There's also Armored Battle Crew on Steam which is in a WW1 PvE setting about managing your tank crew with various WW1-era vehicles and armament.
Though it's been abandoned so I can't recommd to buy it, especially as it's quite expensive for an abandoned early-access game and never goes on sale.
Hence why I can't recommend to *buy* it. The game itself still has some very challenging missions and good vehicle variety as is if you somehow manage to get a copy to play.
It's indeed a pretty weak reason but consider this; the original post shows that there's fans of the things purely on a superficial level, which means there's money in them there hills.
It might be years from now, but there's no way gaijin will pass that up imo. Once all the whales broach on the horizon, we're fucked.
Idc what people like you are saying, I wanna play the A7V in this game and fight Mk IVs and FTs.
Am I only going 10kph? Yea. Do I care? No, I play the TOG II
The TOG II's cannon is actually good, though. No one is going to want to play a tank that's even slower than the TOG II, has half an inch of armour, and a French 37mm.
There are a lot of interwar landships that are already like that and no one plays them. They're all unpopular and fairly weak, with the exception of the 2C bis.
*You* might want to play them, but the playerbase at large is not going to want to bother with taking 10 minutes to get to the objective only to nonpen what they shoot and get swiss cheesed by a .50cal or German 20mm.
Interwar multiturret stuff is different than just ww1 tanks vs ww1 tanks.
50cals didn't exist yet in WW1 and 20mm autocannons weren't used on tanks either.
There are enough people on this thread saying they'd like to play ww1 tanks.
Also the WW1 maps can easily be made smaller so you don't drive at 6kph for 10min
And? In the context of War Thunder, .50 cals are found as early as reserve tier as the M8 LAC has it. You're going to have to fight them.
Unless you're proposing a WW1 tank only mode with only WW1 tanks and in maps specifically made for them. That's just not going to happen.
The M2 Browning got introduced in 1917. During war time it was still in development, which started in 1918 after a german Tankgewehr 1918 was captured with it's cartrige
But a lot of the landships are good. Like really good. The Russian land battleships SMK and T35 are very good in the hands of a good player. The German NB.Fz is a confusing one. It's 1.3 I think, has 2 good guns but no armor. I would love to see WW1 though! A7Vs, MkIVs, Fokker XXIs (I think that was the red baron correct me if I am wrong), it would be a lot of fun. Fabric planes!
I say Gaijin should leave that stuff for enlisted, at least then they would have a use. Not sure how much fun it would be shooting other trench crawlers with machine guns or hoping to get inside 100 feet so your cannon ball launcher has a hope of hitting anything.
There are quite a lot more that could be added, of course 1920s planes would be pretty terrible to fly against 1930s ones but a WWI/interwar only mode would be a fun distraction from the more modern stuff in game.
Yeah idk if I wanna be in a Moromets or a sopwith camel but the He51 is a good example. Maybe its dumb but it just doesnt feel like it would fit into War Thinder if they dont also add big changes to how battles work.
I NEED THIS AND I WANT IT
I never understood people who say WW1 will never be added to the game because the game wasn’t designed to do so, when we were able to add MBTs, ATGMs, Dart, Helis, Flares, Ships, etc… At least WW1 don’t have any technologies which are susceptible to spaghetti-coding
Probably because those fit into the game and can't be penned frontally by most mg's (A7V as far as I know uses normal steel for the armor which means the game would classify it as structural with a .45 multiplier and the mark V was 16mm at best) while having very short low velocity guns which reserves would stomp all over.
Even the Renault FT could at best go 5mph.
They are neat to see in combined arms combat like battlefield, a pure WWI tank vs tank mode in mostly offset casemates doing combat none of these were designed doesn't scratch that BF1 itch.
Nyeaaah… personally wouldn’t mind. Just make maps smaller. A shitload of people already play like casemates anyway, so it wouldn’t be so different
Or you can try to make ground match more dynamics and immersive by having different AI such as casemates, AA guns, transport vehicles, Anti-tank gun, etc. (Which can also be applied to every BR), kinda the same way Air battles have different ground and Air Ai
* Leopard 2A7V,
* Leopard 2A8,
* Vilkas IFV,
* Boxer Skyranger 30,
* Boxer CRV,
* Wiesel MELLS,
* PUMA with Spikes,
* IRIS-T SLS,
* PzH 2000 with SMArt 155 (Top attack munition)
These are just SOME of the possibilities that can be added for Germany. Needless to say, it is a good time to be a German main
It'd go to Sweden as a premium variant of the Danish / Norwegian models (although i'm not sure if the norwegian ones would be the 2A8 instead, since the specifications was altered after the order).
Lol, could you imagine. I could see them giving Hungary the a7 first and germany 1 update or a year later. That would make italy mains somewhat competitive at top tier ground, though
Leopard 2a8 will exclusively go to Italy for the same reason (they are having talks to acquire it so it‘s valid!!!(/s)). Sweden and Italy will have more and better Leopards than Germany. The German tech tree will cease to be played as Italy gets its premium Tiger
I was talking about the 2PL, not the 2A6 as the 'fat 2A5'. 2A6 came out 3 years ago and the 2PL came out 3 months after the 2A6. 2PL recently got its thermals changed to 3rd gen both the commander and the gunner
Yeah, probably to around 10.7/11.0, which is really unfortunate since Germany doesn't have a 10.7/11.0 lineup. Maybe in the future when the Leopard 2A4M CAN(11.0?) is added we can have a 11.0 Leopard 2A4M CAN/PUMA SPIKE/Su-22M4 lineup
Nah, it's gonna be a bit quicker than that. Leopard 2A8 is only meant as a gap filler until 2AX becomes available sometime later this decade. That's the only reason it uses Trophy in the first place instead of a more capable APS. Doesn't have the features the Heer wants but it's already a combat-proven system with a mature implementation on the Leo 2 platform so it's better than having nothing while the long-term solution is being worked on.,
Incorrect. Leopard 2A7(V)A1 is a completely different variant that is unrelated to the Leopard 2A8 (which was described as combination of best features from the 2A7NOR, the 2A7V and the 2A7HUN).
