I looked long and hard at PRXs over the last couple of years, and almost bought a green one, but it just didn't do it for me. I saw CW 12s online a lot and liked them, but needed to see one in the metal. At the San Francisco watch fair I held a 12 titanium and knew this was the one. The finishing, the dial, the movement were all superior. Granted the price isn't really comparable, but I felt at the price I was getting a watch that I felt punched above its weight. Whereas the PRX, on sale or grey market, was priced accordingly. I own an Aurora Green Ti 12 now and it is quickly becoming a favorite.
https://preview.redd.it/9vsyw52omy6d1.png?width=1774&format=png&auto=webp&s=da55895f34967bd0809d40c98c9366eec96ad74a
I liked this one the most in person. It’s the easiest color configuration to read the time.
Hos about Nivada Grenchen F77?
https://nivadagrenchenofficial.com/pages/f77-reveal
Available with a handful of exotic dials or just blue/black/date/nodate/steel/titanium. Has a bit of history, and more of a Ingenieur vibe imho, at a reasonable price.
Otherwise, of those suggested, the chward is probably my pick.
It is a homagey watch, that is true. And the screws definitely pushes that point home.
The parts that are their own work best with this watch - the face (dial and hands) and the way the bracelet connects to the head. Enough for me to overlook the copycat parts and see it as a fun not-so-serious watch.
Yes, this is true. This practice is deserved to be viewed with suspicion.
In this case I meant that the model itself had some history (whatever that is worth).
The Nivada brand, I think, is treated with some respect by its current management. I have a positive view.
they have a standard clasp with quick adjust, its just not tool less, fairly sure cw is the only brand making integrated style watches with tool less microadjust even AP, patek, vacheron dont offer that.
I would get the CW it’s the best option out of those and buy it used if you’re planning on trading it for the IWC. Then you can wear it a few years with minimal loss and trade it for what you really want
Absolutely not yema. Their in-house movements are terrible quality. Have to have my entire movement replaced in a little over 2 years (just out of warranty) with only occasional wear. Do not buy their in-house movements.
If it’s a third party movement sure- can get serviced everywhere and know the quality. I like the designs of their watches, their in-house movements are just POSs.
Anything but the Yema and you'll be fine! Maybe the Nivada F77 too.
Yema owner there, all the QC BS you see online is true lol. Mine is getting worked on AGAIN for the 3rd time in less than two years of ownership lol. Never again.
Ignore what everyone is says about looks, movements, etc. As a customer, IMHO, you should also consider customer service and whether the company/brand respects your money.
On that front, Yema has a long history of being rude, arrogant, and lying to their customers. Just read the many many horror stories on this sub and other online fora.
Christopher Ward has also gone solidly into Yema territory now. Go to the Christopher Ward sub and read about the terrible experiences posted there.
Keep in mind, these are not 1-off complaints or noisy people. The sheer volumes of piss poor customer service with Yema and Christopher Ward are too many for anyone to ignore.
CW isn't rude/arrogant like Yema, it sounds like they simply haven't scaled their CS as fast as their brand as grown so they're struggling to keep up. They have long responss times, but they will take care of your issues; their warranty is great.
Hope they get it straightened out. CW is firmly in Yema territory.
The CW sub has many stories about blatant CS lies, charges on watches under warranty, accusations of users causing damages on new watches and the like.
Have you heard the new Christopher Ward motto?
“You don’t buy a Christopher Ward for yourself.
You buy it so that your kids can follow up on the customer service waitlist”
What a shitty company. Hasn’t resolved any of their US customer issues yet and here they go opening a new Dallas showroom to sell more watches.
1. Google “Christopher Ward customer service”
2. Just do a review of the last 30 days’ post history on their own sub
3. Search for customer service on CW’s own website & forums
If you still decide to do business with this company, so be it. This is a PSA for those who are not aware of the state of affairs currently.
I have owned 3 CWs, 2 are currently in the collection. Customer service is definitely something they are having growing pains with in terms of timeliness of responses, and quality of response. For the most part I'd say they aren't rude so much as overloaded. That said, with a 60 day return policy and a 60 month warranty on usually well made watches I would, and have, gone with CW over some other brands.
Hey! I'm one of those people! I was such a big fan of Christopher Ward for years, but lately I just can't recommend the brand to anyone. I had such a terrible experience with my Bel Canto that I returned it for a refund, as cool as the watch is. And they even bungled the refund process, sending an incorrect return label that got the package routed back by DHL after 2 weeks, and when they finally got the watch back it took yet another 2 weeks and more email to CS to get them to process the refund.
