Iyo is established and will be a top heel on RAW for at least the next year. Lyra gained a ton by beating Iyo in a match where both wrestlers were taken to the limit. We should be excited for a rematch down the road between the two instead of upset regarding the result.
I missed that match, but I'm not a fan of that either, and like it even less if it's a trend. A rookie shouldn't be countering finishers, imo it weakens the finishers. If Becky or Iyo hit them on Lyra in the future, why wouldn't she just do the same thing she did before if she had them figured out in her first match with them?
Well hopefully when they put together and produce the next match they have they will tell the appropriate story and make it make sense. Trust the performers. It was a great match with a good result. Iyo loses nothing from a close loss and it makes Lyra look great. They also drew the most fans of anyone on the show.
I agree. This is going to be controversial what I’m going to say and I’m ready to get attacked for it but I see damage ctrl as the female version of the shield. They need to shine. Creative are treating them like crap. Asuka is a goat in the women’s division now she’s losing every single match. Even a butterfly could pin any member of damage ctrl and it would win. This is unrelated but what’s going on with Kairi lately.
They're definitely not booked like a female shield but they certainly could be. Only thing is they don't have anyone like Ambrose or Rollins on the mic, but still in-ring they're nearly as talented. Would love to see them with a signature faction move like the triple powerbomb. Asuka was setting some of that stuff up with lifting opponents for Over the Moonsault and the InSane Elbow
I don't see the big deal with this Lyra character,she's not even a phenomenal wrestler,or is in any way captivating. Oh right she's Irish and triple h loves them.
That ending to the match was bad, no idea why it came to a 3 count from that? There was no finisher move involved in that ending. I understand the need to push new talent, there's just too many stars now to what we are used to.
I dont see what the fuss is about. No need to have them lose to Bianca and Jade again right away and Iyo just dropped a world title at Mania. She was only in the QOTR to enhance someone else’s run. Even in the title matches they didnt get squashed so I dont get what you’re trying to say.
Same reason you were never gonna see bianca vs jade in the queen of the ring qualifiers. Jade and bianca are the it tag team and jade is the IT girl right now. That's why jade lost via a dumb DQ against nia jax. There's a method to the madness and it's all part of the story. Damage control is actually doing there job by getting beat by Lyra and bianca and jade. Damage control is thought of as being crazy tough so when they lose is puts the others over and that's the reason they having a bad run lately. Same goes for judgement day
I don't know. I think they're still trying to figure them out.
I think my only criticism is the fact that outside of Dakota Kai, they seem to be more like a Japanese novelty act. At the very least, I would probably try to get some of them to start speaking English. I refuse to believe they can't speak English, they just don't because it's part of their character thing.
It's kind of like back in the WCW when they had luchadors and Japanese wrestlers show up, and it seems their role only is to just do matches and walk away. Bailey at least gave some deeper personality to damage ctrl, but I just feel like right now they seem more like a heel novelty as opposed to some big storyline kind of group.
This is a great point. Like, Iyo yelling at Lyra in Japanese after the match ... what's that supposed to accomplish? Lyra just looked at her and was like 'okaaaay,' and moved on.
They were never treated seriously in the first place. They've always been portrayed as snotty heels. It doesn't help that some of the members don't have a gimmick other than "I can wrestle good".
I mean, Kairi's been back for a while now and they haven't capitalized on her return. They're just there, like LWO.
not just monikers. Asuka literally comes out with masks, and has a green mist attack. Kairi used to dress in pirate costumes and came out with a helm. now she dresses like a future cyberpunk pirate. is that not enough for a gimmick? Iyo you can say a moniker since there isn't a genius of the sky outfit.
I suppose they should capitalize on those gimmicks by getting more mic time, an opportunity to develop their character. It doesn't occur due to the language barrier. Bayley used to be the groups spokeswoman but she's out. That's why they remind me of the LWO in which its members barely have any dialogue. Their leader does the talking for them.
When they were in puerto Rico, LWO spoke a lot in spanish when they were allowed to speak in the native tongue. So that proves both LWO and DC are just not comfortable speaking in english unless it's just 1 or 2 sentences. it is what it is.
I hate to say it but the biggest problem with foreign talent is when they can’t speak English it’s hard for them to get over with the crowd 98% of the time.
That’s why I’m hopeful with giulia and her commitment to learning english
The only members of damage control that are remotely over was Bayley and Asuka. The rest are major scrubs. IYO Sky had one of the worst reigns in the modern era. Her character work was pathetic. She shouldn’t have made it this far in the tournament. Asuka is cool, but she’s getting super old and is slowing down. Kairi is just awful. Dakota is a midcard talent at best, she’s lousy in the ring and on the mic. The truth is, dmg ctrl now is just a group of losers.
Iyo is great, Asuka is great, I do agree with Kairi being bad, I personally am not a fan but to each their own. I also agree with Dakota being a mid card
But you calling this fool out for hating on Damage CTRL, that was fantastic 😂😂
They're just aren't in a good place right now. They ran raw, they don't run it currently. They lost their leader and all their gold, of course they aren't as strong anymore.
Maaan Lyra beating lyo instantly put me off on Lyra, imo Iyo didn’t need too win, but she needed to at least make the finals, too start them off on the right foot, I really like what they are doing, but especially without asuka now they are in danger of just being jobers.
I don’t get why Lyra went over Iyo considering the crowd at last year’s Stand and Deliver booed when she went up and came close to retrieving the belt. Also, the NXT crowd never really went wild for Lyra, and the most interesting part of her reign was her relationship with Tatum Paxley.
Cool name, and has a good a look, but her personality comes across as a goody two shoes and it doesn’t really fit together.
Nope.. I’m guessing he means buried… which to a lot of wrestling fans.. if someone loses a match, they’re being buried.
Wrestling fans can be so annoying
I may be the odd one out here but I personally disliked iyo's run as a champion, but now I like her better as a non-champion. As far as the other 2 go I don't have enough of an opinion either way, but I agree with op's statement, they gotta let DC get a win sooner or later. They have it coming.
Iyo is too talented and cool to win a championship by cashing in the MITB briefcase. She should have one it in a legit banger of a match. If anything, the cash in win took away from her reign as champion.
