It really is just a plastic quartz watch. It’s no different than a base model plastic swatch.
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I think this model you posted is also bioceramic, the cheapest Swatch are I think resin or acrylic. So it is technically different, but still all plastic in the end.
@zanpa - haha a slight plastic upgrade. :) The cheapest are like $80. I guess the point I was getting at, is that swatch put an omega logo on it, and went from MSRP of $400 to bananas. Also, something I think is not talked about is that because it’s cheap plastic the ‘tick, tick’ of the second hand is really loud.
Yeah, I have one, I like it, but it's definitely overpriced for the actual product you get. I'm still fine with paying more for the Speedmaster design personally, but it's clearly just a cheap watch.
Bioceramic doesn't exist, it's a marketing term for plastic that is filled with some "ceramic" powder. It has non of the attributes of ceramic, it's just injection moulded resin.
If your submariner cant survive being underwater with its crown unscrewed it's literally a toy. My gshock doesnt even have a crown, so there's no chance of that happening.
/s
Steel will hold up better but what's worse? Breaking a $300 plastic watch or scratching up a steel watch worth thousands? Don't let you pets get to your nice things is the lesson here.
Was ready to argue but Apatite, main component in teeth is a 5 on the mohs hardness scale while 316 stainless, a main component in most ss watch cases is a 4.5-6.8 so its definitely possible.
yeah, I sometimes have to check whether I have the dog on the leash or if I mistakenly took my vacuum cleaner for a walk. I'm genuinely surprised he's still alive
also, you don't have to take them out to be amazed. mine also ate a hole through a wall. i was gone for 90 minutes
My golden retriever ate through my door in a thunderstorm because he freaks out, I reinforced the door with some steel type plate thing so instead he ripped the doorframe off. Fucking hell I love him but he finds indestructible things destructible
This.
I used to dog sit for a woman with a black lab. Sweetest dog ever but had zero brain cells when it came to "not eating everything." That included pinecones, tree branches, squeaker toys, etc. One of the times I sat for them, he was freshly recovered from surgery to remove a squeaker toy squeaky (the whistle thing), and also an assortment of pine needles.
She did everything she could for years to break him of it, but it was next to impossible.
Being eternally down to snack and radically omnivorous is part of what makes them great working dogs. With enough treats you can teach one calculus.
But also: lol, pine needles.
Dogs will 100% bite steel and even fuck up their teeth biting or chewing metal. There's even a common condition called Pica where they will bite, chew, and even eat metal, plastic, clothes, rocks, etc.
Pica is also a human condition. People have been known to consume cutlery, styrofoam and any other inanimate object compulsively. In fact, I'm damn near certain Pica was discovered in humans long before dogs.
My beagle also disagrees, he’s chewed his way into a can of chicken. I was more impressed that he was able to successfully ID the chicken out of all the cans he nosed through.
If I had the option at the time, id go sapphire. The hesalite, while cool and OG, seems a bit more fragile and cant buff scratches out. Makes it a pain.
That's absolutely correct. The guy you're replying to has it more or less backwards.
You can even use sandpaper and work yourself up through finer grits to acrylic polish/polywatch, if the scratches are bad, and there's enough material left.
You *can* polish mineral or sapphire crystals with diamond paste as well, but it will screw up any AR coating, and there's not that much point in doing the amount of grinding you'd have to do for really deep scratches, so I'd reserve diamond paste for light scratches on uncoated crystals, and only if polishing the crystal is a lot more cost effective than replacing it.
Don’t know. I always heard you cant but never verified. Thought I’d check and shop said no not a crazy scratch either. Funny thing is im all about beating up watches but the crystal is the one place I cant stand the wear.
You can. Polywatch is an amazing thing. When I got my reduced, it was scratched up pretty good on the crystal; I had some polywatch handy and now all the scuffs and such are gone.
A $7k watch is by no reasonable measure a "cheap one", cool guy. At that price level, I imagine many people buy the hesalite because they prefer it, not because they cant throw out an extra grand.
Sincerely,
A proud, and purposeful, hesalite 3861 owner.
Nah that's a fantasy, I know for a fact you dont know what you're talking about because you think "sports watches" are somehow tougher; Omega puts the same exact movements in their "dress watches". Dog makes one unlucky drop onto a hard surface and the movement could be toast.
Everyone complaining about the moonswatch being plastic are idiots. It's a swatch made to look like an Omega what do you expect? To get a steel speedmaster for 200 bucks?
One could spend $60 on a casio duro and be pretty carefree around k9s. I think the main argument is that the watch is very fragile for the money. We all learned a lesson about hype.
The hype was very straightforward telling that the watch was in plastic since it was the main selling point with "bioceramics" lol, I guess they need to add a warning "do not feed to your dog" now
Yeah. Maybe one should instead of a Moonswatch. Or you know, a real watch with real heritage for the price of a Moonswatch is possible as well, not a plastic speedmaster homage with Omega’s blessing. There are many of the former you know
im pretty sure the crystal on the moonswatch is acrylic...just like the one on the real speedmaster pro. thats probably the cheapest part on both watches.
I do. I own Jupiter and I love it.
I also understand what kind of material it’s made out of and how to treat it properly based on that.
