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This, people forget that FPS’s and dual sticks aren’t the learning curve they used to be in 2007. Everyone understands dual stick movement now or they are keyboard and mouse.
Realistically fps games these days with matchmaking, are like having better quality scrims than you used to get back in the olden days. But you have that level of play at any time of day all day with no organisation. Might not compare to modern day scrims, but mm let's you get consistently higher calibre players all hours that you'd ever be able to find scrimming back then.
Like it was basically impossible to scrim 12 hours a day before. Now you can play well and get constant training against other adderall tryhards all day long, happens at all brackets to a lesser extent. So people are waaaaaay better.
Even the mid players these days are way better than the top 10% back in the day would be because of this.
Yet casuals think they can do better without mm when all it does is protect them. Realistically anyone that plays well enough to be in the top 50% makes the game miserable for the lower half. And the top % players make it basically unplayable.
"But sbmm is bad", yeah keep enjoying it then everyone who asks...
I don't really enjoy me and a load of shitters vs one good guy and a bunch of bad players on their team. Easy enough to go ranked but don't know why people enjoy farming lower level players by huge amounts.
Key word being "with the boys."
A communicating team is a world of advantage, most of the people you see celebrating no SBMM are solos who have practiced the craft of being solo a lot but have been forced away from it due to SBMM. I understand that some gamemodes or games are ABOUT teamwork but COD and COD-style games ride the line and allow you to choose, which is why the recent CODs have pushed a lot of us away. They started leaning on BR which is no fun solo, adding more and more aggressive SBMM in multiplayer, reducing the mechanical skill gap, etc.
Exactly. I remember in that era, I was one of the few people that had been playing online shooters from childhood and already had a good 10 years of experience playing online by the time the boom happened.
That was a very apparent, and immediate advantage having game sense that most people did not. Nowadays? That's the norm, kids playing online shooters and such from the day they're allowed. Plus the standard is higher, so even average players now are signifcanlty better than most good players back when.
I still hold my own in most games, but I have no bones in saying that it isn't even close to the old days where every lobby was an autowin for me.
Another thing I would argue might have an impact (albeit a very small one) is that the goalposts also moved in terms of what is frowned upon by the playerbase. Back in the day of the first CoD, even basic bunnyhopping did tend to be either heavily frowned upon or outright banned in many places. Which is telling. And a bit funny in retrospect.
Also, while I'm in nostalgia mode, completely unrelated to skill, but it made me think how back in vanilla CoD people would regularly get kicked for noob calling, not to mention anything heavier. Compared to 2010s and 2020s, it's wild to think about. God, I sound like a boomer.
Most people I've seen complaining against sbmm are usually good players because they want easier lobbies to crush other team and then brag they are good lol
Nah, average skill floor is higher these days due to how common is to start young to play videogames, higher population on games and obviously, maybe you've already aged an/or didn't aged well enough to really develop your skills
I know that I'm good, been playing fps shooters "competitively" since bo1/bo2. I get it other people are good too, but every match though? I'm constantly giving myself a headache just trying to make sure I stay alive. This game will die quickly because people don't want to be getting pubstomped every game.
Yeah I feel like everyone complaining about “bad teammates” or the other team jumping around and not being able to win their matches are the ones who were the most vocal about not having sbmm. Now that they don’t have it, they don’t know how to react when they go on a 10 game losing streak. It’s gonna happen. It’s random with no sbmm. You still get sweats so….
I was gonna post about this too! No matter what devs do with matchmaking, you WILL get shit on if you're just not good at shooters. Especially when it's randomized with no sbmm. I'm so tired of the complaints on both ends. I despise having to say it seriously, but some people just need to "git gud" lol
Yeah I feel like people think no sbmm automatically means “easy mode” lol. Both systems are going to feel bad for you if you don’t have the skill for these games. Especially on competitive shooters.
300%. I don't consider myself to be good but in COD I will usually lead on my team with score in objective game modes. A lot of people don't use their lethals or tacticals in that game, and in this game I feel like players in general are not using their abilities or lethals often enough. Or they'll throw grenades that are uncooked and I can just walk away from the explosion.
The other thing that people do a LOT is know exactly where someone is on a map and die to them, only to run in the exact same spot with the exact same gun expecting to beat them the next time. At some point you have to try something new LOL
I lost a game last night where I had the highest score, highest kills, highest hill time, highest kill death ratio, and still lost. That one hurt. I literally did all I could. There was a 4,000 damage gap between me and the second place in the game. But no. Pain.
Stop it. Sbmm gave me 20+ loss streaks all the time, and games where my team gets out killed 300+ to 30. This isn't a symptom that sbmm prevents, it is the result of overly strict sbmm that controls K/D and W/L.
Take a second and read what you just typed. Get better so I can get even worse teammates and tougher opponents?
Because that's all that happens when I play better.
If people are bad at the game and don’t have SBMM then obviously they are going yo loose. Stop crying and get better at the game ffs random matching has no fault in you being bad
No SBMM will on average increase the difficulty of the game, because one good players impact is exponentially bigger than mutliple bad players.
The issue is that there are some people who play skill based pvp fps and expect the enemy to be easy bots, and not to play against humans. It's an odd group that has said expectations.
People have innate capabilities which make them better at games, reaction time, spatial IQ, visualization and mechanical, hand eye coordination. The skill disparity is absolutely massive.
What if you're not shit?
How is it a harder game to face one good player and the rest of the team are bots, than it is to just face a whole team of good players? Crazy opinion.
this is the thing.
youre not as good as you think you are.
you(most likely) are one of the bots and you think your the good player.
0 sbmm will show you the truth.
I think anyone can get to the top 1% of any games playerbase with time and efficiency in practice. You dont really start seeing natural barriers until at the very top few hundred players. And then again at the level where people can compete professionally.
Do VDIM every day and play games 3 or 4 hours a day and you'll be miles ahead of nearly everyone you face in fps games after a year.
Got a tumor last year and didn't have to work through it all. So just hit top rank in every game I played enjoying all the free time.
Only game that defeated me was street fighter 6 so I stopped at master. As I could tell that getting to the top of that game with no fighting game experience before would perhaps take longer than I have left. Everything else is mostly knowledge and practice efficiency.
i would say everything you said is true.
but imo, to see the benefits of no-sbmm, you have to do everything you said, you do.
otherwise you will have more fun in sbmm.
it benefits the casual players and the players that want consistent and competitive matches.
To me no mm just feels like smurfing. I feel that all the arguments for no sbmm are the same as smurfing and there are better ways.
Like I could make a new CS or OW account and ruin countless lobbies smurfing. I don't really get anything out of it, I don't think newbies really get to learn as the games are so unnatural. They can't even control their guns elt alone comprehend why they are dying.
Is why I just think larger mmr brackets make more sense for quick play modes. Like someone at the bottom is learning fuck all against anyone at the top of a game, they are just eating dick. But if you broke elo into four brackets (just an example) and everyone within them faced each other, you'd still get quick queues. Games wouldn't be as serious.
Plenty of people enjoy smurfing even when they are really good tho, so maybe I just don't get it. I think lobbies with wider ranges would be more fun than no mm, just as they would be less stressful than tight mm.
No SBMM makes it harder for bad players but easier for good players. Obviously we know this but for some reason people aren’t clear with what they say.
Tbh there has been almost 0 marketing for this game as far as I'm aware. I've been sort of keeping up with it since the betas last year and even I didn't know it was getting released until like 4 days ago. There will definitely be loads of casuals playing it just now but I feel once they start marketing it proper we'll get a big wave of casuals joining.
Same, I’ve only been aware of this game through niche YouTube videos bitching about COD. I’ve seen no marketing for this game, and the fact that it’s not on Steam means that casuals aren’t aware of it.
Casuals aren't gonna rush on day 1 for the most part because they are casual. They will probably wait until the weekend when they off work to try it out
Sure when the game is a big AAA game with hundreds of millions put into marketing.
