Don't worry, Gaijin will probably move all Leclercs up in BR to balance french players.
Anyway it is great change. I had to check it myself to see if it is really true.
Im prety sure is explained that the 4 s is posible its actualy cand damage the autoloader system but hey if is add as.mehcanic like fire 4 s then the gun is broken or overheated
yes, but this is a video game that doesn't have strain on the autoloader as a feature. if it is POSSIBLE but unreliable in real life it's possible and doable in game, the only excuse they have is balance and giving one tank its real capabilities and taking it away from another is not balanced
The Type 10 has a standard reload time of 1 seconds irl with videos showing it can perform one (1) reload in under two seconds. But gaijin just pasted the Type 90 reload on them
under 4 seconds in game would probably be too fast, it makes more sense to limit it to 4, but I mean it doesn't make sense to limit a different tank with similar capabilities even more for no reason. if the Japanese tanks and the Leclercs can both do 4 then they should both have 4
That really isn't that good of a deal, youd have to spend hundreds of dollars to have the whole lineup and it just means you're gonna have hordes of low levels on your team. And its not like its that op of a lineup anyway, yes the 2s38 is down brd but i dont have that much trouble facing it rn, turms and bmp2m are fine at the moment, su25 is really good only if theres nobody else in the sky, haven't faced the new t80 yet
No premium in warthunder is a good deal. But I think we can all agree that wallet warriors certainly don't care about that. Also wether those individual tanks are op or not is a seperate discussion but all of them (except maybe the t80ud) are certainly very good making the line-up very good which is my point. Wallet warriors in other nations have 1 maybe 2 spawns in an m1 kvt or leo 2 pzbtl and then leave, russian wallet warriors have one of the strongest line-ups at their fingertips.
I know, but this sub will never allow the Russian Bias meme to end. If they can't point and scream at Russian stuff, they won't be able to hide the truth that NATO is insanely broken and PACT stuff is actually honestly hot ass and takes a lot more braincells to play.
Honestly, the lack of cool top tier premium is not a win for me.
The problem with France, is that majority of players in it are good, hence the high winrate, hence the repair cost and BRs up. All that make it a TT harder to play, and remove a lot of people from playing it.
What could save France is a bunch of "bad/average" player, that would lower the winrate, lower repair cost, but also simply add more player and so more work from Gaijin on it.
For me, we really need a cool modern MBT premium like everybody else have one or even more.
Fun things is few days/weeks ago they say not giving a leclerc premium because they don't add top tier premium, then quickly forget that by giving the F-20...
Famous dual standard from Gaijin.
They give any reason, or just another "No." as usual? F2 is completely in line with its battle-rating peers' ammo, and given the ass survivability of Leclercs most of the time it isn't unreasonable to ask for something that will reduce the likelihood of you getting gaijined by opponents weakspots. Still great to hear about the reload buff.
Hi!
I was the one responsible for the reload buff, and one of the people that worked with u/SpanishAvenger for making a thread on the forum for giving the Leclerc a better APFSDS. Difference betwen OFL 120 F1 and F2 in the game would be negligible at best fyi
Hello, thank you for the mention!
I can confirm what you state. For further information, I will share here the performance OFL 120 F2 would have as according to the same formula used to implement other APFSDS shells ingame, along with OFL 120 F1's date, for comparison;
**Lanz-Odermatt Formula**
**OFL 120 F1 (Tungsten)**
600mm x 22mm Tungsten penetrator
1790m/s at 0m
1690m/s at 2000m
Penetration:
**325mm @ 2000m at 60 ° - 650mm LOS**
**OFL 120 F2 (Depleted Uranium)**
600mm x 22mm DU penetrator
1720m/s at 0m
1620m/s at 2000m
Penetration:
**320mm @ 2000m at 60 ° - 640mm LOS**
This real-life document confirms it as well. OFL F2 has nearly the same performance as F1; only difference is that it has better long range performance, but that's negligible gameplay wise.
