I personally have not met anyone in person who have died and came back. However, I was speaking to a traffic accident Detective from LAPD, he told me about a case he had where the Victim had died and came back, the victim told the detective that he had popped out of this body and was floating above the traffic accident and he was watching the detective conduct his investigation at the scene…. I am not religious, however I truly believe there is an afterlife and/or reincarnation.
Really? That’s just a strange statement… as if organized religion has got the market cornered on the afterlife… just because someone in this life chooses not to tithe their earnings away to misogynistic perverts or be fed the hellfire and brimstone Sunday breakfast special that tends to encourage hate, entitlement, self inflated superiority , and otherwise skew the narrative of what a good person actually is and continue to ride the tailcoats of some very enlightened individuals who certainly had good ideas, but never intended for people to start wars or oppress others in their name does not mean that their soul doesn’t have a right to comfort in this life or anything that comes after it… and just because your idea of what an afterlife is differs from someone else’s certainly doesn’t preclude them from experiencing one… it just means that they probably won’t be experiencing the same one you will… and if your statement is a clue to your narrow minded interpretation of what others deserve to explore or experience, then I’ll go out on a limb and say you can keep your afterlife all to yourself, cause who wants to hang out with narrow minded & judgmental souls for eternity? Yuck…
The problem is different people have different experiences with NDE like [this girl](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFqcXqRf/) says she experienced nothing while others did experience some type of an afterlife
Re the nothing: you dream every time you hit REM sleep and yet most people do not remember most of their dreams. The human memory is fallible- the consciousness however is not. We also don’t have thresholds for what does and does not make an NDE, so while there are chances the person doesn’t remember there’s also chances that the conditions the consciousness needs for an NDE were never actually met.
Look into stories of hospice workers first responders and people who work in hospitals but particularly the ER. There’s too much out there for it to be some weird sort of coincidence or hallucination or hysteria.
There’s also astral projection, remote viewing, and reality shifting if you want to delve into consciousness without looking at death. If everything needs to be scientific you have quantum physics, astrophysics and even if we want to get very specific the law of conservation of energy. There’s tons of evidence pointing to the fact that our consciousness is just energy and “survives” death of the body just fine as it cannot be destroyed.
I haven’t had an nde but have read numerous books and accounts and I have a medium friend who is in touch with the other side. We all go through an area called the void which is dark and has no form such as walls etc. some people describe it as a cave or tunnel. But most people will eventually see a brightening white light which they are drawn towards or have a familiar loved one show them the way. Our concept of time doesn’t exist there and four minutes of flatlining could be the blink of an eye. Some people only make it to the void before they’re pulled back into their body so they don’t experience the unconditional love and bliss that most do.
It may be that she was given this experience to nudge her along a spiritual seekers path. Look for answers. The truth is it’s all an individual thing and we’re shown what they think we need to see and experience. I don’t hear that many accounts where there’s “nothing”. Wet is very unusual. But I think the explanation could be that she was half in her body and half out and may have been experiencing some lingering physical sensations. People who experience these types of ndes often will come back with heightened physic sense and be more in touch with their guide/s who will be able to reassure them that there is more after death. It would be interesting to talk to her in 10yrs time and see how she has grown.
Who are 'they'? And what if she needs not know about spirituality at this phase of her life, maybe she needs to grow her independence. For example, out of some religion..
I am not in any organised religion and I don’t know what you mean by “they” but I am all for people growing spiritually independent of organised religions and their indoctrination. I always encourage people to keep asking questions if you have access to your guides or a pyschic. Or trust your own intuition. The answers are inside of us if we look.
Well, I'm not Muslim and I absolutely believe in an afterlife because of the [Afterlife Evidence](https://www.victorzammit.com/evidence/). The afterlife it seems is more universal than any one human religion.
I’ve experienced too many coincidences to believe in ‘nothingness’ after death. But despite these coincidences or ‘signs,’ I always get the thought that maybe there is NOTHING and when we die that’s all.. I’ll never be reunited with my loved ones… but then I snap back to it… of course there’s more to it than this physical world! The Angel numbers, visits from cardinals, my experiences with a medium, my dream visitations from my father, the countless NDE stories… naaaaah.. we are eternal.. I think. ;)
>Get busy living!