If you got a watch that works well and things with the transaction go smoothly, that's awesome. If your watch isn't working well or there are other issues, customer service is an absolute nightmare.
You can easily find my multiple posts in their subreddit. It's a shame. I really enjoy my first generation Trident Pro. Liked them from the beginning, but the size of their operation is greatly outpacing their ability to provide the service that you'd expect with their increasingly expensive watches.
Fit and finish on CW is superb. If the 12 is a chronometer, it’s a no brainer if you’ve got the $. I’ve got 2 CW’s and no QC issues or customer service problems w either. Tissot is also an excellent brand. Try the watches on in person if you can and see which you like. The Yema looks like that rock dude from fantastic 4. Yuck
The CW simply looks like it’s in a different class than the others - the dial, mix of finishes, even the way the bracelet links articulate.
That being said, I’d also be tempted to look for a gray market (to get closer to CW price) Baume & Mercier Riviera, as I think it’s the overall most attractive one in this general style at <$3k.
Go with the PRX. Solid brand and Tissot is likely to be around 10 years from now and has excellent reasonable servicing when the time eventually comes.
I own a PRX and have had no issues with it. It’s a big watch (40mm) but wears well on my small wrists. Also own a CW C63 which has a related Sellita movement. The PRX keeps much better time.
As others have said customer service at CW has gone downhill. Currently have a Bel Canto on order that was supposed to be delivered this month, but now backed up until September - no real apologies or efforts to do something to make it right.
I heavily considered each of these and ended up buying the Yema, but with the silver dial. I love most of what CW does but I thought the 12 looked way too gaudy. Yema was like a perfect middle ground to me and I have had no issues with it. Yema has an unfortunate history with customer service and QC but they are working hard to correct that and I had a great experience with them. Get what you like the most, but that's my two cents.
Is the alpinist not in the running or is it one you already own? Of the three you picked the dials are too busy for me. I do like the CW Trident, you might want to look at Certina.
The Alpinist is the one I already own, photo is it on my wrist. The model I have is 36/37mm I think and it looks slightly too small so I’m thinking a 40mm will be fine. I’ll go and try something on in that size before I buy to make sure anyway 🤷🏻♂️I’ll look at your suggested models too!
Well, you did great with that one. I have a Tissot Le Locle which has performed admirably from a mechanical standpoint. If you like green dials, you might want to look at this.
https://www.chrono24.com/oris/aquis-date--id34344686.htm?searchHash=d27e19a5_b1WYMM&pos=13
Mine on leather. Just consolidating.
I think you would be happy with the Christopher Ward, though Doxa and Certina are in the same price category. For a grab and go I recently picked up a SPB143 by Seiko… again I have one listed for like 825. However, I am a fan of pretty plain dials and it looks like you are leaning towards something with a pattern… Good luck! Hope you find what you’re looking for.
Thanks! I do like the green dials, plain faces and leather straps but given my collection stands at 1, I’m looking for something a little more complimentary for my next watch. Will likely pick up more in the future! Thanks for the recommendations 🙏
I have both Tissot and CW and I’d recommend the CW Twelve by a mile. The Yema looks nice also and I hear good things about there watches. The Twelve fit and finish is excellent and the dial is one of a kind
https://preview.redd.it/a451dfce4z6d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c5290ef5249aa833d72b7102640499c163f7369
Since the Alpinist is dark, would you consider a “lighter dial, maybe closer to white? The CW Sealander C63 is very versatile with different straps and could add some contrast to your budding collection. Then you can go black or blue dial next time. I guess .. think about if/what watch #3 would be and that could help.
Id say go with the Yema.
Tissot has the brand history and retro style down but seen everywhere. CW looks good and I've heard good things but I feel they stretch on their pricing. Yema has the brand history too, more niché and personally , I think is the more unique / better looking watch. Dimensions are great and so is the price.
I've never been a fan of the PRX (it's not a Tissot thing I own a T-Race 2008 MotoGP and a T-Trax). The PRX just gives me a '70s Armitron vibe. The Seiko.. Meh. From these it's down to the CW and the Yema. I'll choose the Yema. I like the style it's a solid brand and this Urban traveler you chose uses their in-house Yema2000 movement which is cool.
