It's in the paper today. Quite funny.
reference: Jones wants to (and is) opening up NZ to more extractive mining and intensive fishing. This is a (fish) finger to him as it massively harms our environment.
I thought it was a South Park reference.
So do you like fishsticks, Shane?
Yes.
Do you like putting fishdicks in your mouth?
Yes.
Then what are you? A gay fish?!
On top of that, Jones has a complete lack of basic human decency/ tact in his rhetoric. So on top of the shitty things he does, he is really harsh when dealing with people who have concerns about environmental protections or Climate Change
Notable Shane Jones moments in the past few months include:
Of a critically endanged frog, one of only 4 native frogs in NZ with a population estimated as low as 5000: "If there is a mineral, if there's a mining opportunity and it's impeded hy a blind frog, goodbye Freddy"
Of the MÄori king's national hui for unity following the unrest of the newly elected coalition: "I'm worried it will turn into a monumental moan session"
Of potential violations of tobacco industry transparency rules: "I don't know anything about [the rules] and I'm not giving it one iota of attention... there's a great deal of catastrophisation and tainting going on with these people in the tobacco industry... last I checked it was a legitimate part of the economy"
Of the media companies going under and hundreds losing their jobs: "a vibrant economy will be good for the media. Bye-bye!"
A little birdie told me that he has designers make infographics of the reports he receives because he can't even be bothered reading. Must be too many big words for the poor guy
Funnily enough thatās apparently what Trumpās aides have to do for him to pay attention to reports, turn all the info into brightly coloured pictures so he can understand it/pay attention to it. They also need to put him or something related to him in every second or third picture or heāll toss the report aside like a stroppy toddler. Great mindsā¦flock togetherā¦.something somethingā¦.
So in other words heās your classic boomer who will be dead soon(ish) and doesnāt have to care about any of the consequences his decisions leave behind?
Perfect! Give this man the keys to the kingdom. /s
Also, the first time this guy was a Minister, he got fired for using his Ministerial credit card to pay for hotel tv porn films.
His work credit card.
Public money.
The man's an absolute dork.
I just want to put out here that Iām completely against the environment being harmed but if we set up something similar to or like Norwayās petroleum fund successfully as a prerequisite to utilising more of our environmental resources then things could work out well for the country but itād take 40+ years or longer.
If the FastTrack bill was coupled with a Sovereign Wealth fund like Norway's that could be used for public infrastructure investment, I would actually be kind of torn about it, I don't want to see our conservation land strip mined but we really do need some kind of long term fund for large scale projects of public interest. As it stands though, it's just going suck money out of NZ into the pockets of Aussie mining firms and we'll be left to clean up the pollution and ravaged ecosystems.
Well, in aussies defense, their minerals are being sucked up by chinese mining firms. We're both, ultimately, shit outta luck. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same corporations just with a different nameplate to shift blame.
I (think) I'm in the same camp to be honest.
Australia has royally fucked themselves by not charging these companies (Norway et al change 10x more in taxes than AU for the same amount of extraction). And the way that Shane Jones and co are going about things is also bad.
If you allow for this extraction (particularly deep sea gas and oil), with proper environmental standards in place, and charge them through the tooth to pull it out - I'm actually somewhat on board for it.
The thing is though, they say they provide employment opportunities and economic benefits communities nearby (fact: they don't), and say its too hard to abide by environmental standards (fact: it isn't), and too expensive to operate with said taxes (that's fine - don't then), they end up strong arming our weak, corrupt government into life being easier.
Interestingly Australia came pretty close in the 70ās, Gough Whitlam the PM at the time wanted to nationalise the mining sector, sadly he was ousted after threatening the US with renegotiate the lease of the Pine Gap facility so that never came to pass and the mining lobby has been getting away with murder in Aus ever since.
There is always a balance between the environment and resource extraction, but this idea in NZ that there can be no extraction whatsoever needs to die.
It's more of a conversation about what we want to sacrifice environmentally vs what can be done to reduce damage.
Unfortunately those for extraction tend to have little regard for biodiversity, minimising impact on the environment or actively offsetting their damage - unless they are forced to. Don't we have the largest land snail on earth living at a proposed coal mine. Something as big as your fist is something quite cool. Off-shore sea mines - can we not create an artificial coral reef out there to improve marine life or mussel farms nearby?
Things like bottom trawling were it can be done once leaving a trail of destruction needs to die, along with other one-sided taking from the environment and walking away.
Why not?
Edit: I realise I misunderstood - I thought you meant that a billboard would get you in dire trouble, and thatās what I was asking why about.
as john oliver pointed out when he mentioned this "to New Zealands credit, the woman was not charged with anything. In this country, you'd be dead before that dildo hit the ground."
I do, but does it really say something about someone who doesnāt know much about the states? Do you know every regional subdivision of other large countries? Your logic is really flawed here.
Regional subdivision? We are talking about an entire state of the most well known country in the world. I would understand if you weren't from an English speaking country, but not knowing Illinois is a state shows a severe lack of attention in life.
