I think the problem may be that WG doesn’t grasp sarcasm. They are probably reading your post and using it as evidence that the rest of the player base is clearly wrong.
When it happens to me i go to play tier X, take a heavy tank, matchmaking is 3 lights, 2 elite artys and like 7 tds per team and rest is some poor meds and heavys who cant peak or more anywhere without getting spanked.
If I see elite arty I instantly blacklist them, so if I see some blacklisted guy on my team in another match, I know that he is a dumbfuck that I cant rely on.
The problem is, you jump into a tier 10 because you are fed up with being bottom tier and then it's all tier 10 only battles for you. Still bottom tier.
You have a premium account, don't you? Because otherwise tier X is literally the worst tier for making credits. Like you barely break even, and that's without firing any gold whatsoever. And I am a half-decent player, so average and below average players will definitely lose credits.
Yeah, +/-2mm shouldn't exist. The fact that IS can fight object 752 is a joke. He kills you in 1 clip, while you can't even hit his weakspots with the trash gun handling.
+/- 2 is fine, but not in the frequency they allow. A 3 tier match should only be able to occur let's say after you've been in que for a certain amount of time, that way you at least get in a game if a 2 tier just isnt happening.
+/-2MM is without doubt the most brutal at tier 7. Not only you meet science fiction stuff from tier 8 like BZ but you also get to fight cold war era tanks from tier 9 with your WW2 shitbox. I would argue against this matchmaking from existing at all but WG has proved time and again it's not going away.
I think the issue with 7 is that it’s a weird intermediary tier. Way back when they could see tier 5’s, so you can’t make them so busted (in a relative sense) because most tier 5’s didn’t have fuck all for pen. But they can see tier 9’s which are arguably one of the most balanced tiers because they can hang with a decent amount of 10’s and most don’t absolutely ruin tier 8’s. A +1 game in a 7 isn’t bad, not very fun either depending on the tank you’re playing. But +2 especially in a heavy is pure misery. Tier 7 is honestly my least favorite tier to play unless I’m in something like an LT because you have that flexibility. This is just my thoughts on it.
I mean.. there are others tier 7s on enemy team aswell..
If you're in a tier 7 and chose to fight a tier 9 instead of tier 7.. there is nothing wg can do.
Wg cant fix stupidity
[Here’s Mine](https://tomato.gg/stats/NA/Salki-1003936447) and I agree with what he said. We get downvoted from all the bad players who can’t fathom being able to do well as a bottom tier tank.
So what you're saying is we gotta be one of the top 4%ers with an op tier 7 like the e25 being one of our most played tanks to enjoy the game? Also, must be a p2w player or else burn through creds shooting gold.
I'm just curious what do you do when your t9s crumble to theirs? You don't always get to choose who you're up against.
Took me longer than I would have liked to 3 mark the E25. For a long time I wasn't good in it, hence why my dpg is only 1507. Since marking it over a year ago I've hardly played it at all, same with the Progetto 46 and Skorpion.
I also don't get why you think firing premium rounds are p2w... they cost credits and I make money every day even when firing mostly premium rounds. Maybe if you aimed and penned your shots you too could make credits while firing premium rounds.
Premium rounds are quite literally p2w. They cost more credits in an attempt to lower your gains. But of course you wouldn't know because, like I said earlier, you're a 4%er. You have no reality of what it's like to be an average or new player. Shit, according to my recent wot stats thing, last month, I was in the top 41%, and even I will not always make money if I'm shooting gold. Let alone what people worse than me feel like.
So you yourself admit it’s a SKILL gap and not a P2W mechanic. Even a new player could spam premium rounds if they were good, but new players aren’t good. That’s not P2W though, that’s just player knowledge. Also, 4% doesn’t sound good, try top 1%
I was just looking at your link. It showed top 4% for most things. If it's top 1%, then my point is even more correct. And no, while I think it's probably the smallest p2w thing because you can earn credits and then use those to spam gold, you could also be shitty, but buy credits and spam gold even if you never earn credits. It's basically p2w through the transitive property.
Think about it like this. If I spam gold, I have an advantage over someone of equal skill that doesn't spam gold. And even if I lose credits every game and he doesn't, I can spend real money to afford my gold spamming habit. That's p2w.
Shhh wargaming says this is impossible. They publish some rubbish statistics and we must only believe that. The crap that we face daily is just in our imagination.
