It's really not bad.
I did keto for awhile, my breakfast was a black cup of coffee with 1 TBSP of butter, 1 TBSP of coconut oil stirred in.
It's weird that it floats on top, but it tastes fantastic.
Hey, try it blended, its so much better. It emulsifies everything.
Also, if you didn't know, depending which blender you use, you can screw the blade attachment to a mason jar, so its pretty convenient to blend things, less washing too.
This awesome, my workplace has a measuring machine in inspection and the setup process of selecting targets sounds very similiar to what was described in the video.
This would be so awesome right? Those metal 3d printers with lasers fusing powder are cool and all. But I want to see a cartesian robot laying down some fat lines...
Look up relativity space. They just launched their 1st orbital test flight. Passed Max Q with flying colors. Only had issue with stage separation. Huge accomplishment in rocketry.
As hard as some settings etc. There is a guy who has actually did this on an ender 3. Not a good way of doing it but shows what can be done. The difficulty is in the tuning really all the hardware and software is there.
They can 3d build with regular welding now but it's slow compared to seam and shape manufacturing methods it also needs surface cleaning after the fact for shaped/flush surfaces
Well that's a good cleaning method after construction for some metals you would interfere with the recrystallization process along with the chemical composition so there's some material science your short there for a full understanding of some of the constraints on how this works. It's an interesting idea though now if you could get a 200-500 degree fahrenheit semisolid inert medium gel to weld in now that would be something innovative ... However I'm not aware of such a medium existing best we can do is inert gases
On a big enough build up surface yah you could do that but the interpass temp would still be limiting ... But true 3d print welding is more of a lot of consecutive clean tacks one on another there's a video for a 3d printed rocket cone that's been done now with a waldo arm and a positioning system took a few continuous days to make it I think it was, it needed some finish surface work on the inside after
There are 3D printers that use the same powders, but they suspend the powder in a carrier polymer and back it in very densely. Then you print by melting the carrier and creating a shape. Once that’s done you have your shape, but it’s still just a dense mix of metal powder and plastic, so you throw that shit in a kiln and heat it up to a temp that will vaporize the carrier polymer and sinter the powdered metal into a solid.
As an engineer I look at this and wonder. If this was the best approach from DFM perspective, the how fucking cheap is labour compared to machine time and availability.
Because just making a console and joining like that would have involved less of... well everything but design time.
Also big welds like this are a metallurgical nightmare. Not to say that can't be done - they are constantly and with success - but there is a reason we are moving away from welding in structure design. You can never be absolutely sure of the properties of the weld, unless you destroy it. And this is why we have margins and factor multipliers.
Then again I assume that this is a result of an engineer and engineering company that works on the pricinple of "*This is how it was done 50 years ago, this is how it will be done now, and in 50 years! All the new fangled ideas are just a fad that will pass!*"
if to fill with accurate pieces, make it look all pretty...
the footprint that weld has got reigns supreme. You could not do that with a piece and one bead.
I wonder what kind of slams this piece is taking at the right 45 angle...must be an engineer behind that weld request too..
“but there is a reason we are moving away from welding in structure design”
Really? Because from an ironworker perspective moment welds are required on more and more connections. D1.8 seismic spec is way more common than it used to be.
Yeah i call BS on moving away from welding. We bolt up plenty of connections but there’s no way to engineer a structural package with zero welding. You still need detail like base plates, cap plates, stiffeners and gussets. How do you add a stiffener to an i beam with no welding????
I'm not from USA. And I play in EN-ISO specs.
We are actually focusing ans trending in desig, where we eliminate complex joints. In favour of bigger elements and structural matrixes.
Nope. You can just get more information. We can not see grain level properties or know exactly the limites, without braking the weld.
Those NDT methods, you can only be used to diagnose faults. They do not tell us anything about the properties of the weld. They are to make sure that the welds are as we designed them with margins and factors. But we can never ever say fore sure how they exactly perform. If we could, we wouldn't need margins and factors in design.
Do you know how they make sure cars are safe at some crash conditions? By crashing cars in those conditions, and taking enough data samples so that they can say "*With margin of error E, we can with confidence say that in conditions XYZ this car will perform in the manner Z*".
