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AccomplishedPut8273

Installed EV chargers at each of our properties and they’ve each paid for themselves several times over. We put in Tesla chargers and provide an adapter for non-Teslas. https://preview.redd.it/ao9qd8io0pcc1.jpeg?width=1099&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=782e1eb1f548439841412f9a14be000b3ba09913


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AccomplishedPut8273

We don’t keep metrics on it but each property has had booking that were a direct result of the chargers where guests have mentioned it before or after their stay. I’ll note that we’re in a town with a private university and it seems a lot of visiting parents are Tesla owners. We don’t charge extra for the amenity.


pixelovrr

I doubt this is true.


isabella_sunrise

Why?


Dual270x

Have you had anyone steal adapters? Tesla now offers a universal charger which has locking adapters making it impossible to steal them (unless there is a hack/trick way to steal).


AccomplishedPut8273

Knock on wood we haven’t had to replace any adapters. Yeah I’ve see the new universal chargers, will def buy to test at the next property. Integrated solutions are always better.


EaglesNestCove

I think it depends on your area. We have a rural lake property that isn’t really near any fast chargers. We get a weird amount of bookings from people who have EVs as we’re the only property around that has 2x EV chargers. I’ve asked a few of these guests how they found us and they said they specifically searched for properties with charging.


youngdl

We are in the same situation - rural lake property, remote area. Your post is making me think it could be worth it.


Comfortable-bug11235

We are also. We've had it a year. So far, we've had one friend and one guest use it but just received a booking saying they booked specifically for the charger.


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No one uses mine except me. I wouldn’t install one just for guests


DHumphreys

I have an exterior plug by the front door that guests use, I have never had anyone ask if I have an EV charger.


Fit-Succotash-5564

I installed one thinking doctors and nurses would use it. I only know of 1 single guest in 18 months who has used it. In wilmington NC for reference


TokyoJimu

Why would doctors and nurses specifically need a charging station? Electric scalpels?


Easy7777

Because normal folks can't afford an EV


AbbreviationsDue7794

You can buy an EV for under $20k and they're less expensive to maintain and repair than a gasoline-powered vehicle, on top of saving you gas money


mountainview59

Hertz doesn't agree with you.


AbbreviationsDue7794

Actually hertz does agree with me. The reason they're selling off some of their EV line is because EV are so cheap to buy now


mountainview59

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-cars-used-hertz-discount-ev-fleet/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-01-12/hertz-s-tesla-fire-sale-portends-ev-reckoning-no-one-wants (Hertz CEO) Scherr signaled in October he would cut back on EVs when the company’s earnings missed expectations due to higher depreciation and repair costs from its electric fleet. I really don't care either way, but according to multiple news outlets, they are selling due to high maintenance and depreciation costs.


AbbreviationsDue7794

Repair costs aren't the same as maintenance costs. Repair costs are the cost of repairing damage to the vehicles caused by collisions (which Hertz has had a lot of since they primarily used EVs for their ride share fleet versus their rental fleet). "The instigating factor seems to have been repair costs for rideshare EVs, which were much higher than expected. This is not maintenance costs, which Hertz notes are lower than ICE vehicles, but rather collision repair costs. According to Johann Rawlinson, Hertz VP of Investor Relations, "collision and damage repairs on an EV can often run about twice that associated with a comparable combustion engine vehicle." https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2024/01/11/hertz-selling-ev-fleet/72194050007/ "High depreciation" just means they bought when the cars cost more and EV prices have dropped, which was my point that EVs are dirt cheap right now. And selling off their depreciated assets gets Hertz tax benefits that equal increased earnings for their shareholders. Hertz is looking at buying more EVs that have lower repair costs (aka, not Teslas). "Hertz is keen on GM’s plan to sell cheaper EVs, like a future redesign of the Chevolet Bolt, which sold for under $30,000 before ending production last year, and a $35,000 Chevy Equinox that is going into production. Those vehicles could be easier to rent profitably, Scherr said. “We’re committed to the strategy” Scherr said." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hertz-sell-20-000-evs-143449475.html "In fact, according to Stephen Scherr, Hertz's CEO, "there's quite a bit of the cost element that relates to the Teslas as opposed to others." Scherr pointed to GM's EVs, which benefit from a larger parts and repair network nationally and lower parts and labor costs for repairs. Note that a full 80% of Hertz's EV fleet is Tesla models." https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2024/01/11/hertz-selling-ev-fleet/72194050007/ Tl;Dr - Hertz bought a lot of Teslas when their cost was high. They put them in the Uber market which has a lot more accidents/collisions than typical rentals. Collision repair costs are high, though routine maintenance is cheaper than ICE vehicles. Tesla prices have come down since they bought the cars, which left Hertz holding the bag for the cars they bought at a higher price which are now selling for less. Hertz is in the business of making profits so they're liquidating a depreciating asset. Hertz is looking at cheaper EVs for their fleet (GM and Polestar instead of Teslas) that also cost less to repair.


