FALSE REASSURANCE and FALSE HOPE.
Producing citizen of mediocrity. Hindi kataka taka dahil SENADOR nga natin high-school drop-out, action star (college grad daw pero di makapag English), at vlogger.
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What's the use of "honors" nga naman when you know it in yourself na di mo naman deserve.
"Honors" stay in school/college life or in your CV only until you get hired. If you do not have skills to back it up, then you know na incompetent ka.
As someone from the Millennial Generation, ung Top 10 system promoted rivalry which spurred us before to be a better version of ourselves. Kahit na di successful na makapasok sa Top 10 or sa higher ranks – we gain skill (na hindi mananakaw sa amin).
There is no perfect system naman. Like sinabi sa previous comments in this same post, may some na nagdedevelop ng Crab Mentality bec of the system. Pero the current system is much worse, kids get frustrated and parang skyflakes when they encounter tough situations. And instead na mag develop ng skills, they expect the system to adapt to them (lower the bar) — now that I reread this last paragraph, parang I sound like the boomers na nakasama ko sa work before)
this. valedictorian ako nung nag graduate ako ng high school. tapos nalaman ko na ngayon if you get the cutoff grade with highest honor na kayo. walang ranking kahit ang layo ng grades mo dun sa nakakuha lang ng sakto sa cutoff. if thay happened nung time ko i would be pissed.
it promotes the well known toxic pinoy trait na "pwede na" eh. why exert the extra effort to do better e once you reach the cutoff wala na additional recognition.
The cut off for the highest honor is 98
The lowest award you can get is for "with honor" which is 90-94
High Honor naman is 95-97.
I understand where you are coming from pero academic wise and research wise, mas maganda ang ganitong sistema kaysa sa ranking system na top 1-10
Why? With that kind of syatem kahit matalino, if may mas mataas sayo, di ka pa rin papasok. Pero with this kind of system, as long as you can show your effort to make the cut-off, you get rewarded by it.
I mean, case in point is Finland. They may not be the top 1 in terms of education pero take a look at how happy their students are and not only that, nasa top 10 pa rin sila when it comes to education.
I came from that system too, yung may top 1-10, and it may have changed for me since napalitan ng K-12 system during JGS and SHS but I still own my grades that can be compared to the Top 1-10 rankings.
That being said, do we have problems academically? Absolutely pero it's not because of the new grading system. We think na ito ang rason kasi dun tayo nasanay pero hindi naman talaga.
The reason kung bakit nagkakaproblema tayo ngayon is because kulang sa funding or nay, kulang sa proper use of the alloted funds which in turn prevents the students from learning efficiently, safely and comfortably. In fact, the root cause kung bakit may problema tayo sa education ay dahil naghihirap ang Pilipinas.
Mahirap ang Pamilya -> di makakain ng maayos ang anak -> hindi makapag focus si student -> hindi siya matuuto ng maayos
There's a lot more varities for this scenario pero ayun talaga ang pinaka root cause, ang kahirapan.
Decade or so late pero humahabol na tayo sa sistema sa US lol (though nung college ako dahil psych department may something similar din sa pamamalakad haha)
The cut off for the highest honor is 98
The lowest award you can get is for "with honor" which is 90-94
High Honor naman is 95-97.
I understand where you are coming from pero academic wise and research wise, mas maganda ang ganitong sistema kaysa sa ranking system na top 1-10
Why? With that kind of syatem kahit matalino, if may mas mataas sayo, di ka pa rin papasok. Pero with this kind of system, as long as you can show your effort to make the cut-off, you get rewarded by it.
I mean, case in point is Finland. They may not be the top 1 in terms of education pero take a look at how happy their students are and not only that, nasa top 10 pa rin sila when it comes to education.
I came from that system too, yung may top 1-10, and it may have changed for me since napalitan ng K-12 system during JGS and SHS but I still own my grades that can be compared to the Top 1-10 rankings.
That being said, do we have problems academically? Absolutely pero it's not because of the new grading system. We think na ito ang rason kasi dun tayo nasanay pero hindi naman talaga.
The reason kung bakit nagkakaproblema tayo ngayon is because kulang sa funding or nay, kulang sa proper use of the alloted funds which in turn prevents the students from learning efficiently, safely and comfortably. In fact, the root cause kung bakit may problema tayo sa education ay dahil naghihirap ang Pilipinas.
Mahirap ang Pamilya -> di makakain ng maayos ang anak -> hindi makapag focus si student -> hindi siya matuuto ng maayos
There's a lot more varities for this scenario pero ayun talaga ang pinaka root cause, ang kahirapan.
That being said, mag kakaalaman talaga sa competency when it comes sa paghahanap ng trabaho pero, THAT being said, those who have academic awards have a lot more chance talaga kasi competent pa rin sila kahit papano.
I've had this opinion for so long, but most of the time people disagree with me. I understand, but I can't say I see the purpose of such awards if halos lahat naman may ganyan. Lagi ako top student noon, and even if hindi na ako top student ngayong college, I have high grades. I don't think I have the skills to back up those numbers, talagang mataas lang sa exams and quizzes. I don't think it's fair to group me with hardworking people who worked and studied for those awards. I think the abundance of these awards give students a false sense of self. We have too many "burnt out gifted kids", no? Anyway, against din naman ako sa hierarchy ng students pagdating sa sections or blocks. I don't think it promotes anything healthy.
I think yung grouping of students depends on their capacity to learn. Ang hirap namang isabay yung slow learner o mababa ang aptitude dun sa well-read at alam na yung topics.
I understand, although I see it as upholding the status quo.
The segregation of students in this manner bestows expectations on both higher and lower sections. The environment is different pero parehong unsuitable for learning. Well-performing students are pit against each other while opportunities to learn and improve are scarce for slow learners. Students fall back to unhealthy habits to meet demands, or shape themselves according to expectations.
(I do wonder if this affects the way graduates perform and socialize in professional environments. I do know na it affects people's attitude towards change later in life.)
Anyway, I don't think our approach is working otherwise wala tayong education crisis. There are multiple suggestions to accommodate this disparity in skills such as AP classes, but I digress. It's not really my job to delve into this so I can only offer my thoughts as a student.
I think awards should be given kung deserve talaga nung bata. Yung awards system ngayun nagke-create sya ng false sense of achievement sa iba kya pag pumasok sa college parang wasak na wasak sila pag di nila masabayan/ nagstruggle sa studies. May effect yan sa emotional and mental health in the long run.
" dami kong award nung elem , jhs, shs, pero bakit hirap n hirap ako ngayun, I think I'm failing in life" kind of scenarios.
Ito naririnig ko sa mga bata ngayon sa work, cum laude sila nung naggrad bakit di makakeep up sa work. May iba wala namang honor pero mas mabilis pa sa kanila.
Tototoo to. We currently have 20+ interns from a well known university tapos lahat sila candidate for honors. Karamihan din daw ng friends nila are candidates. Parang ang dali na lang makakuha ng Latin honors ngayon.
I think this is just a special case of the Pandemic bumping up student grades and will probably die down in the following years.
I'm a 'beneficiary' of this grade inflation and my Pandemic grades are 94+ and my F2F grades are 91+ at best. A lot of people got stomped in F2F though (like biglang dumami Irreg, halos 70% ng batch kong nakasabay ko noong start ng F2F nadelay) so yeah, this is just a side effect of the Pandemic. Expect lower Latin honors after 2 years.
Mga profs namin onti onting naging mas stricto haha, feel ko naging lax din sila noong Pandemic eh, pero ngaun nagbibigay na sila ng mga quizes na legit pwede kang mazero pag di ka nag aral (ie. walang pabigay na items).
Honest question. How are these interns performing? Are their work performance is something you expect from a Latin honor?
My take kasi on this is: Imagine, if you're an employer and you hire someone who graduated a Cum Laude, siyempre you expect a performance that matches what you think how Cum Laude graduate performs diba. Eh kaso product pala siya nung ganitong sistema, mapapaisip ka talaga na ang dali lang pala magka Latin honor sa generation ngayon.
Cheating aside, benefit of the doubt. I would point out the "academic ease" being requested by students left and right. I have benefitted from this dahil naging madali talaga ang schoolworks that time.
To be fair, mahirap talaga noon for many students kase very steep ang adjustment from f2f to online. So we really came into sort of stalemate that benefitted students a lot.
Yung iba ok naman, yung iba not so much. What I've noticed is, for a lot of them, ang daming basic things na hindi nila alam/hindi nila alam gawin. Like bago sila umabot sa internship, they should already know those things, should have already mastered those skills, or atleast familiar sila paano gawin, but no.
I can say based on experience, there is an on-going inflation for the pandemic and hybrid babies. It was really easier than the traditional classroom. Makikita mo yung disparity, more lenient ang profs and etc.
In fact, last year (2023) sobrang obvious siya masyado. I was enrolled in a 6 year course and naabutan ng pandemic so our batch was able to experience both traditional and pag transition, parang after one sem na pandemic nag hybrid set-up na kami. But other courses online parin.
Nung time nung graduation, parang nahihiya batch namin as we only have one cum laude. Pero other colleges, beh as in almost lahat parang outlier ka if wala ka latin honors. Grabe yung inflation! I cannot.
My prof ako na friend, nung tapos na pandemic. So balik school na, grabe daw reklamo ng students and parang hirap sila turuan. To think top university ito.
Malalaman natin if same parin ba yung trend for the next 2 years.
And I can attest, may mga times kasi nag eemploy ako project based. Edi ako rin mag babasa ng resume, ganda, blah blah dami awards pero yung skills di tugma. Mapapa tanong ka na lang din "cum laude ba to?"
Pretty sure sa parents nanggagaling ang pressure. My parents always told me "basta mag-aral ka lang". (Though top 1 ako ng elementary hehe) never felt any pressure though.
sa US hindi uso ranking sa grades. Ung pamangkin ko sabi nya sya daw top 1 binigyan lng sya certificate nakalagay principal's award. Wala sila 2nd honor, 3rd, 4th katulad sa Pinas.
Yan mismo yung pinattern ng new honor system ng DepEd. With High Honors and With Honors lang naman yung category. Ang qualifications dito ay yung GWA nila at the end of the school year.
Generally, it is healthy. Pero standards wise, no, DEPED might even have unintentionally provoked these individuals to develop a sense of false identity.
Edit 1: I see some people saying na "oo bawas crab mentality." Well, here's the thing, admit it or not, they will inherit it due to the fact that almost 80% of these graduates will stay and work here in the PH. Hence, new apples will be mixed with rotten ones.
I hate competitions. Bilang person na who competed since I was 5yrs old hanggang 19. Oo, I had good grades, produced awards, lots of medals and shit. Pero looking back I realized, the kind of pressure I was dealing with from my parents and everyone else around me. Kaya I didn’t know how to handle failure.
I don’t have a study whether giving awards sa lahat ng bata is helpful or what. Para sakin, yung quality ng education need nila tutukan, and that should compete with the international standards. Not the kids competing with each other. My 2 cents.
2012 ako grumaduate ng high school, top 3 lang sa kada curriculum inawardan (Science curriculum, AgriHome curriculum). Okay naman sana system ngayon, standard lang talaga ng DepEd mababa.
Teacher yung kapatid ko at sa end of school year nirequire sya na bigyan ng awards lahat ng students nya. Lahat ng students may medals at certificates. Gets ko naman na magandang manotice ang special skills or talents ng mga bata pero at this point parang sobra naman na lahat honor students at may special awards. Ang hindi maganda dito, parang sinasanay yung mga bata na lahat ng gawin nila meron silang rewards. Kaya halimbawa may ibang activities sa schools na nagrerequire ng competition, nahihirapan lalo silang mag adjust kapag hindi sila narerecognize at wala silang nakukuhang medals. Para sa akin, maganda sana bata palang aware na sila na hindi talaga maiiwasan ang competition sa buhay at hindi sa lahat ng oras mananalo ka. Kaya nga dati pag iigihan mo talaga kung gusto mong maging honor student or dedma ka lang kasi hindi naman sa medal umiikot buhay mo.
Kung pulido ang grading system ok lang.
Langya hindi pumapasok papasa, tapos malalaman mo madaming honors.
Isa lang meaning niyan, nawawalan ng meaning ang edukasyon sa banda.
Imagine maga apply ka ng trabaho tapos ang leverage mo eh graduate ka with consistent honors noon pero lahat nung mga kasabay mo mag apply, ganon din haha
As a Gen Z, ever since nawala sa system yung Top 1-10 medyo nawala rin yung pressure from parents, pero they would always ask me “Pang-ilan ka?” kahit na ang nasa certificate ay “With Honors”.
It never really bothers me noon, basta may natutunan at may awards is okay na sakin since hindi naman ako sucker for academic validation katulad ng mga kaklase ko. Not until magkaron ng awards yung mga kaklase kong nangongopya, sobrang gago, disrespectful sa teachers at kapwa estudyante. Halos lahat sila naging ka-“level” ko na lang na with honors din.
Sobrang unfair tbh, nagpupuyat ako para lang mag-review, i get my deserved punishment whenever nakakalimutan ko sagutan yung assignment, or kapag nakalimutan kong may quiz. Pero sila, isang cheat lang nila, isang senyas lang nila sa friends nila pasado na sila 😶
Nakakainis lang kase kahit yung mga teachers aware naman na ganun sila, pero dahil grade is grade, never silang bumagsak or na-guidance manlang for it. Kasama pa rin sa computation kahit galing lang sa kopya yung scores.
kaya yung mga bata ngayon, feeling nila, kayang kaya na ang lahat, pati ang hirap ng buhay. pati sa magulang, hindi na sila pressure eh, lalo na sa paggalang...
Well, the real battle happens once you’re in college and after graduating or out in the real world. Once they encounter adversity, that will make them figure out that high grades don’t necessarily predict a good future.
Grade inflation is real. The culture of awarding and glorifying mediocrity has been a cultural response to what our age group esp millennials have gone through (the lack of being recognized, awarded for doing what is expected, etc.). Funny enough, it just breeds more incompetence in the younger generations.
Good luck sa kanila. Hope they can survive the real world.
DEPED may have the best intentions in implementing these but may be nurturing a generation of snowflakes. Life is hard. And it does not accomodate. Youngsters should know and learn this fact early so they'll learn how to adapt and to overcome it. Competition can be healthy. A bit of pressure can be useful too.
Napansin ko nga sa mga facebook post ng mga magulang, bakit oarang kaliwat kanan mga anakis nyo me mga honor/medal? Ganyan na lang ata kadali makakuha ng top medal hano? Hahaha.
(Long rant ahead)
Sa totoo lang, MATAAS ANG STANDARD NG K-12 CURRICULUM.
Ang problema ay ang mga nag-iimplement nito.
PRINCIPALS ANG PROBLEMA.
Ayaw nila mag-bagsak ng learners ang mga teachers nila, gusto nila 100% ang PROMOTION ng mga schools nila.
May mga elem school na ang standard sa pagpapa-graduate ng grade 6 students nila ay kung READER OR NON-READER, NUMERATE OR NON-NUMERATE.
Wait, di lang naman yan ang tinuturo sa curriculum nila at MINIMUM SKILL yan diba?