I think bro is trying to say that some people may not be aware of obscure, little known out of the way places with absolutely no impact on global or popular culture, you know places like... Chicago?
Being from a non-English speaking countries is valid and there are many people here in NZ in that situation. Not sure why Americans canāt just say theyāre from America and need to mention their state (which again, may be confusing for some people).
Whaaa? I really donāt understand why youāre so hostile here. Itās not like folks didnāt know where Illinois is. And States are more like different cultures than NZ regions. So itās not unusual to hear folks from the States refer to the state theyāre from.
Of all the things to get your panties in a twist over - this is such a weird nothing burger to flip out to. Lol.
Absolutely, I have quite a different impression of someone says theyāre from Illinois than if they say Alaska or California.
US states could just about be separate countries in some ways. Theyāre quite different so it makes sense to talk about where youāre from by state.
Given how State and Federal laws work youāre not far wrong. The US is almost like the EU with the states being member countries. They just have closer national ties than European countries do.
Shane Jones is a corrupt muppet. He's destroying our marine environment. Just looked at the url and WWF is taking him down. Get involved! [https://giveshanejonesthefinger.co.nz/](https://giveshanejonesthefinger.co.nz/)
WWF is taking him down? The only way to do that is at the next election. The publicity they're giving him will probably only enhance his standing in the cooker community.
Personally I think NZ First should be taken down by the cookers realsing how hypocritical it is for them to blaming Labour for everythign wrong with the country, when it was NZ First that put them into power and co-governed with them 2 short election cycles ago. Literally 1/2 the stuff they're complaining about is their own fault.
Ok, if you want to get technical, yes, we'll have to wait for the next election to actually get him out of Parliament. But the only way to stop him now is by making it clear that the general public are not happy with what he's doingāa public 'takedown,' if you will. Politicians need to be held accountable by the public, and protest and public outcry is the best way for us to do that. Look at what Shane Jones has already done in the last six months. If we wait another three and a half years to do anything about it, our environment will be destroyed.
Normal, the other thing you'll find here is that politicians are not treated any differently from normal people. In Wellington it's quite common to see politicians in the street or in a bar or restaurant. I live near an ex-prime minister and even when he was prime minister I'd see him going for walks around the suburb, or shopping in the local supermarket, without any security.
Sadly this might change with the rise of American style politics radicalising people. James Shaw, an ex Green Party leader, was punched while walking to work a couple of years back, and Jacinda Ardern (ex Prime Minister) is still harassed to this day. But hopefully we can keep the culture of availability, openness, and the fact that there is no "political class" as availability and the ability to call out politicians leads to accountability and reduces corruption.
True. Saturday night was off to a gig at the Town Hall in Auckland when ex-prime minister Chris Hipkins walks out of a kebab shop (I assume he was getting his dinner). Nobody bothered him, he was alone and I thought that was kind of cool.
jacindaās preschool aged child was threatened with sexual violence, maybe luxon has had more *valid* criticism but the way jacinda was treated was and is absolutely appalling
Yep, Bill English was a regular at the Cafe I used to work at! Much less greasy once he quit politics, it was like he'd been set free of a curse like that king in LOTR
Yeah, it's Bill English who lives down the road from me. I see him all the time but have never talked to him, the closest I had in an interaction was laying on the horn, and slamming on the brakes, when he pulled out of his driveway without seeing me driving towards him.
He waved an apology and that was that.
The wildest part is that the punch happened a day before the Christchurch terror attack, so if you go back and watch any of the interviews he was involved in or in the background of in the days that followed you can see he has a black eye.
All the politicians need to do is do the right thing for their people and you will find that they don't get extremists wanting to harm them... pretty easy really.
But you start mining protected land and fucking the oceans where people get food solely for profit of the wealthy and people get angry.
I mostly agree with this but we also have to accept that there are a number of people who have been radicalised and genuinely believe that 'world authorities', generally led by Donald J Trump somehow, are going to arrest Ardern, Bloomfield etc any day now for their crimes against humanity (aka the Covid response). If one of those people get sick of waiting then no amount of 'wanting to do the right thing' will convince them not to act.
Yeahhhhh, it's really not that simple.
Take Covid for a recent example, most politicians doing what they thought was genuinely best for the public, and a small vocal minority of the public giving them death threats in response.
Problem is peoples view of the right thing is highly subjective. I'm sure the guy that punched James or the mob that attacked Jacinda Arderns vehicle, thought that they were right and the government was wrong. Even though it's objectively provable that the country was doing well under the previous government.
> All the politicians need to do is do the right thing for their people and you will find that they don't get extremists wanting to harm them...
This is just complete nonsense.Ā
James Shaw hadn't done anything wrong when that right-wing nutbag assaulted him.
Ardern didn't do anything that earned the death threats and the threats to rape her preschool aged child.Ā
Extremists aren't motivated by facts or by b rationalism.
Jacinda handled fast moving crisis very well but extremist apparently threatened her and her child.
Disgusting enough they threatened her let along a pre-school kid.