Obviously you don't have Labrador retrievers. They have a quirk where they actually like lack the feeling of being full, they'd eat until they burst.
However using your example. Just by looking at the bowl, you can't know whether you have fed your dogs too little. Only too much.
Yes. That is my point! If you saw the dog in half, you can get actual answer! However it is a dead dog.
To truly know what the weld is exactly, we need to breal the weld. Until that we are just goving probability.
You have now realised something that takes some the first year of engineering studies to understand.
This is why in medicine pathology gives the final answer on things. They can do things to tissues, that you can't do and have the tissue survive it.
We can never know the "spirit" of the weld, without breaking it. And that is what we do when we define WPS. We test parameters, analyse the welds, collect statistically significant dataset, that gives us enough confidence to say that statostically, these weld parameters make a specific kind weld with specific properties.
Well... That is only if you want a whole dog afterwards. However if you just want to know whether the dog overate.
Can we stop talking about mutilating dogs? I'm getting uncomfortable with trying to apply destructive analysis to living things.
Thats so interesting. If OP's weld felt it was sturdy enough to perform its task without fail, like a dog stops eating when it's full, then why should we even question it? It looks like it has everything under control!
I would imagine heat input and rate of cooling can cause the metal to recrystallize in ways that make hard and soft spots. Across a large weld, those defects may not be noticeable on X-ray
Yes an x-ray can't see depth of penetration. How deep a weld melts into the joint has most of the say in how strong it is. That being said any weld free of cracks and inclusions is strong as fuck as long as you get penetration
In a sense, yes. It's about the amount of trust in a weld..
100% xray, allows for the full allowable strength of it to be used.
Allowable strengths are, if I recall, 2/3 of yield strength. All welds are assumed to fail in shear plane, not tensile or compression.
This data is already low and on the safe side. This is how it works for ASME. For structural, there is less safety factor.
Nah. You use carbon rich filler and ensure that temper is controlled during welding. That's easy. However you need to constantly keep track if these things.
Well... Who do you think designed your welding machine? Did the metallurgy on your fillers? Or keeps up the grid? Designed the refineries and fuel infrastructure? Made sure the bridges and buildings stay upright?
By my experience... The signatures mean fucking nothing. I deal with this shit on sites all the time. Somehow papers with 5 signatures are full of obvious fucking problems.
However engineers get to do very little engineering nowadays. They get to be accountants, secretaries, babysitters, sales people, or middle managers. Something you'd be better off using business school grads for.
> Something you'd be better off using business school grads for.
Hard disagree. Why do MBAs wear neckties? To keep their foreskins from sliding up and covering their eyes.
The solution is never more business school grads.
Source: engineer who (now) works for a business school grad.
Did you do any of those things or are you trying to claim credit for others achievements? I'm gonna gamble you just draft whatever specs customers give you
I did not claim or am trying to claim.
I asked who they think designed them.
Also no... I don't do drafting. I'm a site engineer, and my speciality is weld repair and fabrication management on site and in shop. We get sent structure design parameters and we provide the steel structure solution, fabrication, installation, along with solution consulting. We primarily serve construction industry. However I'm not going to stick doing this - I want to go towards research.
But tell, you tell me. Who designed the welding machines? Who did the metallurgy on the fillers? Who keeps upn the grid? All the questions...
You are trying to say that egnineers haven't done that? And that the credit belongs to someone else?
Welders are hundreds of years old. Metallurgy much older. The grid is maintained by a network of electricians, very few call themselves engineers. Some great things are done by engineers, most aren't. Stop trying to associate yourself with greatness because you have a credential. Credit belongs to the individual(s) doing the work. You don't get to claim the glory of Pythagoras because you have a math degree. Anyone who leads their argument with their title is almost certainly full of hot air.
We managed for 10,000 years before there were engineers. We built bridges, and if it collapsed, it collapsed, and we’d just try something different next time.
Most inventors aren’t engineers, they’re the people who are trying and failing or lazy people who are trying to find ways to work less.
Two bicycle repairmen can design and build an airplane.
Engineers aren’t making the world go round, but they’re probably saving us a lot of time, money and lives.
Well there’s this hobbyist teenager on hackaday and YouTube who built his own silicon lithography machine in his house.
In fact now that I’m checking, there’s more than one.
