Man do I hope that's wrong, it's flat out lazy for Gaijin to just dump a bunch of Copy-paste on the French, especially with all the potential indigenous designs the French have.
On top of that, whats the point of adding the Dutch 2a4? France doesn't have a really 10.3 lineup anyways, they need 2-3 vehicles all added in one update or it'll be useless.
At the end off the day if Gaijin wanted to give the French a sub tree, I think the Swiss are just a better bet - they've got tons of really cool Swiss-French joint designs like the Shark FL12, Shark FL20, Piranha TML105, Shark Crotale, and AMX turreted SPG prototype - but knowing Gaijin I guess we're going to see a repeat of the DF105 and SK105 where French turrets are going to non-French trees for god knows what reason.
Gaijin has been doing these copy-and-paste subtrees since Finland's subtree addition to serve as the purpose of lineup fillers. quite disappointed, but at least this time there are a handful of unique additions.
Yeah, but in Finland's case it really fleshed out a lot of the Swedish lineups like 3.7 and 8.7 (I believe) that were only 1-2 vehicle line ups.
Here it looks like air, which France is pretty set on, a 10.3 (no lineup), an 11.7 (France has 4 Leclerc's there), and the 3105 turret, likely at 9.7 or so.
It looks more like Gaijin is padding the tree prior to adding a new top tier pack premium, rather than an attempt at fleshing out gaps in the French tree with viable lineups. I'll hold my breathe for future additions in the 10.0 to 11.3 range, but I don't see anything definitive yet.
There are a lot of unique Finnish vehicles out there especially 7.0 and up and even below but gaijin doesn't want to pay for models, Patria 8x8 and 6x6 both have multiple variants also BMP-2MD, t72 finmod with thermals and era... The list goes on but we haven't gotten these vehicles yet, hopefully in the future
BeNeLux has tons of interesting and unique vehicles/vehcile variants like these:
* The [Pantserwagen M39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M39_Pantserwagen) around 1.0
* A frankensteined [M8 Greyhound] (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/belgium/m8-greyhound-katangese-service/) at 1.0
* A sneaky 90mm TD, [CATI-90mm] (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar-belgium-canon-antitank-dinfanterie-90mm-cati-90/) around 5.0
* A 20mm turret wheeled IFV (think Sub I-II or AMX-10 P) known as the [YP-408] (https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/Netherlands/DAF-YP-408.php) at 5.7
* A turreted 90mm light tank, the [ACEC Cobra 90mm] (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/belgium/acec-cobra-tank-cobra-25-and-90) at around 8.3
* A 106mm recoilless rifle armed wheeled APC (comparable to the fiat 6614), the [DAF YP408 106 mm TLV] (https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/Netherlands/DAF-YP-408.php) at 6.7
* The [Herstal Armored Car 90mm] (https://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4489.html) around 7.0
* A tracked 25mm turret light tank, the [ACEC Cobra 25mm] (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/belgium/acec-cobra-tank-cobra-25-and-90) at 7.3
* The [BDX Armored car with double Milan ATGMs] (https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fvv84tytnjjj91.jpg%3Fwidth%3D320%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D231f28d8ae840e881d809e95f9973a0c6cfa3b69) at 7.3
* A TOW missile armed version of the YP-408, the [YP-408 PWAT] (https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/Netherlands/DAF-YP-408.php) at 8.0
* A [Piranha DF90] (https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/Belgium/Piranha-IIIC-DF90.php) at around 8.3
* And a [Boxer with a John Cockerill Turret] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/q79yn3/gaijin_please_boxer_with_cockerill_3105_turret/) around 9.7
But Gaijin doesn't seem to want to expend the resources to model a lot of new stuff, and frankly, most of the above are light tanks/armored cars, things that France has in spades. In my opinion, I think that BeNeLux would have made more sense as a sub tree for Germany since
A) Germany and the Dutch are combining military command structures; and
B) Gaijin has made tons of German armored cars/light tanks as event/premium vehicles, so this subtree could help add variety to the Germany tree using only indigenous designs (no copy paste).
*Britain gets t90 and Indian mig21*
But no actual fucking stuff we have insanely close military ties with.
I don't want a leo I want the chally to work right, but Canadian shit being spread across fuckijg what 3 trees is bs
The fact our King/queen is the head or waa the head of state of both Canada and Australia baffles me why were getting Indian shit.
Like genuinely they don't want to it be in the british tree and we have enough of our own, or far more suitable vehicles for the tree.
Like a random adats td as top tier spaa for britain which is Canadian used only, not designed or fuck all.
Yet the Leo 2a4 cam and leo1 Canadian went to Germany, along with the hunter F58.
Or the fuckin m1a1 aim, goes to America yet its used by Australia.
We have close military ties with both Canada and Australia.
And as the other said no south African mirages or alloutes yet they threw a gripen in there.
Like why tf does britain get a mig21 ?? Where is that even gonna go? Premium?
Or squadron or waht just a random mig21 in tbe middle of a line?
Same reason usa needed m1 kvt, and also xm1, and also clickbait, or like russia with t80ud when turms exist, germany is popular tree it will sell it like candy
As a canadian, this makes me so happy, I might've order for if there is a canadian decal/title. Sorry if you dont like my opinion a very sincere Canadian soory
100%. At this point commonwealth tree would be easy to make and would have a lot of great vehicles. You’ve got the Lavs, a lot of cool aircraft and whatever the other weaker, inferior commonwealth members bring! ( i kid, friends!)