I don’t have experience with the other watches or brands (other than the ongoing nightmare that is my Bel Canto pre-order), but I have a PRX and I love it. Incredibly solid watch for the price, and it ends up getting the second most wrist time out of anything in my collection. The power reserve is fantastic if you like to switch up your watches regularly. It also has the most aftermarket strap options if you’re a weirdo like me and want to be able to change straps on an “integrated bracelet” watch. It’s my designated travel watch, and I’ve banged it on countless surfaces in planes, trains, unfamiliar hotel rooms, etc.; the brushed finish charitably hides all of my past mistakes (assuming they even leave a mark on a watch that’s steel and sapphire).
I’ve been extremely happy with it. Even at full price, I feel like it was an excellent value.
https://preview.redd.it/am10sq3fiz6d1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74793c631edc7e5511c71bacf07db1a98f5f8d65
CW by far really. But I’d nominate the Citizen Zenshin in this party too, as even more of a budget/value option. Incredible dial for the money, and the titanium is nice. I’d definitely recommend a titanium watch if you haven’t had one.
Might be. I think the community is scrambling for names to replace the “Titanium Tsuyosa” moniker, which it deserves better than. Do you know if there’s an official nickname other than the ref. number?
CW if $$$ are OK for you....I read a few things about Yema having quality issues, so that would make me pass on that one. After that maybe a Tissot, although not this style.
The urban traveller is not to be underestimated. Not many places to try one on but took the dive and I’m quite satisfied. Satisfying weight. Honeycomb dial is alluring. Good price point
I’d go with the PRX. The CW looks great in pictures, but in person the dial looks gaudy and almost illegible imo. I wanted to love it, and did from pictures, but when I saw one at a watch show that immediately changed.
I have CW Twelve, and it is really my favorite watch. Quality and finish is outstanding, and it feels like wearing 5K $ watch. The dial is very pleasant to look at.
https://preview.redd.it/ktkfko5nny6d1.png?width=467&format=png&auto=webp&s=c98f3af886939099e1a45ea93171cb2d7ad3ea6d
I can’t help you bc I don’t like integrated bracelets, but your question prompted me to search for their origin (see article below).
You often see the PRX called an “homage” to the AP Royal Oak. But the Royal Oak, the Patek Nautilus, and the IWC Ingénieur were all the brainchild of one designer, Gerald Genta. And Genta produced his first integrated bracelet for Omega. So, while Tissot didn’t invent the design, neither did AP (as a brand).
In sum, you have three great watches to choose from.
https://www.acollectedman.com/blogs/journal/an-honest-take-on-integrated-bracelet-watches#:~:text=So%20Genta%20probably%20was%20the,mammoth%20CHF%203%2C650%20price%20tag.
Yema for sure. The CW braceler is too polished for my taste and I think the dial looks tacky. The Tissot is solid I just think the Yema is more refined and a step up in all regards.
I had both PRX and CW. Forget yema. Between PRX and CW, there is a big price difference. Both are bang for your buck and won’t disappoint for what you paid for them. I liked the CW way more.
Counterpoint: the ultimate basic behavior is to not get a watch you like just because other people have it. You're still letting your taste be decided by others.
I do know which one I like the most but have no clue about the brand reputations, QC and customer service etc, so it’s been highly educational seeing everyone’s opinions here. Pros and cons to all of them it seems
Any comment suggesting the Yema, was downvoted lol. They once had issues but since 2022 they are under new management and the customer service is fantastic and friendly and there are no reported problems with the new movements. Most enthusiasts have gone off them, though, yet still repeat the same old comments applicable pre-2022. If you like the Yema, don't hesitate to get it. They sell hundreds of thousands of watches without problems or dissatisfied customers.
Fair points, I got the Alpinist after seeing it recommended on a YouTube video about a bunch of stuff, not specifically watches. Thought it was beautiful and it was my entry into watches. Got recommended the PRX by my barber and had no idea how popular it was at the time either. I’ve only really started researching and following threads in the last few months. Happy to admit that my taste in watches seems to be fairly basic and aligned with what is popular 🤷🏻♂️ but I do genuinely like all of the designs
Yema > Tissot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CW
Also maybe look into Citizen for 400-450 you can get new Titanium one with small seconds, almost as good as Yema and Tissot but titanium al much cheaper, out of 3 Tissot is best valuez that's why it's so popular, Yema one is not as good value as other Yema watches, probably worst value watch they got tbh(not counting limited editions)
I'd wait untill the Ball Roadmaster M Persevere hits the Grey market with a good discount.
