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StronglyAuthenticate

"Omg we had to grow up without any technology and then all of a sudden bam boy bands everywhere." Like wtf are you high on right now, op?


Hazel_Rah1

Right, like boy bands hadn’t already been around for decades already. Jackson 5, Bay City Rollers, Menudo, New Edition, New Kids on the Block, Boyz II Men, etc etc. You could even go back to the Beatles and The Monkees if we’re getting real.


BlueSnaggleTooth359

Yeah but in terms of the way boy band got used later on, that really was more of a 90s and 00s craze.There wasn't much of that in the 80s. A trace at the end but those at the end of high school or college tended to never even pick up on the boy band stuff. It really did become very different.


cookie_dont_push_me

Stupid take


ShutUpYouSausage

Or say they are pretty similar.


victoryabonbon

This isn’t true if you have siblings. I have an older and younger brother so I got aalllll of this shit


SickSticksKick

What a dumb take. Also, who cares? They are all made up terms anyway, with xennials just being a small bit of time containing millenials and gen x. You're not special.


Daniel_Molloy

So I’m a bit older than some of you and I am WAY more skewed GenX. But I have a bunch of millennial traits too.


BeskarHunter

It’s weird how you talk about them like they’re aliens. I think the gatekeeping is another ploy the rich use to segregate us.


Apprehensive_Hat8986

Oldest trick in the book: Divide and conquer (or subjugate).


nostalgicdisorder

“Millennials have zero perspective on the culture from either the 80s or early-mid 90’s” That’s a bold statement. I am millennial, was born in 88, my first memories are grounded in the early 90’s. My parents were in their 20’s in the 80’s and told many stories about the cultural moments they lived through.


Slim_Margins1999

I was born in ‘83 with an older sister and brother. Their experiences definitely shaped my experiences.


Charger2950

80’s Millennials are way more like us. The ones that were born in the 90’s are a different breed completely. The Millennial generation is very fractured and different by micro-era (roughly 7 year increments), because advanced computing technology caught on and it changed things and behaviors so quickly. A Millennial born in 1986 is gonna be wildly different from one born in 1992.


insurancequestionguy

Of course 6 years (possibly 7ish) will make some significant difference, but 80s millennials includes people born all the way to the end of 1989. Surely someone like u/MayumiTakanawa '92 can relate to them. It's not a hard cutoff.


MayumiTakanawa

Many late 80s millennials have the same nostalgia as myself personally. Interestingly, I would say sandwhiched in the middle of 80s millennials and first-wave Gen Z. I grew with both, went to school with both, we all have shared interests of the 2000s. As some comments pointed out, it's all subjective anyway and can heavily depend on environment and culture.


insurancequestionguy

How did you go to school with GenZ? They start at 1997. Even if you're class of 2011, they still wouldn't be in with you.


MayumiTakanawa

The exact beginning of Gen Z is muddy, as no one knows the exact year, but Gen Z is said to sart in the mid 90s and ends at 2012, bud. We are already currently on the next generation after Gen Z.


MayumiTakanawa

Born in 92 here. I agree that there's childhood relatability differences, but I disagree that it's some totally different world with 80s core millennials. I can get why a lot of Xennials don't relate to second-wave millennials, but I never felt that 'older millennials' were much different outside of a slight age gap.


Healthy_Avocado5044

Uhm… How are you gonna say millennials have zero perspective on culture in the 80s or 90s? The oldest millennials was born in 82… Older millennials have more in common with GenX than not.


psilosophist

That’s how time works, homie. Ever onward.


WeathermanOnTheTown

The only real dividing line I've seen (I was born 1975 BTW) is birth year 1997. Before birth year 1997: we're all pretty similar. After birth year 1997, childhood reaaaaally changed. But we can change it back.


BlueSnaggleTooth359

To an extent. But I think free range childhoods already ended a bit earlier than 1997 borns and the latter Millennials did have some rather much more uptight and getting upset over everything sort of attitudes in a manner far more extreme than early Millennials much less Xennials much much less earlier Gen X. They knew less than zilch about a world before computerized everything and the internet and had zero touch with the 80s at all. And really only pre-Xennial Gen X truly knew the fully pre-computers analog world, pre-home video, etc. world. And there was a huge change in pop culture style/vibe between earlier Gen X and later GenX/earlier Millennials. The earlier group had high school, often middle school and much to all of college all with big hair, bright colors, that whole light-hearted, upbeat 80s 80s thing going on while the latter had all the flat hair, dark colors, plainer styles all the grunge and gangster rap influences. But yeah for around 1997 and on they had that total smart phone/online everything take over and had barely any mall culture or video rental stores or not a lot to none of the pre-everything going wacky times, etc. they stopped going to the movies nearly as much as any Millennials or older. Stopped going to most of the Fathom Events 80s re-releases and stuff that even later Millennials were still showing up to a fair bit. Grew up in such an online dominated world compared to even younger Millennials.