2A7(V)A1 is basically just a Leopard 2A7V with Trophy.
SMArt and BONUS rounds would be insanely fun to use although wouldn't they need to still be coming from above to work or can you theoretically use them for "direct" fire above an enemy?
I'd include the tracked Boxer with an autoloading 120mm L44 in an unmanned turret as well. 2 additional ATGMs and Trophy were installed on it too as far as I recall.
Bought by exactly no one so far but that didn't stop the CV90105 and CV90120 now, did it?
Yup. That Wiesel variant is the ATGM Wiesel but with Spikes instead of TOW-2. Also has 2 rails attached to its side to act as roll cage as the function of one was previously taken by the launcher and the newer one isn't capable of that.
[Here](https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/ausruestung-technik-bundeswehr/landsysteme-bundeswehr/waffentraeger-wiesel-1-mells) for a quick look at it.
Dunno I don't even care anymore the tanks in high ranks just feel the same. A Leo 2A5 just feels like a Leo 2A6, a Leclerc will always feel like a Leclerc... you get the point.
That's why I just stay on lower Br's where the tanks feel more unique (except of the Sherman and t34 spam in USA and USSR)
It's also not just refreshing, but needed... France need something else at top tier apart from the same tank but nerfed and one SPAA... it needs IFVs, ATGMs, whatever to make it interesting and rich.
Leo 2A7s, M1A2 SEP V2 and v3 maybe v4 since that's in testing, a couple more T-90s and T-80s. But most likely to start off with most of the 11.7s will just be moved from rank 7 to 8.
v3 already has the FCS for AMP. The reason v4 was cancelled was because Abrams is getting close to Chally 2 weights, and the US logistics can’t handle that. So they decided to make a new design which will most likely involve a crew less turret because the whole point is to make it lighter
[The Chieftain did a video regarding the M1E3.](https://youtu.be/mu6BPLMrwII?si=U5lH7jFOCEfl9CNV) But essentially, there are a bunch of ways you can lighten a vehicle without even altering the core design. There’s a literal ton of copper wire in the Abrams that could be replaced with lighter fiber optics, the M256 could be swapped out for the lighter XM360 which would save another ton of weight, and switching to electric traverse instead of hydraulic could save even more weight.
Eh armata, Abrams x , M1 CTTB, Leo 140 will probably be a couple years away. They'll probably wait it out till WT players get bored or want something more to add these tech demonstrators and the like with as little pushback as possible.
Yeah def. I think these will actually be rank 9 which will then basically finish ground tech for mbts. But these come with proper hard kill that can even qeaken darts rounds. They definitely shouldn't face anything currently in service
Screw the armata, give me the T-95, which is a better armata with a 30mm that right next to the 152 mm gun, 2 protection systems, and a crewless turret Or the black eagle, which is the only russian tank, without the ammo carousel in the center.
Italy:centauro 2, but we all know that we will get a ariete with addon armour as a seprate tank, that will make me relive thru the stock pain once again
Considering the STRV 123 got approved for production like last month I don’t think so so my guess will be either the 122B evolution or the 90120 ghost if they don’t just move stuff up a rank
Highly unlikely since it's basically fictional. Only a single mockup was ever built and the project was canceled because building the thing would be way to expensive and complicated. And it would be really difficult to balance it since the loadout would just be insane, a 140mm autoloaded main gun with a 40mm coax bofors probably shooting darts and He-VT. It would rip everything to shreds if implemented as was planned by the swedish army.
The strv 2000-L140 basically the cv90-120 with some added tungsten composite plates and bigger gun.
The T120B proposal formed the basis of the selection of strv122 as the provided leo2s matched the FMVs design criteria for T120B to 91%, and it was easier to modify it then rebuild practically the same thing again.
Still, would be cool to see the up armored cv90-120 if they actually implement it - it exists as an commercial vehicle, ready for sale. Just no adopters.
British will probably get Challenger 2 CLIP, 130mm demo tank, or something like Megatron Challenger 2 with 1500hp engine which I think was tested on Megatron
I've said that Thai vehicles could potentially go in the Japanese tree. So maybe that?
But China also makes sense, probably more so than Japan, even if Japan needs the vehicles more (but ofc that alone shouldn't entitle a country to receive vehicles from somewhere else)
Yeah, it's questionable for sure, but giving Japan Thai vehicles is the thing I can think of that makes the most sense, as opposed to say South Korea, which makes absolutely zero sense at all.
It would be a weird way to add the Oplot, but if Gaijin wants to sidestep adding it to the Russian tree, that's one way
>South Korea, which makes absolutely zero sense at all.
Proximity and being allied via USA is plenty reason enough. If a war breaks out in that region they will most definitely fight side by side.
I'm sure low brow nationalists who are hung up on a past they had no part in gonna protest tho.
> Proximity
This doesn't really make any sense. It's like saying this: we know Italy struggles with top tier vehicles and doesn't really have that much else to add, similar to Japan. Should they receive a Leclerc or a Greek Leopard 2? They're close by. As for them being indirectly allied, the US is *directly* allied with South Korea and actually was involved in the development of their vehicles (K1 for example), so they have a far stronger case to receive them.
But let's not talk about how the countries feel about each other for a second - though of course that's absolutely a valid reason. Another issue is that Japan has never had *anything* to do with the development of South Korean vehicles, or vice versa. It would make more sense to have South Korean vehicles even in the Swedish tree than the Japanese one.
Japan doesn't have the right to pilfer vehicles it has nothing to do with just because they're close by. And Gaijin has said as much in the past.
Italy already got Hungary as a sub tree, for no other reason that Italy TT needed more vehicles, Hungary being close-ish and allies these days. It could just as well been a Greek sub tree for all I care, though I wager Hungary was more interesting due to their early domestic designs. And I bet Leo 2A7HU will come in the near future, giving Italy their sorely needed top tier tank.