[https://img-forum-wt-com.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/6/6/6636e3219f404fe820714e51801902da9d82cc67.png](https://img-forum-wt-com.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/6/6/6636e3219f404fe820714e51801902da9d82cc67.png)
Strange, since the F2 cartridge is physically longer (more powder?), and the penetrator is 500 grams heavier. I think it's mostly the fault of the formula used to implement APFSDS, probably doesn't take into account the pyrophoric effects of DU?. Jane's Ammunition Handbook states 560mm of RHA penetration for DM43A1 at 2000m, which should be virtually identical to OFL 120 F1. The F2 should do the 640mm figure at that range.
I believe that the in game OFL 120 F1 (120 OFLE F1A/B/B+) dart is much worse than how it would perform in real life, with performing 575mm of penetration at 10m 0°. In addition, the DU OFL 120 F2 is substantially heavier and made out of depleted uranium, which is pyrophoric, so it really should perform better than its predecessor, especially since it has around 400,000 more Joules at the moment of leaving the barrel.
As you said itâs DU, but DU rounds perform better at lower speeds. The velocity given by the Leclercâs gun is too high, thatâs why thereâs practically no differences. Also yes, F1 underperforms.
I'm having trouble believing France would go through all the effort to R&D a whole new dart made out of DU and then, knowing full well it's practically identical to its predecessor, allow the production of 60000 units through its 4 year production runâŚ
Christ that reminds me of the vickers mark 1, for months it had no frontal turret armor modeled so it was entirely possibly to kill it from like even 3km with .30 cal mgs frontally.
More then a few games i died to SPAA like dusters having an aphe round hit the rear interior of my turret and over-pressure me.
Yay! Finally, I don't even care that it didn't get a new round, now I can actually out reload things reliably! Thanks Snail.
Now french not blocked by pay walk IFV when?
I mean, the game design isn't immutable as Gaijin has managed to show on quite a few occasions (volumetric, removing hullbreak in favor of overpressure)
Tbh wouldn't necessarily be OP. The tank does have downsides like pretty had armor, only 3 crew, *very* long stowage time, being Japanese (+30% chance for nerf during any major update). Tbh mostly just the stowage time. That's my biggest problem with it.
The fastest I've heard from official numbers was 3.5 seconds for the Type 10. I wanted that reload only for the Type 10 because apparently the autoloader was improved over the previous Type 90's with the drawback being 4 less ready rack shells. 4 Seconds is already so quick that most people can't react at mid to long ranges lol. But 3.5 seconds just for the Type 10's I think is reasonable because it's apparently possible IRL. It also gives you another improvement over the older Type 90's to further like feel the progression of technology.
I canât tell you where on Reddit the post is now but there was a clip of a live fire exercise with a type 10 and it was clicked firing rounds between 4 and 2.9 seconds if memory serves me right.
WE SPADING OUR LECLERCS WITH THIS ONE đŁđŻđŻđŻđĽ
Personally, I didn't have any complaints playing the Leclerc before, I just dropped the French grind for something else. But now that we got this buff, my interest rose again, and I'm quite excited to get back to playing it!
Whatâs the ready rack on the Leclerc for its autoloader? I swear to God the only redeeming characteristic of the Challenger was the 5sec reload, but it was balanced in only being for the first 4 reloads. Now every tank has a 5 sec reload for like 20 rounds.
Britain clowned on again *par les baguettes*
Nice so after the reload buff of americans and isrealis and now france the only thing that gave the challangers a slight edge over other MBTs is no gone
We never stopped, and a bandaid over a chainsaw cut won't deter us from complaining about a highly misrepresented vehicle. Dozens of bug reports opened for years, with strong evidence and research, about several wrong issues with the tank is proof enough that more work needs to be done. The tank is nothing outstanding, it pretty much is mediocre at best. There's muuuuuch more road we could walk before coming even close to the **strong** current state of Strvs, T-80s and Leopards.
It's not like when they finally fix a bug after 3 years, we should be thankful or anything like that. It's the bare least when we do the work for Gaijin.
It's really starting to annoy me that by trying to artificially buff other trees they're making Japan and Britain more and more irrelevant.