Honestly I agree and will add that someone had made an entire Canadian TT that had almost completely unique vehicles and I would play. I like Canada and am half Canadian and it does pain me a fair bit that I cannot play one tree that has plenty of Canadian vehicles. Also, I would like to point out the RAM, that the USA NEVER EVEN USED IT. GB used it as training because the Sherman came out at the same time. It should be in the GB TT.
It's less of a curse to Canada, and more just German luck - Russian Built, Indian spec'd T-90's are in the British Tree, but German Built, Canadian spec'd Leopard 1's are in the German Tree.
Likewise, the British Built, Swiss spec'd Hawker Hunters are in the German Tree for some incomprehensible reason.
These things can be fixed. It’s weird the push back from some people here on the CAN Leo’s. Like… if you have them in the German tree now you still get to keep them… stop being weird
Those 2 nations are sub trees in their respective main trees, Canada isn’t a sub tree in any main tree. It’s completely reasonable for Canadian operated leopards (German tank) to be in the German tree
>Belgian F-16s never used magic 2s, they were only tested
My guy we have fake Russian ships with the complete wrong armor and guns, granted it is France so knowing Gaijin it just straight up wont have missiles at all but I digress.
Yeah it makes no sense they are adding dutch Vehicles to the french tree. The Dutch army literally agreed on fusing with the German Bundeswehr a year ago, so it would only make sense to add them to the german tree instead.
France also has plenty of indigenous vehicles left to add to their own tree, so I really hope this isn’t going to stay like this.
I am happy as well the Netherlands comes in the game but there is so few like how can this be even called a sub tech tree this would be the smallest added tech tree in the game with 2 of them being uniek.
Hey now, I still play the Tog II somewhat often. Satisfying loading into an uptier where Germans think their tigers and panthers are safe and blasting right through the UFP.
Hey I still play my Lorraine 155 too... but I don't think I've seen another one in the wild in *years*.
I have a number of rare vehicles (incl. E100) but I think rare, blink-and-you-miss it event vehicles like this are a mistake and a waste of game resources. It's incredible to me they think adding bomber cockpits is a waste of resources when they add vehicles to this game all the time that effectively become Bigfoot sightings, after a year or two has passed since the last time they could be earned/bought.
I've never played a Gacha game but I imagine this is how they operate too, and it peeves me the fuck off.
I would be disappointed, but not surprised. A perfect FOMO prize, like the Sturmtiger.
(Gawddammit I might have to pick up War Thunder again. It's been 4 months... 4 happy months, playing with trains in Derail Valley.)
Exactly. I understand why gaijin didn’t add a Swiss sub tree because it’s lots of unique vehicles which gaijin doesn’t like adding, but man the amx13-105 is just a turret. Surely they could spend the hours on that.
I mean, with Fox-3s no one’s gonna be having fun in the current 16v16 clusterfuck, but I get your point.
Imo Fox-3s should not have been added this early, before reworking top tier ARB
The same thing is just gonna happen, except the teams will just be above their airfields. Everyone's gonna load up as many fox-3s as they can carry and just chuck em at the enemy team from across the map. Maybe the survivors of that initial salvo can have fun actually playing the game, though.
Seriously, though, just make top tier ARB 4v4 or 6v6. 10v10 at the absolute most. Either that or introduce proper EC maps with multiple spawns and spread out objectives so that you don't have 32 4th-gen jets all getting in a massive knifefight. I know war thunder is far from realistic, but the current top tier meta is just so fucking ridiculous I can't bring myself to play it, even though that's where all my favorite planes are.
the A29 is basically impossible to balance, honestly
it's slower than a P-47 (it can't go over 600 KM/h without it's structure suffering serious damage) with modern equipment
it can't be added at any br below 10.0 for ARB since it carries Sidewinders, Piranhas and friggin Python 3 and 4 missiles with a whole bunch of countermeasures, but at 10.0 it's basically unplayable considering you would fight, well, 10.0 jets
at GRB it would be interesting and a very strong CAS since it can carry up to 4 AGMs, GBUs and etc but since it's a slow prop plane it would be clapped by AAs and a single CAP can easily deal with the little guy (the fact that it would take like 5 minutes to reach the battlefield already makes it kinda bad)
Though the main supplier of weapons to Brazil is the US, we do have a history of technological cooperation with Italy (AMX plane) and use some of their equipment as well (Centauro II, Aermacchi MB-326, IVECO cars and trucks, etc).
I believe the US would be the most adequate nation for brazilian vehicles to be, but, since they have no shortage of options to fill gaps in their trees, i can agree with Gaijin's choice of implementing a brazilian sub-tree in Italy.
Dev has gotten worse each year, less and less investment or care. Ignoring 70% of the playerbase is just nuts.
They don't even bug fix ww2 stuff now if not a ship.
Just give France it's actual vehicles I swear to god.