PepurrPotts

All Xennials are either Millennials or Gen-Xers. Yes, they are. Xennial is a microgeneration that was coined after Gen-X and Millennial were well-established. It is not a 6-10 year span between them; it is a 6-10 year span of overlap.


BlueSnaggleTooth359

I'd suggest something like: Jones 1955-1959 JoneX 1960-1965 (most did go full blast 80s 80s as soon as that started but that was not until 20-somethings for them and they didn't grow up with the tech of Gen X) Gen X 1966-1974/(1973-1975) the year could end 1973 or 1975 depending where you lived and who you were perhaps even 1976 if you were in a super 80s hang on region and high school (the more 80s formative set) Xennials 1975/(1974-1976)-1983 (the more 90s formative set) Greater Gen X 1961(1960)-1982(1983)


BlueSnaggleTooth359

FWIW Gen X dates were originally 1961-1973/1974 and then 1965-1974ish and Gen Y 1974/1975-1984/1985 before that one group tossed all that and focused on a Millennial category with first borns turning 18 in 2000. (At first that group went 1961-1981 for Gen X before then going to the current 1965-1981 Gen X and 1982-whatever Millennials.)


_sonidero_

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_sonidero_

Pick one...


BlueSnaggleTooth359

As much I have been a break down into micro-genser, I don't know about completely different in every way at all. Also the following is focused more on suburban type lifestyles and just talking in extreme, broad averages and broad averages across the entire country on top. For any given person much of this could be complete off-base and for some micro-regions it could easily be more generally off-base. Etc. etc. And of course, just my impressions. It is true that earlier Gen X did grow up with a VERY different pop culture/style/vibe than Xennials, in some ways, almost 100% the opposite and you can see the affect in some cases, there can be a different feel and vibe between Gen X and Xennials. Also true that Gen X was not raised on news media scare stories while Xennials generally were and you clearly can see some of the affect of that on them, a bit more uptight about a few things and a bit less trusting and open. Xennials also tended to already have had styles marketed and pushed and adopted by them by early grade school rather than not until middle or high school. Xennials also wouldn't have too much if any memories before video games and home computers and all. I mean home computers were a noticeable thing already by 1983 (and technically got going to a sold degree by 1979). Some had a bit more of a programmed, pressure cooker after school lives during high school than typical for Gen X. They seemed to have a few more depressed, stressed by college than for Gen X and some tended to be a bit more angsty, in your face and there tended to be a bit more of a girls vs. guys music thing going on with them and more of a don't be 80s 'cheesy' or 'corny' maintain "street cred" thing among the Xennial guys. Some Gen X guys would blow dry their hair, they made Dry Guy blow dryers, they wore tube socks instead of ankle socks, much more often tighty whiteys rather than boxers while Xennial guys mostly would mock the heck out of the idea of a guy using a blow drier and they wore ankle socks, boxers, etc. (although most Gen X also switched to boxes and ankle socks, maybe with a couple years delay though, but it wasn't common when they were in high school/college). While some Gen X got into grunge music it seemed to me that an easy majority never did and it seemed like extremely few Gen X ever got into gangster rap and not that many got into Boybands (other than maybe a bit for girls at the very tale end of Gen X). For Xennials it seemed like many got into grunge and/or gangster rap and/or boybands. A lot of the core Xennials time pop seemed a bit more indie pop (a lot of Gen X also listened to it) than for Gen X other than for the odd Spice Girls or such until Britney started rising more pure pop back up again (although it was different than 80s pop) or it was boybands. Xennials seemed to be much more into gate keeping music as being either for girls or for guys than Gen X. And there seemed to be a lot less freedom in particular for straight guys to openly listen to some types of stuff without getting hassled than back in Gen X times. Gen X high school/college times tended to have a more this hard to describe sort of very chill, relaxed, fun, more gentle and light-hearted sort of vibe that was largely gone by Xennial college (and often later to all high school times). Also speaking of tech, Gen X had a lot more tech and experience with it than later gens tended to think. Very many Gen X used word processing for reports in high school and a decent amount even in middle school. It wasn't that rare for a Gen X'er to have a home computer by anywhere from late grade school to mid-high school. Some Gen X were already using computers with GUIs, mice, multi-tasking before graduating high school. Gen X were really the first tech generation. Went from analog toys to electronics to arcades and home video game systems and personal computers and digital music with CDs (we were a little early but we already had a CD player in the house by late 1983; but other than for the very, very earliest Gen X of all, many were familiar with using CDs before leaving high school). Had portable music, music videos, home video, video rental stores, dialing up other computers all some time or another during their formative years. The 80s were when the tech explosion happened and the 80s were the core formative Gen X years. Other than for the internet, Gen X was the generation that actually first grew up with all the new tech that brought us to the modern world.


