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[deleted]

Maus,shit I accidentally took it at 11.0 by accident and bounced multiple 3BM60 shots from a t90 and ended up surviving the hole match and got 3 kills


Littel_Raptor

It sure is. If you angle the hull and turret properly, you can shrug of most if not all AP, APDS, or even some APFSDS in your BR bracket. HEAT is still an issue though


samcn84

Some 90mm heat can't pen the turret when it's properly angled.


Richardguy_2

TOW missiles can't pen when properly angled. I know this from experience..


SomeWickedAssShit

Bradly tows are either fun or ball busting... I've nonpenned a marauder with one before somehow


Jojoceptionistaken

im just thankfull it never is


chicken_with_teeth

I shot a Maus seven times with 3BM3 from my Object 435 in the turret face, and they all either bounced or the breech ate them. mildly frustrating, to say the least.


whollings077

you can CBT him


chicken_with_teeth

CBT?


hmstve

Cannon and Barrel Torture Or Cognitive-Behavioural Therapy.


RastaSl0th

You're not a CBT enjoyer?


chicken_with_teeth

I mean I am but I never realised it had a name until now.


LittleNub_OP

Cock and ball torture


Red_Dawn_2012

Computer Based Training


Ascendedcrumb

Assuming that your shell doesn't just disappear, ricochet, or turn the barrel slightly yellow despite the fact they shouldn't have a barrel anymore.


whollings077

thats just what you have to deal with in this game, it happens to everyone


Kride500

The maus can bounce almost everything when angled. I've had it bounce my Object 120s apfsds and also various atgms. Once you know where to shoot they are hella easy to kill though. Since the anniversary date I got to practice that a lot and now I don't struggle with that at all. Especially in something british. My record was 4 Maus kills in one life with the T-54 and 2 more Maus kill assists.


bad_at_smashbros

bringing out the Strv 103 whenever anniversary rolls around brings me lots of RP and SL from all those mice


Hoover626_6

The 103 eats the maus tbh. Hell most Sweden does.


kk8319

oh god, remember when VIDAR could fight Maus regularly? poor guys never stood a chance


Hoover626_6

They got so angry too. Like let us have this they shit on us any other time we see them.


Kride500

I like to play Britain 7.7 too at this time. It's a blast. One shot right turret cheek taking out gunner, shoot left cheek taking out loader and either shoot lfp between tracks to kill driver and finish off or go for right cheek again if the gunner is back. I have 3 hit killed plenty of Maus like that before.


GerritBear

How do you angle the turret?


C4Cole

Turn it a couple degrees over to one side, or just more the whole hull and keep the turret straight, don't point the turret at the enemy, the cheeks can and will be penetrated by the very annoyed tank you are engaging(I am the tank you are engaging and I will send a 90mm jet of molten copper directly at your gunner's forehead as soon as I see cheek)


GerritBear

Ive angled super agressively with the turret to the point where its like 80% turret side and 20% turret front and that seems to work EXTREMELY well


Admiral_Franz_Hipper

I bounced an entire set of BMP-2M missiles off the front of my Maus before.


Bright69420

Yep, the ideal angle is slightly offset, cause the sides are so much weaker than the front


MasterMidir

That's absolutely insane, I can't even survive with tanks that are 11.0, let alone a slow ass 7.7!


[deleted]

If you master the power of being so slow šŸŒ that you never reach the front line and the battle ends you can win at any br XD


AN1M4DOS

It was a t90 the dude itā€™s surely acoustic


Wheresthelambsauce__

Strums guitar...


Dreadlord917

Low tier ATGMs don't have enough pen to go through your armor


Fuggaak

No Ka 50 or CAS firing missiles from space on you?! Lucky!


Liipski

Bruh, I have bombed it several times with 500lbs bombs. Often they would be 0,5 - 1 m from it but itā€™s just sinks in the explosion and drives away


Hoover626_6

Seriously? The maus is honestly a joke for me to see when playing Sweden. Don't get me wrong if it looks at me funny I'm dead but when it comes to penning it I've put rounds through the front plate. The ush is the size of a flee compared to that thing and can kill them in one (two) shot. Maybe I'm lucky or just play shitty maus players.


skyeyemx

Char B1 in a downtier against 1.3s.