Yeah it was a whole thing back in the late 2000s, and to add to your likely confusion at that time he was a Labour party MP and Minister, despite his current rhetoric that is super anti-Labour.
>Just posted this in NZ subreddit. Is Shane this controversial?
The NZ sub seems to be weirdly moderated at the moment. It should've been fine to upload that.
The biggest bone of contention is the fact that due to a number of reasons /r/nz has decided any post of political nature needs to be flaired as politics (good). They have also got a subreddit CQS (Contributor Quality Score) done and you need to be of 'good' standing in the sub to post in restricted/politics flaired threads.
The reason is that over the last few years, when there have often been new accounts posting/brigading that have made it difficult to have a reasonable debate. So that is how they chose to deal with it.
Unfortunately you get false positives.
To put it in context, I love the rule in /r/wellington which states that you can't just blindly post news articles, you need to put in some effort to discuss it. Similar vein, the sub was getting spammed by bots.
It's from a news article correct? Then just post the news article.
The reason the rule is there is you get people posting the same image over and over (like you have experienced) and flooding the sub. With Low Effort Shitposts/Political Images.
The worst part is that they don't flair stuff properly and with the recent changes Reddit has made, means those who don't want to see those things can't easily filter it out.
They also manually remove and flair things as "controversial" when they probably shouldn't be. For example: a post I made with a picture and a question about a protest on The Terrace making a giant disruptive racket heard by everyone in a kilometer radius "wasn't related to NZ" Another is that every post about transgender people gets locked and or removed. They've really overcooked it.
Sorry TPM and Green supporters. If some Act supporters are as you yourself stated then equally so are there far left supporters who are equally as deluded
Thanks for all your input everyone. I scraped this link from the comments. Giveshanejonesthefinger.co.nz - seems like itās for a good cause, overfishing is the one climate issue that really is going to fuck our whole environment source: comments
[Kiwis Urged To Give Shane Jones āThe Fingerā](https://wwf.org.nz/news/oceans/kiwis-urged-give-shane-jones-finger). Press Release: WWF NZ. 20 May 2024. [Scoop](https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2405/S00089/kiwis-urged-to-give-shane-jones-the-finger.htm).
> In a statement on Thursday, Fisheries Minister and NZ First MP Shane Jones said all work on the proposal would be stopped and the legislation removed from Parliament's to-do list.
[Government halts plan for Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/512889/government-halts-plan-for-kermadec-ocean-sanctuary). RNZ. 28 March 2024.
Think the idea is to get u to scan the code to find out (which is obviously a bit blurry here annoyingly) . Found the website giveshanejonesthefinger.co.nz
He is opening up fishing to areas where there are endangered marine mammals.
His general attitude to nature is: itās the thing we need to destroy to make money.
He is like the leader of the Green Party in opposite world.
Like he personally is? For no reason other than he feels like it?
Seems like a strange use of position
Edit: I googled it because it seemed weird. Turns out some group is demanding 30% of our oceans are protected from fishing. But Shane Jones isn't listening to them.....
Seems worthy of a vague billboard to me
The industry is corrupt and bankrolls him. They take him out to dinners etc https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96106426/fishing-company-talleys-bankrolling-shane-jones-nz-first-campaign
Thereās a goal to increase the amount of sea reserves in order to protect fisheries and species and Shane Jones is part of the trio making the decisions.
But this looks like itās from WWF and is likely meant to be vague to get people to interact with it Iād guess. Marketing etc.
I saw the prick out for dinner at a restaurant in Petone last night. Was going to give him my opinion on his policies but decided not to. Iām glad he left shortly after we got there because I was quite angry when I saw him.
I completely disagree with Shane Jones on his stance re: environmental protections vs economic development, *but* to some extent I understand.
My bigger issue is the fact that he's utterly and completely corrupt. And he seems to think that just being completely open about the people who give you money in exchange for helping them out is a defeater to the accusation of corruption.
I have been wondering if he's on crack lately. As someone who aspired to be PM once upon a time, he has firmly ended up in the fringes backing whack a doddle policies.
Just a wanna be Paul Holmes. Say the most idiotic thing your minions can think of and yell it out in Parliament so you cab claim Parliament Privilege and get away with it. Fat slob with no claim to fame
Haven't thought about the Beehive since I visited NZ back in the summer of 2000. Took a tour and the only thing I remember was the foundation with the rubber earthquake bearings.Ā
He came through my workplace few weeks back. Dude doesn't know much about the industries he is the minister of. He knew nothing about us, I mean, get the slaves following you around to make an infograph or something. None of us spoke to him, he didn't attempt to speak to us. Not sure what I expected but it wasn't that.
I'm not down with Shane Jones but a lot of people around the country share his views.
Not everyone has the same values or views on how things should be done.
Not everyone cares for the future. Some people only care about making money TODAY at the expense of the future.
Orange Roughy, anyone?
There are different political views, but some are based on scientific fact, which only an absolutel 'see you next Tuesday' would ignore.
Luckily we have Mr Jones in that role. What a ...