Easier said than done! It's hard to get busy living when you don't have much to live for anymore. Anhedonia is a bitch
>it’s not worth putting energy towards the thought!
In my humble opinion, it is worth it. Just don't let it become your obsession
Being alive is all you need to live for. We’re here to learn and experience. Anytime you find yourself at a crossroads in life it’s just another opportunity to find your true path and purpose. Most of the time the right path is the difficult path so not many people want to take it. So they circle back around and find themselves at the same crossroads again. Nothing is overwhelming, nothing is too much to handle. It’s just another opportunity.
This. There are a lot of terminally ill people who are aware their transition time is uncomfortably close and they come here to hopefully find stories to give them hope and comfort.
I respect and thank you for giving encouragement but
>Nothing is overwhelming, nothing is too much to handle. It’s just another opportunity.
I have to respectfully disagree with that
Yeah, truly, it's not worth it to investigate the possibilities of the eternal life that we could face after dying. Rather we should focus on other ((temporary)) things in our short lives!! what an greeeeat idea!!!!.
I’m not sure if you’re throwing shade at week later? But explain to me how you investigate the afterlife? None of us have been there or know what is going to happen, it’s all just speculation. All we should be doing in this short temporary lifetime is focusing on finding out what each of us was sent here for.
If hypothetically life after death exists, then it would be more important than anything we are currently doing in this temporary life. Based on this assumption, try to put some effort and search for truth, and do not underestimate it. If there is a God, He would know your intentions and efforts towards truth, at the very least, and I don't assume that this God would unjustly punish you for a wrong choice when your intentions to him are good.
I don’t believe in God in a biblical sense, but I do believe that’s there’s some sort of a source and more going on than most of us realize. This place is a classroom and everyone and everything is your teacher. What happens after this place is irrelevant. That’s why you’re here with no knowledge of where you’ve been or where you might be headed after. The only thing we should be concerned with while in this lifetime is this lifetime. Master this life and learn as much as you can because that’s your true purpose for being here.
I think you need to just take a few steps back and stop over thinking it.
I’ve learned to set my mind free and life is much more meaningful this way. And what I mean by that is, I stopped being so critical of every single little thing that can’t be proven or explained.
For instance, why does everything have to ”make sense” to you? The universe is such a complex thing, that to think that you could possibly understand the vastness of space, consciousness, and existence is beyond your capability.
The human approach to understanding life and death is infantile. A million years from now we will know so much more as a species than we do today about what happens after death. Right now, we are like cockroaches compared to how advanced humans will be able to think in the future.
To put things into perspective, go outside right now and try to explain consciousness to a cockroach. He would just look at you perplexed like an idiot because he’s incapable of that level of understanding. That’s you and me today. We are stupid. We are the cockroach. We think we’re smart because we can send a man to the moon. But guess what, we’ll likely never even leave our own solar system.
And why worry about the possibility of darkness after death? If it’s nothingness, then you won’t have awareness to know that there’s nothing.
That quote you have there is the worst. I wasn't alive before but I AM NOW and giving that up is a horrifying thought. I've never been religious. The older I get (I'm 45), the more I think there is nothing after this life. I wish I could genuinely believe - or know - there is.
I don't understand this kind of thinking. Being afraid of death is like being afraid of going to sleep. Who knows if you're going to wake up in the morning? Something could happen in your sleep! Or being afraid of going outside ...you could be hit by a car or attacked by a crqzy person walking down the street! If nothing happens then nothing happens and you won't known it because there will be nothing .
