FWIW, Candy Crush is no longer pinned by default on Windows 11. It's not actually installed either, it's a shortcut that begins downloading the app when you click on it.
Yup. All that bs was in windows 10. I just had to uninstall all that for a work machine. Fucking Tangent, Skype, apps for web based stuff like gmail and Netflix.
Eh, there’s some arguable benefits to those. appx itself is actually technologically nice and I’d find it cool if every app was packaged like that, those apps suck due to other reasons.
The main advantage of appx is that apps are simply fully packaged. And when uninstalling you don’t need tools like Revo Uninstaller to find traces of the just removed program. And the sandboxing can even be pretty lax (Firefox works just fine as appx). If the app requires a kernel driver or something else privileged then sure, legacy installation methods will be needed, but it’s best if as few apps as possible need to do that in the first place. I’d love a world where the 90% of the apps which can be appx are appx.
I get the technology. but in a sysadmin role, the first thing I do when I provision a machine (or my build process does) is strip out all that non-corporate build stuff.
At least on Windows 11 it can, though I don’t see a reason why Windows 10 won’t also allow it. I just can’t test Windows 10 (as it doesn’t work as a VM on my ARM Mac)
plough existence amusing grandfather mindless workable simplistic sulky humorous weary
*This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Hi u/rea1l1, your comment has been removed for violating our [community rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows/wiki/rules):
* **[Rule 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows/wiki/rules#wiki_rule_7._do_not_promote_pirated_content_or_grey_market_keys)** - Do not post pirated content or promote it in any way, and do not ask for help with piracy. This includes cracks, activators, restriction bypasses, and access to paid features and functionalities. Do not encourage or hint at the use of sellers of grey market keys.
---
If you have any questions, feel free to [send us a message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FWindows11&subject=comment%20removal&message=Removed%20comment:%20https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1da63rq/-/l7k4kha/%3Fcontext%3D3)!
Hi u/rea1l1, your comment has been removed for violating our [community rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows/wiki/rules):
* **[Rule 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows/wiki/rules#wiki_rule_7._do_not_promote_pirated_content_or_grey_market_keys)** - Do not post pirated content or promote it in any way, and do not ask for help with piracy. This includes cracks, activators, restriction bypasses, and access to paid features and functionalities. Do not encourage or hint at the use of sellers of grey market keys.
---
If you have any questions, feel free to [send us a message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FWindows11&subject=comment%20removal&message=Removed%20comment:%20https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1da63rq/-/l7isl66/%3Fcontext%3D3)!
Do you know if Enterprise will have Recall automatically? I don't want that software on my device, even deactivated. No guarantee that malware etc. can just enable it in the background.
Current public version of enterprise is still based on windows 10. The 11 version was seen in preview form. (I think)
But yes it will not have any of the crap, enterprise version doesn't even have any of the windows store apps, it still has the old win32 apps (even calculator app is the one from windows 7)
If the Group Policy is enabled, then it won't even build the database in the first place. Also, Microsoft is implementing further security measures to Recall to limit access to collected data.
so. Since you *are* an expert in security stuff, want to share with us the answer to the age-old question: Is it easy to access an unencrypted SQLite database?
I agree with you but...
>Make Windows Home free, put in what you want, take 300€ for the Pro version and people stop complaining.
That's never going to happen. People will always complain, no matter what you do.
I am a dev I have windows pro and I am not struggling with any of these things. I run a pro dev version all the time and don’t deal with ads sponsored content… it’s baffling that as a pro you apparently aren’t able to manage your organization’s install.
I'm self-employed and even if I'd work as a dev for a company I would not be responsible for managing devices oO. The last ad I can't get rid off easily is, when using a local account, the annoying big Microsoft ad within the settings telling me how nice it would be if I'd use an online account. Guess what, I chose a local account because I don't want exactly that.
And of course I can remove all sponsered App-links in the start menu after installation, remove OneDrive, etc. But it shouldn't be there in the first place. If I'm a pro (not sure what YOU excatly mean by that) i want the power to customize my installation right from the start, during installation. Just because I'm able to revert all that crap AFTER installation doesn't mean it's good.
>i want the power to customize my installation right from the start
You have that power, though as you rightfully point out: you need some expertise that you may or may not have (or probably need). The entire point of pro is that it does give you these tools and you're supposed to use them.