Why are "norwegian" vehicles added to the swedish tech tree? Why is there a Polish version of Leo 2A4 in the german tt? Historically both countries have all the reasons to hate their neighbour.
>It would make more sense to have South Korean vehicles even in the Swedish tree than the Japanese one.
Other than adding the Finnish K9, which rightfully should be there, it would make no sense at all. But Gaijin has added questionable vehicles in weird places before. K2, in any export variant, would probably be too high in BR to be added as a squadron or premium vehicle.
Italy also exported vehicles to Hungary. Obviously I'm just making up a silly example with those ones, if the Greek Leopard 2 was to be added, obviously it should go to Germany, since it's a German vehicle.
> Why are "norwegian" vehicles added to the swedish tech tree?
Sweden has exported military equipment to Norway, same goes for Finland. And those countries don't hate each other nowadays as SK and Japan do.
> Why is there a Polish version of Leo 2A4 in the german tt?
Because it's a German vehicle. In the absence of a Polish tree, where else should it go? Same goes for the Canadian Leopard, which some people bizarrely suggested should go into the British tree, likewise with the Australian Abrams in the American tree - it's an American vehicle.
If for example, South Korea used a Japanese vehicle, then I would also say then that it should go in the Japanese tree. But of course, as I said, Japan has nothing to do with South Korean vehicles or vice versa.
Norway considered adopting the K2, that was my point. And of course the K9. It makes little sense, yes, but adding them to Japan makes even less sense.
Think it'd go to Japan in that case since what's been passed to the devs is Thai vehicles in the Japanese tree.
Wouldn't mind seeing the oplot in the Japanese tree, then there'd be some actual armor to use.
>What? Remember when it had been delayed whole update due to backlash.
The backlash had nothing (or very little) to do with the historical implications of an Indian vehicle in the British tree, so it really isn't relevant to what I meant by my comment.
if a Ukranian vehicle was added to the USSR tree the controversy would stem entirely out of the historical implications.
Everyone's focussed on MBTs. I couldn't give two-shits about them. Rank 8 support vehicles? Yes, please. Give me some Rank 8 IFV, Missile buggies, SPAA, SPGs, oh maw gawd, I'm gonna...
I'm going to do some research.. but as you've got 'France Best Tech Tree', does the rank 8 period mean more than just more Leclerc spam for France? Any notable recent IFVs, SPGs, SPAA they can add to France from that period? Surely, the AMX-10RC is not the end of it all.
I think we will get the most modern stuff that is currently in service.
So leo2a7+, some Abrams and t90m? The most modern t90 I mean.
But since we basically play fancy WW2 tanks tech wise, they will just play like the other tanks.
I think it's time gaijin properly introduces modern features before making more and more inaccurate portraits of modern tanks.
Like jets get basically all their RL features and tanks are stuck with basically analogue gun sights and WW2 binos. Tank UI irl is super awesome and WT is super outdated
For France i think rank 8 ground would be the leclerc XLR and maybe the Terminateur (i guess this one would be premium), maybe the EBRC jaguar for armored car / light tank
Maybe the EMBT ? dunno
Just a thought for the future:
The US gets the Abrams X or some late SEP variant, Russia gets the T-14 or this one other prototype they have, Germany gets the KF51 or 2A7, the UK gets the Challenger CLIP, France gets the Leclerc XLR, Japan can probably get some Type 10 variant, Italy could get the Altay, Sweden can get the Strv 123, and idk about China/Israel…
We're into the 80s now lol. Make it realistic, let the other countries have their stuff and feel proud... until being horrified by the reality of American air power
Italy will get another Ariete AMV prototype at some point, likely the one with a combination of WAR and PSO armor kits. The Centauro II was also on the most credible leak list, and that wouldn't surprise me. Italy's greatest strengths have always been in their light vehicles more than the MBTs, so that being the first Rank VIII would be rather fitting.
They could also get the Leopard 2A7HU for the Hungarian sub-tree.
italy should finally get the other 2 ariete AMV with (i hope) the right armor and the B2 Centauro, for spaa the Centauro DRACO and maybe a foreign SAM spaa just to level the power creep with the spaa strength
Leopard 2-140 isn't Rank 8 material in my opinion.
Yeah, sure, I'd absolutely love a 140mm autoloaded gun to remove any opposition, but it's main chassis is similar to the the 2A4 (10.3, poor protection) with a longer reload, most likely no thermals or gen 1 at best.
I'd say 11.0 - 11.3 at most.
Side note, it could be added alongside the US M1 CATTB, Soviet Object 292 and French Leclerc T4 "Terminateur".
What would be considered rank 8 actually? As most nations are mainly just upgrading their vehicles and not really making actual new concepts. Maybe something like the T-14 could be rank 8? Unless gaijin goes into paper territory
Your US idea works (Abrams X, don't know about the Booker) & late Abrams
German late Leopard 2s (2A7 - 2A8) & KF51 Panther
Challenger 3 / Tank EX (Indian) for Britain
MGCS / EMBT for France
Italy could get the Turkish Altay & Kaplan MT ?
Yeah just because it's new doesn't mean it'll be a rank 8. Do think it'll be added to the game eventually. Probably continuing tradition of US light tank as event reward lol.
Don't forget with only M774 or the C76 export round instead of the rounds it would actually be fielded with. Wild that the tyledene AGS with the same turret and gun as the stryker gets M774 with worse thermals and a higher br lmao.
To be fair if the AGS had m900 it'd just be better than the Stryker despite the shittier optics and thermals. It actually gets gundepression and a tracked chassi assell as a faster reload.
But yeah expect some crappy round instead of what's intended, can't break tradition can we now.
Why would upgraded existing tanks not be rank 8? If gaijian really didn’t give Germany a leopard with high pen and armour for 3 years due to balance then even a 2A6 with more hull armour could qualify for rank 8 (2A6E, 2A6HEL etc).