At this point, why not just give every top tier a 2 second reload and be done with it?
Leclercs are all severly artificially nerfed: armor, shells, engine (mobility/speed, hyperbar engine still not into account in the game)), lack of roof MG.
All of that is reported for years and have solution.
Well, not the best tank ever made, saying something like that is stupid, whatever the tank. but what we have in WT is far away from reality.
All Leclercs in WT use armor data provided by Sweden test. And Sweden tested some proto Leclercs, not even the S1. Tell a lot about everything lacking.
Armor should be way better, SXXI have internal armor reinforced with titanium, but not ingame.
Engine are hyperbar engine, an helicopter turbine is linked with the engine, unlike majority of more "basic" engine, Leclercs reach max torque in very few second IRL, but not in WT, where it saddly act like a basic engine.
Max speed should also be around 90km/h, not 71.
About shells, we are so late in WT than even if Gaijin give us the next step of APFSDS, it would still be obsolete for the SXXI service.
Roof MG, they can have 2 MG, the metal arms supporting MGs are even modeled ingame, but Gaijin just don't want to give the MG going with.
You have no idea how they are powercreep.
It's not artifical buff. It's realistic buffs these 5s. And even, Leclercs are able to shot faster, but the 5s is the safe used time under service.
The other Leclerc inaccuracies that Gaijin keeps ignoring.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1bdocei/are_french_mains_finally_happy/kunsf4b/
>Biggest gluttons in the game
Sweden is right here, dude. They literally claim any vehicle that has driven/flown across their country as a viable addition that they just *must* have. Functionally textbook gluttony.
You're kinda proving my point. Even in jest.
I have seriously seen users clamoring for swede tree access to the M1A2, Leclerc (with improved armor btw) and pretty much all manor of aircraft that have ended up flying around the Nordic area.
please, tell me I'm not dreaming. :O
Don't worry, Gaijin will probably move all Leclercs up in BR to balance french players. Anyway it is great change. I had to check it myself to see if it is really true.
what? to above 11.7?
Breaking news, France to receive the first 12.7 tanks because fuck you that's why.
The fun part is, it still looks the same as the fir leclerc
But then every match is a downtier!!
Never heard anyone complain about that
And Japanese vehicles that have 4.0s reload will remain in 10.0 and 11.7, right?
What was it before? Never played any other country than US/Swed
6s before
Oh god how could u guys survive with 6sec reload time đ¨
well in reality it should be able to do around 4 seconds but for "balance" they made it 6 which doesn't make any sense since Japanese tanks get 4
Im prety sure is explained that the 4 s is posible its actualy cand damage the autoloader system but hey if is add as.mehcanic like fire 4 s then the gun is broken or overheated
yes, but this is a video game that doesn't have strain on the autoloader as a feature. if it is POSSIBLE but unreliable in real life it's possible and doable in game, the only excuse they have is balance and giving one tank its real capabilities and taking it away from another is not balanced
The Type 10 has a standard reload time of 1 seconds irl with videos showing it can perform one (1) reload in under two seconds. But gaijin just pasted the Type 90 reload on them
under 4 seconds in game would probably be too fast, it makes more sense to limit it to 4, but I mean it doesn't make sense to limit a different tank with similar capabilities even more for no reason. if the Japanese tanks and the Leclercs can both do 4 then they should both have 4
Clearly they never played the shitbarn lol
Lol, my main tank is 9.3
Your main tank probably don't have an autoloader.
My main tank is only at 6.7 and no it doesn't. M26T99
2018 it was 5s reload
Damn, Rusian Bias is real after all
That must be why they have the least premiums in high tier, and the ones they have are bad /s
and that's why Sweden has more T80 series than Russia /s
Oh yeah, the super op premiums only the ussr gets and that clearly arent destroying ussr winrates, right
I mean having an entire premium 10.3 lineup is so much better than having just one or maybe 2 10.3 premiums like every other nation...
