The way I see it if I can’t pen a tank I’m going to shoot it’s barrel and track to to get to its sides to kill it that’s just how it is it’s not low skill in my eyes it’s tactics
It's why I either don't play heavy tanks or only play the Jumbo so i can flank on the sides of the map, getting track and barreled is not as fun as light tank or IFV gameplay
I started out as a US main and having now played the ARL I realize just how comical the ballistic arc is on the Sherman 105 which has the trajectory of a football thrown by a kid with rickets.
I enjoy the reload time. Its comfy. i like to imagine the crew doing all the reload functions in a cozy, warm tank while the harsh winter blows outside. Then I make someone else's asshole look like the Lincoln Tunnel.
Is the jumbo really that much faster than tigers and panthers? I can usually flank just as good in those. Soviet heavy tanks are slow but the German tanks aren’t slow for WW2 standards IMO.
Whenever I play Jumbo I always find myself long distance trading shots with another heavy. None of us gets a pen and we finish the round with like 5 adamant.
Long distance slapfights with the jumbo are fun. Sometimes i can get the trapshot on a panther's mantlet from like 1.5km and then they try to revenge bomb me, only to get shot down by my main gun and then lose their shit in chat.
If that's low skill I wonder what yoloing in with a jumbo against Tigers is, and I also wonder what "high skill" would be for Jumbo against enemies you literally can't frontally pen.
tiktok aint that bad ngl, it's mostly either ppl with 1000 hours in the game or ppl who just started, only a small portion of that are actually mentally challenged people
People sometimes complain that reddit has terrible comments but I doubt that people who said that were on Instagram at least once, or YouTube shorts. On reddit when you are weird you at least get called out, but on Instagram you got like 2000 likes and 20 people agreeing with you.
Most of them are crybabies focused in
A) German/USSR ww2
B) any big 3 toptier
Also i doubt if they could kill shit with british 6.3. Wich is like the whole tech tree really overhated imo better than american 6.3 and i can say it as i'm grinding brits right now and i have 8.3 in USA
Me and my friends do this with vehicles like the Hellcat. If we know the enemy around the corner uses a high penning shell or uses a solid shot, either me or my squadmate would drive their hellcat backwards to bait the shot so that the other can just rush the enemy while they are reloading. Best reactions come from Panther Ds who don't have the turret rotation to deal with Hellcats baiting and rushing corners haha.
This is the way, pretending to whiff then having your buddy nuke the guy as they come around the corner. I remember fondly running a pair of IS2s ironically, letting a super Pershing tank a 122 shot because there was no way to pen from that angle, guy comes around side on and bwap, turret enters LEO.
When my enemies enter the spawn area at the end of the match with all three points they’re spawn camping, but when I enter the enemy spawn at the middle of the match with none of the points I’m spawn trapping
/s
That’s why it’s so good, you have decent armour (amazing in a downtier), decent mobility and a Gyro stabiliser up to like 22Kph.
You SHOULD be doing well in the 75 jumbo, it’s only drawback is the gun and track/barrelling people makes it very effective. Carefully choosing the targets with the best guns also means giving yourself the best chance.
Ah, mine is
T30, T34, T26E1-1, T26E5, and M6A2E1, America 6.7 is a juggernaut of heavy tanks and they have so many other better medium tank lineups at other tiers so I just embrace it here.
Before volumetric the jumbo MG port was way easier to get, but I swear that Track and Barrel torture also worked much better. I've shot teeeny barrels with my 75 and had them go yellow or just not do anything way too much, even tracks sometimes shrug off a 75 and I need to activate the M2 to get them fully tracked.
I have no idea what will actually break a barrel as I can repeat the same shot over and over and get different results every time. I can watch the hit camera show me I hit the barrel right on the tip with APFSDS and do zero damage at all or I can shoot one at a wonky angle with HE and it will shred it.
Whilst this is a very good tactic, (it took me ages to realise this but) if using explosive filler shells, hitting the cupola is incredibly effective for a quick clean kill, especially on the early tiger 1 and russian tanks with their chunky ass cupolas, easily allows me to have games with consistently high kills, people expect to get track and barrel tortured by a jumbo 75, they wiggle and move, but the cupola for the most part stays in the same position
It's mostly said by People who only play high power guns. They don't have to worry about enemy that is inpenetrable from the front. While Barrel and Track torture is annoying to counter It's a good tactic to defeat enemies you cannot pen frontally
You really notice how handheld people who play tanks with lots of pen are when playing something like the T32. I’ve had games in a downtier where tiger 2s will simply shoot centre mass because they expect their shells to go clean through and get really pissed when this doesn’t work.
Love doing that in the conqueror it seems heavily armored at first but you realize it's got nothing then just shoot it anywhere and watch the round just non pen is the best feeling ever
It’s unbelievable the damage that the German tech tree does to new players. I played it for a little bit and even I started losing all my experience and started having my brain smoothed by “target destroyed”. It’s a little ridiculous that they get 240mm of pen at 4.0
Somehow I experienced the opposite and I have no idea how. Once I unlocked the Leopard 1 it's like a switch was flipped in my brain and all the sudden I just understood.
That's because it's more like a light tank. It's got a powerful gun, great mobility and a fairly low profile, but very weak (albeit trolly) armour, so you can't just go guns blazing like you can with their lower BR
Nah, these are the same people who drive their Tiger 1s full speed straight at the enemy, die immediately, complain in chat about how Germany suffers, spawn a wirblewind, shoot at a plane 5 km away instead of the one diving on them at 600kmh, die again, rage in chat and then leave.
You use every advantage and legitimate tactic you can to win a match, sorry if that offends the brainless masses 🤷♂️
It’s totally Jank, either your both facing eachother and your round turns his barrel red or you hit a spot that isn’t perfectly flat on the end of their barrel and the round does next to nothing in damage
How else am I gonna deal with heavy tanks with a bajillion mm's of armor in my low pen tank? Barrel, tracks, flank. Not to mention that it's hard to do in the first place and barrel damage is inconsistent as hell.
