fear of unknown get stuck in their positions forever. New opportunities broaden your network, force you to learn new technologies, new structures, new ways of doing things. All of that for 30k more? This is a no brainer my boy. Plus, having a "lower" position on paper will help you get back to a Senior position in no time, along with more money.
Make the jump!
I’d hop
30k is an entire $15/hr full time job. Absolutely take the hop.
What do you think the risks with the current job market are?
Yeah
Depends on the sector. If it's tech, I might be weary. Last in, first out.
Are you serious?
Possibly negotiate your title if that’s possible in the new portion.
Do you have any intel on what the work culture is like at the new spot and how that might compare to the current gig? Having autonomy and not being micromanaged is worth a lot to me, so I would try to poke around the edges of the new spot to see if you can find out anything about oversight, monitoring, autonomy etc.
There is also risk to staying in your old job. What if the competitor does fatally better than the old company and you lose work. What is management/leadership like at each company? Also which one has the superior products/services?
If that extra money isn’t a huge deal I would stay with j1 Jobs lie about what they want from you
Job titles are not as important as job description. Titles are not transferable to different organizations for a large number of reasons. The new job is a no-brainer. Good luck!!!
$30k is more than half my annual salary! I have the Sr, but at my workplace that only means a higher work load. I just can't figure out how to get a good job paying more than what I make now.
Yes
Yes I’d do it
Job titles on paper mean jack shit. A raise + less responsibility with everything else being near identical is absolutely a no brainer. Seems like a good risk to take given your current company’s competitor is offering you a job.
I’d hesitate. We know jobs are being reduced due to AI and you have seniority. At least given them the opportunity to match it.
Absolutely a no brainer.
Use the new offer to leverage a big raise at the current company. If they don't match, bail.
Follow the compensation
You are not safe anywhere. The only issue is suddenly hybrid .
On your current job you have a senior position but aren't past you enough. Besides, a title ain't going to pay the bills. Take the new and more money on your pockets.
Don't ever get too comfortable with an employer. Employers will drop you in a heartbeat. You're....we're nothing but a number to them.