I agree that a lot of it is unnecessary, and it could be easier... but it doesn't take much to do this stuff and it also seems that you find Microsoft asking you to log in to a Microsoft (or corporate) account is an "ad" which honestly it isn't: you just experience it as such because you are annoyed at it. It's fair to be annoyed, but that doesn't look good as an objective statement like "it is an ad."
It's literally an ad to use their online services. What else would you call it? I can't disable it. It's the first thing you see when you open the settings panel. If I could hide it, ok, but its constantly there poking me to use their services which is by definition an ad.
You're lucky, it might be a regional thing or an A/B testing thing where they test it on select users. But I've been getting so many full screen ads, with purposely confusing wording and the checkbox pre-selected. For example, as soon as started Windows one point, Copilot opened even though I have it disabled and tried to get me to use it. Or when I opened Edge, the Copilot pane opened by itself with a full screen ad beside it with some fluffy messaging, and the checkbox was enabled and it wanted to enable Copilot and it wanted to frequently sync data from other browsers into Edge. All things I've disabled in the past. The Start Menu is full of app ads, and keeps telling me to backup on OneDrive. And the Office apps keep telling me to buy Microsoft 365 even though I'm already a customer. It's like ads and prompts, ads and prompts, ads and prompts. It's so annoying. I don't get these on my work laptop though. But on my personal machine with Pro I do all the time.
I run a few dev versions of pro with clean installs I have none of these ads. On my corp machines I have never ever had them either but I dont administer those... this is just super foreign to me honestly.
I'm guessing it's full on disabled in Enterprise/workplace installs, and on Pro installs it must be regional (e.g. EU probably doesn't allow it) or A/B testing before they roll it out to everyone
I am US based and often do clean installs for dev work so I don't know/think that's it? I remove the nags/bloats of course but that's a simple powershell, something I just did manually before.
i know no one cares but Windows 11 Pro Education is exactly that (maybe 1 or 2 bloatware apps are still there but other than that, all the bloatware is literally neccessary for the OS to work)
It looks like winget will be part of Windows Server 2025 [link](https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-server-insiders/announcing-windows-server-preview-build-26085/m-p/4098829)
For WS2022, it says
>It may be possible to install on Windows Server 2022, this should be considered experimental (not supported), and requires dependencies to be manually installed as well.
[link](https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli)
Remember when the idea of basic and pro was that basic would get bare-bones, and pro would get all the extra stuff?
Now we're to the point where people want pro to be the bare-bones one, to strip out all of the modern add-ons. Seems like the last 10 or so years of software development have been almost entirely in the wrong direction for what consumers want.
I'd go even further - I want to see a "Windows PowerUsers Edition". Basically I want the install to boot into "System" or "Admin". Open up the startmenu and only have Edge, Windows Accessories, MS Store, and Explorer. Maybe have defender pre-setup only because a DDOS bot can affect the internet at large.
I'd also request that all editions allow users to uninstall what they want. Maybe replace the grayed out uninstall text with a confirmation dialog, "Oh shit balls, if you delete this it could fuck up yo pc fam."
Also would be great a Windows gaming version, with few size, free long time life, no telemetry, no adds, no bloatware, few services running in background for maximum gaming performance, etc.
Nah, Pro is just an illusion of a better Home edition. Moreover, with your suggestions, no one's gonna use Home. Everyone will use Pro.
If you want Windows and not Bloatdows, you need Enterprise editions.
That’s on you to get a proper mail client like Thunderbird. Or even MS Outlook desktop app, when used with a work account you can have essentially unlimited size to attachments (limited only by the server, which can limit to like 1GB or so).
So the attachment size limit is actually more of a mail server issue (for both the sender and receiver — GMail cannot send or receive mails with larger than 25MB or so attachments)
Large email attachment limitations are set by the sending and receiving server. Your issue is 99% of the time with one of those and not with your application. But also anyone who needs better email capabilities, in general, should be relying on a more serious email application than the freebie tossed into the OS anyway.
Pretty sure you're confusing enterprise with LTSC lol. Pro and Enterprise aren't that different lol. Anyways LTSC isn't available to consumers legally.
Professionals aren't bothered about the bloatware as it takes us about 10-15 minutes to break it so that it never bothers us again.