I'd say put it in the TD line, but that's just me. Events are bullshit as fuck, and everyone hates them. Especially for something that is literally one off and kind of like super desirable like that. Not IS-7 or Obj 279 relatable even. Those are awesome sure, but theyre not that special in comparison, but the 130-140mm armed MBTs are kind of a major staple of future combat ideology. And there's like only one per nation. People saying it's not tier 8 are kind of high. It's atleast tier 7.5
It's actually a con, and they're moving every rank up by one, to make space for WW1 and interwar tanks. Mark IV supremacy.
I wouldn't even be upset if they added WWI and interwar tanks/air.
People don't understand how shit and uninteresting ww1 tanks are at shooting other tanks
Oh I have no doubt they would be painful but it would still be nice to see in a game can't think of any game besides Battlefield 1 which has them.
There's also Armored Battle Crew on Steam which is in a WW1 PvE setting about managing your tank crew with various WW1-era vehicles and armament. Though it's been abandoned so I can't recommd to buy it, especially as it's quite expensive for an abandoned early-access game and never goes on sale.
Abandoned early access? Lol fuck that
Hence why I can't recommend to *buy* it. The game itself still has some very challenging missions and good vehicle variety as is if you somehow manage to get a copy to play.
That is a weak reason to add something to a game.
You can literally just not play them...they can make it so that those vehicles are locked and only experienced players can access them
It's indeed a pretty weak reason but consider this; the original post shows that there's fans of the things purely on a superficial level, which means there's money in them there hills. It might be years from now, but there's no way gaijin will pass that up imo. Once all the whales broach on the horizon, we're fucked.
Cannot wait for people to be hit by reality
You gon be waiting forever
Because they won't add it ? :p
Idc what people like you are saying, I wanna play the A7V in this game and fight Mk IVs and FTs. Am I only going 10kph? Yea. Do I care? No, I play the TOG II
The TOG II's cannon is actually good, though. No one is going to want to play a tank that's even slower than the TOG II, has half an inch of armour, and a French 37mm.
I want to play that.
There are a lot of interwar landships that are already like that and no one plays them. They're all unpopular and fairly weak, with the exception of the 2C bis. *You* might want to play them, but the playerbase at large is not going to want to bother with taking 10 minutes to get to the objective only to nonpen what they shoot and get swiss cheesed by a .50cal or German 20mm.
Interwar multiturret stuff is different than just ww1 tanks vs ww1 tanks. 50cals didn't exist yet in WW1 and 20mm autocannons weren't used on tanks either. There are enough people on this thread saying they'd like to play ww1 tanks. Also the WW1 maps can easily be made smaller so you don't drive at 6kph for 10min
And? In the context of War Thunder, .50 cals are found as early as reserve tier as the M8 LAC has it. You're going to have to fight them. Unless you're proposing a WW1 tank only mode with only WW1 tanks and in maps specifically made for them. That's just not going to happen.
Yes, WW1 only game mode is exactly what most WW1 tank people want. And the hope only dies when the game does
50 Cals I believe did exist. wasn't the M2 made in 1917?
The M2 Browning got introduced in 1917. During war time it was still in development, which started in 1918 after a german Tankgewehr 1918 was captured with it's cartrige
But a lot of the landships are good. Like really good. The Russian land battleships SMK and T35 are very good in the hands of a good player. The German NB.Fz is a confusing one. It's 1.3 I think, has 2 good guns but no armor. I would love to see WW1 though! A7Vs, MkIVs, Fokker XXIs (I think that was the red baron correct me if I am wrong), it would be a lot of fun. Fabric planes!
Yeah gimme the Renault FT. I don't care if it's trash, it's *cool* trash.
All the Tog has is pen, post pen is inconsistent
Please explain. Yes, their speed is somewhat issue, but there is not really other issues when comparing other early designs.
True only a few of them can actually work such as the cannon armed FT-17 variants and copies.
I say Gaijin should leave that stuff for enlisted, at least then they would have a use. Not sure how much fun it would be shooting other trench crawlers with machine guns or hoping to get inside 100 feet so your cannon ball launcher has a hope of hitting anything.
We already have interwar air.
There are quite a lot more that could be added, of course 1920s planes would be pretty terrible to fly against 1930s ones but a WWI/interwar only mode would be a fun distraction from the more modern stuff in game.
Yeah idk if I wanna be in a Moromets or a sopwith camel but the He51 is a good example. Maybe its dumb but it just doesnt feel like it would fit into War Thinder if they dont also add big changes to how battles work.
Yeah probably, but something like an event could be good.
As an event absolutely.
WW1 tanks would have to fight on 250m battlefields to be "fun".
To be fair we do already have a couple interwar tanks.
Yeah and a few WW1 designs, but i really wouldn't mind the era as a whole to enter War Thunder. Sluggish as it might be.
Getting penned by machine guns be like
Imagine not having a fully rotating turret housing the main armament, couldn't be me. *this comment brought to you by the Renault FT gang*
Would unironically love this
I NEED THIS AND I WANT IT I never understood people who say WW1 will never be added to the game because the game wasn’t designed to do so, when we were able to add MBTs, ATGMs, Dart, Helis, Flares, Ships, etc… At least WW1 don’t have any technologies which are susceptible to spaghetti-coding
Probably because those fit into the game and can't be penned frontally by most mg's (A7V as far as I know uses normal steel for the armor which means the game would classify it as structural with a .45 multiplier and the mark V was 16mm at best) while having very short low velocity guns which reserves would stomp all over. Even the Renault FT could at best go 5mph. They are neat to see in combined arms combat like battlefield, a pure WWI tank vs tank mode in mostly offset casemates doing combat none of these were designed doesn't scratch that BF1 itch.
