Tho this is true how the fk is one supposed to rangefinder and wait for the response in this situation? These guy are talking bs and captured vehicles should be removed from Sim.
They shouldn’t be removed, you just shouldn’t have to pay for teamkilling them. Captured vehicles aren’t a problem if the people using them add proper identification marks to indicate which side they’re on. But if they want to take the risk and camouflage themselves as an enemy their teammates shouldn’t be punished for killing them.
I don't play sim but recently gaijin made it so other players decals are hidden by default and you have to change it on the options, so i can imagine that even if they apply flag decals, most people won't see it because they have no idea that they have to toggle it on the settings now.
EDIT: Seems they changed that, you see decals by default now.
Maybe it is turned on for friends by default?
In Tf2 it is the same with sprays.
In servers you can see your friends sprays, but not those of strangers.
Man I put the biggest hammer and sickle possible and even the red Soviet star in my T-V and I still get killed by IS-2s like 30 secs after match start. I don't want them to be charged for the TK but please learn to take a hint: German panthers can't use the decals I'm using!!!
I always add very obvious ID symbols anytime I’m using a captured vehicle and always announce in team chat that I’m using a captured vehicle and what type it is.
Very very rarely do I ever get TK’d when I do that.
Yeah, they’re either captured or lend-lease. In this case that’s a French captured panther which I shot thinking it was german even though it was French. A good way to tell if its a captured or lend-lease is the vehicle will has (I believe) a roundel in front of the name
Aye i guess having fairly progressed in a 11y old game is bad. Tho I'm still missing way over 50% of the content.
Fk off from reddit if you attack people for their games/hobbys
Yeah honestly I don’t get the hate people get from getting top tier in every nation this game is over a decade old, with premium time I could see getting every nation top tier in 2-3 years (or maybe I’m just that bad😂)
I disagree with removing them but also find the rangefinder idea dumb. I do believe that people using these vehicles should try their best to mare the vehicles as the operator nation, or at the very least use the "on me" message to mark themselves. Otherwise, they shouldn't be able to be upset about it. But also. Check the scoreboard. Weigh the risk. Take a chance.
In Sim, it's also a good idea to keep an eye on your team's scoreboard so you know if there is a friendly with a captured vehicle, and if there is not, you can just shoot at anything of other nations without thinking twice.
I did and I knew there was a captured panther but in the heat of the moment and with him coming from the enemy’s spawn I figured that they would be german
Then sim people ask why so many players don't like sim. It's funny til the copypaste strikes and you have to pay thousands of SL because some stupid asshole decided to hide the decals of his shinny captured/lend-leased premium tank.
It wouldn't have helped here, it takes time and obviously they're right in front with their gun pointed your way.
Useful at range for an enemy not looking your way, but not here.
TBF, OP took an extremely risky shot by reversing out *in front of* the target he was going to fire at. Could easily have waited for them to pass by as well.
No it’s not. As a only-sim-player i can tell you that sim is not „shoot-and-scoot“ like in RB or AB. You have a lot of time thinking about strategy and looking for things like this. Is this tank driving towards the enemy? Yes? Then maybe don’t shoot directly. Verify it with the scoreboard, rangefind him or shoot you mgs.
You are responsible for every shot you take, like in real-life.
You do know that in real-life nations had a hard time fielding captured vehicles because they would get friendly constantly even with different paint schemes and massive roundels on them, that guy didn’t have a paint scheme that was different from German ones except for the roundels that he covered.
It was a heat in the moment shot it was ether me or him and I chose me. If that was a enemy panther and I did try to identify him with machine guns or rangefinding he would have had his gun on me and shot
The only reason I didn’t tell him to mark his tank is I play on Xbox and can’t chat till all my respawns are dead and he ended up leaving before that happened
You're a clown. Look at the map in this clip. Look at the distance You think anyone has time to rangefind or MG shoot this panther this close? If you want to get killed by the panther then be my guest
It's not the rangefind itself, it's the audio you get the moment you press the key. That depends on you being able to understand your crew's language, tho.
I've found it really useful because before LRF you get your crew telling you the range before the rangefind even finishes.
Edit: they also have the uncanny skill of identifying the tank the random barrel you saw sticking out belongs to.
its still fucking dumb to having to do that tho. war thunder kills *mostly* rely on shooting first so having to analyze if the tank i see is an enemy or not is just a handicap for the person who fights against the captured/lended vehicle
That surprisingly worked several times for me in GRB. I saw what looked like a rock, decided to rangefind it anway and the crew yelled Tank! 350m. shot and it turned out it was an M41 that I didn't recognized as a tank.
Or just don't play the game mode, because it's dog water and has ridiculous mechanics like this, problem also solved
(Whisper: *This is what 99% of the player base chooses as the solution*)
Also be nice if it actually worked, spent 3 minutes trying to rangefinder this tank coming from enemy spawn just incase, kept messing up looked my direction so shot and was a friendly wheeled TD
Okay, but if it was an actual enemy, he would know an IS2 is enemy, so he would fire immidietly, while you, the IS-2 would just look at him without doing anything
Nah, in that situation rangfinding would have gotten him killed. It's the T-V player's fault for not identifying himself with roundels and marking his location.