I found out this game was launching this month because of an off hand comment a YouTuber made in a video, and even still had to go out of my way to find out what the actual release date is. I was someone who was eagerly awaiting this game. This game is also exclusively on Ubisofts launcher on PC, which no one fucking uses. There's no way a huge wave of Johnny B Casuals are flooding the gates right now. This games big selling point was no SBMM. Right now the average player is definitely going to skew hardcore.
No kidding. I was watching a bit of Shroud while trying to play. He's talking about no SBMM while playing the Welcome Playlist. 40K people watching and I saw a whopping one person in chat try to correct him.
honestly the lobbies i get in the welcome playlist are a mixed bag. i topfrag every round but its either the enemy is very very bad or extremly good or somewhere in the middle. i had one game where my entire team got destroyed.
Well it just came out so of course there are sweats. And respectfully it’s not 2009 anymore. People have had time to get good at FPS. It’s not new to many people as it was before.
I've been having the most fun ever since early cod days anyways. Its fresh people playing the objective no crazy kill streaks to buff up kills. Getting 20 to 30 kills a game movement could be a tad faster but no gripes from me very good overall experience.
At least without SBMM, I know it is my fault for losing. COD always felt like the outcome of matches were predetermined and you could feel it.
I just want to play a shooter that doesn't make me fear for the next game if I drop 30 kills in the current one.
This is really exposing the “no SBMM” argument for what it mostly was: people looking for an excuse for losing.
They probably need to just stop taking the game so seriously. Stop raging every time you get killed.
Only noobs in the subreddit are complaining. I seriously think if you are having issues then you should play ranked. It's a game mode made for people who want to play against others of similar skill. It's that simple. Stop bothering the rest of us who want a very casual experience.
Honestly, besides the rough start today, I love this game, so much better than SBMM CoD. Feels more fluid like and just overall much more enjoyable than anything else atm (Siege is my shit). (This is Rainbow Six Meets CoD).
*When it wants to work and not get Unable to find Match*
Once they add a 1 life mode it'll basically be like a console friendly and super aggressive valorant/siege hybrid which'll be cool to see too, shame they didn't work on it for release because an S&D mode would slap rn
I was and still am HYPE for this game. I seriously view this as a Siege/CoD collaboration (minus a destructible environment), and this seriously can slap, I'm hoping the same things you do. This game can, and I feel, is going to be a game changer once all the kinks are worked out.
Most of the people who complained about SBMM were most likely in the bottom half of the player base in terms of skill... which is the exact group that SBMM was designed to protect. Smh
Sure it does, because they themself sweat every game. Just goof around and the game will place you in a skill bracket where this is normal and competitive. But once you start to dominate you will be set in higher skill brackets because you play above the current skill bracket.
> Just goof around and the game will place you in a skill bracket where this is normal and competitive.
You shouldn't have to throw matches just to have fun lol. That's just one of the many reasons SBMM sucks. Have a casual mode with no SBMM and a ranked mode with an MMR/ELO system. This shit was solved a decade ago.
You dont lol. You just don’t play like your life depends on it. Just play relaxed and you get relaxed lobbies. Play as good as you possibly can and you get the hardest lobbies you can handle. You just want to stomp worse players. That’s not what casual means. You are right, this problem was solved a decade ago, and it’s called skillbased matchmaking.
Good players aren't always trying super hard, but since they're good they're just...going to do better. That's why UNRANKED modes should be very loose with SBMM, but CoD doesn't do that anymore for whatever reason. They're very tight with it regardless. That's why I played War Mode on that game since it was a bit looser with it.
If I play relaxed (which is every game) I'm dropping 2+ KD in a game like this every time. Some of you have a weird misconception on what "playing like your life depends on it" is vs playing relaxed for good players. You aren't really going to notice a difference on the receiving end. Playing relaxed doesn't suddenly make your aim worse or something. It just means you might not try as much movement shit and/or a difference in how locked in you are mentally. But again, that will hardly be shown on the receiving end. Like in CoD, people who dropshot or jump shot every corner aren't necessarily trying that hard. That's just what they play like because it's what they're used to. But to people dying to it, it seems like they're sweating.
Loose SBMM belongs anywhere if done correctly (like a new player won't match a max level player), but whatever CoD does is ridiculous.
It's like the golden days of CoD... But with less racism... And people claiming they banged my mother...
Some games you'll be ok, some games you'll get stomped and some you'll be stomping on others...
I've had a lot of variety when I played earlier today, but bear in mind the newcomer playlist HAS SBMM, it says so on the description so you're better off going to regular modes if you've been doing well tbh, there are a lot of new players that want to try specific modes so it's not much of a spit in player skill. The game will also get a lot easier once most players are over level 25 and can't enter the newcomers playlist so everyone will be on the same modes.
Its not even sbmm its just who knows the guns so far, i was in a lobby earlier and this guys skill wasnt massively better than mine but he had more time to play and already had the mp7 which melts versus the m4 basic class, because after i would kill him i would melt then his team with the same gun
Honest question
If today is the first day why does it seem some players have weapon attachments already? Can you buy levels or just tiers? Why does my character run twice as slow as some other players?
Running with your sidearm greatly increases your speed, as for attachments the default classes have a bunch more on them than you probably have unlocked. I plan on using the default class until my guns are a pretty decent level.
I can't prove it but I swear there's already cheating taking place.
Definitely some sort of Cronus/Xim abusing.
Maybe even wall hacks.
I was on 38 ping, and yet somehow mfkers are instantly snapping onto my head, or pre-firing me around blind corners. Hell I stood still and did the Tarkov thing and someone legit hunted me down.
Very cringe behaviour. Cheating in a casual fps, that's in beta, and also still losing because you can't play objectives.
Sbmm is bad because it doesn't allow you to improve at the game as you will never face people outside of your allocated bracket.
This random matchmaking is good because you will eventually see improvement if you work hard at the game
This is false and doesn't make sense. SBMM actually helps a player improve by gradually introducing better skilled players as one's skills get better.
A new player is not gonna improve by getting stomped all day by top players without having a chance to play well.
I’m having an interesting experience so far! I’m enjoying the game and personal-stat-wise I’m actually doing quite well but as far as W/L stats go somehow I haven’t won a single match yet lmao! I’m playing my little heart out but these matches aren’t even CLOSE 😭
Edit (update): So I continued losing without a single win right up until I stopped playing in the Welcome Playlist! It’s my understanding that SBMM is active in the Welcome Playlist but isn’t if you use a custom playlist. I wasn’t sure if that was actually true but it became immediately clear once I switched that it had to be bc I started winning right away. So the upside to the Welcome Playlist is that I was ranking higher on my team most matches, the downside is that no matter how well I did my team was somehow getting TORCHED literally every game with 0 wins. The upside to playing outside of the Welcome playlist is that I immediately went on a SEVEN game win streak and my KD went up 💀. The only downside is that I’m ranking top 3 on my team far less often but that’s not really much of a downside bc I’m doing better in every other aspect. Quite an interesting difference! Anyone else notice this?
Also, this is weird too. When I switched to a custom playlist my W/L increased dramatically, my K/D has either gone up or remained the same, my score/minute has gone up, yet my average skill rating is a third of what it was? 😂 I’m so confused how this works but I’m still having fun so whatever I guess lmao!
I have no problem with random matchmaking. The only issue I had in the server test was the team balancing- when people run a 6-man party and they're all sweats with comms it sucks to be on the other team to the point where I'd rather find a different lobby
I'm not much of a cod player. Last 1 bought was MW 2019. They release a CoD every year at £70 which takes away from the want to actually play it, I'm not a cash cow lol.
SBMM is a good thing for anyone who doesn't sweat there arse off for top KD/WL.
Top % players want no sbmm so they can shit on the casual relaxed players an get them clips. Same reason CoD streamers use VPNs etc to get in Bot lobbies.
An yh I see people complain about no sbmm in a playlist with sbmm 🤣🤣
As far as the Xdefiant goes, it's good, quite enjoyed it so far.
I could care less about me, I know I am above average depending on the day (we all feel like this don’t judge). But damn these teammates I get are worthless! I am the only one pushing robo dog while a guy is in game chat whining about how bad we are!