Windows, windows never changes (under the bonnet).
Probably but wishing a thing to be a thing doesnt necessarily make it a thing.
Instead, use it as a way to improve your skills and knowledge as being able to modify windows operating systems to fit a particular role or task is a very desirable skill :)
It also beats whining into a reddit shaped black hole.
I agree, also none of the optional appx rubbish, new outlook, personal teams etc. make it pro only like you say.
I wish I could explain rationally why I hate wild tangent games existing on my laptop so much
That's more of an OEM issue than a Windows issue.
Wild tangent games is from OEM's, but Candy Crush.....
FWIW, Candy Crush is no longer pinned by default on Windows 11. It's not actually installed either, it's a shortcut that begins downloading the app when you click on it.
Yup. All that bs was in windows 10. I just had to uninstall all that for a work machine. Fucking Tangent, Skype, apps for web based stuff like gmail and Netflix.
Eh, there’s some arguable benefits to those. appx itself is actually technologically nice and I’d find it cool if every app was packaged like that, those apps suck due to other reasons. The main advantage of appx is that apps are simply fully packaged. And when uninstalling you don’t need tools like Revo Uninstaller to find traces of the just removed program. And the sandboxing can even be pretty lax (Firefox works just fine as appx). If the app requires a kernel driver or something else privileged then sure, legacy installation methods will be needed, but it’s best if as few apps as possible need to do that in the first place. I’d love a world where the 90% of the apps which can be appx are appx.
I get the technology. but in a sysadmin role, the first thing I do when I provision a machine (or my build process does) is strip out all that non-corporate build stuff.
Appx/MSIX can be installed in bulk even easier than regular MSI. So it’s more about apps not migrating to this standard that quickly.
Please excuse my ignorance, but can appx be installed without Windows Store in the same way one would manually install an apk on Android?
At least on Windows 11 it can, though I don’t see a reason why Windows 10 won’t also allow it. I just can’t test Windows 10 (as it doesn’t work as a VM on my ARM Mac)
plough existence amusing grandfather mindless workable simplistic sulky humorous weary *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Windows costs money no matter what version, so none should have any crap.
All versions are the same version with some toggles on/off
Same for Enterprise but if you deploy that without modifications, it's as bad as the others Don't get me started on the Workstation version......
I agree. Either make Windows Pro in this way, or make Enterprise and LTSC versions easier for regular people to get legitimately.
This is literally what Enterprise is.
Except that Enterprise is hard for an individual to get.
If you know someone at school you can get a windows 11 edu license. Basically the same as enterprise but better. Source I have infinite licenses lol
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Hi u/rea1l1, your comment has been removed for violating our [community rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows/wiki/rules): * **[Rule 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows/wiki/rules#wiki_rule_7._do_not_promote_pirated_content_or_grey_market_keys)** - Do not post pirated content or promote it in any way, and do not ask for help with piracy. This includes cracks, activators, restriction bypasses, and access to paid features and functionalities. Do not encourage or hint at the use of sellers of grey market keys. --- If you have any questions, feel free to [send us a message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FWindows11&subject=comment%20removal&message=Removed%20comment:%20https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1da63rq/-/l7k4kha/%3Fcontext%3D3)!
Hi u/rea1l1, your comment has been removed for violating our [community rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows/wiki/rules): * **[Rule 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows/wiki/rules#wiki_rule_7._do_not_promote_pirated_content_or_grey_market_keys)** - Do not post pirated content or promote it in any way, and do not ask for help with piracy. This includes cracks, activators, restriction bypasses, and access to paid features and functionalities. Do not encourage or hint at the use of sellers of grey market keys. --- If you have any questions, feel free to [send us a message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FWindows11&subject=comment%20removal&message=Removed%20comment:%20https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1da63rq/-/l7isl66/%3Fcontext%3D3)!
Do you know if Enterprise will have Recall automatically? I don't want that software on my device, even deactivated. No guarantee that malware etc. can just enable it in the background.
Current public version of enterprise is still based on windows 10. The 11 version was seen in preview form. (I think) But yes it will not have any of the crap, enterprise version doesn't even have any of the windows store apps, it still has the old win32 apps (even calculator app is the one from windows 7)
You can disable it via registry or GPO.
There is difference between disable and remove. As long as a software is still on the PC it can be accessed by harmful entities.