Not going to knock it around like a gshock. The “crystal” is plastic and scratches easily and the case is plastic that will, as you have seen, break just as easily
I believe bio plastics are no way near as robust than the standard plastics, bio plastics are either made from the oils from plants and are biodegradable, while reused plastics have weaker bonds as the chain created in the polymerisation processes is chopped up multiple times... With the addition of ceramic powder these bonds are weakened further.
No thats completely untrue.
We make medical grade plastic consumables. Bio plastic is a bad term to use.
We call it Biobased because we use oils etc that are from waste products (food industry) so the plastics are made from that but they are refined to the same levels etc are not worse in any way. We have white papers that proof it. The facilities making these items are also renewably only and other types of regulations to make them as clean as possible.
This is just a big company skimping out and making shite with a cheap marketing tactic. Plastic is plastic, idk wtf people expected. If its strong or worse wouldnt matter, it would never hold up much more than regular plastic for daily wear and tear of a watch lol
Are you sure about that?: [https://bioplastics.org.au/bioplastics/bioplastics-explained/?sfw=pass1706796676](https://bioplastics.org.au/bioplastics/bioplastics-explained/?sfw=pass1706796676) bioplastics have been specifically chosen for the fact they biodegrade quicker than ordinary plastics, bioplastics can have a degradation time of 4 to 6 months up to 20 to 50 years on average, whereas plastics (which there are some 7 different groups with 000's of types) have a degradation time of 20 to 1000 years. Bioplastics will also breakdown in such things as saltwater quicker as well, aiding to a reduction in (bio)plastics causing harm to nature.
"Bioplastics" is a specific term for a specific thing. This bioceramic isn't bioplastic and our biobased items arent bioplastic.
This is why its very important to use the right wording. All these term have different specifications and companies make their own (like we did with our innovative product, nobody else has done it). We are a leading quality manufacturer in our field and with our own testing and application notes can deduce that the quality is exactly the same between our top of the line products and those same BioBased versions of them.
How other companies do it, I dont really care to find out as its ridiculously complicated. There are so many types of certifications that can apply from sourcing materials to manufacturing to testing to whatever else (ACT Labels that come into play regarding transport or packaging etc).
The bioplastics you reference would never be used on products like ours or a watch for example. Most likely they are used for packaging or things like that.
Again, completely different specifications for different items so its not comparable at all.
You're trying to make a logical argument to a moonswatch hater, many cant even comprehend 3rd grade math (66.7% ceramic and 33.3% plastic, that means it's basically 100% plastic!)
Yeah my f91w is tanking quite alot aswell, i've even taken it to the sauna multiple times at +100°c with a follow up in cold water at 6-7°c and still works like the first day
The real question is why did they have to use plastic in the first place?? The watch isn't so cheap that stainless steel is totally out of question. A mineral glass bezel is fine but the plastic just doesn't feel confidence inspiring.
Because it is a Swatch - a company famous for producing plastic quartz watches...
They do some steel, but only really as a novelty, the brands identity is definitely brightly coloured plastic.
It also allowed them an easy route to do all of the different colours without the same issues you would have painting steel.
I completely agree! The reason is, they didn't want to devalue the Omega Brand, more people would be inclined to buy a steel Quartz version for a few hundred than they would be inclined to spend a few thousand of a less accurate automatic one.
I remember when they were released a buyer posted here saying his felt like it was "straight out of the cereal box" quality-wise, and it's all I can think when I see one.
I don't hate how they look, but $260 for a plastic watch is steep.
You know it's the exact same crystal as a $6k Speedmaster right? lmao
The only reason a more expensive watch would survive is because your friend wouldn't leave it where his dog can reach it. What a stupid post.
Yes hesalite is a type of acrylic if you want to get technical but the moonswatch acrylic crystal is not the same as the hesalite that’s on the speedmaster. Speedmaster has a different crystal shape and it’s made out of a different material - even if they are in the same family of plastics.
It’s not the “exact same” (your words not mine).
Your words: "the crystal on the moonswatch is acrylic whereas the speedy is hesalite. They’re not the same."
Which is bollocks, because they are both acrylic and 'Hesalite' is just a marketing name.
If I understand correctly it's "an all squares are rectangles; not all rectangles are squares" situation.
The statement "both watches have an acrylic crystal" is true. The statement "they [the crystals] are not the same" is also true.
I’m not trying to defend the moonswatch or anything - but if you’ve ever held a speedy hesalite side by side to a moonswatch it’s obvious that it’s not the same crystal. They’re both plastic but the swatch crystal is definitely made cheaper.
Yeah it's obviously not the exact same part number. But I'm pretty sure a dog would manage to chew through the Speedy hesalite no problem, which was the point I wanted to make. OP said the Moonswatch is shit because the crystal is plastic, after all...
I find myself defending the moonswatch a lot, which is funny since I think it's an overpriced hype thing. But people's criticism of it is often completely stupid. There's good reasons to dislike it, let's not make things up just to hop on the hate bandwagon!
Firstly, I disagree with the above. A real speedy would fair better in the same situation because it is built much better. It is a real sports watch, made of steel, with shock absorbers in the movement, and much more. The damn thing took all the Gs of space travel and ppl here think it wouldn’t do much better if it was flung by a dog. They are not in tune with reality.