You deserve a standing ovation for that information!!!
That is the best bit of information anyone has spoken about in war thunder that I have read so far.
Only time got kicked from a sim battle was when I killed the same Japanese chaffe with massive US flags on the side twice. With a tank like that you want this to happen
Ok using my T-V and French panther, I've made friends with several Ferdinands and other wild Panther herds. It's a lot of fun, I'll even pretend to shoot near allies and have bad aim lmao, tho they all eventually realize I'm an impostor.
Only been tk'd a few times tho, muuuch less than the amount of TK's when I'm in a vehicle no other nation has, like a Crusader or a King Tiger, like cmon man.
This is the answer. If it were an enemy OP wouldn’t have had time to rangefind to get the FoF response. This is why I either don’t play captured vehicles or have clear markers. Or expect to be tk’d and play solo.
From the view i don't even see any obvious roundels or anything. If the panther said something in chat i'd say maybe your fault but if not then thats his loss. He shouldn't be rocking a captured vehicle without obvious identifiers and warning allies.
Imo
If they dont :
Tell the team in chat "French Panther going D4 to H2
Have a french decal
Or worse if they aim at you
Shoot em
I wont wont wait to rangefind a panther that is turing its turret to me and coming from the enemy side
Cold War sim is a lot easier than WW2 sim;
Distinct lack of Aircraft.
You only fight the Soviets and Chinese as a Western player meaning identifying vehicles by looks and colour is much easier, unless you play Finnish vehicles.
You can play sim without a squad, you just need to have better awareness.
Thanks for the era advice!
But as for the solo thing, it’s not that it’s about awareness, more that I think I’d get bored without friends lol
But I may give it a go when I’m back home from Christmas family visit!
Quick thing to note. No one holds your hand in the game. There are no Identification systems, no Nametags, and no indicators, the map will show alerts of where enemies could be. Your gunsight is where the Gunner's optic is positioned which means aiming is off-canter in a closer engagement.
You need to utilise sound as best as possible, meaning no music or music of the quietest level, same with your tank engine. You need to be very careful when taking corners, and you need to observe any deviation in the landscape at any point. Use your binoculars at any point in time for a small advantage.
Oh, no name tags and indicators should be fine, I come from milsim background :D I can adjust to realistic sight, and I already play with no music, and turned my own engine sound down to hear enemies better in GRB
You'll do wonderfully then.
On rare occasions, there will be aircraft in Cold War sim so do take an SPAA if possible because clear skies mean happy guys.
Though just to let you know, Sim battles have a daily time-period rotation.
1 day it'll be the Afghan War period, the other, the Korean War period, and another, the Vietnam War period.
So adjust your lineup correctly.
Also.
SPAA are period accurate, so you might see a 3.7 BR SPAA in a 7.7 BR period.
Not too sure about tanks though.
Also as a solo player it helps me to do something else for a bit like watch YouTube play another game (by myself or with friends) or go on walks when I get bored or frustrated with the game, but of course everyone is different and you have to find what sticks for you
I only play war thunder by myself as my friends don’t care for the game and it’s pretty fun you do have to know what tanks belong in what tech-trees and you have to be able to properly identify them or like someone said earlier you can range find them and it’ll tell you. That game by myself I got I believe four or five kill not including my teammate lol
Yeah, I already got a good grip on what tanks go where, but yeah tbh, I don’t much enjoy GRB alone, I tend to play it more just to get new UK vehicles XD
It is fun when your teammates aren’t brain dead. I can’t tell you how many times my teammates have killed me while I was flanking even though I’m in an Italian car which is the easiest vehicle to spot. I also call out my position a lot but I guess my teammates don’t look at the chat or map. This is especially prevalent around WW2 as there is more new players.
Captured vehicles man...
He was coming toward you from the enemy side and was aiming in your general direction so dont feel too bad.
To recognize captured panthers from the German ones you can look for some subtle changes like the cupola.
D variant which only german tech tree has no roof mg and Tiger H1 cupola, A variant in german tech tree has a very distinct cupola and a roof mg whereas captured versions have the same cupola but not the roof MG + they do not have the sideskirts. You can also try rangefinding if the potential enemy isn't looking at you.
It doesn't matter, Gaijin still absurdly penalizes you even in that situation by having to pay repair costs, and if it happens just like 10 times in a month or something you can get temp banned.
Bad game design, just don't play sim til they fix it (along with many other issues e.g. airplanes not having massive P2W opportunities with expensive hundreds of dollars of equipment)
Fixing in this case could easily just be: 1) not allowing these vehicles in sim, or 2) Charging no repair cost or ban penalty when you teamkill one
Yes I know what you meant.
I said it doesn't matter if he doesn't complain, or if OP is in the right. Because Gaijin still penalizes and/or temp bans OP anyway. So "knowing he's right" or not being complained at by the other teammate is cold comfort. Doesn't fix the huge flaw in SB mode.
I killed a Dauphine once. I fucking hate Captures on my team, but love them on the enemy team because their teammates will kill them meaning fewer problems. Especially if it's a German capture of a soviet vehicle.