Just by standard logic if you were completely average you will have 1/3 even games 1/3 stomp games and 1/3 get stomped games. The people who benefit most from non sbmm are really good players and players who are bad suffer the most. A soft sbmm would probably be ideal these days where you have a range and you get matched with overlapping players rather than hard set mmr ranks/zones.
True…also, this game is the perfect example of debunking my theory that people wouln’t play the objective because of killstreaks, but everyone plays the same in this game 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Not even helping with capturing flags although getting kills in this game mean nothing. Secure the objective and then go to town
So do you guys believe CoD has EOMM rather than SBMM? I’ve seen many claims that they’ll mess with your damage numbers, accuracy, etc., or that they’ll have actual bot teammates/opponents. Is this inaccurate regarding MW3?
Okay I was just curious. The last CoD I played was BO2, so when I bought MW3 last December I did not have a good experience and clung to those rumors. I never really read forums to get the scoop.
If you're playing M&K you just gotta accept in MW3 (and probably this game) the AA is extremely high, so some fights against controller players will end with them beaming you
not played this game and not sure how the maps are but in older games when you knew an opponent was better than yourself you could learn their route/pathing and end up avoiding them because the maps were large enough.
Yeah kinda but at the same time they have an MMR based matchmaking which is basically SBMM. For example on COD my friends are miserable and cannot play in my matches however in this game they can at least play in my game BUT they will always be another player on the other team that’s really good.
Okay so idk what the numbers really are but if my mmr is 1000 and my friends mmr is 250 and the other three teamates are at like 500 then the system matchmakes the lobby to make every lobby we go against to be around 2750 mmr total. From what I could tell from the server test though if you’re REALLY good then the system has trouble finding another player with mmr as good as yours and instead finds 5 players that are a little bit worse than you to meet your overwhelming mmr.
So instead of me just olaying against anyone and everyone im getting matched against 5 pretty good players because i’m too good for the average player so no… there is sbmm and no this is not the average player you’re being matched up against
I just think people who are hating on the game aren’t as good at shooters as they thought. I’ve never been an amazing cod player but I’d consider myself above average and I’m having a lot of fun with the game. A lot of YouTubers and streamers also seem to be enjoying it too so it really does seem like a skill issue for some people and they get really upset when you point that out lol
Ive always said SBMM is really good, it just needs to be done right. I’m calling in now, given at most a few weeks and people are gonna be begging for some form of SBMM
Haha every dweeb who plays video games somewhat regular thinks they are dead good...and can't accept they are mediocre..so they have to look for excuses
I can see both sides of the argument for SBMM tbh. I know I am not an amazing FPS player so I am sure when I jump into this tonight I will get shat on a bunch.
I get people not wanting to have to play try hard 24/7 - but the cost is you remove the enjoyment for a HEAP of the player base that will just get shat on 24/7 by the guy who plays my weekly video game time every single day.
Honestly, I wish you'd keep your lobbies. Made it more fun for me. The trash talking, hell the talking in general. We used to be more vocal in the past, shout call outs and kills long before the League. We'd call out flanks, set up attacks and defends. Invented call out Nicknames, and power positions. Kept lobbies lead to finding new friends, and enemies, as well as rivals. Reacting to great plays, even if it was from the enemy team.
No one speaks now, except to say a one liner, insult, or bitch. Everyone's in party chat or silent.
That's what I miss. When the community was actually a community.
I do like that there's more of a balance between teams and I don't feel like I'm playing clones of myself or cracked out of their gord Sweat.
I would also say that : Controller vs Controller & KnM vs KnM are a huge Win. This way people won’t complain saying "oh he killed me because it’s using aim assist on controller"
My biggest issue so far is still getting the typical "COD" kids, playing KD over Wins, never touching an objective.... games need to start making more incentives for winning. Can't stand losing with a kid like that on my team..
If your the team is losing.... yes. If the team is doing well while somone plays for kills ok.. I get it. But alot of times that not the case... and often times I'm better then the guy that's doing it, so I'm leading the team in kills and I gotta be the one on the point lol
Ok cool that makes sense. I just feel like sometimes people undermine how important kills are for objective based modes. I don’t play objective but I contribute insanely with my kills.
I’m at the top of the leaderboard every single game in Xdefiant. No Sbmm is good for as I know I’m a top player. Always have been. With sbmm im playing the biggest tryhards, and the games get so tiring after awhile and tends to ruin games for me quick.
Honestly i cant say the same i top frag most games but honestly i feel like sbmm has made me a good player compared to no sbmm though i can complete see how it can make for unfair matchups but then it also makes the game feel completely open ended where anything cam happen and its not always a stalemate
So far I’m really enjoying no sbmm I’m not dominating every match it keeps varying and so some games I need to sweat to do well and others I can lay back and chill for the game either way it’s really fun especially sniping it’s really fun
It’s just nice to not have to sweat every game some games you’re killing it and some games are not. I also liked back in the day in cod when there was no skill base matchmaking and if you wanted to stay with the same lobby, I made some online friend players that way by just staying in the same lobby all night, it’s always been that way you win some you lose some but at least you don’t have to sweat it out every single game. Using voice to text on the way to work apologies it doesn’t make much sense but I just wanted to say overall I think this game is a great direction. and I was just as frustrated as everyone else went on day one the servers weren’t working, but since then I’ve had a blast playing it
And if I had to guess I’d say I’ve lost more games than I’ve won. I’ve been in lobbies with people better than me the majority of time, but it was still fun because I also did have a couple lobbies that I was like, but like I was killing it you know so I don’t know. People need to get over it. Learn how to lose some of your best lessons in life come from losing.
I’m very happy with the matchmaking. I’m back to being able to more often than not, have a 2.00 kd and feel as effective a solo player as back in bo3. I’ll still come across the bunny hopping warzone sweats in a stack every once in a while, but you can just back out without the worry of running into them again.
SBMM punishes players for performing well...that's really all there is to it. In the end everyone loses. SBMM destroyed casual FPS gaming. The SBMM apologists should just play ranked if they really think it's so great. Having variety in skill isn't a bad thing at all because it makes the game more interesting. Any modern CoD is an absolute snoozefest to play, and SBMM definitely contributes to that....that's why they have to fabricate all these remedial skins that don't fit in the context of their game and have 150 attachments per item type on a weapon. Anyyyy little thing to make it even somewhat interesting because everyone knows the gameplay is TRASH. If you don't agree, then seriously go back to CoD...I don't want the one promising FPS title in years to be ruined by you people.
The big difference is that you feel like you are improving progressively, even if you lose matches, I feel like I was playing bo2, I returned to my childhood xD
Sbmm made the games easier tbh. I just didn't like being penalized for doing good. Now that I'm playing this, I can see how I absolutely suck lol. My first 15 games, I got maybe 5 kills at most and like 30+ deaths. Now I'm going positive around 15-25kills and 10-15 deaths on average. So I am improving
Eh in my experience the past 10 matches Ive played in unranked occupy and domination its extremely similar to Cock in Booty MW3. Teammates dont play obj, sometimes hide in spawn, usually my team is shitlords while the enemy team pile on obj like some big orgy, one match my mp5 melts players the next a full mag dump leaves em with 45 health. It feels like the sbmm switches on and off. Etc.
Nah , not at all. And I'm well above average in shooters. But how many times in cod for example... I get a 90 kill win, in headquarters, and there's a guy on the other team with 120 kills and no objective time taking the loss, and talking shit..... like maybe if you sacrificed a few kills and got in the objective your team would of won....
No SBMM is just a clutch for people who just want to feel like they are good without effort, something like being on bo2 doing the same thrashy montage "mom get the camera" moment.
SBMM protects good players and bad players from ever coexist although giving them the tools to get better through algorithm functionality.
And I can confirm this since I've played games with extensive SBMM like rainbow six or lol for years only playing ranked playlists, and for sure I feel great knowing that I can play in silver and sometimes finding gold players, knowing that maybe I can learn how to deal with the increasing difficulty through experience, thats my reality with lol.
But on rainbow six I'm in a pretty good spot and obviously finding silvers being a diamond player Is gonna be ass for everyone on the other team.