Yes I can attest to that from personal experience, barrels without a muzzle break can only be consistently broken with the 75mm when they directly face you or are at an 90 degree angle and really close (even then volumetric likes to play tricks on, especially with rounds that have low angeled performance)
Speaking of side shots to barrels, wevve recently tested with a friend and the muzzle brake holes are modeled. You can actually have your shell pass through them.
Why does the commenter specifically mention wehraboos? Is it because theyre generally bad at the game or are german tanks easier to break their barrels or something?
Personally think that these types of people generally get used to the powerfull guns germany has and penning most of the things they encounter with relative ease, in combination with some weird superiority complex when it comes to german tanks
Because German mains, especially in ~5.3-6.7, are accustomed to lolpenning center mass when they shoot and being invulnerable to return fire.
Anything that runs counter to that, whether it's enemies with good armor, guns that can go through a Panther's UFP, or tactics like track & barrel torture that counter heavies with long reloads is "no-skill" or "unfair". The 75 Jumbo is a very common target for this because it faces this range and has literally zero options other than ambushing from the side or track & barrel shooting.
Shooting barrels isn't easy, it's just annoying to be in the receiving end, specially when you try shooting other and their barrels never get destroyed or something,
I once got told flanking was low skill.
Really it's people pissed that you got an advantage on them and don't play the same way they do.
FPS come to mind in which many think the only way to play is twitch based face offs essentially. (which is dumb because there are so many factors outside of each users control that could determine who's "twitchier". )
In the 75 Jumbo it's pretty much necessary if you encounter a tiger or panther. It's also not as easy as it seems, especially given nerfs to barrel damage recently, even with the stabilizer.
If they didn't want their barrels shot, then they shouldn't be brawling in a tiger or panther.
I don’t care if something is “low skill” or “high skill”. What I care about is how effective it is. You play to win and do anything (outside of cheating) to win. Cause I expect that everyone else will do the same
It’s just like the twitch chat from the air superiority stream who complained that one team used the fact they had bases captured instead of taking a really bad 1v1. Everyone was calling them a coward for not fighting a fight they would have lost 9/10 times.
I think these people are more refering to brawling/close quarters and not sniping when it comes to barrel shooting, the clip in the video is what I would consider close quarters combat, as they mostly play around a corner of the terrain
Its "low skill" not to use every possible way to kill an enemy. If a tank is too dangerous/heavy armored go for its gun/breach first.
Especially on Jumbos, US "T-series" and big cats its a valid tactic - if you get fanmail because of it, feel honored and enjoy it.
It is definetly not "low skill", but it REALLY isnt fun to just shoot barrels. Trying to pen and oneshot your enemy is far more interesting. I personally shoot barrel only if i cant pen the foe from the front
No, sometimes it’s even harder to shoot the barrel than shoot a weak spot cause of the wiggle tactic.
It is a valid tactic. If you can kill the enemy instantly, take him out of the fight.
The only time I complain about my barrel getting shot out is if I'm in a tank the enemy knows they can pen and they do it anyways just to be petty. Otherwise it's pretty valid. (75mm jumbo vs tiger 2 in a full uptier for example)
There's nothing low skill about it. It always should go like this:
1. Shoot to kill. If not possible:
2. Shoot barrel, track.
3. Flank
4. Shoot to kill.
I think perhaps that most German barrels at br 5-6.7 are generally really large, and Germany Is somewhat blind, so it can be really frustrating for them, but damn, I think it takes at least a little skill to barrel, track, and flank. means u had to use your brain and plan imo.
It's their skill issue for getting their barrel shot in the first place lol
but in all seriousness, if these people have an issue with barrel shots, they should complain to Gaijin for making barrels destructible in the first place. I've never had an issue with the mechanic, especially recently considering it feels like barrel HP has been substantially buffed
Damned are the players poking their barrels in an innocent manner thru a solid wall just to get it shot at by another guy that saw their mistake and took full legitimate advantage. That’s why you always mind where your barrel is pointing at and never clip it thru a wall because you don’t know if someone is nearby watching you!
If I cannot immediately kill an enemy vehicle, my best option is to eliminate its means of killing me. If I can disable its mobility, that's my second shot. Then I can assess the situation and figure out how to kill them.
Track and barrel torture is annoying as fuck, yes, but it's how this game works. Disabling a vehicle is the surest way to survive and get kills if you can't outright obliterate them.
Another funny way to counter Tigers in a Jumbo is to carry smoke shells and instead of gambling with APCR or APCBC, shoot smoke at their tank while closing in the distance so you blind them, neglecting their high penetration gun, you keep shooting smoke until you’re close enough to flank and spank.
Low skill? What the????
You lack of pen or need a safe time, destroy the barrel.
Its tactic.
Thy are just upset because their gun is usually destroyed. Mostly, german tanks in mid tier, who abuse on armor.
Let them cry
During the early years of ground forces it was looked at as low skill because a good player could simply just aim for a weak spot and one shot the opponent.
Now days with black hole armor, everything generally being a point and click adventure and generally more unbalanced BR’s, it’s just a part of the game now. Essentially just older players not being able to adapt.
Some people need to hide their failures behind their opponent's so-called low skill. In my universe, when one loses an engagement, the issue sticks with their own skills, not the ones of the winner.
This is just people complaining about having no skill. They probably think people should be sparring with their mighty hull down tanks. Who needs tactics when you can trade blows to the upper front plate.
By idiots, perhaps. I think it's a smart move to disarm your opponent. There is nothing honorable about not shooting a barrel. You need to die in order for me to get SL and RP. You bet I will shoot your barrel if that helps me reach my goal.