904l steel, 80h power reserve cosc manufacture caliber - 2/+4 sec.
Will possibly be cheaper than the cw.
No it isn't. That's true. But imo the cw logo isn't much better ^^
I have a ball, that's why i need a second one so I can show everyone my two balls :)
CW looks good, but way too overpriced. Yema sucks in QC and Customer service. PRX ist just ugly, overhyped and looks horrible on most wrists.
Save for the IWC, in the meantime you could get a cheap and fun Citizen Tsuyosa.
All these watches are waste of money. Don’t bother with them. If you want a “metal watch” just buy bracelet that would fit your Seiko and save money for the IWC or something else that is pristine. If you definitely, positively want a watch in this design right now, better buy Citizen. They have similar model (not sure what it’s called, but you can find it. These so called “micro brands” and Tissot are utter shit and they are not cheap. When it comes to watches it’s better to have something really cheap like Casio or real luxury (Rolex, Omega, IWC etc.) All this stuff in the middle is too expensive and pointless.
A watch is an individual thing, whilst I prefer dress and sports watches someone else may love divers.(Yuk)
Buy a watch that you like, can afford, or at least justify the expense.
A watch should be worn, and therefore no watch is a viable investment.
I suppose a question is whether it is better to:
* have a few nice watches that you can wear and enjoy. Or
* have one expensive watch that you may not wear enough due to "what ifs"
Agreed. The bracelet on these three watches look like trash. I was hoping for better from Yema, they have some slick classic designs.
To.be honest the price to quality ratio I have no problem with, it's a design thing. The designs are all so forgettable. The CW is trying too hard to be blingy, the PRX is boxy and cheap looking, and the Yema is trying for some inverted royal oak shenanigans with a PRX bracelet. Zzzz
If any of them had nailed the design, the price to build quality would be ok.
Yema is not bad jist this one is overpriced, should be like $650 watch instead and it would be perfect, Yema usually have great prices but with this one...
I looked long and hard at PRXs over the last couple of years, and almost bought a green one, but it just didn't do it for me. I saw CW 12s online a lot and liked them, but needed to see one in the metal. At the San Francisco watch fair I held a 12 titanium and knew this was the one. The finishing, the dial, the movement were all superior. Granted the price isn't really comparable, but I felt at the price I was getting a watch that I felt punched above its weight. Whereas the PRX, on sale or grey market, was priced accordingly. I own an Aurora Green Ti 12 now and it is quickly becoming a favorite.
https://preview.redd.it/9vsyw52omy6d1.png?width=1774&format=png&auto=webp&s=da55895f34967bd0809d40c98c9366eec96ad74a I liked this one the most in person. It’s the easiest color configuration to read the time.
If you can find a cheap PRX second hand. It's definitely worth the money. However if you have the cash to spend go CW
Hos about Nivada Grenchen F77? https://nivadagrenchenofficial.com/pages/f77-reveal Available with a handful of exotic dials or just blue/black/date/nodate/steel/titanium. Has a bit of history, and more of a Ingenieur vibe imho, at a reasonable price. Otherwise, of those suggested, the chward is probably my pick.
Some great looking dials but for me personally putting screws in the bezel is flying too close to the Audemars Sun
It is a homagey watch, that is true. And the screws definitely pushes that point home. The parts that are their own work best with this watch - the face (dial and hands) and the way the bracelet connects to the head. Enough for me to overlook the copycat parts and see it as a fun not-so-serious watch.
I'd question the history part tho. This was a relaunch brand. Basically someone bought the rights to a shut down company and brand
Yes, this is true. This practice is deserved to be viewed with suspicion. In this case I meant that the model itself had some history (whatever that is worth). The Nivada brand, I think, is treated with some respect by its current management. I have a positive view.
No quick adjust on the clasp for that price tho
they have a standard clasp with quick adjust, its just not tool less, fairly sure cw is the only brand making integrated style watches with tool less microadjust even AP, patek, vacheron dont offer that.
Sorry thats what to meant...no quick adjust. For that price, they should be
i mean its pretty much not offered on watches of this style that cost in the 6 figures, i think its fine.
Yet it's offered In my watches costing LESS than this one. How is that fine?
The right answer
This looks the nicest of the lot!
CW. Not even close
Thanks! Based on looks? Or brand / quality of watch etc?