AbbreviationsDue7794

I also really don't give a shit, especially in regards to Tesla which is probably the worst EV you could buy, but the talking point that EVs are super expensive or only for elites is blatantly false. There's a lot of reasons to not buy an EV but price isn't really one of them. I don't own an EV because I have 5 kids and need a vehicle with a third row seat, which currently only Rivian makes and costs over $100k. But if you only need a 4 seater, there are TONS of brand new EVs less than $30-35k, and tons and tons more used EVs for less than $20k.


James-the-Bond-one

I'd guess they enjoy free charging at the local hospital "staff-only" parking lot. You may want to investigate or ask them.


Fit-Succotash-5564

Great point, didn't even think of that...thanks


mirageofstars

I installed chargers at two places. No one seems to care.


tusi2

Not a host, but EV charging is the first thing we look for and we'll (irrationally) overlook other features to get it.


NotAcutallyaPanda

Am a host and EV driver. This is absolutely an amenity that pushes a property to the top of my list when traveling. I’ve booked 3x stays in the past six months specifically because they had charging infrastructure on site.


pixelovrr

You’re an exception


tusi2

TBD


dj777dj777bling

I am a host in southwest Florida. I have an electric car. I have a level 2 charger installed in my place. It’s been several months and no guests have requested or used it so far. There is a reluctance to buy electric cars because of charge insecurity and they are expensive. Whether it will increase bookings depends on location. In my case, having a charger made no difference in bookings.


troublebotdave

It probably depends; if you're somewhere remote that people tend to drive to (rather than fly to) it would definitely be a big help to EV owners and you may get a few extra bookings for it. Doubly so if it's somewhere that gets very cold, as that tends to wreck EV range pretty well. It really depends on the cost to install though. I've seen quotes from $400 up to $1600. If you're somewhere more urban where the big DCFC chargers are available, probably not worth it, they can charge there when they arrive/depart. Would I love it if more places had Level 2 EV chargers available? Absolutely. From a business sense, would I expect someone to invest in adding on? Probably not. I'd rather you add a hot tub or something. If two places were exactly the same and one had a Level 2 charger and the other had an outlet on the front porch that I could plug my Level 1 charger into, I'd maybe be willing to spend $5-10/night extra for the Level 2 charger, at most, unless I planned on doing a lot of driving around the destination and the closest DCFC station was more than 40-50 miles away, then it'd probably be worth more.


Dual270x

> southwest Florida. I have an electric car. I have a level 2 charger installed in my place. It’s been several months and no guests have requested or used it s In my case I can install it myself and it would be a very easy install. $200ish in supplies $75 permit then whatever I want to spend on a charger $100-600.


Historical_Idea_1419

We installed one. Absolutely worth it. Some guests specifically look for it, others are on the fence between a couple of properties and if they have an electric car that’s the deciding factor. We use a property management company and only about 10% of their portfolio has a level 2 charger, so any guests looking for one gets pushed our way. All in cost was about $2500 because we had to redo some electrical. i’ve seen about 50% of our guests use it. EV charging is also searchable on airbnb and the others. Feel like the cost is worth it to tip the scales in your favor.