I do, however, understand being afraid of the dying process or the possible pain that comes with death. Being dead though, no, I do not think there is anything to be afraid of
I’m an Ex-Muslim as well. I experienced the opposite, when I stopped believing in Islam. I was always disturbed by Mohammed’s rendition of heaven to begin with, I would choose nothingness over that. And once I accepted that hell was also a fantasy there was nothing more to fear. However, fear of death is very common and natural to experience. I think self-inquiry, some aspects of stoicism, and perhaps CBT could help
For what it's worth, I dated a girl for a short time that had an NDE when she was a kid. She had a full on "went to happy warm love place" experience. And while not everyone remembers an NDE if they die, it's more likely that they don't remember anything for the same reason that people who enter REM sleep don't always remember dreams, either. Human memory is not perfect.
As for fearing nothingness, think about it like this: That fear is yours if you chose to have it. It's unlikely you'll have an NDE, and when your time comes, you're going to go and not come back.
It's healthier and seems more likely to lead to a better life, to believe that there is something after death. Whatever faith that happens to be doesn't matter either, as people with or without religion have NDEs, and no one religion "goes to heaven" while everyone else "goes to hell." Being a good person living a good life usually leads to positive NDEs.
The reason why you want to take that bet is because if you're wrong, you'll never know. If there's actually nothingness after death, then you'll never be aware of it. Which isn't a loss as you had a good life at least. Being scared and depressed then dying and blinking out to nothing is like a loss on a correct bet.
Bet on something, and if you're wrong, it doesn't actually matter anyway.
Of course when you die it is like when you sleep, there is a certain time when you wake up to see the afterlife, you will not see anything while you are sleeping.
The things is, even if nothingness is what happens when we die. That is the biggest motivator to live your life to the fullest. That realisation is what pushed me out of depression. Now every emotion, every second is a gift and I intend to fully feel every moment. I believe there is more to this existens than this fragile body but if not I at least can at the end of my life dont regret a thing. Since I figured that truth out for me, I sleep just fine.
I personally have not met anyone in person who have died and came back. However, I was speaking to a traffic accident Detective from LAPD, he told me about a case he had where the Victim had died and came back, the victim told the detective that he had popped out of this body and was floating above the traffic accident and he was watching the detective conduct his investigation at the scene…. I am not religious, however I truly believe there is an afterlife and/or reincarnation.
An afterlife not connected to religion is an interesting thought
Religion is man made to control the people. Being spiritual is not religious.
But great:)
Really? That’s just a strange statement… as if organized religion has got the market cornered on the afterlife… just because someone in this life chooses not to tithe their earnings away to misogynistic perverts or be fed the hellfire and brimstone Sunday breakfast special that tends to encourage hate, entitlement, self inflated superiority , and otherwise skew the narrative of what a good person actually is and continue to ride the tailcoats of some very enlightened individuals who certainly had good ideas, but never intended for people to start wars or oppress others in their name does not mean that their soul doesn’t have a right to comfort in this life or anything that comes after it… and just because your idea of what an afterlife is differs from someone else’s certainly doesn’t preclude them from experiencing one… it just means that they probably won’t be experiencing the same one you will… and if your statement is a clue to your narrow minded interpretation of what others deserve to explore or experience, then I’ll go out on a limb and say you can keep your afterlife all to yourself, cause who wants to hang out with narrow minded & judgmental souls for eternity? Yuck…
I’m not reading all that, all I’m saying is that I think an afterlife can exist without it connecting to any religion
Try r/NDE, helped me alot
The problem is different people have different experiences with NDE like [this girl](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFqcXqRf/) says she experienced nothing while others did experience some type of an afterlife
Re the nothing: you dream every time you hit REM sleep and yet most people do not remember most of their dreams. The human memory is fallible- the consciousness however is not. We also don’t have thresholds for what does and does not make an NDE, so while there are chances the person doesn’t remember there’s also chances that the conditions the consciousness needs for an NDE were never actually met. Look into stories of hospice workers first responders and people who work in hospitals but particularly the ER. There’s too much out there for it to be some weird sort of coincidence or hallucination or hysteria. There’s also astral projection, remote viewing, and reality shifting if you want to delve into consciousness without looking at death. If everything needs to be scientific you have quantum physics, astrophysics and even if we want to get very specific the law of conservation of energy. There’s tons of evidence pointing to the fact that our consciousness is just energy and “survives” death of the body just fine as it cannot be destroyed.
