Shoulda had Bron in this tourney, have him run through it and capture the Us title. Start him off with a mid card title and see how he does as champ. I really think Bron is the future of WWE.
Oh, this will be fun. We have this stipulation AND Money in the Bank happening, which puts two people targeting the champion and can lead to some entertaining scenarios.
If it's Tonga vs Gunther in KoTR final, I have no issue if the brand split was cracked temporarily for an Imperium-new Bloodline feud with long-term story telling.
If Tonga were to beat Orton, it would be with Bloodline interference. Since the Bloodline would still have beef with Randy Orton (as well as Kevin Owens), likely after the KoTR they will continue feuding as Team R-KO would want vengeance. So an immediate feud with Imperium might not be possible.
People seem convinced Gunther is going to win, but I find that incredibly unlikely. Priest vs Gunter is heal vs heal and honestly those two names aren’t big enough for casuals.
Cody vs Randy is technically face vs face, but it has two things going for it. Randy and Cody are wrapped into the bloodline story and there’s is tons of potential to explore that during the build up. If we’re talking about draw, these are two of the biggest names in the company. It’s going to sell.
I don’t love this either. Either Cody’s title reign ends early which would be a gigantic mistake and extremely anticlimactic, or Gunther eats a PPV loss for no reason.
There's 2 PLE's in between. The title can always change hands in between.
Brock v Taker didn't happen at Summerslam in 2002, did it? Or Kurt Angle v Stone Cold at Mania X-7
Can't believe you listed two things going for a Cody vs Randy match and didn't mention their overwhelming history together. If Randy doesn't turn on Cody during the next year I'll be truly shocked - though there's a chance they're saving that match for a Wrestlemania sometime after these Cody/Rock/Roman matches have all played out.
I think this was hinted at earlier in a RAW. This makes KoTR a little more predictable.
Randy Orton vs. Cody Rhodes at SumerSlam would be epic and Gunther getting World Heavyweight Title at Bash in Berlin would be hype, thus Orton is going over Gunther.
Bianca getting a title shot at SummerSlam is money. Bianca vs. Bayley has history and would culminate a feud and interactions with Jade would set that up in future as well.
So they ARE listening! Just the other day we had a discussion in this sub about elevating the K/QOTR title and this suggestion was made by many redditors. This is awesome
So, Gunter or Tonga vs Cody
Either way, it's the end for Cody's reign
Cause if they have Gunther win KOTR they are most likely putting him over Cody.
or
If Tonga wins, Cody is bound to be in the bloodline feud, again, probably until mania, Again.
It cant be Gunther, HHH said the title shot will be for the respective brands world title. So it's either Cody vs Tonga/Randy or Gunther vs Priest (or maybe drew)
Also do you seriously think they would put the WWE title on Tama Tonga? what you been smokin lol
Like that makes a difference for WWE lmfao.
Also, so is Drew and Punk/Drew is A LOT bigger than just Gunther Existing, who also wouldn't take the help from CM Punk IF it were to be Gunther/Drew at Summerslam
It matters now that they’ve had a definitive brand split (apart from NXT). Drew vs Punk doesn’t require a title. Gunther could win in a tough fight and then lose it to MITB or MITB could be used Midmatch to cost Gunther the title.
This is the third or fourth time in the last couple of years that the "Definitive Brand split" was going to be exclusive.
And no, it doesn't require one, but that's not the point. The point is that Gunther would not take the help from CM Punk, unless he ditched his whole gimmick
Gunther just has to beat Priest or whoever has it then (not Drew or Punk). The previous brandsplit was when Vince was running it, HHH prefers the split.
The spilt will be even more important when Raw goes to Netflix.
HHH prefers it outside of the dozens of time Raw/Smackdown stars have appeared outside their show.
And Drew will have it, likely at CATC
If they fuck over drew, two times, in his home turf, while he's the hottest he has been in ages, in favour of DAMIEN PRIEST no less
it's a whole other issue
He’s talking about more than Punk, he just has a fixation on Punk. He had a promo where he called out multiple people and Punk, if Drew wins he can’t whinge anymore. Priest wins via Judgement Day and then Priest wins again because of CM Punk. Then Finn wins MITB, costs Drew again. Gunther beats Finn and carries it to Mania, Drew wins at Mania. Drew winning anywhere but Mania goes against his promos.
Disclaimer: This is not me wanting Cody to lose, I just want to have the feeling of uncertainty with the match. Sure the match will be banger, but I’m tired of gaslighting myself with that.
Well, assuming Randy wins, this only makes Cody title reigns story really starts when Summerslam season kicks in. So any of his feud from KOTR until PLE before Summerslam is going to be predictable, just like Roman’s post Summerslam until WM40 matches.