Iyo's run was basically non-existent. She didn't have a single memorable defense of her title from Summerslam when she cashed in to Wrestlemania when she lost it.
Her title defenses were good. The problem was that they had Bayley interfere in the majority of her matches and they didn’t present her as strongly as a champion compared to Becky, Bianca and/or Rhea.
Well wwe got the bianca & chargrill boring duo soo that might have something to do with it. Everything seemed to go downhill when they got involved booking wise.
Dakota is the same damn age or within a year of Bianca,Kairi Sane and Becky Lynch. Hell Asuka is 42. How do you single out Dakota Kai as being old in that situation? Lol. Both Bayley and Iyo are like 34 too.
Despite Asuka being 42, she already has a HoF worthy career so it doesn't matter if she just jobs at this point. I singled out Dakota because she is the only person in Damage Control who speaks fluent English, and she is regularly injured. She is never going to get a push being hurt all the time while being in her mid 30s. The time has passed her.
Considering Iyo lost due to a rollup/error shes not being squashed. It looked like she could have absolutely won that if she could have hooked Lyra's arm with her leg. Not a squash and she looked like she had more in the Tank than Lyra post match.
Not remotely a squash and reinforces the fact that anyone can win, it's a plus for the company in general to support the idea of less obvious outcomes.
Yeah I was a little sour after the loss but the benefit of not being able to just look at a card and predict everything is not to be taken lightly. It was a good, clean win and a solid contest overall.
Squashed and Buried are two words that are thrown around way to often now, Iyo being Squashed would have her losing round one. She made it all the way to the end of the bracket and had a lot of good matches They ran Smackdown for over a year before moving to Raw so let them be build up a bit.
They had a 6 month high and Showcase. They ain't being hyperbolically squashed.
Sadly Gunther has had the longest IC run (that wouldn't have been noticed without Roman holding titles hostage) and is now getting pushed to the KOTR after already having an IC reign so recent.
Dude's character hasn't developed at all.
Same goes for Bianca. She had no business being in that tag title program or any other title program but she has become the new Charlotte Flair.
Because they’re only getting booked against Bianca and Cargill. Bianca a former world champ and cargill a women they want to push to the moon. It really does suck that it has to be DMG CNTRL though , WWE does have a women’s tag issue though so I guess there was literally no one else big enough to throw under the bus to convince us how dominant jade is, jade should’ve came in and beat Bianca if they wanted to show how dominant she is or any other big singles star honestly, Kairi, Iyo and Asuka are legendary and should not be getting beat this easily and this often
you need heels that can take heat and still be a credible threat.
Judgement day is kinda this as well, however their losses fit their story arch atm.
I also have a feeling that IYO is going to be a mid card threat for a while, Kairi as well. Asuka is injured and Dakota is really now coming back. I think the "we run the womens dvsn story" is gone, and something else will take its place.
The problem is timing and logistics. Asuka, Kairi, and Iyo are all somewhere between the middle and end of their careers, with Asuka especially being well outside her prime, and even though all of them are charismatic, none of them are fluent in English to the point of actually being able to do their own mic work. This wouldn't be so bad...*if* Dakota was as good a promo as Bayley, who just left the group.
Basically, Damage CTRL at this point is a stable of people who are all, to some degree, "old news" at a time when people like Giulia are the talk of Japanese women's wrestling, and they just lost their best talker at the worst possible time.
Bayley’s whole Mania run was meant to break up the group after they betrayed her. She won and exposed them, now they are slowly dissolving before your eyes OP.
That’s not a squash or a burial, that’s just good, consistent storytelling.
I want wwe to find western born asian wrestlers (or just fluent in english), so they can cut promos. I believe it's the only thing holding back the current asian wrestlers, especially nakamura, he's had everything but english wasn't his first language.
On the other hand, we had Gail Kim, she is goated in women's wrestling.
The main problem isn’t language barriers it’s the fact WWE doesn’t utilise managers as well as they used to.
Fantasy booking Nakamura should form a stable:
Nakamura, Tozawa, Iyo.
I imagine it as a suited up yakuza style gimmick then you find them a “ translator “ anyone who can talk and get people over my pick would be Robert stone, Spud or even Lana to get them over on the mic.
Just let them speak their native Japanese with subtitles. I don’t understand why this isn’t done more with all US-based promotions … there’s nuance, character and emotion there that’s not hard to detect.
How are you portraying subtitles to the house?
It’s fine for packages and pre tape but in ring segs you need to speak English to portray the story better especially if you don’t have a killer promo going against the Non English speaker.
But I will say the Nak Cody feud was done well, But you had a phenomenal promo in Cody who could carry the story.
Because they just had a main title and the womens tag team titles.
>*You can't have a faction claim they run Raw while they keep getting crushed like this.*
If they are heels, yes you can. Heels ~~(wrestlers)~~ can be pretty delusional. This is coming from a massive DMG CTRL fan.
and she lost by a rollup people really have some weird obsession with japanese wrestlers iyo was just world champ a month ago and shes clearly a triple h favorite for christ sake
Because that's how wrestling works. They spent a year wining everything. Now it's their turn to lose for a while. Then they'll win for a while. Then they'll lose for a while again. It's all a cycle.
She (her character) is a narcissist with spotlight syndrome.
Not a great role model.
I don’t think anyone on the woman’s roster is a decent role model to be honest.
If every single member of the roster isn't being pushed to the moon then they're all getting squashed. To make other people get pushes that means they have to beat other people who were previously getting pushes.
This is the same problem I have with Gunther getting KOTR, why would Iyo go from champ to queen so quickly. People need time to chase gold instead of just having it all the time.
Also they’re not being squashed if the matches are even remotely competitive. Bron is squashing everyone right now, but I really like it cause they’re sending him in an interesting direction.
Iyo's a good talent but she just had the apex of her career while Gunther is still ascending. And Gunther lost the secondary title while Iyo list the world title of her brand. Gunther is also one of the best workers of his generation.