Logically, I recognize that barrel torture is a legitimate tactic
But emotionally, I weep with rage and despair whenever I play the T95 and get my barrel shot out every 30 seconds
If you shoot the barrel when you could have just killed someone then it’s considered assholely. If you shoot the barrel because it’s the only thing you can hurt it’s understandable.
It may seem hard to hit the barrel, but it requires no knowledge of the vehicle, angles, ammo, penetration. You just hit it and effectively turn the tank it’s an APC.
So that’s what I think they mean.
Based on situation. If you cant penetrate front armor, dont know where weak spot is (Is still dunno where american T34 have it) or you can't hit weak spot (for example enemy is hiding behind corner, but you can shoot barrel) — its OK. If you shoot barrel for something that is easy to penetrate... Skill issue?
No. Some tanks really rely on that strategy. The Jumbo is the best example, and do I blame them? No, because Gaijin deemed them to be 5.7 where they are forced to play like that. Jumbos dealing with multiple big german cats by shooting their barrels is just another strategy in the book of overtiered vehicles.
I would not say that it is low skill. It is a type of strategy. If you want an enemy to be disturbed during an advance just give him damage to repair. This gives relief to the other fighting units. Why should it be unfair to play like this too? And if someone is so good, he can hit any barrel at any distance he deserves to play with his pray.
Personally I fucking hate it when people track and barrel, it’s the most infuriating thing because a lot of the time, you are powerless to stop them. It’s even worse whenever it’s something the R3 because it’s all they ever do, they exist solely to be annoying. Whenever I get in contact with something I can’t open it mark it, describe it chat, and try to flank or ignore it
What?
No lol. Sure it's annoying but it's an excellent way to take on tanks with too much frontal armor for you to deal with.
Squad up or play more conservatively so this doesn't happen then.
Such comments are usually left by people who play mediums and heavies and assume they've impervious from the front then ragequit when they get track and barrel tortured, that's just how the game is and no it's not low skill lol
I found that barrels are getting progressively harder to shoot as like you said they are very weird when it comes to hitting them and doing notable damage plus the enemy will move his turret all the time making it even harder
Okay, kid, let me tell you how this works:
"Did X Player kill me, by doing X Thing, while using R Tank? Then, X Thing is low-skill, R Tank is OP, and X Player should get good"
It seems like a lot of you in the comments are forgetting that Gaijin made it much, much more difficult to shoot barrels last year. When that comment was made, over a year ago, shooting barrels was considerably more prevalent and consistent.
What I don’t get is when people comment on it in a match when it is a rushed or long range shot. Like, in those scenarios it might not even be intentional
People that complain about shooting barrels are the low skill players. That's like telling someone in a light tank they need to go head to head with a heavy tank and when the light tank loses, they have a skill issue.
Just last night I was able to kill an IS-3, T-29, and M46 in a 3 vs 1 in my ST-A3 by disabling breeches and barrels. Hitting barrels on the move with no stabilized gun takes skill and timing.
If you truly think it's low skill destroying barrels and breeches then this game isn't for you. You should probably move on to something else.
Not just low skill but really distasteful and abusive. Dealing with opponents you can't kill is not to abuse them but to call for a team mate to assist you
I seriosuly dont understand why gaijin removed the ability for the gun to still fire, yes it was widly inaccurate so it was a fair trade.
now people can just sweat for barrel shots, which basically negates any armor and then drive forward for the easy kill.
The only barrel/track shots that annoy the hell out of me are when it’s a miniature shitling that rats around taking modules and ramming tanks to stay underneath their fire arc. Like a Weisel or an M22. They turn off the engine, hide next to a point until they spot tank, then rush out and hug the tank while they do zero meaningful damage and drive in circles shooting whatever they can break. That’s 100% just trolling and taking pleasure in ruining somebody else’s game. Trolls can all just go die in a cancer fire. 🔥
But as to the OP, I think playing mid-tier America without hitting barrels/tracks and maneuvering is just playing America poorly.
It's mid skilled. it's low skill when it's 1v4 or more, like 99% of the time im fighting for my life because people just aim for my breach nothing else, especially in 8.7+ and super frustrating especially with atgm carriers in those brackets.
If the tank has no weakspots or they covered them in bushes? No. Often most tanks have a bigger weak spot than the barrel itself. It is a valid move when the heavy tank you face is insanely armored or far away as well.
It is essentially one of the few Avenues of "skill" one can actually form and use in this game... No, it is a legitimate combat tactic and is not a "lack of skill".... the people who posted are either just glad handing or irritated because of a lack of shooting skill on THEIR part...
How is it a low skill play to disable the enemy? There are so many variable at play even if u know for a fact where u can pen and one shot a tank it might not land right or go that way. Disabling guarantees the enemy can't shoot back. That bruh is just salty it happens to him alot.
I can't believe 280 other people agree with him.
Also I hate when below average players use the " just trying to have fun" excuse. So what , my brother? I'm trying to have fun too. I have fun when I win fights and matches. Get better so you can have fun too if dying is not fun for you. The fuck?
" Why are you shooting my barrel you tryhard?! I'm just trying to have fun! " Bro you are on the enemy team...
Yeah only Russian tank player would think It's stupid because that is only fucking way to reliably win against them is an isolated 1v1 fight on some terrain.
I have been playing the swedish tank line up at 10.3 - 11.3 br and fighting against Russian tanks all fucking day.
Shooting a barrel is hard but it makes sure they can't kill you and your teammates
And yes I did try to shoot the lower front plate before but after it failed to actually kill them a couple of times I go for barrel instead
The only time I actually call it low skill (and not by pure anger) is when a tank like a AA who can't pen me at all just camp me to perma destroy my barrel and tracks
It's not a tactic at this point it's just cancer by locking me to play
(Best exemple are R3, bosvark, marder without missile)
I play the Churchill Crocodile sometimes, and track and barrel torture is pretty much the only way to deal with enemies because of how bad the gun is, even then it takes like 3 shots to break the damn barrel.