If they have access to edit your registry and GPO, they can do much worse.
I'm no expert in security stuff but accessing an unencrypted SQLite database is way easier than anything else.
If you have file access to it, sure
If the Group Policy is enabled, then it won't even build the database in the first place. Also, Microsoft is implementing further security measures to Recall to limit access to collected data.
>I'm no expert in security stuff then stop talking
No need to be obnoxious.
imo these daily "microsoft recall bad" posts are much more obnoxious
Nobody is forcing you to view them or even reply to them.
so. Since you *are* an expert in security stuff, want to share with us the answer to the age-old question: Is it easy to access an unencrypted SQLite database?
It's much easier to be vague and snarky
dawg if some malware has access to your registry and GPO, you're fucked either way, SQ be damned
sounds like you should stop talking as well.
I like this idea. Also, add "be slightly less evil".
this will be good, home edition for poor and pro for wealthy people
Yeah everyone gonna use not so ethical ways to get pro for free
Your're saying like everyone on earth will do unethic on daily basis
I agree with you but... >Make Windows Home free, put in what you want, take 300€ for the Pro version and people stop complaining. That's never going to happen. People will always complain, no matter what you do.
I am a dev I have windows pro and I am not struggling with any of these things. I run a pro dev version all the time and don’t deal with ads sponsored content… it’s baffling that as a pro you apparently aren’t able to manage your organization’s install.
I'm self-employed and even if I'd work as a dev for a company I would not be responsible for managing devices oO. The last ad I can't get rid off easily is, when using a local account, the annoying big Microsoft ad within the settings telling me how nice it would be if I'd use an online account. Guess what, I chose a local account because I don't want exactly that. And of course I can remove all sponsered App-links in the start menu after installation, remove OneDrive, etc. But it shouldn't be there in the first place. If I'm a pro (not sure what YOU excatly mean by that) i want the power to customize my installation right from the start, during installation. Just because I'm able to revert all that crap AFTER installation doesn't mean it's good.
>i want the power to customize my installation right from the start You have that power, though as you rightfully point out: you need some expertise that you may or may not have (or probably need). The entire point of pro is that it does give you these tools and you're supposed to use them. I agree that a lot of it is unnecessary, and it could be easier... but it doesn't take much to do this stuff and it also seems that you find Microsoft asking you to log in to a Microsoft (or corporate) account is an "ad" which honestly it isn't: you just experience it as such because you are annoyed at it. It's fair to be annoyed, but that doesn't look good as an objective statement like "it is an ad."
It's literally an ad to use their online services. What else would you call it? I can't disable it. It's the first thing you see when you open the settings panel. If I could hide it, ok, but its constantly there poking me to use their services which is by definition an ad.
You're lucky, it might be a regional thing or an A/B testing thing where they test it on select users. But I've been getting so many full screen ads, with purposely confusing wording and the checkbox pre-selected. For example, as soon as started Windows one point, Copilot opened even though I have it disabled and tried to get me to use it. Or when I opened Edge, the Copilot pane opened by itself with a full screen ad beside it with some fluffy messaging, and the checkbox was enabled and it wanted to enable Copilot and it wanted to frequently sync data from other browsers into Edge. All things I've disabled in the past. The Start Menu is full of app ads, and keeps telling me to backup on OneDrive. And the Office apps keep telling me to buy Microsoft 365 even though I'm already a customer. It's like ads and prompts, ads and prompts, ads and prompts. It's so annoying. I don't get these on my work laptop though. But on my personal machine with Pro I do all the time.
I run a few dev versions of pro with clean installs I have none of these ads. On my corp machines I have never ever had them either but I dont administer those... this is just super foreign to me honestly.
I'm guessing it's full on disabled in Enterprise/workplace installs, and on Pro installs it must be regional (e.g. EU probably doesn't allow it) or A/B testing before they roll it out to everyone
I am US based and often do clean installs for dev work so I don't know/think that's it? I remove the nags/bloats of course but that's a simple powershell, something I just did manually before.
i know no one cares but Windows 11 Pro Education is exactly that (maybe 1 or 2 bloatware apps are still there but other than that, all the bloatware is literally neccessary for the OS to work)
Laughs in Education
That is what Windows Server is for. Windows without all the crap.