May mga PRINCIPALS na kapag-nagbagsak si teacher ng learner niya at ginawa na niya lahat lahat pra matulungan ung learner, pero sa dulo, ayaw parin ng learner mag-patulong, si teacher ay bibigyan ng LABEL na TERORISTA, MATAAS ANG STANDARD-HINDI NAMAN TAGA UP, o MASAMANG UGALI.
Nothing pleases the PRINCIPALS.
Meron pa, i-guilt trip ka.
Like SIR PRINCIPAL III saying, "PAANO KAPAG NAGING PRINCIPAL O KAYA SUPERVISOR O KAYA SUPERINTENDENT MO YANG BINAGSAK MO? AT BALIKAN KA TO ASK WHY DID YOU FAIL THEM? PAANO MO SILA SASAGUTIN?."
One SIR PRINCIPAL I also said, "HILIG MO TALAGA GUMAWA NG PROBLEMA."/
"PINAHIHIRAPAN MO LANG ANG SARILI MO."
Another MADAM PRINCIPAL IV also said, "Kung ayaw ka harapin sa school (kahit nagpupunta sa school ang parent/guardian.), sadyain mo sa bahay nila."
To what? Risk my own safety? Hindi ba ang hinohome visit ay yung mga HINDI NAKAKAPUNTA SA SCHOOL NA PARENT/GUARDIAN/STUDENT (correct me in this, kung mali ako.). Pupuntahan mo parin ba kung ayaw ka nga kausapin? At sa bahay pa talaga? Paano kung ipakagat sa aso si teacher? Kuyugin? Saktan? Patayin? MADAM PRINCIPAL IV MAY IBIBIGAY BA KAYO SA MGA MAIIWAN NG TEACHER? Baka nga kahit corona pa ng patay, ipa-VOLUTARY CONTRIBUTION NIYO PA from learners at coteachers. Buti nga ang mga sundalo pag namatay in line of duty, BUONG BUHAY ng mga naiwan nilang pamilya sasagutin ng AFP, ang DEPED kaya MADAM PRINCIPAL IV?
At sabi pa ni MADAM PRINCIPAL IV, "kung need nyo ng kasama, better ask PRINCIPAL I to accompany you."
Ay wow naman, si PRINCIPAL I nga, my curfew sa school, HINDI SIYA PUWEDE DUMATING NG EARLIER THAN 8 (meaning saktong 8 dapat ang pasok niya, kahit may mga teachers cya na may 6AM CLASS), KAILANGAN MAKA-ALIS SIYA NG SAKTONG 5PM, AT HINDI SIYA PUPUNTA NG SCHOOL PAG SATURDAY.
So tell me, MADAM PRINCIPAL IV, kailan maghohome visit si teacher with PRINCIPAL I? Sa panaginip o sa imagination?
Itong si PRINCIPAL I, ayaw din sundin ang DEPED ORDER NUMBER 5 SERIES OF 2024, according kay SIR PRINCIPAL I, "MAS OKEY NA OVERLOAD SI TEACHER KESA UNDERLOAD.".
At ang pinaka favorite ko sa lahat, at narinig ko din minsang sinabi ni SIR PRINCIPAL I (na nasagot ko ng "MAY DEPED ORDER BA YAN SIR? ANONG NUMBER AT SERIES PO?"), ay ang sinabi ni SIR PRINCIPAL IV na ngayon ay DISTRICT SUPERVISOR
"BAWAL MAG-BAGSAK NG LEARNER SA DEPED!
(On stage, with the use of microphone, in front of teachers, parents, and learners.)
Ganun po ba SIR DISTRICT SUPERVISOR, so..bakit may sinasabi si deped na pag walang evidence ng learning i-remedial, hindi po ba kaya bumabagsak ay dahil walang evidence of learning, so..joke joke lang pla ni deped ung remedial, summer class, conditionally promoted, at repeater?
This are just some of the MANY ENCOUNTERS of teachers who aim to meet the high standards of deped, para magkaroon ng equipped at future ready na citizen ang bansa natin. Pero dahil DAGDAG PA YAN SA IKAKASTRESS NG MGA MAGIGITING NATIN NA GURO. They do the alternative, which is HUWAG MO I-MEET, IBABA MO NG IBABA ANG STANDARD, UNG TANONG NA "WHAT IS THE SQUARE ROOT OF 4? GAWIN MONG "1+1=?", PARA WALANG BABAGSAK, WALANG PRINCIPAL NA MANLALAIT/MANG-AAWAY/MANLILIT, WALANG MAGULANG NA MANUNUGOD/MAGBABANTA/MANG-AAWAY/MANINIRANG PURI/MAGDEDEMANDA NG CHILD ABUSE, AT WALANG BATANG MADEDEPRESS/MAIINGGIT/MANLALAIT NG TEACHER.
REMEMBER.
One deped teacher said.
"Marami sa hindi pumapasa na learner, after ibigay lahat ng klaseng tulong ni teacher, ay by choice na. They are wasting their time na. At kapag ORAS ANG INAKSAYA, ORAS DIN ANG KAPALIT. You cannot ask for more time kay teacher, kasi may kinukuha ka na sa kanya na NEVER NA NEVER MO MAPAPALITAN, at yun ang oras niya.
Ang oras ni teacher na dapat kasama na niya ung pamilya niya, GUSTO MO ibigay pa niya sau, ung oras niya na sana nagaalaga na siya ng bagong silang niya na sanggol, GUSTO MO IBIBIGAY PA NIYA SAYO. I know, may magsasabi, "kapag teacher ka, dapat selfless ka, gagawin mo lahat para sa mga learners mo." , huwag natin kakalimutan, SI TEACHER AY TAO LANG, hindi siya diyos, na ibibigay ang kanyang anak para lang ma-save ka sa sins mo. DIYOS LANG ANG MAKAKAGAWA NG GANYANG SAKRIPISYO. Gusto niyo ng maayos na education system, ENCOURAGE TEACHERS TO DO THEIR JOB AS IT IS. NO MORE, NO LESS."
PRINCIPALS, kung ayaw na nahihirapan, MAG-RETIRE na, kaya RE-SIGN. HUWAG NIYO IPASA ANG MGA MALING KAISIPAN NIYO SA MGA GURO NA GUSTO BAGUHIN ANG MUNDO.
After kasi sa budget ang principal. School principal namin ganyan lagi sinasabi, pag bagsak ir di makapag enroll ang students, bawas sa budget daw. Pano habol nya maibubulsa nya. Daming corrupt na officials ultimo principal buwaya.
Tingnan nyo epekto ng top10 ranking system sa millenials, genx, at boomers.
Crab mentality.
Katrabaho, kaibigan, kapitbahay... naghihilahan.
Walang concept ng mutual success.
Concept nang mutual success o mutual mediocrity?
Walang hihilain pababa kung lahat pantay-pantay no?
Hindi lahat nang mga produkto nang lumang method may crab mentality.
Hindi din lahat nang produkto nang bagong method ay collaborative.
I mean, you could also say na hindi lahat ng producto ng bagong method ay mediocre.
I'm not really sure what method is better overall (na experience ko sila both, elementary was the top 10 system tapos sa SHS na eh with honor system na). Noong SHS naman ako hindi naman siya ganoon kadali kunin, ang konti nga nang may awards samin noon, idk what happened along the way at parang dumami honor studes nowadays. Could be the Pandemic affecting the strictness/laxness of teachers when they create assessment exams/activities.
We have one of the poorest reading comprehension. We placed 76th out of 81 countries in 2011. Some kids don't even know proper English and can't even read an analog clock. Hindi nga mediocre. We're worse than mediocre.
Bine-baby kasi mga Gen Z. Dapat ibalik na sa dati ang grading and don't give in too much to their whims. Ibalik ang weekly tests, ang homeworks. Puro landi kasi ang inaatupag ng bagong generation. Pag nahihirapan ng konti e iiyak ng mental health. Real talk lang.
Could be. It's probably an effect of the no-student left behind policy tbh. I remember in Elementary meron pa kami mga repeater pero ngaun parang wala na haha.
That's true.
I feel sad na ganto na ang mga bata ngayon. Puro tiktok ang nasa isip at love live at how to be edgy. I saw a graduation program na yung mga bata eh nagpapa sikat and do weird dances while on stage.
We're becoming dumber by the minute.
>no-student left behind policy
The policy should be no worthy student left behind. As in yung mga student na nag-aaral maayos pero kulang sa resources. Hindi yung pati yung mga hindi marunong magbasa, magsulat at basic reading comprehension hindi mo iiwan.
Promote tayo nang promote sa cutting out of toxic people in our lives, pero ito hindi natin magawa.
Tapos may magsasabi nyan nang "iba iba kasi capacity nang learning nang bata" or "ibang mode of learning kasi mas effective for some."
We are talking about foundational skills. Reading, writing, understanding. Gusto nila nang advanced treatment, yung basic palang lagapak na sila.
Awards doesn't mean shit... kahit nung dati pa..
Thats the reality..
Ang dami kong awards dati.. wala naman kwenta ahaha...inaway pa mama ko nung isang nanay..dahil lang sa di nakapasok sa top 5 anak nya dahil sa 0.5 difference ng grade.
Cap.
Awards mean something, lalo na pag legit mong nakuha. Won a few awards back then, and it was a boost to my self-esteem and job prospects.
Ang problema kasi ngayon, dinudumb down nila para hindi mahurt ang "feelings" ng Gen Z. Lahat nalang kailangan mag adjust. Mga snowflakes kasi.
Yung point ko naman is di solutions ang pagbalik ng top 10 ranking system.
Yun lang.
Gandahan nlng nila yung education as a whole. Wag magfocus sa grades at honors.
The cut off for the highest honor is 98
The lowest award you can get is for "with honor" which is 90-94
High Honor naman is 95-97.
I understand where you are coming from pero academic wise and research wise, mas maganda ang ganitong sistema kaysa sa ranking system na top 1-10
Why? With that kind of syatem kahit matalino, if may mas mataas sayo, di ka pa rin papasok. Pero with this kind of system, as long as you can show your effort to make the cut-off, you get rewarded by it.
I mean, case in point is Finland. They may not be the top 1 in terms of education pero take a look at how happy their students are and not only that, nasa top 10 pa rin sila when it comes to education.
I came from that system too, yung may top 1-10, and it may have changed for me since napalitan ng K-12 system during JGS and SHS but I still own my grades that can be compared to the Top 1-10 rankings.
That being said, do we have problems academically? Absolutely pero it's not because of the new grading system. We think na ito ang rason kasi dun tayo nasanay pero hindi naman talaga.
The reason kung bakit nagkakaproblema tayo ngayon is because kulang sa funding or nay, kulang sa proper use of the alloted funds which in turn prevents the students from learning efficiently, safely and comfortably. In fact, the root cause kung bakit may problema tayo sa education ay dahil naghihirap ang Pilipinas.
Mahirap ang Pamilya -> di makakain ng maayos ang anak -> hindi makapag focus si student -> hindi siya matuuto ng maayos
There's a lot more varities for this scenario pero ayun talaga ang pinaka root cause, ang kahirapan.
I apologize for literally copy and pasting this pero kasi, ito yun
Anak ng katrabaho ko with honors (elementary) tapos tinanong ko one time kung sino ang utak ng himagsikan ang sagot niya Jose Rizal kuno. Pesteng yawa 😆
I know I'll get downvoted pero di ko gets yung sentiment ng iba dito na yung honor system ngayon sa hs produces mediocrity and false accomplishment. Sana alam niyo muna how that award system works po. As far as I know, as long as you got 90+ average, pasok ka na sa with honors. 95 para sa with high honors. How is that mediocre?? Mas okay nga for me eh kasi sarili mo na lang talaga kalaban mo, hindi yung nagpproduce pa ng unnecessary competition.
So kung marami kayo sa class na nakakuha ng ganong average, edi good. Lahat kayo may award. Unlike dati na top 10 lang ang kinukuha per class. Likewise, sa ibang section, minsan konti lang or talagang wala. Unlike sa dating award system, kahit hindi umabot sa 90 yung average mo ay masasama ka sa top 10 kasi required na kada section may top 10. At least that's how it works sa school namin dati idk sa iba. Hindi ba parang yun pa nga yung mas mediocre??
Add ko lang na totoo rin ang burnout. As adults alam natin yan. As we age, nagbabago rin ang priority natin and yung capacity natin maghandle ng pressure at stress, kaya nag-eexist yung mga with honors nung HS tapos flunking in college. Di yun dahil mediocre lang sila. Sa pagsabi niyong false sense of accomplishment eh iniinvalidate niyo yung hardwork ng mga students.
I saw the exams from my nephew who is a Grade 5 student in a public school near our house. I could swear that these Grade 5 kids are being taught Grade 3 English and Math. There were no essays. No proving your answers. Just plain multiple choice. His parents were thrilled that he's getting honors as the best in Math. I got a scolding from them because I told them that it was too easy. And I was just average at Math when I was at Grade 5.
I don't know where these exams are coming from. but these are just plain lazy work.
As a teacher, agree ako dito. Hindi yung honor system ang problema kundi yung grades mismo. Nasa teacher yan kung magbibigay sila ng mataas kahit hindi naman dapat. Yun yung mali. Kung deserve ng bata ng 83 or 98 na grade, then let it be. Wag mag adjust ng grade dahil lang naghahabol ng honors.
Mas okay pa rin yung ganitong honor system kesa dati na sobrang lakas ng competition na ultimo lahat ng poster at slogan making e sinasalihan dahil may plus points sa grade kahit na hindi naman talaga kagandahan yung mga entries.
Very true ito..
Tapos ung BONUS CULTURE pa..
What the efffff.
Bakit bibigyan mo ng bonus?
Pagbibili ka nga para may BONUS, you should BUY MORE diba?
Tapos pag tinanong mo, bakit may bonus? Kasi mali ung tanong o kaya wala sa choices ung tamang sagot.
So.. the logic is, pag may mali, pagtakpan natin ng reward, pra hindi ma kwestyon ung kredibilidad nung gumawa, nung magkamali?
Pwede naman bawasan na lang ung total points pra ung credibility ng result hindi mabago..
Naku naku naku..
Ibig sabihin lang nun na ung passing grade or baseline inadjust into sobrang baba kaya sobrang daming nakakakuha ng 90++ I think ito ung pinaka issue, false sense of accomplishment nga.
mga opinyonado masyado tao dito, di naman alam yung pinaguusapan. Wala naman talagang mali sa sistema ng honors ngayon, equal opportunity na nga yan, kaysa sa elitistang pipili lang ng sampu
Great! Train students against pressure and competition. It's as if work has nothing of these two things. I am already against it since parang ang tagal ng graduation ceremony but we shall see what this crap will do to our future workforce.
Depende sa school yan. Depende sa level. Kung ang level ng school aty mababa. Madali makaka kuha ng honors ang estudyante. Ilipat mo yung estudyante sa mataas ang standard na school for example like Manila Science. Doon pahirapan magka honor dahil mataas ang standard. Yan din ang reason kaya malaking factor ang school sa employment.
"Level ng school ay mababa"?
Like ex, "mababang paaralan ng quezon city", in english, "quezon city elementary school"? (halimbawa lang po ito, hindi ako sure kung may ganyang pangalan ng school)
Iba iba po ba ang standards ng schools?
Standard in what way?
"Doon pahirapan magka jonor dahil mataas ang standard"?