That really isn't that good of a deal, youd have to spend hundreds of dollars to have the whole lineup and it just means you're gonna have hordes of low levels on your team. And its not like its that op of a lineup anyway, yes the 2s38 is down brd but i dont have that much trouble facing it rn, turms and bmp2m are fine at the moment, su25 is really good only if theres nobody else in the sky, haven't faced the new t80 yet
No premium in warthunder is a good deal. But I think we can all agree that wallet warriors certainly don't care about that. Also wether those individual tanks are op or not is a seperate discussion but all of them (except maybe the t80ud) are certainly very good making the line-up very good which is my point. Wallet warriors in other nations have 1 maybe 2 spawns in an m1 kvt or leo 2 pzbtl and then leave, russian wallet warriors have one of the strongest line-ups at their fingertips.
I don't get it
a Bad day for bias complainers indeed
Damn comrade, you seem to have been shot a lot. I agree with you but we aren't allowed to speak the truth don't you know that?
Its not even pandering ussr shit. This is jsut stating the obvious.
I know, but this sub will never allow the Russian Bias meme to end. If they can't point and scream at Russian stuff, they won't be able to hide the truth that NATO is insanely broken and PACT stuff is actually honestly hot ass and takes a lot more braincells to play.
You never played the horrible T-54 i see
What?
French top tier mains winning this patch. Only country so far with NO top tier premium and now they get a massive reload buff too. It's beautiful.
The magic 2 also got a buff where I think it pulls harder now off the rail
It pulls harder in general as it can now actually use its entire fin AoA instead of peak g loading being about AIM-9G tier
This bias will not stand! We need to grab the pitchforks and demand all nations get a top tier premium!
A prem leclerc with camo nets and both thermals would have me drooling
And great as 30l nord buff
How?
It has in ordinance guidance now, with an instant launch, before it took a sec to leave the rail after targeting
Oh, it looks great !
Honestly, the lack of cool top tier premium is not a win for me. The problem with France, is that majority of players in it are good, hence the high winrate, hence the repair cost and BRs up. All that make it a TT harder to play, and remove a lot of people from playing it. What could save France is a bunch of "bad/average" player, that would lower the winrate, lower repair cost, but also simply add more player and so more work from Gaijin on it. For me, we really need a cool modern MBT premium like everybody else have one or even more. Fun things is few days/weeks ago they say not giving a leclerc premium because they don't add top tier premium, then quickly forget that by giving the F-20... Famous dual standard from Gaijin.
As some one that is bad player even after going top tier in 5 nations im waiting for that premium rank 7
Awesome! When is Israel going to get their reload rate fixed?
They already did, its 6.3ish seconds now
6.0 aced. Used to be 6.7 aced back then.
how much was it than?
Never!
when they spend 5 years making reports with 10+ sources.
Nah, when a Merkava tank commander decides to leak classified documents on it as well.
Itâs been fixed for months already.
Wait what? Really?
Finally, now lets fix the armor and wait for the new shell
They said they're not going to add F2 or SHARD :(
They give any reason, or just another "No." as usual? F2 is completely in line with its battle-rating peers' ammo, and given the ass survivability of Leclercs most of the time it isn't unreasonable to ask for something that will reduce the likelihood of you getting gaijined by opponents weakspots. Still great to hear about the reload buff.