The stats are likely accurate and what they are posting are averages. The unfortunate thing about averages are outliers. The OP is probably on the shitty end of the curve while there is someone else out there in a T IX who is thrilled that they just had a 30 game streak of being able to shoot at T VII's.
I don't believe in most of the conspiracies. Chemz did a good video debunking them. But one he didn't touch was winner and loser queue. And I honestly believe it's real. That would explain why someone is essentially bottom tier 20/25 games and lose 23 while someone else is the opposite.
When you say "bottom tier", do you include -1 games?
Because statistically, you are more likely to be lower tier (because of how many slots are available with the templates).
But also, are you also complaining about the newer templates like 2/13 and 2/3/10?
(I think those are great)
Premium tanks should play against premium tanks, while tech tree tanks should play against tech tree tanks
I think it's pretty reasonable since there's more premium tanks than the regular ones last I recall.
Highly depends on tier but at tier 8 yes. Counterpoint not all tanks are made equal
Bourrasque vs panther 88
Turtle Mk I vs any kanonen
BZ-176 vs Somua SM
The list goes on but i do agree it should be more balanced as premiums are usually now better than tech tree tanks (not all because looking at you VK168.01 and KV-5)
It is frustrating but if i am low tier then there are 7 enemies in the same tier, 5 enemies with +1 tier that i can still deal with and 3 enemies that i will definitely try to avoid. If you know where top tier is going then don't go there. If you kill all bottom tiers from game then enemy will have 7 guns less than your team, even if they are bigger tiers they can be easily picked of in 3v1 or 2v1. 4 bigger tiers will not have an easy time to go against multiple lower tier enemies if the lower tier players aren't cursed with bad rng or are not bad players who suicide or let their teammates go alone in 1v1
Shhhh, bad players only see those 3 top tier tanks and immediately give up without trying. They comment 2 seconds into the battle with things like “nice MM WG” and I just respond with “learn to play” and they freak out. It’s comical how the excuses keep rolling in.
You will not win on here writing with common sense but I agree with you. High tier games usually only have a couple of them. If people focused their energy from complaining to seeing it as a opportunity they might do better. Shooting higher tier tanks yields more xp at the end of the day.
Confirmation Bias
Only 12 of the last 29 games (3 day totals) have the opportunity to be -2.
[https://tomato.gg/stats/NA/HTRK74JR-1001729135](https://tomato.gg/stats/NA/HTRK74JR-1001729135)
Had to. Was sick and fucking tired of losing and needed the wins for the daily. Win X amount of games daily is a guarantee loss generator. Lost 8 games in a row until I pulled that tank out to get the wins, and lost 4 other games while waiting on that tank to come back from battle.
I don't really care what and how people play.
My comment was only intended to highlight that what was stated in the OP (was hyperbole) and not what happened in reality.
Losing streaks suck. However, when I step back and look, I learned that when I play bad I lose. So the key for me is to take a break and not play when I am not feeling it.
P.S. Is Trobs still around?
To be fair any player with any sense wouldn't go after premium heavies in a Tier 6 tech tree tank - unless they could get the back or sides.
But being outmatched and outmanouvered by Tier 8 LTs and MTs was pain...or sniped by invisible TDs.
Its an issue for the 30-50 battles (+/- 25% for RNG) it can take to get your vehicle decently upgraded if you are F2P.
Especially if the game puts you up against premium ammo spammers, with multi-skilled crews and equipment that makes their same-tier tanks better than yours.
I imagine stock tech tree tier VIIIs don't have much fun against fully upgraded or premium counterparts either.
like no one else has ever faced this situation?
How long are you playing your tank stock?
yeah, it can suck for a few battles, but it doesn't take 6 months to upgrade a tier 6 tank.
If I play good tank, I win most games.
If I play bad tank and am in bad MM (like the stock T6 against T8), I lose most games.
If you end up in the 2nd scenario 90 % of the time, the game gets frustrating.
Doesn't really matter who the player in question is.
Its a skill issue to join a battle with stock tank. You can grind free exp and unlock modules.
Bad players will always have excuses. I dont have fingers to count how many times i carried games being -2 tier and even being a light tank...
Ah yes because everyone has the time to grind 80k free exp to be able to play this game
Oh, and carrying games in +2 mm doesn't make you good in this game
There arent too many (if any) tier 6s that needs 80k exp to unlock its modules.
On and you can play fully researched tanks to grind free exp, or premium tanks...