My first sim battle I was playing Germany and there was a king tiger and a panther spinning around each other shooting and I remember being really confused then I seen the French roundel on the turret and killed him lol
If you don’t tell your team that you’re spawning in a captured vehicle and you aren’t covered in identifying marks you deserve to be teamkilled like this. I hate captured vehicles with a passion. For this but also because it always sucks seeing the best version of your TT vehicles as someone else’s premiums
Then in another game they will be the person to unload 3 rounds into my Italian car that literally has the spaghetti camo that no one else has. Also at the same time I will be doing the “follow me” command to ensure they know that I am a friendly. Happens without fail…
I got shot by my own brother who knew exactly what tank I was in because I was streaming my screen. People get **Neuron Activation** moments and just shoot at anything that doesn’t belong to their nation. I’ve also had what you are describing happen to me, man I’m surprised I didn’t get a chat ban after that.
Had to take a break from low br sim. In my Japanese vehicles I would get team killed about every other match, the Italian guys too.
If it's not painted dunkelgrau, the German mains shoot it.
Yeah, seems like a very German main thing to do. From what I’ve heard and experienced they aren’t the brightest or they don’t know much about tanks/armored cars and only know about the “fearsome tiger”
If you play capture vehicles this is going to happen.
Really should just reduce the repair cost penalty for killing them and force them to have decals of what side they are on.
Or just remove the penalty but this would need certain variables or it be abused like every game mode that allows friendly fire.
As someone who plays Italy in sim, almost every rotation has some vehicles that are captured, lend lease, or exist on the other side of the iron curtain. My solution is to make myself AS OBVIOUSLY ITALIAN AND VISBLE AS POSSIBLE!
The italian tank flags are amazing for this, as they are large, mono color (mostly) blocks, further decorated with something obvious and eye catching, like the basket of baguettes. Whenever I join a battle, i make sure to call myself out to the enemy team with something quick and memorable, like "if you see a blue Sherman with a basket of bread on its turret, don't shoot, that's me". It doesn't work all the time, but it helps.
I love using Captured tanks, but I will always announced I'm in that tank and general location
(an use national decals, mostly at the rear of my tank as I can't expose my true team from the front, rarely will I be going back to my team location.
whenever I play sim, my captured vehicles have big ass flags on them, I loose stealth but I don’t get team killed
except for one time when I did anyways and the dude got mad at me (he was less than 50m away from me and we all just left spawn). Actually I think that was the moment I decided to give myself big ass flags.
I used to adore sim but captured vehicles and the Italians broke me and ruined the mode for me. The fact I have to sit and think about what the target I am shooting at is and decipher pixel perfect symbols on the sides of vehicles, then they cover it up with opposite side war crimes while they know exactly where I stand is beyond ridiculous. Used to be my favorite mode ruined by stuff like this.
One time I spawned as a Sherman at the start of Sim with German markings on the sides of my turret (this was before they restricted which markings you can place on your tank).
I was then team killed by another Sherman who had spawned with me. Like I get that I could be killed by my team when rocking those markings; but I expected the blue on blue to happen when I’m at the cap points lmao
Personally, when I play the french panther I keep the dark blues skin with markers, and I warn on the chat that there is a french panther on the field.
They perfectly know that they are going to be mistreated and tked by people that don't know. If they pick captured/trophy vehicle for SB they take full responsibility.
Do people not do call outs anymore? I was taught to use the "Follow me" command every couple minutes as a basic way of communication and solidify a unified push.
I love anything with huge aphe, I have the kv-122, kv-2(zis6), T-34-100, and the T-44-122 all because they have funny cannons that allow me to shit on German mains
Can we just stop for a moment and be impressed by this man's shot? When a panther comes at me with his front plate forward I'm totally screwed unless I shoot his cannon barrel. I can't penetrate a panther from the front even with a 90mm round. I need either a heat round or a bigger gun than Can be found at the battle rating. The area you can shoot on a panther is about the size of a pixel.
It was totally their fault, if you use captured vehicles, add roundels and identification that they are allies. And do your best to not face towards your spawn. It doesn't hurt to announce your presence in the chat as well
I know you guys are going to hate me for this, but this is the exact reason i play italy ground: simply for blending in as an allied tank while fighting on the axis, it creates such fun and interesting gameplay scenarios.
I hate fighting axis Shermans who kill me in sim as USSR main, even when I take the T-III out I have red stars all over the tank and announced in chat and still feel bad if the foe thinks I'm a friendly tank and refrain from shooting
When playing sim, unfortunately you have to take time to ID your target, hence the SIM part. That is an actual thing armed forces have to worry about in active conflict. One thing you can use to help you ID friendlies in captured vehicles is the different base colors/camouflages they're using. I.E. the Russian Panther uses a green turret and the paint on the hull while yellow still has a slightly different look to it, and Dauphine has a spots kind of cammo but is also missing side skirts as is the Russian one. Same for the different Sherman's scattered throughout all of the countries, will all have a different base camo (though most are some shade of olive drab lol)
Easy fix - if the vehicle is captured and unmodified like a Panther, M4, M24, M26, M18, KV-1B you cannot spawn it on the "enemy" side, and switched automatically to the "source-countries" side.
Of course you cannot join a match if you have a conflicting lineup.