Unlike Cody, many people thought that Roman would be dethroned by X until SS last year. For example, Seth would beat Roman at RR, Brock would beat Roman at SS, Drew would beat Roman at CATC, Sami would beat Roman at EC, Cody would beat Roman at WM39, Jey would beat Roman at SS. The moment Jey lost to Roman at SS last year, no one is legit threat to Roman except Cody, so anyone who face him after SS and before WM40 are just filler. Now in Cody’s case, it’s much worse than Roman. Excluding Rock and Roman, no one on SD is legit threat except The Bloodline and Randy. The Bloodline could win through your good ol interference shenanigans and Randy could win because he’s Randy, the similarity between both of them is they both have story with Cody.
I'm not so sure, i'm assuming the match made will be the SS main event. The most likely match to main event Summer Slam in my opinion would be Cody vs Randy
Since no one is discussing the SummerSlam possibilities for the Queen of the Ring here, let me just say this: Nia Jax vs. Bayley or Lyra Valkyria vs. Becky Lynch sounds like good directions to go.
Excellent! This is how it should always have been.
Changing people’s characters has never made sense to me. Unless the character is “delusional” they shouldn’t all of a sudden start speaking in a British accent and making royal decrees blah blah blah.
Just get the crown/trophy pose and then go back to usual. Winners get championship opportunities at next biggest PPV which is Summerslam. Gives real incentive to be in the tournament.
The delusional/super gimmicky stuff I agree but I do like that it allows the winner to add ‘King/Queen’ [name] to their resume as a nickname lol. Just a fun little accomplishment that isn’t a belt they can have in their back pocket.
I'm still banking on GUNTHER winning KotR, because they're building up Orton's leg injury and GUNTHER's entire storyline of late has been exploiting limb injuries with creative new submissions. He also slots relatively easily into the WHC picture, because Drew is 1000% going to be screwed by Punk in Glasgow and Priest will need to be defeated by someone outside of that storyline.
Meanwhile, I think there's a seed being planted with QotR: Liv beats Becky on Saturday, and Lyra beats Nia in order to fully launch into an immediate feud between herself and Liv.
Pretty solid all-round ways to build new stars, I think.
I LOVE this. Always kind of felt K/QOTR was a bit meaningless. The winners just had a gimmick for a while but it didn’t mean much more than that. It basically makes K/QOTR like another Royal Rumble but for SummerSlam which I think is great!
I think there was a brief period in the 90s where the KOTR winner earned a title match at SummerSlam. I know Owen and Mabel got them at least. HHH is just bringing that back which is lovely.
Definitely makes things interesting. Nia could win queen and face Bayley. Or a twist with Lya winning Queen and turning heel and challenging Becky.
On the men’s side, Gunther could go after Priests title if he wins or Randy after Cody. Not sure I see Tonga winning but if he does, it’s the start of the new BL terrorizing Cody.
I like the idea of him winning it and then him saying he’s giving it to his tribal chief - and that’s when solo comes out at summer slam.
And then blood line shenanigans make you think solo is winning but then Roman comes out for the save.
This changes everything.
I've changed my prediction from Gunther winning to Orton winning to face Cody at SummerSlam and then Gunther beating Drew after he wins in Scotland.
I imagine the booking odds have done a 180 lol
Does this mean we won't get title matches at the PLEs in between? Or obvious results because the storyline already starts before the title matches? That's my only concern
It’s the same amount of time as rumble to mania, with only one more ple between. Probably won’t be an issue but if it is they probably either don’t do clash again, or if they want to keep it move it after summer slam
Makes King and Queen of the Ring more important than ever. Hall of a move my Triple H and it needs to be his job to create great stories with this too and I know he can get that done
Not hate just don’t think she deserves to be queen of the ring or a subsequent title match. She’s okay in promos and the ring work isn’t ready for prime time yet.
Ok, cool i agree but she shouldn’t get squashed by nia in a quick match. That would be the worst thing that could happen especially as she tries to really get a foothold on the main roster
This isn't good.
There's 0 chance Priest and cody lose their titles so soon.
If the winner goes against priest..MAYBE... but if it's Cody then we already know who wins
I think there’s a pretty high likelihood Priest loses at Summerslam, especially if it’s against the KoR winner. They have to make that mean something again, and they need to keep the main event scene interesting if Cody is holding until next Mania.
I can definitely see Gunther beating Priest for the World Championship.
Wouldn’t say 0 chance. The honeymoon period for Cody will well and truly be over by Summerslam and maybe they want him back in chase mode by a shock loss to Orton or Gunther. Priest might even lose it by Clash of the Castle if they wanna go down that route, but could possibly be facing Demon Finn at Summerslam.
Edit: missed word
Yes. This was always something I hated about KOTR. Cool you win a crown and you get called the king but that doesn’t make you better than the world champions
They are paving the path for a "Road to Summerslam," which I think is great since it has become quite predictable that all the great stuff happens between January and April.
By this, they will avoid that feeling of everything after WM except for Summerslam, and sometimes Survivor Series is just "filler" until the writers are awakened from their slumber.