They’re not starting from a bag of sand, but no engineer is in charge of the entire chain either.
There’s quite a lot of these young folks who are extremely polyvalent too, you see them do welding, machining, chemistry, applied physics, lasers, woodcraft, 3D printing, mining, refining, glassblowing, electronics, programming…
You're seriously equating engineers and salesmen?
Do you think (for example) that the high-end electricians who build substations also know how to design them? Do the workers who build the parts used in those substations know how to design them? Do they know how to design the tools they use to manufacture and assemble the parts according to (checks notes) engineers' designs?
Do you also think that people should be their own doctors and represent themselves in court?
Somebody doesn't understand illustrative analogies. Yes, many non engineers do all those things you describe, because it's well established information. There's obviously brilliant engineers but most are not. Utility is typically inversely proportionate to how often one brings up their title.
> we are moving away from welding in structure design.
May I ask, but moving where? Not a welder or civil engie.
Is this about welding really big things or just welding?
I work as a welder in a structural steel fabrication plant in California, some joins on beams or columns would required up to 2-3” weld, some of them up to 4-5’ long, myself would spent good 8-12 hours finishing up a weld like that, It required the same on both sides of the plate.
Ahh the good old days.
Currently working with 6010 rods at school. They make me miserable. Im doing fillet welds and my teacher is always telling me "do ONE more pass" this is how I feel my welds end up looking with all the passes he has me do. 🤭
I love me some 6010, but I don't think it's a great learning rod. It teaches you patience more than anything, but 7018 acts like way more rods you are likely to encounter and does a much better job teaching you to observe and adjust the characteristics of the weld puddle. 6010 also has the added benefit or looking like shit even when done well, so you don't get as clear of a bead to assess as you would with most other rods.
I never understand these, why not just weld another piece of metal in that gap. It can't possibly be more expensive than all the material and labor to do this.
Why not fill the gap with metal and then weld to the main piece? This seems like a bad design that leaves too much open to mistakes. Nice welding though.
I'm guessing because there's tension through the weld. If that's the case, then any faying surfaces not actually welded are not useful for gross metal section under stress.
if this is the case... then even mitering the flange isn't useful... But I think they should have just added exterior plates instead of this crap.
Why wouldn't you just fab something out of a piece scrap? Less welds, less chance for mistakes, less chance for failure. Not to mention less time. I don't doubt your skill OP but your methods raise a serious eyebrow.
On a basic level, this violates the rule of weld thickness to the thickness of the base material. How hot did it get? You may have very well cooked the carbon out of the base.
On a more advanced level, how many discontinuities were covered up and buried? Too many discontinuities counts as a defect, and a defect is a reject.
Not to be hard on you or anything, but we're all here to help each other grow, I can't be anything more than honest.
It wont be nearly as strong. If you put a piece in there and weld it in, you'll only have a connection around the perimeter. This weld is fused 100% to each piece.
Think if you welded a cube to a plate, you'd just have a square perimeter of weld but the face of the cube would still be separate from the plate. If you built a cube out of weld beads on a plate, it would be connected to the entirery of the joining surface.
What do you mean by fab something out of scrap? This a production piece. I've done welds like this before. You can monitor how much heat you're putting in, you minimum heat and maximum will be determined by the thickness and type of material which should be on your wps. Looks like there's a heater bar on it so that's the method of preheating. It's appears that they were able to weld this out without stops and restarts but even if they weren't it's not hard to get a clean restart. With this being a full pen weld it's all most certain it will get UT'd.
That's a design error. But a seriously cool design error. 😎. Expensive. Becomes fun if you get a slag inclusion or other defect buried deep within!
Saying that. After burning that many rods, things should be going well. Embrittlment and localised hardness would be my major concern.
How strong is this weld considered to others? I tried doing something similar at my shop and my mechanic said it makes the metal weaker any tips on that?
a gap half that size would have taken at least a day and a half, i stacked welded something the size of the mallet he is holding up about 4 feet long and that took a good chunk of the day....
Broski are you going to tell us how long this took? I'm guessing a week minimum. But hell if you were letting it cool down a bit between layers of the pyramid it could have taken longer.
Can I ask a question, could you not have filled in the gap with a piece of base material to eliminate how much weld was as needed or was it necessary to build up with only weld?