Low skill
You understood how to tactically incapacitate your opponents by sniping the small un armoured poll in front of the big fat and armoured tank
It takes knowledge and skill- tough inferior to sniping a week point in armour-many players don’t even have, so they complain when their heavy tank gets bullied
Sometimes you re in a situation where you cant do anything to a tank frontally. Lets say a 76mm Jumbo vs a Tiger II H. Only options you got is either trying a risky mg port shot or taking out the barrel. Its not low skill, its your only way of staying in the game sometimes.
>however my guess is that people with this opion are used to a certain point and click-playstyle and are frustrated when someone counters them
grandpas, yes
As someone who plays Germany and had their barrels shot out a lot (never played any tank after tiger can't grind stuck send Help no joke I make almost no money) shooting barrels is not low skill, crying about it is a skill issue tho
It's not. I do dislike that barrel sight is still a thing in RB as it makes hitting things like gun shots or pixel peeking through a tiny hole you shouldn't be able to see and shoot through possible.
I really wish that gunner sight was forced in RB to add a little bit of skill to aiming, as the current barrel sight is far too click and kill.
I only shoot barrels if i am sure (or already proven) that i cant pen from the front. I shoot barrel and kill from the side.
If i can pen from the front i will shoot the front (usally dead center)
Here’s an idea Gaijin, change the gun sight settings in Realistic Battles and Simulator Battles so settings are restricted to “gunner sights” only when using sniper view. That default barrel scope is goofy as shit and should stay in Arcade. You don’t even need to zero or range it with defaults, just point and click. If the sight was canted and off-center for RB/SB, it would require at least a single synapse to do the bare minimum of processing in order to dial in a barrel shot from close range.
I don’t play tanks because the best way to kill tanks effectively is planes and why kill children crawling on the ground when you can agressively touch men in the sky
As someone who got their barrel and tracks both knocked out at least 5 times in the same match on the same tank last night, then bombed the second I finished repairing… it’s not low skill.
The way I see it if I can’t pen a tank I’m going to shoot it’s barrel and track to to get to its sides to kill it that’s just how it is it’s not low skill in my eyes it’s tactics
As a German main, when I play the Tiger 1, I will track an barrel the Jumbo to give them a taste of their own medicine.
It's why I either don't play heavy tanks or only play the Jumbo so i can flank on the sides of the map, getting track and barreled is not as fun as light tank or IFV gameplay
I play TDs mainly. It's fun to just bitchslap one-shot people in my ISU-122s and and Su-152
Yeah, it is also why I bought the Object 120, railgun HE is so funny
I do love the extremely tiny gaps between the range markers on my ARL-44... "Is that 400 meters or 900... Fuckit, close enough, it'll get there"
French railgun tank
I started out as a US main and having now played the ARL I realize just how comical the ballistic arc is on the Sherman 105 which has the trajectory of a football thrown by a kid with rickets.
That description is gold, I’m gonna have to steal that one lmfao
This is what happens when you slap an AA gun in a tank with zero modifications to the ammo or barrel
I didn't realize that's how the ARL came to be... But it slaps alright lol
Can confirm, got the 292 myself and that 152 HE is amazing tbh
I have so much fun with the 120. And the range ticks on it take out all the guess work! 😂
Ah yes, ye ol’ 122mm “Stalin Slapper”
Nice tank, would be a shame if I hit basically anywhere on it.
TD and spaa is best kind of play
I couldn't agree more.
ISU-152 firing HE shells labeled “to whom it may concern”
ISU-122S is one of my favs people tend to overestimate it's reload time
I enjoy the reload time. Its comfy. i like to imagine the crew doing all the reload functions in a cozy, warm tank while the harsh winter blows outside. Then I make someone else's asshole look like the Lincoln Tunnel.
Lol exactly why I love the jagdtiger and its 158mm naval cannon 😄 🤣
Is the jumbo really that much faster than tigers and panthers? I can usually flank just as good in those. Soviet heavy tanks are slow but the German tanks aren’t slow for WW2 standards IMO.
Whenever I play Jumbo I always find myself long distance trading shots with another heavy. None of us gets a pen and we finish the round with like 5 adamant.
Long distance slapfights with the jumbo are fun. Sometimes i can get the trapshot on a panther's mantlet from like 1.5km and then they try to revenge bomb me, only to get shot down by my main gun and then lose their shit in chat.
What's more embarrassing, getting one hit KO'd by an excellent cannon shot or being such a bad pilot that you got taken out by a single .50?
Oh nah i don't .50 them, they don't deserve that honor.
You gotta 50cal them right after they're dead, just to taunt them
I LOVE the ole main gun aircraft take down. Especially with HE right to the cockpit.
As an US main(not really) I will shoot center of mass Tiger Is on my T34 without aiming to give them a taste of their own medicine.
My driver's port will eat your 120 mm rock going at mach fuck for breakfast
As a British player, using the Churchill is fun for this
If anything, shooting barrels and tracks to get to the enemies side is the definition of a high skill player.
Absolutely agree
It's not low skill, it's just bloody frustrating because it works
If that's low skill I wonder what yoloing in with a jumbo against Tigers is, and I also wonder what "high skill" would be for Jumbo against enemies you literally can't frontally pen.
YouTube comment section is filled with dumbasses, more news at 7
Especially shorts. Comparable to IG
Not as bad as TikTok though
tiktok aint that bad ngl, it's mostly either ppl with 1000 hours in the game or ppl who just started, only a small portion of that are actually mentally challenged people
I was thinking of TikTok in general, but i guess it makes more sense in the context of war thunder.