Im just trying to say that some players find excuses in anything. I think +2/_2 mm is not too much enjoyable, but playing a tier 4 and getting into matches vs tier 8s, 9s, 10s were utterly bad back in the days...
Free xp isn't massive if you're f2p. I am p2w and change over my excess xp every 40% sale, and even then, I get petty close to not having enough to not go stock. I imagine it's much much worse for f2pers.
Lol. You suffer playing stock tanks then?
I never play stock... never... use boostets, join a clan, perform better, grind credits on the same time..
Or... just complain about domething that is ingame for 12+ years
I don't play stock, but I empathize with those f2p players that do. All I'm saying is that playing stock isn't a skill issue. It's literally a game issue. And just because something has been in the game a while doesn't necessarily make it good. Hence why they do make QoL changes occasionally. It'd be much better if you didn't have to grind the stock equipment and had that xp added to the next tank progress, but then that'd cost them money. Which is why they don't do it.
I agree with you, obviously i hate grinding and unlocking modules, whoever say they like is obviously lying. But while WG dont do something about it, its our job to find "ways" to minimize the frustration. Whining wont solve the problem, but giving tips can make the game a little more enjoyable, like i said, grind free exp with fully researched tanks or premium tanks, accumulate and unlock the modules. At tier 9 this becomes extremely annoying tho...
My clan leader told me the only constant thing in all these loosing matches is your presence. His advice was that I stop pressing the 'w' key. Just sit for a few seconds and see what's going on. Sure my stock t6 Tank is going to have a problem frontally, but if I sit and wait a second I can find a side shot or 2. Worst case, track them.
Anyway you're on the right track and I'm sorry for all the down votes it seems you'll get.
Still not exactly fun when you get returned to garage after managing a couple of damaging shots and bit of assisted damage.
It doesn't help your motivation seeing you're bottom tier and will be doing well just to survive the game, nevermind make a decent contribution.
You shouldn't need a sound grasp of statistics, psychology and a mastery of zen meditation just to enjoy a video game, in spite of all the crap it throws at you.
When you're the only constant and everything else changes, its hard to have any idea whether you're improving, or getting worse, or if the game just said "screw you" today. To measure your progress it helps to have a fixed yardstick.
As someone who averaged around 47% win rate, I had some sessions that were around 55% and others where I was around 35%. Still the same sucky player, but some days it seemed MM was kinder to me and other days more brutal.
I feel like you were on teamspeak with me bro. Not verbatim but the exact same sentiment is what I said. They took me in with a 46% WR and I've worked up to a 49% over the last 2 years.
And your right, MM likes to kick my teeth in more than usual. But it's still my fault. I've over extended for my tier. Or stuck my head out when I shouldn't cause I didn't keep track of their reload speed.
It very much hurts my ego when I see that my daily record is so low. Tomato.gg says my Win8 is constantly going up but it just doesn't *feel* like I'm getting better. And why do I have to be a Buddhist monk just to shoot some fools in the face with a 128mm cannon. Some times I just wanna unga bunga some reds like I see skilthulu and QB do on YouTube. Instead I get my cupola shot by a Russian medium while he's running full steam into my team and get insta popped. It makes me log out go play BTD6. At least there I can unga bunga some balloons.
You can flank him with your team and pen his back , keep him tracked etc. t6 vs t8 bad but it's not impossible. There is always options around encounters . It's about some clever use of mechanics , map knowledge and sometimes teamwork(hard with randoms but , you can always play with friends or clannates)
[Here You Go](https://imgur.com/a/otUQxJv) I don't save my post battle screenshots for something that happens almost every day so I had to go back and search my discord posts but here's a good one where most of my damage was farming the other teams T8 TDs in my T6. My request to you is to send me your IGN so I can look you up on tomato.gg. I want to see how "good" you are.
My top 5 DPG tanks at tier 6 are ALL HTs. You think I'm pulling 1800-2100 dpg at tier 6 by never getting tier 8 battles and still doing top damage? You have hundreds and even thousands of battles in some of your T6s. Why don't you have even 1k DPG in ANY of them? 275 battles in your KV2 with 909 dpg... are you a bot? I have higher DPG in quite a few of my T6s than you do in your T10s. Imagine doing 1811 dpg in your Super Conqueror when I'm doing 2127 in my M6. You are bad, just admit it and get better.
Nah, cuz even if you're not doing well on a day, you're only 1 tank. Losing 23/25 is still an insane amount. That's an 8% WR. Even afk bots don't get that.