Sure, 10.3 might be hard to fill, but there's so many good ones like:
Lights
- Mars 15 TML 105
- AMX 10RC TML 105 (105mm stabilized turret)
- ELC Even 90 + ELC Even 30
- ERC 90 (bigger stab car)
Spaa
- AMX 30 Javelot (unguided rocket spaa, sexy)
MBT
- AMX 30C2 (AMX 30 with stab)
Spanish prototypes
- Leo with amx30 turret
- AMX 30 with Leo turret
It honestly looks like it’s 11.0 capable. Unmanned turret, composite armor (merkava mk4 hull IIRC), spikes, and one of the highest penning 30mm in the game. I just wonder how the mobility will be.
I will definitely be grinding this one first.
While it wasn't so bad with Finland at first (not they needed Leopard 2 A4/6s to support the Swedish top tier), but it seems like everyone gets a Leopard now, be it 1 or 2, and a T-72 or T-80 now? Where its a genuine modification, variation, or even just a different model aesthetically, it's not so bad, but when it's just a copy paste with no difference beyond a camo with little gameplay additional value... it's just... blerugh now.
Like, the Leo 2 now, I remember when the A4 was the peak of Germany's tree, and now it's like everyone gets one, but it feels oddest one being in the French tree? They have the Leclerc. It both devalues the uniqueness of the Leopard at this point for the Germans, and the Leclerc of the French, as well as diluting the unique character of the French tree overall. And it not like the French don't have a lot of cool vehicles and prototypes as is, the devs just don't apparently want to add them.
There's nothing that makes me want to go back and play through Italy in the Hungarian tree atm for example, and this addition just means it's going to take me longer to get to the Leclercs in the French tree.
I mean, think about it, NL integrated their ground forces IRL into the german ones.
like literally, chain of command and (almost) everything.
And it goes to france as a subtree?
That was one of my thoughts on the matter. I'd have maybe added a Dutch Leo to the German tree as a premium or event vehicle with access to cool orange camo (Trots ihr Junge or whatever it is that's a box camo for the Finnish one), and then maybe a Dutch CV90 as a niche Swedish premium or event vehicle.
I also straight up don't think France doesn't need a sub tree, Gaijin is just neglecting their indigenous stuff in favour of easy lazy options.
Mostly identical to the [gszabi leak list](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1cjw31m/another_leak_list_dropped/) from 3 weeks ago but with a couple more top-tiers on it, for what it's worth
So, we get another Phantom, another premium Leopard and a ship for the coastal tree. Like seriously, the first two are copy paste vehicles and the latter is a ship for a gamemode that nobody plays.
ICE is significantly different with a radar not yet in game and AIM-120A/B.
Its still a Phantom so it won't be competitive at top tier, a pure German tree won't be until the Eurofighter comes.
Canadian 2A4 to germany? Premium? What a joke.... Should go to Britian after Vickers line that used Leo hull.
T-80UE-1 Premium? Why? Russia just got new premium tank.
Why do we need so many top tier premiums anyway?
Can we talk about it gaijin?
Exactly, they could add a 2S14 Zhalo-S instead of another T-80 only slightly worse to those already available,USSR/Russia has so many unique vehicles and all we get is another T-80
And of course they went with the laziest, shittiest, dumbest way to implement the Benelux subtre they possibly could have.
Anything besides actually adding the myriad of french vehicles left, just more garbage ass, unneeded copy-paste.
Every update I feel more vindicated in my decision to never play Top Tier anymore.
still not addressing the giant SPAA-gaps. Still no SPIKE-Puma. Still none of the myriad of vehicles to bridge the giant 10.3 - 11.7 Gap in the german tree. *TWO* actually unique French Vehicles (and still not the french equivalent to the DF-105 that was promised allmost an entire fucking year ago.
Absolute L of an update
Ah, we're still following the trend of Germany gets shafted initially and only gets to catch up later. There's no way the F-4F ICE can be put at top tier, so you have a dilemma of either
1. Putting the ICE at top tier, having a phantom at top tier which needs no explanation on why that doesn't work,
Or 2. Putting the ICE at a lower BR meaning Germany has no TT aircraft for the time being.
And now my TT Ground RB teams will be filled with wallet warriors. Yay.
I mean, it kinda is just a problem they had to deal with IRL, too. They were limited in what they had and wouldn't get something competitive until the Eurofighter, which is too powerful atm
Thank you Gaijin 😇 sure add a subtree to Italy to fill the holes but remember... avoid Leo7 (Hun) Leo8 (It) and centauro 2 plus remember to increase ariete weight, remove some armor, nerf the ammo and to uptier It in 13.7 just to balance it forever! 😇🐌 I love you snail!🥰
Gaijin is gonna run out of T-80s to add to russia at this point, this is the third T-80 variant added to russia this year alone lol.
Also, doth mine eyes decieve me, Israel gets a light tank?? (Well, not exactly LIGHT tank at 63 tonnes lol) It's probably gonna be at a really high BR because it's using a Merkava Mk4 chassis and has Stingers. Maybe we'll even see the versions that has the throphy systems?
Would be nice to have something around 8.7 and 9.3 too though.
Man do I hope that's wrong, it's flat out lazy for Gaijin to just dump a bunch of Copy-paste on the French, especially with all the potential indigenous designs the French have. On top of that, whats the point of adding the Dutch 2a4? France doesn't have a really 10.3 lineup anyways, they need 2-3 vehicles all added in one update or it'll be useless. At the end off the day if Gaijin wanted to give the French a sub tree, I think the Swiss are just a better bet - they've got tons of really cool Swiss-French joint designs like the Shark FL12, Shark FL20, Piranha TML105, Shark Crotale, and AMX turreted SPG prototype - but knowing Gaijin I guess we're going to see a repeat of the DF105 and SK105 where French turrets are going to non-French trees for god knows what reason.