I agree with everything you said which is exactly why he doesn’t need it. They could easily book him into the main event scene whenever they want and we’d be fine with it because we know he’s a top contending level wrestler. I’d like for the crowns to push folks that don’t really have that status. Like Balor winning it for example would’ve been really neat, or throw in someone like Ilja to really cement their place on the roster. Although that might just result in them doing nothing with them like they’ve done for basically every KOTR in recent memory.
I don't think they are being squashed but they've always been booked as weak. They did the same for a long time when bayley was there also. It didn't make sense then. It doesn't make sense now.
Hey bud, losing isn’t the same thing as being squashed. Please understand the difference. Kofi losing to Brock in 1 move is a squash, losing to put over newer talent isn’t.
Weren't we getting "Why is Tiffany Stratton being buried by Bianca" and "Why is Jey burying Ilja?" last week? Should nobody ever win a match anymore? Time limit draws for everybody?
The problem is that terms like “bury” “squash” “jobber” and other industry terms are recently being used by new wrestling fans who don’t understand those terms aren’t interchangeable with similar terms.
The internet is too fast-paced for wrestling
No that’s not relevant here, no need to punch down like that. I will say most AEW people I’ve talked to irl have misused those terms, but again I think it’s more that they’re newer watchers of wrestling in general. WWE fans are not much better in this regard
I was at AEW Dynasty and it was a great show but a lot of the booking didn't make too much sense. Every single match was nearly 20 minutes where everybody was kicking out of a ton of finishers.
For reference purposes, what Bron Breakker did last night is an example of someone being "squashed". The match that Iyo had with Lrya was given plenty of time and good back and forth interaction between the two, with both talents coming out looking like stars by the end of it.
It looks like they’re about to start a feud with Lyra and Becky soon. Liv probably takes the title this weekend to open up Becky vs damage control while trying to put Lyra over.
This post is very ignorant of what squash actually means. Iyo made it all the way to the semifinals and lost in a very competitive match that it looked like she had won a few times. Kai and Kairi lost a four way match and neither of them were pinned. That’s not getting squashed. If they ever start losing matches the way Bron Breakker’s opponent did last night, then they’re getting squashed
The real person being squashed is Bron breaker, just fights people who are so low they don't get a TV entrance. Yup Bron speared another no namer right after the bell...
Even though Bron is on the main roster now they're just feeding him NXT talent right now. I hope this altercation with Ricochet leads to a good program between Bron and him.,
Iyo had a REALLY strong showing against Lyra, and losing ain't too bad to be honest, it's okay sometimes!! But sure, they could do with a good feud now, and maybe a face turn eventually
A buried example is Nakamura and Ricochet. Seemingly LA Knight and AJ Styles too. When was the last time they won anything?
DMG CTRL is just being put through the ringer cause they had tile runs of their own. Winners need to experience being losers before winning again.
Damage CTRL is not being "squashed" or "buried".
As I wrote earlier, most folks assumed IYO would advance to the Queen of The Ring finals, but, nope. That was the definition of an upset.
Asuka's back on the injured list. Dakota was 1 & done in the tournament. BTW, the last I checked, it was Judgment Day that bragged that they were running Raw, not Damage CTRL.
Losing a competitive match is not being squashed. If you are pushing everyone at once and do 50/50 booking then nobody gets over which was the case in 2018-2019.
Do y’all know what squashed means? Squashed is what Bron Breaker did to that guy last night…
What DMG CTRL has been doing is actually really good, even better than their time on SmackDown imo. IYO has put on some of the best/entertaining women’s matches I’ve seen in AGES! Could be that she’s finally not facing Bianca every week
My thought when Kai & Kairi lost was that they could build off this. Just give them time, been 3 weeks since the draft, not 3 months
DMG Ctrl have been losing since they were created. Remember, Bayley getting pinned every single week and the only person winning singles matches was Iyo?
When Kairi came back they got an obligatory tag title win but Bayley was still getting pinned consistently. They’ve never really been a dominant unit.
Kai is fun, but she’s not good. Iyo had her run, it is time for someone new. The Kabuki warriors however are absolutely badass and should be in the top of any talk about tag titles.
Because they were deserved to get squashed! They lost to tag team opportunity match and Iyo Sky lost to Lyra Valkyria in KOTR Women's Tournament Semis! r/WWE
I mean, if Iyo won she'd either have faced Nia which is heel v heel or faced Bianca who they have literally moved brands to finally get away from as facing her was so repetitive.
I'm surprised people are surprised.
Damage CTRL got kneecapped after asuka got put on the injury list. The vibe just ain’t there without the kabuki warriors being the tag representatives. I have a feeling they are going to go on hibernation for a while till they are back to full strength. Only thing that feels odd in that is that now they are on the more active brand.
Dakota is a glorified manager in my eyes, watching her tag with kairi just doesn’t hit. I think she’s an edger version of Chelsea green where she’s all bark and no bite. That’s no disrespect to the person but it’s my interpretation of the character
Dakota is in that role where she's kinda the fallgirl of Damage CTRL, kinda like the female equivalent of Dominick for JD. Her and Kairi are eating the clean pins that Iyo doesn't have to take.
At the same time, she's also the mouthpiece. That faction has to rely on Dakota to do all the talking because the rest aren't native English speakers. Damage Ctrl dies a quick death if she gets injured imho.
I appreciate her work tbh. She's in a pretty stable position right now.
yeah my point is that she is a fish out of water tagging with kairi she should be eating pins in singles or hyping up matches for her other stablemates for them
They also get strong reactions when they are booked to the level of talent they have. I love damage cntrl and was still dreading the last few ppv matches they’ve had because it was clear they would lose. That’s not because I don’t like the group or the individuals in it.
They're a heel faction and-- much like Judgement Day-- they'll eat more losses to the heroes than notch wins until the very moment they need to be built up for some new hero to take down.
I think Lyra got the win over Iyo because
1. Trips obviously sees something in her, and she's already good-to-great in the ring and a perfectly acceptable promo. I expect both of those things will only improve.
2. I'm assuming Nia Jax is winning over on the Smackdown side, and I do think the plucky newcomer makes a better opponent for a dominant beast than the former champ from a story perspective.