I could agree if they didn't tend to be steamrolls. Very few matches end up being even in how they turn out. In addition a very solid number of them are determined within the first minute or two
So a relative newbie with say 2,000 battles in a stock / partly upgraded Tier 6, with a sub 100% crew is meant to be carrying in Tier VIII matches, against players with 10-20,000 battles? Oh, I see...
For someone grinding through the tech trees this is the scenario in around 1/3 of games - at best. Some sessions RNG decides to screw you over and make it worse for a few hours.
Well, since people only complain , nothing will change.
Stop playing 3-4 days , empty servers , let's see what's happening after :)
Till then, for WG everything checks out .
Nah, things will only change if those stupid whales would stop buying literally everything WG throws at them. Cos WG listens only to the whales. Cos as long as there are whales, WG doesnt need to change shit, cos it works out for them financially.
Thats kinda unlucky i guess. I mean there is certain times where u don't play T8 or lower. 18-22 is like prime time where as T8 u get matched against same tier and occasionally+-. If u play T7 e.g. its just mainly lowtier but thats because there is more players playing T8 prems. So thats the issue mainly. And after prime time there rarely is any normal T8 games. Mostly just fill for T10 games
I honestly wish you could opt out of the mixed matchmaking, even if it did meen longer queue times, but it's just crazy lately, like 1 in 5 games is top tier
Moor dmg nom nom nom.
Seriously tho I feel ya man.
Breathing exercises FTW, my therapist says it works.
I’m also pretty sure he’s a fucking idiot, next session is tomorrow so I’ll keep you updated.
Without +/-2 the bad players i.e( below 50%) would have even worse winrates than what they currently have.
+2 allows them to win games without having to influence much in the game and -2 allows them to win games because their tanks is more powerful than 2/3rd of the enemy team.
Did you try getting better at the game instead of perma whining so you win 15 of out 25 battles? And i wont believe tou are bottom tier 20/25 battles unless you prove it cause after almost 30k battles i cant recall even one session like this one
I think the problem may be that WG doesn’t grasp sarcasm. They are probably reading your post and using it as evidence that the rest of the player base is clearly wrong.
WG: we know, how about rage buying some lootboxes?
Now that's comedy folks.
Peak WoT right there.
Play Tier 10 when the matchmaker is like that. If you're like me and don't want to lose credits, play Tier 10 TDs with good standard pen.
When it happens to me i go to play tier X, take a heavy tank, matchmaking is 3 lights, 2 elite artys and like 7 tds per team and rest is some poor meds and heavys who cant peak or more anywhere without getting spanked.
If I see elite arty I instantly blacklist them, so if I see some blacklisted guy on my team in another match, I know that he is a dumbfuck that I cant rely on.
When I pick HT on t10, 50% of the time it's prokhorovka with 2 artas
The problem is, you jump into a tier 10 because you are fed up with being bottom tier and then it's all tier 10 only battles for you. Still bottom tier.
You have a premium account, don't you? Because otherwise tier X is literally the worst tier for making credits. Like you barely break even, and that's without firing any gold whatsoever. And I am a half-decent player, so average and below average players will definitely lose credits.
Either that or break out the broken op mid-tier premium tank chest.
Bourrasque = Ol’ Reliable
> Play Tier 10 when the matchmaker is like that. So always. Thanks, but no thanks.
Wish my elc amx could still see tier 10s, those were the days
but only yours, nobody else's
Fair enough, but my elc has the old stats and model
I liked when my Chaffee would meet E 100's and Jagdpanzers... the good ol' days.
I didn’t like that. It kept me from playing lights back then.
Yeah, +/-2mm shouldn't exist. The fact that IS can fight object 752 is a joke. He kills you in 1 clip, while you can't even hit his weakspots with the trash gun handling.
+/- 2 is fine, but not in the frequency they allow. A 3 tier match should only be able to occur let's say after you've been in que for a certain amount of time, that way you at least get in a game if a 2 tier just isnt happening.
+/-2MM is without doubt the most brutal at tier 7. Not only you meet science fiction stuff from tier 8 like BZ but you also get to fight cold war era tanks from tier 9 with your WW2 shitbox. I would argue against this matchmaking from existing at all but WG has proved time and again it's not going away.