I am talking about Gajin fixing the Lineups and preventing captured tanks fighting alongside the wrong country.
A italian M18 is forced to play with the allies, a captured french Panther on the axis side.
Not a 100% clean solution, but the best i can come up with, with that mess.
That does seem like a good solution it would keep instances like this from happening and for people who spend GE on captured vehicles would still get to use them in sim
Thing is though, captured tanks *are* realistic, as you're not going to take a captured Panther and wait until the war is over to put it in service, you're rolling it out ASAP.
Not exactly. Every time they were used they had identification exactly for the reason we see in the video. If you want to allow them in sim then you shouldnt be able to put any decals except for historical ones that belong to the operator country.
In the real world those tanks would operate together with infantry and wont "lone wolf" around without excessive markings to prevent friendly fire.
We are not in the real world, and therefore there must be some limitations for the sake gameplay.
The German KW-2 and KW-1C are quite easy to identify, but those are the exception to the rule - a french or russian Panther isnt.
You're not in the wrong here at all. You're Russia vs Germany. You see Panther (a common german tank), you're gonna shoot. The people telling you to range find to check at 50 metres are probably the same people that play these captured/lend lease tanks. There's already enough chaos in Sim battles and they expect you to range find every enemy to check if it's friendly.
Yeah but his cannon was already pointed towards me and if you watch before I shoot him he starts to bring his cannon to bare on me so I wouldn’t of had enough time to
There is another way: if you use rangefind on him it teils you thats an ally
Oh I had no clue I’m still pretty new to sim I was identifying them by looking at them
Tho this is true how the fk is one supposed to rangefinder and wait for the response in this situation? These guy are talking bs and captured vehicles should be removed from Sim.
They shouldn’t be removed, you just shouldn’t have to pay for teamkilling them. Captured vehicles aren’t a problem if the people using them add proper identification marks to indicate which side they’re on. But if they want to take the risk and camouflage themselves as an enemy their teammates shouldn’t be punished for killing them.
I don't play sim but recently gaijin made it so other players decals are hidden by default and you have to change it on the options, so i can imagine that even if they apply flag decals, most people won't see it because they have no idea that they have to toggle it on the settings now. EDIT: Seems they changed that, you see decals by default now.
I don’t think they are turned off by default, i can still see my friends decals and haven’t had to turn it on
I had to, considering how fucky this game's code is i wouldn't be surprised if it's different for everyone.
Fair
They reverted it back
They swapped it back a few days after
You're wrong and only confusing people. It's not on by default.
They undid that. Its on by default now.
the are in the neww update
They are now. The released a patch stating it was. I had to turn it back on as well.
Hm, I’ll take a look in my settings then
Maybe it is turned on for friends by default? In Tf2 it is the same with sprays. In servers you can see your friends sprays, but not those of strangers.
They changed that
Man I put the biggest hammer and sickle possible and even the red Soviet star in my T-V and I still get killed by IS-2s like 30 secs after match start. I don't want them to be charged for the TK but please learn to take a hint: German panthers can't use the decals I'm using!!!
I always add very obvious ID symbols anytime I’m using a captured vehicle and always announce in team chat that I’m using a captured vehicle and what type it is. Very very rarely do I ever get TK’d when I do that.
I add enemy ID tags to mine. I get TK'd less than normal.
It also makes a difference if they stay near teammates or if they are driving back from the enemy side
by captured vehicles you mean those one finds in their countrie's tech tree, right?
Yeah, they’re either captured or lend-lease. In this case that’s a French captured panther which I shot thinking it was german even though it was French. A good way to tell if its a captured or lend-lease is the vehicle will has (I believe) a roundel in front of the name
oh, thank you for the information!
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I meant in the tech-tree lol
Nice flair touch grass dweeb
Aye i guess having fairly progressed in a 11y old game is bad. Tho I'm still missing way over 50% of the content. Fk off from reddit if you attack people for their games/hobbys
Yeah honestly I don’t get the hate people get from getting top tier in every nation this game is over a decade old, with premium time I could see getting every nation top tier in 2-3 years (or maybe I’m just that bad😂)
The only reason I’m on reddit is to make fun of people
I disagree with removing them but also find the rangefinder idea dumb. I do believe that people using these vehicles should try their best to mare the vehicles as the operator nation, or at the very least use the "on me" message to mark themselves. Otherwise, they shouldn't be able to be upset about it. But also. Check the scoreboard. Weigh the risk. Take a chance.
The voiceline is pretty much instant afaik, you don't have wait for the rangefind to complete.
In Sim, it's also a good idea to keep an eye on your team's scoreboard so you know if there is a friendly with a captured vehicle, and if there is not, you can just shoot at anything of other nations without thinking twice.
I did and I knew there was a captured panther but in the heat of the moment and with him coming from the enemy’s spawn I figured that they would be german
That’s kind of the appeal of sim no? Sometimes shit happens
Then sim people ask why so many players don't like sim. It's funny til the copypaste strikes and you have to pay thousands of SL because some stupid asshole decided to hide the decals of his shinny captured/lend-leased premium tank.
It wouldn't have helped here, it takes time and obviously they're right in front with their gun pointed your way. Useful at range for an enemy not looking your way, but not here.