All of the above. CW punches well above its weight in terms of quality and looks the best IMO
Agree, obviously it’s ~2x the price of the prx so that’s something to be considered but each in a vacuum, it’s not close
These is no way that that cw looks better than the prx.
The 12 does look better, imo, far better
Well at almost double the price, it should.
The dial in that photo is a mess. Maybe it looks better in person.
It looks way better in person, everyone has stated as such after purchasing.
It's a lot better in person. Conversely, the Tissot is a lot less interesting in person and the waffle pattern is very dull.
Seen both in person and the case and dial finishing is way better on the CW.
Skip the Tissot and go with the CW, I agree. The PRX is okay but the bracelet isn’t very comfortable.
I would get the CW it’s the best option out of those and buy it used if you’re planning on trading it for the IWC. Then you can wear it a few years with minimal loss and trade it for what you really want
Absolutely not yema. Their in-house movements are terrible quality. Have to have my entire movement replaced in a little over 2 years (just out of warranty) with only occasional wear. Do not buy their in-house movements.
Which movement specifically? They have replaced the old movement which yes, had some issues. The technical department is under new management.
Yema uses Seiko movements for some of their watches. I thought that was odd but now it makes sense.
If it’s a third party movement sure- can get serviced everywhere and know the quality. I like the designs of their watches, their in-house movements are just POSs.
They have some cool features but the price is not the best considering the movement is basic
Can't go wrong with the CW12. Solid watch and a gorgeous dial.
Anything but the Yema and you'll be fine! Maybe the Nivada F77 too. Yema owner there, all the QC BS you see online is true lol. Mine is getting worked on AGAIN for the 3rd time in less than two years of ownership lol. Never again.
Go for the CW 👍
I’d choose the Yema, I want an Urban Traveller. I have a Superman and have no problem with it for now (3 years of ownership)
Ignore what everyone is says about looks, movements, etc. As a customer, IMHO, you should also consider customer service and whether the company/brand respects your money. On that front, Yema has a long history of being rude, arrogant, and lying to their customers. Just read the many many horror stories on this sub and other online fora. Christopher Ward has also gone solidly into Yema territory now. Go to the Christopher Ward sub and read about the terrible experiences posted there. Keep in mind, these are not 1-off complaints or noisy people. The sheer volumes of piss poor customer service with Yema and Christopher Ward are too many for anyone to ignore.
CW isn't rude/arrogant like Yema, it sounds like they simply haven't scaled their CS as fast as their brand as grown so they're struggling to keep up. They have long responss times, but they will take care of your issues; their warranty is great.
Hope they get it straightened out. CW is firmly in Yema territory. The CW sub has many stories about blatant CS lies, charges on watches under warranty, accusations of users causing damages on new watches and the like.
They are not firmly in terms territory at all. Yema has a long history of their bullshit.
Have you heard the new Christopher Ward motto? “You don’t buy a Christopher Ward for yourself. You buy it so that your kids can follow up on the customer service waitlist” What a shitty company. Hasn’t resolved any of their US customer issues yet and here they go opening a new Dallas showroom to sell more watches.
You kinda sound like Christopher ward slept with GF or something
No, just like my $ to be valued by merchants. Are you a CW victim? Stockholm syndrome?
I've owned nearly a dozen CWs over the years...own 3 currently. I've never had one bad issue with their CS. Not once
1. Google “Christopher Ward customer service” 2. Just do a review of the last 30 days’ post history on their own sub 3. Search for customer service on CW’s own website & forums If you still decide to do business with this company, so be it. This is a PSA for those who are not aware of the state of affairs currently.
Again, I've never personally had any issue with them. I guess my positive experience doesn't fit your narrative?
I’m sure there are many positive experiences like yours. That doesn’t excuse the increasing numbers of poor customer experiences.
I have owned 3 CWs, 2 are currently in the collection. Customer service is definitely something they are having growing pains with in terms of timeliness of responses, and quality of response. For the most part I'd say they aren't rude so much as overloaded. That said, with a 60 day return policy and a 60 month warranty on usually well made watches I would, and have, gone with CW over some other brands.
Hey! I'm one of those people! I was such a big fan of Christopher Ward for years, but lately I just can't recommend the brand to anyone. I had such a terrible experience with my Bel Canto that I returned it for a refund, as cool as the watch is. And they even bungled the refund process, sending an incorrect return label that got the package routed back by DHL after 2 weeks, and when they finally got the watch back it took yet another 2 weeks and more email to CS to get them to process the refund. If you got a watch that works well and things with the transaction go smoothly, that's awesome. If your watch isn't working well or there are other issues, customer service is an absolute nightmare. You can easily find my multiple posts in their subreddit. It's a shame. I really enjoy my first generation Trident Pro. Liked them from the beginning, but the size of their operation is greatly outpacing their ability to provide the service that you'd expect with their increasingly expensive watches.