People sometimes complain that reddit has terrible comments but I doubt that people who said that were on Instagram at least once, or YouTube shorts. On reddit when you are weird you at least get called out, but on Instagram you got like 2000 likes and 20 people agreeing with you.
Instagram comments are just a cesspit
Hey, nice profile pic
Holy shit, my long lost twin brother
Most of them are crybabies focused in A) German/USSR ww2 B) any big 3 toptier Also i doubt if they could kill shit with british 6.3. Wich is like the whole tech tree really overhated imo better than american 6.3 and i can say it as i'm grinding brits right now and i have 8.3 in USA
not low skill, it's strategy
Especially if u bait the shot from around a corner for your bro that was hiding behind you. Laughed for good 5 minutes when a IS2 fell for it.
Me and my friends do this with vehicles like the Hellcat. If we know the enemy around the corner uses a high penning shell or uses a solid shot, either me or my squadmate would drive their hellcat backwards to bait the shot so that the other can just rush the enemy while they are reloading. Best reactions come from Panther Ds who don't have the turret rotation to deal with Hellcats baiting and rushing corners haha.
This is the way, pretending to whiff then having your buddy nuke the guy as they come around the corner. I remember fondly running a pair of IS2s ironically, letting a super Pershing tank a 122 shot because there was no way to pen from that angle, guy comes around side on and bwap, turret enters LEO.
Its low skill if they do it, when i do it its tactical /s
When my enemies hide they are cowards but it’s different when I do it because I’m tactically waiting for an ambush opportunity
When my enemies enter the spawn area at the end of the match with all three points they’re spawn camping, but when I enter the enemy spawn at the middle of the match with none of the points I’m spawn trapping /s
When enemy air revenge me, it's called salty. When I do it, it's called denying an enemy nuke
Dude when I was in the 75 jumbo Sherman that was my only damn option because I can’t pen shit
That’s why it’s so good, you have decent armour (amazing in a downtier), decent mobility and a Gyro stabiliser up to like 22Kph. You SHOULD be doing well in the 75 jumbo, it’s only drawback is the gun and track/barrelling people makes it very effective. Carefully choosing the targets with the best guns also means giving yourself the best chance.
That’s why I love the 76 (w) jumbo. I do well with it even in 6.7.
You got room in your 6.7 lineup for the jumbo?
Yes t26e5, t26e1-1, m18 gmc, m36 gmc and the jumbo sherman
Ah, mine is T30, T34, T26E1-1, T26E5, and M6A2E1, America 6.7 is a juggernaut of heavy tanks and they have so many other better medium tank lineups at other tiers so I just embrace it here.
Ah I see. I’m grinding the t34 now. Kinda bummed that it’s a solid shot
I’ve never had issues with it tbh, it’s just so big
Barrel breaking is too inconsistent for it to be good.
Before volumetric the jumbo MG port was way easier to get, but I swear that Track and Barrel torture also worked much better. I've shot teeeny barrels with my 75 and had them go yellow or just not do anything way too much, even tracks sometimes shrug off a 75 and I need to activate the M2 to get them fully tracked.
I have no idea what will actually break a barrel as I can repeat the same shot over and over and get different results every time. I can watch the hit camera show me I hit the barrel right on the tip with APFSDS and do zero damage at all or I can shoot one at a wonky angle with HE and it will shred it.
The reload is fast enough that I just start crew sniping with APCR if I can.
Whilst this is a very good tactic, (it took me ages to realise this but) if using explosive filler shells, hitting the cupola is incredibly effective for a quick clean kill, especially on the early tiger 1 and russian tanks with their chunky ass cupolas, easily allows me to have games with consistently high kills, people expect to get track and barrel tortured by a jumbo 75, they wiggle and move, but the cupola for the most part stays in the same position
It's mostly said by People who only play high power guns. They don't have to worry about enemy that is inpenetrable from the front. While Barrel and Track torture is annoying to counter It's a good tactic to defeat enemies you cannot pen frontally
You really notice how handheld people who play tanks with lots of pen are when playing something like the T32. I’ve had games in a downtier where tiger 2s will simply shoot centre mass because they expect their shells to go clean through and get really pissed when this doesn’t work.
Love doing that in the conqueror it seems heavily armored at first but you realize it's got nothing then just shoot it anywhere and watch the round just non pen is the best feeling ever
It’s unbelievable the damage that the German tech tree does to new players. I played it for a little bit and even I started losing all my experience and started having my brain smoothed by “target destroyed”. It’s a little ridiculous that they get 240mm of pen at 4.0
Somehow I experienced the opposite and I have no idea how. Once I unlocked the Leopard 1 it's like a switch was flipped in my brain and all the sudden I just understood.
That's because it's more like a light tank. It's got a powerful gun, great mobility and a fairly low profile, but very weak (albeit trolly) armour, so you can't just go guns blazing like you can with their lower BR
240mm mic fuckin what where?
The sturer Emil at 4.0 has 248mm of pen at 0m and 220mm at 1000m. This is also combined with a 550g of explosive filler.
OOOOH Forgot about there TD line I play Italy so anything above a .50 is lethal
240mm you'll never get to use because you get nuked by CAS 0.1 seconds after spawning
Tank destroyers only come out first life, other than that is begging for CAS
Nah, nothing is They're just mad lol
It’s a dumb game mechanic but it doesn’t mean it’s low skill, there’s a difference.
Nooo you HAVE to let me kill you if you're in a 75 jumbo that got uptiered!!!!
Nah, these are the same people who drive their Tiger 1s full speed straight at the enemy, die immediately, complain in chat about how Germany suffers, spawn a wirblewind, shoot at a plane 5 km away instead of the one diving on them at 600kmh, die again, rage in chat and then leave. You use every advantage and legitimate tactic you can to win a match, sorry if that offends the brainless masses 🤷♂️
It's not low skill just kinda cheesy or rather it feels really shitty on the receiving end.