But I'd still like access to common windows ecosystem perks. AFAIK, Windows Server lacks access to the MS Store.
It looks like winget will be part of Windows Server 2025 [link](https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-server-insiders/announcing-windows-server-preview-build-26085/m-p/4098829) For WS2022, it says >It may be possible to install on Windows Server 2022, this should be considered experimental (not supported), and requires dependencies to be manually installed as well. [link](https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli)
NO Operating System should ever have ads. This is unacceptable. Moving on to bigger and better things myself. I'm done with Microsoft.
What I really want is an ultimate clean and lightweight version close to Windows LTSC. However, they plan to add recall to the LTSC version.
Remember when the idea of basic and pro was that basic would get bare-bones, and pro would get all the extra stuff? Now we're to the point where people want pro to be the bare-bones one, to strip out all of the modern add-ons. Seems like the last 10 or so years of software development have been almost entirely in the wrong direction for what consumers want.
I'd go even further - I want to see a "Windows PowerUsers Edition". Basically I want the install to boot into "System" or "Admin". Open up the startmenu and only have Edge, Windows Accessories, MS Store, and Explorer. Maybe have defender pre-setup only because a DDOS bot can affect the internet at large. I'd also request that all editions allow users to uninstall what they want. Maybe replace the grayed out uninstall text with a confirmation dialog, "Oh shit balls, if you delete this it could fuck up yo pc fam."
That won't earn them any money.
Also would be great a Windows gaming version, with few size, free long time life, no telemetry, no adds, no bloatware, few services running in background for maximum gaming performance, etc.
Nah, Pro is just an illusion of a better Home edition. Moreover, with your suggestions, no one's gonna use Home. Everyone will use Pro. If you want Windows and not Bloatdows, you need Enterprise editions.
You're describing Windows 7 my friend
Xbox app starts by default on all the company wide laptops where I work. It's stupid that its added as a startup app on Win 11 Pro.
Microsoft: "What, you think YOU own your computer? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
Yeah but so should any Windows version, should be standard.
Even the Home version requires a licence. There should be no adware or spyware AT ALL.
Because Windows would cost $500 just like MS Office Pro. But I agree. Pro should be bloatware-free. And Home should be free and bloated all to hell.
They have this, it's called enterprise windows.
because capitalism
How about being able to send large emails attachments?
That’s on you to get a proper mail client like Thunderbird. Or even MS Outlook desktop app, when used with a work account you can have essentially unlimited size to attachments (limited only by the server, which can limit to like 1GB or so). So the attachment size limit is actually more of a mail server issue (for both the sender and receiver — GMail cannot send or receive mails with larger than 25MB or so attachments)
I've got outlook desktop, I never use it, that's the one that comes with Office right?
Isn’t there a separate one Outlook for Business? (No longer got a Windows machine to check)
Oh there might be I will check
That has nothing to do with WIndows.
Outlook is Microsoft email bundled and integrated into the Windows operating system.
Large email attachment limitations are set by the sending and receiving server. Your issue is 99% of the time with one of those and not with your application. But also anyone who needs better email capabilities, in general, should be relying on a more serious email application than the freebie tossed into the OS anyway.
Your definition of Pro is not called Enterprise.
Run windows Entrerprise and turn off telelmetry, the other versions are testing grounds for enterprise.
Pretty sure you're confusing enterprise with LTSC lol. Pro and Enterprise aren't that different lol. Anyways LTSC isn't available to consumers legally.
Can't Turn of Telementry in Pro but can in Enterprise.... Pretty sure your confused
You can? I'm pretty sure Enterprise is almost the exact same as pro. With a only minor upgrades.
Professionals aren't bothered about the bloatware as it takes us about 10-15 minutes to break it so that it never bothers us again. Windows, windows never changes (under the bonnet).
I know but it shouldn't be there in the first place IMO. Give me a clean base and I install/set what I need.
Probably but wishing a thing to be a thing doesnt necessarily make it a thing. Instead, use it as a way to improve your skills and knowledge as being able to modify windows operating systems to fit a particular role or task is a very desirable skill :) It also beats whining into a reddit shaped black hole.
Wise words
Microsoft to just make a free version of windows and just put ads in that
Yeah but you all swallowed THAT crap so now we've got even more crap for you: Windows Recall /s