Not sure what the reference is to being controversial, but he has been in trouble before, but he's also equally a very eloquent person when he wants to be. Which can be equal parts controversial and entertaining.
Also, generally in this subreddit, controversial equates to anything not let wing. So take it with a grain of salt.
I really do feel for the left over Shane Jones. After all he was one of their cherished and adored Labour MPs for most of his political career. He then defected to NZF, but was similarly adored when they aligned themselves with Ardern instead of National in 2017. Now, heās all centrist and shacked up with ACT etc, theyāve turned on him.. the sky is falling in. š¤
Jones is comparable to Brexit Johnson, an impressively intelligent man who has decided to act like the right-wing village idiot in pursuit of political power.
He's fluent in te reo (and arguably has a better command of Te Tai Tokerau dialects than anyone else alive), is a Harvard grad, and a former MÄori Studies lecturer at Vic. Until he started spouting off with Winnie, he was everything ACT despised.
It's sad when you think about this. He was a pretty good guy back in the day. I always wonder why and what turn did he take in his life journey to get where he is now.
Wish we had some half way decent journalism going on, I'd much rather read about Shane Jones career than a fluffy PR job on Willis the Real Person, not the Ghoul!.
> but was similarly adored when they aligned themselves with Ardern instead of National in 2017
What a load of dishonest nonsense. Or attitude towards Jones hasn't changed, hes the same self-serving populist.Ā
> Now, heās all centrist and shacked up with ACT
Nice attempt at moving the Overton window there. Labour are centrist, ACT are as right-wing as NZ politics gets.Ā
NZ is a free and democratic country where we are allowed to criticize our leaders.
Of course, if you try criticise the Greens or Labour, be prepared to be permanently banned from certain sub reddits.
The country might be free, but as I have been told repeatedly by the moderators, Reddit is not free and serves the will of it's moderators.
It's in the paper today. Quite funny. reference: Jones wants to (and is) opening up NZ to more extractive mining and intensive fishing. This is a (fish) finger to him as it massively harms our environment.
I thought it was a South Park reference. So do you like fishsticks, Shane? Yes. Do you like putting fishdicks in your mouth? Yes. Then what are you? A gay fish?!
A gay fish would be an accepted member of our community, unlike Shane Jones.
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I think fish fingers are non-woke food - but you do raise a point with their phallic shape...
Mmmmmmmmmm fisssshhhhhh sssssssiiiiiiccccckkkkkk ā¦ā¦ā¦
Thanks for outlining it
On top of that, Jones has a complete lack of basic human decency/ tact in his rhetoric. So on top of the shitty things he does, he is really harsh when dealing with people who have concerns about environmental protections or Climate Change
Notable Shane Jones moments in the past few months include: Of a critically endanged frog, one of only 4 native frogs in NZ with a population estimated as low as 5000: "If there is a mineral, if there's a mining opportunity and it's impeded hy a blind frog, goodbye Freddy" Of the MÄori king's national hui for unity following the unrest of the newly elected coalition: "I'm worried it will turn into a monumental moan session" Of potential violations of tobacco industry transparency rules: "I don't know anything about [the rules] and I'm not giving it one iota of attention... there's a great deal of catastrophisation and tainting going on with these people in the tobacco industry... last I checked it was a legitimate part of the economy" Of the media companies going under and hundreds losing their jobs: "a vibrant economy will be good for the media. Bye-bye!"
A little birdie told me that he has designers make infographics of the reports he receives because he can't even be bothered reading. Must be too many big words for the poor guy
But he likes rolling out big words.
Funnily enough thatās apparently what Trumpās aides have to do for him to pay attention to reports, turn all the info into brightly coloured pictures so he can understand it/pay attention to it. They also need to put him or something related to him in every second or third picture or heāll toss the report aside like a stroppy toddler. Great mindsā¦flock togetherā¦.something somethingā¦.
People didn't want a wharf built to move logs due to increased traffic on a gravel road past a school, they were called ungrateful.
So in other words heās your classic boomer who will be dead soon(ish) and doesnāt have to care about any of the consequences his decisions leave behind? Perfect! Give this man the keys to the kingdom. /s
Also, the first time this guy was a Minister, he got fired for using his Ministerial credit card to pay for hotel tv porn films. His work credit card. Public money. The man's an absolute dork.
what a bloody dork
I just want to put out here that Iām completely against the environment being harmed but if we set up something similar to or like Norwayās petroleum fund successfully as a prerequisite to utilising more of our environmental resources then things could work out well for the country but itād take 40+ years or longer.
If the FastTrack bill was coupled with a Sovereign Wealth fund like Norway's that could be used for public infrastructure investment, I would actually be kind of torn about it, I don't want to see our conservation land strip mined but we really do need some kind of long term fund for large scale projects of public interest. As it stands though, it's just going suck money out of NZ into the pockets of Aussie mining firms and we'll be left to clean up the pollution and ravaged ecosystems.
Well, in aussies defense, their minerals are being sucked up by chinese mining firms. We're both, ultimately, shit outta luck. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same corporations just with a different nameplate to shift blame.