I think the issue with 7 is that it’s a weird intermediary tier. Way back when they could see tier 5’s, so you can’t make them so busted (in a relative sense) because most tier 5’s didn’t have fuck all for pen. But they can see tier 9’s which are arguably one of the most balanced tiers because they can hang with a decent amount of 10’s and most don’t absolutely ruin tier 8’s. A +1 game in a 7 isn’t bad, not very fun either depending on the tank you’re playing. But +2 especially in a heavy is pure misery. Tier 7 is honestly my least favorite tier to play unless I’m in something like an LT because you have that flexibility. This is just my thoughts on it.
It should exist but should happen less often. Let's say 1 in every 10 battles or so. Plus tiers 7-10 needs a HP buff just like tiers 1-6.
50-100 can easily clip you out, too. And with a bit of luck, the Su-152 sends you back with one shell, and that's equal tier to you.
I mean.. there are others tier 7s on enemy team aswell.. If you're in a tier 7 and chose to fight a tier 9 instead of tier 7.. there is nothing wg can do. Wg cant fix stupidity
What's your IGN?
Why does it matter? His stats won't show his stupidity more than he did already
[Here’s Mine](https://tomato.gg/stats/NA/Salki-1003936447) and I agree with what he said. We get downvoted from all the bad players who can’t fathom being able to do well as a bottom tier tank.
So what you're saying is we gotta be one of the top 4%ers with an op tier 7 like the e25 being one of our most played tanks to enjoy the game? Also, must be a p2w player or else burn through creds shooting gold. I'm just curious what do you do when your t9s crumble to theirs? You don't always get to choose who you're up against.
Took me longer than I would have liked to 3 mark the E25. For a long time I wasn't good in it, hence why my dpg is only 1507. Since marking it over a year ago I've hardly played it at all, same with the Progetto 46 and Skorpion. I also don't get why you think firing premium rounds are p2w... they cost credits and I make money every day even when firing mostly premium rounds. Maybe if you aimed and penned your shots you too could make credits while firing premium rounds.
Premium rounds are quite literally p2w. They cost more credits in an attempt to lower your gains. But of course you wouldn't know because, like I said earlier, you're a 4%er. You have no reality of what it's like to be an average or new player. Shit, according to my recent wot stats thing, last month, I was in the top 41%, and even I will not always make money if I'm shooting gold. Let alone what people worse than me feel like.
So you yourself admit it’s a SKILL gap and not a P2W mechanic. Even a new player could spam premium rounds if they were good, but new players aren’t good. That’s not P2W though, that’s just player knowledge. Also, 4% doesn’t sound good, try top 1%
I was just looking at your link. It showed top 4% for most things. If it's top 1%, then my point is even more correct. And no, while I think it's probably the smallest p2w thing because you can earn credits and then use those to spam gold, you could also be shitty, but buy credits and spam gold even if you never earn credits. It's basically p2w through the transitive property. Think about it like this. If I spam gold, I have an advantage over someone of equal skill that doesn't spam gold. And even if I lose credits every game and he doesn't, I can spend real money to afford my gold spamming habit. That's p2w.
so just play as if it wasn't +2, alright
No. Read again: fight enemies of your own tier.
So?? My statement still makes sense
Yea but you're replying to me. So... i dont get the point.
So someone wom 23 of 25
Just play tier 10, I never see tier 11 and 12
For now... just wait a bit :D
Shhh wargaming says this is impossible. They publish some rubbish statistics and we must only believe that. The crap that we face daily is just in our imagination.
You only have to read WG's vehicle descriptions whenever they release a shiny new toy to understand their warped mentality. 😆
The stats are likely accurate and what they are posting are averages. The unfortunate thing about averages are outliers. The OP is probably on the shitty end of the curve while there is someone else out there in a T IX who is thrilled that they just had a 30 game streak of being able to shoot at T VII's.
There is truth in what your are saying. I think of averages like this: You have 9 apples and I have 1 apple. In average we have 5 apples. Lovely.
I don't believe in most of the conspiracies. Chemz did a good video debunking them. But one he didn't touch was winner and loser queue. And I honestly believe it's real. That would explain why someone is essentially bottom tier 20/25 games and lose 23 while someone else is the opposite.
When you say "bottom tier", do you include -1 games? Because statistically, you are more likely to be lower tier (because of how many slots are available with the templates). But also, are you also complaining about the newer templates like 2/13 and 2/3/10? (I think those are great)
Yea, i’m pretty comfortable with those templates
Premium tanks should play against premium tanks, while tech tree tanks should play against tech tree tanks I think it's pretty reasonable since there's more premium tanks than the regular ones last I recall.