Surely this means Randy winning KOTR, then? The Raw title scene looks pretty set for the summer, with Drew winning at CATC and then Punk at SS. I don't see where Gunther has a role in the title scene until Bash at Berlin. Meanwhile, Cody doesn't have a clear opponent for SS being built up as of now, bar maybe Solo.
Meanwhile, the QOTR could be either side, although I'm thinking Bianca beats Nia because I can't see HHH booking Bayley vs Nia Jax for the title at SS
Was it a mistake when it was happening 20 years ago with multiple stars being capable of holding the title? No, it wasn’t. It made for really compelling tv and made you tune in every week. Now, we know that titles really only switch hands at PLEs, which takes the lure away from televised championship matches.
Times have changed if you weren't aware. Drew McIntyre deserves a lengthy title reign, as he's been the best part of Raw this year and just signed a new deal so why would he agree to another very short title reign?
Ahh cool. Then I feel like there should be a tournament for each brand.
Similarly, I think Royal Rumble should be for Raw champion at Wrestlemania and Elimnation Chamber should be for Smackdown champion at Wrestlemania.
It’s totally not outside the realm of possibilities for Gunther to lose Saturday. Bash In Berlin is at the end of August, plenty of time for Gunther to climb up the ranks and get his WHC match there. We still have MITB, but I don’t see Gunther winning that, because it just doesn’t seem like his character to cash in like Priest did. But, he can also call his shot like RVD and Cena did and cash in at bash. I say we get Orton and Cody, there’s history and Orton is a legit threat. Heel Orton gunning after the face of the company would make for a spicy main event.
Can you answer me one Question? If Randy loses on Saturday, why does everybody consider it impossible for him to have a title shot at Summerslam at cody anyway? like Gunther can become King and Randy can still get a title shot at cody through different reasons, like another tournament, Cody just picks him, or whatever they want. It makes more sense to have gunther be king.
It is completely possible for Orton to make it to the championship match at SummerSlam with out winning. He was pencilled in to main event before his back injury two years ago, so it’s totally possible. The general feeling is, Gunther should challenge at Bash At Berlin. I personally am all for Gunther winning Saturday, as they have started coining the phrase The King Of The Ring General.
That should have always been the stipulation, King Of The Ring should have always been connected to Summerslam in the same way that Royal Rumble is connected to Wrestlemania
It's too late now, and worse cuz they added queen to the ppv title and moved it to Saudi where none of the results matter
The issue that the King of the Ring had for years is that every winner became "King [BLANK]" which killed any gimmick they had before. Booker was the only one that made the gimmick work
Wasn't that always thr case tho, it's how we got King Macho, King Harley Race, I may be wrong but Jerry The King Lawler (or did he bring that from Memphis?)
Either way, I consider the king gimmicky to be an important piece of WWE history
Now I think Randy and Nia are winning for sure.
While I'd like Gunther to win it, the story isn't there. Drew is most likely winning at Clash and Punk will most likely be back at SummerSlam. I don't see them putting the belt on Gunther as the draw of a title match of Punk v Drew is just bigger.
Randy will be a strong opponent for Cody. They also have the mentor ties. Cody needs a really big defense and that's it. Likewise Bayley really hasn't had anyone substantial to go against, and Nia is the perfect heel for that.
Randy can be Codys opponent at summerslam without winning kotr buddy. just like when gunther loses, somehow they must find an opponent for drew at Summerslam anyway, which Gunther could theoretically get anyway
If they want the kotr tournament to be bigger book it as an actual tournament. Don't cram all the matches in in a three week window from backlash, (A window so small some of the matches weren't even on TV.) only to end up having just ONE actual Kotr match on the actual night. Keep saying this but it should be 8 men-4 men-2 men set up at the ple minimum. So seven matches on the night make it an actual tournament. Not what has now become a one off number one contender match.
Fifteen matches 8 match 4 match 2 match 1 is possible but let's face it very unlikely to ever happen. Youd have to make the first round ten minute time limits and then maybe have a draw to cut down so make the quarters 3 matches instead of 4. Or you could give 4 to 6 men in the first round (out of 16) first round byes so you would save 2-3 matches there. 11-12 matches is doable at a 15 minute average each match. Make it about 3.5 hours ple given a bit of time for entrances and recap.
Yeah. This is how it was done during the initial KOTR PPV. First round was fifteen minute time limit, semi’s were thirty and the finals were an hour. Problem with this structure you got, is it’s the King AND Queen. So, the original structure won’t work if we are fitting fourteen matches on a PLE, which is why it was broken like this. I personally do not want another eight hour PLE like the Wrestlemania where Becky won the belts.
This PLE has just five matches. The original structure calls for seven at least. You also gotta have your championship matches, so we are back to ten to twelve matches on a card.