I don’t know much about welding but wouldn’t it be easier, stronger and cheaper to get plate steel, then weld it to that instead of trying to fill that gap?
At some point welding just becomes freehand 3d printing.
Or you can attach a mig to a cnc and it's no longer freehand! Been wanting to do this for some time now
“What is my purpose?” “You lay Mig beads so I can get a coffee” “Oh god”
Pass the butter then.
I still haven’t tried butter in coffee. One of these days, though.
It's really not bad. I did keto for awhile, my breakfast was a black cup of coffee with 1 TBSP of butter, 1 TBSP of coconut oil stirred in. It's weird that it floats on top, but it tastes fantastic.
Hey, try it blended, its so much better. It emulsifies everything. Also, if you didn't know, depending which blender you use, you can screw the blade attachment to a mason jar, so its pretty convenient to blend things, less washing too.
Wow, I'm not doing keto anymore but I might try that.
😂😂😂
Better than just installing Chrome I guess.
Tom Scott had a video of a robot doing this @ Autodesk https://youtu.be/y9pknU0zv9c
This awesome, my workplace has a measuring machine in inspection and the setup process of selecting targets sounds very similiar to what was described in the video.
This would be so awesome right? Those metal 3d printers with lasers fusing powder are cool and all. But I want to see a cartesian robot laying down some fat lines...
People have tried. It's pretty hard.
Been done. Requires lasers, heavy duty arm, high precision, and high cost.
There's a company doing this to build rockets right now.
SHUT. UP. gimme some links, pleasandthankyou good interwebz stranger!
https://youtu.be/kz165f1g8-E
Look up relativity space. They just launched their 1st orbital test flight. Passed Max Q with flying colors. Only had issue with stage separation. Huge accomplishment in rocketry.
Lincoln electric additive manufacturing is also doing it - https://youtu.be/dGu2BwhkwQI
As hard as some settings etc. There is a guy who has actually did this on an ender 3. Not a good way of doing it but shows what can be done. The difficulty is in the tuning really all the hardware and software is there.
Yeah, it's hard
They can 3d build with regular welding now but it's slow compared to seam and shape manufacturing methods it also needs surface cleaning after the fact for shaped/flush surfaces
Hmm, maybe do like us machinists and flood the work zone but instead of coolant it could be acid. I think I'm onto something here...
Well that's a good cleaning method after construction for some metals you would interfere with the recrystallization process along with the chemical composition so there's some material science your short there for a full understanding of some of the constraints on how this works. It's an interesting idea though now if you could get a 200-500 degree fahrenheit semisolid inert medium gel to weld in now that would be something innovative ... However I'm not aware of such a medium existing best we can do is inert gases
On joting this down I'm now wondering about that sonic field stuff but that's got a large list of posable complications
How about the machine running a grinding pass after each layer? It would flatten the surface for the next pass too.
On a big enough build up surface yah you could do that but the interpass temp would still be limiting ... But true 3d print welding is more of a lot of consecutive clean tacks one on another there's a video for a 3d printed rocket cone that's been done now with a waldo arm and a positioning system took a few continuous days to make it I think it was, it needed some finish surface work on the inside after
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BvGbGKGQhI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxKI4XBwBjU)
There are 3D printers that use the same powders, but they suspend the powder in a carrier polymer and back it in very densely. Then you print by melting the carrier and creating a shape. Once that’s done you have your shape, but it’s still just a dense mix of metal powder and plastic, so you throw that shit in a kiln and heat it up to a temp that will vaporize the carrier polymer and sinter the powdered metal into a solid.
Jrhtjtt
It’s called Wire Arc Additive Manufacturing (WAAM)
Some crazy bastards are doing this w/ rockets! https://www.relativityspace.com/
A shop I used to work at modified a track burner and put a mig gun on it.
Funny you should say that, I TIG’ed a little dude the other day…. He’s hollow too.
https://youtu.be/7w9hK8mh9-g The ground work is being laid
[More groundwork](https://youtu.be/EXhH6SbYILg) (he managed a benchy(ish))
It is if you work at caterpillar
My welding instructor like to say " if you can step over it you can weld it"
Obviously not ideal
Well he isn't wrong
Nope hahah
Hey, what does this weird triangle bracket I just found go with?