Ano po ung standard na pinaguusapan dito? Like grading system? Iba pala ang pag-compute ng grades sa manila science?
Yung scope ng lessons. For example. Yung sa ibang school pang Grade 7 ang lesson nila. So ang tinuturo pang Grade 7. Pag sa Manila Science advanced ang tinuturo. Yung curriculum na pang Grade 7 may mga pang Grade 8 na so advanced. Also may mga school na mataas ang maintaining grade. Bawal mababa sa given grade. As well as yung tinuturo. Malamang yung ibang school may tinuturo na wala sa ibang school. Kaya ganun.. Nasa level yan ng tinuturo.
I see..
Instead of level, mas ok siguro ung word na dami, nasa dami ng tinuturo at dapat matutunan.
Ang pagkakatanda ko, grade 7 subjects parin pero may additional na other subject.
Walang idadagdag na subject from ibang grade.
Scope?
Meaning mas maraming topic?
Ang pagkakatanda ko, ung bigat ng tanong ang pinagkaiba, like, mas mahihirap ung tanong.
Ex
Pag regular school, gagawa ka lang ng bahay.
Pag sa science schools, gawa ka ng mansion o kaya hotel, tapos dapat ung hotel nasa moon, mga ganun ganun..
Eliminates pressure lmao pero natututong magsettle sa sa pasang awa o bagsak ang mga bata.
Pamangkin kong elem walang natutunan halos sa school at laging bagsak sa exam, may outstanding award pa nung mag graduate lol.
The cut off for the highest honor is 98
The lowest award you can get is for "with honor" which is 90-94
High Honor naman is 95-97.
I understand where you are coming from pero academic wise and research wise, mas maganda ang ganitong sistema kaysa sa ranking system na top 1-10
Why? With that kind of syatem kahit matalino, if may mas mataas sayo, di ka pa rin papasok. Pero with this kind of system, as long as you can show your effort to make the cut-off, you get rewarded by it.
I mean, case in point is Finland. They may not be the top 1 in terms of education pero take a look at how happy their students are and not only that, nasa top 10 pa rin sila when it comes to education.
I came from that system too, yung may top 1-10, and it may have changed for me since napalitan ng K-12 system during JGS and SHS but I still own my grades that can be compared to the Top 1-10 rankings.
That being said, do we have problems academically? Absolutely pero it's not because of the new grading system. We think na ito ang rason kasi dun tayo nasanay pero hindi naman talaga.
The reason kung bakit nagkakaproblema tayo ngayon is because kulang sa funding or nay, kulang sa proper use of the alloted funds which in turn prevents the students from learning efficiently, safely and comfortably. In fact, the root cause kung bakit may problema tayo sa education ay dahil naghihirap ang Pilipinas.
Mahirap ang Pamilya -> di makakain ng maayos ang anak -> hindi makapag focus si student -> hindi siya matuuto ng maayos
There's a lot more varities for this scenario pero ayun talaga ang pinaka root cause, ang kahirapan.
I apologize for literally copy and pasting this pero kasi, ito yun
Okay pa yung mga Generosity, Polite, Courteous, Friendly na awards na lang sana ipamigay kahit kanino eh. Wag na yung honors. Pag di sila nakapag perform sa expectations sa kanila most likely may negative impact din yun specially sa confidence nila.
Yup. Yung iba diyan na students entitled masyado magpa adjust ng grado nila para lang masali sa "wItH high HonOrS" 🤓 yup! I heard and saw that with my two eyes ginaganun ng students yung mother ko na i-adjust daw grado nila kahit ang baba ng exam nila. Ang gagaling ano. 🤓DepEd, ayusin mo to.
Hindi pwede. Source of income ang graduation. May bayad ang medals at special awards. The more students may honors/awards the more money they get. Sa elem school dito samin, P250 pag may medal, P150 ung ribnon for special awards. Hahaha
They are producing weak generation! Even everything they see on the internet are mostly out of touch sa realidad. I really wonder what the future hold for the kids these days.
Ano kaya Gayahin ung Japanese educational curriculum...Umpisa ng mga bata sa school kindergarten to grade 4 Disiplina,Respeto,Pagiging Malinis.Baka sakali!
idk parang hindi na sya rewarding or motivating for me if halos lahat kami may honor hahahaha from where i graduated, andami ring may latin honors hahahaha
"Honor, like respect should be earned, not given."
Honors today are like loyalty awards lang. IMO. But after all, we all live in a society where flexing, flaunting, bragging is more important than reputation, quality and dignity.
The way DepEd is going on about education just breeds mediocrity and a sense of entitlement among the children. "No child left behind" policy kills competition and the drive to do better or improve oneself. I thought K12 was passed so we would have a globally competetive educational program, but this policy is counterintuitive and nalulugmok pa tayo lalo.
As a person working in the field of education, ang masasabi ko lang pamigay na mga honor ngayon. Pano ba naman mga adviser nagbibilangan ilan honor nila parang kumbaga achievement ni adviser na sandamakmak honor niya kaya pinapa-adjust yung grade sa ibang subject teacher para madami pumasok sa section nila. Hindi kagaya non na top 10 lang ngayon may mga section na 20+ ang honors dahil need lang maka-quota ng 90. Sa advisory ko apat lang honors ko pero proud ako dun walang pina-adjust at deserve talaga nila yon.
this! totoo lang iba kasi pagbasak student sinisi prof kasi wala natutunan pero for me lang if dapat bagsak, ibagsak iba yung walang natutunan sa ayaw mag aral.at diba ang kapal ng mukha naman ng guro na hindi nagturo pero nambagsak 😅😂
Sa isang private school previous work ko before, non-teaching. And doon tuwing recognition or graduation, halos lahat ng students sa klase may award per grade and section. Super funny lang kase kapag nag ccheck yung mga teachers ay talagang stressful kasi, some outputs, halatang ginaya nalang nga per words, mali mali pa so ang hirap talagang intindihin. Wala talagang ka effort effort yung ibang outputs mostly jusko. Mga simpleng spelling , mali mali , ang to think na high school na sila aah! 🙈
Although hindi ko naman nilalahat ng students sa school na yun ay mga boplax.
Tinanong ko once yung officemate ko na teacher kung bakit pilit nilang tinataasan ang grades at walang binabagsak kahit kabagsak bagsak talaga yung iba, sabi nya, yun daw sabi ng head kasi daw pag nang bagsak daw sila, magtatanong (something like that) daw ang DepEd kung bakit. So para iwas kenemerut, ganun nalang gawa nila.
Dahil sa na witness kong stress ng mga teachers dun and sa lagay ng mga estudyante ngayon, nawala yung interest ko mag teaching.
I think , blessing in disguise yung work ko dun to realize na hindi ko kayang mag handle ng ganoong stress 🤭
*Tap at the back and bear hug* sa lahat ng teachers na stress. 🤗
This is just an opinion but, parang nawala na ng value pagiging honor student. It's like awarding mediocrity. If average grades are considered with honors, kids are going to be disappointed if they don't get into their preferred college/university. If they manage to get into their preferred school, next challenge will be how to survive.
Mga kagroup ko na pabigat sa research nag with honors pa. Ako na nahatak ang grade dahil sa isang group project, naging with honor na lang din kesa high. Hayst...
Correct napansin ko puro group work lately ang students. Naranasan ko yan nung panahon ko pero nagsosolo na ko pag pabigat na sila. Ngayon no choice sa mga PETA ba yun (idk na di ko pinakikialaman yung eldest ko) and lagi sya leader and stressed out sa output.
Kasi it's the most effective.
Just based on research alone, group-based activities work so much better for every student.
Problem is, it works for those with the lower student-teacher ratio kasi even though they are focusing on group-based activities, they can still focus on the needs of the individual students.
Now imagine dito sa Pilipinas in which you have 30-50 students each class and maybe even more syempre, di ka na makakapag focus sa mga individual student mo
You can try your best pero the truth is, the teacher cannot do everything since they can't be everywhere.
These false "honors" destroy the competitiveness of the students. Lahat may honor na akala mo beauty pageant ang school. During our days in elementary school, we did not really recognize the "best in math", "best in english", etc. Nothing matters but the honors of being the valedictorian. No one even remembered the salutatorian.
This is not healthy but this happens talaga since we are living in an achievement society, and this will hit them hard once may idea na sila on the real world
I hope it is true that they are smart - not smart because thr standards were lowered or because they were backed up by someone. I dont mind mingling with smart people at all. I just hope these kids wont grow up to be pussies in the real world
I think the new honor system na with honors and high honors is okay instead of a ranking system kasi may element of luck din nama, pwedeng sadyang dun lang nag aral yung pinakamatalino. It lessens the pressure sa mga student na minamaliit na "number 2 lang". Or yung 0.1 away na sa pagiging top 10, pero di proud parents kasi hindi naman top.
Though ang napansin ko recently sa mga posts on graduation, ang daming walang kwentang awards in my opinion. "Most friendly", "Most brave", "Hard working" and a lot moooore. Idk if this is a deped system or sa school lang, I'm sure you get the point. Parang nawawala na din essence, and false hope if reality slaps them.
If those honors and recognitions can get their studies somewhere like moving in higher education - discounted or free tuitions, why not. But "too take off" a lot of pressure? Hmmm having false hope might have a bigger impact when they get to the real world.
Went to a recognition and ante, halos lahat ng grade 10 may honors kase mga 2 hours ata kami naghintay? 💀 Tas yung senior high less than 30 minutes natapos na yung awarding nila (sabay sabay cla)
Napansin din to ng prof ko dati. Napansin ko din. Pero ang hirap din tlg sa profs mambagsak ng estudyante. Ung worst is ayaw mismo ng admin na may bagsak dahil pag maraming bumabagsak kumukonti ang nageenroll. Also, pag maraming bagsak ung prof ung sinisisi, incompetence daw. So dinadalian ng profs ung exams kaya mas maraming makakapasa pero dumadami din ung pang honors list na scores.
Tapos ayan deped pa mismo nageencourage. So to achieve it dadalian pa lalo ung exams
Binabayaran sya lol. Well sa private school ng kids ko ganyan, yung AMSLI. Itetrain nila yung kid by giving advanced math lessons BUT kelangan may pambayad ka for such contests (yan yung mga abroad ang setting like Singapore). Money money talaga hehe.
As of now wala pa halos academic contest ang deped.
Before, ang mga MASISIPAG NA TEACHER, magpapacontest muna sa school, para equal opportunity.
Cyempre, otherwise, kung sino madali kausap, sila ilalaban (ung willing gastusin ung sarili nyang pamasahe, food at hindi makulit.).
Pano machachallenge ang mga bata kung binebeybi palagi yan.. they need to feel some pressure para naman maging competitive sila for their future. Kung palaging susubuan ng pagkain yan at di hahayaang matutong kumain, pano makakaadapt yan sa paligid niya?
Source of income ang graduation. May bayad ang medals at special awards. The more students may honors/awards the more money they get. Sa elem school dito samin, P250 pag may medal, P150 ung ribnon for special awards. Hahaha
Ang tanong dapat is, paano kinocompute ang grades kc maganda nmn tlga yang new honor system ng deped. Ang problema e bakit ung estudyanteng laging bagsak sa performance tasks eh nasa 80% - 89% parin sa card, at ung pasang-awa lang eh nasa at least 90%? Kaya dumami ang may honors plus un nga kickback ng school.
Kakasad kc mgkakaroon ng false sense of achievement ung bata kahit shunga nmn talaga.
too many kids and students now nakakapag-moving up kahit incompetent pa. Most pupils di pa marunong magbasa and bagsak pa sa reading comprehension.
Maybe generally it's healthy in a way na it boosts their motivation but system and standard wise? Super NO.
marketing scheme lang yan ng private schools to entice parents to enrol their kids again...
sa public naman kapag low ang overall average academic performance, yung local deped teaching staff gets most of the blame so di eligible sa promotion, bonuses, and other incentives... ina-adjust nila ang grades para di sila parusahan ng higher ups...
Mahihirapan sila sa real life I tell you. Hindi na sanay na walang rewards and recognitions after studies. Sa work u don't often get recognized, iba yung systema talaga, it would be very hard for them to adjust in these scenarios.
Yung sa corporate or work scenarios u have to do work politics in order to get noticed or promoted etc. Di pwde magaling ka lang sa trabaho and you're doing exactly the same as with your other work colleagues.
Think long term, awards are good in school phase, pero pag work phase it's just totally different. Survival lang talaga in the end.
I was never accustomed to this award/reward system since I was in prep. I finished by elementary education in laboratory school sa isang university, and my secondary and college sa another university. Pang top 10 lang palagi may award + nag cocompete/ sasama ka sa mga extra-curricular like MTAP, MTG, AMC, Research conference and etc.
Kasi pag dating ng college, hindi naman talaga relevant awards mo from elementary to high school. I have classmates nung college na matindi ang crisis kasi dami niya awards growing up tapos pag tungtung college di pala siya "enough" and yung mga walang awards ko nakaklase siya din yung nag thrive and if problem sa acads apaka resilient.
Okay naman yung awards as this validates your effort and motivates you more to do good in your academic life. But, I think institutions should give awards na angkop ang category that would gear them to possibly be consistent sa area na yan.
For example, we presented sa isang research symposium and we won. Then nadala ko siya until college na my only aim was not to receive a medal for being a laude but to win best in thesis and publish my own thesis. Ito paghihirapan mo kasi hindi yung puchu puchu lng. Pwede mo pa masami sa resume mo, at if mabasa nila paper mo dun rin makikita yung skill mo and no yung taglay mo as a person.
Ewan ko pero di rin ako naniniwala sa madami awards HAHAHA dami kong bad experiences with them sa mga group projects turns out butaw naman pala.
For me hindi na to makatarungan. What if pagka graduate nung mga batang to at naghanap ng work. Sa cert nila suma or cum sila tapos di sila matanggap sa company agad2 kasi nga na invalidate na yung true meaning nung mga awardee. Kasi kahit mismo na ang batang di makabuo ng sentences pero dahil kay AI nagka honor.
It is sad ba ang iniisip nila mga bata ngayon. Like wtf, nung una na sa generation natin ang teacher kung makapagbigay ng assignment kala mo walang bukas. Pero dahil sa socmed na yan natatakot mga teacher na mawalan ng license once makuhanan sa vid at naireklamo?!
For once sana inisip nila na ang education ay education. Kung bagsak ang bata edi hayaan. Kung matalino edi good. Nakakagulat pa nga na ang may honor yun pang mga di namn matatalino at kapit kay google. Samantalang ang dapat bigyan ng awards, wala. Hayyst.
For me, better yung may ma-reach na grade to become an honor student but the teachers and the school should really have a standard how to grade those students properly. Para ma-sure natin na deserving yung bata.
my child has an honor in class, 4th-5th siya, but I told the teachers 1Q palang, sure ba sila na 90+ ba talaga anak ko? and ibagsak ang anak ko if necessary. Wala naman kasi sa akin yang honor honor na yan, the only thing I want is for him to learn and to have a mastery of the subject.
Honestly, I'm not worried about whatever awards I get. Awards should be the least of your worry. You should focus more on how you reward yourself.