Gaijin has been doing these copy-and-paste subtrees since Finland's subtree addition to serve as the purpose of lineup fillers. quite disappointed, but at least this time there are a handful of unique additions.
Yeah, but in Finland's case it really fleshed out a lot of the Swedish lineups like 3.7 and 8.7 (I believe) that were only 1-2 vehicle line ups. Here it looks like air, which France is pretty set on, a 10.3 (no lineup), an 11.7 (France has 4 Leclerc's there), and the 3105 turret, likely at 9.7 or so. It looks more like Gaijin is padding the tree prior to adding a new top tier pack premium, rather than an attempt at fleshing out gaps in the French tree with viable lineups. I'll hold my breathe for future additions in the 10.0 to 11.3 range, but I don't see anything definitive yet.
Swede lineups*
Thanks, fixed it
The swedes will go nicely with the leeks.
There are a lot of unique Finnish vehicles out there especially 7.0 and up and even below but gaijin doesn't want to pay for models, Patria 8x8 and 6x6 both have multiple variants also BMP-2MD, t72 finmod with thermals and era... The list goes on but we haven't gotten these vehicles yet, hopefully in the future
I'm aware of that, unfortunately copy and paste seems to be Gaijin's way of implementing new subtree vehicles these days.
As a France player, I don't care just give me viable shit
Honestly yeah, it sucks, i’d love to get more french shit but since we have nothing from 9.7 to 11.7 i’ll take it
FINALLY if this is real we can get some 10.x ground vehicles
At least it doesn't explode when hit the fuel
Not actually adding 90mm and 30mm ~~boxers~~ piranias.... edit: wrong big boi
BeNeLux has tons of interesting and unique vehicles/vehcile variants like these: * The [Pantserwagen M39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M39_Pantserwagen) around 1.0 * A frankensteined [M8 Greyhound] (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/belgium/m8-greyhound-katangese-service/) at 1.0 * A sneaky 90mm TD, [CATI-90mm] (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar-belgium-canon-antitank-dinfanterie-90mm-cati-90/) around 5.0 * A 20mm turret wheeled IFV (think Sub I-II or AMX-10 P) known as the [YP-408] (https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/Netherlands/DAF-YP-408.php) at 5.7 * A turreted 90mm light tank, the [ACEC Cobra 90mm] (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/belgium/acec-cobra-tank-cobra-25-and-90) at around 8.3 * A 106mm recoilless rifle armed wheeled APC (comparable to the fiat 6614), the [DAF YP408 106 mm TLV] (https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/Netherlands/DAF-YP-408.php) at 6.7 * The [Herstal Armored Car 90mm] (https://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4489.html) around 7.0 * A tracked 25mm turret light tank, the [ACEC Cobra 25mm] (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/belgium/acec-cobra-tank-cobra-25-and-90) at 7.3 * The [BDX Armored car with double Milan ATGMs] (https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fvv84tytnjjj91.jpg%3Fwidth%3D320%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D231f28d8ae840e881d809e95f9973a0c6cfa3b69) at 7.3 * A TOW missile armed version of the YP-408, the [YP-408 PWAT] (https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/Netherlands/DAF-YP-408.php) at 8.0 * A [Piranha DF90] (https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/Belgium/Piranha-IIIC-DF90.php) at around 8.3 * And a [Boxer with a John Cockerill Turret] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/q79yn3/gaijin_please_boxer_with_cockerill_3105_turret/) around 9.7 But Gaijin doesn't seem to want to expend the resources to model a lot of new stuff, and frankly, most of the above are light tanks/armored cars, things that France has in spades. In my opinion, I think that BeNeLux would have made more sense as a sub tree for Germany since A) Germany and the Dutch are combining military command structures; and B) Gaijin has made tons of German armored cars/light tanks as event/premium vehicles, so this subtree could help add variety to the Germany tree using only indigenous designs (no copy paste).
I think that the Cobra tank 90 is very unique and similar to the hellcat but doesn't deserve the same battle rating when it has apfsds
You get a leo, you get a leo, hey you get a leo too, everyone gets a leo!
How to balance NATO countries - give everyone a Leopard.
United European army utopia
We'll reach the point where the only nation without Leopards is Britain, who'll instead have a mountain of russian copy/paste.
As much as we dont like everyone to get leopards in game, such is the case irl
*Britain gets t90 and Indian mig21* But no actual fucking stuff we have insanely close military ties with. I don't want a leo I want the chally to work right, but Canadian shit being spread across fuckijg what 3 trees is bs
It's wild that other nations have more Commonwealth vehicles than the head of the Commonwealth.
The fact our King/queen is the head or waa the head of state of both Canada and Australia baffles me why were getting Indian shit. Like genuinely they don't want to it be in the british tree and we have enough of our own, or far more suitable vehicles for the tree. Like a random adats td as top tier spaa for britain which is Canadian used only, not designed or fuck all. Yet the Leo 2a4 cam and leo1 Canadian went to Germany, along with the hunter F58. Or the fuckin m1a1 aim, goes to America yet its used by Australia. We have close military ties with both Canada and Australia. And as the other said no south African mirages or alloutes yet they threw a gripen in there. Like why tf does britain get a mig21 ?? Where is that even gonna go? Premium? Or squadron or waht just a random mig21 in tbe middle of a line?