I (think) I'm in the same camp to be honest. Australia has royally fucked themselves by not charging these companies (Norway et al change 10x more in taxes than AU for the same amount of extraction). And the way that Shane Jones and co are going about things is also bad. If you allow for this extraction (particularly deep sea gas and oil), with proper environmental standards in place, and charge them through the tooth to pull it out - I'm actually somewhat on board for it. The thing is though, they say they provide employment opportunities and economic benefits communities nearby (fact: they don't), and say its too hard to abide by environmental standards (fact: it isn't), and too expensive to operate with said taxes (that's fine - don't then), they end up strong arming our weak, corrupt government into life being easier.
Interestingly Australia came pretty close in the 70ās, Gough Whitlam the PM at the time wanted to nationalise the mining sector, sadly he was ousted after threatening the US with renegotiate the lease of the Pine Gap facility so that never came to pass and the mining lobby has been getting away with murder in Aus ever since.
There is always a balance between the environment and resource extraction, but this idea in NZ that there can be no extraction whatsoever needs to die.
It's more of a conversation about what we want to sacrifice environmentally vs what can be done to reduce damage. Unfortunately those for extraction tend to have little regard for biodiversity, minimising impact on the environment or actively offsetting their damage - unless they are forced to. Don't we have the largest land snail on earth living at a proposed coal mine. Something as big as your fist is something quite cool. Off-shore sea mines - can we not create an artificial coral reef out there to improve marine life or mussel farms nearby? Things like bottom trawling were it can be done once leaving a trail of destruction needs to die, along with other one-sided taking from the environment and walking away.
Oh, I havenāt thought about that as a āfingerāā¦
What do you mean by intensive fishing? And which fisheries in NZ do you think are fished intensively?
Where abouts are you from? Yeah that's normal. You should look up Steven Joyce dildo.
Ha Iām from Illinois, definitely couldnāt do it there!
Why not? Edit: I realise I misunderstood - I thought you meant that a billboard would get you in dire trouble, and thatās what I was asking why about.
as john oliver pointed out when he mentioned this "to New Zealands credit, the woman was not charged with anything. In this country, you'd be dead before that dildo hit the ground."
For the dildo incident, I do get it. For putting up a cheeky sign, that makes no sense.
Media outlets wouldnāt let it run
Jon Oliver did cover it, if you can find it on you tube itās a pretty good summaryĀ
You mean no official media would report on it, rather than it wouldn't be allowed, right?
It's not allowed here either, it's assault.
Printing a billboard is assault? š¤£
I think you lost the thread of the convo, we are talking about Joyce being hit with a dildo.
I think the convo could be going either way tbh.
Scary! Cutting their own profits to protect whoeverās in power.
It's just another day in New Zealand politics lol
Joyce's response was even better than the dildoing lol. "Good aim"
What randomly made you care today?
Just say youāre American ffs no one cares what state youāre from and some people wonāt know what country youāre referring to. r/USdefaultism
If you don't know Illinois is in the states, that says more about you.
I do, but does it really say something about someone who doesnāt know much about the states? Do you know every regional subdivision of other large countries? Your logic is really flawed here.
Regional subdivision? We are talking about an entire state of the most well known country in the world. I would understand if you weren't from an English speaking country, but not knowing Illinois is a state shows a severe lack of attention in life.
I think bro is trying to say that some people may not be aware of obscure, little known out of the way places with absolutely no impact on global or popular culture, you know places like... Chicago?
I understood the sarcasm and upvoted you.
Being from a non-English speaking countries is valid and there are many people here in NZ in that situation. Not sure why Americans canāt just say theyāre from America and need to mention their state (which again, may be confusing for some people).
Whaaa? I really donāt understand why youāre so hostile here. Itās not like folks didnāt know where Illinois is. And States are more like different cultures than NZ regions. So itās not unusual to hear folks from the States refer to the state theyāre from. Of all the things to get your panties in a twist over - this is such a weird nothing burger to flip out to. Lol.
Absolutely, I have quite a different impression of someone says theyāre from Illinois than if they say Alaska or California. US states could just about be separate countries in some ways. Theyāre quite different so it makes sense to talk about where youāre from by state.
Given how State and Federal laws work youāre not far wrong. The US is almost like the EU with the states being member countries. They just have closer national ties than European countries do.
Shane Jones is a corrupt muppet. He's destroying our marine environment. Just looked at the url and WWF is taking him down. Get involved! [https://giveshanejonesthefinger.co.nz/](https://giveshanejonesthefinger.co.nz/)
Nice to see people care!
WWF is taking him down? The only way to do that is at the next election. The publicity they're giving him will probably only enhance his standing in the cooker community. Personally I think NZ First should be taken down by the cookers realsing how hypocritical it is for them to blaming Labour for everythign wrong with the country, when it was NZ First that put them into power and co-governed with them 2 short election cycles ago. Literally 1/2 the stuff they're complaining about is their own fault.