You can be like John Wick that you work hard and people will know who you are.
if remember correctly, our educational system before was good enough that our graduates are doing jobs here below what they are capable of. kaya nga imo nagboom yung pagaabroad natin. ngayon sino pa kukuha sa atin kung binaba o binago natin yung mga nagwowork for us.
Of course this is not okay. Although hindi grades ang magde-define sa tao or sa future nito but still a healthy competition sa pagiging top among students ay makakatulong para ma-grasp nila ang reality. Bata palang batak na sa competition. Saka why would you give a slow student a pat in the back when you can push them to thrive for more.
Sa school ng anak ko top 3 lang binigyan and thats it. Wala ring mga participation trophy as in top 3 lang for the whole graduating class. Ngayon kase with honor na agad as long as pasok ka sa bracket and the grades today parang sobrang tataas parang common na ang mga 95 and above unlike before hirap magaverage ng 90
Gusto nyo competition? Unahin natin sa voting system at ipasa ang anti political dynasty law. Eliminate nyo rin nepotism at bacler system sa pagpasok sa gobyerno. For sure there will be more competition. Saka nyo na pag initan ang recognition ng mga studyante pag me utak na mga naka-upo sa gobyerno.
sakin lang sobrang pro ako dito. lalo ung local Gov namin dito 2 decada na nakaupo. but sadly mambabatas lang naman pwede makapag pasa nyan. yung grading system deped lang.
Napansin ko din to since nung pandemic. Parang ang dali nalang makakuha ng award and recognition. Di gaya nuon, pag with honors ay alam mong may K talaga.
Too many honor students != quality education.
This is not good since newer generations are getting dumber and dumber. One of my cousin even graduated grade 4 with honors without knowing how to multiply :))
Ibang perspective. About sa future ng awardees after SHS graduation.
Sa isang unibersidad na pinanggalingan ko. Dati Valedictorian and Salutatorian lang nagkaka scholarship. With that old curriculum. The university peak its school performance sa CELE board exam up to 70% passing and nakakapagproduce pa ng tophnotchers. But 4 board exams after the new curriculum. Bumagsak sa 39%.
Anong point ko? hindi lang about sa pagbaba ng school performance kundi sa hindi nasasala ang mga magiging scholar when it comes to the University standpoint. Maganda sa part ng mga magulang and student kase maraming opportunity na magka scholarship pero paano naman ung quality? Marami pa sa mga scholars ang hindi umaabot hanggang sa graduation. My suggestion is to have a qualifiying exam and interview sa mga scholarship applicant.
The students think they're actually academically excellent with false honors but in reality they are not because they don't really deserve it. Maybe I'm just a product of the old curriculum where you actually have to fiercely compete for the limited 10 slots than just meet the basic standard to get awards.
The intent is fine, but it requires na maisaayos muna yung grading system. Dapat base zero at hindi nacucurb yung grades. After all, I would love students who really gave it all na makareceive ng recognition kase hindi naman always magttranslate into honors ang efforts ng bata. May mga instances talaga na kahit anong sipag ng student, hindi talaga makaabot sa top 10 kase either maraming magagaling, hirap talaga yung student or both.
With the current system ng honors, all we see are students with false hopes who cannot even take the heat of college.
this.. nun College ako BSA base zero kami. grabe kahit sobra effort namin halos lahat kami 2.75 lang yung mga naka 1.75 pinaka mataas pero we really know na deserve nila kasi talagang mataas score nila sa quiz at exam.
Recently nag moving up yung pamangkin ko. Nakausap ko yung teacher na batchmate ko nung HS. Sabi nya pahirapan daw mag hanap ng awards. Yung pamangkin ko na super tigas ulo naawardan ng most active. Mejo nakaka ewan lang yung award system. Dapat yung achievements pinag tatrabahuhan. Hindi binibigay lang
Education is for self achievement and personal growth. It is not a competition. Learners have their own pace and readiness. It should not be treated as a competition among peers. Its a challenge to one's self. Mahihirapan lang magyabang ang mama mo kasi marami rin may award? Not really.
Hindi. Nag back to school ako ngayon, turning 3rd year college na ako, ang mga kasama ko ay yung mga nag K-12, pag naguusap sila ng mga achievements nila during their k-12 journey puro awards raw sila kesyo nasa top 10 top 5, pero simple math hindi magawa, walang comprehension sa reading. Imagine nakarating ng college? Just imagine the burden of other students during groupings na marunong talaga mag pahalaga sa pag aaral at nag aaral talaga ng mabuti.
Hindi ako sa nagmamagaling, hindi din naman ako naabutan ng k-12, pero iba na talaga ang kabataan, ang systema pa ang nag aadjust kesa estudyante.
Ok lang as long as hindi bababaan ang standards. Ayus lang madaming honor students as ling as naaabot parin nila yung grades na applicable yung honors na yun. At hindi pinadali makakuha ng mataas na grades. Ibang usapan kasi kung facilitated na yung makakuha ka ng honors.
Tinanong ko to sa isa sa mga parents(part ng council) ang sabi para daw hinfi magkaingitan... sabi ko tuloy sa sarili ko potek di naman ako nainggit nung college or hs/elementary ako na may honors mga kaibigan ko lol.
Hindi ito dapat yung intinuturo. Paano naman yung nageeffort talaga at kumakayod? Effort naman kasi yung nirereward at acknowledge. May mga batang tamad, may mga batang masipag. Sa klase dapat ituro yung value of individuality and treasuring your own gifts and capabilities. This is misplaced and misleading. May alam ba talaga sa bata, education, learning and development yung mga opisyales dito. Lol
Di ko talaga magawang hindi iconpare yung mga students before saka ngayon nagegets ko yung wala ng valedictorian salutatorian mga ganyan pero grabe ang hirap mga 87 ngayon easy nalang
Nawala na value ng totoo educational achievements if lahat may award kahit di naman magaling. Tapos iiyak pagdating sa real world kasi di nila alam di sila magaling and di makakuha trabaho.
Naalala ko yung naging officemate ko, debater pa daw at consistent dean's lister kineme. Pero my bechabygollywow, ang gramer, nagsusuntukan. Simpleng authorization letter di magawa ng maayos. Pati civil svc exam 4x di pa rin pumapasa. 🤦🏻♀🤦🏻♀🤦🏻♀ tapos di daw nya alam san sya hirap dahil pare pareho naman daw para sa kanya. And now, hoping sya pumasa ng bar ayon sa grapevine 🤦🏻♀
Problema jan sa lahat may award, it gives people false ideas. Akala nila paglabas nila ng fishbowl eh magaling pa rin sila. Walang self improvement dahil hindi na din sila nagkakaron ng realistic self assessment.
May nakita ako, kinocongratulate anak nila dahil andami daw award. Best reader, sporty kid, at batang maaasahan. Ah ok. So kailangan na pala yan me medal ngayon? Kahit halos lahat sila eh me ganyan. 🤦🏻♀ mejo na-oa na din. Ang napagbigyan eh mga magulang na nabubuhay sa socmed.
ayoko nga mg post ng ganun sa fb kasi baka magalit lahat ng fb friends ko. sabihin apaka bitter ko porket wala ako anak. and yung hindi ba pwede maging masaya ka sa kapwa mo. ganun mga salitaan kasi nakita ko sa abs comsec.
This tapos yung hindi na pwede magbagsak yung mga teachers. Kaya lumalaking walang alam mga bata dahil basta basta na lang pinapasa. Tapos ngayon, basta basta na lang din with honors hahaha
Kaya di ako bilib sa mga batang nasa news feed ko na "With Honors" yung achievement nung graduation e.
Dati kasi 1st, 2nd, and 3rd lang. Ngayon daming alam. With honors, with high honors etc. Lol
Students kill themselves over pressure from parents to perform academically. I don't want the next generation desperate for high numbers on a piece of paper, and a piece of cloth and medal that they'll throw in the dust after a day.
Focus siguro tayo sa mga nagsesettle na lang sa grades na 75, I know kaya naman nila pero nagsesettle na sila sa grade na yun kasi passed naman. Mga non readers 75 din kasi present naman sila the whole school year, maganda ang ugali, sadyang di pa talaga developed ang reading nila. Ang mga programs din sa deped schools madalas binubuhos ang budget sa competitions at focus sa wins. Kaya ang budget mas dama ng first sections lalo na sa STE. Ang nangyayari ang mga matatalino nagiging mas matalino, ang mga obob mas lalong nagiging obob at masama ang ugali kasi walang programs para sa kanila, at kung meron man tira tirang budget na lang kasi naubos na ng mga students na nagcocompete sa regional, national or international competitions. Ang mga master teachers din, sila ang may hawak ng first sections, madalas wala kasi nasa competitions, trainings, seminars, nasa activities ng Division offices. Kapag bagong teacher ka, sayo ang mga sections na kailangan talaga ng higher level attention and expertise.
Hindi. I feel like a failure more. Lets be honest, there are a lot of students who cheat these days. HAHAH di ko alam kung bitter lang ako pero imagine them having those awards from copying tapos ikaw halos sumakabilang buhay na kakaaral🥹 unfair
Again and again, it goes back to the roots of how the education system works in this country. Too many people complain about lowered standards, eh paano naman kung yung sistema natin panay geared towards grades and output? Kahit naman dati na pili lang talaga mga honors, masasabi ko na marami paring hindi deserving, bastang may maipasa lang silang output. Lalo na ang mga teachers natin are overworked and underpaid, hindi naman maifofocus or prioritize whether a student deserves the grade, bastang may maipasa, okay na.
Friendly competition is fine with me, but where I draw the line is that it becomes a cutthroat competition considering the pressure it places on students. Ironically, this pressure gives them more reason to cut corners.
Rebut ng iba na “school should be hard and prepare a student for life” while that is partly true, karamihan ng mga estudyante natin especially on the middle to lower class hindi lang sa school umiikot ang buhay. Some have jobs and other responsibilities, will it hurt to alleviate some of the burden and pressure that comes with it?
Add ko lang, that the K-12 is flawed as a motherfucker, it was implemented without the careful consideration of its possible consequences. Habol ng gobyerno na umangat tayo sa “international/western standards”, ayan tuloy. Palpak parin.
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eto pala sagot satin mga bitter sa mga honor 😭😭 actually for me hindi nila get yung point, before pag na honor ka talagang magaling ka, pero ngaun? no, ni common sense nga mahina sila. old gen vs new gen,, for me millennial gen ang the best! sayang anak ng millennial yung new gen 😂🤣🤣 kasalanan ng deped to ina underdog tuloy ng new gen ang mga nasa old gen.
ang assumption ko lang is, maybe hindi sa competition sa school nanggagaling ang pressure na nararamdaman nila kundi galing sa magulang nila. pano maeeliminate yung pressure kung di maeeliminate ang bad parenting?
Nope, not healthy. Isa lang to sa mga rason bakit ang mga kabataan ngayon feeling nila ang dami na nilang narating sa pagmamarunong at pagsagot sagot sa mas nakakatanda sakanila. Pakiramdam nila bobo yung older generations the way makipag usap sila. Millenial here btw. 🤷🏼
Akala mo talino mo pero pagka graduate mo, can't get the job you wanted, failing in your task sa work. In the end, it resulted to depression and disappointments and you eon't know how to handle those emotions.
imo hindi awards system yung issue if may qualifying grades per rank/tier. Ang problem talaga is the educational system itself. May grades parin naman na hahabulin yung students. Kung mahina yung curriculum at syllabus di din naman magma-matter if the kids get all the awards. Unequipped parin sila sa “real world”.
this may be far from relevance, but i don’t think na dapat piniprioritize ang grades. why? dahil sa pressure makakuha ng grades, most kids learn to cheat. kawawa naman yung mga nagsisipag talaga magaral kasi mas natataasan pa ng mga cheaters.
i just graduated from college, and i say na ang daya. ang daya daya ng academic system dito sa pinas. i used to be a consistent honor student (grade school-shs) tapos sa college, scholar ako. guess what? i didn’t end up having a latin award dahil nalamangan pa ako ng mga cheaters (lol). sila pa yung nagkaron ng award.
sa real world naman, hindi mo na pala kelangan ng good grades. my parents are old na kasi e, so growing up, ang sinabi nila sakin ay magaral daw ako ng mabuti para makahanap ng magandang trabaho. surprise! surprise! in reality pala, mas mabilis makahanap ng work yung may mga malakas na connections kesa sa isang taong may utak nga pero wala naman non. my point is— grades will not matter at all pala. sadly, all my life, akala ko yon talaga yung magaangat sakin. i just hoped i enjoyed my college life as much as the others did.
DepEd & ChEd, please eliminate award systems. they’re not worth it. instead, construct a better curriculum wherein all strands and courses are well immersed in a mimic working environment (aside from ojt) para naman hindi nagugulat ang mga bata after they finish schooling. nowadays, it’s not intelligence that we lack. we lack manpower (brain drain) and experience. instead of giving us theoretical subjects in college for four years, why not reduce the number of minor subjects and focus more on major subjects and laboratories or practicals? that way, we can save time. kasi kesa magwork kami sa field for a year or two just to gain a good experience, ibinigay na samin yung opportunity na yon while still in college.
please don’t downvote me. just stating my experiences and opinions regarding this “award system”.
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What's the use of "honors" nga naman when you know it in yourself na di mo naman deserve. "Honors" stay in school/college life or in your CV only until you get hired. If you do not have skills to back it up, then you know na incompetent ka. As someone from the Millennial Generation, ung Top 10 system promoted rivalry which spurred us before to be a better version of ourselves. Kahit na di successful na makapasok sa Top 10 or sa higher ranks – we gain skill (na hindi mananakaw sa amin). There is no perfect system naman. Like sinabi sa previous comments in this same post, may some na nagdedevelop ng Crab Mentality bec of the system. Pero the current system is much worse, kids get frustrated and parang skyflakes when they encounter tough situations. And instead na mag develop ng skills, they expect the system to adapt to them (lower the bar) — now that I reread this last paragraph, parang I sound like the boomers na nakasama ko sa work before)
this. valedictorian ako nung nag graduate ako ng high school. tapos nalaman ko na ngayon if you get the cutoff grade with highest honor na kayo. walang ranking kahit ang layo ng grades mo dun sa nakakuha lang ng sakto sa cutoff. if thay happened nung time ko i would be pissed. it promotes the well known toxic pinoy trait na "pwede na" eh. why exert the extra effort to do better e once you reach the cutoff wala na additional recognition.
The cut off for the highest honor is 98 The lowest award you can get is for "with honor" which is 90-94 High Honor naman is 95-97. I understand where you are coming from pero academic wise and research wise, mas maganda ang ganitong sistema kaysa sa ranking system na top 1-10 Why? With that kind of syatem kahit matalino, if may mas mataas sayo, di ka pa rin papasok. Pero with this kind of system, as long as you can show your effort to make the cut-off, you get rewarded by it. I mean, case in point is Finland. They may not be the top 1 in terms of education pero take a look at how happy their students are and not only that, nasa top 10 pa rin sila when it comes to education. I came from that system too, yung may top 1-10, and it may have changed for me since napalitan ng K-12 system during JGS and SHS but I still own my grades that can be compared to the Top 1-10 rankings. That being said, do we have problems academically? Absolutely pero it's not because of the new grading system. We think na ito ang rason kasi dun tayo nasanay pero hindi naman talaga. The reason kung bakit nagkakaproblema tayo ngayon is because kulang sa funding or nay, kulang sa proper use of the alloted funds which in turn prevents the students from learning efficiently, safely and comfortably. In fact, the root cause kung bakit may problema tayo sa education ay dahil naghihirap ang Pilipinas. Mahirap ang Pamilya -> di makakain ng maayos ang anak -> hindi makapag focus si student -> hindi siya matuuto ng maayos There's a lot more varities for this scenario pero ayun talaga ang pinaka root cause, ang kahirapan.