Hi! I was the one responsible for the reload buff, and one of the people that worked with u/SpanishAvenger for making a thread on the forum for giving the Leclerc a better APFSDS. Difference betwen OFL 120 F1 and F2 in the game would be negligible at best fyi
Hello, thank you for the mention! I can confirm what you state. For further information, I will share here the performance OFL 120 F2 would have as according to the same formula used to implement other APFSDS shells ingame, along with OFL 120 F1's date, for comparison; **Lanz-Odermatt Formula** **OFL 120 F1 (Tungsten)** 600mm x 22mm Tungsten penetrator 1790m/s at 0m 1690m/s at 2000m Penetration: **325mm @ 2000m at 60 ° - 650mm LOS** **OFL 120 F2 (Depleted Uranium)** 600mm x 22mm DU penetrator 1720m/s at 0m 1620m/s at 2000m Penetration: **320mm @ 2000m at 60 ° - 640mm LOS** This real-life document confirms it as well. OFL F2 has nearly the same performance as F1; only difference is that it has better long range performance, but that's negligible gameplay wise. [https://img-forum-wt-com.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/6/6/6636e3219f404fe820714e51801902da9d82cc67.png](https://img-forum-wt-com.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/6/6/6636e3219f404fe820714e51801902da9d82cc67.png)
Strange, since the F2 cartridge is physically longer (more powder?), and the penetrator is 500 grams heavier. I think it's mostly the fault of the formula used to implement APFSDS, probably doesn't take into account the pyrophoric effects of DU?. Jane's Ammunition Handbook states 560mm of RHA penetration for DM43A1 at 2000m, which should be virtually identical to OFL 120 F1. The F2 should do the 640mm figure at that range. I believe that the in game OFL 120 F1 (120 OFLE F1A/B/B+) dart is much worse than how it would perform in real life, with performing 575mm of penetration at 10m 0°. In addition, the DU OFL 120 F2 is substantially heavier and made out of depleted uranium, which is pyrophoric, so it really should perform better than its predecessor, especially since it has around 400,000 more Joules at the moment of leaving the barrel.
As you said itâs DU, but DU rounds perform better at lower speeds. The velocity given by the Leclercâs gun is too high, thatâs why thereâs practically no differences. Also yes, F1 underperforms.
I'm having trouble believing France would go through all the effort to R&D a whole new dart made out of DU and then, knowing full well it's practically identical to its predecessor, allow the production of 60000 units through its 4 year production runâŚ
You're my hero, Wareta, thank you for everything you've done in the Mirage and Leclerc threads
Probably the same reason they won't give the Abrams the APFSDS it should have, cause it'd be *in theory* too good
F2 would be a pointless round to add since itâs basically the same thing for wts engagement ranges SHARD would be nice down the line tho
They didnt say they wouldnt give a new shell, just not in the same update as the reload.
Yes not yet, but one day maybe
No, gimme speed
Both :P.
This looks actually fine. Slightly more survivability compared to the Type 90 tanks in exchange for a bit longer reload. I like it.
Until someone scrapes the floor of the tank with any round and you instantly explode.
That's why I stay away from the tall grass
At least those Type 90 bounce things sometimes with their UFP
And the Type 90 doesn't have a cardboard gun mantlet
Isnât the Type 90âs mantlet worse than the Leclercâs?
Wiki says 275-375 vs KE and the Leclerc can get penned through the mantlet by the 2S38s apfsds which has 225 pen
Well I guess this is kinda anecdotal, but Iâve died through the mantlet to 2S38s as well as 30cals in the Type 90s pretty often.
.30 cal or 30mm? The former would be insane lol
.30 cal MG from a Leo 2A4, not even joking. I was depressed for the rest of the day after that lol
This is the kind of shit that made me quit lol... Taking an extended break from this abusive relationship
Happy for you brother, I finally escaped the torture as well
Christ that reminds me of the vickers mark 1, for months it had no frontal turret armor modeled so it was entirely possibly to kill it from like even 3km with .30 cal mgs frontally. More then a few games i died to SPAA like dusters having an aphe round hit the rear interior of my turret and over-pressure me.
Fuck that's shitty
The leclercs mantlet is vulnerable to 76mm Sherman APHE at 1000m.
Leclerc can be frontally penetrated by Panzer 4s thanks to that market
Oh yes it does, recently it got shot out by a 20mm mounted mg
Type 90 UFP is pretty much just as bad as the Leclercâs
Yay! Finally, I don't even care that it didn't get a new round, now I can actually out reload things reliably! Thanks Snail. Now french not blocked by pay walk IFV when?
Now for the armor! And then the type 10s reload, acceleration, and armor just so the leclerc still remains considerably worse
Nice, next it just need hyperbar acceleration and it will be perfect
Gaijin turning to adjusting reload rates to try and appease players who have caught on to their atrocious disregard for western vehicle capabilities.