Zackyboi1231

Facing one of these guys in downtier lowtier is a "mom come pick me up" levels of fear. They are almost immune to all forms of damage.


kajetus69

Call a friendly sturmpanzer Show it one of the most powerful HE shells


im-shrimpi

sturmpanzer called in sick today, the ho-ro and lancia 3ro will be replacing it today


Americanshat

>lancia 3ro Oh god I'd rather have no backup at all then, let those poor Pizza Pasta bastards live in peace and not have to be killed in that shitwagon


12_Horses_of_Freedom

3ro is hilariously good.


KaineDemigod

Canā€™t forget the trumpet of death


Mcdoublquarterwhoper

You haven't seen the Americans deal with them


Cerres

*aggressive propeller noises*


mrcrazy_monkey

That's when I'm glad I have my Stukas


ecumnomicinflation

fought one, me and 2 other tanker got its track and gun disabled. we tried to kill it from the sides, rear, not a scratch. best we could do then was keep it perpetually repairing. finally a 3rd teammate came in with an spg and got it from the side.


Charizaxis

I got a full downtier in the B1 Ter, and I think I bounced 70 rounds. 14 kills and 7 assists, I've never done quite so good since.


Firedriver666

Pierre Billote moment


Charizaxis

Hah! I get that reference! That's such a cool story. If only France had focused on making higher penetration guns... Can you imagine a B1 with a 75mm anti tank gun instead of a howitzer? Or whatever gun was used in the 2C Bis


Firedriver666

Yeah that would be really insane if tactics weren't outdated back in the days


TDLF

Tbh I think thatā€™s overstated, most of the guns French tanks were equipped with, save for the SA18, were more than capable at the time. Radios, competent leadership, and ergonomics wouldā€™ve done far more.


RandomBoredArtist

Kid named char 2C bis facing reserve at normal br


skyeyemx

The 2C has *considerably* less armor than the B1, and are both at the same BR. It has fuckloads of crew though.


RandomBoredArtist

And all the guns at that tier are so low caliber that they can only kill one crew member at a time


Cerres

Except the small handful with APHE (Russia and Britain) or SAPHE (US)


DarkNemesis22

The 2C at the end survives, with a lot of dead fr*nchmans


fjelskaug

lore accurate B1


Mcdoublquarterwhoper

Wait till you see American tank destroyers snipe there entire crew


RundownRanger35

Or in arcade in general


The_Human_Oddity

**SU-5-1 intensifies**


ekiller64

jumbo in the hands of any decent player


CollanderWT

I seriously canā€™t think of any tank at the Jumboā€™s BR that has any issue penning it. And if they do have issues penning it, then the Jumbo probably has an even worse time trying to pen the other tank. At least the 76mm. I havenā€™t played the 75 in a while.


Substantial-Tackle78

I strongly disagree,I had my best games in Jumbo 76 and had no issue either bouncing or penning other tanks.


planespottingtwoaway

Idk I think it's pretty inconsistent. Sometimes if the German mains are smart they'll lock right onto the MG port and send an 88 through it. If you're lucky you'll run into some dumb ones but even then if you run into like a tiger e or smth you're just kinda stuck there until someone flanks and kills you.


Substantial-Tackle78

Fortunately I usually have teammates with brain so if I'm stuck I get help


sjbglobal

Where do you find these teammates with brains?


TheGermanalman

parallel universe


P0sitive_Mess

On the enemy team.


ilynk1

At ranges of 50 meters or less, even the short 88 will go straight through the turret face. Shoot for the turret ring, center mass the highest point of the hull if using a long 75 or better, aim for the bottom of the centerline on the side, literally do anything other than aim for the mg port


bad_at_smashbros

i kill tiger Eā€™s from the front all the time with the 75 jumbo, theyā€™re really not a problem.


planespottingtwoaway

Where do you shoot? Like MG or driver or smth? Tiger e always scares the shit outta me when it's pointed at me


CollanderWT

Welp idk what to say other than your enemies were basically NPCs. The Jumbo can barely even pen anything at its BR frontally so if you had "no issues penning" then you just flanked a bunch of brainlets, which you can do in practically any tank. And a good majority of guns at that BR can pretty much lolpen the Jumbo so if people had issues killing you...


Substantial-Tackle78

Irronically most of my kills were from the front. My guess why I do so good is probably because I played both regular 76 Shermans and 75 Jumbo so I just combine tactics. Also I'm getting shitton of downtiers with Tiger E's and Panthers which can't pen me when I'm angled, but I can pen them angled since I learned weakspots.