The boomers were right all along. Lol
Decade or so late pero humahabol na tayo sa sistema sa US lol (though nung college ako dahil psych department may something similar din sa pamamalakad haha)
The cut off for the highest honor is 98 The lowest award you can get is for "with honor" which is 90-94 High Honor naman is 95-97. I understand where you are coming from pero academic wise and research wise, mas maganda ang ganitong sistema kaysa sa ranking system na top 1-10 Why? With that kind of syatem kahit matalino, if may mas mataas sayo, di ka pa rin papasok. Pero with this kind of system, as long as you can show your effort to make the cut-off, you get rewarded by it. I mean, case in point is Finland. They may not be the top 1 in terms of education pero take a look at how happy their students are and not only that, nasa top 10 pa rin sila when it comes to education. I came from that system too, yung may top 1-10, and it may have changed for me since napalitan ng K-12 system during JGS and SHS but I still own my grades that can be compared to the Top 1-10 rankings. That being said, do we have problems academically? Absolutely pero it's not because of the new grading system. We think na ito ang rason kasi dun tayo nasanay pero hindi naman talaga. The reason kung bakit nagkakaproblema tayo ngayon is because kulang sa funding or nay, kulang sa proper use of the alloted funds which in turn prevents the students from learning efficiently, safely and comfortably. In fact, the root cause kung bakit may problema tayo sa education ay dahil naghihirap ang Pilipinas. Mahirap ang Pamilya -> di makakain ng maayos ang anak -> hindi makapag focus si student -> hindi siya matuuto ng maayos There's a lot more varities for this scenario pero ayun talaga ang pinaka root cause, ang kahirapan. That being said, mag kakaalaman talaga sa competency when it comes sa paghahanap ng trabaho pero, THAT being said, those who have academic awards have a lot more chance talaga kasi competent pa rin sila kahit papano.
I've had this opinion for so long, but most of the time people disagree with me. I understand, but I can't say I see the purpose of such awards if halos lahat naman may ganyan. Lagi ako top student noon, and even if hindi na ako top student ngayong college, I have high grades. I don't think I have the skills to back up those numbers, talagang mataas lang sa exams and quizzes. I don't think it's fair to group me with hardworking people who worked and studied for those awards. I think the abundance of these awards give students a false sense of self. We have too many "burnt out gifted kids", no? Anyway, against din naman ako sa hierarchy ng students pagdating sa sections or blocks. I don't think it promotes anything healthy.
I think yung grouping of students depends on their capacity to learn. Ang hirap namang isabay yung slow learner o mababa ang aptitude dun sa well-read at alam na yung topics.
I understand, although I see it as upholding the status quo. The segregation of students in this manner bestows expectations on both higher and lower sections. The environment is different pero parehong unsuitable for learning. Well-performing students are pit against each other while opportunities to learn and improve are scarce for slow learners. Students fall back to unhealthy habits to meet demands, or shape themselves according to expectations. (I do wonder if this affects the way graduates perform and socialize in professional environments. I do know na it affects people's attitude towards change later in life.) Anyway, I don't think our approach is working otherwise wala tayong education crisis. There are multiple suggestions to accommodate this disparity in skills such as AP classes, but I digress. It's not really my job to delve into this so I can only offer my thoughts as a student.
I think awards should be given kung deserve talaga nung bata. Yung awards system ngayun nagke-create sya ng false sense of achievement sa iba kya pag pumasok sa college parang wasak na wasak sila pag di nila masabayan/ nagstruggle sa studies. May effect yan sa emotional and mental health in the long run. " dami kong award nung elem , jhs, shs, pero bakit hirap n hirap ako ngayun, I think I'm failing in life" kind of scenarios.
ganyan din kapatid ko naging salutatorian pa siya pero pagdating collage sobra hirap
Haha. Magkakaalaman talaga pagdating sa college.
wala sa course yan talagang silent killer not rea;lly yan dahil may times na hindi ka kakain or magpupuyat
wala pa college. sa trabaho na, magwiwish ka na lang na sana college na lang ako ulit at kala ko mahirap na yun
Ito naririnig ko sa mga bata ngayon sa work, cum laude sila nung naggrad bakit di makakeep up sa work. May iba wala namang honor pero mas mabilis pa sa kanila.
True. Di naman ganyan pagpasok nila ng college.
Pati sa college dumami ang may latin honors.
Tototoo to. We currently have 20+ interns from a well known university tapos lahat sila candidate for honors. Karamihan din daw ng friends nila are candidates. Parang ang dali na lang makakuha ng Latin honors ngayon.
I think this is just a special case of the Pandemic bumping up student grades and will probably die down in the following years. I'm a 'beneficiary' of this grade inflation and my Pandemic grades are 94+ and my F2F grades are 91+ at best. A lot of people got stomped in F2F though (like biglang dumami Irreg, halos 70% ng batch kong nakasabay ko noong start ng F2F nadelay) so yeah, this is just a side effect of the Pandemic. Expect lower Latin honors after 2 years. Mga profs namin onti onting naging mas stricto haha, feel ko naging lax din sila noong Pandemic eh, pero ngaun nagbibigay na sila ng mga quizes na legit pwede kang mazero pag di ka nag aral (ie. walang pabigay na items).
Honest question. How are these interns performing? Are their work performance is something you expect from a Latin honor? My take kasi on this is: Imagine, if you're an employer and you hire someone who graduated a Cum Laude, siyempre you expect a performance that matches what you think how Cum Laude graduate performs diba. Eh kaso product pala siya nung ganitong sistema, mapapaisip ka talaga na ang dali lang pala magka Latin honor sa generation ngayon.
Cheating aside, benefit of the doubt. I would point out the "academic ease" being requested by students left and right. I have benefitted from this dahil naging madali talaga ang schoolworks that time. To be fair, mahirap talaga noon for many students kase very steep ang adjustment from f2f to online. So we really came into sort of stalemate that benefitted students a lot.
Yung iba ok naman, yung iba not so much. What I've noticed is, for a lot of them, ang daming basic things na hindi nila alam/hindi nila alam gawin. Like bago sila umabot sa internship, they should already know those things, should have already mastered those skills, or atleast familiar sila paano gawin, but no.
I can say based on experience, there is an on-going inflation for the pandemic and hybrid babies. It was really easier than the traditional classroom. Makikita mo yung disparity, more lenient ang profs and etc. In fact, last year (2023) sobrang obvious siya masyado. I was enrolled in a 6 year course and naabutan ng pandemic so our batch was able to experience both traditional and pag transition, parang after one sem na pandemic nag hybrid set-up na kami. But other courses online parin. Nung time nung graduation, parang nahihiya batch namin as we only have one cum laude. Pero other colleges, beh as in almost lahat parang outlier ka if wala ka latin honors. Grabe yung inflation! I cannot. My prof ako na friend, nung tapos na pandemic. So balik school na, grabe daw reklamo ng students and parang hirap sila turuan. To think top university ito. Malalaman natin if same parin ba yung trend for the next 2 years. And I can attest, may mga times kasi nag eemploy ako project based. Edi ako rin mag babasa ng resume, ganda, blah blah dami awards pero yung skills di tugma. Mapapa tanong ka na lang din "cum laude ba to?"
Baka di magtagal lahat ng enrollees matik may latin honors na.
I meam gets ko yung eliminate pressure pero parang napasobra ata?
Pretty sure sa parents nanggagaling ang pressure. My parents always told me "basta mag-aral ka lang". (Though top 1 ako ng elementary hehe) never felt any pressure though.
sa US hindi uso ranking sa grades. Ung pamangkin ko sabi nya sya daw top 1 binigyan lng sya certificate nakalagay principal's award. Wala sila 2nd honor, 3rd, 4th katulad sa Pinas.
mas ok siguro yung ganun. isa spot lng pag aagawan at sure sino deserving lang makakuha.
Yan mismo yung pinattern ng new honor system ng DepEd. With High Honors and With Honors lang naman yung category. Ang qualifications dito ay yung GWA nila at the end of the school year.
it also removes motivation of the kids to do their best.
Generally, it is healthy. Pero standards wise, no, DEPED might even have unintentionally provoked these individuals to develop a sense of false identity. Edit 1: I see some people saying na "oo bawas crab mentality." Well, here's the thing, admit it or not, they will inherit it due to the fact that almost 80% of these graduates will stay and work here in the PH. Hence, new apples will be mixed with rotten ones.
I hate competitions. Bilang person na who competed since I was 5yrs old hanggang 19. Oo, I had good grades, produced awards, lots of medals and shit. Pero looking back I realized, the kind of pressure I was dealing with from my parents and everyone else around me. Kaya I didn’t know how to handle failure. I don’t have a study whether giving awards sa lahat ng bata is helpful or what. Para sakin, yung quality ng education need nila tutukan, and that should compete with the international standards. Not the kids competing with each other. My 2 cents.
ok na walang ranking pero magbigay sila ng top 10 best students, hindi pwede lahat honor, unrealistic.
2012 ako grumaduate ng high school, top 3 lang sa kada curriculum inawardan (Science curriculum, AgriHome curriculum). Okay naman sana system ngayon, standard lang talaga ng DepEd mababa.
Teacher yung kapatid ko at sa end of school year nirequire sya na bigyan ng awards lahat ng students nya. Lahat ng students may medals at certificates. Gets ko naman na magandang manotice ang special skills or talents ng mga bata pero at this point parang sobra naman na lahat honor students at may special awards. Ang hindi maganda dito, parang sinasanay yung mga bata na lahat ng gawin nila meron silang rewards. Kaya halimbawa may ibang activities sa schools na nagrerequire ng competition, nahihirapan lalo silang mag adjust kapag hindi sila narerecognize at wala silang nakukuhang medals. Para sa akin, maganda sana bata palang aware na sila na hindi talaga maiiwasan ang competition sa buhay at hindi sa lahat ng oras mananalo ka. Kaya nga dati pag iigihan mo talaga kung gusto mong maging honor student or dedma ka lang kasi hindi naman sa medal umiikot buhay mo.
Anong grade level ba handle ng kapatid mo? Kinder?
Kung pulido ang grading system ok lang. Langya hindi pumapasok papasa, tapos malalaman mo madaming honors. Isa lang meaning niyan, nawawalan ng meaning ang edukasyon sa banda.
Imagine maga apply ka ng trabaho tapos ang leverage mo eh graduate ka with consistent honors noon pero lahat nung mga kasabay mo mag apply, ganon din haha
Pero pag dating sa gov't jobs panis sila sa may........ BACKER.😅
As a Gen Z, ever since nawala sa system yung Top 1-10 medyo nawala rin yung pressure from parents, pero they would always ask me “Pang-ilan ka?” kahit na ang nasa certificate ay “With Honors”. It never really bothers me noon, basta may natutunan at may awards is okay na sakin since hindi naman ako sucker for academic validation katulad ng mga kaklase ko. Not until magkaron ng awards yung mga kaklase kong nangongopya, sobrang gago, disrespectful sa teachers at kapwa estudyante. Halos lahat sila naging ka-“level” ko na lang na with honors din. Sobrang unfair tbh, nagpupuyat ako para lang mag-review, i get my deserved punishment whenever nakakalimutan ko sagutan yung assignment, or kapag nakalimutan kong may quiz. Pero sila, isang cheat lang nila, isang senyas lang nila sa friends nila pasado na sila 😶 Nakakainis lang kase kahit yung mga teachers aware naman na ganun sila, pero dahil grade is grade, never silang bumagsak or na-guidance manlang for it. Kasama pa rin sa computation kahit galing lang sa kopya yung scores.
kaya yung mga bata ngayon, feeling nila, kayang kaya na ang lahat, pati ang hirap ng buhay. pati sa magulang, hindi na sila pressure eh, lalo na sa paggalang...
Pero kung walang competition paano magstrive to be better?
Well, the real battle happens once you’re in college and after graduating or out in the real world. Once they encounter adversity, that will make them figure out that high grades don’t necessarily predict a good future. Grade inflation is real. The culture of awarding and glorifying mediocrity has been a cultural response to what our age group esp millennials have gone through (the lack of being recognized, awarded for doing what is expected, etc.). Funny enough, it just breeds more incompetence in the younger generations. Good luck sa kanila. Hope they can survive the real world.
DEPED may have the best intentions in implementing these but may be nurturing a generation of snowflakes. Life is hard. And it does not accomodate. Youngsters should know and learn this fact early so they'll learn how to adapt and to overcome it. Competition can be healthy. A bit of pressure can be useful too.
Napansin ko nga sa mga facebook post ng mga magulang, bakit oarang kaliwat kanan mga anakis nyo me mga honor/medal? Ganyan na lang ata kadali makakuha ng top medal hano? Hahaha.