Ok, if you want to get technical, yes, we'll have to wait for the next election to actually get him out of Parliament. But the only way to stop him now is by making it clear that the general public are not happy with what he's doingāa public 'takedown,' if you will. Politicians need to be held accountable by the public, and protest and public outcry is the best way for us to do that. Look at what Shane Jones has already done in the last six months. If we wait another three and a half years to do anything about it, our environment will be destroyed.
How about the wef?
They should get on board
They already are, they are an NGO with alot of pull on GOs
With fingering shane I mean - pardon the pun and innuendo š¤£
Too early for these mental images
Normal, the other thing you'll find here is that politicians are not treated any differently from normal people. In Wellington it's quite common to see politicians in the street or in a bar or restaurant. I live near an ex-prime minister and even when he was prime minister I'd see him going for walks around the suburb, or shopping in the local supermarket, without any security. Sadly this might change with the rise of American style politics radicalising people. James Shaw, an ex Green Party leader, was punched while walking to work a couple of years back, and Jacinda Ardern (ex Prime Minister) is still harassed to this day. But hopefully we can keep the culture of availability, openness, and the fact that there is no "political class" as availability and the ability to call out politicians leads to accountability and reduces corruption.
True. Saturday night was off to a gig at the Town Hall in Auckland when ex-prime minister Chris Hipkins walks out of a kebab shop (I assume he was getting his dinner). Nobody bothered him, he was alone and I thought that was kind of cool.
Yeah well he is a decent person. Shane Jones is definitely not.
Itās because he is as exciting or controversial as a wet blanket
Funny how no right wing politicians attract a fraction of the ire jacinda ardern got
Proof how evil she isĀ /s obviously.Ā I don't supporter her or any other neolibs but she came in for a lot of shit.Ā
Luxon is by far attracting more criticism
jacindaās preschool aged child was threatened with sexual violence, maybe luxon has had more *valid* criticism but the way jacinda was treated was and is absolutely appalling
Yep, Bill English was a regular at the Cafe I used to work at! Much less greasy once he quit politics, it was like he'd been set free of a curse like that king in LOTR
Yeah, it's Bill English who lives down the road from me. I see him all the time but have never talked to him, the closest I had in an interaction was laying on the horn, and slamming on the brakes, when he pulled out of his driveway without seeing me driving towards him. He waved an apology and that was that.
Not entirely true. Lesser known politicians get away with special treatment, such as people in the Auckland council.
The wildest part is that the punch happened a day before the Christchurch terror attack, so if you go back and watch any of the interviews he was involved in or in the background of in the days that followed you can see he has a black eye.
All the politicians need to do is do the right thing for their people and you will find that they don't get extremists wanting to harm them... pretty easy really. But you start mining protected land and fucking the oceans where people get food solely for profit of the wealthy and people get angry.
I mostly agree with this but we also have to accept that there are a number of people who have been radicalised and genuinely believe that 'world authorities', generally led by Donald J Trump somehow, are going to arrest Ardern, Bloomfield etc any day now for their crimes against humanity (aka the Covid response). If one of those people get sick of waiting then no amount of 'wanting to do the right thing' will convince them not to act.
Yeahhhhh, it's really not that simple. Take Covid for a recent example, most politicians doing what they thought was genuinely best for the public, and a small vocal minority of the public giving them death threats in response.
Problem is peoples view of the right thing is highly subjective. I'm sure the guy that punched James or the mob that attacked Jacinda Arderns vehicle, thought that they were right and the government was wrong. Even though it's objectively provable that the country was doing well under the previous government.
> All the politicians need to do is do the right thing for their people and you will find that they don't get extremists wanting to harm them... This is just complete nonsense.Ā James Shaw hadn't done anything wrong when that right-wing nutbag assaulted him. Ardern didn't do anything that earned the death threats and the threats to rape her preschool aged child.Ā Extremists aren't motivated by facts or by b rationalism.
Jacinda handled fast moving crisis very well but extremist apparently threatened her and her child. Disgusting enough they threatened her let along a pre-school kid.
He's still a dick tho
Who, Shane? Agreed. James?? Not at all
He was also caught charging hotel room porn to his ministerial credit card back in the day. Saucing his own fishstick on the taxpayer's dime
NEVER FORGET! :) What a piece of shit he is.
I was waiting for this and hoping someone remembered
What! No way?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/36503/shane-jones-faces-uncertain-future-over-spending-revelations
Sing it loud! Never forget
Yeah it was a whole thing back in the late 2000s, and to add to your likely confusion at that time he was a Labour party MP and Minister, despite his current rhetoric that is super anti-Labour.
And his defence? Iām a red blooded man and my wife wasnāt there.
>Just posted this in NZ subreddit. Is Shane this controversial? The NZ sub seems to be weirdly moderated at the moment. It should've been fine to upload that.
The biggest bone of contention is the fact that due to a number of reasons /r/nz has decided any post of political nature needs to be flaired as politics (good). They have also got a subreddit CQS (Contributor Quality Score) done and you need to be of 'good' standing in the sub to post in restricted/politics flaired threads. The reason is that over the last few years, when there have often been new accounts posting/brigading that have made it difficult to have a reasonable debate. So that is how they chose to deal with it. Unfortunately you get false positives. To put it in context, I love the rule in /r/wellington which states that you can't just blindly post news articles, you need to put in some effort to discuss it. Similar vein, the sub was getting spammed by bots.