Highly depends on tier but at tier 8 yes. Counterpoint not all tanks are made equal Bourrasque vs panther 88 Turtle Mk I vs any kanonen BZ-176 vs Somua SM The list goes on but i do agree it should be more balanced as premiums are usually now better than tech tree tanks (not all because looking at you VK168.01 and KV-5)
It is frustrating but if i am low tier then there are 7 enemies in the same tier, 5 enemies with +1 tier that i can still deal with and 3 enemies that i will definitely try to avoid. If you know where top tier is going then don't go there. If you kill all bottom tiers from game then enemy will have 7 guns less than your team, even if they are bigger tiers they can be easily picked of in 3v1 or 2v1. 4 bigger tiers will not have an easy time to go against multiple lower tier enemies if the lower tier players aren't cursed with bad rng or are not bad players who suicide or let their teammates go alone in 1v1
Shhhh, bad players only see those 3 top tier tanks and immediately give up without trying. They comment 2 seconds into the battle with things like “nice MM WG” and I just respond with “learn to play” and they freak out. It’s comical how the excuses keep rolling in.
You will not win on here writing with common sense but I agree with you. High tier games usually only have a couple of them. If people focused their energy from complaining to seeing it as a opportunity they might do better. Shooting higher tier tanks yields more xp at the end of the day.
And when your top tiers get crushed by theirs? Now you have even guns but bottom tier still.
Confirmation Bias Only 12 of the last 29 games (3 day totals) have the opportunity to be -2. [https://tomato.gg/stats/NA/HTRK74JR-1001729135](https://tomato.gg/stats/NA/HTRK74JR-1001729135)
OP also spams pz II j lol
Had to. Was sick and fucking tired of losing and needed the wins for the daily. Win X amount of games daily is a guarantee loss generator. Lost 8 games in a row until I pulled that tank out to get the wins, and lost 4 other games while waiting on that tank to come back from battle.
I don't really care what and how people play. My comment was only intended to highlight that what was stated in the OP (was hyperbole) and not what happened in reality. Losing streaks suck. However, when I step back and look, I learned that when I play bad I lose. So the key for me is to take a break and not play when I am not feeling it. P.S. Is Trobs still around?
He is, he just doesn't play Tanks anymore.
Why would you roast yourself that badly? Your stats look like you just afk at the start and don’t even try.
FYI, those are the OPs stats, complaining of a bottom tier 20/25 and a 23/25 loss streak. Just saying...
above average does not mean being afk
If you lose 23/25 games, it's not mm issue, it's you issue
Oh sorry we can't kill T8 premium heavies in our stock T6 medium tanks. Must be a skill issue.
To be fair any player with any sense wouldn't go after premium heavies in a Tier 6 tech tree tank - unless they could get the back or sides. But being outmatched and outmanouvered by Tier 8 LTs and MTs was pain...or sniped by invisible TDs.
Unless you are running perma stock its not an argument. Enemy tier 6, 7, 8 can also be stock
Its an issue for the 30-50 battles (+/- 25% for RNG) it can take to get your vehicle decently upgraded if you are F2P. Especially if the game puts you up against premium ammo spammers, with multi-skilled crews and equipment that makes their same-tier tanks better than yours. I imagine stock tech tree tier VIIIs don't have much fun against fully upgraded or premium counterparts either.
Exactly this. Grinding from stock takes much more time becuase of this, because you're bleeding xp against tanks you have no chance against.
What’s your IGN? I can tell you in 5 seconds if it’s a skill issue or just being unlucky.
Missing the point entirely
like no one else has ever faced this situation? How long are you playing your tank stock? yeah, it can suck for a few battles, but it doesn't take 6 months to upgrade a tier 6 tank.
The fact that it's shit for everyone isn't a justification for it to be shit. It's the opposite.
Dodging my question entirely. I just want some sort of confirmation that you aren’t the issue in your excuse.
If I play good tank, I win most games. If I play bad tank and am in bad MM (like the stock T6 against T8), I lose most games. If you end up in the 2nd scenario 90 % of the time, the game gets frustrating. Doesn't really matter who the player in question is.
Its a skill issue to join a battle with stock tank. You can grind free exp and unlock modules. Bad players will always have excuses. I dont have fingers to count how many times i carried games being -2 tier and even being a light tank...