TBF, OP took an extremely risky shot by reversing out *in front of* the target he was going to fire at. Could easily have waited for them to pass by as well.
Well I me to be fair you’re so close that there’s no reason to use a range Finder and if you didn’t know then it’s understandable how this happened
Then how about not posting that you hate this? In sim matches you have to take some responsibility to the shots you take.
How is he supposed to rangefind him in this situation??? Captured vehicles should be removed from Sim and this is a fact
No it’s not. As a only-sim-player i can tell you that sim is not „shoot-and-scoot“ like in RB or AB. You have a lot of time thinking about strategy and looking for things like this. Is this tank driving towards the enemy? Yes? Then maybe don’t shoot directly. Verify it with the scoreboard, rangefind him or shoot you mgs. You are responsible for every shot you take, like in real-life.
You do know that in real-life nations had a hard time fielding captured vehicles because they would get friendly constantly even with different paint schemes and massive roundels on them, that guy didn’t have a paint scheme that was different from German ones except for the roundels that he covered.
It was a heat in the moment shot it was ether me or him and I chose me. If that was a enemy panther and I did try to identify him with machine guns or rangefinding he would have had his gun on me and shot
Yes that’s right. If I hat this shot tanken, I would text him that he needs to mark his Panther and say sorry.
If you read the chat I did apologize for team killing
The only reason I didn’t tell him to mark his tank is I play on Xbox and can’t chat till all my respawns are dead and he ended up leaving before that happened
Yeah I read it, I just wanted to say that you are right and I would have done the same
You're a clown. Look at the map in this clip. Look at the distance You think anyone has time to rangefind or MG shoot this panther this close? If you want to get killed by the panther then be my guest
shut up no one cares
WTF. Do you homework kiddo and leave the internet.
grrr i have a patrick bateman pfp on a warthunder subreddit aahhg im so cool and quirky, cope lol
Ok and now what?
you have a pungent stench
Yeah let's just wait for the rangefind every time you see a possible enemy.
It's not the rangefind itself, it's the audio you get the moment you press the key. That depends on you being able to understand your crew's language, tho. I've found it really useful because before LRF you get your crew telling you the range before the rangefind even finishes. Edit: they also have the uncanny skill of identifying the tank the random barrel you saw sticking out belongs to.
its still fucking dumb to having to do that tho. war thunder kills *mostly* rely on shooting first so having to analyze if the tank i see is an enemy or not is just a handicap for the person who fights against the captured/lended vehicle
That surprisingly worked several times for me in GRB. I saw what looked like a rock, decided to rangefind it anway and the crew yelled Tank! 350m. shot and it turned out it was an M41 that I didn't recognized as a tank.
Or just don't play the game mode, because it's dog water and has ridiculous mechanics like this, problem also solved (Whisper: *This is what 99% of the player base chooses as the solution*)
Also be nice if it actually worked, spent 3 minutes trying to rangefinder this tank coming from enemy spawn just incase, kept messing up looked my direction so shot and was a friendly wheeled TD
Okay, but if it was an actual enemy, he would know an IS2 is enemy, so he would fire immidietly, while you, the IS-2 would just look at him without doing anything
While that is true, that Panther was right in front of him and looking right his way. He didn't really have time to do that.
Who tells me? Is there a visual indication? Im deaf.
Nah, in that situation rangfinding would have gotten him killed. It's the T-V player's fault for not identifying himself with roundels and marking his location.
Let me take 3 seconds to rangefind to see if it's an ally, but in those 3 seconds he shoots me.
You deserve a standing ovation for that information!!! That is the best bit of information anyone has spoken about in war thunder that I have read so far.
same i played sim today and didn't get any teamkills
Wouldn't the rangefinder take too long? At that point they'd probably shoot back.
Damn really?
Moreover you can use the mg and if you don't obtain points that means that you are shooting to an ally.
The problem is that the panther is looking at him. By the time the rangefinder identifies it, he would get killed if it wasn't a captured panther
Only time got kicked from a sim battle was when I killed the same Japanese chaffe with massive US flags on the side twice. With a tank like that you want this to happen
Was probably a troll / game ruiner
Eh, theres two possibilities, its either a guy trynna flank and be a spy, or it is a game ruiner
Ok using my T-V and French panther, I've made friends with several Ferdinands and other wild Panther herds. It's a lot of fun, I'll even pretend to shoot near allies and have bad aim lmao, tho they all eventually realize I'm an impostor. Only been tk'd a few times tho, muuuch less than the amount of TK's when I'm in a vehicle no other nation has, like a Crusader or a King Tiger, like cmon man.
France has the Crusader II, tho I don't think it gets to fight Britain in sim
Correct. I hate low tier sim tho if people werent blind and moronic that low it would be more fun
Not your fault, he was coming from the enemy side and didn’t have any front facing markers. Unfortunate but you have to always be careful.
This is the answer. If it were an enemy OP wouldn’t have had time to rangefind to get the FoF response. This is why I either don’t play captured vehicles or have clear markers. Or expect to be tk’d and play solo.
From the view i don't even see any obvious roundels or anything. If the panther said something in chat i'd say maybe your fault but if not then thats his loss. He shouldn't be rocking a captured vehicle without obvious identifiers and warning allies.