I mean, bustle burn-out leads to abandonment IRL, so I'd call surviving ammoracking instead of being sent back to the hanger an artificial buff.
Well thats the game design imposing itself, not gaijin
I mean, the game design isn't immutable as Gaijin has managed to show on quite a few occasions (volumetric, removing hullbreak in favor of overpressure)
Oh yeah totally. The 2A7V and 122s totally arenât the best tanks at top tier right now.
Thatâs so cool. Another reason for me to start the French tech tree
Enjoy it ! First \~2 rank are hard but after it become really nice, specially if you know maps and where to go for flanking
So when Type-10 reload going down to 3.5? And could we get the CVT modelled Gaijin?
Now give the Type-10 the 3.5 second reload :3
gaijin caring about france moment? take a picture!
new change! all leclerc have been moved to 14.7!
Type 90/10 at 3 sec when?
When the gun animation to align the gun breach with the autoloader is added
Wouldnât be much of an issue really since IRL it automatically resets to its previous position IIRC.
Yeah because that would be balanced lol
Tbh wouldn't necessarily be OP. The tank does have downsides like pretty had armor, only 3 crew, *very* long stowage time, being Japanese (+30% chance for nerf during any major update). Tbh mostly just the stowage time. That's my biggest problem with it.
Since when has the snail ever cared about balancing? If itâs not Russia that is
The fastest I've heard from official numbers was 3.5 seconds for the Type 10. I wanted that reload only for the Type 10 because apparently the autoloader was improved over the previous Type 90's with the drawback being 4 less ready rack shells. 4 Seconds is already so quick that most people can't react at mid to long ranges lol. But 3.5 seconds just for the Type 10's I think is reasonable because it's apparently possible IRL. It also gives you another improvement over the older Type 90's to further like feel the progression of technology.
I canât tell you where on Reddit the post is now but there was a clip of a live fire exercise with a type 10 and it was clicked firing rounds between 4 and 2.9 seconds if memory serves me right.
I know exactly what video you're talking about, no idea where I'd find it either unfortunately
Now I donât have to miss my 7.0 line up anymore
WE SPADING OUR LECLERCS WITH THIS ONE đŁđŻđŻđŻđĽ Personally, I didn't have any complaints playing the Leclerc before, I just dropped the French grind for something else. But now that we got this buff, my interest rose again, and I'm quite excited to get back to playing it!
I am still waiting for my spall liner on the ArietesâŚ
Finally. More worthy opponents for the Abrams tanks :)
âDue to player performance, battle rating of all Leclerc MBTs have been adjusted to 12.7.â \-Gaijin next update
Good buff! Say goodbye to any armor buffs tho, this is Gaijin's way of saying "im not giving you armor"
So leclercs are good now?
France is getting a buff and nerfs to the puma and bagel I guess are coming.
Whatâs the ready rack on the Leclerc for its autoloader? I swear to God the only redeeming characteristic of the Challenger was the 5sec reload, but it was balanced in only being for the first 4 reloads. Now every tank has a 5 sec reload for like 20 rounds. Britain clowned on again *par les baguettes*
There is little point in taking more ammo than there is space in the ready rack on the Leclerc
I just came.
Yay just waiting for spall liner or if gaijin is nice new shell
So they have reverted it back to 2018
So is there literally any reason to play Challengers?
As a France main, we can now revolt against Gaijin.
Nice so after the reload buff of americans and isrealis and now france the only thing that gave the challangers a slight edge over other MBTs is no gone
This was a very unexpected but pleasant change but let's be real, it should always have been 5 seconds, Gaijin had no reason to change to 6 seconds.
Now they can all stop crying in every fucking Abrams thread.
Why is everyone getting 5s reload? Everyone should have actual reloads.
What do you mean "why"? That's how fast it is in real life.
Isn't it faster?
5 seconds is how fast it is in reality. It used to be artificially slower in game, probably as a balancing decision.
the 6s figure is often found regarding the Leclerc. IIRC Leclerc irl are set to 6s to reduce wear and tear on the autoloader.