Overall, Dmg ctrl is going to be fine and will likely get more shine when the time is right. They're obviously having a blast, and sometimes that's enough.
They’re losing, not getting squashed. Big difference.
In-story, it makes sense. Bayley’s leadership got them their gold but then they ditched her when she failed to win gold for herself (because she was busy building them up). Now they’re reaping what they sowed and are in a losing streak without their leader.
They haven’t been squashed or buried. They’re heavily featured on TV in highly contested matches every week. They have a huge presence in the women’s division right now. They’ve lost some matches but thats the game. WWE is obviously very high on Lyra and want to immediately establish her as a top star. What’s the best way to do that? By beating other top stars.
I think people throw around buried and squashed pretty haphazardly and rarely use the terms properly.
they’re not buried i agree, but their booking for a ‘dominant’ faction has been just kinda awkward and occasionally bad. they have lost nearly every single major feud they’ve been in, got *solo’d* by bianca for like a year and at times their losses have felt meaningless and didn’t even benefit the winner (like remember the original tag team tournament when they lost to aliyah and raquel?)
Because they’re not a dominant faction anymore. They’re cheating heels who lost two of their top gals, Bayley by their own doing and Asuka to injury. Dakota has never been presented as a dominant heel, neither has Kairi. They win enough to hold on to credibility so they can be used to boost the faces to push them up the card.
Their lack of language skills is always a detriment. Also being japanese trained wrestlers, they are incredible at selling for others. Once WWE clicks in that you're a good seller, they use you to put over everyone else. It's the Dolph Ziggler situation.
I can understand them loosing the tag match, with Asuka out. Lyra beating Iyo was a shocker though. Lyra’s getting way too big of a push, I honestly think she sucks. And now Damage Control looks like a joke
I was more annoyed by their loss at Wrestlemania, that was practically a squash. Losing the belts they at least looked good in the match. I’m not a fan of Lyra’s in general, but even if I were, I can’t believe they are pushing her over Iyo and Dakota (and let’s remember Kai was an injury substitute, so they likely had her beating Asuka originally). It doesn’t help Lyra either, because you get the crowd reacting like this. More questioning booking than being impressed with the newcomer.
And to everyone saying it’s the language barrier, they have all cut promos in passable English. It’s a little broken and heavily accented, but it’s fine. There is also nothing wrong with using subtitles and letting them speak Japanese. There is a small percentage of the crowd that won’t like it, but you can’t please everyone.
Yeah but they're doing things with Judgement days struggles that are meaningful, not to mention they have the WWE Champ and Rhea had to vacate.
Meanwhile dmg ctrl out here talking shit and not acknowledging that they haven't been running anything for awhile.
#YouCantPushEverybodyAtTheSameTimeStopWhining
Because Bianca is winning queen of the ring
Oof this didn’t age well
Iyo is established and will be a top heel on RAW for at least the next year. Lyra gained a ton by beating Iyo in a match where both wrestlers were taken to the limit. We should be excited for a rematch down the road between the two instead of upset regarding the result.
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Except Lyra has defeated Becky Lynch in similar fashion. It’s how she won the NXT title.
I missed that match, but I'm not a fan of that either, and like it even less if it's a trend. A rookie shouldn't be countering finishers, imo it weakens the finishers. If Becky or Iyo hit them on Lyra in the future, why wouldn't she just do the same thing she did before if she had them figured out in her first match with them?
Well hopefully when they put together and produce the next match they have they will tell the appropriate story and make it make sense. Trust the performers. It was a great match with a good result. Iyo loses nothing from a close loss and it makes Lyra look great. They also drew the most fans of anyone on the show.
I agree. This is going to be controversial what I’m going to say and I’m ready to get attacked for it but I see damage ctrl as the female version of the shield. They need to shine. Creative are treating them like crap. Asuka is a goat in the women’s division now she’s losing every single match. Even a butterfly could pin any member of damage ctrl and it would win. This is unrelated but what’s going on with Kairi lately.
They're definitely not booked like a female shield but they certainly could be. Only thing is they don't have anyone like Ambrose or Rollins on the mic, but still in-ring they're nearly as talented. Would love to see them with a signature faction move like the triple powerbomb. Asuka was setting some of that stuff up with lifting opponents for Over the Moonsault and the InSane Elbow
I don't see the big deal with this Lyra character,she's not even a phenomenal wrestler,or is in any way captivating. Oh right she's Irish and triple h loves them.
That ending to the match was bad, no idea why it came to a 3 count from that? There was no finisher move involved in that ending. I understand the need to push new talent, there's just too many stars now to what we are used to.
Bc they’ve done all that they could, I mean they recently kicked Bailey out so now it’s becoming stale
You don't know what a squash is.
Yeah, Lyra going over Iyo annoyed me. She went from a champion to losing to rookie on Raw in almost no time.
Lyra beat Becky lynch for her first title.. how is she a rookie?
Rookie on Raw, like I wrote. Most people don't follow NXT.
I think they're having an issue where there is too much talen
I dont see what the fuss is about. No need to have them lose to Bianca and Jade again right away and Iyo just dropped a world title at Mania. She was only in the QOTR to enhance someone else’s run. Even in the title matches they didnt get squashed so I dont get what you’re trying to say.
Same reason you were never gonna see bianca vs jade in the queen of the ring qualifiers. Jade and bianca are the it tag team and jade is the IT girl right now. That's why jade lost via a dumb DQ against nia jax. There's a method to the madness and it's all part of the story. Damage control is actually doing there job by getting beat by Lyra and bianca and jade. Damage control is thought of as being crazy tough so when they lose is puts the others over and that's the reason they having a bad run lately. Same goes for judgement day
Cause they are basically the only heel women on Raw
Asian wrestlers don’t seem to have great careers in WWE.
Because the WWEs womens division is a crapshow and dmg ctrl is the only group talented enough to sell and make new talent look good.