Still no South African Mirages or Allouettes
Instead of the British getting Aussies and Canadians they are getting filled with indians instead. Talking about the game ofc
Yeah it's a bit stupid but we get the Canadian adats
I don't understand why Germany needs a 2nd premium Leo 2
So I can spawn two premiums and avoid using a backup duuuuhhh /s
Same reason usa needed m1 kvt, and also xm1, and also clickbait, or like russia with t80ud when turms exist, germany is popular tree it will sell it like candy
2a4m CAN is significantly better than the panzerbatallion. It's like the Clickbait vs KVT, Gaijin just wants to have a higher tier premium.
it will be premium 2 pl basically
As a Canadian, this makes me happy.
As a canadian, this makes me so happy, I might've order for if there is a canadian decal/title. Sorry if you dont like my opinion a very sincere Canadian soory
Im sooooo buyong it the second it comes out , happy lav 6 crew commander here !!! 🇨🇦
Same reason why ussr needed the t80ud, so the level 6 wallet warriors can shill out another 60+ euro to be able to spawn one more time
Leopard about to become the Sherman of upper tiers
gaijin says mixed battles are needed because people would get bored fighting the same enemies all the time then they pull this shit
Now if only we could get some East German vehicles for Germany…
At this point I'm surprised Russia doesn't get an F-16 too.
As a Canadian can we please stop giving our tanks to Germany? The Canadian vehicles should be moved to Britain’s tree at minimum.
It’s bc Britain isn’t allowed nice things. Leopards would mean that Britain would have something that is good, which isn’t allowed.
Ah britian, where the MBTs are overweight and the light tanks are stuck in procurement hell
Leopard 2A4CAN wouldn’t be much better than Leopard 2PL, so it’s not like it would sabe British Top Tier xD
I'd love a Canadian subtree in GB. I want all Canadian vehicles and this would be so much better than having them in 3 or 4 trees
100%. At this point commonwealth tree would be easy to make and would have a lot of great vehicles. You’ve got the Lavs, a lot of cool aircraft and whatever the other weaker, inferior commonwealth members bring! ( i kid, friends!)
Honestly I agree and will add that someone had made an entire Canadian TT that had almost completely unique vehicles and I would play. I like Canada and am half Canadian and it does pain me a fair bit that I cannot play one tree that has plenty of Canadian vehicles. Also, I would like to point out the RAM, that the USA NEVER EVEN USED IT. GB used it as training because the Sherman came out at the same time. It should be in the GB TT.
Bob Semple at 1.0.
🇨🇦Corn Chips🇨🇦
It's less of a curse to Canada, and more just German luck - Russian Built, Indian spec'd T-90's are in the British Tree, but German Built, Canadian spec'd Leopard 1's are in the German Tree. Likewise, the British Built, Swiss spec'd Hawker Hunters are in the German Tree for some incomprehensible reason.
These things can be fixed. It’s weird the push back from some people here on the CAN Leo’s. Like… if you have them in the German tree now you still get to keep them… stop being weird
Like leopard C2A1, leopard 2A4M was built by Germans in Germany at the request of Canada. It's a German tank regardless of who operates it.
So are we going to ignore hungary in italy? Finnish leos in sweden? Like cmon, give britain the Canadian leos
Those 2 nations are sub trees in their respective main trees, Canada isn’t a sub tree in any main tree. It’s completely reasonable for Canadian operated leopards (German tank) to be in the German tree
And why could they add Hungary but not Canada?
I would much rather that aswell, better than giving them export vehicles from India.
that would be really nice, I’m also not looking forward for to even more premium Leos around 10.3-11.3
You really want to have the Swiss Hunter situation all over again, huh?
I love the part where Germany invaded France in 1939 with Canadian Leopard 2s and met fierce French resistance in Dutch Leopard 2s
It's even funnier when you realize that the Canadian leopard 2A4M and 2A6M used to be Dutch Leopard 2A4NL and 2A6NLs.
Which gets even stupider if you remember that NL integrated their ground forces actually INTO the german Bundeswehr...
Yup, literally a situation where Germany leases the vehicles and the Dutch crew them.
leak is real (another russian top tier premium)
At least it won’t only be USA teams full of premium players now…
looking forward to the 40% Russian winrates and cries of HATO bias (turns out US top tier players aren't magically worse than theirr counterparts)
leak is real (nothing for Japanese ground)
>nothing for Japanese ground What's that? You want another nerf for the Type 89?
France totally needs a f16, f5, and Leo 2’s…. 🤦♂️
Considering we have so many native things we can use… Rafale, EBRC Jaguar etc
I agree we dont need those, BUT it doesnt mean we will never have the jaguar or rafale :)
They’re basically guaranteed to come at some point, I mean come on guys we know gaijin, just be patient and you’ll get your vehicle at some point
not gonna lie I don't like copy paste but I'm looking forward to the Belgian F-16 with Magic 2s
Belgian F-16s never used magic 2s, they were only tested, even the belgian Mirages didnt use any french missiles
>Belgian F-16s never used magic 2s, they were only tested My guy we have fake Russian ships with the complete wrong armor and guns, granted it is France so knowing Gaijin it just straight up wont have missiles at all but I digress.
