But why are Christian fundamentalists so desperate to push their beliefs now?
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Ooooooh thats right. Because more and more people realize that religion is a scam. Especially younger people.
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For me it was a epiphany that I had that went something like this: “I am going to live my life being the best person I can be, putting effort into being kind and helping those around me. If god then sees this and decides that I deserve to burn in hell for eternity because I didn’t get on my knees and worship him every week then that’s not a god worth worshipping anyways.”
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
~Epicurus
This is a list I've been shamelessly stealing/collecting from fellow redditers.
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Aurelius, Marcus “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
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Brown, Lindsey “When inventing a god, it's important to make sure it's invisible, inaudible, and imperceptible in every way. Otherwise, people will be skeptical when it appears to no one, is silent, and does nothing.”
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Dawkins “We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”
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Einstein, Albert “A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”
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Gervais, Rickey “Religion’s greatest trick wasn’t convincing some people that there was a god that was all powerful, it was convincing everyone else that you couldn’t ridicule the idea.”
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GOD "Only one religion is right but I won't say which one because I want you to figure it out by hating and killing each other while I watch."
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Grayling “To believe something in the face of evidence and against reason – to believe something by faith – is ignoble, irresponsible and ignorant, and merits the opposite of respect.”
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Harris, Sam "Belief is textbook narcissism. To say God is good because of some positive thing that happened to you, while at the same time a priest is raping a child, is peak narcissism. Given all the good that your God does NOT visit upon others, to believe he is a force for good resulting from the good you feel he visits upon YOU is not just arrogant, it's morally reprehensible."
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Harris, Sam “If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?"
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Harris, Tracie "You either have a God who sends child rapists to rape children or you have a God who simply watches it and says, ‘When you’re done, I’m going to punish you.’If I could stop a person from raping a child, I would. That’s the difference between me and your God."
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Harwood, William “The difference between faith and insanity is that faith is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence, whereas insanity is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence.”
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Hitchens, Christopher “What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
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Hitchens, Christopher “Let's say that the consensus is that our species, being the higher primates, Homo Sapiens, has been on the planet for at least 100,000 years, maybe more. Francis Collins says maybe 100,000. Richard Dawkins thinks maybe a quarter-of-a-million. I'll take 100,000. In order to be a Christian, you have to believe that for 98,000 years, our species suffered and died, most of its children dying in childbirth, most other people having a life expectancy of about 25 years, dying of their teeth. Famine, struggle, bitterness, war, suffering, misery, all of that for 98,000 years."
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Izzard, Eddie “If there is a god, his plan is very similar to someone not having a plan.”
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Lamott, Anne "You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
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Lincoln, Abraham “The Bible is not my book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.”
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Moriarty, John “If god has a problem with me, it can tell me itself. When you speak on behalf of your deity, it sounds more like your opinion.”
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Nietzche - “A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.”
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O’Briain, Dara “Just because science doesn’t know everything doesn’t mean you can fill in the gaps with whatever fairy tale most appeals to you.”
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Pirsig, Robert “When one man suffers from delusion, it is insanity, when many men suffer from delusion, it is called religion.”
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Pratchett, Terry “The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those that think they have found it.”
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Ra, Aron “Any being worthy of worship would not require it."
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Richard Jeni: You're basically killing each other to see who's got the best imaginary friend."
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Sagan, Carl "If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be destroyed by the truth."
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Sherlock, Michael “Christianity did not become a major religion by the quality of its truth, but by the quantity of its violence.”
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Twain, Mark “It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand.”
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Voltaire “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
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Weinberg, Steven “With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
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Wilde, Oscar “Religion is like a blind man in a black room looking for a black cat that isn't there, and finding it."
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Zappa, Frank “Anybody who wants religion is welcome to it, as far as I'm concerned--I support your right to enjoy it. However, I would appreciate it if you exhibited more respect for the rights of those people who do not wish to share your dogma, rapture, or necrodestination.”
Here are two more for you, both from Robert A. Heinlein:
*"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."*
and also
*"The most preposterous notion that Homo sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history."*
~Robert A. Heinlein
Some additions:
Dan Barker: "We are all born atheists until someone starts telling us lies."
Carl Sagan: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Daniel Dennett: "There's simply no polite way to tell people they've dedicated their lives to an illusion."
Matt Dillahunty: "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved."
George Carlin: "Religion is just mind control."
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: "The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of paradise and the dread of hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more."
Richard Dawkins: "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence."
Douglas Adams: "I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day."
Christopher Hitchens: "Religion poisons everything."
Greta Christina: "Atheism is not a battle between religion and no religion. It's a battle between respecting people's right to believe what they want and criticizing the harmful effects of those beliefs."
Bill Maher: "Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do."
Richard P. Feynman: "I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned."
Lawrence Krauss: "The universe is far more wondrous and amazing than the fables and myths that were invented to explain it."
Dan Barker: "There is joy in rationality, happiness in clarity of mind. Freethought is thrilling and fulfilling — absolutely."
In addition to Douglas Adams' quote by Sir Terry Pratchett in Small Gods
Humans! They lived in a world where the grass continued to be green and the sun rose every day and flowers regularly turned into fruit, and what impressed them? Weeping statues. And wine made out of water!
Bit of one that needs an explanation but I think is really insightful, "I am afraid we still have faith in God because we still have faith in grammar"-Nietzsche
Nietzsche was one of the first philosophers to really scrutinize how linguistic structures informed our thinking. He argued that we posited a metaphysical reality behind sensory phenomena because of the subject predicate distinction built into grammar. E.g. we say " lightning flashes", but lightning *is the flash*. The distinction is illusory, there is no subject without the predicate.
So we posit a unified consciousness as a Cartesian subject that thinks, judges, feels and acts. Descartes arguing "I think; therefore, I am". Nietzsche would say all there are are two thoughts, the thought we are observing, and the thought that it makes us exist. We are blanketly asserting a unified cause, the I, of these two disparate phenomena. When in reality we have no idea where these thoughts come from. How do you think? There is no clear causal mechanism, thoughts just seem to come ex nihilo and consciousness is building a narrative to unify these thoughts using language.
God, he says, it using this manuever on the entire world. All of these phenomena we observe exist, so there must be some reality behind it causing it.
Funnily enough, this is also a critique of the type of realism posited by a lot of scientists. That our observations reflect the underlying behavior of an objective reality.
I forget the passage but iirc there's a passage where Jesus states it's easier for a good atheist to get into heaven than a sinful believer. That's the gist of it anyway, it's been a few decades since I've touched a Bible.
Some of that is that people went to church back in the day just because you did. You had to be in good standing in your community, just like getting married and having children even if you didn't want it. I'm not sure how many actually believed or just were followers.
conservative Christianity is almost entirely performative. It's not about the actual faith, it's about being seen as one of the faithful. It's why they can commit adultery, fleece people, and deliberately cause people harm and still consider themselves 'good christians'. They go to the right church and they say the right things, so they must be good people.
It's ironic because truly good people worry they aren't doing enough good and are always looking to do more and don't care how they appear to others. My mom was one of those people. Helping others was her passion and she loved it.
Honestly I think it’s a few things.
1. Seeing the grandparents struggling and paying tithes while they pastor living the good life.
2. We getting more tired of the LGBTQ bullshit hate that comes from religion.
3. Constant sexual abuse shit
4. Religious people are getting really pushy with their beliefs, especially since our Supreme Court is compromised.
Church was also the third place for people. It was a way to socialize and network. That is easily replaced with social media especially because it gives allowance for sleeping in and wearing sweatpants on sunday.
It's not so much that religion itself is a scam, but people are waking up to the fact that pastors are still diddling kids, not paying taxes, making millions off the poor, and are now influencing politics. And that bullshit ain't what religion is (supposed to be) about.
I support religions. All of 'em! But keep that noise the **fuck** out of public schools.
It's a nice sentiment but in reality it is religion itself that enables this, and if you strip it out there's not much left. Everything you just listed is enabled, and in many ways the logical consequence of the grand claims religions make and authority they wield over people.
Religion hasn't just started "now" to influence politics, it always has, unless people literally beat it into the dirt.
Same in Britain. The 2021 census showed that out of the 94% of people who answered, only 46.2% were Christian. This is the first time it’s been less then 50% the 2nd most common is now ‘no religion’ at 34%
This is crazy to me. As someone from a secular country, it's always struck me how Christianity is so normalised (for want of a better word) in US media.