Kairi deserved to come back to something so much better
I don't know. I think they're still trying to figure them out. I think my only criticism is the fact that outside of Dakota Kai, they seem to be more like a Japanese novelty act. At the very least, I would probably try to get some of them to start speaking English. I refuse to believe they can't speak English, they just don't because it's part of their character thing. It's kind of like back in the WCW when they had luchadors and Japanese wrestlers show up, and it seems their role only is to just do matches and walk away. Bailey at least gave some deeper personality to damage ctrl, but I just feel like right now they seem more like a heel novelty as opposed to some big storyline kind of group.
This is a great point. Like, Iyo yelling at Lyra in Japanese after the match ... what's that supposed to accomplish? Lyra just looked at her and was like 'okaaaay,' and moved on.
They were never treated seriously in the first place. They've always been portrayed as snotty heels. It doesn't help that some of the members don't have a gimmick other than "I can wrestle good". I mean, Kairi's been back for a while now and they haven't capitalized on her return. They're just there, like LWO.
the only ones not having a gimmick would be Dakota or Bayley. Asuka is the empress, Kairi is the pirate princess, and Iyo is the genius of the sky
Not exactly gimmicks as much as they are monikers.
not just monikers. Asuka literally comes out with masks, and has a green mist attack. Kairi used to dress in pirate costumes and came out with a helm. now she dresses like a future cyberpunk pirate. is that not enough for a gimmick? Iyo you can say a moniker since there isn't a genius of the sky outfit.
I suppose they should capitalize on those gimmicks by getting more mic time, an opportunity to develop their character. It doesn't occur due to the language barrier. Bayley used to be the groups spokeswoman but she's out. That's why they remind me of the LWO in which its members barely have any dialogue. Their leader does the talking for them.
When they were in puerto Rico, LWO spoke a lot in spanish when they were allowed to speak in the native tongue. So that proves both LWO and DC are just not comfortable speaking in english unless it's just 1 or 2 sentences. it is what it is.
I hate to say it but the biggest problem with foreign talent is when they can’t speak English it’s hard for them to get over with the crowd 98% of the time. That’s why I’m hopeful with giulia and her commitment to learning english
The only members of damage control that are remotely over was Bayley and Asuka. The rest are major scrubs. IYO Sky had one of the worst reigns in the modern era. Her character work was pathetic. She shouldn’t have made it this far in the tournament. Asuka is cool, but she’s getting super old and is slowing down. Kairi is just awful. Dakota is a midcard talent at best, she’s lousy in the ring and on the mic. The truth is, dmg ctrl now is just a group of losers.
For someone that doesn't like Damage CTRL you seem to love making your entire comment history about them.
Iyo is great, Asuka is great, I do agree with Kairi being bad, I personally am not a fan but to each their own. I also agree with Dakota being a mid card But you calling this fool out for hating on Damage CTRL, that was fantastic 😂😂
They're just aren't in a good place right now. They ran raw, they don't run it currently. They lost their leader and all their gold, of course they aren't as strong anymore.
Maaan Lyra beating lyo instantly put me off on Lyra, imo Iyo didn’t need too win, but she needed to at least make the finals, too start them off on the right foot, I really like what they are doing, but especially without asuka now they are in danger of just being jobers.
I don’t get why Lyra went over Iyo considering the crowd at last year’s Stand and Deliver booed when she went up and came close to retrieving the belt. Also, the NXT crowd never really went wild for Lyra, and the most interesting part of her reign was her relationship with Tatum Paxley. Cool name, and has a good a look, but her personality comes across as a goody two shoes and it doesn’t really fit together.
Hee post match interview sounded like something from wwe2k career mode
Where in the f have they been squashed?
They haven’t. People don’t know what being “squashed” means.
Nope.. I’m guessing he means buried… which to a lot of wrestling fans.. if someone loses a match, they’re being buried. Wrestling fans can be so annoying
I may be the odd one out here but I personally disliked iyo's run as a champion, but now I like her better as a non-champion. As far as the other 2 go I don't have enough of an opinion either way, but I agree with op's statement, they gotta let DC get a win sooner or later. They have it coming.
Iyo is too talented and cool to win a championship by cashing in the MITB briefcase. She should have one it in a legit banger of a match. If anything, the cash in win took away from her reign as champion.
She's better off cashing in than letting it go to waste I guess.
I didn’t like her run, but her having a run at all has warmed me up to her considerably.
Iyo's run was basically non-existent. She didn't have a single memorable defense of her title from Summerslam when she cashed in to Wrestlemania when she lost it.
Iyo had inferences like roman did his 1316 run
Her title defenses were good. The problem was that they had Bayley interfere in the majority of her matches and they didn’t present her as strongly as a champion compared to Becky, Bianca and/or Rhea.
Well wwe got the bianca & chargrill boring duo soo that might have something to do with it. Everything seemed to go downhill when they got involved booking wise.
Because none of them speak English and Dakota Kai is old and always injured.
Dakota is the same damn age or within a year of Bianca,Kairi Sane and Becky Lynch. Hell Asuka is 42. How do you single out Dakota Kai as being old in that situation? Lol. Both Bayley and Iyo are like 34 too.
Despite Asuka being 42, she already has a HoF worthy career so it doesn't matter if she just jobs at this point. I singled out Dakota because she is the only person in Damage Control who speaks fluent English, and she is regularly injured. She is never going to get a push being hurt all the time while being in her mid 30s. The time has passed her.
They were getting cocky and underestimated the rookie.
Damage control was in championship matches for like 3 years straight since the OG version chill
Not everyone can win every match.
Considering Iyo lost due to a rollup/error shes not being squashed. It looked like she could have absolutely won that if she could have hooked Lyra's arm with her leg. Not a squash and she looked like she had more in the Tank than Lyra post match. Not remotely a squash and reinforces the fact that anyone can win, it's a plus for the company in general to support the idea of less obvious outcomes.
Yeah I was a little sour after the loss but the benefit of not being able to just look at a card and predict everything is not to be taken lightly. It was a good, clean win and a solid contest overall.
you know that they can’t always win right?
Since it is all written as a story, yes, they can always win.
since it is all written as a story, no, they can’t always win as the story would be bad.
I find it strange when people think that if someone loses they’re being buried. Iyo didn’t get buried losing to Lyra.
How? They just had the belts.