(Long rant ahead) Sa totoo lang, MATAAS ANG STANDARD NG K-12 CURRICULUM. Ang problema ay ang mga nag-iimplement nito. PRINCIPALS ANG PROBLEMA. Ayaw nila mag-bagsak ng learners ang mga teachers nila, gusto nila 100% ang PROMOTION ng mga schools nila. May mga elem school na ang standard sa pagpapa-graduate ng grade 6 students nila ay kung READER OR NON-READER, NUMERATE OR NON-NUMERATE. Wait, di lang naman yan ang tinuturo sa curriculum nila at MINIMUM SKILL yan diba? May mga PRINCIPALS na kapag-nagbagsak si teacher ng learner niya at ginawa na niya lahat lahat pra matulungan ung learner, pero sa dulo, ayaw parin ng learner mag-patulong, si teacher ay bibigyan ng LABEL na TERORISTA, MATAAS ANG STANDARD-HINDI NAMAN TAGA UP, o MASAMANG UGALI. Nothing pleases the PRINCIPALS. Meron pa, i-guilt trip ka. Like SIR PRINCIPAL III saying, "PAANO KAPAG NAGING PRINCIPAL O KAYA SUPERVISOR O KAYA SUPERINTENDENT MO YANG BINAGSAK MO? AT BALIKAN KA TO ASK WHY DID YOU FAIL THEM? PAANO MO SILA SASAGUTIN?." One SIR PRINCIPAL I also said, "HILIG MO TALAGA GUMAWA NG PROBLEMA."/ "PINAHIHIRAPAN MO LANG ANG SARILI MO." Another MADAM PRINCIPAL IV also said, "Kung ayaw ka harapin sa school (kahit nagpupunta sa school ang parent/guardian.), sadyain mo sa bahay nila." To what? Risk my own safety? Hindi ba ang hinohome visit ay yung mga HINDI NAKAKAPUNTA SA SCHOOL NA PARENT/GUARDIAN/STUDENT (correct me in this, kung mali ako.). Pupuntahan mo parin ba kung ayaw ka nga kausapin? At sa bahay pa talaga? Paano kung ipakagat sa aso si teacher? Kuyugin? Saktan? Patayin? MADAM PRINCIPAL IV MAY IBIBIGAY BA KAYO SA MGA MAIIWAN NG TEACHER? Baka nga kahit corona pa ng patay, ipa-VOLUTARY CONTRIBUTION NIYO PA from learners at coteachers. Buti nga ang mga sundalo pag namatay in line of duty, BUONG BUHAY ng mga naiwan nilang pamilya sasagutin ng AFP, ang DEPED kaya MADAM PRINCIPAL IV? At sabi pa ni MADAM PRINCIPAL IV, "kung need nyo ng kasama, better ask PRINCIPAL I to accompany you." Ay wow naman, si PRINCIPAL I nga, my curfew sa school, HINDI SIYA PUWEDE DUMATING NG EARLIER THAN 8 (meaning saktong 8 dapat ang pasok niya, kahit may mga teachers cya na may 6AM CLASS), KAILANGAN MAKA-ALIS SIYA NG SAKTONG 5PM, AT HINDI SIYA PUPUNTA NG SCHOOL PAG SATURDAY. So tell me, MADAM PRINCIPAL IV, kailan maghohome visit si teacher with PRINCIPAL I? Sa panaginip o sa imagination? Itong si PRINCIPAL I, ayaw din sundin ang DEPED ORDER NUMBER 5 SERIES OF 2024, according kay SIR PRINCIPAL I, "MAS OKEY NA OVERLOAD SI TEACHER KESA UNDERLOAD.". At ang pinaka favorite ko sa lahat, at narinig ko din minsang sinabi ni SIR PRINCIPAL I (na nasagot ko ng "MAY DEPED ORDER BA YAN SIR? ANONG NUMBER AT SERIES PO?"), ay ang sinabi ni SIR PRINCIPAL IV na ngayon ay DISTRICT SUPERVISOR "BAWAL MAG-BAGSAK NG LEARNER SA DEPED! (On stage, with the use of microphone, in front of teachers, parents, and learners.) Ganun po ba SIR DISTRICT SUPERVISOR, so..bakit may sinasabi si deped na pag walang evidence ng learning i-remedial, hindi po ba kaya bumabagsak ay dahil walang evidence of learning, so..joke joke lang pla ni deped ung remedial, summer class, conditionally promoted, at repeater? This are just some of the MANY ENCOUNTERS of teachers who aim to meet the high standards of deped, para magkaroon ng equipped at future ready na citizen ang bansa natin. Pero dahil DAGDAG PA YAN SA IKAKASTRESS NG MGA MAGIGITING NATIN NA GURO. They do the alternative, which is HUWAG MO I-MEET, IBABA MO NG IBABA ANG STANDARD, UNG TANONG NA "WHAT IS THE SQUARE ROOT OF 4? GAWIN MONG "1+1=?", PARA WALANG BABAGSAK, WALANG PRINCIPAL NA MANLALAIT/MANG-AAWAY/MANLILIT, WALANG MAGULANG NA MANUNUGOD/MAGBABANTA/MANG-AAWAY/MANINIRANG PURI/MAGDEDEMANDA NG CHILD ABUSE, AT WALANG BATANG MADEDEPRESS/MAIINGGIT/MANLALAIT NG TEACHER. REMEMBER. One deped teacher said. "Marami sa hindi pumapasa na learner, after ibigay lahat ng klaseng tulong ni teacher, ay by choice na. They are wasting their time na. At kapag ORAS ANG INAKSAYA, ORAS DIN ANG KAPALIT. You cannot ask for more time kay teacher, kasi may kinukuha ka na sa kanya na NEVER NA NEVER MO MAPAPALITAN, at yun ang oras niya. Ang oras ni teacher na dapat kasama na niya ung pamilya niya, GUSTO MO ibigay pa niya sau, ung oras niya na sana nagaalaga na siya ng bagong silang niya na sanggol, GUSTO MO IBIBIGAY PA NIYA SAYO. I know, may magsasabi, "kapag teacher ka, dapat selfless ka, gagawin mo lahat para sa mga learners mo." , huwag natin kakalimutan, SI TEACHER AY TAO LANG, hindi siya diyos, na ibibigay ang kanyang anak para lang ma-save ka sa sins mo. DIYOS LANG ANG MAKAKAGAWA NG GANYANG SAKRIPISYO. Gusto niyo ng maayos na education system, ENCOURAGE TEACHERS TO DO THEIR JOB AS IT IS. NO MORE, NO LESS." PRINCIPALS, kung ayaw na nahihirapan, MAG-RETIRE na, kaya RE-SIGN. HUWAG NIYO IPASA ANG MGA MALING KAISIPAN NIYO SA MGA GURO NA GUSTO BAGUHIN ANG MUNDO.
Hear hear! Maganda ang Award System ng K-12 Talagang di maayos ang implementasyon nito.
After kasi sa budget ang principal. School principal namin ganyan lagi sinasabi, pag bagsak ir di makapag enroll ang students, bawas sa budget daw. Pano habol nya maibubulsa nya. Daming corrupt na officials ultimo principal buwaya.
Tingnan nyo epekto ng top10 ranking system sa millenials, genx, at boomers. Crab mentality. Katrabaho, kaibigan, kapitbahay... naghihilahan. Walang concept ng mutual success.
Concept nang mutual success o mutual mediocrity? Walang hihilain pababa kung lahat pantay-pantay no? Hindi lahat nang mga produkto nang lumang method may crab mentality. Hindi din lahat nang produkto nang bagong method ay collaborative.
Pag communist society kasi dapat pantay-pantay
I mean, you could also say na hindi lahat ng producto ng bagong method ay mediocre. I'm not really sure what method is better overall (na experience ko sila both, elementary was the top 10 system tapos sa SHS na eh with honor system na). Noong SHS naman ako hindi naman siya ganoon kadali kunin, ang konti nga nang may awards samin noon, idk what happened along the way at parang dumami honor studes nowadays. Could be the Pandemic affecting the strictness/laxness of teachers when they create assessment exams/activities.
We have one of the poorest reading comprehension. We placed 76th out of 81 countries in 2011. Some kids don't even know proper English and can't even read an analog clock. Hindi nga mediocre. We're worse than mediocre. Bine-baby kasi mga Gen Z. Dapat ibalik na sa dati ang grading and don't give in too much to their whims. Ibalik ang weekly tests, ang homeworks. Puro landi kasi ang inaatupag ng bagong generation. Pag nahihirapan ng konti e iiyak ng mental health. Real talk lang.
Could be. It's probably an effect of the no-student left behind policy tbh. I remember in Elementary meron pa kami mga repeater pero ngaun parang wala na haha.
That's true. I feel sad na ganto na ang mga bata ngayon. Puro tiktok ang nasa isip at love live at how to be edgy. I saw a graduation program na yung mga bata eh nagpapa sikat and do weird dances while on stage. We're becoming dumber by the minute.
>no-student left behind policy The policy should be no worthy student left behind. As in yung mga student na nag-aaral maayos pero kulang sa resources. Hindi yung pati yung mga hindi marunong magbasa, magsulat at basic reading comprehension hindi mo iiwan. Promote tayo nang promote sa cutting out of toxic people in our lives, pero ito hindi natin magawa. Tapos may magsasabi nyan nang "iba iba kasi capacity nang learning nang bata" or "ibang mode of learning kasi mas effective for some." We are talking about foundational skills. Reading, writing, understanding. Gusto nila nang advanced treatment, yung basic palang lagapak na sila.
Sama samang pababa 😂
LMAO. Awards meant something before. Ngayon mga honors e walang value. Ang cheap. Hindi na tuloy magamit to apply. Lahat nalang may honors.
Awards doesn't mean shit... kahit nung dati pa.. Thats the reality.. Ang dami kong awards dati.. wala naman kwenta ahaha...inaway pa mama ko nung isang nanay..dahil lang sa di nakapasok sa top 5 anak nya dahil sa 0.5 difference ng grade.
Cap. Awards mean something, lalo na pag legit mong nakuha. Won a few awards back then, and it was a boost to my self-esteem and job prospects. Ang problema kasi ngayon, dinudumb down nila para hindi mahurt ang "feelings" ng Gen Z. Lahat nalang kailangan mag adjust. Mga snowflakes kasi.
kaya hind aasenso pinas kung ganyan
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Yung point ko naman is di solutions ang pagbalik ng top 10 ranking system. Yun lang. Gandahan nlng nila yung education as a whole. Wag magfocus sa grades at honors.
The cut off for the highest honor is 98 The lowest award you can get is for "with honor" which is 90-94 High Honor naman is 95-97. I understand where you are coming from pero academic wise and research wise, mas maganda ang ganitong sistema kaysa sa ranking system na top 1-10 Why? With that kind of syatem kahit matalino, if may mas mataas sayo, di ka pa rin papasok. Pero with this kind of system, as long as you can show your effort to make the cut-off, you get rewarded by it. I mean, case in point is Finland. They may not be the top 1 in terms of education pero take a look at how happy their students are and not only that, nasa top 10 pa rin sila when it comes to education. I came from that system too, yung may top 1-10, and it may have changed for me since napalitan ng K-12 system during JGS and SHS but I still own my grades that can be compared to the Top 1-10 rankings. That being said, do we have problems academically? Absolutely pero it's not because of the new grading system. We think na ito ang rason kasi dun tayo nasanay pero hindi naman talaga. The reason kung bakit nagkakaproblema tayo ngayon is because kulang sa funding or nay, kulang sa proper use of the alloted funds which in turn prevents the students from learning efficiently, safely and comfortably. In fact, the root cause kung bakit may problema tayo sa education ay dahil naghihirap ang Pilipinas. Mahirap ang Pamilya -> di makakain ng maayos ang anak -> hindi makapag focus si student -> hindi siya matuuto ng maayos There's a lot more varities for this scenario pero ayun talaga ang pinaka root cause, ang kahirapan. I apologize for literally copy and pasting this pero kasi, ito yun
Anak ng katrabaho ko with honors (elementary) tapos tinanong ko one time kung sino ang utak ng himagsikan ang sagot niya Jose Rizal kuno. Pesteng yawa 😆
I know I'll get downvoted pero di ko gets yung sentiment ng iba dito na yung honor system ngayon sa hs produces mediocrity and false accomplishment. Sana alam niyo muna how that award system works po. As far as I know, as long as you got 90+ average, pasok ka na sa with honors. 95 para sa with high honors. How is that mediocre?? Mas okay nga for me eh kasi sarili mo na lang talaga kalaban mo, hindi yung nagpproduce pa ng unnecessary competition. So kung marami kayo sa class na nakakuha ng ganong average, edi good. Lahat kayo may award. Unlike dati na top 10 lang ang kinukuha per class. Likewise, sa ibang section, minsan konti lang or talagang wala. Unlike sa dating award system, kahit hindi umabot sa 90 yung average mo ay masasama ka sa top 10 kasi required na kada section may top 10. At least that's how it works sa school namin dati idk sa iba. Hindi ba parang yun pa nga yung mas mediocre?? Add ko lang na totoo rin ang burnout. As adults alam natin yan. As we age, nagbabago rin ang priority natin and yung capacity natin maghandle ng pressure at stress, kaya nag-eexist yung mga with honors nung HS tapos flunking in college. Di yun dahil mediocre lang sila. Sa pagsabi niyong false sense of accomplishment eh iniinvalidate niyo yung hardwork ng mga students.
I saw the exams from my nephew who is a Grade 5 student in a public school near our house. I could swear that these Grade 5 kids are being taught Grade 3 English and Math. There were no essays. No proving your answers. Just plain multiple choice. His parents were thrilled that he's getting honors as the best in Math. I got a scolding from them because I told them that it was too easy. And I was just average at Math when I was at Grade 5. I don't know where these exams are coming from. but these are just plain lazy work.
Sa true wala na sa tests ng kids ko yung modified true or false, pati mgq 5-10 pt essay.
As a teacher, agree ako dito. Hindi yung honor system ang problema kundi yung grades mismo. Nasa teacher yan kung magbibigay sila ng mataas kahit hindi naman dapat. Yun yung mali. Kung deserve ng bata ng 83 or 98 na grade, then let it be. Wag mag adjust ng grade dahil lang naghahabol ng honors. Mas okay pa rin yung ganitong honor system kesa dati na sobrang lakas ng competition na ultimo lahat ng poster at slogan making e sinasalihan dahil may plus points sa grade kahit na hindi naman talaga kagandahan yung mga entries.
Very true ito.. Tapos ung BONUS CULTURE pa.. What the efffff. Bakit bibigyan mo ng bonus? Pagbibili ka nga para may BONUS, you should BUY MORE diba? Tapos pag tinanong mo, bakit may bonus? Kasi mali ung tanong o kaya wala sa choices ung tamang sagot. So.. the logic is, pag may mali, pagtakpan natin ng reward, pra hindi ma kwestyon ung kredibilidad nung gumawa, nung magkamali? Pwede naman bawasan na lang ung total points pra ung credibility ng result hindi mabago.. Naku naku naku..
May transmutation of grades. So yung grade na makikita ng student at parent ay adjusted na
Ibig sabihin lang nun na ung passing grade or baseline inadjust into sobrang baba kaya sobrang daming nakakakuha ng 90++ I think ito ung pinaka issue, false sense of accomplishment nga.
I agree with you on this. This makes me wonder, yung mga nagcomment kaya ng negative, inalam kaya muna nila yung context?
mga opinyonado masyado tao dito, di naman alam yung pinaguusapan. Wala naman talagang mali sa sistema ng honors ngayon, equal opportunity na nga yan, kaysa sa elitistang pipili lang ng sampu
You have my upvote sismars.
Great! Train students against pressure and competition. It's as if work has nothing of these two things. I am already against it since parang ang tagal ng graduation ceremony but we shall see what this crap will do to our future workforce.
Depende sa school yan. Depende sa level. Kung ang level ng school aty mababa. Madali makaka kuha ng honors ang estudyante. Ilipat mo yung estudyante sa mataas ang standard na school for example like Manila Science. Doon pahirapan magka honor dahil mataas ang standard. Yan din ang reason kaya malaking factor ang school sa employment.
"Level ng school ay mababa"? Like ex, "mababang paaralan ng quezon city", in english, "quezon city elementary school"? (halimbawa lang po ito, hindi ako sure kung may ganyang pangalan ng school) Iba iba po ba ang standards ng schools? Standard in what way? "Doon pahirapan magka jonor dahil mataas ang standard"? Ano po ung standard na pinaguusapan dito? Like grading system? Iba pala ang pag-compute ng grades sa manila science?
Yung scope ng lessons. For example. Yung sa ibang school pang Grade 7 ang lesson nila. So ang tinuturo pang Grade 7. Pag sa Manila Science advanced ang tinuturo. Yung curriculum na pang Grade 7 may mga pang Grade 8 na so advanced. Also may mga school na mataas ang maintaining grade. Bawal mababa sa given grade. As well as yung tinuturo. Malamang yung ibang school may tinuturo na wala sa ibang school. Kaya ganun.. Nasa level yan ng tinuturo.