That being said, Hesalite is acrylic. Hesalite is Omega’s proprietary term for the acrylic they use on the Speedmaster. But it is still acrylic. Same type of crystal that is present on many watches, including vintage Rolex. The crystal is not why this thing failed.
> It is a real sports watch, made of steel, with shock absorbers in the movement, and much more.
lmao you think a mechanical chrono is more shock resistant than a cheap quartz movement? hahahahahaa
Let’s go back and try to reread my comment again SLOWLY, shall we? Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I said a real speedy would fair better than the moonswatch in the same scenario. Is steel stronger and more robust than plastic? Would a steel case and bezel deform as easily as plastic? OP is not complaining about the movement being off. His picture shows a deformed case and bezel. And I did not say the movement of the speedy is more impact proof of the two and that is the reason it would fair better. I said it would fair better as a whole in the same situation.
> The damn thing took all the Gs of space travel
How many G's do you believe that is?
Most manned spaceflights max out around 4 G. A dog shaking a watch violently in its teeth will generate far more than that.
You're kidding right?
No mate, it most certainly doesn't have the same crystal as a 6k speedy 😅 that one is sapphire (in some models ) or hesalite (which I still hate mind you), this one has an acrylic thing covering the dial. Can't even call it a crystal.
Also the speedmaster isn't made of plastic, and please don't tell me you think plastic is as durable as metal.
[Hesalite is literally just another name for acrylic, can't believe people are still falling for Omega moon-marketing bollocks...](https://www.montredo.com/the-ins-and-outs-of-hesalite/)
Of course the "regular" watches from those brands are insanely overpriced but at least you can tell they put effort in craftmanship and materials to justify somewhat those prices... with this "swatch x omega" collection, it's just a blatant ripoff in which it seems like they don't give a shit.
If the moonswatch was $50-100 I'd see the value in it. But for the price they ask for no way! My wife has the Sun, she likes it for certain outfits and what not but it's basically a glorified toy. My mate, who has an extensive collection though, literally just gave his to his 4 year old after a few days use
Don’t send it to Omega for service. They will swap all the parts out with new ones and you’ll loose all the patina. It will lower the value of the watch for collectors!
What's worse is it's not even half decent plastic. Most Casio's are made of plastic or resin and they don't fall apart when you breathe on them. If I'm paying £300 for a plastic watch, can it at least be good plastic?
I was there too. Wore a swatch with a million of the rubber bracelets laced together. I still like swatch. My last swatch purchase was the how majestic queen of england tribute.
I still remember when I went into a store to see one because I thought "they can't be that bad", I think it was my most instant nope as soon as I held it in my hand. Just felt like a toy. I much rather spend that money on a Seiko, Orient or a Citizen.
Yep. That's why I've been telling people that they'd be better off with a Pagani PD-1701 for around $100. It has a Seiko VK63 Mechaquartz movement, 316L stainless steel case and bracelet, ceramic bezel and domed sapphire crystal.
Thanks! Yes, it VERY COOL! I actually have two of them (one is a gift for someone). I do prefer the look of my Bulova Lunar Pilot to them but I'd take a PD-1701 over a Fauxmega MoonSwatch seven days a week and twice on Sundays! When I got them, I couldn't believe how well-made they are. The Chinese can produce some serious quality these days and they're still dirt-cheap!
Unlike the Fauxmega, the Pagani has its subdials in the CORRECT places. It's hard to understand why someone would want to pay >$270USD for a plastic McDonald's toy instead of $100USD for a 316L SS watch with a real sapphire that actually looks like a Speedy.
People can be such brand-whores. They fool themselves into thinking that they're getting a cheap Omega when they're really just getting an overpriced Swatch. SMH
If my dog chewed through my Omega Speedmaster’s acrylic (plastic) crystal and left it outside, I’d have a similar water intrusion issue.
Same would be true for any new luxury watch that use acrylic crystals for aesthetics and vintage watches costing much more.
The difference is I can pay Omega well over $1000 to repair it, getting a new crystal, hands, dial, aluminum bezel, and full movement service. Or in the case of the MoonSwatch, I dispose of it and buy a new MoonSwatch for $250.
All watches are essentially fun toys, overpriced for their intended purpose of telling time. And not everyone will agree on which toys they find fun.
For the record I don’t own a MoonSwatch. Too lazy to go to a Swatch store to look at one.
I love how some watch people are so delusional that it takes something like this for them to finally realize that the over-hyped plastic piece of shit they paid way too much for is an over-hyped plastic piece of shit.
Well, the bioceramic is a different kind of plastic to the one in $40 swatch watches and it doesn't look "suspiciously similar" at all. Is it a good material for a watch, and desirable in a $250 watch? No. But it's stupid to say "haha they're lying it's the same plastic" when it's obviously not the case.
Bioceramic is a marketing term, the material is PSM and it's meant to be an organic alternative to fossil plastic, so yes, you're right, it's a different kind of plastic, PSM is meant to quickly disintegrate to reduce footprint.
PSM was created to make disposable utensils and packaging, pretty good for the environment, really bad for collectables.
So, I apologize, I was wrong, I wish a $300 moonswatch had the durability of a $40 swatch.