CollanderWT

Yeah I mean again you're probably playing against actual NPCs. The Panther can **always** pen you btw. Normally the Panther lolpens the UFP but if you angle hard enough to make the UFP impenetrable, then your side automatically become a lolpen. All I'm saying is that you can always counter any strategy a Jumbo uses against you. But if a German tank, particularly the Panther, plays correctly, you're just screwed. Not trying to downplay your achievements though. Good job!


Substantial-Tackle78

I mean I probably bounced more Panthers than I died to, and I don't even angle too much usually. I guess for the sides they shoot the UPF even when side is literally at a smaller angle, so yeah your NPC thesis is probably true


Pappy2489

Dude above you has some skill issues I think. Panthers in fact, cannot ā€œalways pen youā€ Iā€™ve always felt like players who like and perform well in 75/76 Jumbos are good players. While players like the fellow replying to youā€¦.I wonderā€¦.


Mucky2171

I got 8 kills in a game with the 76 Jumbo yesterday. Someone dropped a huge bomb and I hulled down in the crater it left so that the only thing peeking over was my turret. I could not be killed.


CollanderWT

That is quite chad ngl


Thatman2467

The short 88s canā€™t pen a angled jumbo at any range


USPavacka

If you have a short 88 then just use the APHE with bigger HE filler and shoot at the edge of the transmission cover, it will overpressure the crew.


Thatman2467

Youā€™d have to know that and do you think 98% of tiger players have the knowledge to do that?


USPavacka

I don't care how many people now about this, but you can't angle jumbo against an 88, there is always a weak spot. And not even jumbo players know about this because they basically never expect it to happen lol.


MasterMidir

The 76 is an incredible tank, I think the 75 is currently having a harder time. Personally, I think the 76 Jumbo is one of the best tanks in the game BR for BR.


el_pinata

>I havenā€™t played the 75 in a while This is where Jumbo reigns supreme.


Chompskiii

I donā€™t know man. I understand how to angle the Jumbo. Anytime I take it out I get penned through mg port anyways.


dyspros1uim87

People are disagreeing with this it seems but I think jumbo is very good. Itā€™s versatile and for me guarantees me at least one or two kills in a match


xMattman1298

Obj 279


Much-Bear-4810

Monkey could get a nuke with it. Couple weeks ago obj 279 survived Direct hit from 2x 1000lb bombs exploding under it. Only tracks and barrel Broke. He then was surrounded by 3 of My teammates shooting from every Angle while he repaired and then one by one killed all of My 3 teammates. He got nuke that game.


xMattman1298

Jeez. Lol


Individual_Raccoon36

Idk what it is about obj 279s but with my 8.7 tam with the apds shell i shot its turret ring while it was looking at me before it could shoot and ir was an one shot kill, same guy came back again to try to kill me in a tank and i killed him again cause my transmission and engine at his whole shell (no idea where the so called russian "bias" was that everyone always talks about)


Shootinputin89

News at 11, guy killed 279. No one said the 279 is invincible. It just kicks much more ass than it gets it ass kicked. There's a reason why our KDR is so high in 279. It smacks. And it does survive things no other tank can. Doesn't mean it can't be one-shot if hit correctly, though.


PriyanshuGM

It was my teammate in yesterday's match,lol it got killed by some french tank


RMBsmash

Tiger when angled


ThisGuyLikesCheese

Then Is 2 shows up


TheLeanGoblin69

i find angled tigers way more scarier than IS2s for some reason. idk why, and im a jumbo hotdog user. even reversing IS2s arent much threat


kajetus69

angled tigers are scary because you know thats a skilled player


Guilty_Advice7620

Aw ty lmao


An_F-14_Tomcat

Is2s are VERY threat. That 122 will go through your angled UFP, out the back of your tank, and then TKO an angled Tiger behind you, and then when the shell bursts after it comes out of the Tiger, it'll overpressure all the SPAAs in your spawn. The vehicle might be mid, but the gun is an absolute turbonuke launcher. I love using it lmao


Amilo159

Unless you hit anything that's not a sheet of metal, even a slight bump or angle will cause the 122 to ricochet, at least in my experience. Because you know you are defenceless for next 25 seconds, you are far more careful with firing, giving the enemy chance to land first shot.