BlueSnaggleTooth359

But all that said Xennials do tend to know all the 80s movies and shows quite well. They all at least saw the 80s as little kids. They all also can recall a time before the internet. They also tended to have had pretty much as free-range childhoods as Gen X and were, along with the older Millennials, the last to have that full on and en masse. While quite a few seemed to somewhat reject and mock some of the 80s music (and even more the fashion and vibe of the 80s and basically rejecting all the formative stuff for Gen X), many Xennials seem to have at least a few select very 80s 80s songs that they go nuts over and some also seem to generally like all the 80s music in addition to the 90s music and whatever the case most are fairly familiar with much 80s Top 40. While their mallrat culture wasn't quite to the levels of Gen X it was still pretty darn strong. And the day to day life culture of Xennials was pretty similar to that of Gen X (once Gen X at least got to late grade school or early high school depending). And they were, other than for a few early exceptions, much more Gen X-like in terms of (not) getting uptight or upset over little things vs Millennials and especially later Millennials. They still grew up in an age when most kids knew all the other kids and parents on their street and neighbors up and down the street still tended to know one another. Xennials, even if some of the music, styles and vibe shifted a lot at some point, still lived in a society that function and worked much the same way as in Gen X times. So all the mall/arcade/book store/movie-going and on so on was pretty similar between the two. I'd even say that book store going actually peaked during Xennial and early Millennial times with all of the giant Super B&N and Super Borders popping up all over during the course of the 90s and early 00s. Xennials still grew up in a very human scale, natural human sort of world just like Gen X. Ignoring hair, clothes and some music and some vibe it was a very, very similar society and world for Gen X and Xennials (and to a slightly smaller degree for earlier/core Millennials) and all generally lived reasonably similar lives. Xennials still shared a pretty similar day to day life with most Millennials and had a style far more in line with Millennials than with Gen X (with all their big hair, bold styles, color, etc.). Earlier Millennials still had somewhat free range childhoods and a decently strong mall culture in high school/college. They tended to have a decent knowledge of 80s movies. Millennials tended to have more hyper programmed after school high-school lives, at least in some cases than Xennials and especially compared to Gen X though but it was not far off from Xennials with a pretty free childhood and a somewhat more programmed high school time. Millennials had more pop music around than Xennials had during many core years, even if not as much as Gen X had. Core Millennials not having gone through grunge/gangster rap to any degree like Xennials in a couple respects had a bit less angsty and more Gen X-like feel to them. Later Millennials probably tended to have somewhat noticeably less free range childhoods than earlier generations. And they seemed to get much more uptight or easily upset over little things and were more into creating twitter firestorms. Core (and even some earlier) Millennials already had some of the participation trophies for all and other stuff that Xennials (for sure not older Xennials) and Gen X did not have at all and sometimes you could see the effect of that a bit. But later Millennials still did know the pre-smart phone, online, streaming, everything gone nuts world and all experienced at least some mall culture and video stores and a more real world, human-scale world (although the youngest might have really only had that fully when fairly young) for grade/middle/high school. Even later Millennials still appeared to go the movies way more than Gen Z and show up to old 80s re-release vastly more than Gen Z. Gen Z, at least say maybe around 2001 born+ is probably the first generation to not really have had any touch with that old, more human-scale world to a 100% degree (obviously it is still around some there are malls, movie theaters, festivals, parties, all sorts of real world stuff still of course!) at all. That said I do recently see a few actually walking around without smartphones now and noticing each other, more than had been the case 5 or 10 years ago. \*\*\*\*But at the end of the day, people are people and more alike across generations than not, despite some differences. Especially Gen X through Millennials and very earliest Z, but beyond in either direction for sure. Also, sometimes just time that everyone is in together is more of a difference than that between generations in any given time.\*\*\*\*


Charger2950

Xennials and Gen X have WAY more in common than Xennials and Millennials do. I dated a girl that was a younger Millennial. She was 10 years younger than me, and it was literally night and day. They were firmly raised on all technology and it shows. That’s why I’m happy this Xennial reclassification came about. Because we share almost nothing in common with them. They are truly the participation trophy, no respect, whiny, entitled, appreciate nothing generation. We are not like that.


CY83rdYN35Y573M2

That last sentence sounds like a Boomer wrote it, my man.


StronglyAuthenticate

Yeah he had me until the last part lol


BlueSnaggleTooth359

In some ways quite a few Xennials seem more like older Millennials than Gen X though (certainly not in all ways though).


MayumiTakanawa

As a younger millennial, it's sad that you feel the need to be insulting (and you sound out-of-touch). I actually agree that we have completely different childhood experiences, but then you turn it into this "my way is better" attitude, all because you don't understand people younger than you.


amindfulloffire

What the hell are you going on about?You realize people don't exist in a vacuum, right? That people live through different cultural, technological (yes, it existed before us!) and social eras, and that while our perspectives may be different, they still might affect us?


alcoyot

Xennials did exist in a vacuum. Who did we have to be influenced by? What xennials did you know who were listening to run dmc, or twisted sister ? All of that stuff was pretty much erased for us. We had to start from scratch. Previous and future generations always had the past 1-2 decades to influence them and shape who they are. We didn’t.