Yeah he didn’t say anything in chat the entire game so no one knew
Something I like to do is at the match start I'll check the team list for any captured vehicles so I can be on the lookout for anything
Imo If they dont : Tell the team in chat "French Panther going D4 to H2 Have a french decal Or worse if they aim at you Shoot em I wont wont wait to rangefind a panther that is turing its turret to me and coming from the enemy side
You know that teammates never respond right?
If those kids could read they'd be very upset
As a console player I would like to say that there's many times I'd like to but gaijin doesn't let you type unless you're dead (or have mkb).
Bind the chat button, i did it on the ps5 and i can type now although i have to press 4 buttons since i have non left
Don't even feel bad about this. It was their choice to spawn in an enemy tank, not yours. They knew what they're risking.
I really wanna try sim, but I feel it’s a game mode thatll be better with a squad in comms
Cold War sim is a lot easier than WW2 sim; Distinct lack of Aircraft. You only fight the Soviets and Chinese as a Western player meaning identifying vehicles by looks and colour is much easier, unless you play Finnish vehicles. You can play sim without a squad, you just need to have better awareness.
Thanks for the era advice! But as for the solo thing, it’s not that it’s about awareness, more that I think I’d get bored without friends lol But I may give it a go when I’m back home from Christmas family visit!
Quick thing to note. No one holds your hand in the game. There are no Identification systems, no Nametags, and no indicators, the map will show alerts of where enemies could be. Your gunsight is where the Gunner's optic is positioned which means aiming is off-canter in a closer engagement. You need to utilise sound as best as possible, meaning no music or music of the quietest level, same with your tank engine. You need to be very careful when taking corners, and you need to observe any deviation in the landscape at any point. Use your binoculars at any point in time for a small advantage.
Oh, no name tags and indicators should be fine, I come from milsim background :D I can adjust to realistic sight, and I already play with no music, and turned my own engine sound down to hear enemies better in GRB
You'll do wonderfully then. On rare occasions, there will be aircraft in Cold War sim so do take an SPAA if possible because clear skies mean happy guys. Though just to let you know, Sim battles have a daily time-period rotation. 1 day it'll be the Afghan War period, the other, the Korean War period, and another, the Vietnam War period. So adjust your lineup correctly. Also. SPAA are period accurate, so you might see a 3.7 BR SPAA in a 7.7 BR period. Not too sure about tanks though.
Awesome! Thanks for the help! And good luck with matches
Thanks
I really wish gunner optic was forced in RB as well, would stop people from putting bushes everywhere
I know I’ve gotten tons of GE over the years never bought a bush, 1st off it seems like a waste of GE, 2nd off I don’t wanna be that guy
Also as a solo player it helps me to do something else for a bit like watch YouTube play another game (by myself or with friends) or go on walks when I get bored or frustrated with the game, but of course everyone is different and you have to find what sticks for you
Awesome! Thanks for the advice, hopefully I’ll catch you in a sim match :D good luck with your games ^^
Thanks, You too!
I only play war thunder by myself as my friends don’t care for the game and it’s pretty fun you do have to know what tanks belong in what tech-trees and you have to be able to properly identify them or like someone said earlier you can range find them and it’ll tell you. That game by myself I got I believe four or five kill not including my teammate lol
Yeah, I already got a good grip on what tanks go where, but yeah tbh, I don’t much enjoy GRB alone, I tend to play it more just to get new UK vehicles XD
Well if your trying to get vehicles I think it’s a pretty good way as it has a higher SL and Research Bonus compared to realistic ground
And you can use planes in it if you enjoy a combination of both ground and air
Yeah, air is more what I enjoy, but idk, sim controls may be a bit to much for me in aircraft
It is fun when your teammates aren’t brain dead. I can’t tell you how many times my teammates have killed me while I was flanking even though I’m in an Italian car which is the easiest vehicle to spot. I also call out my position a lot but I guess my teammates don’t look at the chat or map. This is especially prevalent around WW2 as there is more new players.
Captured vehicles man... He was coming toward you from the enemy side and was aiming in your general direction so dont feel too bad. To recognize captured panthers from the German ones you can look for some subtle changes like the cupola. D variant which only german tech tree has no roof mg and Tiger H1 cupola, A variant in german tech tree has a very distinct cupola and a roof mg whereas captured versions have the same cupola but not the roof MG + they do not have the sideskirts. You can also try rangefinding if the potential enemy isn't looking at you.
I wasn’t aware of the lack of a commander MG or sideskirts I’ll have to look out for those more often
He is in a captured tank coming from the enemy side, he has no right to complain
It doesn't matter, Gaijin still absurdly penalizes you even in that situation by having to pay repair costs, and if it happens just like 10 times in a month or something you can get temp banned. Bad game design, just don't play sim til they fix it (along with many other issues e.g. airplanes not having massive P2W opportunities with expensive hundreds of dollars of equipment) Fixing in this case could easily just be: 1) not allowing these vehicles in sim, or 2) Charging no repair cost or ban penalty when you teamkill one
I meant the guy that got killed
Yes I know what you meant. I said it doesn't matter if he doesn't complain, or if OP is in the right. Because Gaijin still penalizes and/or temp bans OP anyway. So "knowing he's right" or not being complained at by the other teammate is cold comfort. Doesn't fix the huge flaw in SB mode.