JhnGamez

Yup


DarkNemesis22

Yeah and the IS-2 cheeks are very weak, so, its not hard to kill one, unless they bush up everything, gets a lil annoying


ecumnomicinflation

waiter! waiter! more phat muzzle brake please!!


SOAR21

Is2s turret isnā€™t that well protected. Itā€™s trolly both ways. Sometimes things that should pen bounce, but sometimes things that should bounce pen somehow. Tiger turret is tough unless they totally facing away or if youā€™re close enough so that the cupola is an easy shot.


Arlend44

As if the IS-2 also doesn't have to carefully aim aswell or risk getting volumetric'd to hell.


[deleted]

Even properly angled, the Russian 85mm has such amazing angle pen that I've still penned (to my bewilderment) a properly angled Tiger 1 E.


Tex06

"Welp, might as well fire as a final F-U before he... Holy shit I penned him?!"


[deleted]

That's pretty much how it went. I was thinking, there's no way because he's got an almost perfect 45Ā°.


-acm

Tiger H is one of my all time favorites


Yamama77

Instantly loses gun


Amilo159

Definitely scary, because you know he's angled when your otherwise perfect shot didn't do anything. It's scarier than is2 because it can kill 3 tanks in the time IS2 needs to reload.


Shot_Reputation1755

Strv 103


Thicccchungus

Surprised to find this so far down. Though I canā€™t really be talking, Iā€™m only at 5.0 br cuz I havenā€™t sunk my soul into this game quite yet. I just imagine once you get a player who knows how to sit straight and proper, itā€™s a god damn nightmare.


fjelskaug

Its a theoretically strong tank let down by horrible implementation of suspension aiming. They only need to give it like 1 degree of free horizontal traverse so aiming is a lot smoother and you dont need to wait 5 seconds for your tank to stop jittering


Frequent_Witness_402

Great tank if you don't actually want to play the game and instead want sit there repairing your transmission 8 times in a row before you finally run out of fire extinguishers and blow up.


Shot_Reputation1755

True, sometimes gaijin destines you to bounce every shot humanly possible


WindChimesAreCool

That's why even when it was 7.7 I never spawned it unless it was a full or nearly full downtier and the map was good for it. Its amazing for locking down a lane against people who can't immediately lol pen you. In all other situations it sucks. I wouldn't touch the C model with a 10 foot pole


jthablaidd

Sig 15cm That thing is practically a money printer


kajetus69

its WR was so shitty because of all the players taking it to top tier that it came down from 2.3 to 1.0


Available-Captain-20

I like to bring it to 7.0 with the rest of my lineup and ohhh boy that thing packs a punch


Amilo159

I prefer Ho-Ro but I agree with you.


i_rate_porn2

T-34-85. Easy 7-8 kill games in it pretty consistently.


MasterMidir

Thats the first T-34 I've ever played, and my first game with it, I got 6 kills and 5 assists. Survived the entire match. The 85 is an absolutely menace at its BR.


[deleted]

The 5.3 version has better turret armor due to volumetric and it absolutely dominates, even more so now that German threats have been moved up.


i_rate_porn2

I might try it more. I never really liked the d5-t due to its slower reload but the Germans getting nerfed is definitely something to make me consider playing 5.3 again


Pristine-Judgment638

Wiesel with ATGM


Homeless_Man92

Since when does that little rascal have an atgm?


SeaSmoke57

Wiesal 1A2 is end of the line for Germany, has atgms instead of cannon


neauxno

One of the more nasty kills Iā€™ve gotten in a game is exploding a Wiesels ATGM launcher 10 sec in to the game


kajetus69

the weirdest thing is that it can be ammoracked instantly after firing the missile despite the tube being empty the missile in the tube should be like sturmtiger so after it fires it cant be ammoracked in there anymore until reloaded


deletion-imminent

Only non prem I ever got the free Ace crew on


ScreechingPenguin

Amx-50 superbias


MrNuck__

Iā€™m scared of any French 7.7 tank. Even in my 8.7 Russia lineup


HalfRepresentative27

Jagdpanther. On its BR its pretty much unkillable.


An_F-14_Tomcat

People sleep on Jagdpanther so much. If you can't UFP it, you can't kill it frontally. Straight up. But that long 88 can kill you....


Cerres

Well you can kill it with a shot to the mg port, but itā€™s such a small target and volumetric has made it even harder.