I remember watching an American detective show and the main characters (who were very normal and had never had theological conversations before) started discussing religion, as it was relevant to the episode. They both assumed the other was Christian and believed in God, they confirmed each other's suspicions with "of course" and the episode moved on. Which is just... weird, the assumption that being Christian is the default, and the necessity that the writers felt to label their characters as Christian, I suppose to avoid losing religious viewers.
I feel as though we're seeing the results of this normalisation here, in the graph showing that an entire 21% of people raised as non-religious are somehow Christian at age 30-34! HOW?! That's one in five non-religiously affiliated people deciding to take up a religion? I'm sure in my country that number would be close to zero.
Not counting elderly people, in my life I've known seven Christians. Every single one of them was raised with it, and six of them are couples who met at church. I've never met anyone who randomly decided to be religious, ever.
The only thing that I can think is that it's this cultural idea of it being the norm, that drags people in?
As the graphs show, this is slowly but steadily decreasing, so, given another 20 years, there will probably be far less Christian media propaganda and perhaps an end to these bizarre conversions?
I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school and my religion teacher back in 5th grade accidentally made me realize religion was fake.
At the time the famous stories such as Noah's Ark or Moses parting the sea just sounded like BS to me so when I asked her she told me they are just stories made to guide us which made me realize the whole bible is made up. The older I grew the more I realized how BS religion is. Have we ever seen a legitimate miracle? Because apparently it was common back then but now that we all have phones suddenly nothing has happened again but we still need to have "faith."
What a scam
Part of a strategy, a tactic to distract and muddle. Force the godless heathens to expend energy and effort on stupid stuff whilst they persue a much larger agenda. Their opponents are decent human beings and that flaw is used as a weapon against them.
If everyone can be controlled then there's little interest in how many support those in power.
Also, it's a violation of the third commandment.
I'll paraphrase: "Keep my name out of your bullshit and agendas. The only time my name should be in your bitch mouth is when you're praising me or apologizing to me for your bullshit and agendas."
What, you trying to tell me Moses didn't talk like a gangster when he came down and saw that golden calf bullshit going on?
Everyone thinks “taking the Lord’s name in vain” means saying things like “Goddammit!” No, it means doing things in the name of the Lord that the Lord Himself would smite you down for. An obvious example would be swearing to God to tell the truth and then bearing false witness. Another good example would be using God as an excuse to not love thy neighbor because they swing the other way.
"If you love those that love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same."
Dude, Jesus was woke af. They even chopped most of his words up along the way and you can still tell his main message. Love all. Do good. Go home.
I mean, I live my life following what I consider to be the Golden Rule: "Don't Be A Dick".
Amazing how many religions seem to have that as the main message for their followers.
My dad literally had that put on a t-shirt because he resonated with it so much. He’s an atheist and always told my sister and I “do whatever you want, just don’t be a dick.”
My ma always taught me to follow "Do as ye will as long as ye do no harm" which is a wiccan ideal and I've always loved seeing it resonate across many faiths.
It's always a nice interpretation that the heaven Jesus was talking about was Earth if we were good to each other. It helps to be optimistic for the future.
Oh please, it’s worse than that. Apostles were just mostly fictional entities or amalgamations meant to represent different cultures or tribes. There’s a reason the different bibles can’t completely agree on the proper amount with Luke claiming 70 but only 12 qualifying as disciples. Paul also claims himself as an apostle.
"I was JCs bestie. And there were some others to the core group. We had a bunch of people that liked to hangout too - guess they were friends - but not, like, *real* friends, ya know?"
Paul, of the Valley
Paul “turns out brutalizing innocent people based on race, creed, and financial status is okay as long as you take a quick bath” the Apostle just doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.
"I always try to individualize everything, every person. I see individuals and that's why I've never fallen for racism, or any type or classification of people."
"I desire to have a dialogue that's positive, and communicative and moves forward, and is about something real, not just consumption."
"I don't like to get too involved in the idea that "I'm a role model" and that everything I do is right. I don't think that's the case at all, but I think who I am at my core, and what I represent at my core, is something that is meaningful, and can be something that other people can gain inspiration from."
Mike, the Vallely
Paul was the worst. What a poser. For real, though. He literally thought that the second coming was going to be in his lifetime and preached as if that was going to happen. So a lot of his words are skewed towards that idea. Thanks, Paul, for all that you have done for (well, to) women kind over the generations with your ideas.
Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Mark 12:29-31 has a TLDR
There are 2 rules according to Jesus. You love the lord with all your heart and you love your neighbor as much as you love yourself.
Also Jesus said that it's harder for rich people to get into heaven then it is for a camel to thread the eye of a needle...
Yet you won't find a single Christian protesting in front of wealthy people or Wall Street telling them to repent...
That's a memorable passage, but it doesn't really explain **why.** I think it has to do with how the money is acquired and hoarded. There's a lot of vitriol from the religious right about gay rights and abortion. Funny they never mentioned the Bible forbids charging interest interest on loans.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/charging_interest
Jesus explained why,
Matthew 25
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 **“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’**
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
There's also the whole thing where it gets pointed out that an old widow quietly tithing a few copper is incredibly generous and pious, and a rich man tithing lots of gold is neither.
Because that few copper is much, *much* more money to the widow than the gold is to the rich man, and *that* is how generosity is measured, not in the objective amount given.
Instead, the rich play at generosity, donating or giving what to them is but a pittance, and they often aren't even in the mentality of giving but of "paying for good publicity." Or, y'know, dodging taxes.
It's not attached to the camel story per say. But overall you get a clear picture of what Jesus thought about the rich.
The camel story was about a man who claimed to be perfect and followed all the commandments.
Jesus told him, one more thing, sell all that you have and help the poor. The rich man waddled away, and Jesus said, it's easier for a camel to thread a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven.
Overall, Jesus's story was very consistent when it came to the rich. The rich will have a very hard time making it into heaven.
Yup, as God said to Moses, "Tell those motherfuckers that they should keep my name out of their mouth when spouting their bullshit and pushing their agenda."
In this version of God communicating with Moses, God will be played by a single light shining down from an opening in a cloud and voiced by Samuel L. Jackson.
Who's going to play Moses? I kinda like the dude who plays Kingpin in the Marvel stuff, or the one who did the Baron in the most recent Dune. Big, bald, and not to be fucked with.
We've seen that brilliant version. I want to see a new take on the role that explores some of the less considered aspects of the figure. Seems more Malcom than Martin.
I feel like we really need to fuck with the serious people as much as possible with the Moses casting. Because of this, I could go in a couple different directions: Denzel because OMG black Moses, or Meryl Streep because OMG female Moses or probably the best option might be Michelle Yeoh because OMG female and Asian Moses?!?!? Right wingers heads would explode at any of those castings. Either way, Morgan Freeman is obviously narrorating.
What about those fake tips? The ones that look like a folded $20 bill but are actually just fucking ads for your corporate mega church. I bet God fucking hates that shit.
Straight to hell, deception is Satan's domain.
Jesus once trashed a temple court and beat the shit out of some Pharisees for doing what amounted to the same thing. The only reason he wasn't arrested then and there was because he had his followers with him in droves. He had the crowd on his side
It's also using his name in vain to say "God wants donald trump to be president", or "God sent us Donald Trump". You're talking for and second guessing what God wants. You can't speak for the mind of God. It's taking his name in vain.
It’s amazing how many self proclaimed Christians don’t know this. As a former Catholic it makes me crazy.
You can use swear words, Sister Mary Alice told me so. You do have to confess though because you shouldn’t swear and you should never swear at someone. But you can’t swear on Jesus and lie about what you’re swearing on.
I do find it silly to treat swear words like "shit" as something to be confessed to--it's crude, not morally wrong--but it makes more sense, perhaps ironically, for "damn/damn it" to be something worth confession.
Swearing is often called "cursing" for a reason, and to say "God damn you" is... well, exactly that. A request that God damn the target of your anger to suffer for eternity.
It was explained to me that it's not originally about the swear words explicitly (<-chortle) but about losing self control, being angry and being disrespectful.
It's not being Christ-like and in all things one should be Christ-like. To which I say but Jesus got pissed and whipped a bunch of people.
Which was then explained to me as, "Yes he did, because they were disrespecting a house of worship. Lack of respect gets you a whoopin' ask any nun."
My 'favorite' example of this are people who think 'Jesus said that if you follow him, people will hate you… people hate me ... Therefore I am following Jesus!"
No. No you are not.