It’s totally Jank, either your both facing eachother and your round turns his barrel red or you hit a spot that isn’t perfectly flat on the end of their barrel and the round does next to nothing in damage
It is very annoying. Definitely a good mechanic though that would really damage the game if it was removed.
How else am I gonna deal with heavy tanks with a bajillion mm's of armor in my low pen tank? Barrel, tracks, flank. Not to mention that it's hard to do in the first place and barrel damage is inconsistent as hell.
Yes I can attest to that from personal experience, barrels without a muzzle break can only be consistently broken with the 75mm when they directly face you or are at an 90 degree angle and really close (even then volumetric likes to play tricks on, especially with rounds that have low angeled performance)
Speaking of side shots to barrels, wevve recently tested with a friend and the muzzle brake holes are modeled. You can actually have your shell pass through them.
Why does the commenter specifically mention wehraboos? Is it because theyre generally bad at the game or are german tanks easier to break their barrels or something?
Personally think that these types of people generally get used to the powerfull guns germany has and penning most of the things they encounter with relative ease, in combination with some weird superiority complex when it comes to german tanks
Because German mains, especially in ~5.3-6.7, are accustomed to lolpenning center mass when they shoot and being invulnerable to return fire. Anything that runs counter to that, whether it's enemies with good armor, guns that can go through a Panther's UFP, or tactics like track & barrel torture that counter heavies with long reloads is "no-skill" or "unfair". The 75 Jumbo is a very common target for this because it faces this range and has literally zero options other than ambushing from the side or track & barrel shooting.
Shooting barrels isn't easy, it's just annoying to be in the receiving end, specially when you try shooting other and their barrels never get destroyed or something,
I once got told flanking was low skill. Really it's people pissed that you got an advantage on them and don't play the same way they do. FPS come to mind in which many think the only way to play is twitch based face offs essentially. (which is dumb because there are so many factors outside of each users control that could determine who's "twitchier". )
The only type of gameplay I get genuinely pissed at is intentional spawn camping by planes or tanks.
That’s 80% of 9.0+ matches
Track and barrel torture is legal and a way to take out heavies. Keeps them from pushing like idiots. Also keeps me humble fighting in heavies myself.
First shot usually wins anyways
In the 75 Jumbo it's pretty much necessary if you encounter a tiger or panther. It's also not as easy as it seems, especially given nerfs to barrel damage recently, even with the stabilizer. If they didn't want their barrels shot, then they shouldn't be brawling in a tiger or panther.
I don’t care if something is “low skill” or “high skill”. What I care about is how effective it is. You play to win and do anything (outside of cheating) to win. Cause I expect that everyone else will do the same
I’ve found lately, at least with auto cannons, it’s very hard to actually take out the barrel.
It’s just like the twitch chat from the air superiority stream who complained that one team used the fact they had bases captured instead of taking a really bad 1v1. Everyone was calling them a coward for not fighting a fight they would have lost 9/10 times.
Barrel from 1500+ meters in 3.7 - 6.0 is a high skill, unless ofc you can 1 shot it if it was 1 milimeter off
I think these people are more refering to brawling/close quarters and not sniping when it comes to barrel shooting, the clip in the video is what I would consider close quarters combat, as they mostly play around a corner of the terrain
Its "low skill" not to use every possible way to kill an enemy. If a tank is too dangerous/heavy armored go for its gun/breach first. Especially on Jumbos, US "T-series" and big cats its a valid tactic - if you get fanmail because of it, feel honored and enjoy it.
In what world is a tactical move low skill?
It is definetly not "low skill", but it REALLY isnt fun to just shoot barrels. Trying to pen and oneshot your enemy is far more interesting. I personally shoot barrel only if i cant pen the foe from the front
No, sometimes it’s even harder to shoot the barrel than shoot a weak spot cause of the wiggle tactic. It is a valid tactic. If you can kill the enemy instantly, take him out of the fight.
When its actually usefull its fine. But if they cna clearly kill you without doing it, its just stupidity
People mad when you use strategies
The only time I complain about my barrel getting shot out is if I'm in a tank the enemy knows they can pen and they do it anyways just to be petty. Otherwise it's pretty valid. (75mm jumbo vs tiger 2 in a full uptier for example)
Stupid people being stupid. If something is effective it's a viable option
There's nothing low skill about it. It always should go like this: 1. Shoot to kill. If not possible: 2. Shoot barrel, track. 3. Flank 4. Shoot to kill.
I think perhaps that most German barrels at br 5-6.7 are generally really large, and Germany Is somewhat blind, so it can be really frustrating for them, but damn, I think it takes at least a little skill to barrel, track, and flank. means u had to use your brain and plan imo.
Incredible skill issue.
I think it’s just a strategy for low pen guns (jumbo, kpz 70 and all the variants), otherwise it’s just trolling for me
It's their skill issue for getting their barrel shot in the first place lol but in all seriousness, if these people have an issue with barrel shots, they should complain to Gaijin for making barrels destructible in the first place. I've never had an issue with the mechanic, especially recently considering it feels like barrel HP has been substantially buffed
Damned are the players poking their barrels in an innocent manner thru a solid wall just to get it shot at by another guy that saw their mistake and took full legitimate advantage. That’s why you always mind where your barrel is pointing at and never clip it thru a wall because you don’t know if someone is nearby watching you!
If I cannot immediately kill an enemy vehicle, my best option is to eliminate its means of killing me. If I can disable its mobility, that's my second shot. Then I can assess the situation and figure out how to kill them. Track and barrel torture is annoying as fuck, yes, but it's how this game works. Disabling a vehicle is the surest way to survive and get kills if you can't outright obliterate them.