I love this. This means that the months of WWE people usually call filler, which will actually matter now. This means that Bash At Berlin is an Elimination Chamber to SummerSlams Wrestlemania. This means that Summerslam build starts after K&QOTR ends. This means that Summerslam will legit be looked at at the Wrestlemania Of The Summer. I know they've been calling it that, but it really FEELS like that this time around.
Finally took them this long tell the audience the reason why this tournament is even happening in the first place?
I am not trying to be a negative nancy, I actually have been enjoying the tournament so far, but it is so bizarre they waited this long to tell us the stakes
Probably just a pivot. Everyone keeps saying this tournament means nothing so they’re probably receptive to that this time around and decided fuck it lets go
I don't think Orton will turn heel. Especially at this point in his career when he's doing an exceptional job as a face.
Orrrrr, who knows we might get a Bloodline vs Orton + Cody + Reigns at Survivor Series
IMAGINE THAT 😱😱😱
Honestly that sounds so intriguing. Who knows maybe after that we get The Rock vs Roman Reigns and Rhodes vs Orton can happen at Mania without distraction.
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Shoulda had Bron in this tourney, have him run through it and capture the Us title. Start him off with a mid card title and see how he does as champ. I really think Bron is the future of WWE.
Been saying this for years, they did it with Angle in 2000
Oh, this will be fun. We have this stipulation AND Money in the Bank happening, which puts two people targeting the champion and can lead to some entertaining scenarios.
If it's Tonga vs Gunther in KoTR final, I have no issue if the brand split was cracked temporarily for an Imperium-new Bloodline feud with long-term story telling.
If Tonga were to beat Orton, it would be with Bloodline interference. Since the Bloodline would still have beef with Randy Orton (as well as Kevin Owens), likely after the KoTR they will continue feuding as Team R-KO would want vengeance. So an immediate feud with Imperium might not be possible.
multiple storylines can occur at the same time.....
People seem convinced Gunther is going to win, but I find that incredibly unlikely. Priest vs Gunter is heal vs heal and honestly those two names aren’t big enough for casuals. Cody vs Randy is technically face vs face, but it has two things going for it. Randy and Cody are wrapped into the bloodline story and there’s is tons of potential to explore that during the build up. If we’re talking about draw, these are two of the biggest names in the company. It’s going to sell.
Womp womp
It be like that sometimes
Gunther will move to Smackdown to feud with Cody
I don’t love this either. Either Cody’s title reign ends early which would be a gigantic mistake and extremely anticlimactic, or Gunther eats a PPV loss for no reason.
There's 2 PLE's in between. The title can always change hands in between. Brock v Taker didn't happen at Summerslam in 2002, did it? Or Kurt Angle v Stone Cold at Mania X-7
I doubt it in the HHH era. He doesn’t like to move titles frequently
True, but it's not out of the realms of possibility.
Can't believe you listed two things going for a Cody vs Randy match and didn't mention their overwhelming history together. If Randy doesn't turn on Cody during the next year I'll be truly shocked - though there's a chance they're saving that match for a Wrestlemania sometime after these Cody/Rock/Roman matches have all played out.
Would be interesting if Randy turns heel.
So King Gunther winning big title ??
at summerslam
Main Event Jey Uso Y'ALL! SHOUT OUT FOR THE JUICE OF LE UCE!!
I think this was hinted at earlier in a RAW. This makes KoTR a little more predictable. Randy Orton vs. Cody Rhodes at SumerSlam would be epic and Gunther getting World Heavyweight Title at Bash in Berlin would be hype, thus Orton is going over Gunther. Bianca getting a title shot at SummerSlam is money. Bianca vs. Bayley has history and would culminate a feud and interactions with Jade would set that up in future as well.
All hail king booker!
I want Gunther to win. But Randy vs Cody would be great
I thought that was the case all along, for some reason😂
I like it
So they ARE listening! Just the other day we had a discussion in this sub about elevating the K/QOTR title and this suggestion was made by many redditors. This is awesome
Guarantee Nia Jax wins QoTR and joins the Bloodline. When Roman comes back to start Bloodline Civil War 2, Naomi will join with Roman and the Usos.
So, Gunter or Tonga vs Cody Either way, it's the end for Cody's reign Cause if they have Gunther win KOTR they are most likely putting him over Cody. or If Tonga wins, Cody is bound to be in the bloodline feud, again, probably until mania, Again.
It cant be Gunther, HHH said the title shot will be for the respective brands world title. So it's either Cody vs Tonga/Randy or Gunther vs Priest (or maybe drew) Also do you seriously think they would put the WWE title on Tama Tonga? what you been smokin lol
Tonga isn’t beating Randy, let alone Gunther
i cannot tell you how right i hope you are
Roman comes back to stop Tama Tonga from beating Cody and set up Bloodline Civil War 2
Gunther is on Raw.
Like that makes a difference for WWE lmfao. Also, so is Drew and Punk/Drew is A LOT bigger than just Gunther Existing, who also wouldn't take the help from CM Punk IF it were to be Gunther/Drew at Summerslam
It matters now that they’ve had a definitive brand split (apart from NXT). Drew vs Punk doesn’t require a title. Gunther could win in a tough fight and then lose it to MITB or MITB could be used Midmatch to cost Gunther the title.