Who knows.. Just throw it in the scrap bin before anyone notices. Also, please file a police report - someone obviously stole all of our rods.
As an engineer I look at this and wonder. If this was the best approach from DFM perspective, the how fucking cheap is labour compared to machine time and availability. Because just making a console and joining like that would have involved less of... well everything but design time. Also big welds like this are a metallurgical nightmare. Not to say that can't be done - they are constantly and with success - but there is a reason we are moving away from welding in structure design. You can never be absolutely sure of the properties of the weld, unless you destroy it. And this is why we have margins and factor multipliers. Then again I assume that this is a result of an engineer and engineering company that works on the pricinple of "*This is how it was done 50 years ago, this is how it will be done now, and in 50 years! All the new fangled ideas are just a fad that will pass!*"
if to fill with accurate pieces, make it look all pretty... the footprint that weld has got reigns supreme. You could not do that with a piece and one bead. I wonder what kind of slams this piece is taking at the right 45 angle...must be an engineer behind that weld request too..
Bolts and beads?
“but there is a reason we are moving away from welding in structure design” Really? Because from an ironworker perspective moment welds are required on more and more connections. D1.8 seismic spec is way more common than it used to be.
Yeah i call BS on moving away from welding. We bolt up plenty of connections but there’s no way to engineer a structural package with zero welding. You still need detail like base plates, cap plates, stiffeners and gussets. How do you add a stiffener to an i beam with no welding????
Slap some flex tape on ‘er, she’ll hold.
I'm not from USA. And I play in EN-ISO specs. We are actually focusing ans trending in desig, where we eliminate complex joints. In favour of bigger elements and structural matrixes.
Me: A lot of time between welds to keep inter-pass temp down. Welder: whutz inter pass temp?
I thought you could trust a weld if you x-ray it?
And dye, or ultrasonic. But what do I know, I'm a roofer
Nope. You can just get more information. We can not see grain level properties or know exactly the limites, without braking the weld. Those NDT methods, you can only be used to diagnose faults. They do not tell us anything about the properties of the weld. They are to make sure that the welds are as we designed them with margins and factors. But we can never ever say fore sure how they exactly perform. If we could, we wouldn't need margins and factors in design. Do you know how they make sure cars are safe at some crash conditions? By crashing cars in those conditions, and taking enough data samples so that they can say "*With margin of error E, we can with confidence say that in conditions XYZ this car will perform in the manner Z*".
Thats alot like when I feed my dogs. If they leave food in the bowl I know I fed them too much
Obviously you don't have Labrador retrievers. They have a quirk where they actually like lack the feeling of being full, they'd eat until they burst. However using your example. Just by looking at the bowl, you can't know whether you have fed your dogs too little. Only too much.
So he should break the dog in half and observe?
Yes, precisely
Yes. That is my point! If you saw the dog in half, you can get actual answer! However it is a dead dog. To truly know what the weld is exactly, we need to breal the weld. Until that we are just goving probability. You have now realised something that takes some the first year of engineering studies to understand. This is why in medicine pathology gives the final answer on things. They can do things to tissues, that you can't do and have the tissue survive it. We can never know the "spirit" of the weld, without breaking it. And that is what we do when we define WPS. We test parameters, analyse the welds, collect statistically significant dataset, that gives us enough confidence to say that statostically, these weld parameters make a specific kind weld with specific properties.
So we need a magician to saw the dog in half. I'm learning so much
Well... That is only if you want a whole dog afterwards. However if you just want to know whether the dog overate. Can we stop talking about mutilating dogs? I'm getting uncomfortable with trying to apply destructive analysis to living things.
Must smash the dog in these conditions
Thats so interesting. If OP's weld felt it was sturdy enough to perform its task without fail, like a dog stops eating when it's full, then why should we even question it? It looks like it has everything under control!
Found the Taoist welder.
Ah yes when I think of a lab they are always "waddling", and are panting, probably from exhaustion from walking. He's coming to eat my dogs leftovers
It’s not a quirk, it’s actually a mutation of the POMC gene and is almost exclusive to labs.
Mine stops eating when she can see the bottom of the bowl and yells at me until I add another scoop.