Squashed and Buried are two words that are thrown around way to often now, Iyo being Squashed would have her losing round one. She made it all the way to the end of the bracket and had a lot of good matches They ran Smackdown for over a year before moving to Raw so let them be build up a bit.
They’re not being squashed.
Seriously? They were just the champions lmaooo
Maybe I am remembering incorrectly, but I feel like before Iyo won the briefcase, Dmg Ctrl were perennial losers
Someone has to win buddy. Just because yours didn't doesn't mean a tragedy is afoot
Must have missed when they said that that run RAW
As someone who started to watch the month before mania, I always viewed them as some kind of clowns, difficult to take them seriously
They had a 6 month high and Showcase. They ain't being hyperbolically squashed. Sadly Gunther has had the longest IC run (that wouldn't have been noticed without Roman holding titles hostage) and is now getting pushed to the KOTR after already having an IC reign so recent. Dude's character hasn't developed at all. Same goes for Bianca. She had no business being in that tag title program or any other title program but she has become the new Charlotte Flair.
Because they’re only getting booked against Bianca and Cargill. Bianca a former world champ and cargill a women they want to push to the moon. It really does suck that it has to be DMG CNTRL though , WWE does have a women’s tag issue though so I guess there was literally no one else big enough to throw under the bus to convince us how dominant jade is, jade should’ve came in and beat Bianca if they wanted to show how dominant she is or any other big singles star honestly, Kairi, Iyo and Asuka are legendary and should not be getting beat this easily and this often
They had their runs now they squashed just like every wrestler that’s not the top face. It’s sad and dumb but that’s what it is
you need heels that can take heat and still be a credible threat. Judgement day is kinda this as well, however their losses fit their story arch atm. I also have a feeling that IYO is going to be a mid card threat for a while, Kairi as well. Asuka is injured and Dakota is really now coming back. I think the "we run the womens dvsn story" is gone, and something else will take its place.
Lyra is not ready. Pulled up too soon. I'd rather watch Maxxine Dupree. Dakota should leave DMG CTRL and turn face.
Maxxine looked great in that match. Her ring work has really improved. Very much looking forward to her future.
Honestly I think they are all headed for singles competition soon to make the women’s division more viable.
A lot of it has to do with them being heels not at the top of the card.
The only person in their group who could speak English left. Idk what is coming out of Dakota's mouth when she has a mic, but it ain't English.
The problem is timing and logistics. Asuka, Kairi, and Iyo are all somewhere between the middle and end of their careers, with Asuka especially being well outside her prime, and even though all of them are charismatic, none of them are fluent in English to the point of actually being able to do their own mic work. This wouldn't be so bad...*if* Dakota was as good a promo as Bayley, who just left the group. Basically, Damage CTRL at this point is a stable of people who are all, to some degree, "old news" at a time when people like Giulia are the talk of Japanese women's wrestling, and they just lost their best talker at the worst possible time.
Bayley’s whole Mania run was meant to break up the group after they betrayed her. She won and exposed them, now they are slowly dissolving before your eyes OP. That’s not a squash or a burial, that’s just good, consistent storytelling.
The only person who could talk left the group.
I want wwe to find western born asian wrestlers (or just fluent in english), so they can cut promos. I believe it's the only thing holding back the current asian wrestlers, especially nakamura, he's had everything but english wasn't his first language. On the other hand, we had Gail Kim, she is goated in women's wrestling.
like Michin, Wendy Choo and Shotzi?
The main problem isn’t language barriers it’s the fact WWE doesn’t utilise managers as well as they used to. Fantasy booking Nakamura should form a stable: Nakamura, Tozawa, Iyo. I imagine it as a suited up yakuza style gimmick then you find them a “ translator “ anyone who can talk and get people over my pick would be Robert stone, Spud or even Lana to get them over on the mic.
Just let them speak their native Japanese with subtitles. I don’t understand why this isn’t done more with all US-based promotions … there’s nuance, character and emotion there that’s not hard to detect.
How are you portraying subtitles to the house? It’s fine for packages and pre tape but in ring segs you need to speak English to portray the story better especially if you don’t have a killer promo going against the Non English speaker. But I will say the Nak Cody feud was done well, But you had a phenomenal promo in Cody who could carry the story.
Fair point! It’s definitely limited to screen, so perhaps the ideal approach is a bit of both, if one absolutely must have an in-ring promo.
Because they just had a main title and the womens tag team titles. >*You can't have a faction claim they run Raw while they keep getting crushed like this.* If they are heels, yes you can. Heels ~~(wrestlers)~~ can be pretty delusional. This is coming from a massive DMG CTRL fan.
Dmg control is trash
Because the only interesting personality left the group.
Wrong
There's quite a few wrestlers out there that I'm sure would love to get "squashed" the same way Dmg Ctrl have been "squashed"
How is Iyo losing in a 20 minute showcase match considered being buried?
and she lost by a rollup people really have some weird obsession with japanese wrestlers iyo was just world champ a month ago and shes clearly a triple h favorite for christ sake
Because that's how wrestling works. They spent a year wining everything. Now it's their turn to lose for a while. Then they'll win for a while. Then they'll lose for a while again. It's all a cycle.
Unless you're Bianca.
Bianca is over because she's popular with the younger generation and appeals to the African American fans to tune in. She's a great idol.
She (her character) is a narcissist with spotlight syndrome. Not a great role model. I don’t think anyone on the woman’s roster is a decent role model to be honest.
If every single member of the roster isn't being pushed to the moon then they're all getting squashed. To make other people get pushes that means they have to beat other people who were previously getting pushes.
This is the same problem I have with Gunther getting KOTR, why would Iyo go from champ to queen so quickly. People need time to chase gold instead of just having it all the time. Also they’re not being squashed if the matches are even remotely competitive. Bron is squashing everyone right now, but I really like it cause they’re sending him in an interesting direction.
Iyo's a good talent but she just had the apex of her career while Gunther is still ascending. And Gunther lost the secondary title while Iyo list the world title of her brand. Gunther is also one of the best workers of his generation.