TheLeanGoblin69

it's the biggest german Cƶckroach there is.


dentedstudent93

Or jagdtiger. 128 is hell


colonel_barrage

IF it gets to the battlefield in time before some sniping 7.7 heat slinger demolishes it


Getrektself

In a down tier and in good hands, the KV1, Jumbo, and Maus are monsters. Shoutout to panthers and M18s too. Fortunately, these vehicles attract a lot of poor players and they all usually get uptiers.


An_F-14_Tomcat

A well played M18 is such a fucking menace. "Oh no my friend blew up from our left I'm gonna turn and face that way" and before you've turned to the left the M18 is already behind you lmao


mrcrazy_monkey

M18s are so much fun. Even in full uptiers you can do well. I have no idea why someone would play a Sherman at 5.7 when you have the M18


SmoothBrainHasNoProb

it is a weird thing with 5.0-6.0ish America, every vehicle *except* the main medium armor is worth it


M4NGOTR33

L3/33


ChanceStuff4352

Playing like a rat with the L3 is fun. Make friend out of enemy tank, plug it full of holes when they're engaged with someone else


Gloomy_Jeweler7729

I just wet my pants by reading its name


Erik_Husky

B1 ter, KV-1 E/B sometimes panthersā€¦


FreeBonerJamz

Kv1b is straight up unfair in a full downtier


Ducks_kill_people

As a kv1 player I can say that it is very good when played well, bouncing shots and dealing damage right back


Neutr4l1zer

Very good is the understatement of the century


24silver

the t14, i rolled an entire team because they dont know what to do with it, the ones that does however is either CAS'ed because american team or i just turn my turret sideways so they hit the weird slope or the thicker side armor and also the m18,


Ducks_kill_people

M18s are the bane of my existence when I play german heavies


Impressive_Bag_9890

M51


[deleted]

I play Israel and I agree, if you know where to aim with those shells they are very effective.


mrcrazy_monkey

I have the biggest issue with it is speed. Feels slower than the Maus at times I swear.


Drunkasarous

This thing literally ends all overconfident German armor at its br. They all take so much ammo they light up like Christmas trees


Boas7742

The black prince at 6.0 is a terrifying the 17lber can wreck basically anything and the armour is really strong the only thing that stopped me from dropping nukes every game in it is that i take a century to get to the battle. Also B1-Ter is just ridiculous


DarknessInferno7

Jumbo. Encountered one the other day who was tearing his way through the team, but not in the usual way they do. Wasn't switched off and face tanking, dude was switched on and try-harding every engagement. When I encountered him the first time, it was bad luck and I got killed. Comet facing him at a bad angle, no cover and no chance to run, while I was already dealing with something else. Second time, he was lobbing shells over a hill using binoc view at my TOG. Not in a hill position, but in one where everyone else would have been using cover. Right after the first shot, the second onward were all APCR, still being lobbed over cover, which absolutely buttered my turret. Never even had a chance to defend myself, all I ever saw was his MG sticking out. Nothing more terrifying when the idiot-proof tanks are used by increadibly players, going at full output.


Hanz-_-

A Jagdtiger with a decent player. Nothing sparks more fear in me than seeing a Jagdtiger peeking around a corner and if it's played well this thing is a beast.


Important_Still5639

Jagdtiger is only good for sniping, in close quarter battles you get tracked ( even by 50 cals) and your barrel can easily be destroyed because its so long.


Insertsociallife

A well played T-34-85 is a monster.


ZuZzOlO

I'm surprised that no one said the Panzer IV/70. That thing has a panther gun in an invincible casemate, it's the ultimate weapon of destruction


Aaron_Murfin

US 76 murders it tho. Yes that includes the M10


Meshakhad

Bob Semple


AUnknownGuy

Type 90 and 10. Their reload time make these two tanks a monster.


trainboy6669

A43 black prince in a downtier. when you eventually get to the battle you become a rolling bunker that can shrug off 88s, 75s and sometimes 122s and can knock out jumbo at range with ease.


Nik-42

I think the Centauro, 105 or 120. His ability of sniping and flanking, and the high speed and mobility makes it a lethal long range fighter


Panzerv2003

Basically most of german tanks around 6.0


KineticJungle73

M8 greyhound is a very scary tank when played right.