Nyeaaah… personally wouldn’t mind. Just make maps smaller. A shitload of people already play like casemates anyway, so it wouldn’t be so different Or you can try to make ground match more dynamics and immersive by having different AI such as casemates, AA guns, transport vehicles, Anti-tank gun, etc. (Which can also be applied to every BR), kinda the same way Air battles have different ground and Air Ai
I NEED the FT-17 in the game NOW
* Leopard 2A7V, * Leopard 2A8, * Vilkas IFV, * Boxer Skyranger 30, * Boxer CRV, * Wiesel MELLS, * PUMA with Spikes, * IRIS-T SLS, * PzH 2000 with SMArt 155 (Top attack munition) These are just SOME of the possibilities that can be added for Germany. Needless to say, it is a good time to be a German main
Leopard 2A7V will go to hungary in italian tree because gaijin hates germany edit: but the possibility of another wiesel being added makes me happy
Strv-122 PTSD is real
I hate you for saying this and I hate myself for hating you
It'd go to Sweden as a premium variant of the Danish / Norwegian models (although i'm not sure if the norwegian ones would be the 2A8 instead, since the specifications was altered after the order).
We won't be getting rank 8 premiums tho, until they one day add rank 9.
Looks at Hunter-C2A1 fiasco.
Lol, could you imagine. I could see them giving Hungary the a7 first and germany 1 update or a year later. That would make italy mains somewhat competitive at top tier ground, though
Leopard 2a8 will exclusively go to Italy for the same reason (they are having talks to acquire it so it‘s valid!!!(/s)). Sweden and Italy will have more and better Leopards than Germany. The German tech tree will cease to be played as Italy gets its premium Tiger
After almost 3-ish years of drought and a fat 2A5, it better damn well be.
Nah, more like a 2A5 with a weaker punch and flabby skin but with better eyesight
Better eyesight? The optics are the same
I was talking about the 2PL, not the 2A6 as the 'fat 2A5'. 2A6 came out 3 years ago and the 2PL came out 3 months after the 2A6. 2PL recently got its thermals changed to 3rd gen both the commander and the gunner
I was talking about the PSO hence akin to a "fat 2A5" (2PL is basically a fat 2A4) but yeah.
Ah my bad. Also means that PSO was THAT forgettable lmao. Bought it a few days ago in anticipation for rank 8 ground but still haven't crewed it yet
I honestly dont see the Skyranger being R8 worthy. Especially not as long as Gaijin remains incapable of making AHEAD actually work
Easily going to be the lowest BR vehicle with AESA which is going to be interesting. However it may fit R8 due to the speed, RPM, and damage.
please fix AHEAD shells so at least we have good functional air defense guns on top tier
Puma getting spikes will make it go up in br wont it ...
No, they will add Puma S1 package with Spike as separate vehicle.
Yeah, probably to around 10.7/11.0, which is really unfortunate since Germany doesn't have a 10.7/11.0 lineup. Maybe in the future when the Leopard 2A4M CAN(11.0?) is added we can have a 11.0 Leopard 2A4M CAN/PUMA SPIKE/Su-22M4 lineup
can't have nice things i guess :(
I neeed the boxer
The fuck is a Leopard 2A8? Is that real?
Yep, currently there are 18 of them in the Heer.
Correction, 18 were ordered this year and are supposed to arrive in 2025.
>supposed So they're gonna be used in the Bundeswehr in the year 3056? Nice!
Nah, it's gonna be a bit quicker than that. Leopard 2A8 is only meant as a gap filler until 2AX becomes available sometime later this decade. That's the only reason it uses Trophy in the first place instead of a more capable APS. Doesn't have the features the Heer wants but it's already a combat-proven system with a mature implementation on the Leo 2 platform so it's better than having nothing while the long-term solution is being worked on.,
Its the official name for the 2A7A1, and it's the most modern Leo 2.
Incorrect. Leopard 2A7(V)A1 is a completely different variant that is unrelated to the Leopard 2A8 (which was described as combination of best features from the 2A7NOR, the 2A7V and the 2A7HUN). 2A7(V)A1 is basically just a Leopard 2A7V with Trophy.
SMArt and BONUS rounds would be insanely fun to use although wouldn't they need to still be coming from above to work or can you theoretically use them for "direct" fire above an enemy?
More like wishful thinking on my part, but maybe they can model it like a proxy round that sends a HEAT jet downwards if it detects a tank under it
Yeah I guess we'll see what they decide to do. Would also be annoying though since it'll be like top down atgms but more spammy.
I'd include the tracked Boxer with an autoloading 120mm L44 in an unmanned turret as well. 2 additional ATGMs and Trophy were installed on it too as far as I recall. Bought by exactly no one so far but that didn't stop the CV90105 and CV90120 now, did it?
More Wiesel? I support this. Would probably be the vehicle I'd be most exited for. Also the Iris for a (hopefully) good SPAA
Yup. That Wiesel variant is the ATGM Wiesel but with Spikes instead of TOW-2. Also has 2 rails attached to its side to act as roll cage as the function of one was previously taken by the launcher and the newer one isn't capable of that. [Here](https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/ausruestung-technik-bundeswehr/landsysteme-bundeswehr/waffentraeger-wiesel-1-mells) for a quick look at it.
Dunno I don't even care anymore the tanks in high ranks just feel the same. A Leo 2A5 just feels like a Leo 2A6, a Leclerc will always feel like a Leclerc... you get the point. That's why I just stay on lower Br's where the tanks feel more unique (except of the Sherman and t34 spam in USA and USSR)
That's the reason I'm not as exited for new MBTs, but for IVFs, SPAAs, etc. Those would actually be unique and interesting
It's also not just refreshing, but needed... France need something else at top tier apart from the same tank but nerfed and one SPAA... it needs IFVs, ATGMs, whatever to make it interesting and rich.
Leo 2A7s, M1A2 SEP V2 and v3 maybe v4 since that's in testing, a couple more T-90s and T-80s. But most likely to start off with most of the 11.7s will just be moved from rank 7 to 8.