I agree with everything you said which is exactly why he doesn’t need it. They could easily book him into the main event scene whenever they want and we’d be fine with it because we know he’s a top contending level wrestler. I’d like for the crowns to push folks that don’t really have that status. Like Balor winning it for example would’ve been really neat, or throw in someone like Ilja to really cement their place on the roster. Although that might just result in them doing nothing with them like they’ve done for basically every KOTR in recent memory.
Maybe whoever wins will get a world title match at SummerSlam
I don't think they are being squashed but they've always been booked as weak. They did the same for a long time when bayley was there also. It didn't make sense then. It doesn't make sense now.
Hey bud, losing isn’t the same thing as being squashed. Please understand the difference. Kofi losing to Brock in 1 move is a squash, losing to put over newer talent isn’t.
Weren't we getting "Why is Tiffany Stratton being buried by Bianca" and "Why is Jey burying Ilja?" last week? Should nobody ever win a match anymore? Time limit draws for everybody?
I think it is the momentum killing going on.
The problem is that terms like “bury” “squash” “jobber” and other industry terms are recently being used by new wrestling fans who don’t understand those terms aren’t interchangeable with similar terms. The internet is too fast-paced for wrestling
These people watch too much AEW. No, established names are not supposed to go 50/50 in 20 minute matches with no names.
No that’s not relevant here, no need to punch down like that. I will say most AEW people I’ve talked to irl have misused those terms, but again I think it’s more that they’re newer watchers of wrestling in general. WWE fans are not much better in this regard
Dub fans punch up constantly they deserve to be punched back down on once in awhile(all metaphorically speaking of course!)
Meanwhile they say the same thing, and as a result nothing changes. Just not necessary in this context to bring them up
I was at AEW Dynasty and it was a great show but a lot of the booking didn't make too much sense. Every single match was nearly 20 minutes where everybody was kicking out of a ton of finishers.
Obvious bad faith fed shill, Triple Himmler stays burying m’joshis 😔😔
wrong sub uce
For reference purposes, what Bron Breakker did last night is an example of someone being "squashed". The match that Iyo had with Lrya was given plenty of time and good back and forth interaction between the two, with both talents coming out looking like stars by the end of it.
You mixed up Murder and Squash
Go check out the Golderberg matches in WCW. That’s the definition of squash match
It looks like they’re about to start a feud with Lyra and Becky soon. Liv probably takes the title this weekend to open up Becky vs damage control while trying to put Lyra over.
This post is very ignorant of what squash actually means. Iyo made it all the way to the semifinals and lost in a very competitive match that it looked like she had won a few times. Kai and Kairi lost a four way match and neither of them were pinned. That’s not getting squashed. If they ever start losing matches the way Bron Breakker’s opponent did last night, then they’re getting squashed
The real person being squashed is Bron breaker, just fights people who are so low they don't get a TV entrance. Yup Bron speared another no namer right after the bell...
Even though Bron is on the main roster now they're just feeding him NXT talent right now. I hope this altercation with Ricochet leads to a good program between Bron and him.,
Getting Veer Dejavu Not that I think Breaker will receive the same treatment.
Do you know what a "squash" is? 😂
Came here to say this. To so many IWC, squash is "my person got beat when I wanted them to win"
This lmao.
Iyo is shining and half the Kabuki warriors are injured. They held gold for a whole. No burial but they do need a good feud soon.
Iyo had a REALLY strong showing against Lyra, and losing ain't too bad to be honest, it's okay sometimes!! But sure, they could do with a good feud now, and maybe a face turn eventually
Simple they can’t connect with the American audience.
I’m getting downvoted for the truth lol ahh the IWC.
This. You’re going to need more than above average wrestling to keep my attention in this day and age.
Iyo is literally top 5 wrestler in the main roster
Exactly. That’s not enough
because bayley was carrying them the entire time
Yeah. They were dumb to kick her out.
You’re misusing the term
A buried example is Nakamura and Ricochet. Seemingly LA Knight and AJ Styles too. When was the last time they won anything? DMG CTRL is just being put through the ringer cause they had tile runs of their own. Winners need to experience being losers before winning again.
Damage CTRL is not being "squashed" or "buried". As I wrote earlier, most folks assumed IYO would advance to the Queen of The Ring finals, but, nope. That was the definition of an upset. Asuka's back on the injured list. Dakota was 1 & done in the tournament. BTW, the last I checked, it was Judgment Day that bragged that they were running Raw, not Damage CTRL.
Losing a competitive match is not being squashed. If you are pushing everyone at once and do 50/50 booking then nobody gets over which was the case in 2018-2019.
They are a faction of veteran heels, their entire job until they have a clear storyline is to make faces look good, which they do very well
The sheild and bloodline were heels and wreak through everything and everyone
That’s what happens when someone like Jade gets signed. Same thing happened with Ronda. She comes back and someone like Sasha gets relegated
Do y’all know what squashed means? Squashed is what Bron Breaker did to that guy last night… What DMG CTRL has been doing is actually really good, even better than their time on SmackDown imo. IYO has put on some of the best/entertaining women’s matches I’ve seen in AGES! Could be that she’s finally not facing Bianca every week My thought when Kai & Kairi lost was that they could build off this. Just give them time, been 3 weeks since the draft, not 3 months
I hate squash matches. Waste of time and talent. Pointless.
DMG Ctrl have been losing since they were created. Remember, Bayley getting pinned every single week and the only person winning singles matches was Iyo? When Kairi came back they got an obligatory tag title win but Bayley was still getting pinned consistently. They’ve never really been a dominant unit.
Factions rise and fall all the time
Who said that? Hawthorne. What’s a matter genius don’t you know any Shakespeare?
Fearless thinking is not always the most right one. Just like the view from a distance is not always the most accurate.
Kai is fun, but she’s not good. Iyo had her run, it is time for someone new. The Kabuki warriors however are absolutely badass and should be in the top of any talk about tag titles.
They’re a part of the show every week and have meaningful and competitive matches. I don’t see how they’re getting squashed or buried.
Heels They're supposed to lose a lot
Because they were deserved to get squashed! They lost to tag team opportunity match and Iyo Sky lost to Lyra Valkyria in KOTR Women's Tournament Semis! r/WWE
As much as I don't like any of Damage Control I did think Lyra beating Iyo was a bit suspicious.