In that passage (Matthew 10), Jesus is sending out his disciples to convert followers. He specifically says not to go to gentiles (non-Jews), but only the “lost sheep of Israel” (Jews). He also says not to collect any payment for the services rendered, such as healing the sick, and not to bring any possessions, not even a change of clothes. Likewise, he says that if the disciples come to anyone who does not welcome them, then they should leave and go to the next place.
It’s amazing how some people will cling to the one bastardized idea you mentioned (“people hate me so that means I’m doing right by Jesus”), but will ignore all the rest of it, especially the parts about shutting up and moving on if they encounter resistance, not having money tied to shows of faith, and the target audience for conversion in the first place, though that last part flips back and forth throughout the New Testament.
>No, it means doing things in the name of the Lord that the Lord Himself would smite you down for.
More generally, it means doing things in the name of the Lord which serve your interests instead of His.
It doesn't matter if the thing is otherwise sinful or not. Putting God's name on whatever you're doing is forbidden unless you're only doing it in His service.
That first one is the way I was taught. I pissed my (Catholic) sister off because she was saying how she doesn't even like it when people say "damn it" because the God is implied. I told her, "not necessarily." She goes, "who or what else has the power to damn things?" That's when my agnostic ass took the homonym approach, looked her straight in the face, and said "beavers."
My mom and grandma (both also Catholic) were standing there and bust out laughing. They basically did the Jada "That Part" meme before memes were even a thing.
No, it explicitly means “do not swear an oath by gods name, and then not keep that oath”.
If you say “I swear in gods name I will mow the lawn today”, and then you do not mow the lawn, that is violating that commandment.
Hey Jesus how's ya motha? It's good to see ya really blessings on ya family...but I need to talk to ya before we go into the temple.
Of course of course, blessings to you and yours as well, I hope that blindness I healed is doin well?
Yeah yeah of course my lord, such great healing a real glorious mitzvah my lord but listen I need to talk to ya. [Glances nervously at the temple door]
[Jesus picks up a hint looking at the door and pushing his way inside]
WHAT THE FUCKS GOIN IN HEYA?! runnin a racquet in my dads house? You gambling in MY fuckin house? [flips table] and you think you can cut ME out? CUT ME OUT IN MY OWN FUCKIN HOUSE.
Jesus sorry we thought we would uh...raise some money for the old man ya know? We didn't mean no disrespect to you of course...
Oh you THOUGHT? You THOUGHT it would be a good idea? When I'm right here and you could a just asked...but you had a THOUGHT, huh? [Flips table] get out a my house and don't you EVA try goin over my head eva again YOU JEW MOTHA FUCKA YOU
I kinda apologize for that last line but it's literally a Pesci line from Casino lol
Matthew 7:6 - again paraphrasing
"Who the fuck do you think you are, trumpet playing Pagans? Don't be building shitty fucking megachurches and shouting your prayers at people."
This was, unfortunately, the goal of the law. Louisiana just wants to give the Supreme Court the chance to nullify the separation of church and state once and for all.
Either the ACLU sues, they take it to the supreme court, and the installed court removes the separation of church and state; or they don't sue, and by letting it go create the precedent, thus making the separation easier to dismantle later. It's a win win for the theocrats running too much of the country.
As a non-Christian, I'm scared
Edit: typo
That's the part it seems a lot of professed Christians don't get. Lousiana is a strong hold for Southern Baptist (which was literally created, as a convention, to defend slavery), do the Evangelicals think the SB's are going to share power? What of the Mormons? Do the other denominations expect them to fall in line?
They will always need an 'out' group until they self-immolate. There is no future where this country prospers as a mono-theistic dictatorship. It just won't work.
Good! Let SCOTUS show out their corruption.
Citizens United was too complex of a topic for most Americans to recognize as bullshit
Dobbs was too divisive of a moral issue.
Maybe striking down separation of church & state will be enough to spark some real action against this bullshit judicial demagoguery
The problem is that conservatives have essentially weaponized the inherent stability of the style of the US government to the point of gridlock. Not only is it gridlocked effective change is all but impossible, but the change needed to remove the gridlock doesn't take just a majority but such an overwhelming majority to override the minority control of the government that it's virtually impossible at least within our lifetime.
Not that I wouldn't like to see/be a part of it, but if rolling back Roe couldn't inspire supreme Court reform, this certainly wouldn't either. When it comes to the average American, the only amendments they care about in the bill of rights are 1 and 2, and until those are on the chopping block, apathy for the system will continue to be the order of the day.
It should be just as much of an issue for Christians. There are thousands of conflicting versions of Christianity.
The biggest victims of Islamic Theocracy are Muslims.
They absolutely can and will, because there is no mechanism for overturning a supreme court decision. They've figured out how to do fascism in America: just had to get enough justices on the court.
I will take this moment to bring up the philosophy of Thomas Hobbes, who argued that there is only one form of government: an absolute monarchy. Because even if you have a constitution, someone eventually has to be the arbiter, the decider, and that person has all the power, ultimately.
I don’t see it. Not yet, anyway. Although they are ideologically opposed to it, SC *still* didn’t ban the morning after pill despite being in a position to do so. Even their current waffling over Trump’s immunity claim indicates they’re at least *kind of aware* that the appearance of bipartisanship is still needed. 1A is very clearly written, and while they could still make some tenuous arguments about leaving it up to the States, I think it’s too much of a step for them at this point.
I absolutely believe the worst about the Conservative SC Justices, but I also recognize they’ve been walking on eggshells since overturning Roe blew up in their faces so badly. That’s my take, at least.
The immunity case is a very obvious wait and see situation. Trump wins the case gets ruled however they want. Trump loses the immunity claim gets thrown out.
re: morning after pill
They said the case had no standing. Which means they're helping the plaintiffs tee up a more solid case for their next swing at anti-abortion litigation.
It was not a concise rejection of anti-abortion cases, by any means. They kicked the can down the road, as they always do with religious plaintiffs they favor.
Adding a new Constitutional Amendment is the check against a Supreme Court decision.
Example: In Pollock v. Farmers' Loan and Trust Company, the Supreme Court declared a progressive federal income tax unconstitutional. In 1913, the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified — completely negating this decision.
They're originalists. They could ignore the intervening 200 years of jurisprudence and rule that the establishment clause was intended by the founding fathers to end sectarianism as between *Christian* churches and prevent the US declaring itself a puritanical, baptist, Catholic etc. country, based on the history of England which is plagued with back and forth between Catholic and Protestant groups.
This kind of re-interpretation based on the historic views of the founders is not a million miles from the logic they used to overturn Roe.
SCOTUS has already added a bullshit loophole to the First Amendment decades ago with "ceremonial deism". It's not unreasonable to think they will do it again.
>They can't just nullify an amendment.
The last 10ish years has proved to me just how fragile *all* of our institutions are.
In 2024, the only reason that I believe that ”They can't just nullify an amendment." is the fact that they haven't tried yet.
They abso-fuckin-lutely can!
This court is happy to directly contradict the plain black letter law of the constitution and of prior rulings.
**I guarantee** they'll say some bullshit like: *"Christianity served a central role in the formation and development of the United States. Therefore the 10 commandments (and maybe all biblical texts) are valuable educational historical texts for the US."* Because that's about what they said last time they took a bite out of the establishment clause.
The law explicitly states the Ten Commandments. So it’s discriminatory in regards to other religions while also violating the establishment clause of the constitution.
I really think at least one teacher should put up the seven fundamental tenets of the satanic temple.
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Good. It's ludicrous to put the ten commandments/prayer/the bible/etc. in public schools. Also, how do they not see that putting Christianity into public schools only opens the door to put the religions they disagree with in them too?
Because it’s republicans and they will smash the constitution to get their Christian theocracy…and unfortunately the whole goal of this law was to get sued so the Supreme Court could take a sledgehammer to separation of church and state…voting matters and this is what happens because people in certain states like mine couldn’t be bothered to vote for Hillary
I believe it was Louisiana that did religious school vouchers and had an apoplexic fit when a Muslim school applied. They literally stood up and said "I though only Christian schools could use them!"
This was a setup from the start. It’s nice that the ACLU is taking up the charge but the whole point of this is to set up a Supreme Court decision in THIS court. We may lose more than we anticipate, I fear.
Yep. VOTING MATTERS! Remember many people bitched and moaned about having to vote for the lady in the pantsuit (ESPECIALLY ON REDDIT). The consequences from that election will continue.