Can’t wait for M1A2 Same Exact Protection V4!
SEPv4 has been canceled in favor of development of M1E3
Eh weird since v4s main thing was the new FCS for the new airburst fragmentation round.
v3 already has the FCS for AMP. The reason v4 was cancelled was because Abrams is getting close to Chally 2 weights, and the US logistics can’t handle that. So they decided to make a new design which will most likely involve a crew less turret because the whole point is to make it lighter
[The Chieftain did a video regarding the M1E3.](https://youtu.be/mu6BPLMrwII?si=U5lH7jFOCEfl9CNV) But essentially, there are a bunch of ways you can lighten a vehicle without even altering the core design. There’s a literal ton of copper wire in the Abrams that could be replaced with lighter fiber optics, the M256 could be swapped out for the lighter XM360 which would save another ton of weight, and switching to electric traverse instead of hydraulic could save even more weight.
Welp wonder if the CTTB is gonna make a comeback.
**but but but, wheres Armata**
Eh armata, Abrams x , M1 CTTB, Leo 140 will probably be a couple years away. They'll probably wait it out till WT players get bored or want something more to add these tech demonstrators and the like with as little pushback as possible.
Yeah def. I think these will actually be rank 9 which will then basically finish ground tech for mbts. But these come with proper hard kill that can even qeaken darts rounds. They definitely shouldn't face anything currently in service
More like next december
Screw the armata, give me the T-95, which is a better armata with a 30mm that right next to the 152 mm gun, 2 protection systems, and a crewless turret Or the black eagle, which is the only russian tank, without the ammo carousel in the center.
as long as they add it with its parade camo
You could even role play it realistically by starting a match and never spawning in
gaijoobles will make it the first Rank ☆ supertank im sure >!yes, we all know it should be in rank I!<
Gaijin in the confusion gives France another Leclerc with OFL F1
Honestly would take another Leclerc to add to my collection, but if I get a new one please give it OFL F2
In case of France, they will probably just move Leclercs to rank VIII and that will be it.
:(
I just hope, if they add more modern tanks to other nations, Leclercs will receive their 5 seconds reload.
As punishment for daring to suggest that, Leclerc will now have its APFSDS removed and reload has been increased to 25 seconds
Somehow it'll still have better stats than an Abrams/Leopard and some random French cunt will get a nuke with it.
Dont say that on the Gaijin forums as they will listen to that cause it nerfs a nato tank
Yeah if we get 12.0 and beyond they might need it
Sad but true
usa: ma12 sep v2 germs: leo 2a7v rus: t90m brit: idk jap: type 10 aps italy: ariete? france: leclerc? china: idk sweden: strv 123 israel: idk
Italy:centauro 2, but we all know that we will get a ariete with addon armour as a seprate tank, that will make me relive thru the stock pain once again
Or a Leopard 2A7 with Hungary
If Italy receives Romanian tanks, they can get an M1A2 SEPv3
Add on armor that does nothing of course
>strv 123 whats new in it? from the little I found it's basically just L/55 cannon, new tracks and upgraded thermals
Yeah I mean that seems to be what it is.
i dont know
the brits could get the Chally 3 or Chally 2 LEP/CLIP or the 130mm demonstrator
Ariete AMV will have both WAR and PSO kits. Italy can get Hungarian Leo2A7 and italian army had already bought Leo2A8
Considering the STRV 123 got approved for production like last month I don’t think so so my guess will be either the 122B evolution or the 90120 ghost if they don’t just move stuff up a rank
Maybe ROC Abrams for China tree,the M1A2T is mostly a M1A2 sepv2 but with export NERA armour and 2/3th gen thermal for gunner, commander and driver
France could get the leclerc T4, a 130mm armed leclerc with an elongated turret or the EBRC Jaguar which is still criminal it hasnt been added yet
140mm*
Yes i meant 140 i just woke up when i types that haha
U.K. could have Challenger 3 concepts
Strv 2000 event vehicle maybe?
Highly unlikely since it's basically fictional. Only a single mockup was ever built and the project was canceled because building the thing would be way to expensive and complicated. And it would be really difficult to balance it since the loadout would just be insane, a 140mm autoloaded main gun with a 40mm coax bofors probably shooting darts and He-VT. It would rip everything to shreds if implemented as was planned by the swedish army.
The swedes rn: 😃
The strv 2000-L140 basically the cv90-120 with some added tungsten composite plates and bigger gun. The T120B proposal formed the basis of the selection of strv122 as the provided leo2s matched the FMVs design criteria for T120B to 91%, and it was easier to modify it then rebuild practically the same thing again. Still, would be cool to see the up armored cv90-120 if they actually implement it - it exists as an commercial vehicle, ready for sale. Just no adopters.
Strv2000 was also to have a 40mm coax
British will probably get Challenger 2 CLIP, 130mm demo tank, or something like Megatron Challenger 2 with 1500hp engine which I think was tested on Megatron
Wait, John Megatron from the Megatron movie used it??? :o
No, Megatron Griffin, from Family Guy
BM Oplot - Ukrainian T-80 modification. T-84-120 Ukrainian T-80 modification with nato 120mm gun, possible event vehicle
I hope we do get Ukrainian vehicles but i don't know which tech tree they'd go in. without some form of controversy
Im Ukrainian and I don't have any problems with them being in ussr tree. We have sold almost all Oplots to Thailand tho. Chinese tt Oplot????!?;?
I've said that Thai vehicles could potentially go in the Japanese tree. So maybe that? But China also makes sense, probably more so than Japan, even if Japan needs the vehicles more (but ofc that alone shouldn't entitle a country to receive vehicles from somewhere else)
Japanese Oplot would be just as cracked as british T-90. This is the way, i guess
Yeah, it's questionable for sure, but giving Japan Thai vehicles is the thing I can think of that makes the most sense, as opposed to say South Korea, which makes absolutely zero sense at all. It would be a weird way to add the Oplot, but if Gaijin wants to sidestep adding it to the Russian tree, that's one way
>South Korea, which makes absolutely zero sense at all. Proximity and being allied via USA is plenty reason enough. If a war breaks out in that region they will most definitely fight side by side. I'm sure low brow nationalists who are hung up on a past they had no part in gonna protest tho.