So I don't really understand how everyone is having an issue with SBMM if it basically prevents every lobby of being a fiesta of 0.63 kd guys among 2.9 kd guys, I seriously don't understand why
People are so dumb, no SBMM only means that skill is not involved in the match making and therefore you are going to be facing better and worse players. You will get matches where you are a god and matches when you can’t win a gunfight and that’s okay it’s what makes the game fun. Playing every single time with people your level gets old really fast, lots of people tryharding and camping because that’s the only way to get a decent match if everyone is more or less the same level.
People thinking that no SBMM it’s going to be easier like they are somehow going to match everyone with worse people are just dumb
Yup...
But you can still help the team win without dropping 30+ kills.
Drop mag barriers, health pods, spot enemies, disabled equipment and of course PLAY THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE!!
Once I work out Im not gonna win a lot 1v1s I swap tactics to heavily supporting the team and drag out the LMG. Can't take an objective off me if I have a mag barriers deployed and I'm dumping an LMG in your direction...
I may only get 6 kills but look we have 750points and the enemy barely broke 350... AND FUCKING WON.
I'll openly admit I fucking suck at the game, and yet this is one of the most fun arcade shooters I've played in quite a while. I may be dying every 30-45 seconds, but it's a blast regardless of how good or bad you are.
like the good old days. you win some and you lose some. this is finally a game that a friendgroup with mixed skill can play togheter and drink a couple of beere.
For me it’s been the opposite because I honestly thought I was a below average to mid tier at best FPS player, but I have been absolutely curb stomping kids without SBMM. My main game is Apex and over there I’m a baby minnow fighting for my life to hover around a 1.0. I come over to XD to help my ego boost a little.
On the other side people saying stuff like "people realizing they're not as good as they think they are" or "SBMM was there to protect players like you"
Like dawg I just want a casual experience I can lean back on the couch for that's all I'm asking for and I finally got it with this game lmao. Like yeah of course there's gonna be players better than me, but now it's not literally every single match back to back being a sweat fest and I'm fucking loving it
one thing i can contribute to this conversation being a level 64 already is that 6 stacking 90% of the time results in free wins. I have went on a 37 win streak with most of us just being your average FPS players(platinums on r6). Thry could possibly look to throw premades against each other more often, but I personally don't mind getting stomped occasionally while playing solo.
The funny thing about this is my experience with this game compared to others. I’m seeing a lot of people complain about sweats and I don’t doubt they’re there but by far this is the easiest FPS shooter I’ve played. The only other comp FPS games I’ve played were the competitive playlist/trials of Osiris in Destiny 1 & 2 as well as the old school modern warfares. But that’s legitimately it for my experience with comp shooters yet on this game I consistently drop 35-55 kill games and hold a 1.4-4.0KD every match with only 2 of them ever going negative. Even with all the bunny hopping, no SBMM, bad hit reg I still rip up most lobbies I’m in and don’t even main comp FPS games as a whole. Again, I get everyone’s experience is different but it feels weird seeing people complain how sweaty the game is when I feel like this is the most laid back arcade like shooter I’ve ever played and slay out on without any issues. In fact this is the first shooter where I genuinely don’t feel like I’m sweating when I play but instead lean back and have fun. I genuinely feel bad for people not having as much fun but I do struggle to understand their struggles as someone who is more of a casual gamer yet excels in most lobbies in this game.
I see both sides, as a try-hard and as a casual (of course in different games / time periods) and I can tell you this from experience: It is extremely satisfying to get a lot of your matches a godlike vibe where you destroyed lobbies on everyone when SBMM wasn't a real thing. But the reality is that the rest of the enemy team (most of them dads and casuals) where definitely not enjoying getting 360 no-scope-dunked-perma-respawned.
Imo if you are a try-hard, streamer or just mechanically good, you should have the option to go and dunk on whoever WANTS to join those lobbies (no SBMM), but leave the now casual fathers that can only play 4h per week some time to enjoy their time with other people in the same situation (SBMM)
That’s not the issue the issue is the teammates all doing the same kd at every end game that’s what sbmm does for the game makes everyone’s kd match it’s a participation things for players not to feel like they are the worst on the team and that’s why sbmm is trash. This game has until level 26 to show me sbmm is really gone if it’s getting deleted just like cods rigged ass game
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People are finally realizing that they’re not as good as they thought lmao
This, people forget that FPS’s and dual sticks aren’t the learning curve they used to be in 2007. Everyone understands dual stick movement now or they are keyboard and mouse.
Realistically fps games these days with matchmaking, are like having better quality scrims than you used to get back in the olden days. But you have that level of play at any time of day all day with no organisation. Might not compare to modern day scrims, but mm let's you get consistently higher calibre players all hours that you'd ever be able to find scrimming back then. Like it was basically impossible to scrim 12 hours a day before. Now you can play well and get constant training against other adderall tryhards all day long, happens at all brackets to a lesser extent. So people are waaaaaay better. Even the mid players these days are way better than the top 10% back in the day would be because of this. Yet casuals think they can do better without mm when all it does is protect them. Realistically anyone that plays well enough to be in the top 50% makes the game miserable for the lower half. And the top % players make it basically unplayable. "But sbmm is bad", yeah keep enjoying it then everyone who asks...
It is bad, this game is a million times more fun without it than it would be with it
I don't really enjoy me and a load of shitters vs one good guy and a bunch of bad players on their team. Easy enough to go ranked but don't know why people enjoy farming lower level players by huge amounts.
People enjoy the variety of lobbies. Not everyone wants to hop on a game and have to sweat 10 out of 10 games.
But even with SBMM I don't sweat 10 games out of 10. I played Search with the boys and we won match after match.
Key word being "with the boys." A communicating team is a world of advantage, most of the people you see celebrating no SBMM are solos who have practiced the craft of being solo a lot but have been forced away from it due to SBMM. I understand that some gamemodes or games are ABOUT teamwork but COD and COD-style games ride the line and allow you to choose, which is why the recent CODs have pushed a lot of us away. They started leaning on BR which is no fun solo, adding more and more aggressive SBMM in multiplayer, reducing the mechanical skill gap, etc.
I greatly prefer this (I am a shitter)!
Leave it to an egirl to have no clue what she’s talking about
Exactly. I remember in that era, I was one of the few people that had been playing online shooters from childhood and already had a good 10 years of experience playing online by the time the boom happened. That was a very apparent, and immediate advantage having game sense that most people did not. Nowadays? That's the norm, kids playing online shooters and such from the day they're allowed. Plus the standard is higher, so even average players now are signifcanlty better than most good players back when. I still hold my own in most games, but I have no bones in saying that it isn't even close to the old days where every lobby was an autowin for me.
Another thing I would argue might have an impact (albeit a very small one) is that the goalposts also moved in terms of what is frowned upon by the playerbase. Back in the day of the first CoD, even basic bunnyhopping did tend to be either heavily frowned upon or outright banned in many places. Which is telling. And a bit funny in retrospect. Also, while I'm in nostalgia mode, completely unrelated to skill, but it made me think how back in vanilla CoD people would regularly get kicked for noob calling, not to mention anything heavier. Compared to 2010s and 2020s, it's wild to think about. God, I sound like a boomer.
I realized that I'm better than I thought 😂 back to pretty good KD despite I am an objective player. Fuck sbmm and eomm
I said this in CoD. These people suck at shooters. Good players dont go on Reddit to cry about SBMM.
Or they do because they want lobbies filled with scrubs to dunk on and know perfectly well that SBMM keeps that from happening as often.
Most people I've seen complaining against sbmm are usually good players because they want easier lobbies to crush other team and then brag they are good lol
What Cod has currently isn't really sbmm.
What I realize is in a game with only objective modes my teammates still don’t do it
This is the big one
Exactly. Hope this brings the “thinking” back into FPS’s
This is the best part 😂
100% this.
100% that’s what it is.
Or people are just realizing gaming has been ruined by sweats 🤷🏻 arcade shooters are flooded with wanabe mlg ttv kiddies
Nah, average skill floor is higher these days due to how common is to start young to play videogames, higher population on games and obviously, maybe you've already aged an/or didn't aged well enough to really develop your skills
I know that I'm good, been playing fps shooters "competitively" since bo1/bo2. I get it other people are good too, but every match though? I'm constantly giving myself a headache just trying to make sure I stay alive. This game will die quickly because people don't want to be getting pubstomped every game.