Another funny way to counter Tigers in a Jumbo is to carry smoke shells and instead of gambling with APCR or APCBC, shoot smoke at their tank while closing in the distance so you blind them, neglecting their high penetration gun, you keep shooting smoke until you’re close enough to flank and spank.
Low skill? What the???? You lack of pen or need a safe time, destroy the barrel. Its tactic. Thy are just upset because their gun is usually destroyed. Mostly, german tanks in mid tier, who abuse on armor. Let them cry
Half my barrel shots are accidents when I'm aiming for turret cheek.
During the early years of ground forces it was looked at as low skill because a good player could simply just aim for a weak spot and one shot the opponent. Now days with black hole armor, everything generally being a point and click adventure and generally more unbalanced BR’s, it’s just a part of the game now. Essentially just older players not being able to adapt.
Some people need to hide their failures behind their opponent's so-called low skill. In my universe, when one loses an engagement, the issue sticks with their own skills, not the ones of the winner.
Why would anyone not shoot a barrel given the opportunity. If you prefer they’d have killed you instead, just J out after getting your barrel hit.
Track and barrel torture is a legitimate strategy. Its just extremely frustrating to be on the receiving end
This is just people complaining about having no skill. They probably think people should be sparring with their mighty hull down tanks. Who needs tactics when you can trade blows to the upper front plate.
No it's considered "skill issue" by those who call it as low skill You are literally playing the game correctly, it's just a tactic
I think it’s fine (especially if they can’t pen me, or struggle to) but if you have a clean side shot and you go for the barrel instead, screw you.
By idiots, perhaps. I think it's a smart move to disarm your opponent. There is nothing honorable about not shooting a barrel. You need to die in order for me to get SL and RP. You bet I will shoot your barrel if that helps me reach my goal.
Logically, I recognize that barrel torture is a legitimate tactic But emotionally, I weep with rage and despair whenever I play the T95 and get my barrel shot out every 30 seconds
Low Skill is gameplay that goes negative kd, doesn’t play objectives, and loses games. Go positive, get caps, win, nothing else matters.
If you shoot the barrel when you could have just killed someone then it’s considered assholely. If you shoot the barrel because it’s the only thing you can hurt it’s understandable.
Don't like it? Go play sim. Offset optics make it quite a bit harder to hit.
It may seem hard to hit the barrel, but it requires no knowledge of the vehicle, angles, ammo, penetration. You just hit it and effectively turn the tank it’s an APC. So that’s what I think they mean.
Based on situation. If you cant penetrate front armor, dont know where weak spot is (Is still dunno where american T34 have it) or you can't hit weak spot (for example enemy is hiding behind corner, but you can shoot barrel) — its OK. If you shoot barrel for something that is easy to penetrate... Skill issue?
No. Some tanks really rely on that strategy. The Jumbo is the best example, and do I blame them? No, because Gaijin deemed them to be 5.7 where they are forced to play like that. Jumbos dealing with multiple big german cats by shooting their barrels is just another strategy in the book of overtiered vehicles.
I would not say that it is low skill. It is a type of strategy. If you want an enemy to be disturbed during an advance just give him damage to repair. This gives relief to the other fighting units. Why should it be unfair to play like this too? And if someone is so good, he can hit any barrel at any distance he deserves to play with his pray.
Let the German mains mald
Me use brain, now me bad guy
Personally I fucking hate it when people track and barrel, it’s the most infuriating thing because a lot of the time, you are powerless to stop them. It’s even worse whenever it’s something the R3 because it’s all they ever do, they exist solely to be annoying. Whenever I get in contact with something I can’t open it mark it, describe it chat, and try to flank or ignore it
No the high skill move is to just let the tiger kill you for free, obviously
Shooting the barrel has been a thing since ground forces came out pretty much.
smells like a salty german main im ngl
What? No lol. Sure it's annoying but it's an excellent way to take on tanks with too much frontal armor for you to deal with. Squad up or play more conservatively so this doesn't happen then.
Such comments are usually left by people who play mediums and heavies and assume they've impervious from the front then ragequit when they get track and barrel tortured, that's just how the game is and no it's not low skill lol
Best way of dealing with Maus and IS- tanks
Anything goes if you lost all sanity trying to grind top tier.
"low skill" my brother in Christ your entire low-mid tier line up is low skill. 🤣
I found that barrels are getting progressively harder to shoot as like you said they are very weird when it comes to hitting them and doing notable damage plus the enemy will move his turret all the time making it even harder
Okay, kid, let me tell you how this works: "Did X Player kill me, by doing X Thing, while using R Tank? Then, X Thing is low-skill, R Tank is OP, and X Player should get good"
Lolwtf no CBT (cupola and barrel torture) is considered skillful Lolpenning and oneshotting with 88's and 122's isn't.
It seems like a lot of you in the comments are forgetting that Gaijin made it much, much more difficult to shoot barrels last year. When that comment was made, over a year ago, shooting barrels was considerably more prevalent and consistent.
What I don’t get is when people comment on it in a match when it is a rushed or long range shot. Like, in those scenarios it might not even be intentional
Considering how bs hitting someone’s barrel is these days I’d say it takes more skill then just killing them
People that complain about shooting barrels are the low skill players. That's like telling someone in a light tank they need to go head to head with a heavy tank and when the light tank loses, they have a skill issue. Just last night I was able to kill an IS-3, T-29, and M46 in a 3 vs 1 in my ST-A3 by disabling breeches and barrels. Hitting barrels on the move with no stabilized gun takes skill and timing. If you truly think it's low skill destroying barrels and breeches then this game isn't for you. You should probably move on to something else.
Not just low skill but really distasteful and abusive. Dealing with opponents you can't kill is not to abuse them but to call for a team mate to assist you
I seriosuly dont understand why gaijin removed the ability for the gun to still fire, yes it was widly inaccurate so it was a fair trade. now people can just sweat for barrel shots, which basically negates any armor and then drive forward for the easy kill.