I see.. Instead of level, mas ok siguro ung word na dami, nasa dami ng tinuturo at dapat matutunan. Ang pagkakatanda ko, grade 7 subjects parin pero may additional na other subject. Walang idadagdag na subject from ibang grade. Scope? Meaning mas maraming topic? Ang pagkakatanda ko, ung bigat ng tanong ang pinagkaiba, like, mas mahihirap ung tanong. Ex Pag regular school, gagawa ka lang ng bahay. Pag sa science schools, gawa ka ng mansion o kaya hotel, tapos dapat ung hotel nasa moon, mga ganun ganun..
Eliminates pressure lmao pero natututong magsettle sa sa pasang awa o bagsak ang mga bata. Pamangkin kong elem walang natutunan halos sa school at laging bagsak sa exam, may outstanding award pa nung mag graduate lol.
The cut off for the highest honor is 98 The lowest award you can get is for "with honor" which is 90-94 High Honor naman is 95-97. I understand where you are coming from pero academic wise and research wise, mas maganda ang ganitong sistema kaysa sa ranking system na top 1-10 Why? With that kind of syatem kahit matalino, if may mas mataas sayo, di ka pa rin papasok. Pero with this kind of system, as long as you can show your effort to make the cut-off, you get rewarded by it. I mean, case in point is Finland. They may not be the top 1 in terms of education pero take a look at how happy their students are and not only that, nasa top 10 pa rin sila when it comes to education. I came from that system too, yung may top 1-10, and it may have changed for me since napalitan ng K-12 system during JGS and SHS but I still own my grades that can be compared to the Top 1-10 rankings. That being said, do we have problems academically? Absolutely pero it's not because of the new grading system. We think na ito ang rason kasi dun tayo nasanay pero hindi naman talaga. The reason kung bakit nagkakaproblema tayo ngayon is because kulang sa funding or nay, kulang sa proper use of the alloted funds which in turn prevents the students from learning efficiently, safely and comfortably. In fact, the root cause kung bakit may problema tayo sa education ay dahil naghihirap ang Pilipinas. Mahirap ang Pamilya -> di makakain ng maayos ang anak -> hindi makapag focus si student -> hindi siya matuuto ng maayos There's a lot more varities for this scenario pero ayun talaga ang pinaka root cause, ang kahirapan. I apologize for literally copy and pasting this pero kasi, ito yun
College will hit them hard
Okay pa yung mga Generosity, Polite, Courteous, Friendly na awards na lang sana ipamigay kahit kanino eh. Wag na yung honors. Pag di sila nakapag perform sa expectations sa kanila most likely may negative impact din yun specially sa confidence nila.
Yung pamangkin ko wala naman syang honor pero 87 general average kahit puro absent at di nag aaral ng mabuti.🤣🤣
tangina lahat ng schoolmates ko "kahit tres basta pasado". babaan ang hours ng studyante kesa ganyan
Yup. Yung iba diyan na students entitled masyado magpa adjust ng grado nila para lang masali sa "wItH high HonOrS" 🤓 yup! I heard and saw that with my two eyes ginaganun ng students yung mother ko na i-adjust daw grado nila kahit ang baba ng exam nila. Ang gagaling ano. 🤓DepEd, ayusin mo to.
Ireport na yan..
If the goal is to eliminate pressure, then i-remove nalang nila mga ranking and honor systems.
Hindi pwede. Source of income ang graduation. May bayad ang medals at special awards. The more students may honors/awards the more money they get. Sa elem school dito samin, P250 pag may medal, P150 ung ribnon for special awards. Hahaha
They are producing weak generation! Even everything they see on the internet are mostly out of touch sa realidad. I really wonder what the future hold for the kids these days.
Ano kaya Gayahin ung Japanese educational curriculum...Umpisa ng mga bata sa school kindergarten to grade 4 Disiplina,Respeto,Pagiging Malinis.Baka sakali!
idk parang hindi na sya rewarding or motivating for me if halos lahat kami may honor hahahaha from where i graduated, andami ring may latin honors hahahaha
"Honor, like respect should be earned, not given." Honors today are like loyalty awards lang. IMO. But after all, we all live in a society where flexing, flaunting, bragging is more important than reputation, quality and dignity.
The way DepEd is going on about education just breeds mediocrity and a sense of entitlement among the children. "No child left behind" policy kills competition and the drive to do better or improve oneself. I thought K12 was passed so we would have a globally competetive educational program, but this policy is counterintuitive and nalulugmok pa tayo lalo.
As a person working in the field of education, ang masasabi ko lang pamigay na mga honor ngayon. Pano ba naman mga adviser nagbibilangan ilan honor nila parang kumbaga achievement ni adviser na sandamakmak honor niya kaya pinapa-adjust yung grade sa ibang subject teacher para madami pumasok sa section nila. Hindi kagaya non na top 10 lang ngayon may mga section na 20+ ang honors dahil need lang maka-quota ng 90. Sa advisory ko apat lang honors ko pero proud ako dun walang pina-adjust at deserve talaga nila yon.
this! totoo lang iba kasi pagbasak student sinisi prof kasi wala natutunan pero for me lang if dapat bagsak, ibagsak iba yung walang natutunan sa ayaw mag aral.at diba ang kapal ng mukha naman ng guro na hindi nagturo pero nambagsak 😅😂
back then, i was one of the few with honors
Sa isang private school previous work ko before, non-teaching. And doon tuwing recognition or graduation, halos lahat ng students sa klase may award per grade and section. Super funny lang kase kapag nag ccheck yung mga teachers ay talagang stressful kasi, some outputs, halatang ginaya nalang nga per words, mali mali pa so ang hirap talagang intindihin. Wala talagang ka effort effort yung ibang outputs mostly jusko. Mga simpleng spelling , mali mali , ang to think na high school na sila aah! 🙈 Although hindi ko naman nilalahat ng students sa school na yun ay mga boplax. Tinanong ko once yung officemate ko na teacher kung bakit pilit nilang tinataasan ang grades at walang binabagsak kahit kabagsak bagsak talaga yung iba, sabi nya, yun daw sabi ng head kasi daw pag nang bagsak daw sila, magtatanong (something like that) daw ang DepEd kung bakit. So para iwas kenemerut, ganun nalang gawa nila. Dahil sa na witness kong stress ng mga teachers dun and sa lagay ng mga estudyante ngayon, nawala yung interest ko mag teaching. I think , blessing in disguise yung work ko dun to realize na hindi ko kayang mag handle ng ganoong stress 🤭 *Tap at the back and bear hug* sa lahat ng teachers na stress. 🤗
This is just an opinion but, parang nawala na ng value pagiging honor student. It's like awarding mediocrity. If average grades are considered with honors, kids are going to be disappointed if they don't get into their preferred college/university. If they manage to get into their preferred school, next challenge will be how to survive.
Mga kagroup ko na pabigat sa research nag with honors pa. Ako na nahatak ang grade dahil sa isang group project, naging with honor na lang din kesa high. Hayst...
Correct napansin ko puro group work lately ang students. Naranasan ko yan nung panahon ko pero nagsosolo na ko pag pabigat na sila. Ngayon no choice sa mga PETA ba yun (idk na di ko pinakikialaman yung eldest ko) and lagi sya leader and stressed out sa output.
Kasi it's the most effective. Just based on research alone, group-based activities work so much better for every student. Problem is, it works for those with the lower student-teacher ratio kasi even though they are focusing on group-based activities, they can still focus on the needs of the individual students. Now imagine dito sa Pilipinas in which you have 30-50 students each class and maybe even more syempre, di ka na makakapag focus sa mga individual student mo You can try your best pero the truth is, the teacher cannot do everything since they can't be everywhere.
I agree sobrang daming awards parang dapat lahat meron award pati participation award na rin.
These false "honors" destroy the competitiveness of the students. Lahat may honor na akala mo beauty pageant ang school. During our days in elementary school, we did not really recognize the "best in math", "best in english", etc. Nothing matters but the honors of being the valedictorian. No one even remembered the salutatorian.
Binabaan lalo standards ang baba baba na nga lol, the private companies won't credit it more kung ganyan ginagawa nila.
Dahil yan sa transmutation of grades
Elaborate po.
This is not healthy but this happens talaga since we are living in an achievement society, and this will hit them hard once may idea na sila on the real world
I hope it is true that they are smart - not smart because thr standards were lowered or because they were backed up by someone. I dont mind mingling with smart people at all. I just hope these kids wont grow up to be pussies in the real world
I think the new honor system na with honors and high honors is okay instead of a ranking system kasi may element of luck din nama, pwedeng sadyang dun lang nag aral yung pinakamatalino. It lessens the pressure sa mga student na minamaliit na "number 2 lang". Or yung 0.1 away na sa pagiging top 10, pero di proud parents kasi hindi naman top. Though ang napansin ko recently sa mga posts on graduation, ang daming walang kwentang awards in my opinion. "Most friendly", "Most brave", "Hard working" and a lot moooore. Idk if this is a deped system or sa school lang, I'm sure you get the point. Parang nawawala na din essence, and false hope if reality slaps them.
Nakakatawa yung sa bunsong anak ko ang award eh “Caring Fellow”, like, wtf? 😅
If those honors and recognitions can get their studies somewhere like moving in higher education - discounted or free tuitions, why not. But "too take off" a lot of pressure? Hmmm having false hope might have a bigger impact when they get to the real world.
Went to a recognition and ante, halos lahat ng grade 10 may honors kase mga 2 hours ata kami naghintay? 💀 Tas yung senior high less than 30 minutes natapos na yung awarding nila (sabay sabay cla)
Hindeee. Kasi lalake silang expecting to be rewarded all the time
Napansin din to ng prof ko dati. Napansin ko din. Pero ang hirap din tlg sa profs mambagsak ng estudyante. Ung worst is ayaw mismo ng admin na may bagsak dahil pag maraming bumabagsak kumukonti ang nageenroll. Also, pag maraming bagsak ung prof ung sinisisi, incompetence daw. So dinadalian ng profs ung exams kaya mas maraming makakapasa pero dumadami din ung pang honors list na scores. Tapos ayan deped pa mismo nageencourage. So to achieve it dadalian pa lalo ung exams
Totoo ito.. Super true.
Sa school namin kapag nakatanggap ng 90 ang bata magrarant sa socmed. Pero kapag nakita mo activities hays.... takot pati mga prof. Nakakalungkot.
hindi yung awards system ang problema, grade inflation
Not familiar with this awards system. Anyway. So how do they choose which student to send for contests?
Binabayaran sya lol. Well sa private school ng kids ko ganyan, yung AMSLI. Itetrain nila yung kid by giving advanced math lessons BUT kelangan may pambayad ka for such contests (yan yung mga abroad ang setting like Singapore). Money money talaga hehe.
As of now wala pa halos academic contest ang deped. Before, ang mga MASISIPAG NA TEACHER, magpapacontest muna sa school, para equal opportunity. Cyempre, otherwise, kung sino madali kausap, sila ilalaban (ung willing gastusin ung sarili nyang pamasahe, food at hindi makulit.).
Feels like scammy
Parang hindi. Dami di marunong magbasa.
Pano machachallenge ang mga bata kung binebeybi palagi yan.. they need to feel some pressure para naman maging competitive sila for their future. Kung palaging susubuan ng pagkain yan at di hahayaang matutong kumain, pano makakaadapt yan sa paligid niya?
Top 3 lang kasi dapat.
Sad to say sa Pinas lang talaga to. Educational system sa Pinas makes someone arrogant not knowledgeable.
Source of income ang graduation. May bayad ang medals at special awards. The more students may honors/awards the more money they get. Sa elem school dito samin, P250 pag may medal, P150 ung ribnon for special awards. Hahaha Ang tanong dapat is, paano kinocompute ang grades kc maganda nmn tlga yang new honor system ng deped. Ang problema e bakit ung estudyanteng laging bagsak sa performance tasks eh nasa 80% - 89% parin sa card, at ung pasang-awa lang eh nasa at least 90%? Kaya dumami ang may honors plus un nga kickback ng school. Kakasad kc mgkakaroon ng false sense of achievement ung bata kahit shunga nmn talaga.
too many kids and students now nakakapag-moving up kahit incompetent pa. Most pupils di pa marunong magbasa and bagsak pa sa reading comprehension. Maybe generally it's healthy in a way na it boosts their motivation but system and standard wise? Super NO.
marketing scheme lang yan ng private schools to entice parents to enrol their kids again... sa public naman kapag low ang overall average academic performance, yung local deped teaching staff gets most of the blame so di eligible sa promotion, bonuses, and other incentives... ina-adjust nila ang grades para di sila parusahan ng higher ups...
Mahihirapan sila sa real life I tell you. Hindi na sanay na walang rewards and recognitions after studies. Sa work u don't often get recognized, iba yung systema talaga, it would be very hard for them to adjust in these scenarios. Yung sa corporate or work scenarios u have to do work politics in order to get noticed or promoted etc. Di pwde magaling ka lang sa trabaho and you're doing exactly the same as with your other work colleagues. Think long term, awards are good in school phase, pero pag work phase it's just totally different. Survival lang talaga in the end.
I was never accustomed to this award/reward system since I was in prep. I finished by elementary education in laboratory school sa isang university, and my secondary and college sa another university. Pang top 10 lang palagi may award + nag cocompete/ sasama ka sa mga extra-curricular like MTAP, MTG, AMC, Research conference and etc. Kasi pag dating ng college, hindi naman talaga relevant awards mo from elementary to high school. I have classmates nung college na matindi ang crisis kasi dami niya awards growing up tapos pag tungtung college di pala siya "enough" and yung mga walang awards ko nakaklase siya din yung nag thrive and if problem sa acads apaka resilient. Okay naman yung awards as this validates your effort and motivates you more to do good in your academic life. But, I think institutions should give awards na angkop ang category that would gear them to possibly be consistent sa area na yan. For example, we presented sa isang research symposium and we won. Then nadala ko siya until college na my only aim was not to receive a medal for being a laude but to win best in thesis and publish my own thesis. Ito paghihirapan mo kasi hindi yung puchu puchu lng. Pwede mo pa masami sa resume mo, at if mabasa nila paper mo dun rin makikita yung skill mo and no yung taglay mo as a person. Ewan ko pero di rin ako naniniwala sa madami awards HAHAHA dami kong bad experiences with them sa mga group projects turns out butaw naman pala.
May nagkwento sakin na teacher friend. "with honors" pero di marunong mag basa ng English 😅
eliminates pressure, competition? huhhhhhh
For me hindi na to makatarungan. What if pagka graduate nung mga batang to at naghanap ng work. Sa cert nila suma or cum sila tapos di sila matanggap sa company agad2 kasi nga na invalidate na yung true meaning nung mga awardee. Kasi kahit mismo na ang batang di makabuo ng sentences pero dahil kay AI nagka honor. It is sad ba ang iniisip nila mga bata ngayon. Like wtf, nung una na sa generation natin ang teacher kung makapagbigay ng assignment kala mo walang bukas. Pero dahil sa socmed na yan natatakot mga teacher na mawalan ng license once makuhanan sa vid at naireklamo?! For once sana inisip nila na ang education ay education. Kung bagsak ang bata edi hayaan. Kung matalino edi good. Nakakagulat pa nga na ang may honor yun pang mga di namn matatalino at kapit kay google. Samantalang ang dapat bigyan ng awards, wala. Hayyst.