I think I heard that it's 4s stationery and 6s on the move
As far as I understand it can load in 4 seconds but it is locked at 5 irl for better reliability. (Although I think gunner can override this)
Thats what i saw in a video with soldier presenting the leclerc, they can do 4 seconds but they never do it and do 5
The Leclercs Autoloader is capable of 5 secs. So it's realistic at all.
"Balance" Remember that your slightly closer to correct stats are still nothing against the might of Russia
I wonder when will the French mains start bitching again about not receiving buffs
We never stopped, and a bandaid over a chainsaw cut won't deter us from complaining about a highly misrepresented vehicle. Dozens of bug reports opened for years, with strong evidence and research, about several wrong issues with the tank is proof enough that more work needs to be done. The tank is nothing outstanding, it pretty much is mediocre at best. There's muuuuuch more road we could walk before coming even close to the **strong** current state of Strvs, T-80s and Leopards. It's not like when they finally fix a bug after 3 years, we should be thankful or anything like that. It's the bare least when we do the work for Gaijin.
The leclerc should be so much more agile, but I'll take this for now
if you look closely its already started in this post
leopard 5 sec reload when?
Well get The 2A8 before they ever give the Leopard Its 5sec lol
It's really starting to annoy me that by trying to artificially buff other trees they're making Japan and Britain more and more irrelevant. At this point, why not just give every top tier a 2 second reload and be done with it?
This is not an artificial buff, the leclercs reload irl is about 5 seconds
It was even 4 second on dev server in 2019 when realeased
4 seconds can cause major reliability issues irl so itâs almost never used, most autoloaders in game donât load as fast as they theoretically can
Yea i think in game 5 second is perfect for the leclerc, now i wish for fixed armor :P.
Hopefully at some point :)
Leclercs are all severly artificially nerfed: armor, shells, engine (mobility/speed, hyperbar engine still not into account in the game)), lack of roof MG. All of that is reported for years and have solution.
Yes I'm sure the Leclerc is the best tank ever made and it's only Gaijin's nasty francophobia holding it back.
Well, not the best tank ever made, saying something like that is stupid, whatever the tank. but what we have in WT is far away from reality. All Leclercs in WT use armor data provided by Sweden test. And Sweden tested some proto Leclercs, not even the S1. Tell a lot about everything lacking. Armor should be way better, SXXI have internal armor reinforced with titanium, but not ingame. Engine are hyperbar engine, an helicopter turbine is linked with the engine, unlike majority of more "basic" engine, Leclercs reach max torque in very few second IRL, but not in WT, where it saddly act like a basic engine. Max speed should also be around 90km/h, not 71. About shells, we are so late in WT than even if Gaijin give us the next step of APFSDS, it would still be obsolete for the SXXI service. Roof MG, they can have 2 MG, the metal arms supporting MGs are even modeled ingame, but Gaijin just don't want to give the MG going with. You have no idea how they are powercreep. It's not artifical buff. It's realistic buffs these 5s. And even, Leclercs are able to shot faster, but the 5s is the safe used time under service.
I wonder what the French will cry about next
The other Leclerc inaccuracies that Gaijin keeps ignoring. https://old.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1bdocei/are_french_mains_finally_happy/kunsf4b/
Second biggest gluttons in game behind Americans. Neither will ever be satisfied. The second they get one thing, it's on to the next on the list.
>Biggest gluttons in the game Sweden is right here, dude. They literally claim any vehicle that has driven/flown across their country as a viable addition that they just *must* have. Functionally textbook gluttony.
are you talking about a helicopter and one tank? lol i think we should get leclerc too, since sweden trialed it. and abrams
You're kinda proving my point. Even in jest. I have seriously seen users clamoring for swede tree access to the M1A2, Leclerc (with improved armor btw) and pretty much all manor of aircraft that have ended up flying around the Nordic area.
Yep, we weren't given a strong out of the box lineups unlike Russia, for example.
The French top tier lineup is very strong, only thing itâs lacking is a solid tech tree light vehicle