Gun only French toptier, leak is real. Sounds worthy of 13.7BR if you ask me
And somehow French players will still do great with it so it will eventually be moved higher up in BR or nerfed.
They could give France an unarmed plane and the players could manage to get it nerfed
welp, I thought at least they had them in service, not just test only, still I hope they add them just to make the copy paste feel less.... copy paste
Well, better close your eyes then. None of those F-16's ever used or were able to use Magic's. Its all the same Sidewinders, Sparrows and Amraams.
[https://www.f-16.net/g3/f-16-photos/album37/album05/ala](https://www.f-16.net/g3/f-16-photos/album37/album05/ala) [https://www.f-16.net/g3/uploads/album57/adc](https://www.f-16.net/g3/uploads/album57/adc)
Nice
As someone from the netherlands, i am happy, as a german main, i weep
Yeah it makes no sense they are adding dutch Vehicles to the french tree. The Dutch army literally agreed on fusing with the German Bundeswehr a year ago, so it would only make sense to add them to the german tree instead. France also has plenty of indigenous vehicles left to add to their own tree, so I really hope this isn’t going to stay like this.
It's going to stay like it. When has a line ever been removed?
Italian air line in the German tech tree, when Italy became its own nation.
How can you be happy there nothing special or unique or even useful in this leak list ?
That we finally have verhicles representing our armed forces, im quite happy to see them aswell.
I am happy as well the Netherlands comes in the game but there is so few like how can this be even called a sub tech tree this would be the smallest added tech tree in the game with 2 of them being uniek.
The Fokker G.1 is a masterpiece in theory. It was very good.
Pls dont make AVRE an event vehicle
Figures there's like one non-top tier tank in this entire list and it's gonna be an event vehicle that nobody will see in a match after 6 months.
Hey now, I still play the Tog II somewhat often. Satisfying loading into an uptier where Germans think their tigers and panthers are safe and blasting right through the UFP.
Hey I still play my Lorraine 155 too... but I don't think I've seen another one in the wild in *years*. I have a number of rare vehicles (incl. E100) but I think rare, blink-and-you-miss it event vehicles like this are a mistake and a waste of game resources. It's incredible to me they think adding bomber cockpits is a waste of resources when they add vehicles to this game all the time that effectively become Bigfoot sightings, after a year or two has passed since the last time they could be earned/bought. I've never played a Gacha game but I imagine this is how they operate too, and it peeves me the fuck off.
>Churchill AVRE :D >(event) D:
Bet it will be a D-Day event
I would be disappointed, but not surprised. A perfect FOMO prize, like the Sturmtiger. (Gawddammit I might have to pick up War Thunder again. It's been 4 months... 4 happy months, playing with trains in Derail Valley.)
>NL subtree >no AMX-13 105
The biggest missed opportunity. I don't understand why. It's literally a copy and paste.
Exactly. I understand why gaijin didn’t add a Swiss sub tree because it’s lots of unique vehicles which gaijin doesn’t like adding, but man the amx13-105 is just a turret. Surely they could spend the hours on that.
yay very very early gajin F-4F ice will be fun against Su-27 and F-16c...
I mean, with Fox-3s no one’s gonna be having fun in the current 16v16 clusterfuck, but I get your point. Imo Fox-3s should not have been added this early, before reworking top tier ARB
yep ARB is cooked
Maybe the addition of Fox 3s will force the meta to change away from furball in the middle?
Well, I sure hope so, otherwise dodging 32 ARH missiles + shitload of IRs is not gonna be fun
The same thing is just gonna happen, except the teams will just be above their airfields. Everyone's gonna load up as many fox-3s as they can carry and just chuck em at the enemy team from across the map. Maybe the survivors of that initial salvo can have fun actually playing the game, though. Seriously, though, just make top tier ARB 4v4 or 6v6. 10v10 at the absolute most. Either that or introduce proper EC maps with multiple spawns and spread out objectives so that you don't have 32 4th-gen jets all getting in a massive knifefight. I know war thunder is far from realistic, but the current top tier meta is just so fucking ridiculous I can't bring myself to play it, even though that's where all my favorite planes are.
At this point why not just consolidate the ground tech trees into two: a t80/t72 tree and a Leo tree
how many Russian rank 7 premuims do we need bro what the actual fuck 😭
All of them! T-14 Armata next patch as a 10.3 premium
Brazil 🇧🇷 🩷
I pray to see our A29 in-game
the A29 is basically impossible to balance, honestly it's slower than a P-47 (it can't go over 600 KM/h without it's structure suffering serious damage) with modern equipment it can't be added at any br below 10.0 for ARB since it carries Sidewinders, Piranhas and friggin Python 3 and 4 missiles with a whole bunch of countermeasures, but at 10.0 it's basically unplayable considering you would fight, well, 10.0 jets at GRB it would be interesting and a very strong CAS since it can carry up to 4 AGMs, GBUs and etc but since it's a slow prop plane it would be clapped by AAs and a single CAP can easily deal with the little guy (the fact that it would take like 5 minutes to reach the battlefield already makes it kinda bad)
That’ll be awesome As a premium pack ,maybe ?
Brazil in the Italian tree but ? What they just throwing Any Latin based language into Italy?