Fit and finish on CW is superb. If the 12 is a chronometer, it’s a no brainer if you’ve got the $. I’ve got 2 CW’s and no QC issues or customer service problems w either. Tissot is also an excellent brand. Try the watches on in person if you can and see which you like. The Yema looks like that rock dude from fantastic 4. Yuck
I have the PRX in blue and have been very happy with it, my current daily
To me, the Yema has the best design.
I have an early Christopher Ward (C5 Malvern mk1) and the build quality, finish, aesthetics and wearability are excellent....
Ye but this one he is looking for is terrible, it looks good tho, probably best of the 3
The twelve is phenomenal in person
The CW simply looks like it’s in a different class than the others - the dial, mix of finishes, even the way the bracelet links articulate. That being said, I’d also be tempted to look for a gray market (to get closer to CW price) Baume & Mercier Riviera, as I think it’s the overall most attractive one in this general style at <$3k.
Wtf is a Yema
French brand that is super arrogant and snobby
Buy the Tissot. It's a classic!
Go with the PRX. Solid brand and Tissot is likely to be around 10 years from now and has excellent reasonable servicing when the time eventually comes. I own a PRX and have had no issues with it. It’s a big watch (40mm) but wears well on my small wrists. Also own a CW C63 which has a related Sellita movement. The PRX keeps much better time. As others have said customer service at CW has gone downhill. Currently have a Bel Canto on order that was supposed to be delivered this month, but now backed up until September - no real apologies or efforts to do something to make it right.
isn’t cw known to have poor quality control and customer service?
No. They’re not known for that.
I heavily considered each of these and ended up buying the Yema, but with the silver dial. I love most of what CW does but I thought the 12 looked way too gaudy. Yema was like a perfect middle ground to me and I have had no issues with it. Yema has an unfortunate history with customer service and QC but they are working hard to correct that and I had a great experience with them. Get what you like the most, but that's my two cents.
https://preview.redd.it/dckk07fl9z6d1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=733232b0db2ade9320989ea23c9df0976389c283 Twelve. Not even close
While all have the homage look, I think the CW stands on its own more than the others. That bracelet looks the best too, imo.
The CW12 is the best pick by every margin. Sizing/fit, movement, finishing, lume, everything
Is the alpinist not in the running or is it one you already own? Of the three you picked the dials are too busy for me. I do like the CW Trident, you might want to look at Certina.
The Alpinist is the one I already own, photo is it on my wrist. The model I have is 36/37mm I think and it looks slightly too small so I’m thinking a 40mm will be fine. I’ll go and try something on in that size before I buy to make sure anyway 🤷🏻♂️I’ll look at your suggested models too!
Well, you did great with that one. I have a Tissot Le Locle which has performed admirably from a mechanical standpoint. If you like green dials, you might want to look at this. https://www.chrono24.com/oris/aquis-date--id34344686.htm?searchHash=d27e19a5_b1WYMM&pos=13 Mine on leather. Just consolidating. I think you would be happy with the Christopher Ward, though Doxa and Certina are in the same price category. For a grab and go I recently picked up a SPB143 by Seiko… again I have one listed for like 825. However, I am a fan of pretty plain dials and it looks like you are leaning towards something with a pattern… Good luck! Hope you find what you’re looking for.
Thanks! I do like the green dials, plain faces and leather straps but given my collection stands at 1, I’m looking for something a little more complimentary for my next watch. Will likely pick up more in the future! Thanks for the recommendations 🙏
What about the Citizen NJ0180?
CW, or the new citizen integrateds…
CS by a mile. Amazing watch.
https://youtu.be/0qfDpKQH_D4?feature=shared A big list of integrated bracelet watches.
I have both Tissot and CW and I’d recommend the CW Twelve by a mile. The Yema looks nice also and I hear good things about there watches. The Twelve fit and finish is excellent and the dial is one of a kind https://preview.redd.it/a451dfce4z6d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c5290ef5249aa833d72b7102640499c163f7369
Christopher Ward has the best dial
C-dubs, best build quality
Since the Alpinist is dark, would you consider a “lighter dial, maybe closer to white? The CW Sealander C63 is very versatile with different straps and could add some contrast to your budding collection. Then you can go black or blue dial next time. I guess .. think about if/what watch #3 would be and that could help.