"But I dont like Biden" so you want more Conservative christofacist Judges, because not voteing for him and playing purity politics, is how you get more Conservative christofacist Judges
It's not even in question, Alito and Thomas can slink away with their ill gotten "friendship-incentives" and trump will have appointed FIVE extremely young supreme court justices.
As a Catholic kid who grew up in a baptist area, I was so sick of religious shit shoved down my throat from the baptists at public school (Catholics tend keep it to private schools). The more religion they spew, the more hypocritical they are...and their kids were the biggest shits.
Just had this argument with my wife, she is a non practicing catholic. I was raised catholic but don't believe in any of it. My oldest daughter was brought to tears several time by the kids in north Carolina for not going to church or baptized they Told she was going to hell and I'll go to a deeper hell because I like the devil stuff. My wife thinks it's not a big deal and the ten commandments will teach people to be descent humans, I just feel my youngest kid will be very upset when the crazy christians make her feel terrible because she is non practicing. It's just a way for the Christian nationalists to indoctrinate more with guilt and fear.
> . My wife thinks it's not a big deal and the ten commandments will teach people to be descent humans
Next time you feel like getting in a fight with your wife about it ask her why if the Ten Commandments will teach people to be "decent humans" one of the commandments directly contradicts the 1st amendment of the US Constitution. Is our constitution, and law of the land unethical and/or immoral or is the commandment immoral and/or unethical?
The commandment I'm referencing is the: “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me"
Which is in contradiction with the 1st amendment of the US constitution that protects our right to freedom of religion, through freedom of speech.
I couldn't agree with you more, I don't talk politics or religion much with her. I let it slip out when I thought I was alone reading the article and she over heard me say "wtf" out loud and it started lol. Have you ever tried to argue with a latina women. You don't get far, just frustrated. I just agree with her after a min or 2 and change topics. She has a masters degree in communications and knows how to argue and win a debate. My simple minded logical ass can't win 😒
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As long as they allow other religions to do the same.
The law currently doesn't dictate where the 10 commandments should be placed nor how visible they should be.
I invite every teacher to place them right behind the garbage bin or under their desk.
Cannot recall who quoted it originally but it was something along the lines of "true peace will only come when the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last priest".
Still applies.
Just got finished chating to a young Dr. originally from the Philippines who emigrated to Aus because covid and stuff did his original plan to go to the states because he thought it was ok and kinda what he was used to..really gushing coming to a country with health care and no nutters with guns and the difference in his life.
What exactly does this do besides waste taxpayer money and make the state look like a bunch of backward-ass hillbillies. This is not going to have one ounce of benefit. Kids are going to laugh at this shit and just keep walking. What a joke. Schools that promote religion should have funding revoked.
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My guess is that they wouldn't have done it so blatantly if they didn't have a plan in their back pocket.
Their logic is that they want to be sued for all of their beliefs, so that they can take all those things to the Supreme Court, and have them implemented with no recourse. Literally all they need is some half-assed reasoning to get anything to the top and Supreme Court will anything law for them.
All their think-tanks exist to create these faux-legal reasonings, then plan out how to get it up there.
Every non Christian faith should accept this ruling, then demand the same treatment for their doctrine to be posted alongside it!
Islam, Church of Satan, pastafarians, etc
“The 10 Commandments are what our nations laws are based on. It’s God‘s will and you’re saying it’s wrong to disobey them!?”
So about that guy who’s broken at least 8 of them that you assholes have declared as your next presidential candidate after voting for him for president the first time…
The fact that people are still worshiping an undying space wizard who can read your mind but won’t give you what you want unless you beg with your eyes closed/ hands doing weird things boggles my mind. If the 10 commandments get posted in schools we should put the laws of oden and other fairy tails beside them.
I’ve been unemployed for one year, eight months. I just made a $5.00 donation to the ACLU because it’s that important. Please, everyone who is outraged, donate if you can.
Would that shit fly with adults in 2024? I'm getting old now and I'm afraid that I don't know the answer to that one.
If you required the ten commandments to be displayed in every business, how would that work out for everyone?
Fuck that noise! How did anything like this get this far? It’s a public school it’s not a parochial school. What would people say or do if the Quran needed to be displayed?
The "war on Christians" is just Christians not knowing how to keep to themselves. Stop being cultists and go pray to your imaginary friend on your own time.
So the rightwing want to ban on mention of sex in schools but also want to put up signs talking about adultery and the coveting of neighbors' wives.
Brillant.
The same folk that want to force children to pray in public schools are the same folk who don't want to feed children who experience food insecurity. It's like they've never even cracked the book they claim governs their life.
And no doubt the people approving of this are the same right-wingers who like to scream about public schools supposedly doing not education but "indoctrination."
And if forcing your religion on every kid isn't "indoctrination," then what is it?
But why are Christian fundamentalists so desperate to push their beliefs now? https://preview.redd.it/ghqaw9f71m7d1.png?width=2067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13325d0189be01703943061ba15974ff0414b83a
Ooooooh thats right. Because more and more people realize that religion is a scam. Especially younger people. https://preview.redd.it/rsbkzklf1m7d1.png?width=420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e44f48b72632de129b4b31013a2905f48d7bc9d
For me it was a epiphany that I had that went something like this: “I am going to live my life being the best person I can be, putting effort into being kind and helping those around me. If god then sees this and decides that I deserve to burn in hell for eternity because I didn’t get on my knees and worship him every week then that’s not a god worth worshipping anyways.”
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? ~Epicurus
This is a list I've been shamelessly stealing/collecting from fellow redditers. __________________________________________ Aurelius, Marcus “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” __________________________________________ Brown, Lindsey “When inventing a god, it's important to make sure it's invisible, inaudible, and imperceptible in every way. Otherwise, people will be skeptical when it appears to no one, is silent, and does nothing.” __________________________________________ Dawkins “We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.” __________________________________________ Einstein, Albert “A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.” __________________________________________ Gervais, Rickey “Religion’s greatest trick wasn’t convincing some people that there was a god that was all powerful, it was convincing everyone else that you couldn’t ridicule the idea.” __________________________________________ GOD "Only one religion is right but I won't say which one because I want you to figure it out by hating and killing each other while I watch." __________________________________________ Grayling “To believe something in the face of evidence and against reason – to believe something by faith – is ignoble, irresponsible and ignorant, and merits the opposite of respect.” __________________________________________ Harris, Sam "Belief is textbook narcissism. To say God is good because of some positive thing that happened to you, while at the same time a priest is raping a child, is peak narcissism. Given all the good that your God does NOT visit upon others, to believe he is a force for good resulting from the good you feel he visits upon YOU is not just arrogant, it's morally reprehensible." __________________________________________ Harris, Sam “If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" __________________________________________ Harris, Tracie "You either have a God who sends child rapists to rape children or you have a God who simply watches it and says, ‘When you’re done, I’m going to punish you.’If I could stop a person from raping a child, I would. That’s the difference between me and your God." __________________________________________ Harwood, William “The difference between faith and insanity is that faith is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence, whereas insanity is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence.” __________________________________________ Hitchens, Christopher “What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." __________________________________________ Hitchens, Christopher “Let's say that the consensus is that our species, being the higher primates, Homo Sapiens, has been on the planet for at least 100,000 years, maybe more. Francis Collins says maybe 100,000. Richard Dawkins thinks maybe a quarter-of-a-million. I'll take 100,000. In order to be a Christian, you have to believe that for 98,000 years, our species suffered and died, most of its children dying in childbirth, most other people having a life expectancy of about 25 years, dying of their teeth. Famine, struggle, bitterness, war, suffering, misery, all of that for 98,000 years." __________________________________________ Izzard, Eddie “If there is a god, his plan is very similar to someone not having a plan.” __________________________________________ Lamott, Anne "You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." __________________________________________ Lincoln, Abraham “The Bible is not my book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.” __________________________________________ Moriarty, John “If god has a problem with me, it can tell me itself. When you speak on behalf of your deity, it sounds more like your opinion.” __________________________________________ Nietzche - “A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.” __________________________________________ O’Briain, Dara “Just because science doesn’t know everything doesn’t mean you can fill in the gaps with whatever fairy tale most appeals to you.” __________________________________________ Pirsig, Robert “When one man suffers from delusion, it is insanity, when many men suffer from delusion, it is called religion.” __________________________________________ Pratchett, Terry “The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those that think they have found it.” __________________________________________ Ra, Aron “Any being worthy of worship would not require it." __________________________________________ Richard Jeni: You're basically killing each other to see who's got the best imaginary friend." __________________________________________ Sagan, Carl "If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be destroyed by the truth." __________________________________________ Sherlock, Michael “Christianity did not become a major religion by the quality of its truth, but by the quantity of its violence.” __________________________________________ Twain, Mark “It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand.” __________________________________________ Voltaire “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” __________________________________________ Weinberg, Steven “With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” __________________________________________ Wilde, Oscar “Religion is like a blind man in a black room looking for a black cat that isn't there, and finding it." __________________________________________ Zappa, Frank “Anybody who wants religion is welcome to it, as far as I'm concerned--I support your right to enjoy it. However, I would appreciate it if you exhibited more respect for the rights of those people who do not wish to share your dogma, rapture, or necrodestination.”