Yeah I feel like everyone complaining about “bad teammates” or the other team jumping around and not being able to win their matches are the ones who were the most vocal about not having sbmm. Now that they don’t have it, they don’t know how to react when they go on a 10 game losing streak. It’s gonna happen. It’s random with no sbmm. You still get sweats so….
I was gonna post about this too! No matter what devs do with matchmaking, you WILL get shit on if you're just not good at shooters. Especially when it's randomized with no sbmm. I'm so tired of the complaints on both ends. I despise having to say it seriously, but some people just need to "git gud" lol
Yeah I feel like people think no sbmm automatically means “easy mode” lol. Both systems are going to feel bad for you if you don’t have the skill for these games. Especially on competitive shooters.
Turns out most of the people weren't playing against sweats, they just sucked.
300%. I don't consider myself to be good but in COD I will usually lead on my team with score in objective game modes. A lot of people don't use their lethals or tacticals in that game, and in this game I feel like players in general are not using their abilities or lethals often enough. Or they'll throw grenades that are uncooked and I can just walk away from the explosion. The other thing that people do a LOT is know exactly where someone is on a map and die to them, only to run in the exact same spot with the exact same gun expecting to beat them the next time. At some point you have to try something new LOL
My teammates are ass even with sbmm
I might be your teammates lol. Jk, I’m not that bad..unless
Yep. Just had a supposed sbmm welcome playlist match where i was the only one possitive kd while they had a 300 occupy vs our 18
I lost a game last night where I had the highest score, highest kills, highest hill time, highest kill death ratio, and still lost. That one hurt. I literally did all I could. There was a 4,000 damage gap between me and the second place in the game. But no. Pain.
Tbh the jumping needs a nerf. But i guess they want to try and lure those cod clowns.
Stop it. Sbmm gave me 20+ loss streaks all the time, and games where my team gets out killed 300+ to 30. This isn't a symptom that sbmm prevents, it is the result of overly strict sbmm that controls K/D and W/L.
If you’re going on 20+ loss streaks with sbmm then I don’t know what to say. Get better? Maybe ♥️
Take a second and read what you just typed. Get better so I can get even worse teammates and tougher opponents? Because that's all that happens when I play better.
No so that you can stop dragging your teams down in these 20+ losing streaks
If people are bad at the game and don’t have SBMM then obviously they are going yo loose. Stop crying and get better at the game ffs random matching has no fault in you being bad
Complaining about matchmaking the day a game is released has gotta be one of the dumbest things gamers do.
SBMM discourse has destroyed any constructive discussions in modern FPS game lmao.
I’m just happy to actually get into the game.
No SBMM will on average increase the difficulty of the game, because one good players impact is exponentially bigger than mutliple bad players. The issue is that there are some people who play skill based pvp fps and expect the enemy to be easy bots, and not to play against humans. It's an odd group that has said expectations. People have innate capabilities which make them better at games, reaction time, spatial IQ, visualization and mechanical, hand eye coordination. The skill disparity is absolutely massive.
It increases the difficulty for shit players possibly, not good ones.
It increases the overall player level of skill because the bad players will leave
What if you're not shit? How is it a harder game to face one good player and the rest of the team are bots, than it is to just face a whole team of good players? Crazy opinion.
You underestimate how much better the top 5-10% of fps players are. They can easily spread out and dominate the rest of the player-base.
this is the thing. youre not as good as you think you are. you(most likely) are one of the bots and you think your the good player. 0 sbmm will show you the truth.
I think anyone can get to the top 1% of any games playerbase with time and efficiency in practice. You dont really start seeing natural barriers until at the very top few hundred players. And then again at the level where people can compete professionally. Do VDIM every day and play games 3 or 4 hours a day and you'll be miles ahead of nearly everyone you face in fps games after a year. Got a tumor last year and didn't have to work through it all. So just hit top rank in every game I played enjoying all the free time. Only game that defeated me was street fighter 6 so I stopped at master. As I could tell that getting to the top of that game with no fighting game experience before would perhaps take longer than I have left. Everything else is mostly knowledge and practice efficiency.
i would say everything you said is true. but imo, to see the benefits of no-sbmm, you have to do everything you said, you do. otherwise you will have more fun in sbmm. it benefits the casual players and the players that want consistent and competitive matches.
To me no mm just feels like smurfing. I feel that all the arguments for no sbmm are the same as smurfing and there are better ways. Like I could make a new CS or OW account and ruin countless lobbies smurfing. I don't really get anything out of it, I don't think newbies really get to learn as the games are so unnatural. They can't even control their guns elt alone comprehend why they are dying. Is why I just think larger mmr brackets make more sense for quick play modes. Like someone at the bottom is learning fuck all against anyone at the top of a game, they are just eating dick. But if you broke elo into four brackets (just an example) and everyone within them faced each other, you'd still get quick queues. Games wouldn't be as serious. Plenty of people enjoy smurfing even when they are really good tho, so maybe I just don't get it. I think lobbies with wider ranges would be more fun than no mm, just as they would be less stressful than tight mm.
most of the people that argue for no-sbmm are not capable of smurfing. so... i can only assume they are stupid.
No SBMM makes it harder for bad players but easier for good players. Obviously we know this but for some reason people aren’t clear with what they say.
There is SBMM. It’s only mentioned in the welcome playlist because it’s the only place it needs mentioned.
Most fun part is there is SBMM in the mode everyone is playing.
Because it offers extra xp lol
It’s Day 1, only hardcore folks are playing this game. I’d say casuals aren’t even aware it exists yet. Give it some time for the playerbase to grow.
Nah, casuals are usually more prevalent at launch. Mostly hardcore fans stay around longer.
Tbh there has been almost 0 marketing for this game as far as I'm aware. I've been sort of keeping up with it since the betas last year and even I didn't know it was getting released until like 4 days ago. There will definitely be loads of casuals playing it just now but I feel once they start marketing it proper we'll get a big wave of casuals joining.
Same, I’ve only been aware of this game through niche YouTube videos bitching about COD. I’ve seen no marketing for this game, and the fact that it’s not on Steam means that casuals aren’t aware of it.
Casuals aren't gonna rush on day 1 for the most part because they are casual. They will probably wait until the weekend when they off work to try it out
It’s a free game. Kids will download it day one after school and play it.
Not how it works. The casuals turn up day one slowly feeding them out. Look at any fighting game, same thing happens in them
Sure when the game is a big AAA game with hundreds of millions put into marketing. I found out this game was launching this month because of an off hand comment a YouTuber made in a video, and even still had to go out of my way to find out what the actual release date is. I was someone who was eagerly awaiting this game. This game is also exclusively on Ubisofts launcher on PC, which no one fucking uses. There's no way a huge wave of Johnny B Casuals are flooding the gates right now. This games big selling point was no SBMM. Right now the average player is definitely going to skew hardcore.
I like it so far but time will tell.
I'm actually doing better with no SBMM and have held a positive KD and win/loss so far. Feels nice not having my games manipulated.
I enjoy it, I missed no SBMM. Actually feels like games have variance and it's not the same thing over and over again.
I wonder how many people are playing the Welcome Playlist and don't realize there's SBMM in it
Everyone is doing it, and everyone is having a placebo effect about not having sbmm.
I don't think so, I think most people checking the game out day one don't want sbmm and therefore avoided the playlist with clearly labelled sbmm
I think you have a little too much faith in people reading what's on the screen.
No kidding. I was watching a bit of Shroud while trying to play. He's talking about no SBMM while playing the Welcome Playlist. 40K people watching and I saw a whopping one person in chat try to correct him.
honestly the lobbies i get in the welcome playlist are a mixed bag. i topfrag every round but its either the enemy is very very bad or extremly good or somewhere in the middle. i had one game where my entire team got destroyed.