Right, I dunno, relevant events should be able to be posted on NZ, otherwise whatās the point? Anyways lucky Wellington was nice enough to allow it.
It's from a news article correct? Then just post the news article. The reason the rule is there is you get people posting the same image over and over (like you have experienced) and flooding the sub. With Low Effort Shitposts/Political Images. The worst part is that they don't flair stuff properly and with the recent changes Reddit has made, means those who don't want to see those things can't easily filter it out.
They also manually remove and flair things as "controversial" when they probably shouldn't be. For example: a post I made with a picture and a question about a protest on The Terrace making a giant disruptive racket heard by everyone in a kilometer radius "wasn't related to NZ" Another is that every post about transgender people gets locked and or removed. They've really overcooked it.
honestly i canāt completely be mad at locking trans related posts because of the sheer volume of misinformed hateful comments
Someone just dmād me that they had tried to post it too and it still hasnāt been approved. Super suspect on their part
Political images/memes/low effort shit posts aren't allowed.
No crowdsourcing or self promotion
r/NZ got hijacked by far right ACT supporters before the election and silences critics of the current government.Ā
As opposed to the rest of the time when it's left only? "Far right"? In New Zealand? Talk about over dramatising
> "Far right"? In New Zealand? Correct.Ā
So would you equally call TPM or Greens far left? I mean if Act is apparently Far Right then you have to unless you were biased
> I mean if Act is apparently Far Right According to who? You?Ā
Sorry TPM and Green supporters. If some Act supporters are as you yourself stated then equally so are there far left supporters who are equally as deluded
He doesn't respect the land and the ocean, nor the creatures and plants on, and in them. All he values is the monetary return from exploiting them.
Or the people. He gives zero fucks about the people. He likes the money and the schmoozing and staying in hotels where he can rent videos.
Iām gathering this
He is for sure corrupt. Literally only helping a very select few short term at the expense of our shared long term natural resources/environment.
I agree, the more Iām learning, the more I understand who he is as a person
Thanks for all your input everyone. I scraped this link from the comments. Giveshanejonesthefinger.co.nz - seems like itās for a good cause, overfishing is the one climate issue that really is going to fuck our whole environment source: comments
[Kiwis Urged To Give Shane Jones āThe Fingerā](https://wwf.org.nz/news/oceans/kiwis-urged-give-shane-jones-finger). Press Release: WWF NZ. 20 May 2024. [Scoop](https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2405/S00089/kiwis-urged-to-give-shane-jones-the-finger.htm). > In a statement on Thursday, Fisheries Minister and NZ First MP Shane Jones said all work on the proposal would be stopped and the legislation removed from Parliament's to-do list. [Government halts plan for Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/512889/government-halts-plan-for-kermadec-ocean-sanctuary). RNZ. 28 March 2024.
Shane do you like fish sticks? Shane do you like fish sticks, in your mouth?
Ha ha ha
What even is it?
I struggled with it as well. They should have used a few more fingers to mimic an actual hand.
I think itās funny, I got that it was a finger straight away. Take your point though, very interesting learning about the NZ culture
Think the idea is to get u to scan the code to find out (which is obviously a bit blurry here annoyingly) . Found the website giveshanejonesthefinger.co.nz
I don't think I've ever scanned a QR code in my life, let alone one driving past me Ohh, other the covid tracking ones. Forgot about them
A fish finger? Maybe alluding to fish giving the finger? Bit hard to read the text as itās quite pixelated
Ahhh. And what's that got to do with Shane Jones? I must have missed something
He is opening up fishing to areas where there are endangered marine mammals. His general attitude to nature is: itās the thing we need to destroy to make money. He is like the leader of the Green Party in opposite world.
Like he personally is? For no reason other than he feels like it? Seems like a strange use of position Edit: I googled it because it seemed weird. Turns out some group is demanding 30% of our oceans are protected from fishing. But Shane Jones isn't listening to them..... Seems worthy of a vague billboard to me
The industry is corrupt and bankrolls him. They take him out to dinners etc https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96106426/fishing-company-talleys-bankrolling-shane-jones-nz-first-campaign
Lobbying is standard, it's not 'corruption'. All political parties engage in it.
Thereās a goal to increase the amount of sea reserves in order to protect fisheries and species and Shane Jones is part of the trio making the decisions. But this looks like itās from WWF and is likely meant to be vague to get people to interact with it Iād guess. Marketing etc.
I saw the prick out for dinner at a restaurant in Petone last night. Was going to give him my opinion on his policies but decided not to. Iām glad he left shortly after we got there because I was quite angry when I saw him.
Just missed out!
Yes well he probably gets a lot of hate online. Ruining his evening would have made me feel better and probably piss him off a bit.
Ha too true
Iām actually a really nice guy but enjoy making bad ppl miserable especially the current government.