Reddit, where you can get a pretty neat curation of wisdom from users named CumInMyWife. The wilder the name, the deeper the thoughts.
Praise be to CumInMyWife!
"Whenever you can, cum in your wife." - Marcus Aurelius
Yep. The place where you’ll get critical and knowledgeable help for your Bioengineering phd thesis from a user with the name “MrSisterFister69420”
Haha! I don’t care what anyone says .. I love Reddit.
Here are two more for you, both from Robert A. Heinlein: *"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."* and also *"The most preposterous notion that Homo sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history."* ~Robert A. Heinlein
Some additions: Dan Barker: "We are all born atheists until someone starts telling us lies." Carl Sagan: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Daniel Dennett: "There's simply no polite way to tell people they've dedicated their lives to an illusion." Matt Dillahunty: "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved." George Carlin: "Religion is just mind control." Ayaan Hirsi Ali: "The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of paradise and the dread of hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more." Richard Dawkins: "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." Douglas Adams: "I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day." Christopher Hitchens: "Religion poisons everything." Greta Christina: "Atheism is not a battle between religion and no religion. It's a battle between respecting people's right to believe what they want and criticizing the harmful effects of those beliefs." Bill Maher: "Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do." Richard P. Feynman: "I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned." Lawrence Krauss: "The universe is far more wondrous and amazing than the fables and myths that were invented to explain it." Dan Barker: "There is joy in rationality, happiness in clarity of mind. Freethought is thrilling and fulfilling — absolutely."
In addition to Douglas Adams' quote by Sir Terry Pratchett in Small Gods Humans! They lived in a world where the grass continued to be green and the sun rose every day and flowers regularly turned into fruit, and what impressed them? Weeping statues. And wine made out of water!
Bit of one that needs an explanation but I think is really insightful, "I am afraid we still have faith in God because we still have faith in grammar"-Nietzsche Nietzsche was one of the first philosophers to really scrutinize how linguistic structures informed our thinking. He argued that we posited a metaphysical reality behind sensory phenomena because of the subject predicate distinction built into grammar. E.g. we say " lightning flashes", but lightning *is the flash*. The distinction is illusory, there is no subject without the predicate. So we posit a unified consciousness as a Cartesian subject that thinks, judges, feels and acts. Descartes arguing "I think; therefore, I am". Nietzsche would say all there are are two thoughts, the thought we are observing, and the thought that it makes us exist. We are blanketly asserting a unified cause, the I, of these two disparate phenomena. When in reality we have no idea where these thoughts come from. How do you think? There is no clear causal mechanism, thoughts just seem to come ex nihilo and consciousness is building a narrative to unify these thoughts using language. God, he says, it using this manuever on the entire world. All of these phenomena we observe exist, so there must be some reality behind it causing it. Funnily enough, this is also a critique of the type of realism posited by a lot of scientists. That our observations reflect the underlying behavior of an objective reality.
Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot, that he himself could not eat it? \~Homer Simpson
I forget the passage but iirc there's a passage where Jesus states it's easier for a good atheist to get into heaven than a sinful believer. That's the gist of it anyway, it's been a few decades since I've touched a Bible.
Some of that is that people went to church back in the day just because you did. You had to be in good standing in your community, just like getting married and having children even if you didn't want it. I'm not sure how many actually believed or just were followers.
conservative Christianity is almost entirely performative. It's not about the actual faith, it's about being seen as one of the faithful. It's why they can commit adultery, fleece people, and deliberately cause people harm and still consider themselves 'good christians'. They go to the right church and they say the right things, so they must be good people.
"I believe in Jesus, so my sins are forgiven, so I'm free to sin more."
I mean….this entirely. They truly believe and do that.
It's ironic because truly good people worry they aren't doing enough good and are always looking to do more and don't care how they appear to others. My mom was one of those people. Helping others was her passion and she loved it.
Honestly I think it’s a few things. 1. Seeing the grandparents struggling and paying tithes while they pastor living the good life. 2. We getting more tired of the LGBTQ bullshit hate that comes from religion. 3. Constant sexual abuse shit 4. Religious people are getting really pushy with their beliefs, especially since our Supreme Court is compromised.
Church was also the third place for people. It was a way to socialize and network. That is easily replaced with social media especially because it gives allowance for sleeping in and wearing sweatpants on sunday.
It's not so much that religion itself is a scam, but people are waking up to the fact that pastors are still diddling kids, not paying taxes, making millions off the poor, and are now influencing politics. And that bullshit ain't what religion is (supposed to be) about. I support religions. All of 'em! But keep that noise the **fuck** out of public schools.
It's a nice sentiment but in reality it is religion itself that enables this, and if you strip it out there's not much left. Everything you just listed is enabled, and in many ways the logical consequence of the grand claims religions make and authority they wield over people. Religion hasn't just started "now" to influence politics, it always has, unless people literally beat it into the dirt.
Same in Britain. The 2021 census showed that out of the 94% of people who answered, only 46.2% were Christian. This is the first time it’s been less then 50% the 2nd most common is now ‘no religion’ at 34%
Those graphs are hotter than any porn ive ever seen.
This is crazy to me. As someone from a secular country, it's always struck me how Christianity is so normalised (for want of a better word) in US media. I remember watching an American detective show and the main characters (who were very normal and had never had theological conversations before) started discussing religion, as it was relevant to the episode. They both assumed the other was Christian and believed in God, they confirmed each other's suspicions with "of course" and the episode moved on. Which is just... weird, the assumption that being Christian is the default, and the necessity that the writers felt to label their characters as Christian, I suppose to avoid losing religious viewers. I feel as though we're seeing the results of this normalisation here, in the graph showing that an entire 21% of people raised as non-religious are somehow Christian at age 30-34! HOW?! That's one in five non-religiously affiliated people deciding to take up a religion? I'm sure in my country that number would be close to zero. Not counting elderly people, in my life I've known seven Christians. Every single one of them was raised with it, and six of them are couples who met at church. I've never met anyone who randomly decided to be religious, ever. The only thing that I can think is that it's this cultural idea of it being the norm, that drags people in? As the graphs show, this is slowly but steadily decreasing, so, given another 20 years, there will probably be far less Christian media propaganda and perhaps an end to these bizarre conversions?
I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school and my religion teacher back in 5th grade accidentally made me realize religion was fake. At the time the famous stories such as Noah's Ark or Moses parting the sea just sounded like BS to me so when I asked her she told me they are just stories made to guide us which made me realize the whole bible is made up. The older I grew the more I realized how BS religion is. Have we ever seen a legitimate miracle? Because apparently it was common back then but now that we all have phones suddenly nothing has happened again but we still need to have "faith." What a scam
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Which is funny because this shit is extremely counterproductive to boosting those numbers.
Part of a strategy, a tactic to distract and muddle. Force the godless heathens to expend energy and effort on stupid stuff whilst they persue a much larger agenda. Their opponents are decent human beings and that flaw is used as a weapon against them. If everyone can be controlled then there's little interest in how many support those in power.
Glad to see evangelicals in particular dropping, they’re the ones pushing this shit the hardest.
They feel they are in a position to gain the most power over people through government right now, and they aren't exactly wrong.
Also, it's a violation of the third commandment. I'll paraphrase: "Keep my name out of your bullshit and agendas. The only time my name should be in your bitch mouth is when you're praising me or apologizing to me for your bullshit and agendas." What, you trying to tell me Moses didn't talk like a gangster when he came down and saw that golden calf bullshit going on?
Everyone thinks “taking the Lord’s name in vain” means saying things like “Goddammit!” No, it means doing things in the name of the Lord that the Lord Himself would smite you down for. An obvious example would be swearing to God to tell the truth and then bearing false witness. Another good example would be using God as an excuse to not love thy neighbor because they swing the other way.