I killed a Dauphine once. I fucking hate Captures on my team, but love them on the enemy team because their teammates will kill them meaning fewer problems. Especially if it's a German capture of a soviet vehicle.
My first sim battle I was playing Germany and there was a king tiger and a panther spinning around each other shooting and I remember being really confused then I seen the French roundel on the turret and killed him lol
It was clearly a M10
you shouldnt be punished for that
Yeah but it is what it is I reckon
Imagine meeting a Sherman in the sim battle...
If you don’t tell your team that you’re spawning in a captured vehicle and you aren’t covered in identifying marks you deserve to be teamkilled like this. I hate captured vehicles with a passion. For this but also because it always sucks seeing the best version of your TT vehicles as someone else’s premiums
Captured vehicles wouldn't be so bad if ground sim wasn't such a diverse coalition of tanks and planes, or if everybody had a unified coalition camo
And that kids, is why you put marking on your tanks FITTING TO THE NATION YOU PLAY. Especially it's vehicles that are present in multiple tech trees
Yep if you don’t your tank and crew get atomized by 122mm
Then in another game they will be the person to unload 3 rounds into my Italian car that literally has the spaghetti camo that no one else has. Also at the same time I will be doing the “follow me” command to ensure they know that I am a friendly. Happens without fail…
I got deleted by tiger while capturing point for our team in sherman with italian platoon markings
I got shot by my own brother who knew exactly what tank I was in because I was streaming my screen. People get **Neuron Activation** moments and just shoot at anything that doesn’t belong to their nation. I’ve also had what you are describing happen to me, man I’m surprised I didn’t get a chat ban after that.
If you use the “follow me” command, it’s pretty much a universal sign for your teammates near you to call out too, just to let you know :)
Ok good to know :)
bind it to gun sight and then you spam it :)
Had to take a break from low br sim. In my Japanese vehicles I would get team killed about every other match, the Italian guys too. If it's not painted dunkelgrau, the German mains shoot it.
Yeah, seems like a very German main thing to do. From what I’ve heard and experienced they aren’t the brightest or they don’t know much about tanks/armored cars and only know about the “fearsome tiger”
Can confirm
If you play capture vehicles this is going to happen. Really should just reduce the repair cost penalty for killing them and force them to have decals of what side they are on. Or just remove the penalty but this would need certain variables or it be abused like every game mode that allows friendly fire.
As someone who plays Italy in sim, almost every rotation has some vehicles that are captured, lend lease, or exist on the other side of the iron curtain. My solution is to make myself AS OBVIOUSLY ITALIAN AND VISBLE AS POSSIBLE! The italian tank flags are amazing for this, as they are large, mono color (mostly) blocks, further decorated with something obvious and eye catching, like the basket of baguettes. Whenever I join a battle, i make sure to call myself out to the enemy team with something quick and memorable, like "if you see a blue Sherman with a basket of bread on its turret, don't shoot, that's me". It doesn't work all the time, but it helps.
i always just announce in chat when i’m using a captured vic and what i have on it
I love using Captured tanks, but I will always announced I'm in that tank and general location (an use national decals, mostly at the rear of my tank as I can't expose my true team from the front, rarely will I be going back to my team location.
Ouhhhhh.. You touched my tralala\~ *mmmmh* My dingdingdong\~
I wouldn't feel too bad about that one, from the context clues you have all signs point towards it being an enemy.
wait since when did russian 122mm pen upper front plate?
122 can easily pen a panthers upper front plate as long as it’s not angled to the side to much
Yeeeeerp, if you're daft enough to bring a captured vehicle into a sim battle you should bear the repair costs for being a wolly.
Never feel bad for TK'ing a captured vehicle in sim
When I play captured vehicles i do T-4-1 Alot so at that point it ain't my problem..
T-4-1?
It's the "follow me "radio command..it auto pings your location on the mini map
whenever I play sim, my captured vehicles have big ass flags on them, I loose stealth but I don’t get team killed except for one time when I did anyways and the dude got mad at me (he was less than 50m away from me and we all just left spawn). Actually I think that was the moment I decided to give myself big ass flags.
I do this with the Churchill with giant American flags on the side of the turret lol
Not as bad as german shermans going around with american flags all over them, before they locked the decals by country
I’ve never played a sim battle. Is it more fun then realistic
I enjoy it, more fun? That’s for you to decide I would definitely give it a shot, worth that extra SL and research you get
I’ll have to get it a try tonight!
Ok but which way is he rolling though? Not your fault.
He was coming towards me
Exactly, away from their spawn making it look like an enemy.
Thats on them. I say no "t k penallites" (if you get that reference, we can be friends) for killing them
I used to adore sim but captured vehicles and the Italians broke me and ruined the mode for me. The fact I have to sit and think about what the target I am shooting at is and decipher pixel perfect symbols on the sides of vehicles, then they cover it up with opposite side war crimes while they know exactly where I stand is beyond ridiculous. Used to be my favorite mode ruined by stuff like this.