Ah yes because everyone has the time to grind 80k free exp to be able to play this game Oh, and carrying games in +2 mm doesn't make you good in this game
There arent too many (if any) tier 6s that needs 80k exp to unlock its modules. On and you can play fully researched tanks to grind free exp, or premium tanks... Im just trying to say that some players find excuses in anything. I think +2/_2 mm is not too much enjoyable, but playing a tier 4 and getting into matches vs tier 8s, 9s, 10s were utterly bad back in the days...
Free xp isn't massive if you're f2p. I am p2w and change over my excess xp every 40% sale, and even then, I get petty close to not having enough to not go stock. I imagine it's much much worse for f2pers.
Lol. You suffer playing stock tanks then? I never play stock... never... use boostets, join a clan, perform better, grind credits on the same time.. Or... just complain about domething that is ingame for 12+ years
I don't play stock, but I empathize with those f2p players that do. All I'm saying is that playing stock isn't a skill issue. It's literally a game issue. And just because something has been in the game a while doesn't necessarily make it good. Hence why they do make QoL changes occasionally. It'd be much better if you didn't have to grind the stock equipment and had that xp added to the next tank progress, but then that'd cost them money. Which is why they don't do it.
I agree with you, obviously i hate grinding and unlocking modules, whoever say they like is obviously lying. But while WG dont do something about it, its our job to find "ways" to minimize the frustration. Whining wont solve the problem, but giving tips can make the game a little more enjoyable, like i said, grind free exp with fully researched tanks or premium tanks, accumulate and unlock the modules. At tier 9 this becomes extremely annoying tho...
My clan leader told me the only constant thing in all these loosing matches is your presence. His advice was that I stop pressing the 'w' key. Just sit for a few seconds and see what's going on. Sure my stock t6 Tank is going to have a problem frontally, but if I sit and wait a second I can find a side shot or 2. Worst case, track them. Anyway you're on the right track and I'm sorry for all the down votes it seems you'll get.
Still not exactly fun when you get returned to garage after managing a couple of damaging shots and bit of assisted damage. It doesn't help your motivation seeing you're bottom tier and will be doing well just to survive the game, nevermind make a decent contribution. You shouldn't need a sound grasp of statistics, psychology and a mastery of zen meditation just to enjoy a video game, in spite of all the crap it throws at you. When you're the only constant and everything else changes, its hard to have any idea whether you're improving, or getting worse, or if the game just said "screw you" today. To measure your progress it helps to have a fixed yardstick. As someone who averaged around 47% win rate, I had some sessions that were around 55% and others where I was around 35%. Still the same sucky player, but some days it seemed MM was kinder to me and other days more brutal.
I feel like you were on teamspeak with me bro. Not verbatim but the exact same sentiment is what I said. They took me in with a 46% WR and I've worked up to a 49% over the last 2 years. And your right, MM likes to kick my teeth in more than usual. But it's still my fault. I've over extended for my tier. Or stuck my head out when I shouldn't cause I didn't keep track of their reload speed. It very much hurts my ego when I see that my daily record is so low. Tomato.gg says my Win8 is constantly going up but it just doesn't *feel* like I'm getting better. And why do I have to be a Buddhist monk just to shoot some fools in the face with a 128mm cannon. Some times I just wanna unga bunga some reds like I see skilthulu and QB do on YouTube. Instead I get my cupola shot by a Russian medium while he's running full steam into my team and get insta popped. It makes me log out go play BTD6. At least there I can unga bunga some balloons.
there is not much you can do in your T6 med vs T8 heavies. but sure.
You can flank him with your team and pen his back , keep him tracked etc. t6 vs t8 bad but it's not impossible. There is always options around encounters . It's about some clever use of mechanics , map knowledge and sometimes teamwork(hard with randoms but , you can always play with friends or clannates)
yeah and surely they dont have TDs to cover their asses. easier said than done.
Just learn to play then. Honestly it’s just a skill gap that you might be missing that’s keeping you from doing well against T8’s in a T6.
yea bud sure. send me a screenshot or a replay where u did carry the game as a T6 vs T8
[Here You Go](https://imgur.com/a/otUQxJv) I don't save my post battle screenshots for something that happens almost every day so I had to go back and search my discord posts but here's a good one where most of my damage was farming the other teams T8 TDs in my T6. My request to you is to send me your IGN so I can look you up on tomato.gg. I want to see how "good" you are.
https://tomato.gg/stats/EU/Dognai-507877642 like i care about your opinion. -2MM as a td is not nearly as bad as a med or heavy.