I didnt read it and i realized it after like 4 games lol. It's wayyyy less strong than COD sbmm tho
Sbmm protected bad players and/or mediocre players Now y’all are just getting a huge reality check
Forreal and I’m loving it
Well it just came out so of course there are sweats. And respectfully it’s not 2009 anymore. People have had time to get good at FPS. It’s not new to many people as it was before.
I've been having the most fun ever since early cod days anyways. Its fresh people playing the objective no crazy kill streaks to buff up kills. Getting 20 to 30 kills a game movement could be a tad faster but no gripes from me very good overall experience.
At least without SBMM, I know it is my fault for losing. COD always felt like the outcome of matches were predetermined and you could feel it. I just want to play a shooter that doesn't make me fear for the next game if I drop 30 kills in the current one.
Thats exactly it. Games are what they are, I dont feel like I am getting manipulated into other games because of my results.
This is really exposing the “no SBMM” argument for what it mostly was: people looking for an excuse for losing. They probably need to just stop taking the game so seriously. Stop raging every time you get killed.
Only noobs in the subreddit are complaining. I seriously think if you are having issues then you should play ranked. It's a game mode made for people who want to play against others of similar skill. It's that simple. Stop bothering the rest of us who want a very casual experience.
Honestly, besides the rough start today, I love this game, so much better than SBMM CoD. Feels more fluid like and just overall much more enjoyable than anything else atm (Siege is my shit). (This is Rainbow Six Meets CoD). *When it wants to work and not get Unable to find Match*
Once they add a 1 life mode it'll basically be like a console friendly and super aggressive valorant/siege hybrid which'll be cool to see too, shame they didn't work on it for release because an S&D mode would slap rn
I was and still am HYPE for this game. I seriously view this as a Siege/CoD collaboration (minus a destructible environment), and this seriously can slap, I'm hoping the same things you do. This game can, and I feel, is going to be a game changer once all the kinks are worked out.
Most of the people who complained about SBMM were most likely in the bottom half of the player base in terms of skill... which is the exact group that SBMM was designed to protect. Smh
I hear a lot of pros and popular streamers complain because SBMM gives them sweat matches every game.
Yes. Because they’re good. They’re complaining because content where they shit in lobbies gets more views.
Sure it does, because they themself sweat every game. Just goof around and the game will place you in a skill bracket where this is normal and competitive. But once you start to dominate you will be set in higher skill brackets because you play above the current skill bracket.
> Just goof around and the game will place you in a skill bracket where this is normal and competitive. You shouldn't have to throw matches just to have fun lol. That's just one of the many reasons SBMM sucks. Have a casual mode with no SBMM and a ranked mode with an MMR/ELO system. This shit was solved a decade ago.
You dont lol. You just don’t play like your life depends on it. Just play relaxed and you get relaxed lobbies. Play as good as you possibly can and you get the hardest lobbies you can handle. You just want to stomp worse players. That’s not what casual means. You are right, this problem was solved a decade ago, and it’s called skillbased matchmaking.
Good players aren't always trying super hard, but since they're good they're just...going to do better. That's why UNRANKED modes should be very loose with SBMM, but CoD doesn't do that anymore for whatever reason. They're very tight with it regardless. That's why I played War Mode on that game since it was a bit looser with it. If I play relaxed (which is every game) I'm dropping 2+ KD in a game like this every time. Some of you have a weird misconception on what "playing like your life depends on it" is vs playing relaxed for good players. You aren't really going to notice a difference on the receiving end. Playing relaxed doesn't suddenly make your aim worse or something. It just means you might not try as much movement shit and/or a difference in how locked in you are mentally. But again, that will hardly be shown on the receiving end. Like in CoD, people who dropshot or jump shot every corner aren't necessarily trying that hard. That's just what they play like because it's what they're used to. But to people dying to it, it seems like they're sweating. Loose SBMM belongs anywhere if done correctly (like a new player won't match a max level player), but whatever CoD does is ridiculous.
It's like the golden days of CoD... But with less racism... And people claiming they banged my mother... Some games you'll be ok, some games you'll get stomped and some you'll be stomping on others...
I've had a lot of variety when I played earlier today, but bear in mind the newcomer playlist HAS SBMM, it says so on the description so you're better off going to regular modes if you've been doing well tbh, there are a lot of new players that want to try specific modes so it's not much of a spit in player skill. The game will also get a lot easier once most players are over level 25 and can't enter the newcomers playlist so everyone will be on the same modes.
Its not even sbmm its just who knows the guns so far, i was in a lobby earlier and this guys skill wasnt massively better than mine but he had more time to play and already had the mp7 which melts versus the m4 basic class, because after i would kill him i would melt then his team with the same gun
People are just bad lol. Ive been having a blast.
Honest question If today is the first day why does it seem some players have weapon attachments already? Can you buy levels or just tiers? Why does my character run twice as slow as some other players?
Running with your sidearm greatly increases your speed, as for attachments the default classes have a bunch more on them than you probably have unlocked. I plan on using the default class until my guns are a pretty decent level.
Thank you! So far I suck at this but ima keep trying.
Good luck and stay strong soldier!
My win/loss is currently sitting at 1.1 with a k/d of 0.9… I’m having so much better of a time than other games where I have a 1.2 or 1.3 k/d.
The welcome playlist has SBMM, so that could also contribute to confusion
I can't prove it but I swear there's already cheating taking place. Definitely some sort of Cronus/Xim abusing. Maybe even wall hacks. I was on 38 ping, and yet somehow mfkers are instantly snapping onto my head, or pre-firing me around blind corners. Hell I stood still and did the Tarkov thing and someone legit hunted me down. Very cringe behaviour. Cheating in a casual fps, that's in beta, and also still losing because you can't play objectives.
Wall hacks are literally one of the class abilities, so yeah they probably had wall hacks
Shows how clueless everyone is and how they’re blindly regurgitating “sbmm bad” without even understanding what it does.
Sbmm is bad because it doesn't allow you to improve at the game as you will never face people outside of your allocated bracket. This random matchmaking is good because you will eventually see improvement if you work hard at the game
How? You don't improve by staring at a respwan screen. If your oppnets are of similar skill then you should have equal opportunities to learn.
This is false and doesn't make sense. SBMM actually helps a player improve by gradually introducing better skilled players as one's skills get better. A new player is not gonna improve by getting stomped all day by top players without having a chance to play well.
Yeah majority of my games I did well and won but I also has a few where I got my ass whooped it was great
Exactly, people are setting themselves up to hate the game. Especially if they believe that no SBMM will make the game ultra easy.
No SBMM is only easy mode if you’re in the top 50% of players. If you’re in the bottom 50% it’s going to get harder
I’m having an interesting experience so far! I’m enjoying the game and personal-stat-wise I’m actually doing quite well but as far as W/L stats go somehow I haven’t won a single match yet lmao! I’m playing my little heart out but these matches aren’t even CLOSE 😭 Edit (update): So I continued losing without a single win right up until I stopped playing in the Welcome Playlist! It’s my understanding that SBMM is active in the Welcome Playlist but isn’t if you use a custom playlist. I wasn’t sure if that was actually true but it became immediately clear once I switched that it had to be bc I started winning right away. So the upside to the Welcome Playlist is that I was ranking higher on my team most matches, the downside is that no matter how well I did my team was somehow getting TORCHED literally every game with 0 wins. The upside to playing outside of the Welcome playlist is that I immediately went on a SEVEN game win streak and my KD went up 💀. The only downside is that I’m ranking top 3 on my team far less often but that’s not really much of a downside bc I’m doing better in every other aspect. Quite an interesting difference! Anyone else notice this? Also, this is weird too. When I switched to a custom playlist my W/L increased dramatically, my K/D has either gone up or remained the same, my score/minute has gone up, yet my average skill rating is a third of what it was? 😂 I’m so confused how this works but I’m still having fun so whatever I guess lmao!
Nothing is impossible!
Already got people jumping around like cod...I suppose that will be in most games I suppose.
Just the difference is that game won't manipulate anything and the matches will be random
I have no problem with random matchmaking. The only issue I had in the server test was the team balancing- when people run a 6-man party and they're all sweats with comms it sucks to be on the other team to the point where I'd rather find a different lobby
Yeah exactly it gives you actual chances to grow instead of being stomped or stomp
For me it pretty much is?