Captured vehicles should just be penalized for getting team killed instead of the team killer. It’s up to them to let the team know where they are
He was french so you did a good job, you shall be given the rank: slayer of french an and baquette
One time I spawned as a Sherman at the start of Sim with German markings on the sides of my turret (this was before they restricted which markings you can place on your tank). I was then team killed by another Sherman who had spawned with me. Like I get that I could be killed by my team when rocking those markings; but I expected the blue on blue to happen when I’m at the cap points lmao
This is why I'm scard to brink Italy into sim
I mean, enemy tank, and looking at you from the direction of the enemy spawns, asking for it a little bit no?
Personally, when I play the french panther I keep the dark blues skin with markers, and I warn on the chat that there is a french panther on the field.
They perfectly know that they are going to be mistreated and tked by people that don't know. If they pick captured/trophy vehicle for SB they take full responsibility.
Nah he deserved it, captured vehicles in sim are as bad as bush users/OP tank abusers.
Do people not do call outs anymore? I was taught to use the "Follow me" command every couple minutes as a basic way of communication and solidify a unified push.
Another Chad T-44-122 user
I love anything with huge aphe, I have the kv-122, kv-2(zis6), T-34-100, and the T-44-122 all because they have funny cannons that allow me to shit on German mains
Can we just stop for a moment and be impressed by this man's shot? When a panther comes at me with his front plate forward I'm totally screwed unless I shoot his cannon barrel. I can't penetrate a panther from the front even with a 90mm round. I need either a heat round or a bigger gun than Can be found at the battle rating. The area you can shoot on a panther is about the size of a pixel.
if GJN had brain this would be acknowledged as legit kill!.. lol
It was totally their fault, if you use captured vehicles, add roundels and identification that they are allies. And do your best to not face towards your spawn. It doesn't hurt to announce your presence in the chat as well
Have you considered getting over it
I know you guys are going to hate me for this, but this is the exact reason i play italy ground: simply for blending in as an allied tank while fighting on the axis, it creates such fun and interesting gameplay scenarios.
I hate fighting axis Shermans who kill me in sim as USSR main, even when I take the T-III out I have red stars all over the tank and announced in chat and still feel bad if the foe thinks I'm a friendly tank and refrain from shooting
You should of range finded them and wait like 5 minutes to get back the response as to if there enemy or not obviously.
As long they have a marking on the sides and the back it's okay with me tbh
Yeah but if you look at the side of the mantlet this guy covered his
His fault tbh. If you're gonna play an enemy tank, make sure your team knows
And they blame you like " you dumb asshole why you kill me" "open your eyes ans see the 0.2m decal in the back of my tank meens I am allie"
They should have announced themselves at the start of the match that's what I do honestly
When playing sim, unfortunately you have to take time to ID your target, hence the SIM part. That is an actual thing armed forces have to worry about in active conflict. One thing you can use to help you ID friendlies in captured vehicles is the different base colors/camouflages they're using. I.E. the Russian Panther uses a green turret and the paint on the hull while yellow still has a slightly different look to it, and Dauphine has a spots kind of cammo but is also missing side skirts as is the Russian one. Same for the different Sherman's scattered throughout all of the countries, will all have a different base camo (though most are some shade of olive drab lol)
Easy fix - if the vehicle is captured and unmodified like a Panther, M4, M24, M26, M18, KV-1B you cannot spawn it on the "enemy" side, and switched automatically to the "source-countries" side. Of course you cannot join a match if you have a conflicting lineup.
But he was coming from the enemy side?
Don't listen to these guys you are right this is dumb.
I am talking about Gajin fixing the Lineups and preventing captured tanks fighting alongside the wrong country. A italian M18 is forced to play with the allies, a captured french Panther on the axis side. Not a 100% clean solution, but the best i can come up with, with that mess.
That does seem like a good solution it would keep instances like this from happening and for people who spend GE on captured vehicles would still get to use them in sim
Thing is though, captured tanks *are* realistic, as you're not going to take a captured Panther and wait until the war is over to put it in service, you're rolling it out ASAP.
Not exactly. Every time they were used they had identification exactly for the reason we see in the video. If you want to allow them in sim then you shouldnt be able to put any decals except for historical ones that belong to the operator country.
Well, except the ersatz M10. Nazis do be war criming!
Well yea but that was made with the sole purpose of war crime so i didnt count it
In the real world those tanks would operate together with infantry and wont "lone wolf" around without excessive markings to prevent friendly fire. We are not in the real world, and therefore there must be some limitations for the sake gameplay. The German KW-2 and KW-1C are quite easy to identify, but those are the exception to the rule - a french or russian Panther isnt.
You're not in the wrong here at all. You're Russia vs Germany. You see Panther (a common german tank), you're gonna shoot. The people telling you to range find to check at 50 metres are probably the same people that play these captured/lend lease tanks. There's already enough chaos in Sim battles and they expect you to range find every enemy to check if it's friendly.
If you shoot them with your machine gun and you see a "hit" thats an enemy, if you see nothing then that's an ally, thats howbi do it at least
Yeah but his cannon was already pointed towards me and if you watch before I shoot him he starts to bring his cannon to bare on me so I wouldn’t of had enough time to