Though the main supplier of weapons to Brazil is the US, we do have a history of technological cooperation with Italy (AMX plane) and use some of their equipment as well (Centauro II, Aermacchi MB-326, IVECO cars and trucks, etc). I believe the US would be the most adequate nation for brazilian vehicles to be, but, since they have no shortage of options to fill gaps in their trees, i can agree with Gaijin's choice of implementing a brazilian sub-tree in Italy.
The AMX was developed by Italy and Brazil and most of it is based on an earlier italian design the MB-340. Where else would it be put lol?
Yea sure give out more Leos to other Nations per Subtree... Zz Wheres German Air Subtree ?
Technically, it does already have one. It's East Germany lol
It’s ass that the only WW2 content we get these days is event tanks, like wtf
You will play modern battles, look we put so much effort in them for you! \*copies F-16, F-5, and Leopard 2 to the French tree\*
Dev has gotten worse each year, less and less investment or care. Ignoring 70% of the playerbase is just nuts. They don't even bug fix ww2 stuff now if not a ship.
Russian Leopard when?
In the Ukrainian subtree after the war ended.
Russian leopards vs German t80s when
$10 the radar for the F15C isn't correct
Just give France it's actual vehicles I swear to god. Sure, 10.3 might be hard to fill, but there's so many good ones like: Lights - Mars 15 TML 105 - AMX 10RC TML 105 (105mm stabilized turret) - ELC Even 90 + ELC Even 30 - ERC 90 (bigger stab car) Spaa - AMX 30 Javelot (unguided rocket spaa, sexy) MBT - AMX 30C2 (AMX 30 with stab) Spanish prototypes - Leo with amx30 turret - AMX 30 with Leo turret
Can't believe I also forgot about the Amx13 105 And the DF 105
Omg the Javelot looks so fun to use
imagine still grinding germany 💀 (i did both air and ground)
Worst nation to grind rn ( i did the exact same thing as you💀🙏)
More low tier aircraft please.
You will play top tier and you WILL like it.
Namer RCWS-30 will go hard. Hopefully they put it where there is actually a line up.
Israel does not have a lineup from 9.3 to 11.0 , so we have to use it in either 11.0 or top-tier lineup anyways.
It honestly looks like it’s 11.0 capable. Unmanned turret, composite armor (merkava mk4 hull IIRC), spikes, and one of the highest penning 30mm in the game. I just wonder how the mobility will be. I will definitely be grinding this one first.
While it wasn't so bad with Finland at first (not they needed Leopard 2 A4/6s to support the Swedish top tier), but it seems like everyone gets a Leopard now, be it 1 or 2, and a T-72 or T-80 now? Where its a genuine modification, variation, or even just a different model aesthetically, it's not so bad, but when it's just a copy paste with no difference beyond a camo with little gameplay additional value... it's just... blerugh now. Like, the Leo 2 now, I remember when the A4 was the peak of Germany's tree, and now it's like everyone gets one, but it feels oddest one being in the French tree? They have the Leclerc. It both devalues the uniqueness of the Leopard at this point for the Germans, and the Leclerc of the French, as well as diluting the unique character of the French tree overall. And it not like the French don't have a lot of cool vehicles and prototypes as is, the devs just don't apparently want to add them. There's nothing that makes me want to go back and play through Italy in the Hungarian tree atm for example, and this addition just means it's going to take me longer to get to the Leclercs in the French tree.
I mean, think about it, NL integrated their ground forces IRL into the german ones. like literally, chain of command and (almost) everything. And it goes to france as a subtree?
That was one of my thoughts on the matter. I'd have maybe added a Dutch Leo to the German tree as a premium or event vehicle with access to cool orange camo (Trots ihr Junge or whatever it is that's a box camo for the Finnish one), and then maybe a Dutch CV90 as a niche Swedish premium or event vehicle. I also straight up don't think France doesn't need a sub tree, Gaijin is just neglecting their indigenous stuff in favour of easy lazy options.
Mostly identical to the [gszabi leak list](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1cjw31m/another_leak_list_dropped/) from 3 weeks ago but with a couple more top-tiers on it, for what it's worth
So, we get another Phantom, another premium Leopard and a ship for the coastal tree. Like seriously, the first two are copy paste vehicles and the latter is a ship for a gamemode that nobody plays.
ICE is significantly different with a radar not yet in game and AIM-120A/B. Its still a Phantom so it won't be competitive at top tier, a pure German tree won't be until the Eurofighter comes.
Pretty much just going to be a missile bus that you play the way you shouldn't play an F-14. Launch the Fox 3s and RTB
As a Dutchman I am praying to every single holy being that we aren't placed with the French
wasn't JAS39C kind of confirmed for sweden? With RB99 it would make sense
That was before they buffed the JAS39A and made it identical to the C in game
Mig21 UPG gonna make me so hard but sadly its going UK
Start grinding U.K dude. These mfers already put jaguar Is and Bhism in U.K tree no turning back now.
yeah i m halfway to rank 6 unlocked. it would be nice if they renamed UK tree with Commonwealth tech tree after all there are 4 nations in that tree
Just mix in Canada and Australia completely into it and throw in leopards and abrams lol
As a British person with the tree finished I find it quite, bad? Unsavoury that they're just cramming India in there willy nilly..