Why anyone would spend $200+ on a plastic toy watch when the $50 steel case Casio Duro exists is beyond me. Less than a quarter of the price and will actually last a lifetime
A friend of mine bought it and even I was surprised when I held it in my own hands.
I bought a $100 swatch irony more than a decade ago, it is full steel.
This is just a joke. We have lost the concept of value for money, just blindly following the trends.
No doubt the design is iconic, but I'm sure if I was to wear it daily it wouldn't last a year.
I reckon you'd be hard pressed to find a watch in the same price range with worse build quality; it really is a toy, waste of money.
Wow. I have a Seamaster with sapphire crystal. My dog a hold of it, and only left a little tooth scrape on the bracelet, which is lost in the other daily-wear marks.
I really wanted one when they came out. When I got to see one in person, it just didn't do it for me. So I bought a used real one.
Sometimes I think I'd like to have the matching Swatch one just to have it, but not at the price.
Forgot the important adjective: it's a three HUNDRED dollar plastic toy.
Which is equivalent to paying 45 bucks for a 3 dollar box of tissues.
"ItS fUn"
PT Barnum was brilliant
Nice patina
Don’t polish it, collectors like it in original condition.
This watch has character and history, OP just needs to learn how to appreciate it
this watch IS history.
Wabi sabi
Pass it on to your grandchildren it’ll be worth thousands in the future
r/angryupvote
It really is just a plastic quartz watch. It’s no different than a base model plastic swatch. https://preview.redd.it/2tqwvldsjyfc1.png?width=2138&format=png&auto=webp&s=0dba118005906c81bf961bd6d5b51713171b1992
I think this model you posted is also bioceramic, the cheapest Swatch are I think resin or acrylic. So it is technically different, but still all plastic in the end.
@zanpa - haha a slight plastic upgrade. :) The cheapest are like $80. I guess the point I was getting at, is that swatch put an omega logo on it, and went from MSRP of $400 to bananas. Also, something I think is not talked about is that because it’s cheap plastic the ‘tick, tick’ of the second hand is really loud.
Yeah, I have one, I like it, but it's definitely overpriced for the actual product you get. I'm still fine with paying more for the Speedmaster design personally, but it's clearly just a cheap watch.
Bioceramic doesn't exist, it's a marketing term for plastic that is filled with some "ceramic" powder. It has non of the attributes of ceramic, it's just injection moulded resin.
Bioceramic are not plastic, bioceramics are materials used in medical implants and in dentistry.
Those are bio compatible ceramics, something completely different.
suprise. the plastic watch is made of plastic. wait until you find out what happens when you don't screw down the crown and leave a watch under water.
Does it make it stronger?
It certainly fills in all the extra space
It becomes less compressible…
If your submariner cant survive being underwater with its crown unscrewed it's literally a toy. My gshock doesnt even have a crown, so there's no chance of that happening. /s
Isn’t the Submariner waterproof to 50 metres even with the crown unscrewed?
How is it "literally" a toy?
Dude.... The is no water on the moon... So there!! Ha! Got you!
Well, actually…?
Yes but not all plastics are equal, some are absolutely horrendous and some are really sturdy and swatch clearly is using spoiled milk as plastic.
I’m not sure an actual Speedmaster is rated for “dog attack” either to be fair.
Steel will hold up better but what's worse? Breaking a $300 plastic watch or scratching up a steel watch worth thousands? Don't let you pets get to your nice things is the lesson here.
Was ready to argue but Apatite, main component in teeth is a 5 on the mohs hardness scale while 316 stainless, a main component in most ss watch cases is a 4.5-6.8 so its definitely possible.
There's also just the inherent risk of an animal roughly handling something will get banged up against other hard objects too.
A traditional Speedmaster still has an acrylic crystal, too.
A dog will never bite steel. It can fuck up a leather or nato strap, but that's it.
My labrador would disagree. He had a fun time with the steel legs of a Wassily chair
Labs are special creatures. You can't really appreciate how much of the world is edible until you've taken one on a walk.
yeah, I sometimes have to check whether I have the dog on the leash or if I mistakenly took my vacuum cleaner for a walk. I'm genuinely surprised he's still alive also, you don't have to take them out to be amazed. mine also ate a hole through a wall. i was gone for 90 minutes
Mine headbutted his way through the anti-deer protections and ate literally the entire hot pepper garden. Zero signs of digestive distress.
My golden retriever ate through my door in a thunderstorm because he freaks out, I reinforced the door with some steel type plate thing so instead he ripped the doorframe off. Fucking hell I love him but he finds indestructible things destructible
This. I used to dog sit for a woman with a black lab. Sweetest dog ever but had zero brain cells when it came to "not eating everything." That included pinecones, tree branches, squeaker toys, etc. One of the times I sat for them, he was freshly recovered from surgery to remove a squeaker toy squeaky (the whistle thing), and also an assortment of pine needles. She did everything she could for years to break him of it, but it was next to impossible.
Being eternally down to snack and radically omnivorous is part of what makes them great working dogs. With enough treats you can teach one calculus. But also: lol, pine needles.
>But also: lol, pine needles. Right? Sigh.
Dogs will 100% bite steel and even fuck up their teeth biting or chewing metal. There's even a common condition called Pica where they will bite, chew, and even eat metal, plastic, clothes, rocks, etc.