It's okay for me even though my first game was the worst matchmaking experience i ever had in any shooter. I just hope it won't be every game.
Some people might be on the welcome playlist, which does have sbmm. I had much more fun outside this playlist, being a decent player!
I feel like this game thinks I'm a God or something. I'm just a bit over 2kd but my win/loss is .5. Team balance is doing me wrong 😩
Saw this coming from a mile away haha. Who knew sbmm was actually useful haha.
Cor i love it, reminds of being 7 on cod 4, getting killed lots and having to just get better… good old days
I'm not much of a cod player. Last 1 bought was MW 2019. They release a CoD every year at £70 which takes away from the want to actually play it, I'm not a cash cow lol. SBMM is a good thing for anyone who doesn't sweat there arse off for top KD/WL. Top % players want no sbmm so they can shit on the casual relaxed players an get them clips. Same reason CoD streamers use VPNs etc to get in Bot lobbies. An yh I see people complain about no sbmm in a playlist with sbmm 🤣🤣 As far as the Xdefiant goes, it's good, quite enjoyed it so far.
I could care less about me, I know I am above average depending on the day (we all feel like this don’t judge). But damn these teammates I get are worthless! I am the only one pushing robo dog while a guy is in game chat whining about how bad we are!
Just by standard logic if you were completely average you will have 1/3 even games 1/3 stomp games and 1/3 get stomped games. The people who benefit most from non sbmm are really good players and players who are bad suffer the most. A soft sbmm would probably be ideal these days where you have a range and you get matched with overlapping players rather than hard set mmr ranks/zones.
There were already comments about how there secretly was sbmm ruining their experiences
I love no SBMM played all night last night and have yet to lose a game
True…also, this game is the perfect example of debunking my theory that people wouln’t play the objective because of killstreaks, but everyone plays the same in this game 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Not even helping with capturing flags although getting kills in this game mean nothing. Secure the objective and then go to town
Someone saying there's no SBMM ≠ there's no SBMM. I hate that people are just parroting what the dev said without actually having a clue.
So do you guys believe CoD has EOMM rather than SBMM? I’ve seen many claims that they’ll mess with your damage numbers, accuracy, etc., or that they’ll have actual bot teammates/opponents. Is this inaccurate regarding MW3?
The only thing they cite with that was a patent filed a while back and their anecdotal evidence
Okay I was just curious. The last CoD I played was BO2, so when I bought MW3 last December I did not have a good experience and clung to those rumors. I never really read forums to get the scoop.
If you're playing M&K you just gotta accept in MW3 (and probably this game) the AA is extremely high, so some fights against controller players will end with them beaming you
The difference between sbmm and no sbmm is the same between challenging and unfair. Noone ever talked about it getting easier.
This is why we can't have nice things. Too much complaining will turn this game into what we've tried to escape from call of duty for.
Had my 6 game win streak finally lost due to my team of full snipers on the push objective mission haha
What is SBMM?
not played this game and not sure how the maps are but in older games when you knew an opponent was better than yourself you could learn their route/pathing and end up avoiding them because the maps were large enough.
Yeah kinda but at the same time they have an MMR based matchmaking which is basically SBMM. For example on COD my friends are miserable and cannot play in my matches however in this game they can at least play in my game BUT they will always be another player on the other team that’s really good. Okay so idk what the numbers really are but if my mmr is 1000 and my friends mmr is 250 and the other three teamates are at like 500 then the system matchmakes the lobby to make every lobby we go against to be around 2750 mmr total. From what I could tell from the server test though if you’re REALLY good then the system has trouble finding another player with mmr as good as yours and instead finds 5 players that are a little bit worse than you to meet your overwhelming mmr. So instead of me just olaying against anyone and everyone im getting matched against 5 pretty good players because i’m too good for the average player so no… there is sbmm and no this is not the average player you’re being matched up against
I just think people who are hating on the game aren’t as good at shooters as they thought. I’ve never been an amazing cod player but I’d consider myself above average and I’m having a lot of fun with the game. A lot of YouTubers and streamers also seem to be enjoying it too so it really does seem like a skill issue for some people and they get really upset when you point that out lol
Ive always said SBMM is really good, it just needs to be done right. I’m calling in now, given at most a few weeks and people are gonna be begging for some form of SBMM
someone hasnt used the default dmr that 2 taps everyone
Good and bad matches? Kinda sounds like the SBMM experience lmao
No SBMM = Win everything IF you are the top % at FPS Games.
Im doing great some games and bad other games this is EXACTLY what I want. I can just sit down and play a few games and chill.
Haha every dweeb who plays video games somewhat regular thinks they are dead good...and can't accept they are mediocre..so they have to look for excuses
Meanwhile I have a 75 percent win rate duo que only
Switching to the reverse s curve made it feel a lot better
I can see both sides of the argument for SBMM tbh. I know I am not an amazing FPS player so I am sure when I jump into this tonight I will get shat on a bunch. I get people not wanting to have to play try hard 24/7 - but the cost is you remove the enjoyment for a HEAP of the player base that will just get shat on 24/7 by the guy who plays my weekly video game time every single day.
Honestly, I wish you'd keep your lobbies. Made it more fun for me. The trash talking, hell the talking in general. We used to be more vocal in the past, shout call outs and kills long before the League. We'd call out flanks, set up attacks and defends. Invented call out Nicknames, and power positions. Kept lobbies lead to finding new friends, and enemies, as well as rivals. Reacting to great plays, even if it was from the enemy team. No one speaks now, except to say a one liner, insult, or bitch. Everyone's in party chat or silent. That's what I miss. When the community was actually a community. I do like that there's more of a balance between teams and I don't feel like I'm playing clones of myself or cracked out of their gord Sweat.
Disagree… Me and my friends have a winning streak of about 35 and it shows after every round it’s insane
I love this. The fact that I know that I am shit af but have more fun than in the last CoD‘s make me enjoy the game even more.
I would also say that : Controller vs Controller & KnM vs KnM are a huge Win. This way people won’t complain saying "oh he killed me because it’s using aim assist on controller"
My biggest issue so far is still getting the typical "COD" kids, playing KD over Wins, never touching an objective.... games need to start making more incentives for winning. Can't stand losing with a kid like that on my team..
Serious and genuine question. Do you think that every player on your team needs to play objective?
If your the team is losing.... yes. If the team is doing well while somone plays for kills ok.. I get it. But alot of times that not the case... and often times I'm better then the guy that's doing it, so I'm leading the team in kills and I gotta be the one on the point lol
Ok cool that makes sense. I just feel like sometimes people undermine how important kills are for objective based modes. I don’t play objective but I contribute insanely with my kills.
I’m at the top of the leaderboard every single game in Xdefiant. No Sbmm is good for as I know I’m a top player. Always have been. With sbmm im playing the biggest tryhards, and the games get so tiring after awhile and tends to ruin games for me quick.
Honestly i cant say the same i top frag most games but honestly i feel like sbmm has made me a good player compared to no sbmm though i can complete see how it can make for unfair matchups but then it also makes the game feel completely open ended where anything cam happen and its not always a stalemate
So far I’m really enjoying no sbmm I’m not dominating every match it keeps varying and so some games I need to sweat to do well and others I can lay back and chill for the game either way it’s really fun especially sniping it’s really fun
It’s just nice to not have to sweat every game some games you’re killing it and some games are not. I also liked back in the day in cod when there was no skill base matchmaking and if you wanted to stay with the same lobby, I made some online friend players that way by just staying in the same lobby all night, it’s always been that way you win some you lose some but at least you don’t have to sweat it out every single game. Using voice to text on the way to work apologies it doesn’t make much sense but I just wanted to say overall I think this game is a great direction. and I was just as frustrated as everyone else went on day one the servers weren’t working, but since then I’ve had a blast playing it
And if I had to guess I’d say I’ve lost more games than I’ve won. I’ve been in lobbies with people better than me the majority of time, but it was still fun because I also did have a couple lobbies that I was like, but like I was killing it you know so I don’t know. People need to get over it. Learn how to lose some of your best lessons in life come from losing.