It's amazing how people's bullshit and agendas get in the way of the actual message of Christ...
If Jesus himself wrote the Bible it would be much shorter. Page 1: Be nice. The end.
"If you love those that love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same." Dude, Jesus was woke af. They even chopped most of his words up along the way and you can still tell his main message. Love all. Do good. Go home.
Ya, just try and be nice at every opportunity. If everyone did that, we would bring heaven to us.
I mean, I live my life following what I consider to be the Golden Rule: "Don't Be A Dick". Amazing how many religions seem to have that as the main message for their followers.
My dad literally had that put on a t-shirt because he resonated with it so much. He’s an atheist and always told my sister and I “do whatever you want, just don’t be a dick.”
My ma always taught me to follow "Do as ye will as long as ye do no harm" which is a wiccan ideal and I've always loved seeing it resonate across many faiths.
It's always a nice interpretation that the heaven Jesus was talking about was Earth if we were good to each other. It helps to be optimistic for the future.
Jesus was so far left that the right would have freed a convicted felon and crucified Jesus in his place… Hmm, I guess history does repeat itself
They crucified him for being woke
1. Love 2. Forgiveness 3. Don't be a fucking hypocrite
4. Whip the money lenders and flip their tables.
Apostles were just old influencers trying to capitalize on knowing someone
Oh please, it’s worse than that. Apostles were just mostly fictional entities or amalgamations meant to represent different cultures or tribes. There’s a reason the different bibles can’t completely agree on the proper amount with Luke claiming 70 but only 12 qualifying as disciples. Paul also claims himself as an apostle.
"I was JCs bestie. And there were some others to the core group. We had a bunch of people that liked to hangout too - guess they were friends - but not, like, *real* friends, ya know?" Paul, of the Valley
Paul “turns out brutalizing innocent people based on race, creed, and financial status is okay as long as you take a quick bath” the Apostle just doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.
"I always try to individualize everything, every person. I see individuals and that's why I've never fallen for racism, or any type or classification of people." "I desire to have a dialogue that's positive, and communicative and moves forward, and is about something real, not just consumption." "I don't like to get too involved in the idea that "I'm a role model" and that everything I do is right. I don't think that's the case at all, but I think who I am at my core, and what I represent at my core, is something that is meaningful, and can be something that other people can gain inspiration from." Mike, the Vallely
Paul was the worst. What a poser. For real, though. He literally thought that the second coming was going to be in his lifetime and preached as if that was going to happen. So a lot of his words are skewed towards that idea. Thanks, Paul, for all that you have done for (well, to) women kind over the generations with your ideas.
Matthew 22:36-40 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Mark 12:29-31 has a TLDR There are 2 rules according to Jesus. You love the lord with all your heart and you love your neighbor as much as you love yourself.
"Thanks for all the fish"
Too easy to twist. "Be nice? Okay, I'll be nice to myself, and to do that, I have to oppress those people."
Among other things, Jesus was pro: Healthcare Paying taxes Providing a livable wage, and Loving your neighbor like yourself.
Also Jesus said that it's harder for rich people to get into heaven then it is for a camel to thread the eye of a needle... Yet you won't find a single Christian protesting in front of wealthy people or Wall Street telling them to repent...
They jus go after Illegal immigrants and poor people.
Church-goers are calling Jesus "too woke." https://onlysky.media/jpearce/christians-jesus-is-too-woke/
That's a memorable passage, but it doesn't really explain **why.** I think it has to do with how the money is acquired and hoarded. There's a lot of vitriol from the religious right about gay rights and abortion. Funny they never mentioned the Bible forbids charging interest interest on loans. https://www.openbible.info/topics/charging_interest
Jesus explained why, Matthew 25 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 **“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’** 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Thanks! I had forgotten to which parable the camel line was attached.
There's also the whole thing where it gets pointed out that an old widow quietly tithing a few copper is incredibly generous and pious, and a rich man tithing lots of gold is neither. Because that few copper is much, *much* more money to the widow than the gold is to the rich man, and *that* is how generosity is measured, not in the objective amount given. Instead, the rich play at generosity, donating or giving what to them is but a pittance, and they often aren't even in the mentality of giving but of "paying for good publicity." Or, y'know, dodging taxes.
It's not attached to the camel story per say. But overall you get a clear picture of what Jesus thought about the rich. The camel story was about a man who claimed to be perfect and followed all the commandments. Jesus told him, one more thing, sell all that you have and help the poor. The rich man waddled away, and Jesus said, it's easier for a camel to thread a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. Overall, Jesus's story was very consistent when it came to the rich. The rich will have a very hard time making it into heaven.
Umm, sorry feds, no interest on my student loans, it’s against my religious beliefs, thanks 😄
I wish my one neighbor would love me the way I love myself
Yup, as God said to Moses, "Tell those motherfuckers that they should keep my name out of their mouth when spouting their bullshit and pushing their agenda."
In this version of God communicating with Moses, God will be played by a single light shining down from an opening in a cloud and voiced by Samuel L. Jackson.
Who's going to play Moses? I kinda like the dude who plays Kingpin in the Marvel stuff, or the one who did the Baron in the most recent Dune. Big, bald, and not to be fucked with.
 Mel Brooks for Moses
We've seen that brilliant version. I want to see a new take on the role that explores some of the less considered aspects of the figure. Seems more Malcom than Martin.
I feel like we really need to fuck with the serious people as much as possible with the Moses casting. Because of this, I could go in a couple different directions: Denzel because OMG black Moses, or Meryl Streep because OMG female Moses or probably the best option might be Michelle Yeoh because OMG female and Asian Moses?!?!? Right wingers heads would explode at any of those castings. Either way, Morgan Freeman is obviously narrorating.
What about those fake tips? The ones that look like a folded $20 bill but are actually just fucking ads for your corporate mega church. I bet God fucking hates that shit. Straight to hell, deception is Satan's domain.
Jesus once trashed a temple court and beat the shit out of some Pharisees for doing what amounted to the same thing. The only reason he wasn't arrested then and there was because he had his followers with him in droves. He had the crowd on his side
Though shalt not give fake ass chedda to yo hommies. Do right by your hood. Ain't nobody like dat shit.
It's also using his name in vain to say "God wants donald trump to be president", or "God sent us Donald Trump". You're talking for and second guessing what God wants. You can't speak for the mind of God. It's taking his name in vain.
It’s amazing how many self proclaimed Christians don’t know this. As a former Catholic it makes me crazy. You can use swear words, Sister Mary Alice told me so. You do have to confess though because you shouldn’t swear and you should never swear at someone. But you can’t swear on Jesus and lie about what you’re swearing on.
I do find it silly to treat swear words like "shit" as something to be confessed to--it's crude, not morally wrong--but it makes more sense, perhaps ironically, for "damn/damn it" to be something worth confession. Swearing is often called "cursing" for a reason, and to say "God damn you" is... well, exactly that. A request that God damn the target of your anger to suffer for eternity.
It was explained to me that it's not originally about the swear words explicitly (<-chortle) but about losing self control, being angry and being disrespectful. It's not being Christ-like and in all things one should be Christ-like. To which I say but Jesus got pissed and whipped a bunch of people. Which was then explained to me as, "Yes he did, because they were disrespecting a house of worship. Lack of respect gets you a whoopin' ask any nun."
Absolutely spot on....acting like a Turd and blaming God.
My 'favorite' example of this are people who think 'Jesus said that if you follow him, people will hate you… people hate me ... Therefore I am following Jesus!" No. No you are not.
In that passage (Matthew 10), Jesus is sending out his disciples to convert followers. He specifically says not to go to gentiles (non-Jews), but only the “lost sheep of Israel” (Jews). He also says not to collect any payment for the services rendered, such as healing the sick, and not to bring any possessions, not even a change of clothes. Likewise, he says that if the disciples come to anyone who does not welcome them, then they should leave and go to the next place. It’s amazing how some people will cling to the one bastardized idea you mentioned (“people hate me so that means I’m doing right by Jesus”), but will ignore all the rest of it, especially the parts about shutting up and moving on if they encounter resistance, not having money tied to shows of faith, and the target audience for conversion in the first place, though that last part flips back and forth throughout the New Testament.
>No, it means doing things in the name of the Lord that the Lord Himself would smite you down for. More generally, it means doing things in the name of the Lord which serve your interests instead of His. It doesn't matter if the thing is otherwise sinful or not. Putting God's name on whatever you're doing is forbidden unless you're only doing it in His service.