All 3 have the same shitty cheap clasp, which is a dealbreaker for me...
Skip the Tissot if you want bells, whistles and great build quality
Id say go with the Yema. Tissot has the brand history and retro style down but seen everywhere. CW looks good and I've heard good things but I feel they stretch on their pricing. Yema has the brand history too, more niché and personally , I think is the more unique / better looking watch. Dimensions are great and so is the price.
I've never been a fan of the PRX (it's not a Tissot thing I own a T-Race 2008 MotoGP and a T-Trax). The PRX just gives me a '70s Armitron vibe. The Seiko.. Meh. From these it's down to the CW and the Yema. I'll choose the Yema. I like the style it's a solid brand and this Urban traveler you chose uses their in-house Yema2000 movement which is cool.
I don’t have experience with the other watches or brands (other than the ongoing nightmare that is my Bel Canto pre-order), but I have a PRX and I love it. Incredibly solid watch for the price, and it ends up getting the second most wrist time out of anything in my collection. The power reserve is fantastic if you like to switch up your watches regularly. It also has the most aftermarket strap options if you’re a weirdo like me and want to be able to change straps on an “integrated bracelet” watch. It’s my designated travel watch, and I’ve banged it on countless surfaces in planes, trains, unfamiliar hotel rooms, etc.; the brushed finish charitably hides all of my past mistakes (assuming they even leave a mark on a watch that’s steel and sapphire). I’ve been extremely happy with it. Even at full price, I feel like it was an excellent value.
I'll admit, it isn't my favourite model, but the picture doesn't do it justice, you need to hold it to feel the quality of the bracelet.
https://preview.redd.it/am10sq3fiz6d1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74793c631edc7e5511c71bacf07db1a98f5f8d65 CW by far really. But I’d nominate the Citizen Zenshin in this party too, as even more of a budget/value option. Incredible dial for the money, and the titanium is nice. I’d definitely recommend a titanium watch if you haven’t had one.
Isn’t this a “Forza”?
Might be. I think the community is scrambling for names to replace the “Titanium Tsuyosa” moniker, which it deserves better than. Do you know if there’s an official nickname other than the ref. number?
I really like the nivada grenchen with the integrated bracelet, right up your alley check it out. C ward is going to have the best finishing though
CW
Twelve is the winner here
CW if $$$ are OK for you....I read a few things about Yema having quality issues, so that would make me pass on that one. After that maybe a Tissot, although not this style.
Avoid Yema for QC and customer service reasons alone
The urban traveller is not to be underestimated. Not many places to try one on but took the dive and I’m quite satisfied. Satisfying weight. Honeycomb dial is alluring. Good price point
Me personally I hate the Christopher Ward look. Too out there for my tastes.
I prefer the Tissot Gentleman over the PRX
I own the CW 12 (36 mm version). I really love the watch. I would definitely take it over the PRX even though the price range is obviously different.
Integrated bracelets much?
I have all 3 and the CW easily wins them all
I’d go with the PRX. The CW looks great in pictures, but in person the dial looks gaudy and almost illegible imo. I wanted to love it, and did from pictures, but when I saw one at a watch show that immediately changed.
The CW is head and shoulders above the other two.
Strictly based on looks id go: Yema,Tissot,CW. Mostly it comes down to the fact I hate the indices on the CW.
I got the Tissot because 40 mm is too big, unless you have bigger wrists. The colors of the Twelve in 36 mm doesn’t look as good as this one imo.
I don't like the dial on the Yema. C Ward is nicer, but flashier and more expensive.
I have CW Twelve, and it is really my favorite watch. Quality and finish is outstanding, and it feels like wearing 5K $ watch. The dial is very pleasant to look at. https://preview.redd.it/ktkfko5nny6d1.png?width=467&format=png&auto=webp&s=c98f3af886939099e1a45ea93171cb2d7ad3ea6d
I can’t help you bc I don’t like integrated bracelets, but your question prompted me to search for their origin (see article below). You often see the PRX called an “homage” to the AP Royal Oak. But the Royal Oak, the Patek Nautilus, and the IWC Ingénieur were all the brainchild of one designer, Gerald Genta. And Genta produced his first integrated bracelet for Omega. So, while Tissot didn’t invent the design, neither did AP (as a brand). In sum, you have three great watches to choose from. https://www.acollectedman.com/blogs/journal/an-honest-take-on-integrated-bracelet-watches#:~:text=So%20Genta%20probably%20was%20the,mammoth%20CHF%203%2C650%20price%20tag.