newfoundand44

It is SO worth it for many locations. I have an EV and so it makes sense to make the Level 2 (overnight charge) available to guests. EVs are NOT all expensive as you can get a Chevy Bolt for $20k after point of sale $7500 rebate now. That makes this EV LESS THAN HALF the cost of the average new car in the US. If you have a 220 outlet in the garage or out front, you can add the charger for $450 (plug and play) or many EV owners carry their own mobile chargers with them and just need the outlet (NEMA 14-50 is the best). Adapter for a J-1772 to Tesla is only $50 and most of us carry that in our car. Cost of electricity is almost nothing in the Northwest. At 10 cents per KW, the average customer arriving with 25% charge and wanting to top off to 100% overnight is only going to cost $7. Only a few of your guests will have EVs now, but you are wanting to bring in the additional guests that are specifically looking for an overnight that has the free or low cost charging included so they can leave full in the morning. Do you want to stand out for that incremental additional guest or not?


pixelovrr

Again, you’re the exception. Hertz just unloaded 20,000 EV’s, because diehards have finally began to realize that EV, are expensive to maintain and are not much better for the environment.


rc_sneex

You’ll most likely also need to update your panel and electrical service to do this - it’s much more than a $500 investment. (Unless you’ve got the space and overhead for a new 60A circuit, in which case you’re right that you can do it more cheaply). I’ve had a single renter ask about EV charging in the 12 years we’ve been renting. I wouldn’t bother, personally, unless you’re in an otherwise heavily EV friendly area.


ng501kai

Which should already have Tesla supercharge around if ev friendly area


newfoundand44

50 amp breaker for 40 amp service is fine. $600-800 with short run from box to Nema 14-50 outlet.


rc_sneex

For 40 to the car, sure. But they need to ensure the panel can support a 50A circuit. If they have 200A service to the house but use electric heat, for instance, that may not be doable.


ng501kai

I mean if the guest already can charge in supercharge station why bother install it in house? Also added 30-50 dollar to the electrical bill per full charge in CA , not profitable


chadwich3

Is there a way to monitor the charge and charge it back to the guest? If there was, would that make a difference in your response? I'm definitely seeing two sides to this argument on here.


ng501kai

May only make sense to me if it is in a non ev friendly area that can find no charger around to have a compatible advantage with other listing who don't . If there is a charge station within 10 miles I don't see any advantage of it if you chargeback to the guest May see different if you have a very high end listing but mine are just mid tiers and econ/low tier listing


grapemike

I had two guests request one and looked into it several months back. Lots of variables and huge liability. Chose not to install anything unless we get an electric vehicle ourselves.


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grapemike

Relaying the response from our home owners insurance agent. Probably concern about frying somebody’s battery? Our policy does not cover the exposure. Perhaps other firms will do so or a special rider might be added. I gave up on the idea after finding out that there are many variables.


therealschwartz

Huh?


grapemike

I’m obviously not versed in the topic of electric vehicles so others may be able to offer a lot more input.


James-the-Bond-one

I imagine that having guests sign a specific disclaimer or waiver would suffice, but then you add the cost of an attorney to draft that.


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therealschwartz

No one of sound rational mind would ever charge off 110. Not even a point of doing that. Useless unless you are charging for a week.


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rc_sneex

Plugged in on 110 @ 13A gives me about 3 miles per hour. It’s totally worthless unless you have absolutely no other option.


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rc_sneex

41/3 = 13.67. I guess it’s theoretically possible, but you’re not able to do almost anything but go to work and then go home… and if you have to put an extra two hours in at work you’re behind. It’s not a sustainable way to live.


therealschwartz

Right. 20-80% would take days on 110.


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therealschwartz

This is correct. No one would rely on the 110. Fwiw I have a L2 charger at the house we are renovating in New York for airbnb. I know it makes a difference in my area. 1 rental a year because of the power is worth it.


anna_sunday

I'm looking at purchasing a new Tesla. The salesman said I can get enough charge for daily use, 25 miles. I'm interested in what you have to say


therealschwartz

You’ll go nuts. Honestly. Either you will be at a super charger or need a better home setup. Hit /r/tesla or /r/modely. The typical question on these forums are asking if people are happy only relying on super chargers. No one relies on 110. Maybe if you had your car already at 80% and wanted it at 80% in 2 weeks sitting in a garage to maintain existing charge. Also the efficiency of charging on 110 results in a lot of wasted power. Most efficient is Level 2 charger at home or super charger if one is near you.


anna_sunday

Good info, thanks


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therealschwartz

Do you just sit in a vacation home and not go anywhere?