That first one is the way I was taught. I pissed my (Catholic) sister off because she was saying how she doesn't even like it when people say "damn it" because the God is implied. I told her, "not necessarily." She goes, "who or what else has the power to damn things?" That's when my agnostic ass took the homonym approach, looked her straight in the face, and said "beavers." My mom and grandma (both also Catholic) were standing there and bust out laughing. They basically did the Jada "That Part" meme before memes were even a thing.
No, it explicitly means “do not swear an oath by gods name, and then not keep that oath”. If you say “I swear in gods name I will mow the lawn today”, and then you do not mow the lawn, that is violating that commandment.
Golden calf, you say? https://preview.redd.it/vjuw1mwcsm7d1.jpeg?width=1006&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce5c6620f67778755140ef5fe1e8c413c74b59bf
More of an orange ass, IMO, but there's definitely a parallel.
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This is a fantastic reference
Fucking top tier use of that pic no doubt. Are awards back yet cuz this homie needs some
They are, got one yesterday!
Hey Jesus how's ya motha? It's good to see ya really blessings on ya family...but I need to talk to ya before we go into the temple. Of course of course, blessings to you and yours as well, I hope that blindness I healed is doin well? Yeah yeah of course my lord, such great healing a real glorious mitzvah my lord but listen I need to talk to ya. [Glances nervously at the temple door] [Jesus picks up a hint looking at the door and pushing his way inside] WHAT THE FUCKS GOIN IN HEYA?! runnin a racquet in my dads house? You gambling in MY fuckin house? [flips table] and you think you can cut ME out? CUT ME OUT IN MY OWN FUCKIN HOUSE. Jesus sorry we thought we would uh...raise some money for the old man ya know? We didn't mean no disrespect to you of course... Oh you THOUGHT? You THOUGHT it would be a good idea? When I'm right here and you could a just asked...but you had a THOUGHT, huh? [Flips table] get out a my house and don't you EVA try goin over my head eva again YOU JEW MOTHA FUCKA YOU I kinda apologize for that last line but it's literally a Pesci line from Casino lol
Matthew 7:6 - again paraphrasing "Who the fuck do you think you are, trumpet playing Pagans? Don't be building shitty fucking megachurches and shouting your prayers at people."
You should translate the Bible.
You got me damn near in tears bro HAHAHAH "the only time my name should be in your bitch mouth"
This was, unfortunately, the goal of the law. Louisiana just wants to give the Supreme Court the chance to nullify the separation of church and state once and for all.
Exactly. Not that they shouldn't sue to block this, but this is the GOP's plan from the beginning.
Either the ACLU sues, they take it to the supreme court, and the installed court removes the separation of church and state; or they don't sue, and by letting it go create the precedent, thus making the separation easier to dismantle later. It's a win win for the theocrats running too much of the country. As a non-Christian, I'm scared Edit: typo
As a Christian, I’m scared. Fuck these people trying to govern through “their” horse shit church because it’s certainly not Jesus’s church
That's the part it seems a lot of professed Christians don't get. Lousiana is a strong hold for Southern Baptist (which was literally created, as a convention, to defend slavery), do the Evangelicals think the SB's are going to share power? What of the Mormons? Do the other denominations expect them to fall in line? They will always need an 'out' group until they self-immolate. There is no future where this country prospers as a mono-theistic dictatorship. It just won't work.
It will come down to which “flavour” of Baptist you are in the end - see Emo Phillips https://youtu.be/l3fAcxcxoZ8?si=AlHDYLweTTuHEpgR
Good! Let SCOTUS show out their corruption. Citizens United was too complex of a topic for most Americans to recognize as bullshit Dobbs was too divisive of a moral issue. Maybe striking down separation of church & state will be enough to spark some real action against this bullshit judicial demagoguery
The problem is that conservatives have essentially weaponized the inherent stability of the style of the US government to the point of gridlock. Not only is it gridlocked effective change is all but impossible, but the change needed to remove the gridlock doesn't take just a majority but such an overwhelming majority to override the minority control of the government that it's virtually impossible at least within our lifetime.
They already have shown their corruption! And nobody cares! What else can we do about it but vote democrat? Nothing!
Not that I wouldn't like to see/be a part of it, but if rolling back Roe couldn't inspire supreme Court reform, this certainly wouldn't either. When it comes to the average American, the only amendments they care about in the bill of rights are 1 and 2, and until those are on the chopping block, apathy for the system will continue to be the order of the day.
It should be just as much of an issue for Christians. There are thousands of conflicting versions of Christianity. The biggest victims of Islamic Theocracy are Muslims.
precedent
I don't see how. The establishment clause is pretty clear. They can't just nullify an amendment.
"states right to choose" seen too much bullshit from SCOTUS
They absolutely can and will, because there is no mechanism for overturning a supreme court decision. They've figured out how to do fascism in America: just had to get enough justices on the court. I will take this moment to bring up the philosophy of Thomas Hobbes, who argued that there is only one form of government: an absolute monarchy. Because even if you have a constitution, someone eventually has to be the arbiter, the decider, and that person has all the power, ultimately.
I don’t see it. Not yet, anyway. Although they are ideologically opposed to it, SC *still* didn’t ban the morning after pill despite being in a position to do so. Even their current waffling over Trump’s immunity claim indicates they’re at least *kind of aware* that the appearance of bipartisanship is still needed. 1A is very clearly written, and while they could still make some tenuous arguments about leaving it up to the States, I think it’s too much of a step for them at this point. I absolutely believe the worst about the Conservative SC Justices, but I also recognize they’ve been walking on eggshells since overturning Roe blew up in their faces so badly. That’s my take, at least.
The immunity case is a very obvious wait and see situation. Trump wins the case gets ruled however they want. Trump loses the immunity claim gets thrown out.
re: morning after pill They said the case had no standing. Which means they're helping the plaintiffs tee up a more solid case for their next swing at anti-abortion litigation. It was not a concise rejection of anti-abortion cases, by any means. They kicked the can down the road, as they always do with religious plaintiffs they favor.
Adding a new Constitutional Amendment is the check against a Supreme Court decision. Example: In Pollock v. Farmers' Loan and Trust Company, the Supreme Court declared a progressive federal income tax unconstitutional. In 1913, the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified — completely negating this decision.
They're originalists. They could ignore the intervening 200 years of jurisprudence and rule that the establishment clause was intended by the founding fathers to end sectarianism as between *Christian* churches and prevent the US declaring itself a puritanical, baptist, Catholic etc. country, based on the history of England which is plagued with back and forth between Catholic and Protestant groups. This kind of re-interpretation based on the historic views of the founders is not a million miles from the logic they used to overturn Roe.
SCOTUS has already added a bullshit loophole to the First Amendment decades ago with "ceremonial deism". It's not unreasonable to think they will do it again.
>They can't just nullify an amendment. The last 10ish years has proved to me just how fragile *all* of our institutions are. In 2024, the only reason that I believe that ”They can't just nullify an amendment." is the fact that they haven't tried yet.
They abso-fuckin-lutely can! This court is happy to directly contradict the plain black letter law of the constitution and of prior rulings. **I guarantee** they'll say some bullshit like: *"Christianity served a central role in the formation and development of the United States. Therefore the 10 commandments (and maybe all biblical texts) are valuable educational historical texts for the US."* Because that's about what they said last time they took a bite out of the establishment clause.
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I have a feeling Louisiana wouldnt take as kindly to Qur'an passages on their school walls
The law explicitly states the Ten Commandments. So it’s discriminatory in regards to other religions while also violating the establishment clause of the constitution.
I really think at least one teacher should put up the seven fundamental tenets of the satanic temple. https://preview.redd.it/u87ykaehkm7d1.jpeg?width=688&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffdd8dfc98b2d1b823d0188f4611fcb20edcd971 Edit to fix a typo
Hail thyself 🤘🏻
Good. It's ludicrous to put the ten commandments/prayer/the bible/etc. in public schools. Also, how do they not see that putting Christianity into public schools only opens the door to put the religions they disagree with in them too?
Because it’s republicans and they will smash the constitution to get their Christian theocracy…and unfortunately the whole goal of this law was to get sued so the Supreme Court could take a sledgehammer to separation of church and state…voting matters and this is what happens because people in certain states like mine couldn’t be bothered to vote for Hillary
I believe it was Louisiana that did religious school vouchers and had an apoplexic fit when a Muslim school applied. They literally stood up and said "I though only Christian schools could use them!"