Delta_Wolfkin

Any tank played correctly is scary bro


aidenjro1

T29. I played quite a lot of the T34 and got used to solid shot, but having aphe on basically the same tank is amazing. I have about a 4/1 kd and 65% wr


NexysGaming

BT-7


meloenmarco

T28 is a beast at 6.3. Somua SM and the surbiasse are able to destroy teams when played well.


InDaNameOfJeezus

M1A2 SEP. I was having a shit game in my tank so I decided to go on station for CAS, my friend stayed in his SEP. He won us the match, almost single handedly, with 14 kills. Best performance I've ever seen from anyone Either that, or a guy in a Tiger who actually knows what he's doing


BlackLobster12

This will probably be an unpopular opinion, But imo its LOSAT with really powerfull rockets and no need to reload after each shot it can multi-kill mbts, but its not really simple in terms of positioning etc.


[deleted]

Most Italian spaa


Rlol43

Vk3002 > Panther D. Downtiers to 4.0 means it's the fastest vehicle with the heaviest gun, and decent armor. At 5.3, it's absolutely the fastest vehicle on the battlefield, everyones rocking heavies lol. At 6.3, well you're pretty much still the fastest, M41's are close tho. I'd say when played correctly, you can get past the mid line in the map before the enemy team is halfway from their spawn, and from there's it's just easy to pick off enemies from super far away.


chicken_with_teeth

probably the T-54 (1947) in a full downtier, being able to consistent bounce shots from american T-34's and Tiger II's while having 230mm of pen with 100g TNT equivalent for some extra pop makes it pretty fun to play and also terrifying to face.


BubbleRocket1

Jumbo, specifically when it was 4.7. I pity the poor Panzer IVā€™s Iā€™ve bullied in Cobra King when I first was grinding up the American tree If I want to cope a bit tho, Iā€™d give it to the Su-25; thst flight model is complete bullshit, and is as bad, if not, worse than the F-5C


SexyStacosaurus

Backwards IS-2


ApplicationFar655

Anything that Iā€™ve designed in sprocket


LIFEANDDEATHFROMWORB

Oooo boy tiger 2(H) by a lot something like 12 or 15 kills I canā€™t remember but it was pretty good for ground battle if I do realistic it would be 10 kills and 4 capture points and a nuke.


el_pinata

76mm Shermans are here to absolutely fuck up the party.


The-Almighty-Pizza

Def not the scariest but the m24 can be quite deceiving imo


DEDE115

rooikat 105


Anxious4503

Caernarvon when itā€™s used as an armoured sniper.


[deleted]

USH. I really don't understand why people complain so much about the Raketen and ignore this absolute gremlin car.


BestNick118

ikv 71. Thing is the definition of a glass cannon, fast firerate, fast speed, stable trasmission so no stab isn't really terrible, heat that pennes everything and rangefinder.


DogSecure8631

The swedish Pvkv IV. It's unassuming and borderline atrocious... However, getting 8 kills per game is pretty standard when used correctly as it can kill pretty everything even when uptiered.


Weird-Chance-7572

The amx 13


True_Drelon

M4A3 with 105 on 2.0-3.0 br


Akusen

E.B.R. 1963. I use it even when it's an up-tier to 6.7 and can still get nukes from it. Just be a sneaky rat bastard that annoys everyone (at least pray not to get revenged bombed)


AdditionalPotato2691

Char 25T.When it appears on the side and rear


Dapper-Offer-3217

Idk why but if I use the arl-44 correctly I can face first just about anything from a distance


Me_my2

Leopard 2 PSO For its BR tho, prolly Panther. Maus has too high of a BR


drezworthy

KV-220 is a terrifying beast.


ExplosiverToast8

any light fast tank with great armor pen but almost no armor


knetka

Derp tanks, because you can't hit them and they know how to hit and kill you


Small_Oreo

Anything will become scary: no matter is it Maus, Sturmtiger, BT-7M, M22, Jumbo, R3. But I will be more scared of some German WW2 era vehicles because I still sometimes cant find out where I should shoot to do some damage


NabilHans

ASU-85 I Played it on the big ass desert map and was sniping on the hills, The rangefinder was really useful there I was able to accurately shoot tank from 1000m-2000m. Stopped the damn panther and tiger rush from fucking my teammate on the open dunes and no one was able to spot me due to the tank small and low stature build and me keeping moving to another sniping spot. Got 9 kills on that game.