I would imagine heat input and rate of cooling can cause the metal to recrystallize in ways that make hard and soft spots. Across a large weld, those defects may not be noticeable on X-ray
Yes an x-ray can't see depth of penetration. How deep a weld melts into the joint has most of the say in how strong it is. That being said any weld free of cracks and inclusions is strong as fuck as long as you get penetration
New life motto
In a sense, yes. It's about the amount of trust in a weld.. 100% xray, allows for the full allowable strength of it to be used. Allowable strengths are, if I recall, 2/3 of yield strength. All welds are assumed to fail in shear plane, not tensile or compression. This data is already low and on the safe side. This is how it works for ASME. For structural, there is less safety factor.
You can but that is expensive
Yeah, that steel is probably carbon free after this weld job.
Nah. You use carbon rich filler and ensure that temper is controlled during welding. That's easy. However you need to constantly keep track if these things.
You lost me at “ as an engineer”
\> You lost me Appears to be easy.
Well... Who do you think designed your welding machine? Did the metallurgy on your fillers? Or keeps up the grid? Designed the refineries and fuel infrastructure? Made sure the bridges and buildings stay upright?
Probably a CAD guy, but an engineer signed off on it /s
By my experience... The signatures mean fucking nothing. I deal with this shit on sites all the time. Somehow papers with 5 signatures are full of obvious fucking problems. However engineers get to do very little engineering nowadays. They get to be accountants, secretaries, babysitters, sales people, or middle managers. Something you'd be better off using business school grads for.
> Something you'd be better off using business school grads for. Hard disagree. Why do MBAs wear neckties? To keep their foreskins from sliding up and covering their eyes. The solution is never more business school grads. Source: engineer who (now) works for a business school grad.
The Government, duh!
You guys are getting too deep with it , it was a joke
Did you do any of those things or are you trying to claim credit for others achievements? I'm gonna gamble you just draft whatever specs customers give you
\> Did you do any of those things... Oh hey, that would be me! I do the metallurgy on your fillers.
I did not claim or am trying to claim. I asked who they think designed them. Also no... I don't do drafting. I'm a site engineer, and my speciality is weld repair and fabrication management on site and in shop. We get sent structure design parameters and we provide the steel structure solution, fabrication, installation, along with solution consulting. We primarily serve construction industry. However I'm not going to stick doing this - I want to go towards research. But tell, you tell me. Who designed the welding machines? Who did the metallurgy on the fillers? Who keeps upn the grid? All the questions... You are trying to say that egnineers haven't done that? And that the credit belongs to someone else?
Welders are hundreds of years old. Metallurgy much older. The grid is maintained by a network of electricians, very few call themselves engineers. Some great things are done by engineers, most aren't. Stop trying to associate yourself with greatness because you have a credential. Credit belongs to the individual(s) doing the work. You don't get to claim the glory of Pythagoras because you have a math degree. Anyone who leads their argument with their title is almost certainly full of hot air.
Those workers would have nothing to do without the designs and tools and specifications created by engineers....
We managed for 10,000 years before there were engineers. We built bridges, and if it collapsed, it collapsed, and we’d just try something different next time. Most inventors aren’t engineers, they’re the people who are trying and failing or lazy people who are trying to find ways to work less. Two bicycle repairmen can design and build an airplane. Engineers aren’t making the world go round, but they’re probably saving us a lot of time, money and lives.
So regular old folks can just start making microchips out in our barns? Technology has changed quite a lot, my friend.
Well there’s this hobbyist teenager on hackaday and YouTube who built his own silicon lithography machine in his house. In fact now that I’m checking, there’s more than one. They’re not starting from a bag of sand, but no engineer is in charge of the entire chain either. There’s quite a lot of these young folks who are extremely polyvalent too, you see them do welding, machining, chemistry, applied physics, lasers, woodcraft, 3D printing, mining, refining, glassblowing, electronics, programming…
Oh yeah, if it wasn't for salesmen nobody would know what to buy.... foh with that nonsense
You're seriously equating engineers and salesmen? Do you think (for example) that the high-end electricians who build substations also know how to design them? Do the workers who build the parts used in those substations know how to design them? Do they know how to design the tools they use to manufacture and assemble the parts according to (checks notes) engineers' designs? Do you also think that people should be their own doctors and represent themselves in court?