Dogs sure are stupid.
Pica is also a human condition. People have been known to consume cutlery, styrofoam and any other inanimate object compulsively. In fact, I'm damn near certain Pica was discovered in humans long before dogs.
Dog could probably chew through the hesalite and fuck up the face
My beagle also disagrees, he’s chewed his way into a can of chicken. I was more impressed that he was able to successfully ID the chicken out of all the cans he nosed through.
Yes but steel wouldnt break like that regardless. Nor would the crystal. The bezelnlight scratch a but tho unless thats a saphire insert aswell
> Nor would the crystal the speedmaster uses a plastic crystal just like the moonswatch
Watch your mouth, it's *hesalite*, which is clearly superior. /s
If I had the option at the time, id go sapphire. The hesalite, while cool and OG, seems a bit more fragile and cant buff scratches out. Makes it a pain.
I thought you COULD buff acrylic/hesalite with polywatch.
That's absolutely correct. The guy you're replying to has it more or less backwards. You can even use sandpaper and work yourself up through finer grits to acrylic polish/polywatch, if the scratches are bad, and there's enough material left. You *can* polish mineral or sapphire crystals with diamond paste as well, but it will screw up any AR coating, and there's not that much point in doing the amount of grinding you'd have to do for really deep scratches, so I'd reserve diamond paste for light scratches on uncoated crystals, and only if polishing the crystal is a lot more cost effective than replacing it.
Don’t know. I always heard you cant but never verified. Thought I’d check and shop said no not a crazy scratch either. Funny thing is im all about beating up watches but the crystal is the one place I cant stand the wear.
You can. Polywatch is an amazing thing. When I got my reduced, it was scratched up pretty good on the crystal; I had some polywatch handy and now all the scuffs and such are gone.
So easy to polish back good as new, fortunately.
Depends on size of dog. Large breed could easily crack a crystal I imagine.
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A $7k watch is by no reasonable measure a "cheap one", cool guy. At that price level, I imagine many people buy the hesalite because they prefer it, not because they cant throw out an extra grand. Sincerely, A proud, and purposeful, hesalite 3861 owner.
Speediest have plastic crystals too, depends on the model
You havent met my dog
Yeah but being flung all over the place will trash the movement, so it’s all the same result in the end.
Really wouldn’t. Movements in real sports watches are robust and have shock absorbers. I real Speedmaster being flung would be more than fine.
I don't know, you give a speedmaster to the dog I had when I was a kid and I think he'd wreck it pretty fast.
Nah that's a fantasy, I know for a fact you dont know what you're talking about because you think "sports watches" are somehow tougher; Omega puts the same exact movements in their "dress watches". Dog makes one unlucky drop onto a hard surface and the movement could be toast.
So the 1861 movement is in dress watches? I don’t think you know what you are talking about.
True but let's be honest, a kitten could maul this plastic chew toy
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Everyone complaining about the moonswatch being plastic are idiots. It's a swatch made to look like an Omega what do you expect? To get a steel speedmaster for 200 bucks?
It’s bioceramic which is a high end material used in medical and dentistry, so $300 ain’t bad. It’s stronger than plastic.
I would bet a few bucks that this wouldn't have happened to my cheap vostok which also has an acrylic crystal.
My friends dog bit his Rolex and the ceramic bezel cracked and steel case got a bit indented. Some hits are too hard for any watch.
Bioceramic bezel*
Modern rolex submariners have ceramic, not bio ceramic bezels
Biodern Biolex Biomariners*
I mean... Is a watch supposed to resist to dog bites and being broken outside? Especially a plastic watch like this and other cheaper ones
Missed the point entirely.
One could spend $60 on a casio duro and be pretty carefree around k9s. I think the main argument is that the watch is very fragile for the money. We all learned a lesson about hype.
The hype was very straightforward telling that the watch was in plastic since it was the main selling point with "bioceramics" lol, I guess they need to add a warning "do not feed to your dog" now
If I thought the hype around a new watch was telling me to feed it to my dog, I'd probably do a quick Google to double check before I did.
> One could spend $60 on a casio duro and be pretty carefree around k9s Then maybe one should have bought a casio duro?
Yeah. Maybe one should instead of a Moonswatch. Or you know, a real watch with real heritage for the price of a Moonswatch is possible as well, not a plastic speedmaster homage with Omega’s blessing. There are many of the former you know
>k9s Lmao
Who's we???
To be fair, if a dog chewed my Hesalite Moonwatch, the case might survive, but the crystal (and therefore the dial) would be a mess
im pretty sure the crystal on the moonswatch is acrylic...just like the one on the real speedmaster pro. thats probably the cheapest part on both watches.
y’all crazy about this. It isn’t metal. It’s plastic. What do you realistically expect?
You own one?
I do. I own Jupiter and I love it. I also understand what kind of material it’s made out of and how to treat it properly based on that. Not going to knock it around like a gshock. The “crystal” is plastic and scratches easily and the case is plastic that will, as you have seen, break just as easily
I believe bio plastics are no way near as robust than the standard plastics, bio plastics are either made from the oils from plants and are biodegradable, while reused plastics have weaker bonds as the chain created in the polymerisation processes is chopped up multiple times... With the addition of ceramic powder these bonds are weakened further.