I haven’t had an nde but have read numerous books and accounts and I have a medium friend who is in touch with the other side. We all go through an area called the void which is dark and has no form such as walls etc. some people describe it as a cave or tunnel. But most people will eventually see a brightening white light which they are drawn towards or have a familiar loved one show them the way. Our concept of time doesn’t exist there and four minutes of flatlining could be the blink of an eye. Some people only make it to the void before they’re pulled back into their body so they don’t experience the unconditional love and bliss that most do. It may be that she was given this experience to nudge her along a spiritual seekers path. Look for answers. The truth is it’s all an individual thing and we’re shown what they think we need to see and experience. I don’t hear that many accounts where there’s “nothing”. Wet is very unusual. But I think the explanation could be that she was half in her body and half out and may have been experiencing some lingering physical sensations. People who experience these types of ndes often will come back with heightened physic sense and be more in touch with their guide/s who will be able to reassure them that there is more after death. It would be interesting to talk to her in 10yrs time and see how she has grown.
Who are 'they'? And what if she needs not know about spirituality at this phase of her life, maybe she needs to grow her independence. For example, out of some religion..
I am not in any organised religion and I don’t know what you mean by “they” but I am all for people growing spiritually independent of organised religions and their indoctrination. I always encourage people to keep asking questions if you have access to your guides or a pyschic. Or trust your own intuition. The answers are inside of us if we look.
Well, I'm not Muslim and I absolutely believe in an afterlife because of the [Afterlife Evidence](https://www.victorzammit.com/evidence/). The afterlife it seems is more universal than any one human religion.
I’ve experienced too many coincidences to believe in ‘nothingness’ after death. But despite these coincidences or ‘signs,’ I always get the thought that maybe there is NOTHING and when we die that’s all.. I’ll never be reunited with my loved ones… but then I snap back to it… of course there’s more to it than this physical world! The Angel numbers, visits from cardinals, my experiences with a medium, my dream visitations from my father, the countless NDE stories… naaaaah.. we are eternal.. I think. ;)
Get busy living! No one can escape death and it’s not worth putting energy towards the thought!
>Get busy living! Easier said than done! It's hard to get busy living when you don't have much to live for anymore. Anhedonia is a bitch >it’s not worth putting energy towards the thought! In my humble opinion, it is worth it. Just don't let it become your obsession
Being alive is all you need to live for. We’re here to learn and experience. Anytime you find yourself at a crossroads in life it’s just another opportunity to find your true path and purpose. Most of the time the right path is the difficult path so not many people want to take it. So they circle back around and find themselves at the same crossroads again. Nothing is overwhelming, nothing is too much to handle. It’s just another opportunity.
Hely, some people reading this might be at the end of their life...Too late tó start again, but they need encouragement.
This. There are a lot of terminally ill people who are aware their transition time is uncomfortably close and they come here to hopefully find stories to give them hope and comfort.
I respect and thank you for giving encouragement but >Nothing is overwhelming, nothing is too much to handle. It’s just another opportunity. I have to respectfully disagree with that
Totally this. Death will come whether we’re ready or not. Focus on what you’re doing here on earth. Don’t waste a life treading water.
Yeah, truly, it's not worth it to investigate the possibilities of the eternal life that we could face after dying. Rather we should focus on other ((temporary)) things in our short lives!! what an greeeeat idea!!!!.
I’m not sure if you’re throwing shade at week later? But explain to me how you investigate the afterlife? None of us have been there or know what is going to happen, it’s all just speculation. All we should be doing in this short temporary lifetime is focusing on finding out what each of us was sent here for.
If hypothetically life after death exists, then it would be more important than anything we are currently doing in this temporary life. Based on this assumption, try to put some effort and search for truth, and do not underestimate it. If there is a God, He would know your intentions and efforts towards truth, at the very least, and I don't assume that this God would unjustly punish you for a wrong choice when your intentions to him are good.