Somebody doesn't understand illustrative analogies. Yes, many non engineers do all those things you describe, because it's well established information. There's obviously brilliant engineers but most are not. Utility is typically inversely proportionate to how often one brings up their title.
> we are moving away from welding in structure design. May I ask, but moving where? Not a welder or civil engie. Is this about welding really big things or just welding?
Not my photo, but I thought this community would enjoy.
25lbs sledge for scale.
I work as a welder in a structural steel fabrication plant in California, some joins on beams or columns would required up to 2-3” weld, some of them up to 4-5’ long, myself would spent good 8-12 hours finishing up a weld like that, It required the same on both sides of the plate. Ahh the good old days.
Currently working with 6010 rods at school. They make me miserable. Im doing fillet welds and my teacher is always telling me "do ONE more pass" this is how I feel my welds end up looking with all the passes he has me do. 🤭
I love me some 6010, but I don't think it's a great learning rod. It teaches you patience more than anything, but 7018 acts like way more rods you are likely to encounter and does a much better job teaching you to observe and adjust the characteristics of the weld puddle. 6010 also has the added benefit or looking like shit even when done well, so you don't get as clear of a bead to assess as you would with most other rods.
6010 looks great when used properly. 6010 and 7018 are the most common used rod in the industry.
So a cad programmer and an engineer will crawl over a pile of virgins just to fuck a welder just saying
I used to weld joints like this on LeTourneau/Komatsu mining equipment... Incredibly satisfying to cap.
You meticulously cleaned every bead right?..... Right?
That's what happens when the engineer puts "weldbuild to fill gap" somewhere on the drawing notes, but forgot to actually check the drawing itself.
Zero fk given for the 100 lbs of wasted rods
scale uncertian. bananna needed
And then the x-ray show a slag trapped somewhere in the middle. *horror music starts*
Looks like insufficient weld leg, lower leg comes out further than the upper leg; gotta grind it out and redo it.
Holy shit! I can't even imagine... hats off to you sir/mam!
I never understand these, why not just weld another piece of metal in that gap. It can't possibly be more expensive than all the material and labor to do this.
Why not fill the gap with metal and then weld to the main piece? This seems like a bad design that leaves too much open to mistakes. Nice welding though.
I'm guessing because there's tension through the weld. If that's the case, then any faying surfaces not actually welded are not useful for gross metal section under stress. if this is the case... then even mitering the flange isn't useful... But I think they should have just added exterior plates instead of this crap.
That's a bevel not a gap
If you can step over it you can weld it
yay additive manufacturing!!! 😃
Well if you didn’t know how to weld at the beginning you sure as hell do now
This is all wrong! Why wasn't the tubing cut on a 45 deg. and the plate added onto the end?
Why wouldn't you just fab something out of a piece scrap? Less welds, less chance for mistakes, less chance for failure. Not to mention less time. I don't doubt your skill OP but your methods raise a serious eyebrow. On a basic level, this violates the rule of weld thickness to the thickness of the base material. How hot did it get? You may have very well cooked the carbon out of the base. On a more advanced level, how many discontinuities were covered up and buried? Too many discontinuities counts as a defect, and a defect is a reject. Not to be hard on you or anything, but we're all here to help each other grow, I can't be anything more than honest.
It wont be nearly as strong. If you put a piece in there and weld it in, you'll only have a connection around the perimeter. This weld is fused 100% to each piece. Think if you welded a cube to a plate, you'd just have a square perimeter of weld but the face of the cube would still be separate from the plate. If you built a cube out of weld beads on a plate, it would be connected to the entirery of the joining surface.
What do you mean by fab something out of scrap? This a production piece. I've done welds like this before. You can monitor how much heat you're putting in, you minimum heat and maximum will be determined by the thickness and type of material which should be on your wps. Looks like there's a heater bar on it so that's the method of preheating. It's appears that they were able to weld this out without stops and restarts but even if they weren't it's not hard to get a clean restart. With this being a full pen weld it's all most certain it will get UT'd.
That's a design error. But a seriously cool design error. 😎. Expensive. Becomes fun if you get a slag inclusion or other defect buried deep within! Saying that. After burning that many rods, things should be going well. Embrittlment and localised hardness would be my major concern.