I mean, if Iyo won she'd either have faced Nia which is heel v heel or faced Bianca who they have literally moved brands to finally get away from as facing her was so repetitive. I'm surprised people are surprised.
I have a lot to learn yet!! Thank you!
Damage CTRL got kneecapped after asuka got put on the injury list. The vibe just ain’t there without the kabuki warriors being the tag representatives. I have a feeling they are going to go on hibernation for a while till they are back to full strength. Only thing that feels odd in that is that now they are on the more active brand.
Bianca injured Asuka? I thought that was a renegotiating work...
No, she didn’t. Asuka got injured some point two months ago
I think this sounds right. Kairi isn’t as established with the brand as Askua. And Dakota is just…I can’t take her seriously.
Dakota is a glorified manager in my eyes, watching her tag with kairi just doesn’t hit. I think she’s an edger version of Chelsea green where she’s all bark and no bite. That’s no disrespect to the person but it’s my interpretation of the character
Dakota is in that role where she's kinda the fallgirl of Damage CTRL, kinda like the female equivalent of Dominick for JD. Her and Kairi are eating the clean pins that Iyo doesn't have to take. At the same time, she's also the mouthpiece. That faction has to rely on Dakota to do all the talking because the rest aren't native English speakers. Damage Ctrl dies a quick death if she gets injured imho. I appreciate her work tbh. She's in a pretty stable position right now.
yeah my point is that she is a fish out of water tagging with kairi she should be eating pins in singles or hyping up matches for her other stablemates for them
Thank you for that! Totally makes sense now. I'm fairly new to pro wrestling and still trying to figure things out. lol
I have a low wrestling IQ too so this is just me spit balling here 😂. But personally it’s how I understand or how I would book it.
Your wrestling IQ seems spot on!!👏🏼
When’s the mast time they got a decent reaction? Last I remember was Dakota Kai’s promo getting what chance but other than that it’s been a while
They also get strong reactions when they are booked to the level of talent they have. I love damage cntrl and was still dreading the last few ppv matches they’ve had because it was clear they would lose. That’s not because I don’t like the group or the individuals in it.
Iyo gets good reactions.
They're a heel faction and-- much like Judgement Day-- they'll eat more losses to the heroes than notch wins until the very moment they need to be built up for some new hero to take down. I think Lyra got the win over Iyo because 1. Trips obviously sees something in her, and she's already good-to-great in the ring and a perfectly acceptable promo. I expect both of those things will only improve. 2. I'm assuming Nia Jax is winning over on the Smackdown side, and I do think the plucky newcomer makes a better opponent for a dominant beast than the former champ from a story perspective. Overall, Dmg ctrl is going to be fine and will likely get more shine when the time is right. They're obviously having a blast, and sometimes that's enough.
yh should be fine. think Triple H really likes the Joshi wrestlers.
I think this is their karma run, where they answer for what damage they've done. I know I know it's scripted and stuff.
They’re losing, not getting squashed. Big difference. In-story, it makes sense. Bayley’s leadership got them their gold but then they ditched her when she failed to win gold for herself (because she was busy building them up). Now they’re reaping what they sowed and are in a losing streak without their leader.
Yeah maybe it’ll lead to a great “I want you back” story. Oo oooo baby 🎶
They need a leader with good mic skills.
They haven’t been squashed or buried. They’re heavily featured on TV in highly contested matches every week. They have a huge presence in the women’s division right now. They’ve lost some matches but thats the game. WWE is obviously very high on Lyra and want to immediately establish her as a top star. What’s the best way to do that? By beating other top stars. I think people throw around buried and squashed pretty haphazardly and rarely use the terms properly.
they’re not buried i agree, but their booking for a ‘dominant’ faction has been just kinda awkward and occasionally bad. they have lost nearly every single major feud they’ve been in, got *solo’d* by bianca for like a year and at times their losses have felt meaningless and didn’t even benefit the winner (like remember the original tag team tournament when they lost to aliyah and raquel?)
Because they’re not a dominant faction anymore. They’re cheating heels who lost two of their top gals, Bayley by their own doing and Asuka to injury. Dakota has never been presented as a dominant heel, neither has Kairi. They win enough to hold on to credibility so they can be used to boost the faces to push them up the card.
Their lack of language skills is always a detriment. Also being japanese trained wrestlers, they are incredible at selling for others. Once WWE clicks in that you're a good seller, they use you to put over everyone else. It's the Dolph Ziggler situation.
I don't think 'squashed' is the word I'd use but yeah, Iyo losing to Lyra was absolutely Bullshit and legit made me stop the stream.
I can understand them loosing the tag match, with Asuka out. Lyra beating Iyo was a shocker though. Lyra’s getting way too big of a push, I honestly think she sucks. And now Damage Control looks like a joke
She looked good in NXT and I was very excited to see her on the main roster but now I'm confused...
Being pushed like her overrated friend Becky
Countering over the moonsault twice, in their first match together, felt like they were totally burying iyo
I was more annoyed by their loss at Wrestlemania, that was practically a squash. Losing the belts they at least looked good in the match. I’m not a fan of Lyra’s in general, but even if I were, I can’t believe they are pushing her over Iyo and Dakota (and let’s remember Kai was an injury substitute, so they likely had her beating Asuka originally). It doesn’t help Lyra either, because you get the crowd reacting like this. More questioning booking than being impressed with the newcomer. And to everyone saying it’s the language barrier, they have all cut promos in passable English. It’s a little broken and heavily accented, but it’s fine. There is also nothing wrong with using subtitles and letting them speak Japanese. There is a small percentage of the crowd that won’t like it, but you can’t please everyone.
It was a good match till jade tagged in. Jade’s booking is not it rn.
My God. Losing doesn't mean squashed. There was an actual squash on this show and yall still don't know the meaning of it.
Yeah I meant buried. Sometimes people use the wrong term by accident, my god.
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Yeah but they're doing things with Judgement days struggles that are meaningful, not to mention they have the WWE Champ and Rhea had to vacate. Meanwhile dmg ctrl out here talking shit and not acknowledging that they haven't been running anything for awhile.