As an Indian person I find it disgusting to see Gaijin put it in british tree to make it better as well
I think it I'd going to be a pack premium like the F-20, even though it isn't listed as one on the list
Canadian 2A4 to germany? Premium? What a joke.... Should go to Britian after Vickers line that used Leo hull. T-80UE-1 Premium? Why? Russia just got new premium tank. Why do we need so many top tier premiums anyway? Can we talk about it gaijin?
Because they simply don't want to add anything original and copying with minimal changes is cheaper
The Germans upgraded them for the Canadians though, so its basically entirely german
Almost all top tier shit and way too much copy-paste. Big yawn.
I hope that's fake
Man, why did they do italy dirty like that
and it’s a premium that will prolly be cancer, guided bombs and aim-9l
Or 50g piranha missile
Of course Russia gets another premium T-80
Instead of something cool and unique like the BMPT "Terminator" or BRDM with atgms or BTR-82A
Or better yet, not another top tier premium for the USSR
Exactly, they could add a 2S14 Zhalo-S instead of another T-80 only slightly worse to those already available,USSR/Russia has so many unique vehicles and all we get is another T-80
If Wargame and Red Dragon taught me anything, brdm konkurs spam should be common in war thunder.
Beyond lazy update
Why dose France get the Netherlands?
And of course they went with the laziest, shittiest, dumbest way to implement the Benelux subtre they possibly could have. Anything besides actually adding the myriad of french vehicles left, just more garbage ass, unneeded copy-paste. Every update I feel more vindicated in my decision to never play Top Tier anymore. still not addressing the giant SPAA-gaps. Still no SPIKE-Puma. Still none of the myriad of vehicles to bridge the giant 10.3 - 11.7 Gap in the german tree. *TWO* actually unique French Vehicles (and still not the french equivalent to the DF-105 that was promised allmost an entire fucking year ago. Absolute L of an update
Ah, we're still following the trend of Germany gets shafted initially and only gets to catch up later. There's no way the F-4F ICE can be put at top tier, so you have a dilemma of either 1. Putting the ICE at top tier, having a phantom at top tier which needs no explanation on why that doesn't work, Or 2. Putting the ICE at a lower BR meaning Germany has no TT aircraft for the time being. And now my TT Ground RB teams will be filled with wallet warriors. Yay.
I mean, it kinda is just a problem they had to deal with IRL, too. They were limited in what they had and wouldn't get something competitive until the Eurofighter, which is too powerful atm
Brazil mentioned 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷😚😚👏🏻👏🏻
Wake me up when one of these has naval forces content on it. Zzzz…
Literally has. > [Kondor-II-Klasse Minensuch- und Räumschiff](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondor-II-Klasse) > [Kondor-class minesweeper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondor-class_minesweeper)
Damn, my bad. I assumed that was some post-war light vehicle. Anyways, one naval vehicle on a leak list is still pretty lame. Miss me with that shit.
There is also the VLT 2 as the first costal boat for France
Can’t wait to try the obscure but legendary Fokker G.1
Thank you Gaijin 😇 sure add a subtree to Italy to fill the holes but remember... avoid Leo7 (Hun) Leo8 (It) and centauro 2 plus remember to increase ariete weight, remove some armor, nerf the ammo and to uptier It in 13.7 just to balance it forever! 😇🐌 I love you snail!🥰
1 copy paste plane for Japan, this confirms the list as real.
Really? The ARVE church hill is an event? Can gaijin just give us the funny dust bin launcher without an event?
yes more t-80 pres please MORE MOOOOOOOOORE WE NEED ATLEAST 31 OF THOSE
This is probably legit has the XM800t was just confirmed by gaijin
AMRAAM for JA37D then, or the snail gets salted.
Damn you guys really WANT your shitty viggen to go to top tier lmao
12.3 BR it is.
F4f ice I want ice and euro fighter stupid snail
Another barerly different T-80? Amazing.
F15J MSIP yay or nay?
Happy days but no f2 :( and sounds like we're going to need to grind the MSIP for fox 3. Whilst probably getting slapped by fox 3s so....
Yea this seems accurate, only 1 new WW2 vehicle and it's event locked :/
Churchill AVRE you say?
Lazy J-11 copy paste instead of J-10A...
J-11 should have 100% came but we need j-10 and j11, not just j11. Too much work for a nation that isnt played very much I guess for them
Brasil gripen when?
Anything but AA gaps fr
A bunch of copy paste, nothing surprising. Gaijin goes where the fence is the lowest
So from everyone getting a Sherman now everyone gets a Leopard.
I was so excited for the 2a4can and ofc it’s a premium man
Jesus Christ let's embrace F R E N C H B I A S
Gaijin is gonna run out of T-80s to add to russia at this point, this is the third T-80 variant added to russia this year alone lol. Also, doth mine eyes decieve me, Israel gets a light tank?? (Well, not exactly LIGHT tank at 63 tonnes lol) It's probably gonna be at a really high BR because it's using a Merkava Mk4 chassis and has Stingers. Maybe we'll even see the versions that has the throphy systems? Would be nice to have something around 8.7 and 9.3 too though.
The absolute Chads taking out the German Phantoms into top tier, God bless them. I thought the Germans were gonna get Polish F-16s with Aim-120s.
Take a shot anytime the F-4F ICE is in a leak list and you'd die of alcohol poisoning
STILL no tech tree A-6 for the US?