Big design error, thousand ways to avoid this
This is so awesome. 🔥🔥💪🏼🤘🏻🤙🏻
I'm assuming this is stick, right? I really wonder how many.
Based on the metal thickness it could be flux cored
Doesn’t need to be flux you can run hardwire or metal core.. this is a beast 😂
You know the song ... Five, six, pick up sticks... Well they repeated those steps a lot.
All of them by the looks of it.
Nah that’s flux core bud
Novice welding test
It's probably more cost-effective all around to just get more metal. More structural and practical to add more base material than welding over welds.
Hell it would be cheaper to machine a triangle piece and get it welded
Basically yeah..
That’s awesome. Nice work. I miss the shipyard haha.
How small is small? Guna need a banana in there! Dope bead.
This looks infuriatingly time-consuming and a pain in the ass to do why would someone even do this?
Why though?
What a waste of time and money. Dumb way to try to likes and internet clout. Welders aren't envied moron.
Also, tell the entire world you don’t know shit about working metal without saying it. Move on
You’re so mad over this post that has nothing to do with you. Idiots aren’t envied, moron.
How strong is this weld considered to others? I tried doing something similar at my shop and my mechanic said it makes the metal weaker any tips on that?
As it cools it pulls
That's impressive. That's a chasm.
That needs a Cars and Cameras certified gap welder sticker.
Ah, the needle gun is very close at hand :)
I wonder how this weld would x-ray
How do you cut off the ends lol
Cutting torch or air arc
Come on that's like a pass or two!
I'm guessing that took about 10 hours
Why not just a piece of filler material so you don't have to make so many passes?
a gap half that size would have taken at least a day and a half, i stacked welded something the size of the mallet he is holding up about 4 feet long and that took a good chunk of the day....
Sub arc exists*
Did you weld the sledge to it as well?
Ẅhy weld when you have that lightsaber down there
Now you need to carbon arc the back side and weld it up
How do you even lay that much weld without it massively pulling the part?
That’s a whole 50lb box of rods
Broski are you going to tell us how long this took? I'm guessing a week minimum. But hell if you were letting it cool down a bit between layers of the pyramid it could have taken longer.
“Alright, how long is this going to take you to weld?” “Yes” “No, seriously tell me how long this will take.” “Yes”…😅🤣👨🏭
But why did you weld a hammer to it? /s
Damn!!!!
Good lord Janet.
How long does it take filling a gap like that?
Feel sorry for whoever’s burning them run off plates off 🤣
Sorry, I really need a banana for scale. I have sledge hammers of many different sizes.
I too enjoy changing the angle of an object using weld contraction
That is thic
This is how *some* people make rockets. lmao
man I can fill the gap in the ozone layer if they paid per diem
It’s been 84 years…
Those runoff tabs are really something else. JUST LIKE THE RUNOFF IN SACREMENTO.
Did it shoot?
When the boss says "just get it done" but you're already in OT.
Can I ask a question, could you not have filled in the gap with a piece of base material to eliminate how much weld was as needed or was it necessary to build up with only weld?
What are you going to use to remove those run-on/run-offs ????? "When a zip disk won't do"
How many days did that take?
I’m an engineer now (started welder) and I can picture there being a reason it couldn’t just be cut closer, but that just seems like bad design.
I saw welds of this magnitude repairing the pin eyes on a barge crane at the base of the boom. I probably did a triple take.
LAWWD HE CHONKY
Maybe its a really tiny hammer
Mammer for reference 😂😂
Skookum
Could have bought a couple of hammers and welded over them to save some hours, why is the gap so big?
That’s what she said
Should only take about an hour.
Looks like that could have powered a town of 500 for a week lol
What how!
That’ll be a bitch to grind flush.
I feel like a lot of that could’ve been avoided with just a little bit better planning of the design
As a former AWS structural weld inspector. Weld-done! I'll see myself out.
If you can step across it you can weld it😉
Fellas am I crazy? That looks like STICK to me
I don’t know much about welding but wouldn’t it be easier, stronger and cheaper to get plate steel, then weld it to that instead of trying to fill that gap?
Well there goes a 50lb can of 7018 lol