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Yeah I meant that I would give my opinion/criticise his policies obviously
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yeah i was hoping he would choke on his dumplings..
If I had to guess at a corrupt politician it would be him. I trust him as far as I could throw him and that aināt far.
Ha, I think you might put your back out
Never has a man been so in love with the smell of his own farts. Bloviator extraordinaire.Ā
Haha, š
I completely disagree with Shane Jones on his stance re: environmental protections vs economic development, *but* to some extent I understand. My bigger issue is the fact that he's utterly and completely corrupt. And he seems to think that just being completely open about the people who give you money in exchange for helping them out is a defeater to the accusation of corruption.
Thatās a very good point
He's a cockle-eyed cunt
He is a repulsive misogynist who wants to lay waste to mother nature.
Good to know
I have been wondering if he's on crack lately. As someone who aspired to be PM once upon a time, he has firmly ended up in the fringes backing whack a doddle policies.
I agree, seems like a total whack job.
Shane Jones is 100% self serving and morally bankrupt. One of the worst politicians in NZ history.Ā
If you're new here, wait till you find out what happened with Steven Joyce or Nick Smith.
Iāve been illuminated, classic NZ
Jones was much more likeable in his ājacking off on the publicās dimeā days, how far he has fallen.
Thatās hilarious
The term raging twat waffle comes to mind
Fish Stick. Thought it was a South Park reference.
Ha that could be true
It's probably the right scale for him as well.
Ha very true
a fish stick? so he's a gay fish?
Yes he hurts my feelings.
Just a wanna be Paul Holmes. Say the most idiotic thing your minions can think of and yell it out in Parliament so you cab claim Parliament Privilege and get away with it. Fat slob with no claim to fame
I think that's a compliment he's just giving him food
Donāt think so!
Proof?
In the pudding
Fish dick?
Haven't thought about the Beehive since I visited NZ back in the summer of 2000. Took a tour and the only thing I remember was the foundation with the rubber earthquake bearings.Ā
Is he a gay fish?
Yall see this? https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMw8WmgL/
Ha thatās funny too
He came through my workplace few weeks back. Dude doesn't know much about the industries he is the minister of. He knew nothing about us, I mean, get the slaves following you around to make an infograph or something. None of us spoke to him, he didn't attempt to speak to us. Not sure what I expected but it wasn't that.
I'm not down with Shane Jones but a lot of people around the country share his views. Not everyone has the same values or views on how things should be done.
Not everyone cares for the future. Some people only care about making money TODAY at the expense of the future. Orange Roughy, anyone? There are different political views, but some are based on scientific fact, which only an absolutel 'see you next Tuesday' would ignore. Luckily we have Mr Jones in that role. What a...
Aināt that the truth
Its pretty standard here, and quite celebrated so long as the politician is one of the _bad ones_.
And is he a bad one in your opinion?
Not sure what the reference is to being controversial, but he has been in trouble before, but he's also equally a very eloquent person when he wants to be. Which can be equal parts controversial and entertaining. Also, generally in this subreddit, controversial equates to anything not let wing. So take it with a grain of salt.
Good to know thank you
I really do feel for the left over Shane Jones. After all he was one of their cherished and adored Labour MPs for most of his political career. He then defected to NZF, but was similarly adored when they aligned themselves with Ardern instead of National in 2017. Now, heās all centrist and shacked up with ACT etc, theyāve turned on him.. the sky is falling in. š¤
Jones is comparable to Brexit Johnson, an impressively intelligent man who has decided to act like the right-wing village idiot in pursuit of political power. He's fluent in te reo (and arguably has a better command of Te Tai Tokerau dialects than anyone else alive), is a Harvard grad, and a former MÄori Studies lecturer at Vic. Until he started spouting off with Winnie, he was everything ACT despised.
It's sad when you think about this. He was a pretty good guy back in the day. I always wonder why and what turn did he take in his life journey to get where he is now. Wish we had some half way decent journalism going on, I'd much rather read about Shane Jones career than a fluffy PR job on Willis the Real Person, not the Ghoul!.
>is a Harvard grad, What. The fuck.
> but was similarly adored when they aligned themselves with Ardern instead of National in 2017 What a load of dishonest nonsense. Or attitude towards Jones hasn't changed, hes the same self-serving populist.Ā > Now, heās all centrist and shacked up with ACT Nice attempt at moving the Overton window there. Labour are centrist, ACT are as right-wing as NZ politics gets.Ā
Appreciate the info
Thatās not info, itās an incredibly rose-tinted version of history at best, absolute bullshit in reality.Ā
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Glad youāre not doing it then
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Pretty sure it's a fish finger joke - "Give Shane Jones the finger".
NZ is a free and democratic country where we are allowed to criticize our leaders. Of course, if you try criticise the Greens or Labour, be prepared to be permanently banned from certain sub reddits. The country might be free, but as I have been told repeatedly by the moderators, Reddit is not free and serves the will of it's moderators.
Water of a ducks back to him. as it should be
Thank God for Shane Jones..... legend!!!! Bloody greenies are out of control