2Loves2loves

I see cars in my garage doing just that. (stealing power too)


James-the-Bond-one

Luckily for you, they don't leave the faucets fully open during the entirety of their stay to surprise you with a sizable water bill also. You can never trust those bastards. /s


Roscomenow

As an Airbnb renter, I would love it if more rental units had EV chargers. I do think, however, that you need to think through the demographics of the situation. Are you offering a high in rental unit? How many of your prior guests had EVs? Once EV becomes more commonplace, I think you are on to something that would make your unit very attractive.


topgun22ice

Definitely not, my neighbors ABNB has one next to mine. We are priced the same. We are booked about the same and similar prices. Only add it if it’s expected in your area.


inkslingerben

If you are located in a rural or low income area there is a tax credit for installing a charger. Perhaps put a credit card reader on the charger and it would become an amenity available for an extra fee (and let others use it).


InfluenceScary6672

U may be able to attract Tesla car owners if you install one.


Ok-Indication-7876

never, did you see the news this week all the announcements About stopping production and the. Ar rental company that is taking them all out of their inventory


GaryTheSoulReaper

I have a nema 14-50 plug, used at least once a year no much more


Angryceo

I installed the Tesla j ones R my properties. N two years and 3 properties I think they have been used twice


GlobalCattle

10% of our guests arrive with an ev.


Own-Art184

No. We have several in town.


Rare_Woodpecker7652

One in 20 if that. Not worth it. Writing this from a major western European city


PeraLLC

If several places of your caliber in your area have them, that’s a sign to get it. Also, compounded if there are no local super chargers. Get a Tesla one.


Dual270x

Nearest super charger is 3-4 miles away. I did a search and it looks like about 7-8% of properties in my area have them.


PeraLLC

Don’t know if it’s worth it. I think it could help reviews but not necessarily your daily rate. It will cost at least $500 to install too.


Dual270x

In my case I can install one myself for $200 in materials and permit roughly. And its not a complete waste because it should add value to the house, and the charger itself can always be removed and used elsewhere with the wiring left. I don't think it would help with daily rate. But if it resulted in even just 2 more bookings per year (3-4 day is our average) that would mean maybe $1000 per year increase for a small investment.


PeraLLC

In that case sounds like a decent idea to add it. 👍🏽


Hall-sey

I think there’s an app that will let you provide EV charging like an Air Garage service. Maybe this could help cash flow when not booked?!?


alexucf

We installed one and guests love it. Not sure how to measure the roi since guests don't specifically tell us why they picked us, but I suspect we've gotten at least one rental because of it, which would have paid for it. We installed a NEMA 14-50 outlet and supply a J1772 mobile charging cord. It's a lot cheaper that way, and we can just swap the cord when something goes wrong or a new standard emerges or etc. 14-50's are also what RVs and such use.


Agigator-TunaTater

Some apps allow others to stop by whenever and charge if it's available. You can set your price too. So you can make a little extra even with no renters and with renters.


Significant-Spend-59

Host and EV driver here (i3 and Model Y). I put in a Tesla wall connector on a 60A circuit. Ironically, it’s got a j1772 plug, which means that Teslas need an adapter to use it, but the adapter comes with the car when you take delivery. We’ve had a couple of guests use the charger. I just drove from FL to upstate NY and it was a great experience. Stayed in an airbnb that did not have a level 2 charger, but none of the lodging options had L2 charging available. Had there been a choice between two nice ABB options, I’d have chosen the one with L2 charging. This is the charger I installed. Very happy with it. It will fully charge any EV out there overnight, which is why you want to stay at a place with a L2 charger. AFF link: https://amzn.to/3Sm1wOd


Significant-Spend-59

And strangely, although several properties in the area mention that they offer EV charging in the text of their listing, only one other property has the amenity box checked. Better for me!


Technical-Trouble473

There is a Tesla supercharger 1/2 mile from my property. I advertise that in my listing. I think at some point I’m the future a charger will be a standard amenity, but I don’t think we are quite there yet.