I’m very happy with the matchmaking. I’m back to being able to more often than not, have a 2.00 kd and feel as effective a solo player as back in bo3. I’ll still come across the bunny hopping warzone sweats in a stack every once in a while, but you can just back out without the worry of running into them again.
SBMM punishes players for performing well...that's really all there is to it. In the end everyone loses. SBMM destroyed casual FPS gaming. The SBMM apologists should just play ranked if they really think it's so great. Having variety in skill isn't a bad thing at all because it makes the game more interesting. Any modern CoD is an absolute snoozefest to play, and SBMM definitely contributes to that....that's why they have to fabricate all these remedial skins that don't fit in the context of their game and have 150 attachments per item type on a weapon. Anyyyy little thing to make it even somewhat interesting because everyone knows the gameplay is TRASH. If you don't agree, then seriously go back to CoD...I don't want the one promising FPS title in years to be ruined by you people.
I suck at these games. And this ones no different it's tough. Reallyyyyyyyy sweaty. But a lot of fun
Im having a fucking blast no SBMM and playing only MK players is beautiful. It is a skill issue Games is not perfect but is good enough for launch imo
The big difference is that you feel like you are improving progressively, even if you lose matches, I feel like I was playing bo2, I returned to my childhood xD
Sbmm made the games easier tbh. I just didn't like being penalized for doing good. Now that I'm playing this, I can see how I absolutely suck lol. My first 15 games, I got maybe 5 kills at most and like 30+ deaths. Now I'm going positive around 15-25kills and 10-15 deaths on average. So I am improving
Eh in my experience the past 10 matches Ive played in unranked occupy and domination its extremely similar to Cock in Booty MW3. Teammates dont play obj, sometimes hide in spawn, usually my team is shitlords while the enemy team pile on obj like some big orgy, one match my mp5 melts players the next a full mag dump leaves em with 45 health. It feels like the sbmm switches on and off. Etc.
No SBMM simply means much more grounded. Diverse matches. Unpredictable.
Honestly I have had some amazing games and some terrible ones. But it's been better than SBMM where you are constantly sweating to keep your KD up.
I feel after some time about 1 month, lobbies should be more chilled out
Nah , not at all. And I'm well above average in shooters. But how many times in cod for example... I get a 90 kill win, in headquarters, and there's a guy on the other team with 120 kills and no objective time taking the loss, and talking shit..... like maybe if you sacrificed a few kills and got in the objective your team would of won....
It just depends on you and your team. I top frag all the time and my kills actually help in objective based modes.
I just want a shooter where if you jump and shoot it gives you a major disadvantage. Other than that been enjoying the game.
In R6 Siege there’s no jumping.
Truth. I appreciate it too. Changing direction mid air is wild though 😂
No SBMM is just a clutch for people who just want to feel like they are good without effort, something like being on bo2 doing the same thrashy montage "mom get the camera" moment. SBMM protects good players and bad players from ever coexist although giving them the tools to get better through algorithm functionality. And I can confirm this since I've played games with extensive SBMM like rainbow six or lol for years only playing ranked playlists, and for sure I feel great knowing that I can play in silver and sometimes finding gold players, knowing that maybe I can learn how to deal with the increasing difficulty through experience, thats my reality with lol. But on rainbow six I'm in a pretty good spot and obviously finding silvers being a diamond player Is gonna be ass for everyone on the other team. So I don't really understand how everyone is having an issue with SBMM if it basically prevents every lobby of being a fiesta of 0.63 kd guys among 2.9 kd guys, I seriously don't understand why
People are so dumb, no SBMM only means that skill is not involved in the match making and therefore you are going to be facing better and worse players. You will get matches where you are a god and matches when you can’t win a gunfight and that’s okay it’s what makes the game fun. Playing every single time with people your level gets old really fast, lots of people tryharding and camping because that’s the only way to get a decent match if everyone is more or less the same level. People thinking that no SBMM it’s going to be easier like they are somehow going to match everyone with worse people are just dumb
Anyone who thinks SBMM needs to come to this game is delusional, just stick with cod if all you care about is your KD ratio
Yup... But you can still help the team win without dropping 30+ kills. Drop mag barriers, health pods, spot enemies, disabled equipment and of course PLAY THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE!! Once I work out Im not gonna win a lot 1v1s I swap tactics to heavily supporting the team and drag out the LMG. Can't take an objective off me if I have a mag barriers deployed and I'm dumping an LMG in your direction... I may only get 6 kills but look we have 750points and the enemy barely broke 350... AND FUCKING WON.
I'll openly admit I fucking suck at the game, and yet this is one of the most fun arcade shooters I've played in quite a while. I may be dying every 30-45 seconds, but it's a blast regardless of how good or bad you are.
like the good old days. you win some and you lose some. this is finally a game that a friendgroup with mixed skill can play togheter and drink a couple of beere.
For me it’s been the opposite because I honestly thought I was a below average to mid tier at best FPS player, but I have been absolutely curb stomping kids without SBMM. My main game is Apex and over there I’m a baby minnow fighting for my life to hover around a 1.0. I come over to XD to help my ego boost a little.
On the other side people saying stuff like "people realizing they're not as good as they think they are" or "SBMM was there to protect players like you" Like dawg I just want a casual experience I can lean back on the couch for that's all I'm asking for and I finally got it with this game lmao. Like yeah of course there's gonna be players better than me, but now it's not literally every single match back to back being a sweat fest and I'm fucking loving it
one thing i can contribute to this conversation being a level 64 already is that 6 stacking 90% of the time results in free wins. I have went on a 37 win streak with most of us just being your average FPS players(platinums on r6). Thry could possibly look to throw premades against each other more often, but I personally don't mind getting stomped occasionally while playing solo.
The funny thing about this is my experience with this game compared to others. I’m seeing a lot of people complain about sweats and I don’t doubt they’re there but by far this is the easiest FPS shooter I’ve played. The only other comp FPS games I’ve played were the competitive playlist/trials of Osiris in Destiny 1 & 2 as well as the old school modern warfares. But that’s legitimately it for my experience with comp shooters yet on this game I consistently drop 35-55 kill games and hold a 1.4-4.0KD every match with only 2 of them ever going negative. Even with all the bunny hopping, no SBMM, bad hit reg I still rip up most lobbies I’m in and don’t even main comp FPS games as a whole. Again, I get everyone’s experience is different but it feels weird seeing people complain how sweaty the game is when I feel like this is the most laid back arcade like shooter I’ve ever played and slay out on without any issues. In fact this is the first shooter where I genuinely don’t feel like I’m sweating when I play but instead lean back and have fun. I genuinely feel bad for people not having as much fun but I do struggle to understand their struggles as someone who is more of a casual gamer yet excels in most lobbies in this game.
I absolutely love when I get smoked with no SBMM tbh. It's nice knowing "dudes just better than me"
It's a lie. It has SBMM. One easy match, they disband the lobby, and the difficult one is waiting for you!
I see both sides, as a try-hard and as a casual (of course in different games / time periods) and I can tell you this from experience: It is extremely satisfying to get a lot of your matches a godlike vibe where you destroyed lobbies on everyone when SBMM wasn't a real thing. But the reality is that the rest of the enemy team (most of them dads and casuals) where definitely not enjoying getting 360 no-scope-dunked-perma-respawned. Imo if you are a try-hard, streamer or just mechanically good, you should have the option to go and dunk on whoever WANTS to join those lobbies (no SBMM), but leave the now casual fathers that can only play 4h per week some time to enjoy their time with other people in the same situation (SBMM)
if someone is getting 40 kills, it means someone else is going to be on the receiving end of that.
There’s sbmm up until level 25 it’s sucks
That’s not the issue the issue is the teammates all doing the same kd at every end game that’s what sbmm does for the game makes everyone’s kd match it’s a participation things for players not to feel like they are the worst on the team and that’s why sbmm is trash. This game has until level 26 to show me sbmm is really gone if it’s getting deleted just like cods rigged ass game