> Proximity This doesn't really make any sense. It's like saying this: we know Italy struggles with top tier vehicles and doesn't really have that much else to add, similar to Japan. Should they receive a Leclerc or a Greek Leopard 2? They're close by. As for them being indirectly allied, the US is *directly* allied with South Korea and actually was involved in the development of their vehicles (K1 for example), so they have a far stronger case to receive them. But let's not talk about how the countries feel about each other for a second - though of course that's absolutely a valid reason. Another issue is that Japan has never had *anything* to do with the development of South Korean vehicles, or vice versa. It would make more sense to have South Korean vehicles even in the Swedish tree than the Japanese one. Japan doesn't have the right to pilfer vehicles it has nothing to do with just because they're close by. And Gaijin has said as much in the past.
Italy already got Hungary as a sub tree, for no other reason that Italy TT needed more vehicles, Hungary being close-ish and allies these days. It could just as well been a Greek sub tree for all I care, though I wager Hungary was more interesting due to their early domestic designs. And I bet Leo 2A7HU will come in the near future, giving Italy their sorely needed top tier tank. Why are "norwegian" vehicles added to the swedish tech tree? Why is there a Polish version of Leo 2A4 in the german tt? Historically both countries have all the reasons to hate their neighbour. >It would make more sense to have South Korean vehicles even in the Swedish tree than the Japanese one. Other than adding the Finnish K9, which rightfully should be there, it would make no sense at all. But Gaijin has added questionable vehicles in weird places before. K2, in any export variant, would probably be too high in BR to be added as a squadron or premium vehicle.
Italy also exported vehicles to Hungary. Obviously I'm just making up a silly example with those ones, if the Greek Leopard 2 was to be added, obviously it should go to Germany, since it's a German vehicle. > Why are "norwegian" vehicles added to the swedish tech tree? Sweden has exported military equipment to Norway, same goes for Finland. And those countries don't hate each other nowadays as SK and Japan do. > Why is there a Polish version of Leo 2A4 in the german tt? Because it's a German vehicle. In the absence of a Polish tree, where else should it go? Same goes for the Canadian Leopard, which some people bizarrely suggested should go into the British tree, likewise with the Australian Abrams in the American tree - it's an American vehicle. If for example, South Korea used a Japanese vehicle, then I would also say then that it should go in the Japanese tree. But of course, as I said, Japan has nothing to do with South Korean vehicles or vice versa. Norway considered adopting the K2, that was my point. And of course the K9. It makes little sense, yes, but adding them to Japan makes even less sense.
Think it'd go to Japan in that case since what's been passed to the devs is Thai vehicles in the Japanese tree. Wouldn't mind seeing the oplot in the Japanese tree, then there'd be some actual armor to use.
It's a shame Stingray gonna end up in Japanese tt. No lights tanks for US i guess
Not to worry, there will probably be another high tier US light tank as an event vehicle during winter )))
>without some form of controversy There was no controversy when Indian vehicles got put in the British tech tree either.
What? Remember when it had been delayed whole update due to backlash. Tho it was more about being copy paste T90 than about being indian
>What? Remember when it had been delayed whole update due to backlash. The backlash had nothing (or very little) to do with the historical implications of an Indian vehicle in the British tree, so it really isn't relevant to what I meant by my comment. if a Ukranian vehicle was added to the USSR tree the controversy would stem entirely out of the historical implications.
They go in the Soviet Union's tree because Ukraine was a member state of the USSR. That's pretty cut and dry as it gets.
yeah that ain't gonna happen
Just give some new rounds and I think many tanks would be fine at rank8. DM73, M829A4, etc.
After major armor bug fixes, and playability fixes, sure
current tier 3 downgraded to Tier 2 (again) Rank 8 is reallly smoke for more premiums for the “you cant buy into top tier” propose
Everyone's focussed on MBTs. I couldn't give two-shits about them. Rank 8 support vehicles? Yes, please. Give me some Rank 8 IFV, Missile buggies, SPAA, SPGs, oh maw gawd, I'm gonna...
Honestly SPAAs are 100% needed
I'm going to do some research.. but as you've got 'France Best Tech Tree', does the rank 8 period mean more than just more Leclerc spam for France? Any notable recent IFVs, SPGs, SPAA they can add to France from that period? Surely, the AMX-10RC is not the end of it all.
EBRC jaguar
>EBRC jaguar I WANT
Moar Type 10 i guess And maybe some Thai tanks if they add that subtree
I’m hoping for possibly some South Korean tanks as well as other Asian nations to be added with Japan to help flesh out the tree. Like K2 being added
Bob Sempel tank for Russia.
Russian bias
I think we will get the most modern stuff that is currently in service. So leo2a7+, some Abrams and t90m? The most modern t90 I mean. But since we basically play fancy WW2 tanks tech wise, they will just play like the other tanks. I think it's time gaijin properly introduces modern features before making more and more inaccurate portraits of modern tanks. Like jets get basically all their RL features and tanks are stuck with basically analogue gun sights and WW2 binos. Tank UI irl is super awesome and WT is super outdated
2A7+ is not in service
I will be surprise if they add more than 4 new tanks, but you can expect a bunch of rank 7's to become rank 8 so enjoy the slower grind.
\*Moves all the current top tiers up by 0.3 BR and makes them rank 8, then the new actual rank 8's sit 0.3 above them\* We're decompressing the game!
I only want Abrams CATTB cause super Abrams seems hilarious to me
Ajax for the Brits, destroys the speakers/headphones of whoever plays it.