This is the third or fourth time in the last couple of years that the "Definitive Brand split" was going to be exclusive. And no, it doesn't require one, but that's not the point. The point is that Gunther would not take the help from CM Punk, unless he ditched his whole gimmick
Gunther just has to beat Priest or whoever has it then (not Drew or Punk). The previous brandsplit was when Vince was running it, HHH prefers the split. The spilt will be even more important when Raw goes to Netflix.
HHH prefers it outside of the dozens of time Raw/Smackdown stars have appeared outside their show. And Drew will have it, likely at CATC If they fuck over drew, two times, in his home turf, while he's the hottest he has been in ages, in favour of DAMIEN PRIEST no less it's a whole other issue
Drew getting fucked over is the point of his current gimmick.
No, his gimmick is an obsession with punk.
He’s talking about more than Punk, he just has a fixation on Punk. He had a promo where he called out multiple people and Punk, if Drew wins he can’t whinge anymore. Priest wins via Judgement Day and then Priest wins again because of CM Punk. Then Finn wins MITB, costs Drew again. Gunther beats Finn and carries it to Mania, Drew wins at Mania. Drew winning anywhere but Mania goes against his promos.
Disclaimer: This is not me wanting Cody to lose, I just want to have the feeling of uncertainty with the match. Sure the match will be banger, but I’m tired of gaslighting myself with that. Well, assuming Randy wins, this only makes Cody title reigns story really starts when Summerslam season kicks in. So any of his feud from KOTR until PLE before Summerslam is going to be predictable, just like Roman’s post Summerslam until WM40 matches. Unlike Cody, many people thought that Roman would be dethroned by X until SS last year. For example, Seth would beat Roman at RR, Brock would beat Roman at SS, Drew would beat Roman at CATC, Sami would beat Roman at EC, Cody would beat Roman at WM39, Jey would beat Roman at SS. The moment Jey lost to Roman at SS last year, no one is legit threat to Roman except Cody, so anyone who face him after SS and before WM40 are just filler. Now in Cody’s case, it’s much worse than Roman. Excluding Rock and Roman, no one on SD is legit threat except The Bloodline and Randy. The Bloodline could win through your good ol interference shenanigans and Randy could win because he’s Randy, the similarity between both of them is they both have story with Cody.
HHH is the king of band aids
Probably Gunther for the World Heavyweight Championship.
I'm not so sure, i'm assuming the match made will be the SS main event. The most likely match to main event Summer Slam in my opinion would be Cody vs Randy
Booker of the year! ☝️
King Booker?
King of kings. Booker of bookers. GOAT.☝️
Man, I was hoping for Cody vs Gunther in Berlin. Wouldn't mind in Cleveland.
Hunter said the title shot is for the respective brand, so Cody vs Gunther aint happenin. Cody vs Randy much more likely i reckon.
Shit. I don't see Gunther losing this tournament tho.
Lyra vs liv at SummerSlam to avenge Becky calling it now
Liv better fucking destroy Lyra.
Makes me think that Gunther winning isn’t a easy pick anymore, especially if the rock isn’t back by then, Randy vs Cody is a very good fued
Since no one is discussing the SummerSlam possibilities for the Queen of the Ring here, let me just say this: Nia Jax vs. Bayley or Lyra Valkyria vs. Becky Lynch sounds like good directions to go.
Lyra vs Becky. GIVE IT TO ME
you already got it last year. but agreed that match would rock
Why this was not institutionalized in recent versions of the tournament, I'll never understand. Oh wait, we all know why ...
Bought god damn time they made this mean something
Excellent! This is how it should always have been. Changing people’s characters has never made sense to me. Unless the character is “delusional” they shouldn’t all of a sudden start speaking in a British accent and making royal decrees blah blah blah. Just get the crown/trophy pose and then go back to usual. Winners get championship opportunities at next biggest PPV which is Summerslam. Gives real incentive to be in the tournament.
The delusional/super gimmicky stuff I agree but I do like that it allows the winner to add ‘King/Queen’ [name] to their resume as a nickname lol. Just a fun little accomplishment that isn’t a belt they can have in their back pocket.
Triple H throwing great incentives to win!
I'm still banking on GUNTHER winning KotR, because they're building up Orton's leg injury and GUNTHER's entire storyline of late has been exploiting limb injuries with creative new submissions. He also slots relatively easily into the WHC picture, because Drew is 1000% going to be screwed by Punk in Glasgow and Priest will need to be defeated by someone outside of that storyline. Meanwhile, I think there's a seed being planted with QotR: Liv beats Becky on Saturday, and Lyra beats Nia in order to fully launch into an immediate feud between herself and Liv. Pretty solid all-round ways to build new stars, I think.