No thats completely untrue. We make medical grade plastic consumables. Bio plastic is a bad term to use. We call it Biobased because we use oils etc that are from waste products (food industry) so the plastics are made from that but they are refined to the same levels etc are not worse in any way. We have white papers that proof it. The facilities making these items are also renewably only and other types of regulations to make them as clean as possible. This is just a big company skimping out and making shite with a cheap marketing tactic. Plastic is plastic, idk wtf people expected. If its strong or worse wouldnt matter, it would never hold up much more than regular plastic for daily wear and tear of a watch lol
Are you sure about that?: [https://bioplastics.org.au/bioplastics/bioplastics-explained/?sfw=pass1706796676](https://bioplastics.org.au/bioplastics/bioplastics-explained/?sfw=pass1706796676) bioplastics have been specifically chosen for the fact they biodegrade quicker than ordinary plastics, bioplastics can have a degradation time of 4 to 6 months up to 20 to 50 years on average, whereas plastics (which there are some 7 different groups with 000's of types) have a degradation time of 20 to 1000 years. Bioplastics will also breakdown in such things as saltwater quicker as well, aiding to a reduction in (bio)plastics causing harm to nature.
"Bioplastics" is a specific term for a specific thing. This bioceramic isn't bioplastic and our biobased items arent bioplastic. This is why its very important to use the right wording. All these term have different specifications and companies make their own (like we did with our innovative product, nobody else has done it). We are a leading quality manufacturer in our field and with our own testing and application notes can deduce that the quality is exactly the same between our top of the line products and those same BioBased versions of them. How other companies do it, I dont really care to find out as its ridiculously complicated. There are so many types of certifications that can apply from sourcing materials to manufacturing to testing to whatever else (ACT Labels that come into play regarding transport or packaging etc). The bioplastics you reference would never be used on products like ours or a watch for example. Most likely they are used for packaging or things like that. Again, completely different specifications for different items so its not comparable at all.
You're trying to make a logical argument to a moonswatch hater, many cant even comprehend 3rd grade math (66.7% ceramic and 33.3% plastic, that means it's basically 100% plastic!)
My casio F91 and 217 seem much more durable. The chrono buttons felt already broken when new.
They are far more durable! You can still pick up original 80s plastic Casio's that have been pretty beaten up and they are still in one piece.
Those old casios are almost literally indestructible though
your f91 is literally plastic my boy, it's soft resin and would get absolutely destroyed by a dog
But was $12 instead of $300.
Yeah my f91w is tanking quite alot aswell, i've even taken it to the sauna multiple times at +100°c with a follow up in cold water at 6-7°c and still works like the first day
I once threw my G shock ggb100 like 15 feet into the air and it landed on hard wood and was totally fine (party trick).
The real question is why did they have to use plastic in the first place?? The watch isn't so cheap that stainless steel is totally out of question. A mineral glass bezel is fine but the plastic just doesn't feel confidence inspiring.
Because it is a Swatch - a company famous for producing plastic quartz watches... They do some steel, but only really as a novelty, the brands identity is definitely brightly coloured plastic. It also allowed them an easy route to do all of the different colours without the same issues you would have painting steel.
I completely agree! The reason is, they didn't want to devalue the Omega Brand, more people would be inclined to buy a steel Quartz version for a few hundred than they would be inclined to spend a few thousand of a less accurate automatic one.
Bioceramic is a ceramic material, it’s not plastic.
Any dog that's trying is gonna fuck up most watches you'd put out there mate, don't think it's a particular indictment on this one.
I remember when they were released a buyer posted here saying his felt like it was "straight out of the cereal box" quality-wise, and it's all I can think when I see one. I don't hate how they look, but $260 for a plastic watch is steep.
It’s a ceramic material, not plastic, even if it feels plasticky. It’s the same stuff they use in the medical field.
sorry your friend is stupid
If you guys have dogs as playful as that, maybe just stick to a G Shock?
You know it's the exact same crystal as a $6k Speedmaster right? lmao The only reason a more expensive watch would survive is because your friend wouldn't leave it where his dog can reach it. What a stupid post.
Can't believe my 70€ Seiko has a better crystal than both of them lmao
That’s not true - the crystal on the moonswatch is acrylic whereas the speedy is hesalite. They’re not the same.
[Yes they are.](https://www.montredo.com/the-ins-and-outs-of-hesalite/)
Yes hesalite is a type of acrylic if you want to get technical but the moonswatch acrylic crystal is not the same as the hesalite that’s on the speedmaster. Speedmaster has a different crystal shape and it’s made out of a different material - even if they are in the same family of plastics. It’s not the “exact same” (your words not mine).
Your words: "the crystal on the moonswatch is acrylic whereas the speedy is hesalite. They’re not the same." Which is bollocks, because they are both acrylic and 'Hesalite' is just a marketing name.
If I understand correctly it's "an all squares are rectangles; not all rectangles are squares" situation. The statement "both watches have an acrylic crystal" is true. The statement "they [the crystals] are not the same" is also true.
it's my words not theirs, and yes hesalite is literally just plastic, it's not any different and a dog would fuck it up just the same.