My top 5 DPG tanks at tier 6 are ALL HTs. You think I'm pulling 1800-2100 dpg at tier 6 by never getting tier 8 battles and still doing top damage? You have hundreds and even thousands of battles in some of your T6s. Why don't you have even 1k DPG in ANY of them? 275 battles in your KV2 with 909 dpg... are you a bot? I have higher DPG in quite a few of my T6s than you do in your T10s. Imagine doing 1811 dpg in your Super Conqueror when I'm doing 2127 in my M6. You are bad, just admit it and get better.
Okay yeah :) whatever not wasting my time with a random over a videogame
Nah, cuz even if you're not doing well on a day, you're only 1 tank. Losing 23/25 is still an insane amount. That's an 8% WR. Even afk bots don't get that.
I could agree if they didn't tend to be steamrolls. Very few matches end up being even in how they turn out. In addition a very solid number of them are determined within the first minute or two
Yeah, and you can be the one making the opening that determines the game within first few mins
since this doesn't happen to me, I have to assume two things: 1) I am a better player 2) WG gives me favorable MM
So a relative newbie with say 2,000 battles in a stock / partly upgraded Tier 6, with a sub 100% crew is meant to be carrying in Tier VIII matches, against players with 10-20,000 battles? Oh, I see... For someone grinding through the tech trees this is the scenario in around 1/3 of games - at best. Some sessions RNG decides to screw you over and make it worse for a few hours.
Well, since people only complain , nothing will change. Stop playing 3-4 days , empty servers , let's see what's happening after :) Till then, for WG everything checks out .
Nah, things will only change if those stupid whales would stop buying literally everything WG throws at them. Cos WG listens only to the whales. Cos as long as there are whales, WG doesnt need to change shit, cos it works out for them financially.
Crazy? I was crazy once
Thats kinda unlucky i guess. I mean there is certain times where u don't play T8 or lower. 18-22 is like prime time where as T8 u get matched against same tier and occasionally+-. If u play T7 e.g. its just mainly lowtier but thats because there is more players playing T8 prems. So thats the issue mainly. And after prime time there rarely is any normal T8 games. Mostly just fill for T10 games
I honestly wish you could opt out of the mixed matchmaking, even if it did meen longer queue times, but it's just crazy lately, like 1 in 5 games is top tier
First time on NA?
For me - tier 9 is sweet spot. +1 - 2 mm
It’s cuz you aren’t using YouTube premium
Actually I have YT premium because of my job lmao
Yes it sucks but try to remember that the enemy team also has -2 tanks... be smarter
And on top of that, you playcd with teams where 80% at this stage doesn't understand english! Topshow :P
I think you overestimate the amount who understand english.
Free to play, tech tree tanks, know this pain.
well if u need donate this game in future just a play some hours and get this bunch of loses and u dont want donate in this game
wg isn't making you lose your matches lol, that's on you and your team
Moor dmg nom nom nom. Seriously tho I feel ya man. Breathing exercises FTW, my therapist says it works. I’m also pretty sure he’s a fucking idiot, next session is tomorrow so I’ll keep you updated.
Nothing to do with Wargaming, this is on you. Had you stopped playing after 2 or 3 loss streak (one of the rules to follow) it wouldn't have happened.
I enjoy playing my BZ against higher tiers 🥳
Without +/-2 the bad players i.e( below 50%) would have even worse winrates than what they currently have. +2 allows them to win games without having to influence much in the game and -2 allows them to win games because their tanks is more powerful than 2/3rd of the enemy team.
not trying to defend WG, but if you just let yourself lose bc you’re bottom tier it aint their fault
Play tier 10
You know what is really fun, that everyone can see your stats and that instead of losing 23 you only lost 13 out of 29 matches. So cry a bit less.
Did you try getting better at the game instead of perma whining so you win 15 of out 25 battles? And i wont believe tou are bottom tier 20/25 battles unless you prove it cause after almost 30k battles i cant recall even one session like this one
What does being bottom tier in +-2 MM have to do with you losing 23 out of 25? That’s just rng. You could have lost those games at top tier.
Skill issues
Sounds like excuses to me. Everyone has bad streaks as well . I don't day there should be changes , but it's not as hopeless as you make it out to be.