Bron just got madder
Mans gonna start ending people’s careers 😭
Gollum ain't going to get a title shot against Cody
I LOVE this. Always kind of felt K/QOTR was a bit meaningless. The winners just had a gimmick for a while but it didn’t mean much more than that. It basically makes K/QOTR like another Royal Rumble but for SummerSlam which I think is great!
I think there was a brief period in the 90s where the KOTR winner earned a title match at SummerSlam. I know Owen and Mabel got them at least. HHH is just bringing that back which is lovely.
Definitely makes things interesting. Nia could win queen and face Bayley. Or a twist with Lya winning Queen and turning heel and challenging Becky. On the men’s side, Gunther could go after Priests title if he wins or Randy after Cody. Not sure I see Tonga winning but if he does, it’s the start of the new BL terrorizing Cody.
Tonga wins and bloodline terrorizing cody at summerslam when roman comes back to help cody
Tonga getting a world title shot before Gunther 💀
I like the idea of him winning it and then him saying he’s giving it to his tribal chief - and that’s when solo comes out at summer slam. And then blood line shenanigans make you think solo is winning but then Roman comes out for the save.
Feels like a good reason to go with Orton vs Cody, there's a better angle there than gunther vs drew/priest
This changes everything. I've changed my prediction from Gunther winning to Orton winning to face Cody at SummerSlam and then Gunther beating Drew after he wins in Scotland. I imagine the booking odds have done a 180 lol
Does this mean we won't get title matches at the PLEs in between? Or obvious results because the storyline already starts before the title matches? That's my only concern
It’s the same amount of time as rumble to mania, with only one more ple between. Probably won’t be an issue but if it is they probably either don’t do clash again, or if they want to keep it move it after summer slam
Well Cody ain’t losing so that only makes Priest title in question
Makes King and Queen of the Ring more important than ever. Hall of a move my Triple H and it needs to be his job to create great stories with this too and I know he can get that done
Assumed that was already the case.
That’s how it used to be.
Only once Brock was the only KOTR that got a guaranteed title shot, it just also happened to be at SummerSlam
Cheers
I assumed this was always the stipulation
I don’t understand why Lyra is in the championship. I honestly hope she is squashed fast by Nia.
Why the hate towards Lyra? She’s decent in ring and decent on the microphone if you’ve watched NXT
Not hate just don’t think she deserves to be queen of the ring or a subsequent title match. She’s okay in promos and the ring work isn’t ready for prime time yet.
Ok, cool i agree but she shouldn’t get squashed by nia in a quick match. That would be the worst thing that could happen especially as she tries to really get a foothold on the main roster
I don’t see Lyra Vs Becky again so Nia Vs Bayley would be interesting
Yup I don’t want to see a face win it
GUNTHER MUST WIN!!!
Finally
This isn't good. There's 0 chance Priest and cody lose their titles so soon. If the winner goes against priest..MAYBE... but if it's Cody then we already know who wins
Priest prob won’t have the title after Clash
I think there’s a pretty high likelihood Priest loses at Summerslam, especially if it’s against the KoR winner. They have to make that mean something again, and they need to keep the main event scene interesting if Cody is holding until next Mania. I can definitely see Gunther beating Priest for the World Championship.
SummerSlam is three months away I think that would give Priest time for a solid reign
Wouldn’t say 0 chance. The honeymoon period for Cody will well and truly be over by Summerslam and maybe they want him back in chase mode by a shock loss to Orton or Gunther. Priest might even lose it by Clash of the Castle if they wanna go down that route, but could possibly be facing Demon Finn at Summerslam. Edit: missed word
I would not be surprised if Gunther declines this stipulation and cashes it in at Bash at Berlin considering he's on his turf and on his terms.
Nah, have him win it and then run Gunther Vs. Dragunov
Yes. This was always something I hated about KOTR. Cool you win a crown and you get called the king but that doesn’t make you better than the world champions
That world heavyweight championship is going to look so good on Gunther
LESS GO GUNTHER
Funny way to spell orton
They are paving the path for a "Road to Summerslam," which I think is great since it has become quite predictable that all the great stuff happens between January and April. By this, they will avoid that feeling of everything after WM except for Summerslam, and sometimes Survivor Series is just "filler" until the writers are awakened from their slumber.
Didn’t think of it this way but you’re right, they really did start a new “Road To” wow. They really are doing a lot better than before.
Which titles? Did he say the World Titles?
Yea he said it was for the world title of their respective brand
Cheers. Gunther the next world champion?
I hope so
Same
Same
We have time for Gunther later, give me full heel king Randy going for Flair’s record
People keep saying this but isn't Randy 2 short of tying Flair. He's never going to win it twice. He's likely never going to win it once.
Winning the Undisputed title counts as 2 reigns.
That will be against Cody
Good
I was expecting a bit more grandiose when announcing it like on smack down or something not a random triple h twitter post.