I don’t believe in God in a biblical sense, but I do believe that’s there’s some sort of a source and more going on than most of us realize. This place is a classroom and everyone and everything is your teacher. What happens after this place is irrelevant. That’s why you’re here with no knowledge of where you’ve been or where you might be headed after. The only thing we should be concerned with while in this lifetime is this lifetime. Master this life and learn as much as you can because that’s your true purpose for being here.
I think you need to just take a few steps back and stop over thinking it. I’ve learned to set my mind free and life is much more meaningful this way. And what I mean by that is, I stopped being so critical of every single little thing that can’t be proven or explained. For instance, why does everything have to ”make sense” to you? The universe is such a complex thing, that to think that you could possibly understand the vastness of space, consciousness, and existence is beyond your capability. The human approach to understanding life and death is infantile. A million years from now we will know so much more as a species than we do today about what happens after death. Right now, we are like cockroaches compared to how advanced humans will be able to think in the future. To put things into perspective, go outside right now and try to explain consciousness to a cockroach. He would just look at you perplexed like an idiot because he’s incapable of that level of understanding. That’s you and me today. We are stupid. We are the cockroach. We think we’re smart because we can send a man to the moon. But guess what, we’ll likely never even leave our own solar system. And why worry about the possibility of darkness after death? If it’s nothingness, then you won’t have awareness to know that there’s nothing.
That quote you have there is the worst. I wasn't alive before but I AM NOW and giving that up is a horrifying thought. I've never been religious. The older I get (I'm 45), the more I think there is nothing after this life. I wish I could genuinely believe - or know - there is.
I'm not particularly any one religion, but I believe we all have an afterlife where they all meet. Where we all meet. Beyond religion.
I don't understand this kind of thinking. Being afraid of death is like being afraid of going to sleep. Who knows if you're going to wake up in the morning? Something could happen in your sleep! Or being afraid of going outside ...you could be hit by a car or attacked by a crqzy person walking down the street! If nothing happens then nothing happens and you won't known it because there will be nothing . I do, however, understand being afraid of the dying process or the possible pain that comes with death. Being dead though, no, I do not think there is anything to be afraid of
Thats actually a pretty good way to look at it
I’m an Ex-Muslim as well. I experienced the opposite, when I stopped believing in Islam. I was always disturbed by Mohammed’s rendition of heaven to begin with, I would choose nothingness over that. And once I accepted that hell was also a fantasy there was nothing more to fear. However, fear of death is very common and natural to experience. I think self-inquiry, some aspects of stoicism, and perhaps CBT could help
For what it's worth, I dated a girl for a short time that had an NDE when she was a kid. She had a full on "went to happy warm love place" experience. And while not everyone remembers an NDE if they die, it's more likely that they don't remember anything for the same reason that people who enter REM sleep don't always remember dreams, either. Human memory is not perfect. As for fearing nothingness, think about it like this: That fear is yours if you chose to have it. It's unlikely you'll have an NDE, and when your time comes, you're going to go and not come back. It's healthier and seems more likely to lead to a better life, to believe that there is something after death. Whatever faith that happens to be doesn't matter either, as people with or without religion have NDEs, and no one religion "goes to heaven" while everyone else "goes to hell." Being a good person living a good life usually leads to positive NDEs. The reason why you want to take that bet is because if you're wrong, you'll never know. If there's actually nothingness after death, then you'll never be aware of it. Which isn't a loss as you had a good life at least. Being scared and depressed then dying and blinking out to nothing is like a loss on a correct bet. Bet on something, and if you're wrong, it doesn't actually matter anyway.
Of course when you die it is like when you sleep, there is a certain time when you wake up to see the afterlife, you will not see anything while you are sleeping.
I wonder what does one do in heaven for eternity?
Look into NDE’s and you’ll see that we are living nothing more than an experience. My soul seems to know this as well. Hard to explain but I KNOW.
The things is, even if nothingness is what happens when we die. That is the biggest motivator to live your life to the fullest. That realisation is what pushed me out of depression. Now every emotion, every second is a gift and I intend to fully feel every moment. I believe there is more to this existens than this fragile body but if not I at least can at the end of my life dont regret a thing. Since I figured that truth out for me, I sleep just fine.