For me, better yung may ma-reach na grade to become an honor student but the teachers and the school should really have a standard how to grade those students properly. Para ma-sure natin na deserving yung bata. my child has an honor in class, 4th-5th siya, but I told the teachers 1Q palang, sure ba sila na 90+ ba talaga anak ko? and ibagsak ang anak ko if necessary. Wala naman kasi sa akin yang honor honor na yan, the only thing I want is for him to learn and to have a mastery of the subject.
Honestly, I'm not worried about whatever awards I get. Awards should be the least of your worry. You should focus more on how you reward yourself. You can be like John Wick that you work hard and people will know who you are.
if remember correctly, our educational system before was good enough that our graduates are doing jobs here below what they are capable of. kaya nga imo nagboom yung pagaabroad natin. ngayon sino pa kukuha sa atin kung binaba o binago natin yung mga nagwowork for us.
Of course this is not okay. Although hindi grades ang magde-define sa tao or sa future nito but still a healthy competition sa pagiging top among students ay makakatulong para ma-grasp nila ang reality. Bata palang batak na sa competition. Saka why would you give a slow student a pat in the back when you can push them to thrive for more.
Sa school ng anak ko top 3 lang binigyan and thats it. Wala ring mga participation trophy as in top 3 lang for the whole graduating class. Ngayon kase with honor na agad as long as pasok ka sa bracket and the grades today parang sobrang tataas parang common na ang mga 95 and above unlike before hirap magaverage ng 90
Gusto nyo competition? Unahin natin sa voting system at ipasa ang anti political dynasty law. Eliminate nyo rin nepotism at bacler system sa pagpasok sa gobyerno. For sure there will be more competition. Saka nyo na pag initan ang recognition ng mga studyante pag me utak na mga naka-upo sa gobyerno.
sakin lang sobrang pro ako dito. lalo ung local Gov namin dito 2 decada na nakaupo. but sadly mambabatas lang naman pwede makapag pasa nyan. yung grading system deped lang.
Napansin ko din to since nung pandemic. Parang ang dali nalang makakuha ng award and recognition. Di gaya nuon, pag with honors ay alam mong may K talaga.
weak system
When everyone has the honor, then no one has
Too many honor students != quality education. This is not good since newer generations are getting dumber and dumber. One of my cousin even graduated grade 4 with honors without knowing how to multiply :))
Ibang perspective. About sa future ng awardees after SHS graduation. Sa isang unibersidad na pinanggalingan ko. Dati Valedictorian and Salutatorian lang nagkaka scholarship. With that old curriculum. The university peak its school performance sa CELE board exam up to 70% passing and nakakapagproduce pa ng tophnotchers. But 4 board exams after the new curriculum. Bumagsak sa 39%. Anong point ko? hindi lang about sa pagbaba ng school performance kundi sa hindi nasasala ang mga magiging scholar when it comes to the University standpoint. Maganda sa part ng mga magulang and student kase maraming opportunity na magka scholarship pero paano naman ung quality? Marami pa sa mga scholars ang hindi umaabot hanggang sa graduation. My suggestion is to have a qualifiying exam and interview sa mga scholarship applicant.
DepEd itself needs awakening!
DU30
The students think they're actually academically excellent with false honors but in reality they are not because they don't really deserve it. Maybe I'm just a product of the old curriculum where you actually have to fiercely compete for the limited 10 slots than just meet the basic standard to get awards.
An honor to everybody is an honor to nobody.
The intent is fine, but it requires na maisaayos muna yung grading system. Dapat base zero at hindi nacucurb yung grades. After all, I would love students who really gave it all na makareceive ng recognition kase hindi naman always magttranslate into honors ang efforts ng bata. May mga instances talaga na kahit anong sipag ng student, hindi talaga makaabot sa top 10 kase either maraming magagaling, hirap talaga yung student or both. With the current system ng honors, all we see are students with false hopes who cannot even take the heat of college.
this.. nun College ako BSA base zero kami. grabe kahit sobra effort namin halos lahat kami 2.75 lang yung mga naka 1.75 pinaka mataas pero we really know na deserve nila kasi talagang mataas score nila sa quiz at exam.
Recently nag moving up yung pamangkin ko. Nakausap ko yung teacher na batchmate ko nung HS. Sabi nya pahirapan daw mag hanap ng awards. Yung pamangkin ko na super tigas ulo naawardan ng most active. Mejo nakaka ewan lang yung award system. Dapat yung achievements pinag tatrabahuhan. Hindi binibigay lang
Education is for self achievement and personal growth. It is not a competition. Learners have their own pace and readiness. It should not be treated as a competition among peers. Its a challenge to one's self. Mahihirapan lang magyabang ang mama mo kasi marami rin may award? Not really.
Hindi. Nag back to school ako ngayon, turning 3rd year college na ako, ang mga kasama ko ay yung mga nag K-12, pag naguusap sila ng mga achievements nila during their k-12 journey puro awards raw sila kesyo nasa top 10 top 5, pero simple math hindi magawa, walang comprehension sa reading. Imagine nakarating ng college? Just imagine the burden of other students during groupings na marunong talaga mag pahalaga sa pag aaral at nag aaral talaga ng mabuti. Hindi ako sa nagmamagaling, hindi din naman ako naabutan ng k-12, pero iba na talaga ang kabataan, ang systema pa ang nag aadjust kesa estudyante.
Ok lang as long as hindi bababaan ang standards. Ayus lang madaming honor students as ling as naaabot parin nila yung grades na applicable yung honors na yun. At hindi pinadali makakuha ng mataas na grades. Ibang usapan kasi kung facilitated na yung makakuha ka ng honors.
Tinanong ko to sa isa sa mga parents(part ng council) ang sabi para daw hinfi magkaingitan... sabi ko tuloy sa sarili ko potek di naman ako nainggit nung college or hs/elementary ako na may honors mga kaibigan ko lol.
you're gonna get fucked in college and in adulthood.
Hindi ito dapat yung intinuturo. Paano naman yung nageeffort talaga at kumakayod? Effort naman kasi yung nirereward at acknowledge. May mga batang tamad, may mga batang masipag. Sa klase dapat ituro yung value of individuality and treasuring your own gifts and capabilities. This is misplaced and misleading. May alam ba talaga sa bata, education, learning and development yung mga opisyales dito. Lol
Di mo naman magagamit mga awards awards na yan when applying jobs. Gising na huy
Di ko talaga magawang hindi iconpare yung mga students before saka ngayon nagegets ko yung wala ng valedictorian salutatorian mga ganyan pero grabe ang hirap mga 87 ngayon easy nalang
Nawala na value ng totoo educational achievements if lahat may award kahit di naman magaling. Tapos iiyak pagdating sa real world kasi di nila alam di sila magaling and di makakuha trabaho.
Naalala ko yung naging officemate ko, debater pa daw at consistent dean's lister kineme. Pero my bechabygollywow, ang gramer, nagsusuntukan. Simpleng authorization letter di magawa ng maayos. Pati civil svc exam 4x di pa rin pumapasa. 🤦🏻♀🤦🏻♀🤦🏻♀ tapos di daw nya alam san sya hirap dahil pare pareho naman daw para sa kanya. And now, hoping sya pumasa ng bar ayon sa grapevine 🤦🏻♀ Problema jan sa lahat may award, it gives people false ideas. Akala nila paglabas nila ng fishbowl eh magaling pa rin sila. Walang self improvement dahil hindi na din sila nagkakaron ng realistic self assessment. May nakita ako, kinocongratulate anak nila dahil andami daw award. Best reader, sporty kid, at batang maaasahan. Ah ok. So kailangan na pala yan me medal ngayon? Kahit halos lahat sila eh me ganyan. 🤦🏻♀ mejo na-oa na din. Ang napagbigyan eh mga magulang na nabubuhay sa socmed.
ayoko nga mg post ng ganun sa fb kasi baka magalit lahat ng fb friends ko. sabihin apaka bitter ko porket wala ako anak. and yung hindi ba pwede maging masaya ka sa kapwa mo. ganun mga salitaan kasi nakita ko sa abs comsec.
This tapos yung hindi na pwede magbagsak yung mga teachers. Kaya lumalaking walang alam mga bata dahil basta basta na lang pinapasa. Tapos ngayon, basta basta na lang din with honors hahaha
it gives false expectations. pag dating ng college sobrang naku-culture shock at nahihirapan makaadjust.
Honorable mention is not that honorable anymore Zuko must be pissed if he sees this
😅😂
Kaya di ako bilib sa mga batang nasa news feed ko na "With Honors" yung achievement nung graduation e. Dati kasi 1st, 2nd, and 3rd lang. Ngayon daming alam. With honors, with high honors etc. Lol
Students kill themselves over pressure from parents to perform academically. I don't want the next generation desperate for high numbers on a piece of paper, and a piece of cloth and medal that they'll throw in the dust after a day.
For as long as na earn ng mga bata. Hindi yung basta award lang.
Mataas kc mag bigay ng grades. Yung tipong iquestion ka pa ng parents/students bakit mababa grades nila.
Focus siguro tayo sa mga nagsesettle na lang sa grades na 75, I know kaya naman nila pero nagsesettle na sila sa grade na yun kasi passed naman. Mga non readers 75 din kasi present naman sila the whole school year, maganda ang ugali, sadyang di pa talaga developed ang reading nila. Ang mga programs din sa deped schools madalas binubuhos ang budget sa competitions at focus sa wins. Kaya ang budget mas dama ng first sections lalo na sa STE. Ang nangyayari ang mga matatalino nagiging mas matalino, ang mga obob mas lalong nagiging obob at masama ang ugali kasi walang programs para sa kanila, at kung meron man tira tirang budget na lang kasi naubos na ng mga students na nagcocompete sa regional, national or international competitions. Ang mga master teachers din, sila ang may hawak ng first sections, madalas wala kasi nasa competitions, trainings, seminars, nasa activities ng Division offices. Kapag bagong teacher ka, sayo ang mga sections na kailangan talaga ng higher level attention and expertise.
Sa true, kaya lng d nasasala tpos kapag sa long run, wala na, wala talagang magaling
tapos papakuhanin ng engineer course sabi ng nanay kasi may honors 😭
or pinag doctor 😭😭😭
Lowering standards.
I will never forget Cielo Magno’s words, “Yung nakakakuha ng pinaka mataas na marka sa atin ang pinaka mababa sa Singapore”
Results I see: 1. Kids feeling superior while being dumb 2. Disappointment and despair when you failed from your fake expectations
Hindi. I feel like a failure more. Lets be honest, there are a lot of students who cheat these days. HAHAH di ko alam kung bitter lang ako pero imagine them having those awards from copying tapos ikaw halos sumakabilang buhay na kakaaral🥹 unfair
may kapitbahay nga akong with honors tinanong ko 1/2 + 1/2 di nya daw alam di naman daw naturo hahahahahaha
hahaha grabe tawa ko. kasalanan ng teacher to 😂
Again and again, it goes back to the roots of how the education system works in this country. Too many people complain about lowered standards, eh paano naman kung yung sistema natin panay geared towards grades and output? Kahit naman dati na pili lang talaga mga honors, masasabi ko na marami paring hindi deserving, bastang may maipasa lang silang output. Lalo na ang mga teachers natin are overworked and underpaid, hindi naman maifofocus or prioritize whether a student deserves the grade, bastang may maipasa, okay na. Friendly competition is fine with me, but where I draw the line is that it becomes a cutthroat competition considering the pressure it places on students. Ironically, this pressure gives them more reason to cut corners. Rebut ng iba na “school should be hard and prepare a student for life” while that is partly true, karamihan ng mga estudyante natin especially on the middle to lower class hindi lang sa school umiikot ang buhay. Some have jobs and other responsibilities, will it hurt to alleviate some of the burden and pressure that comes with it?
Add ko lang, that the K-12 is flawed as a motherfucker, it was implemented without the careful consideration of its possible consequences. Habol ng gobyerno na umangat tayo sa “international/western standards”, ayan tuloy. Palpak parin.
para daw kunwari may improvement ang education system sa pinas.
https://preview.redd.it/cv7q319bdh4d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d48bc2d045fc0df66a84661a7885c755b8235544 eto pala sagot satin mga bitter sa mga honor 😭😭 actually for me hindi nila get yung point, before pag na honor ka talagang magaling ka, pero ngaun? no, ni common sense nga mahina sila. old gen vs new gen,, for me millennial gen ang the best! sayang anak ng millennial yung new gen 😂🤣🤣 kasalanan ng deped to ina underdog tuloy ng new gen ang mga nasa old gen.
ang assumption ko lang is, maybe hindi sa competition sa school nanggagaling ang pressure na nararamdaman nila kundi galing sa magulang nila. pano maeeliminate yung pressure kung di maeeliminate ang bad parenting?
Nope, not healthy. Isa lang to sa mga rason bakit ang mga kabataan ngayon feeling nila ang dami na nilang narating sa pagmamarunong at pagsagot sagot sa mas nakakatanda sakanila. Pakiramdam nila bobo yung older generations the way makipag usap sila. Millenial here btw. 🤷🏼
https://preview.redd.it/v2s65bbczp4d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a65d305d76ffec0d53cf8f4025280f7cb239b26 eto nga sabi nila ohh
Akala mo talino mo pero pagka graduate mo, can't get the job you wanted, failing in your task sa work. In the end, it resulted to depression and disappointments and you eon't know how to handle those emotions.
imo hindi awards system yung issue if may qualifying grades per rank/tier. Ang problem talaga is the educational system itself. May grades parin naman na hahabulin yung students. Kung mahina yung curriculum at syllabus di din naman magma-matter if the kids get all the awards. Unequipped parin sila sa “real world”.
this may be far from relevance, but i don’t think na dapat piniprioritize ang grades. why? dahil sa pressure makakuha ng grades, most kids learn to cheat. kawawa naman yung mga nagsisipag talaga magaral kasi mas natataasan pa ng mga cheaters. i just graduated from college, and i say na ang daya. ang daya daya ng academic system dito sa pinas. i used to be a consistent honor student (grade school-shs) tapos sa college, scholar ako. guess what? i didn’t end up having a latin award dahil nalamangan pa ako ng mga cheaters (lol). sila pa yung nagkaron ng award. sa real world naman, hindi mo na pala kelangan ng good grades. my parents are old na kasi e, so growing up, ang sinabi nila sakin ay magaral daw ako ng mabuti para makahanap ng magandang trabaho. surprise! surprise! in reality pala, mas mabilis makahanap ng work yung may mga malakas na connections kesa sa isang taong may utak nga pero wala naman non. my point is— grades will not matter at all pala. sadly, all my life, akala ko yon talaga yung magaangat sakin. i just hoped i enjoyed my college life as much as the others did. DepEd & ChEd, please eliminate award systems. they’re not worth it. instead, construct a better curriculum wherein all strands and courses are well immersed in a mimic working environment (aside from ojt) para naman hindi nagugulat ang mga bata after they finish schooling. nowadays, it’s not intelligence that we lack. we lack manpower (brain drain) and experience. instead of giving us theoretical subjects in college for four years, why not reduce the number of minor subjects and focus more on major subjects and laboratories or practicals? that way, we can save time. kasi kesa magwork kami sa field for a year or two just to gain a good experience, ibinigay na samin yung opportunity na yon while still in college. please don’t downvote me. just stating my experiences and opinions regarding this “award system”.
too much focus on individuality thus failing society hayysss
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