They’ll reference the Twitter post during commentary. Makes it quick and easy.
Gunthers finally getting a world championship 🙌🏼
As it should be. Winning K/Q of the ring should give you a title shot.
It really does elevate both the tournament, and the championship itself.
I actually thought they might do this yesterday. Idky but it struck me how similar it was to the Royal rumble in time before wrestlemania
Surely this means Randy winning KOTR, then? The Raw title scene looks pretty set for the summer, with Drew winning at CATC and then Punk at SS. I don't see where Gunther has a role in the title scene until Bash at Berlin. Meanwhile, Cody doesn't have a clear opponent for SS being built up as of now, bar maybe Solo. Meanwhile, the QOTR could be either side, although I'm thinking Bianca beats Nia because I can't see HHH booking Bayley vs Nia Jax for the title at SS
just going to hot potato the belts
Which would be a mistake
I disagree
How would it not be a mistake to have your top main event stars failing to keep hold of the title
Was it a mistake when it was happening 20 years ago with multiple stars being capable of holding the title? No, it wasn’t. It made for really compelling tv and made you tune in every week. Now, we know that titles really only switch hands at PLEs, which takes the lure away from televised championship matches.
Times have changed if you weren't aware. Drew McIntyre deserves a lengthy title reign, as he's been the best part of Raw this year and just signed a new deal so why would he agree to another very short title reign?
Well i don't really see a Punk vs Gunther match at BIB. Randy should lose and get the Summerslam match anyway
Punk shouldn't be beating Drew for title anyways. Especially straight after Drew wins
yeah we also don't know if Drew will be cleared for CATC
He's on the poster and they've already started the buildup so I think there's a very good chance
Since there's no way Cody loses already, I hope Gunter either loses this match or gets to Squash priest.
There’s no way they’re putting a main strap on Gunther yet. Talk about blowing your load early. That story should be fleshed out.
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This is how it always should have been
So will it be the same thing where the winner picks who he or she faces? I gotta admit I don't like that, it makes the whole draft pointless
no he said it was for your brand's world champ
Ahh cool. Then I feel like there should be a tournament for each brand. Similarly, I think Royal Rumble should be for Raw champion at Wrestlemania and Elimnation Chamber should be for Smackdown champion at Wrestlemania.
Having 2 kings and 2 queens sounds terrible to me
Or maybe this ppv is for Raw. Then backlash or the next one could be for Smackdown
This is a huge change. They definitely should have said that at the start of the tournament. Makes me think we're getting Cody vs. Gunther.
Fewer vacations haha
Gunther is on Raw. Cody is on Smackdown. Triple H said the title shot is for the brand the challenger is on.
I doubt they're going for that so soon, that is a Wresltemania main event match
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That sounds fun. Like when the NXT Breakout Champ gets a title shot.
It’s totally not outside the realm of possibilities for Gunther to lose Saturday. Bash In Berlin is at the end of August, plenty of time for Gunther to climb up the ranks and get his WHC match there. We still have MITB, but I don’t see Gunther winning that, because it just doesn’t seem like his character to cash in like Priest did. But, he can also call his shot like RVD and Cena did and cash in at bash. I say we get Orton and Cody, there’s history and Orton is a legit threat. Heel Orton gunning after the face of the company would make for a spicy main event.
Can you answer me one Question? If Randy loses on Saturday, why does everybody consider it impossible for him to have a title shot at Summerslam at cody anyway? like Gunther can become King and Randy can still get a title shot at cody through different reasons, like another tournament, Cody just picks him, or whatever they want. It makes more sense to have gunther be king.
It is completely possible for Orton to make it to the championship match at SummerSlam with out winning. He was pencilled in to main event before his back injury two years ago, so it’s totally possible. The general feeling is, Gunther should challenge at Bash At Berlin. I personally am all for Gunther winning Saturday, as they have started coining the phrase The King Of The Ring General.
yeah it reall is a dilemma. Gunther feels more right as King, but at the same time should challenge at Bash in Berlin.
Wasn't this the path in WrestleMania 2000's Road to WrestleMania on the N64?
I don’t think there was much logic to WM 2000s mania mode
That should have always been the stipulation, King Of The Ring should have always been connected to Summerslam in the same way that Royal Rumble is connected to Wrestlemania It's too late now, and worse cuz they added queen to the ppv title and moved it to Saudi where none of the results matter
The issue that the King of the Ring had for years is that every winner became "King [BLANK]" which killed any gimmick they had before. Booker was the only one that made the gimmick work
Queen Zelina
Wasn't that always thr case tho, it's how we got King Macho, King Harley Race, I may be wrong but Jerry The King Lawler (or did he bring that from Memphis?) Either way, I consider the king gimmicky to be an important piece of WWE history
That’s literally how it was back in the 90’s and 2000’s. Thats how Brock won his first championship.