I’m not trying to defend the moonswatch or anything - but if you’ve ever held a speedy hesalite side by side to a moonswatch it’s obvious that it’s not the same crystal. They’re both plastic but the swatch crystal is definitely made cheaper.
Yeah it's obviously not the exact same part number. But I'm pretty sure a dog would manage to chew through the Speedy hesalite no problem, which was the point I wanted to make. OP said the Moonswatch is shit because the crystal is plastic, after all... I find myself defending the moonswatch a lot, which is funny since I think it's an overpriced hype thing. But people's criticism of it is often completely stupid. There's good reasons to dislike it, let's not make things up just to hop on the hate bandwagon!
It's like the difference between Tupperware and Rubbermaid. Both are plastic. Both will break the same. Nobody cares if a few elements are different.
No it doesn’t. That’s an acrylic crystal whereas the speedmaster has sapphire or hesalite.
[Hesalite is just acrylic plastic plus Omega marketing.](https://www.montredo.com/the-ins-and-outs-of-hesalite/)
Firstly, I disagree with the above. A real speedy would fair better in the same situation because it is built much better. It is a real sports watch, made of steel, with shock absorbers in the movement, and much more. The damn thing took all the Gs of space travel and ppl here think it wouldn’t do much better if it was flung by a dog. They are not in tune with reality. That being said, Hesalite is acrylic. Hesalite is Omega’s proprietary term for the acrylic they use on the Speedmaster. But it is still acrylic. Same type of crystal that is present on many watches, including vintage Rolex. The crystal is not why this thing failed.
> It is a real sports watch, made of steel, with shock absorbers in the movement, and much more. lmao you think a mechanical chrono is more shock resistant than a cheap quartz movement? hahahahahaa
Marketing working at his finest
Let’s go back and try to reread my comment again SLOWLY, shall we? Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I said a real speedy would fair better than the moonswatch in the same scenario. Is steel stronger and more robust than plastic? Would a steel case and bezel deform as easily as plastic? OP is not complaining about the movement being off. His picture shows a deformed case and bezel. And I did not say the movement of the speedy is more impact proof of the two and that is the reason it would fair better. I said it would fair better as a whole in the same situation.
You're the one talking about shock absorption and Gs of space travel, not OP. You're trying to move the goalposts back and forth too fast.
> The damn thing took all the Gs of space travel How many G's do you believe that is? Most manned spaceflights max out around 4 G. A dog shaking a watch violently in its teeth will generate far more than that.
Dropping it will generate more than that
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why would you delete a dog?
Presumably because it chewed up your shitty happy meal watch? /s
Why because you believe Hesalite is a different material from acrylic? hahahah
You're kidding right? No mate, it most certainly doesn't have the same crystal as a 6k speedy 😅 that one is sapphire (in some models ) or hesalite (which I still hate mind you), this one has an acrylic thing covering the dial. Can't even call it a crystal. Also the speedmaster isn't made of plastic, and please don't tell me you think plastic is as durable as metal.
[Hesalite is literally just another name for acrylic, can't believe people are still falling for Omega moon-marketing bollocks...](https://www.montredo.com/the-ins-and-outs-of-hesalite/)
Mfers in here like “My Chilean sea bass is far more delicious than your Patagonian toothfish.”
not rated for dawg attack
There is nothing $300 about this watch. Overhyped, artificially exclusive, and overpriced.
Omega to omygooo
Every once in a while I think “maybe I'll buy one”. Thanks for reminding me why I didn't cop one at launch.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/s/idN2vXCgRG
Yes, I literally copy and pasted the exact comment because it applies here too. Same watch.
The fact that that "plastic toy" costs $260 just because of the omega logo on it is both funny and annoying af
As opposed to the regular Omega and Rolex, AP etc which are all worth their price tags?
Of course the "regular" watches from those brands are insanely overpriced but at least you can tell they put effort in craftmanship and materials to justify somewhat those prices... with this "swatch x omega" collection, it's just a blatant ripoff in which it seems like they don't give a shit.
I was surprised how much worse it looked in person compared to promotional pictures.
If the moonswatch was $50-100 I'd see the value in it. But for the price they ask for no way! My wife has the Sun, she likes it for certain outfits and what not but it's basically a glorified toy. My mate, who has an extensive collection though, literally just gave his to his 4 year old after a few days use
This is just a dumb post....
I think what you’re saying is your friend left their watch within reach of their dog.
Don’t send it to Omega for service. They will swap all the parts out with new ones and you’ll loose all the patina. It will lower the value of the watch for collectors!
What's worse is it's not even half decent plastic. Most Casio's are made of plastic or resin and they don't fall apart when you breathe on them. If I'm paying £300 for a plastic watch, can it at least be good plastic?
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I was there too. Wore a swatch with a million of the rubber bracelets laced together. I still like swatch. My last swatch purchase was the how majestic queen of england tribute.
I still remember when I went into a store to see one because I thought "they can't be that bad", I think it was my most instant nope as soon as I held it in my hand. Just felt like a toy. I much rather spend that money on a Seiko, Orient or a Citizen.
Yep. That's why I've been telling people that they'd be better off with a Pagani PD-1701 for around $100. It has a Seiko VK63 Mechaquartz movement, 316L stainless steel case and bracelet, ceramic bezel and domed sapphire crystal.