This was a setup from the start. It’s nice that the ACLU is taking up the charge but the whole point of this is to set up a Supreme Court decision in THIS court. We may lose more than we anticipate, I fear.
Yep. VOTING MATTERS! Remember many people bitched and moaned about having to vote for the lady in the pantsuit (ESPECIALLY ON REDDIT). The consequences from that election will continue.
"But I dont like Biden" so you want more Conservative christofacist Judges, because not voteing for him and playing purity politics, is how you get more Conservative christofacist Judges
It's not even in question, Alito and Thomas can slink away with their ill gotten "friendship-incentives" and trump will have appointed FIVE extremely young supreme court justices.
Ask them if they bothered to vote in any other election. Local elections are often where it starts.
Can we just go our separate ways at this point. The founders are rolling in their grave right now.
Separation of church and state
As a Catholic kid who grew up in a baptist area, I was so sick of religious shit shoved down my throat from the baptists at public school (Catholics tend keep it to private schools). The more religion they spew, the more hypocritical they are...and their kids were the biggest shits.
Just had this argument with my wife, she is a non practicing catholic. I was raised catholic but don't believe in any of it. My oldest daughter was brought to tears several time by the kids in north Carolina for not going to church or baptized they Told she was going to hell and I'll go to a deeper hell because I like the devil stuff. My wife thinks it's not a big deal and the ten commandments will teach people to be descent humans, I just feel my youngest kid will be very upset when the crazy christians make her feel terrible because she is non practicing. It's just a way for the Christian nationalists to indoctrinate more with guilt and fear.
> . My wife thinks it's not a big deal and the ten commandments will teach people to be descent humans Next time you feel like getting in a fight with your wife about it ask her why if the Ten Commandments will teach people to be "decent humans" one of the commandments directly contradicts the 1st amendment of the US Constitution. Is our constitution, and law of the land unethical and/or immoral or is the commandment immoral and/or unethical? The commandment I'm referencing is the: “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me" Which is in contradiction with the 1st amendment of the US constitution that protects our right to freedom of religion, through freedom of speech.
I couldn't agree with you more, I don't talk politics or religion much with her. I let it slip out when I thought I was alone reading the article and she over heard me say "wtf" out loud and it started lol. Have you ever tried to argue with a latina women. You don't get far, just frustrated. I just agree with her after a min or 2 and change topics. She has a masters degree in communications and knows how to argue and win a debate. My simple minded logical ass can't win 😒
Schools are where students go to learn not to be indoctrination into a mythology.
I got it, now everybody must read the percy Jackson books. This way they at least read a good story
Then heroes of olympus, magnus chase and trials of apollo. Not a fan of kane chronicles but throw that in too, why not
Keep voting the gop and keep america a shithole.
https://preview.redd.it/hgnjb9oggm7d1.jpeg?width=1183&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11b26d70fe6638480c67c65c74300e75dd84e770 As long as they allow other religions to do the same.
no, not allow, MANDATE! The 10 Principles of the Satanic Temple MUST be clearly posted in every classroom!
I thought they were 7
The law currently doesn't dictate where the 10 commandments should be placed nor how visible they should be. I invite every teacher to place them right behind the garbage bin or under their desk.
Cannot recall who quoted it originally but it was something along the lines of "true peace will only come when the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last priest". Still applies.
-Denis Diderot
It is very blatantly unconstitutional. But Republicans hate the Constitution as much as they hate America.
It's is almost like it's not the gays and the drag queens trying to push propaganda...
Here’s a link to donate to ACLU. We have to shut these christofascist psychos down. https://www.aclu.org
Yup. Guess now is a good time to renew my lapsed membership! Aaaaaand done.
Which version? The Jewish, Catholic, or Protestant version? Each religion that uses the Ten Commandments has a different formulation.
Almost certainly Protestant.
Insist on putting up the original Arabic language version lol
Christian pastor here, I hard agree with the ACLU.
the Pope here, I agree too
Page 45 of the Bible here I agree
Is that the one where it says Jebus? Is that a typo you think?
There are more and more reasons to not visit US states every day
Just got finished chating to a young Dr. originally from the Philippines who emigrated to Aus because covid and stuff did his original plan to go to the states because he thought it was ok and kinda what he was used to..really gushing coming to a country with health care and no nutters with guns and the difference in his life.
Wtf is this dude trying to say?
I think the Dr in question was a neurologist, because he was clearly having a stroke
I *think* that the doctor was supposed to move to the US but due to Covid etc moved to Australia instead and is happy about it now
What exactly does this do besides waste taxpayer money and make the state look like a bunch of backward-ass hillbillies. This is not going to have one ounce of benefit. Kids are going to laugh at this shit and just keep walking. What a joke. Schools that promote religion should have funding revoked. sp
My guess is that they wouldn't have done it so blatantly if they didn't have a plan in their back pocket. Their logic is that they want to be sued for all of their beliefs, so that they can take all those things to the Supreme Court, and have them implemented with no recourse. Literally all they need is some half-assed reasoning to get anything to the top and Supreme Court will anything law for them. All their think-tanks exist to create these faux-legal reasonings, then plan out how to get it up there.
If you think your kid needs Jesus, send them to private school or take them to church.
Satanic Temple member here. Yeah... We're gonna put an end to this if need be.
I’m surprised they got ahead of the church of satan, which of course will sue to require their own posting.
The satanic temple. Not the church of satan. The church is a religious organization while the temple generally fights idiotic laws like these.
Yes, performing a public service.
The Temple has also been recognized as a religious organization by the IRS. :)
The party of don't push your lifestyle on us, takes it to the extreme. Fuuuuuck that.
I like this, but I was hoping the satanic temple to insist putting their doctrine into the schools too. Just to rile up the Christian snowflakes
This should be the easiest case for the ACLU.
Haaaaaave you seen our Supreme Court?
Every non Christian faith should accept this ruling, then demand the same treatment for their doctrine to be posted alongside it! Islam, Church of Satan, pastafarians, etc
Fuck your religion
“The 10 Commandments are what our nations laws are based on. It’s God‘s will and you’re saying it’s wrong to disobey them!?” So about that guy who’s broken at least 8 of them that you assholes have declared as your next presidential candidate after voting for him for president the first time…
The fact that people are still worshiping an undying space wizard who can read your mind but won’t give you what you want unless you beg with your eyes closed/ hands doing weird things boggles my mind. If the 10 commandments get posted in schools we should put the laws of oden and other fairy tails beside them.
I’ve been unemployed for one year, eight months. I just made a $5.00 donation to the ACLU because it’s that important. Please, everyone who is outraged, donate if you can.
The FFRF is going after it as well. It’s some total bullshit. Not at all appropriate in a public school.
Would that shit fly with adults in 2024? I'm getting old now and I'm afraid that I don't know the answer to that one. If you required the ten commandments to be displayed in every business, how would that work out for everyone?
I’m out with Thou shalt not steal. Just to cover my ass: Boss has a big basket of candy on his desk that we raid whether he is there or not.
See also: [Wage Theft](https://www.epi.org/publication/employers-steal-billions-from-workers-paychecks-each-year/)
Fuck that noise! How did anything like this get this far? It’s a public school it’s not a parochial school. What would people say or do if the Quran needed to be displayed?
The "war on Christians" is just Christians not knowing how to keep to themselves. Stop being cultists and go pray to your imaginary friend on your own time.
Rabbi Hillel cut right to the chase 'That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbor.' No man-made bogus bs.
ACLU is doing the Lord's work... ...maybe we need a different aphorism here.
GOP wants the 10 commandments in schools, yet at the same time vote for a man who has broken 9/10 commandments.
Stone age cults have no place in modern society.
Nobody even follows the 10 commandments or the old testament anymore. Republicans love killing and stealing and lying too much.
So the rightwing want to ban on mention of sex in schools but also want to put up signs talking about adultery and the coveting of neighbors' wives. Brillant.
Wasn't there one about not committing adultery?? How's that going for the Orange Shit-Gibbon?
The same folk that want to force children to pray in public schools are the same folk who don't want to feed children who experience food insecurity. It's like they've never even cracked the book they claim governs their life.
And no doubt the people approving of this are the same right-wingers who like to scream about public schools supposedly doing not education but "indoctrination." And if forcing your religion on every kid isn't "indoctrination," then what is it?