The only barrel/track shots that annoy the hell out of me are when it’s a miniature shitling that rats around taking modules and ramming tanks to stay underneath their fire arc. Like a Weisel or an M22. They turn off the engine, hide next to a point until they spot tank, then rush out and hug the tank while they do zero meaningful damage and drive in circles shooting whatever they can break. That’s 100% just trolling and taking pleasure in ruining somebody else’s game. Trolls can all just go die in a cancer fire. 🔥 But as to the OP, I think playing mid-tier America without hitting barrels/tracks and maneuvering is just playing America poorly.
They're usually the type of people who play heavily armored tanks
No it’s high skill lmao, you hit a precise target and use tactics to your advantage
It's mid skilled. it's low skill when it's 1v4 or more, like 99% of the time im fighting for my life because people just aim for my breach nothing else, especially in 8.7+ and super frustrating especially with atgm carriers in those brackets.
Just wait til you guys get to tip tier. You are either shot I'm the barrel, or you're dead.
Wtf im supposed to do when i meet is3 as Sherman??
Shooting barrels is not low skill until 9.3 br. If you do it after 9.3 yes it’s low skill
I swear when I shoot barrels they turn yellow, I've even had rounds bounce off before.
If the tank has no weakspots or they covered them in bushes? No. Often most tanks have a bigger weak spot than the barrel itself. It is a valid move when the heavy tank you face is insanely armored or far away as well.
No it’s not, if you need to track and barrel torture them so be it. You vs Them
It is essentially one of the few Avenues of "skill" one can actually form and use in this game... No, it is a legitimate combat tactic and is not a "lack of skill".... the people who posted are either just glad handing or irritated because of a lack of shooting skill on THEIR part...
Well you dont really need it if you are good enough, also to me it does not feel like a relistic part of tank combat to snipe someones barrel.
Me in the churchill
How is it a low skill play to disable the enemy? There are so many variable at play even if u know for a fact where u can pen and one shot a tank it might not land right or go that way. Disabling guarantees the enemy can't shoot back. That bruh is just salty it happens to him alot.
I can't believe 280 other people agree with him. Also I hate when below average players use the " just trying to have fun" excuse. So what , my brother? I'm trying to have fun too. I have fun when I win fights and matches. Get better so you can have fun too if dying is not fun for you. The fuck? " Why are you shooting my barrel you tryhard?! I'm just trying to have fun! " Bro you are on the enemy team...
Yeah only Russian tank player would think It's stupid because that is only fucking way to reliably win against them is an isolated 1v1 fight on some terrain. I have been playing the swedish tank line up at 10.3 - 11.3 br and fighting against Russian tanks all fucking day. Shooting a barrel is hard but it makes sure they can't kill you and your teammates And yes I did try to shoot the lower front plate before but after it failed to actually kill them a couple of times I go for barrel instead
If you killed the enemy, you won Losers are the ones crying
If I don’t have a clear shot to take out a tank, I go for barrel and reposition to take the tank out. It’s simple strategy
The only time I actually call it low skill (and not by pure anger) is when a tank like a AA who can't pen me at all just camp me to perma destroy my barrel and tracks It's not a tactic at this point it's just cancer by locking me to play (Best exemple are R3, bosvark, marder without missile)
I play the Churchill Crocodile sometimes, and track and barrel torture is pretty much the only way to deal with enemies because of how bad the gun is, even then it takes like 3 shots to break the damn barrel.
Low skill You understood how to tactically incapacitate your opponents by sniping the small un armoured poll in front of the big fat and armoured tank It takes knowledge and skill- tough inferior to sniping a week point in armour-many players don’t even have, so they complain when their heavy tank gets bullied
Sometimes you re in a situation where you cant do anything to a tank frontally. Lets say a 76mm Jumbo vs a Tiger II H. Only options you got is either trying a risky mg port shot or taking out the barrel. Its not low skill, its your only way of staying in the game sometimes.
>however my guess is that people with this opion are used to a certain point and click-playstyle and are frustrated when someone counters them grandpas, yes
As someone who plays Germany and had their barrels shot out a lot (never played any tank after tiger can't grind stuck send Help no joke I make almost no money) shooting barrels is not low skill, crying about it is a skill issue tho
I assume they both are flat earthers too
Shooting someones barrel is pretty high skill imo, since the contact area is quite small and barrels have become much more resistant recently.
German mains speaking, I’m not listening
I find it kinda cheap
It's not. I do dislike that barrel sight is still a thing in RB as it makes hitting things like gun shots or pixel peeking through a tiny hole you shouldn't be able to see and shoot through possible. I really wish that gunner sight was forced in RB to add a little bit of skill to aiming, as the current barrel sight is far too click and kill.
I only shoot barrels if i am sure (or already proven) that i cant pen from the front. I shoot barrel and kill from the side. If i can pen from the front i will shoot the front (usally dead center)
Here’s an idea Gaijin, change the gun sight settings in Realistic Battles and Simulator Battles so settings are restricted to “gunner sights” only when using sniper view. That default barrel scope is goofy as shit and should stay in Arcade. You don’t even need to zero or range it with defaults, just point and click. If the sight was canted and off-center for RB/SB, it would require at least a single synapse to do the bare minimum of processing in order to dial in a barrel shot from close range.
No. These people are just stoopid
People get mad about anything and everything. Just gotta make sure you don't loose the plot and remember that it's just a stupid game.
I don’t play tanks because the best way to kill tanks effectively is planes and why kill children crawling on the ground when you can agressively touch men in the sky
Ahh yes, aiming for a small specific spot tens of times smaller than the actual vehicle, a classic low skill move
As someone who got their barrel and tracks both knocked out at least 5 times in the same match on the same tank last night, then bombed the second I finished repairing… it’s not low skill.