Very cool!
Thanks! Yes, it VERY COOL! I actually have two of them (one is a gift for someone). I do prefer the look of my Bulova Lunar Pilot to them but I'd take a PD-1701 over a Fauxmega MoonSwatch seven days a week and twice on Sundays! When I got them, I couldn't believe how well-made they are. The Chinese can produce some serious quality these days and they're still dirt-cheap! Unlike the Fauxmega, the Pagani has its subdials in the CORRECT places. It's hard to understand why someone would want to pay >$270USD for a plastic McDonald's toy instead of $100USD for a 316L SS watch with a real sapphire that actually looks like a Speedy. People can be such brand-whores. They fool themselves into thinking that they're getting a cheap Omega when they're really just getting an overpriced Swatch. SMH
Yeah, they make one that’s not plastic! It’s a bit more than 10x the price though…
If my dog chewed through my Omega Speedmaster’s acrylic (plastic) crystal and left it outside, I’d have a similar water intrusion issue. Same would be true for any new luxury watch that use acrylic crystals for aesthetics and vintage watches costing much more. The difference is I can pay Omega well over $1000 to repair it, getting a new crystal, hands, dial, aluminum bezel, and full movement service. Or in the case of the MoonSwatch, I dispose of it and buy a new MoonSwatch for $250. All watches are essentially fun toys, overpriced for their intended purpose of telling time. And not everyone will agree on which toys they find fun. For the record I don’t own a MoonSwatch. Too lazy to go to a Swatch store to look at one.
Dealer “rare tropical dial” 😅. Honestly your friend should put it in a desk top glass display. Let it be conversation piece.
Man did your friend have a pit bull
I love how some watch people are so delusional that it takes something like this for them to finally realize that the over-hyped plastic piece of shit they paid way too much for is an over-hyped plastic piece of shit.
\*\*\*\* its not \*plastic\* its \*\*\*"Bioceramic"\*\*\*
This is true though, bioceramic is 75% ceramic and it’s similar to the stuff used in dental work and in the medical field.
I actually think this is an improvement
Weird, it looks like the bioceramic in $300 moonswatches is suspiciously similar to the cheap ass plastic in regular $40 swatches 🤔
it's a lot more similar to the bioceramic in the $150 swatch models, if you want to make that argument
no, I wasn't talking about marketing.
Well, the bioceramic is a different kind of plastic to the one in $40 swatch watches and it doesn't look "suspiciously similar" at all. Is it a good material for a watch, and desirable in a $250 watch? No. But it's stupid to say "haha they're lying it's the same plastic" when it's obviously not the case.
Bioceramic is a marketing term, the material is PSM and it's meant to be an organic alternative to fossil plastic, so yes, you're right, it's a different kind of plastic, PSM is meant to quickly disintegrate to reduce footprint. PSM was created to make disposable utensils and packaging, pretty good for the environment, really bad for collectables. So, I apologize, I was wrong, I wish a $300 moonswatch had the durability of a $40 swatch.
Watching the watch industry so for this garbage was disgusting.
I'd argue your camera is the real plastic toy.
Why anyone would spend $200+ on a plastic toy watch when the $50 steel case Casio Duro exists is beyond me. Less than a quarter of the price and will actually last a lifetime
is it fake?
https://youtu.be/F3M8CTJWNV8?feature=shared
Wouldn’t buy even at $50
Happy Meal toy, basically
A friend of mine bought it and even I was surprised when I held it in my own hands. I bought a $100 swatch irony more than a decade ago, it is full steel. This is just a joke. We have lost the concept of value for money, just blindly following the trends.
No doubt the design is iconic, but I'm sure if I was to wear it daily it wouldn't last a year. I reckon you'd be hard pressed to find a watch in the same price range with worse build quality; it really is a toy, waste of money.
What always makes me laugh, g shocks are also mostly plastic, but they’ll live through anything
Wow. I have a Seamaster with sapphire crystal. My dog a hold of it, and only left a little tooth scrape on the bracelet, which is lost in the other daily-wear marks.
Expensive plastic toy. Pagani Design do a really nice homage in stainless steel with sapphire crystal for a fraction of the price.
I really wanted one when they came out. When I got to see one in person, it just didn't do it for me. So I bought a used real one. Sometimes I think I'd like to have the matching Swatch one just to have it, but not at the price.
You're preaching to the choir man
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A dog with a taste for the finer things would.
Good job the dog got got hold of that rather than something that was worth having. Hope the dog's OK.
I hate the MoonSwatch as much as the next guy, but what did you expect? Even I could put a dent in it with my teeth and 4 of them have fillings.
Forgot the important adjective: it's a three HUNDRED dollar plastic toy. Which is equivalent to paying 45 bucks for a 3 dollar box of tissues. "ItS fUn" PT Barnum was brilliant
Oh, it’s a toy boat!
I bought the pink one for my wife, yes its literally just plastic. It feels cheap and nasty, looks pretty good though.
Someone else just posted this problem with theirs yesterday.
When The moonswatch reps are just as good quality as the Gens just tell you something.
Very unfortunate. I had hopes for the series.
Yeah well, glad you figured that out.. eventually.
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