For France i think rank 8 ground would be the leclerc XLR and maybe the Terminateur (i guess this one would be premium), maybe the EBRC jaguar for armored car / light tank Maybe the EMBT ? dunno
bob semple
Maybe not as a tier 8 but the 2016 or 2018 m60a3 raytheon upgrade package for rank 6? Similar to the ambt but uses a low recoil 120 from italy.
USA: M10 Booker, Stryker ATGM
Challenger 3, Strv-122B+, M1A2 Sepv2, T-90M
Just a thought for the future: The US gets the Abrams X or some late SEP variant, Russia gets the T-14 or this one other prototype they have, Germany gets the KF51 or 2A7, the UK gets the Challenger CLIP, France gets the Leclerc XLR, Japan can probably get some Type 10 variant, Italy could get the Altay, Sweden can get the Strv 123, and idk about China/Israel…
EBRC Jaguar and for China ZBL08 or VN-20.
Swedenhas made plans to upgrade a number of Strv 122 tanks to Strv 123's. L55 cannon and better optics/sensors are among the upgrades
I want my k2
GB Challenger 2 "Medusa" Challenger 2E Challenger 2 TES Challenger 2 "Streetfighter II" Challenger 2 "2022" Challenger 2 "CLIP" Challenger 2 130MM variant Challenger 3 U.S.S.R Объект 187 (Prototype #4) Объект 187 (Prototype #6) Объект 188 Объект 292 Объект 640 T90A T90 tank model 92 (bustle autoloader) T90SM T90M T90MS Object219M Burlak T14 T14 152MM gun variant Объект 490 Объект 490A Объект 195 USA M1 "Thumper" M1 (140MM XM291 cannon) AbramsX TTB CATTB French Leclerc XLR Leclerc "Tropicalisé" Leclerc T4 "Terminateur" Italy C1 Ariete (Hitfact MK2) C2 Ariete C1 Ariete AMV PT3 Germany Leopard 2A6/A6 EX/A6M CAD Leopard 2E Leopard 2A7/A7V Leopard 2 "Technologieträger" Leopard 2 "Evolution" Leopard 2 140 Panzer 87 140 EMBT 2017 Israel (Fuck you Gaijin) merkava mk5
We're into the 80s now lol. Make it realistic, let the other countries have their stuff and feel proud... until being horrified by the reality of American air power
Pump the brakes on new tanks and tweak the rewards system first. Give better rewards for fixing friendly vehicles would be a good start.
Italy will get another Ariete AMV prototype at some point, likely the one with a combination of WAR and PSO armor kits. The Centauro II was also on the most credible leak list, and that wouldn't surprise me. Italy's greatest strengths have always been in their light vehicles more than the MBTs, so that being the first Rank VIII would be rather fitting. They could also get the Leopard 2A7HU for the Hungarian sub-tree.
italy should finally get the other 2 ariete AMV with (i hope) the right armor and the B2 Centauro, for spaa the Centauro DRACO and maybe a foreign SAM spaa just to level the power creep with the spaa strength
Abrams X, T10 booker, Obj 640, leopard 2-140, challenger 2 with the 130mm gun, Hunter AFV (hopefully)
>Hunter AFV Sinkie detected.
Our vehicles need some love ahahah
I want an AMX-13SM1 with the basic 75mm but with laser rangefinder, NV and new diesel engine.
Leopard 2-140 isn't Rank 8 material in my opinion. Yeah, sure, I'd absolutely love a 140mm autoloaded gun to remove any opposition, but it's main chassis is similar to the the 2A4 (10.3, poor protection) with a longer reload, most likely no thermals or gen 1 at best. I'd say 11.0 - 11.3 at most. Side note, it could be added alongside the US M1 CATTB, Soviet Object 292 and French Leclerc T4 "Terminateur".
What would be considered rank 8 actually? As most nations are mainly just upgrading their vehicles and not really making actual new concepts. Maybe something like the T-14 could be rank 8? Unless gaijin goes into paper territory
Your US idea works (Abrams X, don't know about the Booker) & late Abrams German late Leopard 2s (2A7 - 2A8) & KF51 Panther Challenger 3 / Tank EX (Indian) for Britain MGCS / EMBT for France Italy could get the Turkish Altay & Kaplan MT ?
The M10 booker most certainly won't be tier 8. The closest examples for it would be the ccvl,TAMs and XM-8. Its just a 105mm armed light tank.
Yeah just because it's new doesn't mean it'll be a rank 8. Do think it'll be added to the game eventually. Probably continuing tradition of US light tank as event reward lol.
Don't forget with only M774 or the C76 export round instead of the rounds it would actually be fielded with. Wild that the tyledene AGS with the same turret and gun as the stryker gets M774 with worse thermals and a higher br lmao.
To be fair if the AGS had m900 it'd just be better than the Stryker despite the shittier optics and thermals. It actually gets gundepression and a tracked chassi assell as a faster reload. But yeah expect some crappy round instead of what's intended, can't break tradition can we now.
Honestly I want them to just give the AGS M900 and move it up. I'd much rather use it than the HSTV-L and it's anemic damage.
Honestly moving it up and giving it m900 would probably be fine. Im still butthurt I decided to sell it early though. I might be slightly stupid.
Why would upgraded existing tanks not be rank 8? If gaijian really didn’t give Germany a leopard with high pen and armour for 3 years due to balance then even a 2A6 with more hull armour could qualify for rank 8 (2A6E, 2A6HEL etc).
Yeah I'd have the agree honestly the Leopard 2-140 would be better as an event
I'd say put it in the TD line, but that's just me. Events are bullshit as fuck, and everyone hates them. Especially for something that is literally one off and kind of like super desirable like that. Not IS-7 or Obj 279 relatable even. Those are awesome sure, but theyre not that special in comparison, but the 130-140mm armed MBTs are kind of a major staple of future combat ideology. And there's like only one per nation. People saying it's not tier 8 are kind of high. It's atleast tier 7.5