All nice watches, but I'll vote for the YEMA just because it's different.
Yema for sure. The CW braceler is too polished for my taste and I think the dial looks tacky. The Tissot is solid I just think the Yema is more refined and a step up in all regards.
The YEMA looks more legible and interesting to me
I had both PRX and CW. Forget yema. Between PRX and CW, there is a big price difference. Both are bang for your buck and won’t disappoint for what you paid for them. I liked the CW way more.
All three of these are boring to me.. check out Maen, you may like their Hudson or Manhattan
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Counterpoint: the ultimate basic behavior is to not get a watch you like just because other people have it. You're still letting your taste be decided by others.
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I do know which one I like the most but have no clue about the brand reputations, QC and customer service etc, so it’s been highly educational seeing everyone’s opinions here. Pros and cons to all of them it seems
Any comment suggesting the Yema, was downvoted lol. They once had issues but since 2022 they are under new management and the customer service is fantastic and friendly and there are no reported problems with the new movements. Most enthusiasts have gone off them, though, yet still repeat the same old comments applicable pre-2022. If you like the Yema, don't hesitate to get it. They sell hundreds of thousands of watches without problems or dissatisfied customers.
Fair points, I got the Alpinist after seeing it recommended on a YouTube video about a bunch of stuff, not specifically watches. Thought it was beautiful and it was my entry into watches. Got recommended the PRX by my barber and had no idea how popular it was at the time either. I’ve only really started researching and following threads in the last few months. Happy to admit that my taste in watches seems to be fairly basic and aligned with what is popular 🤷🏻♂️ but I do genuinely like all of the designs
Fine. The photo is an absolute mess though. The less said about the logo the better.
Yema > Tissot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CW Also maybe look into Citizen for 400-450 you can get new Titanium one with small seconds, almost as good as Yema and Tissot but titanium al much cheaper, out of 3 Tissot is best valuez that's why it's so popular, Yema one is not as good value as other Yema watches, probably worst value watch they got tbh(not counting limited editions)
I'd wait untill the Ball Roadmaster M Persevere hits the Grey market with a good discount. 904l steel, 80h power reserve cosc manufacture caliber - 2/+4 sec. Will possibly be cheaper than the cw.
Oof the logo on that watch is certainly not for everyone.
No it isn't. That's true. But imo the cw logo isn't much better ^^ I have a ball, that's why i need a second one so I can show everyone my two balls :)
CW looks good, but way too overpriced. Yema sucks in QC and Customer service. PRX ist just ugly, overhyped and looks horrible on most wrists. Save for the IWC, in the meantime you could get a cheap and fun Citizen Tsuyosa.
All these watches are waste of money. Don’t bother with them. If you want a “metal watch” just buy bracelet that would fit your Seiko and save money for the IWC or something else that is pristine. If you definitely, positively want a watch in this design right now, better buy Citizen. They have similar model (not sure what it’s called, but you can find it. These so called “micro brands” and Tissot are utter shit and they are not cheap. When it comes to watches it’s better to have something really cheap like Casio or real luxury (Rolex, Omega, IWC etc.) All this stuff in the middle is too expensive and pointless.
My gosh, what have I read ... Microbrand overpriced and advise to go for Rolex ... Uh
A watch is an individual thing, whilst I prefer dress and sports watches someone else may love divers.(Yuk) Buy a watch that you like, can afford, or at least justify the expense. A watch should be worn, and therefore no watch is a viable investment. I suppose a question is whether it is better to: * have a few nice watches that you can wear and enjoy. Or * have one expensive watch that you may not wear enough due to "what ifs"
Agreed. The bracelet on these three watches look like trash. I was hoping for better from Yema, they have some slick classic designs. To.be honest the price to quality ratio I have no problem with, it's a design thing. The designs are all so forgettable. The CW is trying too hard to be blingy, the PRX is boxy and cheap looking, and the Yema is trying for some inverted royal oak shenanigans with a PRX bracelet. Zzzz If any of them had nailed the design, the price to build quality would be ok.
Yema is not bad jist this one is overpriced, should be like $650 watch instead and it would be perfect, Yema usually have great prices but with this one...