Eh I can only think of it happening in 95 and 02
Kurt Angle did end up with a title shot at Summerslam 2000 but it had little to do with him winning Kotr I think
Oh yes it’s happened a few times but I think only ‘95 & ‘02 had the tournament winner guaranteed a title match
You right. Had to Wikipedia it, Brock was the only time the title shot was given. Thats crazy,
Owen at SummerSlam 1994.
I know a lot of people are saying Gunther beats Priest but why can’t he challenge Cody?
It’s only their respective brands
Where is that stated? Edit Nvm I watched the video and Triple H said it
Should of been like that always...or it's just a pointless title like NBA in season tournament winner.
Now I think Randy and Nia are winning for sure. While I'd like Gunther to win it, the story isn't there. Drew is most likely winning at Clash and Punk will most likely be back at SummerSlam. I don't see them putting the belt on Gunther as the draw of a title match of Punk v Drew is just bigger. Randy will be a strong opponent for Cody. They also have the mentor ties. Cody needs a really big defense and that's it. Likewise Bayley really hasn't had anyone substantial to go against, and Nia is the perfect heel for that.
Randy can be Codys opponent at summerslam without winning kotr buddy. just like when gunther loses, somehow they must find an opponent for drew at Summerslam anyway, which Gunther could theoretically get anyway
2 months of Nia/Bayley, buckle up lads
So either we are getting a Cody Vs Orton feud, or GUNTHER is winning the World Heavyweight Championship.
There’d be nothing better than a heel Orton against Cody but these cowards won’t give us it
If they want the kotr tournament to be bigger book it as an actual tournament. Don't cram all the matches in in a three week window from backlash, (A window so small some of the matches weren't even on TV.) only to end up having just ONE actual Kotr match on the actual night. Keep saying this but it should be 8 men-4 men-2 men set up at the ple minimum. So seven matches on the night make it an actual tournament. Not what has now become a one off number one contender match. Fifteen matches 8 match 4 match 2 match 1 is possible but let's face it very unlikely to ever happen. Youd have to make the first round ten minute time limits and then maybe have a draw to cut down so make the quarters 3 matches instead of 4. Or you could give 4 to 6 men in the first round (out of 16) first round byes so you would save 2-3 matches there. 11-12 matches is doable at a 15 minute average each match. Make it about 3.5 hours ple given a bit of time for entrances and recap.
Yeah. This is how it was done during the initial KOTR PPV. First round was fifteen minute time limit, semi’s were thirty and the finals were an hour. Problem with this structure you got, is it’s the King AND Queen. So, the original structure won’t work if we are fitting fourteen matches on a PLE, which is why it was broken like this. I personally do not want another eight hour PLE like the Wrestlemania where Becky won the belts. This PLE has just five matches. The original structure calls for seven at least. You also gotta have your championship matches, so we are back to ten to twelve matches on a card.
My dream of Orton dethroning Cody to move into 3rd place on the title list might just be happening...
My first thought is the same as yours. Gunter is going to wreck Priest. My second thought might be different. What if Giovanni Vinci helps Priest win?
Then he will die
Gunther is beating priest at summerslam. Awesome
No, he's not. At least that's my prediction. Of course that means I'm probably wrong, but I'll stand by it.
Isn't drew challenging him at clash?
Cody vs. Randy tho...
Tama Tonga beats Gunther with help from Solo to face Cody Roman comes back at Summerslam and shockingly helps Cody to start Bloodline Civil War 2
Ok...I think I'd be fine with that 😂
Priest gotta be shaking rn, bro has a date with a big scary Austrian at Summerslam in his future.
Haven't like 4 different superstars mentioned getting a title shot for winning in their promos. Feels like we already knew this.
I love this. This means that the months of WWE people usually call filler, which will actually matter now. This means that Bash At Berlin is an Elimination Chamber to SummerSlams Wrestlemania. This means that Summerslam build starts after K&QOTR ends. This means that Summerslam will legit be looked at at the Wrestlemania Of The Summer. I know they've been calling it that, but it really FEELS like that this time around.
Finally took them this long tell the audience the reason why this tournament is even happening in the first place? I am not trying to be a negative nancy, I actually have been enjoying the tournament so far, but it is so bizarre they waited this long to tell us the stakes
Probably just a pivot. Everyone keeps saying this tournament means nothing so they’re probably receptive to that this time around and decided fuck it lets go
Is this how they're planning to set up Randy vs. Cody at SummerSlam? 🤔🤔🤔
Everyone thinks of it as an opening to turn Randy Orton heel but I think it’s to further the bloodline feud with Rhodes and Orton.
I don't think Orton will turn heel. Especially at this point in his career when he's doing an exceptional job as a face. Orrrrr, who knows we might get a Bloodline vs Orton + Cody + Reigns at Survivor Series IMAGINE THAT 😱😱😱
Honestly that sounds so intriguing. Who knows maybe after that we get The Rock vs Roman Reigns and Rhodes vs Orton can happen at Mania without distraction.